Riddle me this, Zubatman
Some of you may have heard about the mysterious Chinese leaker who hasn’t actually leaked anything concrete, but instead gives clues as to what is in the upcoming Nintendo 3DS titles Pokémon Sun & Moon. They seem eerily accurate in rather unique ways. Here’s most of what they’ve gotten right so far:
- Pyroar & Zubat before the reveal of Solgaleo & Lunaala
- Pikachu covered in a sheet prior to seeing Mimikyu
- Image of rock-paper-scissors and innards (?) before Pyukumuku
- Sandcastle & shovel for Sandygast & Palossand
- A skeleton on cloth for Team Skull
There are still a few unsolved mysteries left to figure out, however. A bust of Aristotle that was posted remains a mystery; some say that Type: Null could be what the Riddler was referring to, others are not as sure. There’s also a grid of Pokémon which shows officially revealed (or, with the starter evolutions, leaked) Pokémon with some teasingly marked with question marks. It even hints that Marshadow may not even be the third legendary, it could simply be an event Pokémon.
Underneath that are also small sprites of Pokémon which may appear in the games (colored) or get an Alolan form (faded). If this is correct, and that is the meaning behind it, we could expect Alolan forms for the following Pokémon:
- Bulbasaur, Ivysaur, Venusaur
- Voltorb, Electrode
- Horsea, Seadra, Kingdra
- Staryu, Starmie
- Porygon, Porygon2, Porygon-Z
- Gen II starters
- Chinchou, Lanturn
- Larvitar, Pupitar, Tyranitar
- Spheal, Sealeo, Walrein
- Axew, Fraxure, Haxorus
- Hawlucha
Certainly would be exciting to see some for Pokémon outside of the original Red & Blue!
They’ve also posted a picture of Anabel who runs the Battle Tower in the Battle Frontier in Pokémon Emerald! Does this mean the Tower returns? Or the whole damn Frontier?! An exciting prospect for many who pined for its return in Omega Ruby & Alpha Sapphire. Junichi Masuda has claimed that its omission had been because players nowadays want faster gratification from their games and he didn’t think it would be widely appreciated.
So what is the current fuss about? It just so happens that the Riddler’s avatar is none other than Colress, a villainous researcher and Team Plasma’s second leader from Pokémon Black 2 & White 2 who sought to unlock the ultimate strength within Pokémon. Definitely Z-Move vibes from his past motivations and he even hinted that he wanted to make a device that allowed humans and Pokémon to communicate; could he have been the developer of the Rotom Dex?!
Some fans even claim that Colress was seen during the recent trailer in the Aether Foundation’s headquarters, but the evidence is tenuous at best.
They’ve also hinted that there may be multiple professors in Alola, but whether this means other professors from previous regions may make an appearance or that Prof. Kukui is not the only Alolan Pokémon professor is still up in the air.
Perhaps the most interesting information is that of the potential Alolan forms, but there’s certainly enough to speculate about for the moment! WHAT DO YOU THINK?!
<3 PJ
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So Tyranitar and Venusaur will have both a mega evolution and a Alola forme? Overpowered much?
That would mean there would have to be alolan forms for their megas too
Not necessarily. Perhaps, because of the micro evolution to the climate, Mega Evolutions are only with the original Pokemon, but then it became a non-visible recessive trait in the Alolan Form, and they lost the ability to Mega Evolve.
It basically may have been bred out of them in Alola.
Mega Evolution isn’t a natural phenomenon, its artificial. Primal Reversion is natural
“Alola form (faded)”
Nope, that just means the pokemon is on the game (not faded) or not (faded). That does not mean they are getting Alola form lul
No doubt that it’s 20 years since Gold and Silver, like it has been 10 years since Diamond and Pearl (possible remake on the way), let’s expect the new game to show hints for Sinnoh, especially when Cynthia is even hinted of her return in this…
But if Venusaur is getting an Alola Form, and if there are Mega Stones in the game (which I doubt), then would that mean we would get a Mega Alolan Venusaur?
Diamond and Pearl remakes 100%. Not officially confirmed, but they’ve done with gen 1, 2 and 3 so 4 will follow.
I actually think we’re gonna get something different than D/P remakes. The new director is clearly determined to breathe new life into Pokémon and step away from the traditional formulas. But also Fire Red and Leaf Green are older than Diamond and Pearl. So ignoring HG/SS it’s been longer since we’ve visited Kanto than Sinnoh. I wouldn’t be surprised to see a two region remake with Sinnoh and Kanto. But maybe I’m thinking too base. Maybe something more original than that will happen. Like a brand new adventure that will span Sinnoh and Kanto.
They could easily do both. There are remakes of RBY, G/S and RSE.
Perhaps they’re making a brand new adventure for the NX. but also remaking gen 4 for the 3DS as final goodbye to that platform and will continue on the NX for future generations (should they ever be made, I dont think it wil)
Maybe so! Ultimately I just love how Ohmori is keeping us on our toes. I’ve never been more excited for the future of Pokémon.
D&p can still be played on 3ds my guess is they be first remakes on the NX
Yes, either way I’m 100% convinced there will be gen 4 remakes
Hawlucha ? it’s my favorite Pokemon
Oh please let the Hawlucha one be true. And I still want my Water/Poison blue ringed Octillery.
wow and i recently bought zubatman shirt
What about Johto Starters? no Mega but maybe Alola
Forms???
I honestly can’t see them giving one starter (Bulbasaur family) Alolan forms without the other Kanto starters getting them too…. I know Venusaur makes the most sense to have one because of the climate etc, but I can’t imagine them favouring one starter like that
i think the other two will get forms aswell but i really hope for The Johto Starters gets forms too
I still think the Johto starters are getting megas. Gen 1 and gen 3 starters got one as well.
Personally I do feel like only Kanto Pokemon will be getting Alolan forms, but who knows…. I do want a Fairy Meganium or Dark Feraligatr though, that’d be sweet
that would be epic
They already favored charizard with 2 megastar and now being a rideable pokemon
Guys!!! New ALOLAN FORM!
Wait what? As in revealed?
RF………
i went by know your meme this morning and quite literally all Wicke fan art has her how i say…..busting out
What do you mean?
Jazz in my Pants! lol
Huh?
Jinkees!
Totally unrelated to this article, but 7 in Japanese mythology represents ending or a finished product. Just putting it out there.
Tell that to the final fantasy, mario, zelda, and the hundred other unending japanese franchises.
Got some evidence for that belief?
Pls.
We need the Battle Frontier… they could’ve returned because all the complaints.
I doubt the sprites can represent Alola forms and obtainable Pokemon because a) No Rattata/Raticate, b) Persian and Eggseggcute aren’t there, despite Cubone being present.
Oh the Riddler. He’s been around for a while and is leaking at it’s finest lol I think the only thing I really don’t want is for BF to come back….I know I know it’s an unpopular stance, but it’s one I truly believe in. I always found the BF soooooo boring…..Horde modes in certain games can be fun, but Pokemon is a turn by turn game…..I really don’t find anything gratifying about battling over 100 people in a row….It’s just tedious to me. Anyway…..with those gripes out of the way the Riddler has been a very interesting leaker. Do we know for sure that the faded sprites could mean forms? I don’t see any other Pokemon that DO have forms faded to corroborate that. Also I think the grid is outdated. I believe he added the new Pokemon from yesterday to it too. In the new version he has UB-01 next to Aristotle and they don’t seem to have a dividing line between them that would lead me to believe that they are connected.
Some of us at bulbagarden already put together the aristotle statue either means the ultra beasts or Type: Null. Both answers sill link back the Aether foundation in our minds.
Yeah Bulbagarden is where I saw that. I’ve even noticed you posting there hahaha
I still think it’d be screwed up if Aether played God like that. If anything I find it funny that some people actually think Team Skull made Null.
it seems like a coincidence to me
All of it or just some? The Riddler’s been calling stuff left and right more or less since before we had any solid news. It’s hard to believe someone could be THAT lucky and have all of what they’re saying just coincidentally match up with real stuff…….
i want my alolan seel
You do. It’s called Popplio.
Doesnt count.
ill be very surprised if only one gen 1 starter line gets a alolan form. idk it just doesnt sound like pokemon without a charizard pasted somewhere
Yeah but charizard has already gotten so much attention
Charizard base form is already too powerful and it got 2 mega evolutions. Why would it get an Alola forme as well? Literally overkill.
Charizard is already made of some hardy stuff so it could probably survive in Alola as is. Blastoise is a turtle so it could fare well in Alola’s waters. Venusaur’s the only one I can see making sense that it would adapt to Alola’s environment.
the Alola region serves no extremes that would cause them to alter
Venusaur are naturally attuned to the lush tropical climate
Charizard enjoy rugged dry areas such as volcanic cliffs and craters
and Alola’s beaches are heaven for Blastoise
they just don’t need to change
http://i.imgur.com/RyAqT9k.jpg
Digging around, this is a more updated version of that Pokemon list. It appears the Aristotle bust was actually hinting towards Ultra Beasts, along with Aether, since Aether is the 5th element in Alchemy.
As for the list of colored and faded Pokemon, the popular opinion going around is that the ones that are colored are the Pokemon we’ve seen in trailers, and the faded ones are Pokemon that will appear as well. I can’t really comment on that tho because I don’t feel like watching all the trailers to correlate the Pokemon to those seen on the list.
Anyway, The Riddler has been a very credible leaker for these games, and the fact he posted a picture of Anabel I feel is huge news about the Frontier. Wait and see of course…now if only he could post a picture of France and make my dreams come true ;~;
did you hear my theory that the Aether Foundation is trying to create genetically perfect Pokemon that if pokemon were resiliant and resistant to pain or damage there’d be no more suffering
i based this because as you said Aether is the fifth element and they in mythology it was also refereed as quintessence which has all that alchemy mumbo jumbo, but most importantly “it was thought to be the pure essence that the gods breathed, filling the space where they lived” so its easy to theorize that the Aether Foundation are godlike trying to watch over mortals, but also this could also stem off and they try to make Pokemon just as godlike
I did not, but I like the sounds of it! Honestly after yesterday, I am at a loss theory wise, my brain is just caput after the curveball we got thrown. Here I am just hoping Kalos returns, and suddenly there’s the Aether Foundation. Combine that with Sina and Dexio having us look for Zygarde, Ultra Beasts, the Tapu guardians, Team Skull, and heck even Solgaleo and Lunala’s relevance and I’m just struggling to find out how everything fits! xD We are in for one heck of a story, that is for sure
that we are
I NEED MY GROUND/FIGHTING TYPE NOW!!!!
seriously my team is extremely malnourished
Litten/Popplio
Rockruff
and lastly Mudbray
i may pick up a Jangmo-o since i can’t ignor a warrior’s stride
Ground/Fighting would be a great combo, surprised it hasn’t been done before.
My team atm is:
Rowlet
Rockruff
Alola Ninetales
Jangmo-o (who I really hope becomes Dragon/Steel)
Pokemon I’m considering include Bewear, Wishiwashi, and Salandit.
yeah but i just want them to do it right
because they’re going to need on hella of a advanatge to overcome our Water heavy meta and to be fair
Ground/Fighting offers a crapton of weaknesses Water, grass, ice, psychic, flying and fairy……….
mine would be
Warhog
Guts/Sheer Force
HP: 120
Atk: 145
Def: 100
Sp. Atk: 30
Sp. Def: 95
Speed: 70
Did you hear my theory that Null is a failed clone of Arceus?
yeah yeah i noticed the spiked pegs on the collar
Masuda didn’t put the battle frontier in ORAS because he didn’t think it would be appreciated..? Bullshit because everyone wanted it. And given the picture of Anabel, I’m going to be upset if all they give us is the battle tower. I just never liked that facility. Aside from that, alolan forms for Venusaur and Tyranitar seems odd. They both have megas and would need alolan forms of those too. I would love Colress to reappear though. He was interesting in that he wasn’t really a villain but was just kinda using team plasma for their resources.
well technically this was Ruby and Sapphire and the battle frontier didn’t exist until prior the events of Emerald
That’s not really a reason though. HG/SS had Crystal features.
like?
Suicune and Eusine, Battle tower in Crystal (which was updated to frontier for HGSS), Buenas password, Crystals in-game trades, maybe other stuff.
well to be fair
crystal isn’t a sequel it’s a .5 sister version
Well yes, but Emerald is the same thing. It only slightly altered the story. I mean, it’s like saying we shouldn’t expect a BF in D/P remakes because it was only in Platinum and not D/P.
Also, the Battle Tower was in R/S, just like it was in Crystal. They could’ve gone the extra mile like they did in HG/SS and upgraded it to the BF. But they didn’t even give us the Battle Tower in ORAS. They just copy/pasted the stupid maison. And yes, you could argue they just copy/pasted the BF from Platinum into HG/SS but they at least made the effort in the first place to update the BF from Emerald to Platinum. Honestly, there is just no excuse in my book. I still like ORAS a lot, but including the BF would’ve made it a near perfect game for me.
Thats because ORAS are not 100% remakes of Ruby and Sapphire. I mean they are gen 3 remakes obviously, but set in an alternate timeline, at least that what I think.
But they set the rules so it’s not like, “well the BF wasn’t in R/S so we don’t even have to bother.” They included features that weren’t in R/S like soaring and stuff so I don’t think BF gets a pass.
Well the Battle Frontier did feature in ORAS technically, but as a prototype in small scale size in the Resort.
But I wanna go there! >:I
You will in Sun and Moon, and it’ll be even more amazing with these graphics ^_^
I really hope so! I was too young and inexperienced to fully appreciate the BF from HGSS. Now I want to give it another go in better graphics and mechanics.
Same! I won’t lie I was disappointed it wasn’t in ORAS, because I to wanted to conquer it now that I have a much better understanding of competitive Pokemon =/ But now I can look back and say yeah, if it’s in Sun and Moon instead, with THESE graphics, I’m all in xD
It’s strange how something so unimportant to the story is so loved by fans 🙂 For me the grandeur of it all it so exciting. It’s like a big beautiful theme park for only the best of trainers.
That’s exactly it! And then the music ;~; Omg, it’s such a great place
Ugh, now I have to go listen to the music. I just realized the maison leaders use updated frontier brain music and I’m a bit upset.
I love that remix ! ;~; Yeah it’s not their theme, it’s sorta like looking at Wallace and saying “How dare you stand where he stood” as that meme so eloquently states xD But damn, it’s a great remix.
Is that a Harry Potter reference?
http://i.imgur.com/wi3UM0C.png
Yes 🙂
Omg yesss
GameFreak has always copy and pasted tbh. They didn’t do anything differently in ORAS that they didn’t already do in previous games. The only reason HGSS had a Battle Frontier was because it came after Platinum, which it was designed for. If HGSS came first, 100% they are copy and pasting the Battle Tower from Diamond and Pearl instead. With the Maison in ORAS, they copy and pasted it from XY, which is an improvement to the original RS considering Maison is a better version of the Battle Tower. Also, I think it’s clear they wanted to save the Frontier for these games.
Honestly, my only complain with ORAS is that it didn’t have Gym Leader rematches, even tho them being in Trainers Eye shows they were at least planned.
Yeah, no gym leader matches was disappointing. I gave it a -0.2 for that and -1 for no BF
I think GameFreak is paying more attention to the timeline aspect of things. 100% the Frontier will be in Sun and Moon, which I still deem as the 3rd games to XY, even tho it’s a new generation. Clearly continuing the story XY started.
Yeah, I noticed that too. Well if they told us in ORAS that it’s under construction they better follow through on that.
Also, the Frontier should absolutely be returning. I don’t buy that interview with Masuda, I still own it up to a mistranslation from multiple times over, or just not wanting to tip hands as to what they had in store for the future. But ORAS dropped so many hints to the Frontier returning, something GameFreak does all the time, but they outright told us it was basically coming back and to stay tuned.
– Battle Tower model on Battle Resort, with a sign that says the Battle Frontier project has started.
– References to Brandon in both XY and ORAS.
– NPC says scouting of the “Pike Queen” is done, and will anyone else measure up to Scott’s expectations.
– Battle Chatelaine Morgan has this to say in ORAS after defeating her in Super Rotation:
“Just the outcome I would expect… Honestly, I’m not telling fibs! You really are the Trainer I thought you were, aren’t you now, pet? Heh heh… Might I ask something? Would you consider becoming the owner here? Me sisters and I have to be returning to our Battle Maison in Kalos someday. I suppose we’d feel safe trusting you with the Battle Maison name. There would also be the matter of our plans to build an even more impressive battle facility in the area. If we get our ducks in a row now, we may make oodles when we leave here. No more talk about it now, but do consider the idea, won’t you, pet? Well then, I wait eagerly for our next battle and for your favorable reply!”
This is basically the most accurate leaker, followed by the Chinese leaker. I believe he also posted images of a sea cucumber and a fist, hinting towards Pyukumuku. I guess Rockruff only has one who that their going to reveal in the CoroCoro next week. Does anyone remember the leak which hinted towards time being different in the both games?
It was the same leak that mentioned Pykumuku, snowman, rugby monkey and a dolphin I think
We can’t take what this guy says as 100% accurate, he forgot to add cutiefly’s evolution on his first version of this ‘riddle’.
http://i.imgur.com/D68PuWs.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/TOj8O0f.jpg
We’ve already seen Tyranitar and Haxorus via Battle Royal, and they don’t look very Alolan to me ?
Also cuteyfly has an evolution
What in the fucking hell is this? Are these actual designs of the evolutions past the Jangmo-o it’s actual evolutions? If so, they look retarted as hell. I’m so confused.
no. hes not leaking anything concrete hes putting hints out
Oh, so those images past Jangmo-o are not actual evolutions. They’re just placeholders? Or what their design could beased on?
its most likely a hint towards whats it design is gonna be based around
Why the fuck would be getting boy/girl based branched Evolution and then why would Jangmo-o’s final evolution be branched? If this all comes true, this is so retarted and I may have to cancel my pre-order. A dragon, then a sword? WTF?
… dude calm down you have yet to see its design idk why your flipping out over a hint.
You would cancel your preorder or something so trivial? Really? -_-
yea i agree with you. he think its gonna become a legit sword not something based around a sword
Dude. The sword is a reference to what it will be. Do you really think we’re gonna have a rugby player and then a monkey? No. We’re supposed to get a mix. They’re just pictures. Of real life things to reference the evolutions. Calm down.
Cancel your pre order but only you will be missing out on the best pokemon games ever lol
Uhhhhh thats not a sword, its a scepter with a crown on it. So its evolution will probably be based off of the “Royalty theme” Like it becomes a “Royal Knight” when it hits it’s final evo. And that I can totally get behind. 😀
BRUH, you always be freaking out. Calm yourself. These are just hints. It could all be bullshit, who knows.
I was thinking the exact same thing lol
Imagine an alolan bulbasaur that grows a volcano on its back
And a water dragon charizard
And grass steel? Idk blastoise
Dat be coo
But the alolan bulbasaur could totally work because grass poison sucks and the poison could be changed into idk, maybe just pure grass? I love pure grass…
All the johto starters have only one type each so just throw on another type and we gucci
And blastoise can recieve the treatment next gen, whatever other wacky ideas theyll spew out next
aether => plasma UNOVA confirrrmed
I definitely feel Colress is connected to Aether.
So Alola formes are basically Delta Pokemon from the TCG?
yes
ALOLAN VENUSAUR IS GETTING ME HYPED AS HELL
well, down below @TCMets:disqus made a good point these could also be pokemon that will appear in later trailers, and in-game.
Oh ok, that makes sense
not trying to burst your bubble or anything just making sure you dont get disappointed if we dont get a alolan venasaur
Yeah, it’s fine. Alolan Venusaur would’ve been nice but an Alolan form being limited to just one of the Kanto starters doesn’t make sense so ehhh
yea because charizard would get 7 alolan forms before venasaur even gets 1