RUMOR: Chinese Riddler Updates Their Pokémon List

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Another Pokémon Sun & Moon reveal, another update from the mysterious Chinese leaker who only gives cryptic clues about Pokémon that will be revealed. This update comes after the reveal of Lycanroc, Passimian and Oranguru and here are some things that I’m noting:

  • The split-form nature of Lycanroc is noted by a divided box, but the final evolutions of the starters are not, suggesting that the secret “shared” by Rockruff and the starters is not version-exclusive evolutionary forms
  • The “Aristotle” Pokémon seems to be connected to UB-01 suggesting that maybe Ultra Beasts will be obtainable similarly to Pokémon… or maybe they even have a Pokémon counterpart?
  • Ultra Beasts do seem to be included right alongside Pokémon in his list, nested right between traditional “legendary” Pokémon

These are just my own personal thoughts after see the grid, I’m just playing along with everyone else trying to figure out what he means 🙂 Have to say… it is kind of fun.

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  7. Okay, so I’m still not fully sold on all this… I still feel there is a second Cutiefly evolution which the leak doesn’t account for. It would be cool to get a Toucan though. Also, I think there will be a lot more new Pokemon than this accounts for. Guess we will just have to wait and see. Plus… There is the whole starter and Rockruff thing that I don’t see here.

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    • One thing to remember is the leaker posts the info they have, not what exists. Many people assume komala has an evo, but one isn’t listed simply because they don’t know about it. In the case of cutiefly we know only of this evo from the Japanese trailer. We’ve never seen its dex entry, so we don’t know how many evolutions it would have. Also remember that rock ruff share a secret, but that doesn’t meen it’s split forms. It could really be anything, though most likely Z moves

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        • This guy isn’t a leaker, he posts riddles of things thats coming. Like how he posted a shovel in a body of sand to tease the Pallossand line

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          • He/She has been on point with his/her riddles on 7 different occasions with the first one being the reveal of the sun and moon legendaries in June. I think he is the most credible leaker this entire pre-release season. These riddle leaks of his are only of stuff coming in the near future. He isn’t posting stuff that has already come out. What he has put up in this list is what is officially confirmed plus the stuff in the near future. If an evolution isn’t confirmed (starter’s mid-evo and Pikipek’s Eco during the E3) than it will not be on this list. Any of the Pokemon like Salandit that are on the list by themselves could still evolve even though there is not question mark next to them. It is just not 100% official to the general public of Pokefans. I hope I was clear with my interpretation of his riddles and that this long reply wasn’t to bothersome of a read.

  8. so Split evolution is not the starter’s secret they share with Rockruff.

    What a relief! I would’ve ended up getting two games if that would’ve been the case.

    I’m just waiting until Bank has been updated.

    (Just hope it’s not Japanese exclusive like ”My Pokemon Ranch: Platinum Compatable”)

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  11. What culture/geographic area would you all want a future gen to be based off of? Personally I’d really dig a Pakistani/Indian inspired region. I’m a huge Ms Marvel fan and I’ve had 2 Indian professors and worked under an Indian accounting controller and I’ve become quite infatuated with that area of the world. I like their aesthetics.

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    • fat chance! I’ve already know of which regio is based on which just simply based on certain Pokemon found for when their remake comes out.

      It’ll be Rio for South America, Hong Kong for Asia, Sydney for Australasia, Jerusalem for the Middle East and Cape Town in Africa.

      Though the settings maybe different when the locations for the next pokemon games come out. But when you think about it, we’ve already got Japan, North America, Europe and the Oceanic.

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          • Nah. We’re already getting an island region, another one would be too much for the next gen. They could though create an area in the region based on madagascar with the baobad trees. Brazil has so much more to offer in terms of landscape and different ecosystems. Rio is amazing when it comes to nature (the hills are beautiful), then there’s the amazon forest, the amazing beaches in the northeast + sand dunes (lencois maranhenses) +some desert parts. The south is colder so we could find snow there in the games.

      • Really confused as to what exactly you’re saying for those first two paragraphs, but yes Japan, USA, Western Europe, and now Pacific Asia + Hawaii have all been used for inspiration for a region. In Japan’s case 2 (4 if you count Hoenn & Sinnoh, to me they felt more ambiguous as far as real world inspirations go.) I don’t necessarily feel like India/Pakistan are too much of a fat chance if they are going to continue on with real world inspired regions. At some point I feel like most of Earth will be utilized.

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    • I want them to hurry up and do an CANADIAN based Region. (Seeing as I am an Canadian. And Canada would have so much to offer for a Pokemon Region.) I have my own region, and a whole bunch of fakemons that I’ve been making since I was in elementary school, and its based on Canada.

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  13. -UB aren’t catchable. They are the true enemies in the story.

    >-Lillie’s mother (Lusamine) studies hyperspatial pokemon (UB)

    >-Lillie It’s involved in the plot. She and UB merge in the climax.

    >-Alola have 3 professors, Lusamine studies hyperspacial pokemon, Oak studies alolan formes, Kukui studies Z power (Z moves and Z forms, which are induced by Z moves)

    >-Chinese starters are real. Grass/Flying, Fire/Dark, Water/Fairy. No split evos

    >-Chespin, Fennekin, Froakie, Rockruff, Rowlet, Litten and Popplio have Z forms in their final evos

    >-Jangmo-o is the pseudo

    >-Alolan Fearow, Nidos, Golduck, Golem, Rapidash, Muk, Weesing

    >-A new pokemon can evolve in Solgaleo or Lunala by a special method

    >-Marshadow is Ghost/Fighting

    >-No new megas

    >-No PWT in Alola.

    >-Battle Frontier come back

    >-New dolphin pokemon, pure Water. Evolve in Water/Dragon

    >-Rugby gorilla is Ground/Fighting

    >-Comfey evo is humanoid. Their loop is in their waist now.

    >-Boundsweet evo is paprika-like. Grass//Fire

    >-Morelull evo is a larger Morelulll. Type and ability are the same

    >-Salandit evo. Type and ability same

    >-Wimpod is the new Magikarp. Same type, change ability to Unnerve or Pressure

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  16. there’s a toucan here. Didn’t gamexplain’s video mention seeing a toucan on one of the shirts, which they said could be a pokemon seems how all the creatures on every shirt so far are pokemon?

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  18. I hope it’s true :O

    “Blue koala-like alien standing around three feet tall. He has large rabbit-like ears (with asymmetrical notches on the outer rims of each ear; one near the tip of his right ear, one near the base of his left ear), a wide mouth, a round nose, black eyes, a small, short, stumpy tail; three tufts of fur on top of his head and on his chest, four arms (two of which are usually retracted), three retractable spines that run down his back, sharp retractable claws on his front and back paws and two retractable antennae on his head. He has a limited ability to change his physical appearance, as he can retract his second set of arms, his claws, his antennae and the three spines on his back into his body.”

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  19. So this time round we have the same amount if Pokemon as XY, but including all the Alolan and UBs? Also there’s only one Island Guardian? Hmmm…interesting.

    The only thing I like about this is that Jangmo-o isn’t the Pseudo legendary.
    The rest is all crap and probably a load of bullshit.

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  20. Am I the only one who doesn’t like this? I haven’t been fully focused on it and observing, but to me it looks like he just updates it as more informationg gets figured out. If im not mistaken, the first couple times, he didn’t even have Turtonator or a couple other pokemon on the chart until they were revealed. And he didn’t have cutiefly’s evolution on there either at that time. There weren’t even “?” for them. Idk shii sketchy to me. And there better be a lot more new pokemon than he shows on there smh

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    • I’m glad I’m not the only one.
      I’ve been saying I don’t trust the Riddler ever since the first time he missed out Cutiefly’s evo.

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      • Enlighten me on how tf rock,paper,scissors, and innards has anything to do with Pyukumuku, cuz i ont get that part lol. I mean I can’t front, hes been right on some things. But I don’t think he knows everything, and is a little ahead of himself. Theres gotta be more pokemon than just in that chart.

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        • as stated before i think in other pictures he hasn’t had things like Cutieflys evo. but his pictures foreshadowing the pokemon that he does know about have been accurate. that means that there could easily be more pokemon but you do have to remember that at some point they have to reveal the final starter evos and we’re basically a month away and possibly 2-3 more reveals from the “last reveal” before release. we could easily almost be done with there being “more pokemon” unless they flat out don’t reveal half of it before release

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    • He teased:
      Team Skull
      Pyukumuku
      Pallossand line
      Passimian
      Oranguru
      UB-01
      Tapu-Koko
      Mimikyu
      Version mascots

      So in your head, because he forgot Cutiefly’s evolution means he has zero credibility? How long till people start to realise that it is 2016 and leaks are very much a common thing because of internet and social media? Leaks happen, even with Pokemon. People have to deal with it

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        • No his first riddle were a picture of Litleo and Zubat on April 20th and several days later Solgaleo and Lunala were revealed.

          He has never left a clue about an already revealed pokemon

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          • Yes so he is/was wrong on that, but that doesn’t disregard his entire credibility. Like I said earlier, leaks are never a 100% correct, unless they are directly coming from an employee maybe.

          • Well, it’s a bit irrelevant that she didn’t say anything about it. Maybe she didn’t not know it, or she didn’t choose to talk about it. Nevertheless she gave lots of information about all those Pokemon listed above. And she didn’t say “oh this is going to be this”. Actually her riddles are so clever that they cannot be a lucky guess.

          • I never said they’re lucky guesses, I’m saying they’re pretending they know more than they actually do.

            There is literally no reason to not say everything they know. Dragging it out more than necessary is just attention seeking.

          • Actually, she isn’t doing it for any favor. If attention is what she is seeking for what she is doing, then she deserves it. Because I don’t have any people in my life that knows exlusive Pokemon stuff. But she is one of those people, and she chose to share it.

          • Posting an image of inner organs and fists isn’t just a random guess lol. Thats literally what Pyukumuku does to fight.

          • Read what I said one more time:

            “I never said they’re lucky guesses, I’m saying they’re pretending they know more than they actually do.”

          • “I never said they’re lucky guesses, I’m saying they’re pretending they know more than they actually do.”

            Thats how I feel. and this is off-point. But i feel like he leaves lame hints for the pokemon to be revealed. Like an anime girl and some asian girl. Wtf am i supposed to get from that? but i guess thats the point

          • Yeah, this is why I’m saying it’s just an attention seeking thing, he wants people to start speculating and talking about him – dancing like his little puppets.

          • Mate, just because he didn’t hint at a Cutiefly evolution, doesn’t discredit him. It’s one thing to take things with a grain of salt (which everyone should, obviously), but fact is, the ratio of correct predictions by our ol’ pals in China is heavily outweighing ones that were wrong, misinterpreted or not leaked at all. So at this point, it seems like you’re simply arguing that this source has little to no credibility because they haven’t revealed EVERYTHING. The logic there is flawed, where’s the fun in that? If I had my hands on this kind of info, I’d be leaking it out slowly too, not all at once. That’s no fun.

          • Same here. This is actually a style I can get completely behind, as I am one for almost never giving direct answers when it comes to trivia and the like; I prefer just giving hints and having people come to the conclusions themselves.

    • I doubt he knows everything. Or he doesnt want to get in trouble with nintendo. Like I’m sure a few of these pokemon have evolutions/preevolutions but he doesnt want to show them bc a) it could spoil the game for others b) he doesnt want to get in trouble/ possible ruin nintendos reputation

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      • There’s no point in lying.

        And the Nintendo thing isn’t an excuse because if Nintendo knew what he’d already hinted at he’d probably be demoted or fired.

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          • That’s my point. He’s anonymous, he can give away everything he knows with a snap of his fingers and no reprecussions.

            If you assume that he’s not anonymous, then he’s already a target to be tracked down and punished.

      • Yuhhhh true. But if he put “?” spots for the starters evolutions, I don’t see why he wouldn’t just do it for the others. All he had to do is put a ?, not even a hint. No way in hell all those pokemon are stand alone, with no evolutions. So I feel like he isn’t sure. Which isn’t bad, i’m just saying it takes some of his credibility away.

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        • what if they dont know every single pokemon and their evo he just knows a handful. or he still wants there to be some surprise with the games. or maybe he just leaks what he knows will be announced in offical trailers.

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        • Geez. That would reveal how many pokemon there is, which is, a pretty huge thing.. Although he vaguely mentioned Lunala’s dex No. But anyways, he only put a question mark if an evolution is certain, like Alolan Persian.

          I know Chinese and I’m positive that he knows everything, and he explicitly said he didn’t wanna spoil the fun for us. Also it’s obvious that he doesn’t want any trouble from Nintendo.

          Also, he posts in tieba which is kinda like a forum, AND ALL OF HIS RIDDLES ARE IN ONE POST. So we could discuss stuff through his constant updates; it’s not like ‘hey I’m leaking this’ ‘ok I’m out’. So a lot of information/images wouldn’t make sense if you’re just looking at one at a time.

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    • The Riddler has been predicting stuff since February. At this point he’s one of the most trust worthy leakers out there. I can’t remember who said it on here, but they theorized that he might be one of the trailer editors and there for has access to info that is coming in the relative future. Which makes sense to me.Either way he’s very credible and there’s no way he’s lying about anything.

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        • Yeah at this point anything they get wrong or slightly off are just minor mistakes and/or they are trying to be misleading. Either way anyone who doubts their legitimacy are just lying to themselves lol

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          • I thought people would have learnt after the entire Unova pokedex was leaked like 3 or 4 months before Black and White were released. I’m not saying every leak is credible, but immediately disregarding them is just stupid in my opinion, especially in these modern times when basically everyone has internet and social media.

      • I don’t think he is lying either, but I don’t think he knows as much as people assumes he does. Theres no way that all those pokemon are stand alone evolutions. Him leaving hints for the pokemon he is SURE about is fine, but why make a full chart when you don’t have full info. Its like trying to make food when you don’t have all the ingredients. I mean everybody is gonna fell how they feel about it, I was jus saying I think theres a lot more to it than he knows

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        • Again I think people need to stop thinking about the chart as an actual Pokedex. It seems more of a collection of everything he knows of rather than the actual order.

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        • :but why make a full chart when you don’t have full info

          Nobody never said it was a chart to a full dex and it’s obnoxious to even believe that, why would someone even think that by looking at that chart? It’s pretty obivously just listing the revealed stuff + the confirmed stuff like pikipek evos and the riddles

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  23. There are literally only 7 things in that image that are predictions.
    -The street lamp
    -The male&female pair
    -The toucan
    -The tiki
    -The tiki’s evolutions
    -The greyed out pokemon from older generations.

    Everything else is just stuff we already know.

    And there’s stuff we’re convinced of that isn’t there, like the dolphin and snowman, not to mention there’s almost certainly more alolan forms to come (unless we’re only getting 10, which would be a pretty tiny number for a new mechanic considering we originally got 28 megas), and it’s a fair bet some of the other pokemon will evolve (e.g. Wimpod, Morelull, Jangmo-o)

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  24. Was the toucan edited in there after or before the trailer came out with the girl wearing the toucan shirt? Because once that happened, everybody started thinking there was a toucan pokemon, If he put the toucan in there after, than it just seems to me that he isn’t as credible as everyone thinks. Because once the trailer dropped and showed Cutiefly’s evolution, and everybody started pointing it out, then he updated the chart and put it on there

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      • Exactly, so the leaker isn’t really as powerful as people think. Sure he knows some info, but the rest hes just been pullin out his ass when the obvious is visible it looks like to me

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        • The leaker and this riddler are two different individuals though. The leaker mentions typings and classifications. The riddler just drops images

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          • Thea leaker is the one who dropped the starter evolution sketches, and mentioned rugby monkey, snowman and etc?

            and the riddler is the one who made this chart?

          • I don’t know who dropped the starter evo sketches, but I do know that the leaker mentioned an archer, wrestler and mermaid/siren as the starter evos. And yes he mentioned rugby monkey, snowman/iceman, sea cucumber, alola formes, no gyms etc

          • The riddler leaves behind clues of stuff that are related to SuMo and they are about yet to be revealed things, whether it be new Pokemon or something else.

            He dropped an image of a cloth with a Skeleton and in the same week Team Skull were revealed. This is just one example though.

        • I don’t know what is meant powerful here but she is one of the most powerful person on internet now among people we are having interact with in terms of having Sun & Moon info.

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          • Yeah definitely. I know the person is the most credible from everyone so far, I just don’t think they’re credible enough to make a chart that we can all rely on. Especially with the shii thats going on at the bottom with the alola forms. That to me seems like they just put who they THINK would have an alola form. In that case his voice is no different than a fan if he has no insight on it

          • The stuff at the bottom isn’t anything to do with alolan forms, it’s supposed to be pokemon from other generations that are returning.

          • The greyed out ones are the ones that haven’t appeared in trailers but are supposedly going to be in the game, the bold ones are ones that have appeared in trailers (which again, isn’t leaking, it’s just going through the trailers and ticking off what’s been seen).

          • The scratched out Pokemon won’t be getting Alola formes according to him. The ones who aren’t greyed out or scratched out might still get it

  25. I don’t really understand those who are saying “the riddler didn’t hint to this or that, therefore they must be lying now”. Clearly this grid is not supposed to be the whole generation (would anyone seriously think that???), but only the extent of what this person knows/wants to reveal. Clearly this person likes playing by their own rules rather than revealing everything head on, though it seems of late they’ve become more open and cocky.

    They also seem to be keeping it updated with info that comes out, such as the pokémon seen in trailers, the cutiefly evolution, or this while toucan speculation thing. But I don’t see how that removes their credibility by any stretch of logic, they’ve still been right for everything they predicted, and they’re not required to have predicted everything to be right.

    Maybe there is some bull mixed in there, maybe suddenly they are lying, but until now this hinter has been spot-on, so to assume that what they’re posting now isn’t worthy of the benefit of the doubt kind of puts you in denial…
    And all we have from them is still just hints (apart from that 4chan repost, but we’re not clear on what that even means.
    We may as well concentrate on investigating them rather than argue whether we trust it or not, it’d be a better use of our time :p .

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      • Ah, fair enough if that’s the case, I’d like to see it if you can find it. We are simply talking about the riddler right, not some other leaker? As far as I know until very recently all the riddler ever gave were picture hints, how could those be wrong exactly???

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        • Hang on, yes. My bad! I think it was the leaker (not the riddler we’re talking about) who said that. The leaker who posted on the Chinese board is the one who said they included some false information, I believe.

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          • Ah, yes, the chinese leaker (as opposed to the riddler) is a whole other matter. Especially with how people seem to conflate multiple leakers, such as claiming they said the rugby monkey was fighting/ground (I’m 100% sure that wasn’t in the original leak post, maybe they said it later but are we sure that’s the same person?).
            What even is left from their predictions that hasn’t turned out true yet? Apart from the Snowman and Dolphin pokémon (and wow, people, me included, are gonna be hella pissed if that was a lie).

          • There was some interesting conversation going on over on our Twitter account earlier. It seems some of the new teases from the Riddler could line up with the dolphin and possibly snowman from the leaker. So much going on it’s difficult to keep track!

      • Riddler posted a 4chan leak that was not theirs but someone with crediablity, they said some of its false why most is true keep a eye on it

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    • It’s because they’re padding it out to make it seem like they’ve done more than they actually have. Any idiot could compile a list of already revealed pokemon.

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      • Or maybe they’re “padding it out” to give us a complete overview of everything we know so far? Why assume malice? The riddler has only been spot-on with the riddles up to now, they need no more credibility than that.

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          • I guess that’s a fair enough point of view, I’m more of the opinion it helps clarify things and give us a good “what we know/what you’ll be seeing soon” overview.

          • He hasn’t got much more than the official website does. Literally just the 7 things I mentioned in my earlier comment.

          • Yes, and that’s more than the riddler’s ever hinted at before… It used to be one picture each time.
            This is the RIDDLER we’re talking about, not a simple LEAKER (caps for emphasis, not trying to sound angry haha).
            This person isn’t just throwing everything in each time like your average “my uncle’s accountant works at nintendo” text leaker, they’re more subtle and playful than that (and I’d argue, a cooler leaker for it).
            They’ve just chosen to start highlighting their reveal in the grand scheme of things. Suddenly the riddler is giving us more than just one hint at a time, and you’re blaming them because they’re not just giving us a full infodump? Doesn’t seem very coherent to me.

          • Sounds like they’re trying to make themselves more important.

            They’re not cool, they’re just in a position of power that they have chosen to abuse (by both leaking in the first place and not leaking all at once).

    • The riddler did this the first time with avatars and pictures
      A stuffed Owl,Cat and Sea Lion pictured
      Zubat and Litleo
      A pikachu with a cover on it
      Organs+Fist?
      A football player
      a sage.
      they totally have to know things

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