We are getting close to Pokémon Sun & Moon’s release and will be using our spoiler image more often to warn people about information they may not want to see.
Today’s post is about the Chinese Riddler who has recently teased information about the evolution of Salandit, one of the Pokémon revealed this summer. They have said that it will relate to one of four characters: a kyūbi (9-tailed fox), Cleopatra, the gorgons or a siren. The below image was included in his post:
In the description of Salandit, many fans noticed that it mentioned females being able to produce pheromones capable of attracting males of any species, Pokémon and human alike.
See any resemblance to one of those in its appearance or lore? Post your sleuthing and theories down in the comments!
In addition they stated that we do not know everything about the Alolan starters, even after seeing their second evolutions and the leaked third stages. Mysterious!
Does this mean corocoro will reveal the evo of salandit maybe? I think they will pull out the stops for her evo (i;m guessing female only evo)
I still think you guys read WAY too hard into pokedex flavor text
All its saying is that Salandit produce toxic gasses with its tail but Females also contain pheromones which any female/male species can produce, it’s just working into the theme that this tiny lizard isn’t very strong and uses its cunning to turn the tide of battle
But like always you’re all jumping to conclusions and believing anything anyone says just because he’s been floating around saying junk, gullible lot
Ian stop using cliche’d terms like “turn the tide of…”
To be a good writer you should try to be more original smh 🙂
stop focusing on that one stupid idiom you eeediot
and focus on the more important issue, namely everyone’s collective gullibility
No i like focusing on you >.>
creep
That is kind of creepy to be honest
You just don’t want another feminine Pokemon. I see right through it!
i am pro-feminine Salandit solely because i easily see Jessie catching one
but i don’t trust or believe the riddler
Maybe it’s evolution is a handbag and all these women have one? The female ones evolve into handbags with perfume in 😛
or just a bigger lizard with a grotesque boil on its back filled with poisonous gasses that when threatened it erupts with flammable poisons and sets the whole place on fire
like them Japanese burglar sacks
I’d like that, it keeps with the bandit theme nicely. This is my issue with the ‘riddle’, it is difficult to interpret it in a way that coincides with that theme. Beyond luring and trapping of course.
then stop thinking about the riddle
this guy does nothing but guess
Well it’s what the article is about is all :/
Everybody always feels like they’re being clever looking for clues where there are none…leave them to it.
Man, if you believed everything the Pokedex flavor text says, Cubones would be extinct in a few generations, Espurrs would be accidentally grinding trucks into dust all the time, no one could train a Slugma or Magcargo since they couldn’t touch them, etc. If 5 Pokemon sneezed at the same time, it’d destroy a continent.
also Kingdra can create whirlpools simply by yawning
not only could they not train a slugma/magcargo, their very existence would destroy our planet. seriously, gamefreak did not do their research on how hot those 2 can get.
Dont hate me (rf) https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/b2d3493370f1e266cc6488839d048c1e33876598e51706f1cc0ef5951c6635ef.png
How do you have the demo to download already??
It’s faked I think.
I guess we’ll see Friday? Unless the icon for the demo is already viewable on the eshop
What happens Friday?
the next scheduled Info release
though it could be a trailer summarizing what previewed what corocoro leaked which could drop any time this week
Yeah, but what does that have to do with the demo? It’s not like the trailer coming out on Friday will have any effect on whether the demo gets hacked or not. We’ll still need to wait until the demo comes out to actually see it.
the demo is next tues
there is absolutely nothing about the demo in any of these info drops
Isnt the demo released on friday?
No, the demo’s due on the 18th.
Oh wow I got the day mixed up. Friday is the day we’re getting new info right? Or is that the 18th as well .-.
I don’t think there is anything happening Friday, but I could be wrong, I’ve been out of the loop for a day or two.
Nope it comes out on the 18th. The next trailer comes out on Friday tho
Sunny’s right, I was just too lazy to search before:
http://nintendoeverything.com/next-pokemon-sunmoon-news-update-scheduled-for-october-14/
It’s not fake. Someone hacked into the store and found it. It’s heavily encrypted though and maybe just an empty placeholder. They are trying to crack it but they’d have to be insanely lucky.
In theory couldn’t the same be done with the game itself closer to release? Not like it’ll matter then anyway, but that’d be interesting.
Oh please. Lol sure you can start the download, but without the proper key you won’t be able to finish the download let alone play lol
Tears in my eyes pal. Currently leveling my Dartrix on route 2. Just killed a Cutiefly and caught Vikavolt. Also wrecked Hala and Tapu Koko with Ash-Greninja.
Somebody waste this fool
That’s some weird demo. You can kill Pokémon? Is this a new Sun & Moon feature?
Also why is your 3DS in French when you’re from another European country that doesn’t speak French?
/s nice try, son.
Yeah that image has been floating around the internet for a while so…
Wow you actually hacked is Pikipek Evo there?
Yes its called Drillme
It’s time to stop.
Gotta picture by any chance?
Lol are you not getting the joke?
im hollering
who’s up for a 6vs6 double battle ?
I’m surprised he didn’t use a picture of poison ivy.
Just descovered something…
Doesn’t it occur to any of you that Litten’s final evolution has it’s mane-like appendages similar to the leader of Team Flare’s hairdo in X and Y?
Yeah kinda like Cynthia has those aura ornaments similar to Lucario’s but colored as Umbreon’s ears.
Makes you think doesn’t it?
Lmao savage (rf) https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/d33cd55efbd897277605e2f9dce8a98889cd0920f0114f67644123da831b561c.jpg
yeah
Don’t even think about sharing this is completely fake. http://i.4cdn.org/vp/1476025116602.jpg
It’s cool except for the legs.
The legs and the colors though.
this seriously looks like it could be the male version of popplios final evo. Looks legit good but we’ll see
Sadly it’s way too badly put together to be genuine. Which is a shame because I like the design.
The obvious flaw isn’t the colouring or the way it’s drawn, it’s in the jpeg artifacts.
It’s obvious (well to me at least, I’m a programmer so I have to know about images and compression and stuff) that the confidential, numbers and data have been taken from the leeks already provided and put next to some art in an editor, then saved as a jpeg.
Jpegs naturally cause image degredation because of their compression algorithm (they were designed for photos, not drawn images) and in this case the quality degredation of the character doesn’t match that of the parts taken from the leeked images. If this was legit, the image degredation would be uniform across the image.
Shingo Fujii is confirmed to be one of the animators to work on the Sun and Moon anime. For me personally, this settles it. Will definitely be watching it now. Ridiculously talented animator. For those who dont know him, watch Precure and Sakugabooru.
you can have good animation, but is the writing good? the writing can make or break a movie no matter how good its animation is. look at wonderful animators like Pixar or Studio Ghibli, all wonderfully animated movies, but some of them are just plain awful. The pokemon anime has a history of being awful not because of its animation, but because the plot is pretty much non-existent, and there’s so much filler.
So I found something on Reddit about the demo situation, and people are saying that it’d be extremely hard to datamine; is this true or just speculation?
Sure GF have learned from what happened with ORAS.
I mean not just in general, it has something to do with not being able to play the demo despite having downloaded it.
Vastly oversimplifying it, but basically you need a key in order to play the demo that will be placed in the code once its released. At this point hackers have to run a program to constantly insert different random keys until it unlocks, which will take some time. By their own addition it might take longer for them to find the key then simply waiting for the demo to release.
At that point though, we don’t know how easy it’ll be to data mine it. We’ll just have to wait and see.
“some time” – potentially until Gen 12 is released.
18446744073709551616 * 18446744073709551616 possible keys (the calculator goes into scientific notation trying to calculate that, which basically means it’s really big. Imagine the number 3 with about 38 zeroes after it)
That’s assuming they’re just brute forcing it though, and not using more sophisticated techniques, like precomputed lookup tables (though that would take a very large database, so it would still be slow, but much quicker than brute forcing). That said, if there was a squad of them and they divided up the key ranges, they could increase their odds significantly.
Remember when they said the 3DS was impossible to hack
Lol. Good times
In fairness it took a few years, which is better than some consoles.
I don’t deny it had good security, but from my experience it’s never impossible…
It’s definitely not impossible, but highly unlikely given the amount of time they have to do it.
Possibly. Guess we will have to wait and see.
It never ever will be as far as consoles are concerned.
As soon as the hardware is known, people will start working on interfaces and HW sniffing devices.
If any of the software is open source, people will start scanning for security holes (there’s a saying “where there’s a webkit, there’s a way”).
Sometimes individual games provide holes.
All security (even those protecting people’s bank balances) aren’t designed to stop hackers, only to slow them down.
The only reason modern encryption works is because it slows hackers down to the point where it’s faster to wait for technology to improve than it is to brute force it. There are other techniques (e.g. rainbow tables) but even those have their limitations.
More info: it has a 128-bit lock on it; which doesn’t mean much to me other than they’d have to get a divine amount of luck to crack that.
Assuming by that they mean it’s using a 128-bit key for encryption then that means there are 18446744073709551616 * 18446744073709551616 possible keys.
So attempting to manually crack it would be virtually impossible assuming they didn’t just get lucky.
Yeah, my thoughts exactly other than I didn’t really know the numbers. My question is this: is this key only for playing the demo early or will they have the same issue with dataming?
I’m presuming at the moment it’s just until the game is released, keeping the whole demo encrypted would slow the game down somewhat (encryption algorithms are designed to be relatively slow on purpose) and the data (including game code) would have to be decrypted before being loaded into ram, after which it would be nakedly observable in RAM, so it would still be possible to modify the RAM contents in an attempt to trick the game into reading data that should be hidden (i.e. non-visible pokedex entries) or unlocking more (i.e. making the game think the player has completed the pokedex).
So ultimately the only true way to stop them hacking is to load the pokedex with false data (e.g. 80-odd copies of missingno’s entry) or wipe it as much as possible. That way if they hack in, they just get useless stuff and not genuine data.
(It’s becoming one of my catchphrases by this point: programmers gotta know this stuff :P)
Hmm, that’s dissapointing. I was hoping I wouldn’t have to avoid spoilers for so long.
It’s still too soon to say.
I’m hoping there will be some people who start attempting it just to see if it’s possible, but the challenge is knowing where they’ll report their findings if they do decide to report them.
Basically if it is hackable, hope the white hats get to it first.
White hats?
White hat hacking – hacking for ethical reasons, i.e. to test how vulnerable something is with the intention of warning people if it’s not secure, e.g. finding out there’s a way to hack the demo and telling people there’s a flaw but not what it is or any of the data (or maybe just a small snippit to prove they’re telling the truth)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_hat_(computer_security)
Black hat hacking – hacking for unethical reasons, e.g. hacking the data and then anonymously posting it everywhere
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_hat
I’m inclined to believe them, but I think it’s still mostly speculation.
I don’t have much faith in the guys in charge, but I have faith that the programmers will have protested after last time (in fact I’m pretty sure they would have complained before the original demo and got ignored) that the demo needs better protection against reverse engineering.
This is GF we’re talking about here. I mean things could’ve changed but still. xD
When it comes to game dev, there’s the programmers and the the managers. The programmers usually know their stuff but they have to convince the managers something is a good idea, and more importantly, that it’s cost effective. Managers tend to know sod all about programming, so they tend to err on the side of what achives visible results. Protecting against hackers isn’t really a visible result, so they usually ignore it until it’s too late.
Hence why many companies end up getting hacked – managers don’t think encryption is worth the time and effort it takes to put in place.
Hmm, learn something new every day.
I’m probably slightly bias, but I’ve heard many horror stories on Stack Overflow and other programming websites.
The “Pointy Haired Boss” trope and Dilbert comics do exist for a reason though. I would assume Japanese managers are a bit more understanding and level headed, but that might be wishful thinking.
The exact number of possible keys for an 128-bit key encryption algorithm is 340282366920938463463374607431768211456.
Assuming a hacker could try 1 key every millisecond, it would take them 340282366920938463463374607431768211.456 seconds, which is about 10790283070000000000000000000 years, to brute force the demo open 9 days early.
(Again, assuming they don’t try something more sophisticated like a dictionary attack.)
I had no idea it was this hard to crack. Wow. . .
That’s just brute forcing though, there are other techniques that could speed it up, but even those have their limitations.
Also if they’ve implemented the algorithm incorrectly it could be game over. But hopefully they’ve done it properly.
i stopped reading after “The”
Just remember, this is the sort of stuff that’s supposed to be underpinning our banks and businesses, if people don’t apply the pressure to make sure businesses are using this stuff, we’ll have a lot more incidents like when yahoo and showdown got hacked.
Pretty sute any hacker worth a damn doesn’t just brute force. But still interesting to know.
But this is just the key to activate the demo right, nothing to do with being able to data mine once the demo is downloaded? Or am I mistaken?
Either way, I would like some data mined info before the game releases but wouldn’t be the end of the world of it doesn’t happen. I’m adaptable.
Should just be for activating early.
No, but it’s the base case. Anything more sophisticated would require explaining the technique and why it works, which really would send people to sleep.
As far as I know it’s just protecting the demo until the 18th. I’m just hearing stuff about what they’re doing via word of mouth. (You might want to read some of my other comments, I’ve gone into a few of the possible things they might be doing and some things they can’t.)
It depends on what they’ve done, we still don’t know anything about what the game will look like after it’s been ‘unlocked’, again, I’ve mentioned a few possibilities below in reply to Ithsme.
Man it would be so good to know this stuff, but I never had an interest in it when I was younger.
I know it’s never too late to learn, but I’m seriosuly lazy. I tried to learn some programming over the summer, but I never had the time to get into it properly.
4-5 years ago I didn’t know the difference between a megabyte or a gigabyte and couldn’t identify any computer components. Now I have experience with about 10-15 languages and I’m pretty good with 3-5 of them 😛
It is indeed never too late to learn.
Personally I recommend C# as a first language, but different people prefer different types of languages. If you’re more mathematically inclined you might get on better with Haskell for instance, or if you’re confident with knowing how hardware works, jump straight to C++. A lot of the younger programmers prefer scripting languages like Python because they prefer stuff being easy to throw together rather than thinking about robustness or longevity.
Starting with C++, I’m having a hard time learning C#.
Modern C++11 with smart pointers and the standard library instead of raw pointers and dynamically allocated memory I hope.
Weird though, usually people prefer C# because it’s nice and safe and you don’t have to do your own memory management (at all).
Somebody say brute force?
My forte’
Brute force is the least complicated (but most time consuming) way, so try again buck-o
I don’t really want to have to try to explain the more sophisticated methods to people, it will only raise more questions like “how does the dictionary work” or “what’s a hash” or how they get the dictionary in the first place or why it’s considered more sophisticated and why it’s more likely to work etc.
Nah dw that was just my subtle way of saying I do programming too 😀
In fact I just started encryption coding so this was coincidental to see
Which languages do you prefer using/have experience with?
I’ve never attempted to implement an encryption algorithm myself. Partly because they’re usually available in library form (e.g. in C# they’re built into the main library) but partly because I usually get about 15% of the way through the explanation of the process and fall asleep because of the amount of maths involved. Too many primes and too much modular arithmetic.
C++ is what I’m doing but last semester we used java in a project (but I didnt bother to take part in the coding part for my group) and this semester I have a project where I have to use python so I gotta learn that by myself.
C++ is good, but very deep and hard to use right. Most tutorials are pretty old so they teach stuff using raw pointers instead of the nice modern smart pointers.
Java is usuable (I made a little game for college with semi-realistic physics with it) but very limited becase of type erasure, the way it forces people to declare what exceptions are throwable, and the required ‘one file per class’ nonsense.
I’ve never really liked python much. I’ve never really written anything major in it, but I dabbled a bit with Iron Python and read an O’Reilly book about it and it never really took my fancy. I prefer Lua as a scripting language.
Well if C++ is raw then I think that’s the point. I’m doin computer eng so it’s make sense for me to learn the oldest way in case systems in the workplace are old.
Fair enough, I’d hope nothing would be older than Win XP though. Really you only need particularly low level stuff for assembly-level optimisation or for writing device drivers or interacting with hardware (e.g. via OpenGL).
I worry that there might still be some systems running on COBOL out there 😛
Okay idk what youre babbling about. All I know is C++ lol.
COBOL’s kind of like the SQL of yester-year. It was made in 1959 and it better off forgotten 😛
hash is a very bad drug to stay away from 😉 nah, messing with you.i mean, it is bad, but i know what you’re talking about 🙂
Hash is also bad if it’s MD5.
But that’s that’s not the kind of hash you’d use for a lookup table 😛
This is what the little paper clip guy from Word does now.
Hack computers or inform people about hacking?
I think my ramblings about cryptography killed the conversation…
; n ;
Nah, I just went to eat lunch. xD
The insight is interesting though. I have no knowledge of decryption or hacking
Rf I’m a suburban player and this is like heaven to me https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/b31eb42e13a839f643f989a47aead23637bccaa97d0b797247ecf6446c006b4e.png
Yeh pretty much the same for me.
The most exciting spawn I get is 2 pidgeys together
My best spawns sometimes near my house are Gastly and Jigglypuff and 100% of the time near a company called Merck I pass on my way to and from school a Jynx appears everyday
You mean the Pokestops right? I can relate. There’s no Pokestops within my one mile radius. The closest one is 1.6 miles away from my house. I did find out that a different park that I go to is an Onix nest tho
I had dream about new trailer last night it start with ” introducing Scarface pokemon” …but somenoe wake me up Urrrrrrrrrrrgh.
least its better then night terrors
Scarface is also a batman villain.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CuVu6euXgAAArae.jpg
http://img.memecdn.com/smeargle_o_259941.jpg
That poor innocent little Jigglypuff.
Does anyone have a guts shinx? I have some 5IV Gible and I’m pretty sure I also have a few 5IV charmander and *maybe* a Lapras
I can catch you a Luxray in Friend Safari if you like? Let me know what Ball you want it in and Nature. I’d like a Thunder or Shiny Stone in exchange if that’s OK?
If you would that would be great :3
i have a guts
That’s okay, Monkeyfuzz is helping me out. Unless they would rather pass the burden onto you xD
eh i had it ready for whenever, its just sitting in the daycare mating with my ditto
Would an Adamant in a Quick Ball be OK?
Yeah, I’m not picky on the ball.
OK, I need to finish hatching this batch of eggs and then I’ll go Synchro catch it.
By the way it’s Luxio, not Luxray, I forgot.
No prob
I caught one but it’s Lonely :/
It’s not a big deal! I forget which nature I’m going for anyway
Jolly or Adamant I think are best. I bred Shinx recently, how about I trade you one of those with it, it has 4 Egg moves on it and I marked it’s IV’s.
FC: 0748 – 2744 – 4660 IGN: James
Okay, whatever is easier for you.
My FC: 0173-1523-2707 Kris
Do you want Gible or Charmander? I can only offer boy charmanders and boy gibles, unless your 5IV gible has sand veil instead of rough skin
Not really, do you have any evolution stones?
I should, let me see. Do you have a pref which stone?
Thunder or Shiny, maybe Dusk if you don’t have those.
I have a bunch of thunder. Is Gible alright to attach it to or do you want something else?
Whatever you don’t need. I’ll be trading you both the Guts Luxio and Bred Shinx.
Okie dokie. Do you want two thunderstones or a thunder and a shiny?
Either will be fine. I am online in game now, so whenever you’re ready.
Moon ball? Very interesting
Yeah, caught in Heart Gold with Sinnoh Sound.
Nice! Thanks!!
Sure, enjoy, I hope they help you get what you want 🙂
Unless the female 5IV Gible you want** is a better way to phrase it lol
Quick Ball is soooooooo fugly
the only Pokemon that compliments the scheme is Manetric
Luxray has pretty similar colours, just darker.
Luxury ball is best ball for Luxray imo
Why so?
Probably because of the Lux root word lol
Oh yeah 😉
idk it just fits it
Sometimes that’s just the way it is I guess 🙂
T_T
*Handgun fire*
What would you go for, Ultra?
And Manectric is also ugly
my seed Gible?
thanks for reminding me that you owe me something from SM
but speaking of SM i really want to test my Bulk Up Mudsdale Build
Impish, Stamina 252HP/4Atk/252 Def
[Sitrus Berry]
High Horsepower/Earthquake
Stone Edge/Stealth Rock
Bulk Up
Toxic…..
solely a Physical brunter, (perfect for a Fake Out cushion)
Leads with Bulk Up, takes the Physical Attack, Defense doubled and attack up, Sitrus Berry to get it back to optimal levels and powerful Earthquakes and or Stone Edge while absorbing attacks, best paired with Storm Drain and a Sap Sipper
Here’s hoping it has the stats to back that strategy up. I wouldn’t mind using it myself. Gastrodon could work well with it, it can recover from it’s Earthquake and has Storm Drain.
then run it with High Horsepower
Do we know the details on that move, like accuracy, power etc?
I’m gestimating
90-120-130 Damage but with an 85% Acc
Could be a recoil move, though I hope not.
Haha not exactly your Gible, but one of its descendants for sure. Although it lost the egg moves along the way. Couldn’t quite be helped.
Sounds like a solid moveset for Mudsdale though..bulk up would be good on it although hopefully its sp. def isn’t abysmal.
it most likely will be
We Ground Types aren’t too well built in the whole Special defense
Hell the highest one is 120 with Claydol and that (and all psychics nowadays) fear the ever common Knock off
So be prepared that Mudsdale won’t be trotting if hit by a Scald, Energy Ball or Ice Beam
guts luxio in a luxury ball
its female too
Hm..maybe I’ll take that one as well. I need to get rid of a bunch of these gibles anyway
ill break my chain rn for vulpix give me a moment
No you don’t have to do that for me haha
just did, it broke 7 times i dont really mind now XD
Well I appreciate it lol
plus i like gible i can use it for MM method
I also have Charmander if you want
hm ill take the charmander
2638-2631-7151 if u dont have me
What’s your gamer name
Matt
Okay, I don’t think we’re friends.
I’m: 0173-1523-2707
Also, my charmanders are all boys but it’s 5IV modest, is that okay?
yea its fine. i got you ur tag says bow to ultron
Hehe yes
im ready whenever u log on lol
thank u i might MM for a charmander now
Thank you too! I was kinda hoping I’d get a shiny charmander as I was searching for a 5-6 IV one but no luck. I did get a shiny 5IV gible though. I might try later for a shiny charmy. I have a good name for it
I want vulpix so bad but like i have no luck chaining it lol
Shiny Ninetails is pretty cool…
yea and I have no luck at all
Well may the odds be ever in your favor.
thank u so much
Chaining as in DexNav? If so, most people say the chains don’t necessarily matter, as the chance is applied just by using it. People just chain cause it makes it easier to find it when you search again.
Hopefully you’ll find your pretty shiny Vulpix (I got mine when I was trying to Horde for Meditite…like it took so long to find my red meditite, I kept getting Shuppets, and I got one other shiny vulpix before meditite showed up)
thats true its easier to like hunt just one mon.
Yeah, I chain myself for that reason, however, I’m not peeved if I break my chain like I did before I knew the chains didn’t matter.
i only get mad if i know i messed up on my own
I accidentally got a Shiny Chimecho, Vulpix (Male) and Meditite on top of Mt.Pyre all in the space of an hour, that was a cool day 🙂
Nice <3 I wish I had all the time to shiny hunt xD but school's important. I do shiny hunt on my time off though :3
I was only looking for a good Flash Fire Hypnosis Vulpix to help SR Groudon with, that actually took longer than finding those 3 XD
Wow, that’s crazy xD reminds me of my first Dexnav shiny which was Buneary. I was trying to breed for my first comp mon, a Mega Lopunny, and I needed to find a breeding pair of Bunearys so I could get started. After I got one of them with an egg move I wanted, I looked for a male with good IVs to breed it with, and on the beginning of the chain, I found a pink one and screamed. I had no idea at the time that Dexnav had increased odds at all, so I was pretty excited.
I accidentally MM’d a Shiny Buneary, yay for Pink Fluff Bunnies 😀
same, but with Swinub xD
lucky ducky eh
Haha, yeah. Good Luck finding your Shiny Vulpix 🙂
when do the corocoro scans usually leak?
they could leak anywhere between the 10th-14th
I have a feeling it will be Tuesday, not sure why.
the 11th has been pretty consistent for leaks, so that might be why.
Oh yeah, maybe :3
Likely anytime starting tomorrow.
I kinda wish that poke balls had quick time events to increase chance of capture. I guess the games are easy enough as is so idk
If they were gonna introduce that, they should’ve done it in Sinnoh
Why sinnoh specifically? Because touch screen?
Because it had a nice level of difficulty which could be sprinkled with extra hidden things for more fun
Hmm, better late than never I guess.
That’d be cool yet infuriating.
They could make Up+B or any of those button combos work but the comonation changes on save file
i just want some new Pokeball looks
they ruined my favorite ball
Which one is that? I would like some kind of Fire specialty Ball and maybe one that can catch Pokémon using Dig or Fly.
they changed Safari Balls
from this sexy look
http://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/pokemon/images/4/46/Safari_Ball.png/revision/latest?cb=20110615101341
to this horrid mess
http://cdn.bulbagarden.net/upload/1/15/Dream_Safari_Ball_Sprite.png
Oh yeah, I do prefer the first one. I thought you’d like the Heavy Ball most.
Ehhh i don ‘t like the scheme
but that was the only thing you got Rhyhorn in back in the day
I’d like all of the Pokéballs to be able to be bought in Gen 7, like with Festival Coins or something. They also changed the Lure ball between games, one of my favourites.
Art style changes.
*tries not to look at SM Anime vs XYZ Anime*
I originally thought Timer Ball did this, before I read what it actually does.
2lazy4that
I feel like it would be helpful if you could set search parameters the in PC for nature, egg group, and number of IV’s..is that too much to ask?
maybe IV’s would be a little unrealistic, but nature and egg group i would think would be really easy to add
you can already search for abilities and natures
Can you?
duh, just hit that there lil magnifying glass
I need to check that out
Or maybe having the PC organize your pokemon based on a parameter you want like in my case, I always organize by type.
But this Pokepelago thing changes even the classic pokemon storage function so I’m curious to see how those mini games in pokepelago are gonna work when youre storing 3000+ pokemon lol
what about pokemon cramming, like set natures, ability, types
What do you mean by pokemon cramming?
(Totally stealing this from the equipment manager from wow)
EX: like you set Pokebox #1 to only hold pokemon with the Adamant Nature, and it pools all pokemon of an adamant nature in there
Well that’s what I described. I just gave an example with type instead of natures.
If you mark IV’s like I did to the Shinx I traded you you can also search by markings. Though for some reason in Pokébank it only lets you search one mark at a time.
I need to be more knowledgable about that stuff lol. I didn’t even know you could mark pokemon
Well they are the shapes next to the blue pentagon, many people use them to mark IV’s. Circle = HP, Triangle = Attack, Square = Defense, Heart = Special Attack, Star = Special Defense and Diamond/Rhombus = Speed. You mark them using the PC. If they are grey then that means the stat isn’t 31 IV.
Oh that’s pretty nifty.
Pokebank is silly, there’s no reason you couldn’t search for an exact set of markings, it’s a really cheap CPU operation.
I know, it makes it much more difficult. I end up just searching for another thing I know the ‘mon has.
I tend to group all my 5IV pokemon together.
Found this on reddit: http://i.imgur.com/hfVpFCg.png
It’s certainly an interesting coincidence to say the least.
Bruh…
IT ALL COMES TOGETHERRRRRRRR
The aqua part makes it suspicious. It’s not just generic “aura”, which would’ve been just as easy to say.
Extreme foreshadowing right there
Shauntal is the best give her more plot
Always watch for the plot
Here’s a sketch I drew of a person to practice for the picture. It’s Ithsme. This is just a sketch. The actual thing will be all of us, it’ll be digital and it’ll be in color with more details (refresh) https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/713cb178be8c1128234a15e32d9d8684372f6cee1ff5f77591b56b202406160c.jpg
Also the facial features are not final.
:O I’m so honored to be chosen! :’) Great job, I love the hoodie!
For what picture?
The Pokejungle Family Portrait. I have a survey for you to fill out on the Forums if you’re interested.
0_0
But how do you know how we look?
Questions that are not too personal. Just eye color, ethnicity, clothing, gender and hair color.
I identify as an attack helicopter
no
NO?! TRIGGERED!!!!!!!!!!
Don’t you think that’s a little sexist, Star?
I don’t think I should really get into it. I shouldn’t have said anything in the first place
Yeah. Leave Apache Attack Helicopters alone
Apache makes helicopters?
I thought they just did HTTP servers?
No. It’s real name is the Boeing (random numbers and letters) Apache
Only kidding, I know about them.
They’re one of the reasons some of our helicopter factories are having to close.
; n ;
Same
Noctowl used Foresight.
Nickerton was identified.
Noctowl used Tackle.
Noctowl was actually my favourite pokemon back in the day, not counting starters
My brother “Sexually identifies as a fern” his go-to quip
That means he is the only plant that uses spores, yes?
“A fern is a member of a group of about 10,560 known extant species[3] of vascular plants that reproduce via spores and have neither seeds nor flowers.”
‘Only’ is pushing it.
Fine. ONE of the only
Incredibly clever
Clever but very very stupid
I mean last night he went overboard on the drinking and was relching his everloving guts out
High Charisma
Low Constitution
An extinct fern?
Don’t mention gender, we don’t want another Beldum incident.
Moving won’t be happy.
Oh yeah…
I think we were far from that, no need for the warning. . . Well, at least not yet.
I like the stye!
Ok constructive criticism: Start out by drawing a skeleton, like, a stick figure for more accurate limbs. I guess that’s hard to explain via text
But seriously I love it! Really cute!
Yeah. I know what you mean. I usually do the little skeleton stick thin line thing, but I was rushing.
Skeletons you say?
https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/77501170ff69202afb3a7d2492dcc79ef207183afff1169ff0b828c199b9b3d2.jpg
I wish I could find my really well drawn “Colossal Undead Warrior: Juggerrot” picture
A hulking skeletal monster with four arms each holding a unique weapon
It’s upside… never mind.
Well soooooorrrryy my dang iPad didn’t take the picture right
I love these a lot they r my type ……y downward?
Poor iPad photo shoot
That kid gives me the creeps
Somebody grab me a shovel to beat it with
Well that’s Ithsme
Statistics statistics, this all wasted shovel beatin time
I’m gonna give you a shovel in the picture if that’s ok.
I prefer mallets
I’ll think about it
🙁
Be careful, Green might draw you like that as punishment.
*draws dirt clod in place of Earthen*
He dares not to misinterpret the high and mighty Earthen
*Cracks knuckles* if he knows what’s good for him
Togekiss right?
Yeah, and the pants are Togepi. He didn’t ASK for the pants to be Togepi, but I spiced it up 😉
I just thought of an idea for Arceus if it had a Z move. The animation could have Arceus wrecking the other Pokemon with its 1000 arms rapidly, and then all the arms combine in one large one, punching the opponent with an explosion like the Big Bang.
Too much coding
No it’s not. Did you see Eevee’s one?? THAT was long af
No I mean the 1000 arms
Visually speaking you wouldnt actually see 1000 arms, but the idea is still good
Yeah. I can see a Z-move along those lines.
Yeah I mean coding in a 1000 arms would be very unlikely, so just showing a flurry of some arms would be all the developers have to do
Do one for each type, colour them either gold with a jewel that’s the colour of one of the types in the palm, or just the whole arms matches the colour of that plate types.
Or just a ring of arms, like the Buddhists do. (image)
http://img07.deviantart.net/268c/i/2011/314/b/d/1000_arms_by_multidimensional_art-d4fr8u1.jpg
Yeah that’s what I mean, have them all surrounding it like that with each arm representing a type. Or just a full ring of arms like that all gold.
I’d prefer the gold rather than the type-based arms.
Matches the colour of the ring that’s supposed to symbolise the thousand arms.
Maybe they each have a small jewel in them like the ones in Arceus’ Arcs to represent each type?
It would have to be retconned if they ever introduce new types and Arceus can’t actually be all types at once, it has to pick one.
But it’s a Z-move so maybe it can. They kind of had to retcon it anyway with the fairy plate, since everything before it talked about one less type.
Yeah, but they only had to add a form and animation, they didn’t have to redo or modify any animations.
The arms can be copy-pasted or spawned algorithmically rather than individually placed.
Actually animations are done in an animator and usually have their own data format.
The only programming involved is making the system that accepts the animation data and runs it, which only has to be written once.
And it wouldn’t be any more effort than any other Z move.
Yes and call it Big Bang
That would cause Controversy
But Arceus represents god so if arceus made the big bang then god made the big bang 🙁 religion and science in one
Teamwork
Maybe the name for it could be “Big Bang Fury”
We are assuming the universe was created the same way it was in real life though.
Technically we don’t actually know for definate how the universe was created, we just have best guess theories. We haven’t even been able to simulate the conditions of the big bang, so we can’t test the plausibility in any way other than theory.
Science is a strange creature.
I love science for that. Well not really, just space stuff and universe cool stuff
If people are that against the idea of the Big Bang they’re probably not playing Pokemon in the first place.
I think that’s a bad assumption. Not me personally, but I know a few highly religious people who are completely into that science stuff. And I know one who actually plays Pokemon, so . . .
I never said religious people don’t play pokemon.
I thought all of it’s plates would fly around it, beams of power from them would hit it’s golden arcs and it would fire an Almighty attack that’s all types at once (though only hits max 4x supereffective damage)
That sounds cool, maybe it could be as a Special Attack Z move version Arceus has to the one I thought of
That would be cool. This is like a more Powerful Version of Judegment or Hyper Beam. Yours sounds like Giga Impact crossed with Close Combat.
My desires for special Z-Moves
Rhydon: Rhyper Rush
Mewoth: Happy Happy Lucky Pay Day
And that’s all I got… Only the really stupidly popular pokes will get this luxury
Rhyper Rush…?
I don’t know
Something about Rhydon’s renowned take down attack
Maybe a Hyper Horn Drill
Z-Moves are sounding cartoonish and fairly obvious
Fair.
Pulverizing Pancake isn’t obvious though.
Not obvious, but very silly, the complete opposite of the Japanese version’s intention.
All-Out Pummeling
Never Ending Nightmare
Pikatastrophe
Don’t reminds me, if I ever find the people responsible for naming them, I’m going to hit them so hard their ancestors will feel it.
I wish I could find my old list
I feel like the only one who really likes the Z move names.
What would you name them instead?
Grass Bloom Doom
Fire Inferno Overdrive
Water Hydro Vortex
Electric Gigavolt Havoc
Normal Balance Breaker
Rock Stone Storm
Ground Tectonic Terrorizer
Ice Frozen Fury
Fighting Champion’s Finish
Poison Noxious Nova
Flying Cyclone Slicer
Bug Power Swarm
Dark Coup de gras or Sinister Strike
Psychic Celestial supernova
Ghost Spirit Screech
Dragon Dragon’s Roar
Steel Iron Impact
Fairy Mystical Tempest.
I think some of the names for regular moves could’ve been good for Z-moves but they already used them. I like most of these, I hope the rest of the real ones aren’t too terrible.
I’d need to sit around and think about it for a while, but I’d try to A) keep them close to the originals and B) make them sound more like regular moves and less like dance crazes
Some of them I’m ok with like Gigavolt Havok (original: ‘Super King Gigavolt’), Inferno Overdrive (original: ‘Dynamic Full Flame’) and Hydro Vortex (original: ‘Super Aqua Tornado’)
But stuff like Bloom Doom and Pulverising Pancake sound too frivolous to be terrifying. (Compare with “Hyper Beam”, “Draco Meteor”, “Meteor Mash”, all very strong, serious sounding moves)
For Bloom Doom I’d probably do something like “Floral Frenzy” or “Nature’s Wrath”. Admitedly the original name of that was awful too (Bloom Shine Extra).
Raichu’s move was originally “Lightning Surf Ride” (which is actually a pun if you know what the Japanese word ‘Rai’ means). To be honest in the English name I’m ok with the “Spark Surfer” bit, I just don’t like the “Stoked” bit, it sounds kind of outdated and puts me more in mind of stoking a fire than anything else. I would have preferred something like “Static Spark Surfer” or if they wanted to up the surfer theme a notch “Static Spark Shredder” since ‘shredding’ is surfer slang.
The one that bugs me more than anything though is Snorlax.
Snorlax’s original move was completely in Japanese but
translated to something like “it unleashes a serious attack” so I would
have gone for something like “Serious Slam” or “Super Serious Slam” at a
push. “Snorlax unleashed its Serious Slam” and “Snorlax’s Serious Slam”
sound pretty good. Pulverising Pancake feels like they’re throwing the whole “serious” aspect out of the window, and that was a major part of the attack (the Japanese website advertised the attack with phrases like “Snorlax finally gets serious”, and used the word ‘serious’ at least 3-4 times when discussing/describing the attack).
I forgot about Pikachu’s because my brain retconned it from existance…
I would have gone for something closer to the Japanese name. The Japanese name was (apparently, taking this one from serebii instead of video hunting again) “Knockout Pikachute” so I would have gone for either “Knockout Pikashoot” or “Pikashoot” with some other interesting adjective in front.
Extreme Evoboost is kind of dull but similar to the original.
I probably would have just changed it to “Extreme Eeveeboost” because it makes a better pun than “Catastropika”.
Hadn’t heard of All-Out Pummelling and Never-Ending Nightmare until now, but I’m fine with those, they’re much more serious and worry-enducing.
I feel like Meowth won’t get one because of Alolan Meowth and will be grumpy about it when Pikachu has one.
Alolan Raichu got one, Meowth deserves one.
Yeah, but it’s Alolan. Meowth will only be available as Alolan Meowth to start with, so I’m not sure it’d get one.
Raichu will only be available in the game as Alolan Raichu, same as Meowth.
You kidding
A spoiled rich cat like Meowth would most likely use an attack that literally assaults the opponent with gold and jewels
I’d like that, perhaps Alolan Meowth will get one, that’d really annoy Rocket Meowth.
I want there to be a legit Team Skull Squad that always tries to make trouble and they’re always punking on Team Rocket and they use an Alolan Meowth that is clearly better then Meowth
Also I want Bewear to be ‘in love” with team rocket and follows them around
Also Bewear tries to hug James all the time. I think an Alolan Meowth Rival would be cool. It may even be one that Meowth is in love with to start with but then develops a rivalry.
They should add these Pokéballs to the games imo:
http://cdn.bulbagarden.net/upload/3/3d/Clone_Balls_anime.png
http://cdn.bulbagarden.net/upload/a/ae/Crystal_Ball_anime.png
http://cdn.bulbagarden.net/upload/e/ec/Team_Rocket_Ball.png
http://cdn.bulbagarden.net/upload/9/96/Park_Ball_anime.png
http://cdn.bulbagarden.net/upload/4/40/Lake_Ball_anime.png
Zero Ball 2 will be the most amazing dark ball, no?
I want it, it looks creepy.
I think technically #3 is just the Park Ball before they had art of it (or the anime ignoring the legit stuff again).
I partly agree with crystal balls.
Mewtwo’s balls are evil though.
mewtwo’s balls lol im such a child o3o
#4, you missed Team Rockets special ball. And yeah it is the Park Ball, I prefer this design though, and Park Ball doesn’t really count to me as you can’t keep it.
I think the crystal would be good at catching Psychic, Ghost and Fairy Types.
I know the Mewtwo ones are evil, I just really like their creepy design.
So I did. Rocket’s pokeballs are interesting too. Would be nice for events.
You can, that’s the bug contest park ball from Johto. You keep what you catch.
Ash caught something that way I think.
I was thinking more aesthetic than purposeful.
They feel really yugioh-ish to me for some reason.
You mean Sport Balls? Park Balls are the ones from Pal Park.
Sport: http://cdn.bulbagarden.net/upload/3/3e/Bag_Sport_Ball_Sprite.png
Park: http://cdn.bulbagarden.net/upload/b/b2/Bag_Park_Ball_Sprite.png
They were called “Park Balls” in Gen II.
Gen IV retconned them into “Sport Balls”.
To quote Bulbapedia: “To do this, Trainers are given twenty Sport Balls (similar to Safari Balls; called “Park Balls” in Generation II)”
Oh yes, so they were, my mistake. I haven’t played the original gen 2 games in a long time.
They were the second games I ever played, and I think I actually saw that episode of the anime, hence how I know what they’re supposed to be.
Checking the wiki, Ash caught a Beedrill, won the competition, and gave the Beedrill to Casey, who only caught a Weedle. Dunno what happened to the Sun Stone he won though.
A bit more detail though:
“The Park Balls pictured in this episode are vastly different from the later-introduced Sport Ball
in-game sprites, likely due to a design change between the time of
Generation II and Generation IV. This is similar to the alteration in
design of the Safari Ball, which appears differently between its anime debut and its Generation III reintroduction with an in-game sprite.”
http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/EP161
“kyubi, 9-tailed” Um, there’s a Pokemon that already exists which has this influence. It’s called NINETALES. It had its spotlight for Gen 7 shown. So that one is absolutely incorrect.
And Popplio’s final evolution is a Siren.
Not confirmed officially though.
From the Wikipedia article for Kyubis
“These foxes are depicted as mischievous, usually tricking other people, with the ability to disguise as an attractive female human”
SUCCUBUS
Combine that with Medusa(a gorgon) being known for her beauty, Sirens leading sailors to their death with their beauty and singing, and Cleopatra being a still popular symbol of beauty, and there seems to be a certain shared theme. Though personally I’d guess Lamia over succubus. Just seems more likely that a salamander would turn into a snake, then a demon, but who knows. Well that and people might get upset if you put a sex demon pokemon in a game aimed at kids.
We already have Drifloon.
And that’s relevant how? Because they have been known to take away children, except not really? This is a series where the literal grim reaper pokemon has a giant smiley face on its back and has been known to lure children away. However Sex is kind of a big taboo among children, regardless of culture. They have been cleaver with things like lopunny, being that its more of a pop reference to bunny girls and not necessarily a symbol of sex, but an outright sex demon pokemon might be where the line is crossed.
They could easily just word it in a way that doesn’t imply it’s some sort of sex demon.
That would work in most cases, but the issue is that a Succubus IS a sex demon. There’s no real way around it. The only thing I could imagine is they went with the mentioned Cleopatra angle, and made it more of a Empress pokemon, or something like that. Something that could easily command men to do its bidding and because of its chemical thing that is mentioned, people find it beautiful. However I really can’t see them having something that is overtly sexual.
It could be based around a Succubus, but not literally be a sex demon.
A lot of parents probably don’t know what that is, anyway. They’re not researching every pokemon to see if it’s based around a scary sex demon.
I imagine the design to be similar to Gardevoir. Obviously supposed to be a bit sexy but still okay for a kids game
pretty much what I would guess as well. Like if it was going for the Cleopatra angle, my first thought would be they could go about as risky as something like Mumma from Fiona Frightening. Something that certainly has some shapes to it, but for the most part is still very innocent.
http://orig09.deviantart.net/f2a7/f/2014/348/4/a/wicked_wardrobe__princess_mumma_by_mtc_studios-d89t67e.png
them thighs
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/HartmanHips
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/BigBeautifulWoman
I read the link and resisted clicking for fear of my history… even though history gets deleted sort of.
dude it’s from the same dang site as the one you posted
who the frack cares, you where looking up tropes so what
I meant the article itself, I’m anticipating all manner of strange things.
Yeah, but she’s a bit of a rich girl from the valley. Something about her dad making it big in the middle east or something.
Inb4 Brock is the only one immune to it because logic.
Drifloon is a sex Demon?
I KNEW IT
Whoops
Doesn’t really look like a Kyubi to me.
Looks more like a vampire.
But it’s supposed to be 1 of the 4, not traits of all 4, so I’d be willing to rule out the kyubi and the siren.
I hope if we ever actually see Arceus in game we can’t actually capture it. We just fight it and then it flies away.
I can’t get over the idea of God being captured in a ball.
I still refute that Arceus is god.
I think it’s a powerful creature that was rationalised as a god and has some powers of creation, but in actuality is just another legendary.
That’s fair.
But if it’s really as powerful as it says in the lore it may as well be God.
The Egyptians used to believe their Pharaohs were gods.
In the anime-verse at the very least it is canon that it is a god, of pokemon at the very least as he created the world, and time and space as well as the alternate dimension where Giratina resides
Arceus is literally referred to as the alpha Pokémon. The same monicer God is said to refer to himself as.
It created not just earth but the creatures that created time and space and antimatter.
It can create life
One of its roles is to pass “judgement” on the life of earth.
It is the single most powerful being, mega evolution not withstanding, in all of Pokémon.
At this point refuting that Arceus is God is like refuting that water is wet or the sky is blue…
The sky isn’t blue…
It is perceived as blue for everyone that can perceive it. So yes, for all intents and purposes it is blue
Weather, time of day, all can change what colour we perceive.
The skies can be grey, it depends on the concentration of water droplets in the clouds and the density of the clouds.
At night it’s very dark, almost black.
Yes, in the pokedex, made by humans.
Humans have a habit of distorting facts when they don’t have enough scientific evidence, especially older cultures.
In the real world, ancient cultures believed certain animals were sacred or incarnations of gods or god-like creatures. Hence Japanese legends about foxes and cats that shapeshift and cause havok.
Also some cultures believe their own people were gods. The Egyptians believes Pharaohs were gods.
All those ‘facts’ about it are just word of mouth passed down by the few humans who have actually witnessed it. If it was truly an omnipotent god capable of creation on such a scale, Arceus and the Jewel of Life would have been over in 5 seconds because Arceus could have just fixed the situation with a clap of its thousand arms.
Actually no… in each of the in game events in which the player is able to interact with Arceus it is seen performing “Godly” acts.
In the event for diamond and pearl it can only be reached by ascending to a point higher than the highest point in Sinnoh. A veritable Mount Olympus.
In HGSS it is seen creating an egg containing a new Dialga/Palkia/Giratina.
These aren’t just examples of human imagination and creativity. The player actually witnesses these acts first hand
It’s high, but it’s not the heavens.
Godly imagery yes, but it does not mean Arceus is actually a god.
Many pokemon can perform “Godly” acts. Walking on water, summoning rain, summoning lightning bolts, causing earthquakes etc.
Many pokemon can spawn eggs. Granted none physically create them from seemingly nothing, but Arceus did have to be in a special place to create the egg. If it was really a god it could make eggs whenever it felt like it.
Any sufficiently advanced power looks like magic. If a group of humans that had never seen a pokemon saw a Charmander breathe fire and evolve into Charmeleon, they would probably think it was some sort of god.
No human could possibly have witnessed Arceus creating the world because the humans would not yet have existed when it did so because there would be no world in which the humans could exist. Witnessing it create Sinnoh or other Pokemon maybe, but not the world. Other pokemon are also held responsible for creating regions though. Hoenn was said to be built by Groudon and Kyogre for example. Regigigas is said to have pulled the continents with ropes and created the other regis.
Arceus is not special, it’s just another legendary.
Same. I always loved the general idea of battling legendaries and not being able to capture them because come on! Why would a child be able to capture the creator of the land/sea/ozone or the personification of time/space or ideals/truths (or whatever tf reshiram and zekrom were), or the pokemon of life/death or the emissary of the sun/moon, etc.