It’s Journey to X & Y: Generation II week! This time we’ll do a Dae asks. Before you comment, be sure to read this. Anything off-topic posted will be deleted immediately and when you continue to spam when I’m asleep, I will enforce some temporary bans. This also includes asking “What’s your favorite XY Pokémon”, “What types do you think the Gym Leaders will be”, “Who wants to see these mega evolution concepts”,… Those things have been asked a bajillion times already, derail the whole thread and make it harder for people to browse the topic at hand. Use the forums or the chat if you want some speedier conversation.
For this Dae asks we’ll go a bit more general and I want to hear your opinion on the new gameplay mechanics they added to Gold/Silver. This doesn’t mean the stuff they added in Heartgold/Soulsilver, those are technically Gen IV games. Some topics to discuss are:
- Breeding
- Gender
- Babies
- Clock with Day/Night
- Happiness
- Dark/Steel type
- Pokérus
- Held items
- Experience how annoying phones can be with the Pokégear before phones were commonplace
- And finally shinies!
Gold and Silver were quite the shake-up, and I’m curious how you think of them. While generations onwards also provided major changes, I still feel like Gen II introduced stuff that have become so typical for Pokémon, you would even think they were already in Red/Blue.
In other news, I’ve been a bit sick. University has also started again, and I’m busy maintaining my personal relationships. I won’t be very active on the site the coming month, but be sure I’ll try to read the comments as much as I can and I’ll still be active in the staff back-end. We also started pre-production on a prestigious project which we’ll share more information on if we can get it greenlighted in full. It will be something no other major Pokémon site has done and will have lots of involvement from our community. Stay tuned after XY launches, although it has nothing do with those game in particular.
~Daedardus~
I think breeding and gender should have been in the original game. I mean they must have been thought of gender when they created Nidoran F and Nidoran M but there should be some limitations I guess. Nonetheless, since gender differences are introduced in Gen 4 we would still have Nidoran as two different Pokemon.
I’m really excited about this new thing which will have lots of involvement from the community.
And Dae I’ll miss you. (っ˘̩╭╮˘̩)っ
Don’t worry, I won’t be gone for too long. 😉
Have a nice break 😀 Hope you get better.
What?! Where are you going??
Breeding- Well if im honest it’s not something i really used a lot until Gen 3 and even then it was Gen 4 before it became a standard for me.
Gender- Never understood why it wasn’t there in the first place so definitely a needed addition.
Babies- I like the concept of how they can provide their evolved forms with special moves and i feel they make their evolutionary stages seem more realistic.
Day/Night- My favourite mechanic introduced in Gen 2.. it really added that extra something to the world. Just a shame it caused such a distaster for the battery life of the games.
Happiness- I love the idea of it and how your pokemon evolve based on it…i think this one really stemmed from the anime and how levels are not what dictate evolution on it.
Dark/Steel type- Again i love these types..Umbreon is my favourite Eeveelution and these types were very much needed to counteract the ridiculously overpowered Psychic type. Dragon really only just begun to evolve into the powerhouse it became in the second gen so psychic really needed taken down a peg.
Pokérus- I think its an interesting one and i think having a few more disease type ailments would be very interesting…ones that both help and hinder your pokemon in different ways.
Held items- The competitive battling scene would not be what it is today without them so undoubtedly one of the biggest game changers in terms of competitive battling.
Experience how annoying phones can be with the Pokégear before phones were commonplace- meh it didn’t really bug me too much but it wasn’t really a necessary feature. I think the match call in emerald allowing you to rematch gym leaders and such is where this idea became interesting.
And finally shinies!- A nice idea but very few people actually knew about them back in the days of gen 2 simply because they were so rare and the internet was still an infant. The only real clue was red gyarados and even then it didn’t exactly spell it out.
Gold was my first game, so I’m a bit of a biased Gen II fan. Day and night was a magical feature to me as a child; I loved the feeling of being free to wander around in the wild as late as I wanted to. It gave me a sense of excitement, like I was going on a late-night expedition into the wild unknown. I actually ran into a shiny Nidoran male when I was a kid, but since I didn’t know what a shiny was, I figured it was a glitch, so I caught it and let it sit in my PC box for eternity.
To be honest, I didn’t know things like Held Items and Pokerus weren’t in Gen I. That surprises me, because those are both pretty vital gameplay elements.
This is still really great timing since X/Y are essentially Gen II of the Reboot Gens.
Not really about timing sense they are going through each gen and ending with 5
… Eh I guess
I just wish owning a Pokémon as a Baby would boost its power in some way. A Bonus for us who have used them
Like an auto Eviolite?
Yeah possibly, except it keeps the Eviolite effects even as a fully evolved Pokémon
That would be OP though.
Not really.. I mean it doesn’t have to have the Full Eviolite eff but even if it did, Pokémon with baby forms would not be considered OP with a stat boost based on their current stats
Good point. Wynaut, Bonsly, and Mime r. have almost no purpose other than egg moves and encore.
And being cute… haha
There’s that 😛
Saw another person did this, and thought, wow, how smart:
Breeding- In regards to G/S, I probably did use this feature too often, except of course to get Baby Pokemon, but in later games, when I was a little older, I used this so often! I’m so glad GameFreak added it 🙂
Gender- Definitely nice to know the “things” now have genders. Having been playing yellow to hype for X & Y, I can fully appreciate that they get genders now!
Babies- Even if everyone says how awful the Baby Pokemon are, just look at a pichu and tell me you hate it, cause even those who don’t like them have to admit they are adorable!!!
Clock with Day/Night- Just really cool in general, especially since the clock leads to evolving Eevee into Espeon or Umbreon, my favorite Eeveelutions 😀
Happiness- Since they are animals, technically, it’s nice that they were given more “personality” with happiness, it’s kinda like Pikachu in Yellow, but less present.
Dark/Steel type- I L-O-V-E Dark-pokémon, they are the best 🙂
Pokérus- I only every got Pokérus once, so I can’t say I love the feature, but I do like the smile thing they get when it’s gone in later gens, so I guess it’s good they added it..
Held items- I like held items. They are dependable, and useful in a strategy, if you distribute wisely, and so I am glad they got introduced. Thank you GF!
Experience how annoying phones can be with the Pokégear before phones were commonplace- I kinda liked the calls, even if they were a bit too frequent, it was like having really annoying friends who you like because they aren’t real and won’t ever get mad if you don’t answer them (they don’t, right?)
And finally shinies!- I NEVER saw a shiny in Gold and Silver, so i can’t talk about (lie, I forgot about Red Gyarados, but everyone has the chance to catch it so, it’s not really special). Other than that, I like that there are shinies, cause they loooook soooooooooooo nice, so I’m glad they were “invented.”
I dislike how they introduce a feature and nothing useful is explained about it (aka Pokerus). It’s fun and all to try and find out, but not when you can’t see EVs and tell what changed..
Also, the babies (again).
ALL MIGHTY SHINY GOD OF POKEMON ! BLESS US WITH YOUR SHINY CHILDREN ! LOL
I am the Shiny God you speak of. Hear me roar!
Don’t you mean squawk? You’re a bird :p
I can roar if I want to! I am a god!
One of my favorite features, something that didn’t get added to later games, is The Bug Catching Contest. I’m a little biased with Bug being my favorite type, but it was such a fun addition to the game. Tons of cool Bug Pokémon to catch and prizes to win, it was awesome. They also had the Fishing Guru by the Lake of Rage challenge you to catch the biggest Magikarp, almost like a mini fishing contest. I wish they had these contests in the new games, not only is it fun competition but it’s a good way to add tons of extra Bug/Water Pokémon into the mix.
I know right, wasn’t it awesome? When I was 12 I freaking LIVED to win that competition! I was so furious that time I caught a Scyther and some jerk beat me with a Caterpie.
Yeah it was so fun! 🙂 you are right though it seemed rigged sometimes 😛
I think an alternate Mr. Mime gender form should’ve been introduced.
Or a separate Pokemon all together (Mrs. Mime!)
That’s kinda what I meant to say… My mind is off. Make one with better Sp. Attack and the other Sp. Defense
maybe mime jr will go the tyrouge way and evolve into Mrs.Mime if it has higher sp defense than sp attack, and vice versa if you want Mr.Mime
That would actually probably work very well.
Miss Muse
maybe they could give mime jr. another evolution if it is a female (Mrs. Mime as said before) and it could be psychic fairy type
Besides the ones Dae mentioned….there is very significant addition in GSC that hasn’t been mentioned/glanced over.
The Special Defense Stat
Before GSC, there was only a Special Stat which counted for Special Attack and Special Defense. This was why moves like Amnesia were broken….as it was essentially +2 special attack and +2 special defense in ONE turn. Chansey and Alakazam were monsters back in RBY because they essentially had very high special attack and special defense. This split between special attack and special defense brought balance, and began what we now know as competitive pokemon battling.
I actually didn’t know that. I never paid attention to any of that when I played it lol
Yup, forgot that they split them up in Gen II. Thought that was Gen III
I like the day night cycle and that different pokemon appeared at different times of the day. Sad it wasn’t in gen five games. I hope this returns in X and Y, maybe with the seasons too.
Perhaps it had something to do with already having seasons. Maybe both day/night and seasons would have had too many variables for players. Though, I miss seeing pokemon like Hoothoot at night 🙁
Yeah, it really did feel right when zubats were outside at night when I was on a route near a cave.
I’d like to see eggs have unique shell patterns like in the anime
Yes! I had always wanted this, why are they all the same?!
Yeah! What makes Manaphy’s egg so special anyway!?
Gen 2 did have a huge impact on the series. It’s been my favorite so far!
I will be giving a grade (1-10) on how good these additions are 🙂
Breeding (8): I’m glad they introduced it! I also liked how some Pokemon in some games you can only get by breeding however it is a hassle x)
Gender (7): One of the best things they have ever introduced in Pokemon! I usually don’t care if a Pokemon is a specific gender or not (unless it’s a gender difference but that’s in Gen 4) but if my starter is a female, I love it more for some reason! Also if there is a Pokemon that looks more male than female, for example Luxray, than I will try to get that gender.
Babies (9): People say that it is useless, but I usually go for Pokemon that have a 3 stage evolution, so if they add a baby Pokemon to an already 2 stage line, then I will probably add that line to my team.
Clock with Day/Night (9): Love it! I’m more of an aesthetic person, so if they include things like that, then I’m all for it. I also love how in new games, the cities look more like if they are night/day so if they never introduced that mechanic, then the game would look bland imo.
Happiness (7): Also love it! I want to know how much my Pokemon loves me so that is a good addition.
Dark/Steel type (6): Not bad. It adds more technique to Pokemon battles with weakness and strength which is also added with the Fairy type. And I know I speak for everyone when i say, WHERE’S THE DARK TYPE GYM LEADER?! I had this theory that maybe in the “last” Pokemon game the first dark type gym leader would be the main antagonist but then that would mean that Pokemon ends so no.
Pokérus (4): The only times i’ve gotten it was because of cheating. And I’m not a hardcore Pokemon player because I don’t EV train. Idk I just don’t want to waste time making my Pokemon stronger when I just play the games for the story and music not to be the best Pokemon Trainer in the world but that’s just me 🙂 It is a good addition for people who do like to EV train and make their Pokemon stronger I guess.
Held items (7): A good addition. Usually the only times I use held items are when I don’t want to evolve my Pokemon and I don’t want to see the evolution screen only to press B so I give it an Everstone, and yea that’s all I can think of right now lol
Experience how annoying phones can be with the Pokégear before phones were commonplace (4): I love how people get mad at youngster Joey and his “OMG My Rattata has moer Sw4g dan any1 lolz” It wasn’t a big deal for me though but I love how after this they introduced more communication devices.
Shiny Pokemon (9): LOVE. It’s pretty hard to get one and when you find one you get so excited that you drop your ds and the game turns off. But in all seriousness, I’m not a big fan of the colors, but I think that shiny Pokemon aren’t even about the color, it’s about how rare they are. And when you finally find one you want it more than an event legendary Pokemon. 🙂
I should have rated mine on a 1-10 scale…
Shinies: 9/10 (it’d get 10 if they were a tad bit easier to find)
Phones: 7/10 (a fun novelty that I was okay with)
Held Items: 9/10 (Great, but some are broken)
Pokerus: 9/10 (Great, optional thing for those who want it, and it’d earn 10 if it was a bit more accessible.
New types: 10/10 long run, 5/10 in Gen II (inaccessible in the main game)
Happiness: 1/10 (Sure, I love my Pokemon, but I don’t want to waste time pampering it).
Time: 10/10 (Amazing touch)
Babies: 9/10 (Useless, but so cute!)
Breeding: 10/10 (has kept fans happy for years)
Gender: 9/10 (It’d earn 10 for better female rates and getting rid of Male Gardevoir and Loppuny)
Don’t forget the female Mr. Mime.
Mr. Mime’s original name is Barrierd, and it has no bearing on gender. Meanwhile, other pokemon do have masculine names in their Japanese names–Slaking (Kekking), Seaking (Azumao), Slowking (Yadoking).
Am I the only one that actually liked the Pokegear phone
Breeding is probably the thing I used the most, it let breed Pokemon to give to my friends( I still do this!).
Hold Items are the closest thing Pokemon has to equipment. It might be the most important battle mechanic introduced, even though it wasn’t until the next Gens when items were good.
Dark and Steel opened the door to give us good Pokemon, but there weren’t enough Dark or Steel attacks at the time to stop Psychic types completely. But I thought it was cool that Steel was weak to Fire.
Gender and Shinies were cool, they gave Pokemon personal touches that I would appreciate later. There’s a lot of shinies I don’t care about, though.
Speaking of personal touches, I liked the Pokegear. I liked the rare Pokemon swarm calls, but mostly I enjoyed the random chit-chat from trainers. (I don’t remember Joey or his Rattata at all, though)
Breeding
Gender
Babies
Clock with Day/Night
Happiness
Dark/Steel type
Pokérus
Held items
Experience how annoying phones can be with the Pokégear before phones were commonplace
And finally shinies!
What about them?
*What
Cool story Mister Froaks
Very interesting indeed
Will you guys post an article about your project hinting at what it might be if it gets greenlighted? Can’t wait to see what it is! (^.^)/
Also, who greenlights it? O.O
Me.
Have you done it yet? :p I want to know what it is ^^
No, and it’s a secret right now. I’ll greenlight it eventually, but not now. Not with X and Y around the corner.
🙁 oh ok. (˚.˚) I’ll be waiting
We greenlight it ourselves. We have to make sure we can do it.
They’re staging a rebellion to overthrow the government. Once they have claimed leadership positions in all of the world’s capitol positions, they will rule that Pokemon is the International Sport and all Pokemon Trainers must be hailed as heroes.
Oh very interesting :p I like it >:D
Damn it Bulba, you stole my thunder! XD
what are you talking about?.-.
So far I’ve encountered pokerus three times in three different games and caught three legit shinies (trapinch, psyduck, purrloin) in three different games, but I’ve never evolved a pokemon through happiness that didn’t take FOREVER. I’m not a fan of happiness evolutions, and I’m really not a fan of time-oriented happiness evolutions (looking at you, budew).
don’t you mean Bunneary? That thing has a happiness level of 0
Buneary is the bane of my existence.
I entirely forgot about Budew. Just like Glameow and Purugly, it has passed my mind. Actually…I kind of want to hunt for a shiny Glameow. Be right back.
I’ve never caught a Pokemon with Pokerus, but I’ve received several Pokemon on Wi-Fi that have had it.
I don’t know if this is exactly on-topic, but do you think we could create a JungleTalk article where we share our favorite music from the series? It would be a major hype build-up machine of ultimate splendor.
Could be a good idea 🙂
Hooray! 😀 A maybe is good enough for me.
I really REALLY like this idea!
Is glow punch a fairy move?
Nobody knows. Some think yes. Some think no. Some think maybe. We’ll need the game on our hands first.
We don’t know. No one except GF does. Hate to break it to you, but this is a Gen II article. You don’t want Dae banning you 😉
Why aren’t Apricots on that list? They allowed us to created many different types of Pokéballs to use in different situations. I also love all their designs.
Speakin’ of Pokéballs…
I really like using different styles of Pokéballs to catch Pokémon. Something that maybe matches they’re color or type. I also loved the seals in introduced in Gen 4. They were a nice, personalized aesthetic touch that brought style to the battlefield.
I really hope and wish that Pokémon X & Y can not
only allow us to customize our character’s outfit, but also personalize the way be bring out our Pokémon,
too! Maybe bring back seals or, even better, allow Pokéballs to be customizable! From the way they look to the effect that takes place when a Pokémon pops out! The ball itself could be a new type of Pokéball called a… Custom Ball or… a Fashion Ball!
I like the way you think. We could do business in my fifth-dimensional laboratory.
I remembered them five minutes after I posted the article. Didn’t want to bother editing them in, someone would mention them regardless, as you did 😉
I did like the box glitch tho, easiest way to clone Eevee to get both Umbreon and Espeon on my team plus cloning a Rare Candy/Master Ball
So, are the gottacatchemall sweepstakes week one results coming up today? I believe the entry rules said that there would be a drawing on the 23rd. If so, good luck PJ’ers. I hope one of us wins after our team effort to find all of the codes within an hour.