Riddle me this, Zubatman
Some of you may have heard about the mysterious Chinese leaker who hasn’t actually leaked anything concrete, but instead gives clues as to what is in the upcoming Nintendo 3DS titles Pokémon Sun & Moon. They seem eerily accurate in rather unique ways. Here’s most of what they’ve gotten right so far:
- Pyroar & Zubat before the reveal of Solgaleo & Lunaala
- Pikachu covered in a sheet prior to seeing Mimikyu
- Image of rock-paper-scissors and innards (?) before Pyukumuku
- Sandcastle & shovel for Sandygast & Palossand
- A skeleton on cloth for Team Skull
There are still a few unsolved mysteries left to figure out, however. A bust of Aristotle that was posted remains a mystery; some say that Type: Null could be what the Riddler was referring to, others are not as sure. There’s also a grid of Pokémon which shows officially revealed (or, with the starter evolutions, leaked) Pokémon with some teasingly marked with question marks. It even hints that Marshadow may not even be the third legendary, it could simply be an event Pokémon.
Underneath that are also small sprites of Pokémon which may appear in the games (colored) or get an Alolan form (faded). If this is correct, and that is the meaning behind it, we could expect Alolan forms for the following Pokémon:
- Bulbasaur, Ivysaur, Venusaur
- Voltorb, Electrode
- Horsea, Seadra, Kingdra
- Staryu, Starmie
- Porygon, Porygon2, Porygon-Z
- Gen II starters
- Chinchou, Lanturn
- Larvitar, Pupitar, Tyranitar
- Spheal, Sealeo, Walrein
- Axew, Fraxure, Haxorus
- Hawlucha
Certainly would be exciting to see some for Pokémon outside of the original Red & Blue!
They’ve also posted a picture of Anabel who runs the Battle Tower in the Battle Frontier in Pokémon Emerald! Does this mean the Tower returns? Or the whole damn Frontier?! An exciting prospect for many who pined for its return in Omega Ruby & Alpha Sapphire. Junichi Masuda has claimed that its omission had been because players nowadays want faster gratification from their games and he didn’t think it would be widely appreciated.
So what is the current fuss about? It just so happens that the Riddler’s avatar is none other than Colress, a villainous researcher and Team Plasma’s second leader from Pokémon Black 2 & White 2 who sought to unlock the ultimate strength within Pokémon. Definitely Z-Move vibes from his past motivations and he even hinted that he wanted to make a device that allowed humans and Pokémon to communicate; could he have been the developer of the Rotom Dex?!
Some fans even claim that Colress was seen during the recent trailer in the Aether Foundation’s headquarters, but the evidence is tenuous at best.
They’ve also hinted that there may be multiple professors in Alola, but whether this means other professors from previous regions may make an appearance or that Prof. Kukui is not the only Alolan Pokémon professor is still up in the air.
Perhaps the most interesting information is that of the potential Alolan forms, but there’s certainly enough to speculate about for the moment! WHAT DO YOU THINK?!
<3 PJ
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Oooh Shigeru Miyamoto is at the Apple Event
I’m looking at the list of sprites and I DON’T see Abra, Kadabra or Alakazam anywhere. Alakazam was just shown in the most reacent trailer yet it isn’t even on the updated Grid. This may hurt the leaker although I hope not.
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Lol has anybody ever heard of this theory that Gengar is Clefable’s shadow?
Omg that colress part though
The Colress thing has my attention.
Didn’t he work with gene splicers ? didn’t he aide in a sense fusing Kyurem with the DNA of the other 2 ? I’m also intrigued by Gladeon. is that actually a pokemon that belonged to him and the Aether foundation ran experiments on it ? Does the Aether foundation think they’re gods ? because the word aether or ether means the essence that gods breathed / the space they occupy. maybe the Aether foundation goes to far and accidentally create Ultra Beasts or ultra beasts are in communication with certain people of Alola.
Maybe they tried to run experiments on Lilly because Colress wanted to communicate with pokemon better maybe he’s the inspiration behind or the mastermind of the Aether foundation. maybe it went wrong . maybe . . . MAYBE !
maybe I’m drunk :/
for a game directed at 10 year olds it sure does rattle the minds of the older people LOL
Aether is the 5th alchemic substance, and it is regarded as being superior to the other 4. Thus making it essentially being in a higher plane of existence. So yes, the Aether Foundation might very well consider themselves as gods.
yea, and i also read that it is connected to Aritotelic Physics so theres the sculpture connection. i think you end up working WITH team skull after siding with the Aether foundation for a good portion of the game.
And I think Lillie is an angel (literally)
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That arrow pointing to the the possibility of Colress being in Pokémon Sun & Pokémon Moon is actually pointing to a Machamp. The Japanese trailer shows Machamp in the background during Wicke’s introduction. What you’re seeing in that close-up image are Machamp’s arms with the bottom pair on its hips.
Now, here’s a wonderful image of The Four Relevant Leaks.
So gen 7 Machamp wears a white labcoat? Got it
the image in the bubble is machamp, the other one is fair game.
So, you didn’t read I said close-up image? Got it.
Anyway, I highly doubt that’s Colress in that other, non-close up image.
I have to wonder if the bust of Aristotle (which it definitely is Aristotle) ls just referencing Sophocles, another famous greek person that a trial captain in sun and moon is named after. its a bit of a stretch, what do you think?
Several characters in the franchise have names referencing to gods or other mythical creatures. I genuinely think there’s a pattern which ultimately will result in something major, perhaps in Sun and Moon.
Arisotle is the Man who first stated the Earth wasn’t flat.
Which I feel is a connection.
As Solgeleo seems to be named after Galileo as well as Sun and Lion, which fits as he was the guy who said, “Hey wait we orbit the sun”, he also studied the phases of the Moon, and part of his name could be in Lunalas name, though I’m still coming up blanks on that one, but Basically, Sun, Moon, Earth
Can this game pls come out already
Okay, so Pokemon GO just came out for apple watch. So, that’s a thing now.
I hope that Komala gets an evolution. Though the Chinese Riddler recently mentioned Bruxish, Drampa, Mimikyu, and Salandit would be not be standalone Pokemon (from I video I watched by Cresselia on Smogon who translated the original Chinese leaker’s leak). and I don’t see evolution ?’s for them here. It’s possible though that the Chinese Riddler doesn’t want to risk his job too much so maybe left them out of the pic here. Rockruff has a ? mark next to it, while Pikipek has two ?’s.
the pokemon you see on the grid is pokemon thats gonna be announced or have been announced
Oh, okay. So, then how come we don’t have ?’s next to Bruxish, Drama, Mimikyu, and Salandit? Newest thing from the Riddler that Cresselia from Smogon got said that they would not be standalone Pokemon. (Refresh if you can’t see video) And I don’t imagine Jangmo-o’s evolutions will be announced anytime nor will Pikipek’s. Rockruff though, we know will be soon. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6IA-LMexUY8
because they wont be announce youll have to wait till in-game
Apple announcing their waterproof iPhone like its this huge new thing. Sony and Samsung did that ages ago.
remember “its the best iphone yet” like always
Shhh! Apple is God. Don’t look at the other phones. There is only Apple
Oh the days of being a teenager and angsty over a company releasing a product that I personally didn’t want to buy. Oh how I do not miss those days.
Aristotle is one of the first people to theorise Earth was round. I’m looking for more connections but, it could hint at an Earth Legendary, Sun, Moon and Earth. I know most peopl think Eclipse, but I honestly feel Earth would be a better fit.
Aristerra or something like that could be it’s name.
A mix of Arisotle and Terra, (Because Sol, Luna, Terra)
Worth mentioning Solgaleo might be named after Galileo as well as Sol and Leo.
Not so sure about Lunala apart from the Luna part, so lemme know if you know any Philospher or scientist with connections to the Moon with Ala in it.
(Side note: Aristole believed the Earth was round, but that it was the center of the universe, Galileo thought the Sun was the center of the universe, so Lunalas nameing most likely would come from a Scientist/Philospher related to this, but about the moon)
There’s already two Earth legendaries, Zygarde and Groudon. Sun and Moon’s theme is clearly revolving around alchemy. An eclipse Manticore or scorpion seem most plausible to me.
I’m just connecting things together, Zygarde at this point seems unconnected to the other 2, And it’s not the Earth Legendary, it’s the Order Legendary, who keeps order. The third Legendary is also most likely to share the Psychic Type with Lunala and Solgaleo. At the same time, a scorpion would make perfect sense for an Earth Legendary, Psychic/Poison would be a pretty neat type, as I doubt it would get Ground or Water, as Solgaleo isn’t fire and Lunala isn’t Dark or Fairy. Ariscoterra sounds like a pretty deadly Pokemon name to me.
If the alchemy theory turns out true, Zygarde is connected to Solgaleo and Lunala as well.
Perfect Zygarde may be connected to all 4 X/Y/S/M main legendaries (look at the colors of its “mouth”)
Maybe so, but now that seems to be merely the colours of the cores
There are elements of the Alchemy theory turning out to be true, Aether foundation adding to that. But theres nothing saying it’s the Earth Pokemon.
An Earth pokemon would make the least sense imo. A Water type to complement the Land, Sky and Ocean trio could happen or an Eclipse Pokemon to stick to the lore.
They like trinities though, and Sun, Moon and Earth is a Classical Trinity, specially in Alchemy.
Also, Zygarde 50% is based on the snake at the bottom of the world Tree (Deer, Bird, Snake (From the world Tree) , Kyurem is Grey (Black, White, Grey), Giratina is from an Alternate Dimension (Time/Space/Dimensions), and Rayquaza is from the Sky (Land, Ocean, Sky), They’re all trinities Earth makes perfect sense, specially when paired with this Aristotle “Clue”. That’s not to say there won’t be an Eclipse Pokemon, but it would probably be seperate from the trio, as suggested here, if Marshadow, which sounds like it could be, is it, it wouldn’t be the first time. Im telling you, and I’ll stick by it, the Third legenadary will be Earth, not Eclipse.
Kyurem is literally offspring from Zekrom and Reshiram
Yes it is, but colour scheme wise it is Grey, which fits, Zekrom is Black, and Reshiram is White, between Black and White, is Grey, which is why before B2/W2 we predicted Grey.
Similair to how we thought there would be a Z, based on the Pokemon.
So Earth makes a tonne of sense.
But Zygarde 100% featuring in Sun and Moon sort of debunks that theory for me.
What Theory? Zygade is literally the Z Pokemon. Xerneas is X, Yveltal is Y.
On the same line of thinking, Solgaleo is Sun, Lunala is Moon, so Earth only makes sense. Because of recent discovery’s it seems that Zygarde, while playing a role in S/M is probably not actually connected to them at all. Though it is interesting to note the World Tree seems to be on the 4th island.
Your theory that the 3rd legendary is Ground type or an Earth pokemon. The presence of Zygarde in S/M debunks that for me. Its clearly a plot-based Pokemon in the game.
I never said Ground type, I said Earth Pokemon, going by Lunala and Solgaleo Ground wouldn’t make sense, and the third legend would most likely be Psychic/Something.
Zygarde is clearly Plot based, but that doesn’t make it the third legend. Going by Patterns that “Mascot” Trios have, it’s very likely there is a third Legend, with a Psychic/Something Typing, which is based on the Earth. Sun/Moon/Earth, the Solar Trinity. And theres evidence to support this which I’ve already stated which you seem to have glanced straight over. In This case, Zygarde Presence means nothing other than it’s in the game.
The World Tree also seems more likely to be connected to Zygarde. Your only arugment is “But Zygarde” when I’ve already explained how both can work
On your idea of Ho-oh howver, I would like to point out that:
a) In Kalos theres the sea spirits den, named after Lugia but we never got Lugia, just the birds
and
b) It’s more likely to be related to the Tower, could be in similair vain, though whether this means Legendary beasts I’m not sure
I said Ground type OR an Earth pokemon
Also, going by your earlier logic on “We already have an earth pokemon” we also already have Moon legends, that isn’t stopping Lunala. Zygarde means nothing in this respect apart from it being part of the plot, though that’s not actually confirmed, just that it plays a role in some way, it could very well be side story. But I’m 100% Sure there will be an Earth Legendary, and come November, we’ll see, and I’f I’m wrong I’ll accept it, the question is, will you accept it if it is Earth?
The World Tree may very well be used to summon Ho-Oh, there’s very concrete evidence I’ve seen that supports this.
Psychic/Ground or Psychic/Grass would make sense for Aristierra (Earth is Tierra in spanish, Terra is italian).
Yes but as mentioned, Solgaleo isn’t fire and Lunala isn’t Dark or Fairy, so we can’t assume it would be a Ground or Water type. And we’ve yet to see Psychic/Poison so it would be pretty cool.
Psychic/Poison -> Contaminated form
Psychic/Grass -> Healed form
Aristotle was apparently the one who introduced the concept of Aether as a fifth element. Seems to me, like that picture might relate to an actual Aether Pokemon, as the leader of the Legendary Trio :S
That’s also a good idea
Each alola starters have only one final evolution but there are minor physical changes when evolved during day or night
Adding to the starters, all three final evolutions undergo an “Enlightenment” phase after using a Z-crystal, similar to Solgaleo and Lunala’s phases
There are only 97 new Pokèmon and 28 Alola forms.
New Pokémon: a boar, a tiki, a cloth, a dolphin and a flamingo.
– Parcuatro, a legendary Grass/Flying based on a flower Bird of Paradise.
– Asterzoid ROCK/FLYING
– Tikiriki GRASS/FIRE
– Triblaze GRASS/FIRE
– Mirori PSYCHIC/STEEL
– Geysaur WATER/DRAGON
– Plesiotorr WATER/DRAGON
– Sandoom GROUND/GHOST
– Cassoul Ground/GHOST
(very probably supposed to be the English names of Sandygast and Palossand, which aren’t correct)
– Dryxop FIRE
– Igneyetor FIRE/STEEL
– Nimiflo FLYING
Malshadow is based on a flying whale, is Psychic/???
Alolan Forms:
– Alolan Jynx is Grass/Psychic
– Alolan Bellsprout, Weepinbell and Victreebel are Grass/Electric
– Alolan Tentacool & Tentacruel are Water/Electric
– Alolan Zubat, Golbat & Crobat are Dark/Ghost
– Alolan Snorlax is Normal/Fighting
– Alolan Oddish, Gloom and Vileplume are Grass/Fairy
– Alolan Dratini, Dragonair and Dragonite are Water/Dragon
PWT and Battle Maison returns and is accessible through S.S. Anne postgame.
Agatha from Kanto is an Island Kahuna
HMs still exist but optional, Pokemon riding costs money. Here are the Pokèmon available for riding as follows:
– Rock Smash: Tauros, Donphan, Lairon, Rampardos, Bouffalant, Tyrunt, Orgurilla/Mudsdale
– Fly: Charizard, Togekiss, Tropius, Staraptor, Braviary, Noivern, Harpicoot
-Surf: Lapras, Mantine, Sharpedo, Floatzel, Carracosta, Aurorus, Porphin
-Rough terrains: Dodrio, Mamoswine, Numel, Bastiodon, Scolipede, Avalugg, Mudsdale
-Dive: Dewgong, Mantine, Sharpedo/Milotic, Gastrodon, Carracosta, Clawitzer, Porphin
-Special: Luxray, Gogoat, Stoutland
Z-Greninja occurs after using a unique Z crystal, distributed as an event
Instead of badges, captains gives you shards which forms into a medal to be used in catching the two legendaries
Chinese Riddler leak? Then believe it 100%. But this just all seems a little too good to be true.
The “leak” is BS, and the Riddler doesn’t leak information in this sense. He only leaves remarks and pictures as hints, doesn’t outright say this or that will be in the game.
Thanks for clarification!
but how does team skull have regular zubats?
Because Team Skull are foreigners. Look at their skin tone and then compare them to Alola natives like Hala, Kukui and Hau. I think they came from another region.
Where is this from? Random leaker? Or Chinese Riddler?
No its a theory going around. Their skin tone is clearly much lighter than that of Alola natives.
but these people are rejects of the Trails.
Yes but that doesn’t necessarily mean they are Alola natives.
so Lana and Electric guy arent from alola?
I dont think they are. Mallow and the Fire captain clearly are though
yea but i dont think skin tone should identify whos from Alola and whos not. yea darker skin tone for tan but still
Alola is a tropical region, so natives will naturally have a more darker skin tone, unless they have a skin condition,
so was hoenn but their skin colors differ
Hoenn is attached to the same mainland as Sinnoh, Kanto and Johto so the conditions are still different. Phoebe the Hoenn e4 member is also from Alola, I’m very positive about this.
Is this true??
They are leaks, so who knows.
And where did you find these?
http://forums.bulbagarden.net/index.php?threads/rumours-fakes-leaks-discussion-thread.214874/
Already debunked as we have normal snorlax and zubat on japanese site.
The Snorlax was owned by a trainer in the game, so that doesn’t debunk it all because it might be a gift from a trainer not native to Alola.
The Snorlax that you get is an evolution of Munchlax that you receive in an in-game event. It evolves, within Alola. If Snorlax was going to have an Alola form, it would have it then, unless Munchlax /and/ Snorlax have Alola forms, which is unlikely, as Snorlax is already listed as its normal form on the Japanese site. Love your theories, but you’re graspin’ at straws on this one.
Alolan Tyranitar? Holy shit I wonder what type it would be.
part Dragon would make sense
I agree, Rock/Dragon would be really great.
ALOLAN HAXORUS?
I’M SCARED BECAUSE IT COULD EASILY BECOME LESS COOL.
But wait: A normal Haxorus can be seen during Battle Royale in the yellow corner…?
these are pokemon that r gonan appear in the region, faded means they have yet to be shown but they will be there
But it states we could expect Alolan forms for them…
um no, PJN is stating thats what it means not the what the riddler is saying
It’s speculation. Riddler only leaves hints and leaves us to figure it out. But then announcements come and confirm hints that he left, that are too out there to be coincidences. Imo, the picture above has nothing to do with who is or isn’t getting Alola forms.
I hope so… I actually don’t want an Alolan Haxorus, especially when it’d lose its Dragon typing.
well. Alolan forms arent always gonna lose their typing, look at exeggutor and Alolan Rattata Kept their typing just gained a dual one
I know that. I’d just hate it if it lost its typing.
Tbh I’d like if Alolan Haxorus became Dragon/Steel.
Especially if it’d look something like this (rf)
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what about a new whale pokemon?
a Killer Whale would be cool
my thoughts
an orca or a narwhal
Water/Ice narwhal
the Left Tooth.
northwal
Cryorca
Submarimon
a narwhal/unicorn 😀
The 3rd legendary is apparently a whale according to the leaks posted below
I think something related to battles exists in Sun and Moon, in the Japanese trailer I saw this dome/stadium thing with Machamp and Hariyama statues on the left and right sides, respectively
Isn’t that the Battle Royale stadium?
Yup, I just discovered that fact.
Interesting that they don’t list Growlthe/Arcanine as having an Alolan form, which is listed in the largely-confirmed Chinese leak. Also, using that logic, where’s Abra/Kadabra/Alakazam? I’m skeptical about this.
If it is true, though then OMG ALOLAN PORYGONS MY FAVORITE EVOLUTIONARY LINE YESSSSSSSSSSS 😀
Last trailer showed a regular alakazam. I think we can put those other leaks to bed.
Or that it already being seen prove nothing, which is what I think.
Arcanine isnt getting a Alolan form. its already on the japanese in the section “pokemon found in alola” and this list doesnt mean Non-Alolan and Alola it means pokemon that are gonna appear but faded means we havent seen them yet
Nope hopes for no Alolan Abra’s!
Where’s Batman when you need him?
Alolan Porygon line should be Electric
Should be Steel.
or Digital in the digiworld 😀
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…wut?
basically nintendo made a runner game out of Mario for mobile phones. They showed it off at the apple press conference thing today.
https://youtu.be/X–aFiN99-8
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I saw this one 4 chan ( if someone posted this im sorry)
>Add a d to her name and you get wicked
>Faba’s italian name is Vicio, add us and you get vicious
And the other is?
Lucifer?