No Alolan Arcanine? What is going on?!

Today the Japanese Pokémon Sun & Moon official site updated and added Arcanine to the list of Pokémon featured from past generations, along with highlights such as Zubat and Psyduck. Up until this point, many fans have been going off the idea that these Pokémon would not be getting separate Alolan forms since some of them have already been seen as their past-selves in official trailers or pre-release materials. We’ve already seen many Zubats in Alola that are no different than the ones we’ve been seeing for the last twenty years.

Why is this a problem? Because several leaks which have included confirmed information that was not publicly known have also said that Arcanine will be getting a Water-type Alolan form.

Personally, I’m relishing this little plot twist because it gives us something to puzzle over before we get any official answers. Did the leakers add in fake Alolan forms? Will Alola be home to both regular and region-specific forms for the same Pokémon? Are some Alolan forms only accessible after certain conditions are met or even saved for post-game?

Keep these mysteries coming! Tell us what you think in the comments!!

<3 PJ

 

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651 thoughts on “No Alolan Arcanine? What is going on?!”

  1. I hope that the leaker is either lying or has really poor drawing skills, because what the fuck are these things?! They look disgusting! The female fire pig is bipedal (of course). Why can’t we for fucking once have a non-bipedal pig? And all of the information sounds very outlandish or fantasy-like and drawing them is usually a red flag to me. After the Rainbow Greninja leak, I’m not taking any stock into anything except if it comes from that Chinese leaker.

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  2. I just noticed something, with the exception of Sandslash line all the Alola pokemon forms are types that are seen as special types and not physical and even then ice is still considered a special type, now I know that at this point nothing is really special or physical anymore but I just thought it was interesting, like we haven’t seen any types really in the alola forms that are commonly associated with physical.

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    • I want more new physical attacks
      Seriously the only new Ground and Rock moves are legend exclusive or borderline useless

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      • Aren’t almost all ground and rock moves physical though? like yeah bring on more for sure but Id love to see more of both for types that are lacking, more physical ones for fairy, more special ones for fighting or like normal or some thing idk

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        • Well I meant in general new physical attacks
          And for ground and rock
          All new ones Rototiller, Land’s wrath thousand wave/arrows are all for zygarde
          And as for rock Diamond Storm

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          • thats fair, rototiller is ok though I mean it can be breed into quite a few pokemon, but its really only handy if you breed it into a grass pokemon like paras or cacnea, otherwise why bother lol unless its on a grass team

  3. honestly i love these just because rumors are fun. they were fun in High school and they’re fun now. obviously no leak is bible but I’m sketchy about this one just because of sandygast. would they make muk ground when thats pretty much Sandygast? the more alolan forms the better imo but i just hope Muk isn’t ground type like in that fan game, i forget which it was.

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  4. Well going back to my fill the Pokedex quest I need less than 100 I’ using my fair way of GTS meaning give off well trained strong Pokemon that I got from trade for one I need like Garchomp to get a Drowzee for example

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  5. Well what about Alolan Raichu? Pikachu evolves into that right? So what if Alolan evolving happens a certain way. Meaning we can have both.

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    • Perhaps a hint that their first stage evolution’s are going to be the next update? Perhaps along side Rockruff’s evolution?

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    • Very interesting…….I suppose it does make sense for them to talk about the starters as well if they are gonna start focusing on Rockruff. Due to them supposedly being connected and all lol

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  6. Why are you people getting soooo confused over Alolan formes ?! Basically, it’s a way Nintendo and Game Freak found to make us buy Blue Red or Yellow from the eshop , along with an annual pokebank registration. Literally the first thing they said about SM is that they’ll be compatible via pokebank with the virtual console games. Alolan Arcanine is not being deconfirmed if the regular one appears on the site . They probably used all these Kanto pokemon to attract new players(like new *new* players) that got into the series thanks to Pokemon GO. Seeing a blue floating on water arcanine just after catching a regular one in go would confuse most of the newbies. I believe it will be revealed soon , along with all the infos this leaker gave us ( I think he only has access to a couple of videos when they are near official release)
    Now I’ve never believed a rumor before , except for the final starter evolutions , just because i got so much popplio , rowlet and litten vibe from them , something only TPC can do , and I’m getting those vibes now too . So either the leaker is an extremely talented artist that has studied and copied the way pokemon are designed , or the leaks are real .

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  7. so hurrahs are in order
    i done finally got my gaming pc built and slowly downloading my many numerous clients and games

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  8. So I decided to replay Platinum finally, and will do it with my preferred team, my favorite Pokemon/starter/leading lady since Yellow version, the Sinnoh starters (IMO Gen 4 had the best selection of starters since RBY), Staraptor (best regional flying type), and my favorite pseudo legendary, Garchomp! Can’t wait to finally go through it! And then I plan to FINALLY tackle Pokemon White 2 after letting it collect dust for almost 4 years (I kid you all not, its still in the shrink wrap!). Anyways, feel free to give me tips in Platinum, like natures and moves, if you want a detailed map of my team do ask 😉 Cheers!

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  9. I’m conflicted. On one hand, more arcanine love. On the other hand, the run the risk of ruining it, and if it is cool, it might become one of those pokemon that everyone loves so it becomes overrated. If that even makes any sense.

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  10. I talked about this before in some previous comments. I think it’s about 50/50 right now. GameFreak/Pokemon Company has already stated that you must use the older games to receive the non-Alolan forms of Pokemon. We’ve already seen a regular Arcanine in the trailer with Rockruff, so I feel that a Water-Type Alolan Arcanine may not happened. Yet, it might just be GameFreak using a placeholder, but I doubt it. Not everything from a leak will be correct, so it’s another wait and see situation.

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    • I wouldn’t take trailer battle footage too seriously unless they were trainer battles. They literally add any pokemon they please in those battles. For all we know they only added Arcanine to make a battle of the dogs setting.

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      • For Alolan and non-Alolan Pokemon? It would just allow you to send both and search by Forms and Region so you could find the Alolan and Non-Alolan Forms.

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    • I think one of the things we need to think about is the fact that you’d never find a wild Arcanine in the first place. It’s unlikely they’ll ever do that with or without Alolan forms. So the fact that we saw one in a trailer is almost meaningless to some degree. I’d say no matter what it’s obviously a placeholder. lol

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  11. Since everyone moved pages, I wanted to post this on the last page with the leaks. I absolutely love the artwork, but I cannot shrug the feeling that this is just some fan-artist going into the realm of fake leaks. His/her art is outstandingly good, I especially love the Alolan Arcanine. Yet, so many things contradict with the Chinese Leaker or is just pulled from the “Rainbow Greninja” rumour that was already proven false. Right now, the only leaks I believe are the Chinese Leaker and no one else. I guess it’s a temporary wait and see till early September to validate it. In the next CoroCoro we will be seeing Rockruff’s evolution, we could judge from there forward.

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    • I hope this leak is fake. The evolution of the pig Pokemon is not quadrupedal and looks ugly as fucking all get out. With the all the rumors going around as of late and as we near the peak of Sun and Moon’s release, I agree. The only one I believe completely is the Chinese leak. With all the drama in the past several “leaks” that ended up being false, the most recent being that of the “Rainbow Greninja” leak and the 4chan Dex leak of 103 Pokemon, I’m not taking any chances or putting any stock into this at all, unless we are told otherwise. Won’t have to wait long as September is around the corner. Usually, the indicators for me for fake text leaks are the ones with outlandish ideas or fantasy ideas (stuff that everyone usually wants) to make the leak more convincing. Drawing the Pokemon is also a red flag, at least to me. But I guess we’ll have to wait likely until September 1st.

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      • Why are you so scorn over one pokemon. Even if one’s fake you’re bound to hate another. So why wish a whole thing was fake over one pokemon?

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  12. I see some discussion about how and why Alolan Arcanine would be water type. I also have seen a lot of disdain for Alolan forms that don’t offer a *subjectively “satisfactory” explanation for their changes. So as a lover of all things science, biology and evolutionary study included, I’d like to offer a reason.

    First and foremost this is a children’s game designed for people who are 8 and up. But as there are fans that have older tastes and a desire for deeper lore and world building there’s more to it.

    Within our understanding of evolution there are cases of animals evolving certain adaptations that on the surface seem entirely implausible. For example; all life started in the oceans if leading elvelutionary theory is to be believed, as such it makes little worlds sense for the fish that first started to move to land to develop lungs. And I mean it makes little sense in the “it shouldn’t have been possible considering they would die before being able to reproduce” sort of way.

    However if you factor in that this process took millions of years it becomes more plausible. another thing you must consider is that the animal that first walked on land and the one that swam in the sea are still connected by DNA. So imagine, an original Arcanine… One that was not water OR FIRE. We could assume it was normal type. This Arcanine species evolved to become the fire type of many many years. However in select regions (like Alola) these same pre-fire type Arcanine evolved adaptations to be diferent types, like water type in Alola instead.

    This theory could further be supported by the fact that within the Pokemon world Normal type Pokemon are the second most common type. They are second only to water which also makes sense if in the Pokemon world life started in the oceans as well.

    This would mean that every single Pokemon on land started out as the normal type and other types evolved from adaptation. Just as all animals on earth started out walking on land and over time evolved other means of transportation, (i.e burrowing, slithering, climbing, hopping, and flying)

    As for Alolan raichu’s psychic typing, we don’t really know how humans evolved consciousness either. And the theories we’ve come up with to explain it are honestly just as silly

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    • tl:dr for those who don’t read:

      Pokemon adapting could be like real evolution. As it took millions of years for fish to go to land and get lungs. So all land Pokemon started as normal types, then they adapted to the region in which they lived. So normal Arcanine branched into Water and Fire Acrcanine

      Hopefully I got that right

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    • I have been thinking along the same lines since the Alolan forms were first announced.

      I mentioned something about how a single species separated geographically will eventually evolve into two separate distinct species. Albeit over millions years. And this is the only way Alolan forms make sense to me.

      I can’t accept that the Alolan forms were orginally the Gen 1 Pokemon, but I can accept that they and the Gen 1 Pokemon had a common ancestor, and due to geographical separation they evolved differently.

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    • Great explanation, I noticed a lot of people on the site that hated the alola forms because they didn’t make any sense scientifically couldnt really think outside of the box at all, its a trait that I see in many science students and it makes me sad because if you believe the breakthroughs we have had in science up until now are 100% explained and true you’ll never achieve any new breakthroughs, its why I think all science majors should have to take a mandatory philosophy of science course, because without it they are not really using their minds to think beyond what we have already learned, just taking what we already know and running with it. So in a sense for those people, don’t complain about how the alola forms don’t make sense just because you’re stuck in a certain way of thinking. 🙂

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      • This is literally exactly how I feel about about science. While I love learning things in science I never really take them as complete fact. Most are theories. For example although we teach it in schools and everything technically evolution is a theory. It has all kinds of evidence but there are also parts to it that can’t be explained, like the consciousness example I stated earlier. And with a more open and flexible mindset science really is amazing and so much fun. Just thinking about all the possibilities! 😀

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    • I just tell people, “Two words: Galapagos Finches” and, barring the ones who then ask for an explanation, that usually shuts them up. That’s a great intricate explanation though.

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      • I was inititially going to just say Galapagos Finches actually lol. especially since their island setting matches Alola’s. But then thought that some people might need a deeper explanation.

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  13. I’m literally weak with how good Pokémon is right now. I know some of you watch it, but if you don’t DO. You will not regret this. The latest episode is just incredible.

    Team Flare is actually the best villanous team ever. It feels like a much more mature anime, with the themes of death and destruction.

    By GOD its good. Each week I look forward to it more than the last ?

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        • Maybe I’ll get to it someday. I’m currently trying to watch the entire series (am skipping Unova) because they’re releasing all the seasons on DVD every couple months 🙂

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          • That’s cool ! I wish we got the DVDs here. I have the originals on DVD up to but not including johto. That’s certainly going to be some good viewing time for you haha 🙂

          • It is! There’s some adult jokes in the early seasons haha. Plus it’s nice to be reminded why I love Misty 🙂

          • Definitely not. There were actually a lot of guns in the first season, and I don’t think they’d get away with that today

          • Yeah ! The episode called “Ghost of Maidens Peak” if I recall has some mad stuff. Great lines, by jessie and Misty over the Gastly tricking James and Brock and them falling in love with it haha. Then we have the classic monster Venustoise and the real animals like a mongoose. I miss those silly but fun moments. 🙂

          • I can guarantee you’ll enjoy the 5 regions, a little tip is to watch XY and XYZ in Japanese, it’s a lot better

    • I’m sticking with the English dub. sometime I’ll watch anime in both dubs, but Pokemon is close enough I really don’t care lol

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    • Did you see the preview for next week? Looks like Ash-Greninja will again tap into new form of power. Why couldnt they do this last week?

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        • Oh I already have watched the episode, and it looks cool. I like how they are hinting at the Gym Leaders and everyone else important will play a role

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          • Yes ! That’s my favourite thing. I hope it is like BW story when they come in to “save” the day. The idea behind it is very cool haha.

          • You know when you think about it BW and XY’s amines and games are flipped lol. BW had a dissapointing anime but great games, while XY had slightly dissapointing games but a awesome anime

          • I’ve been really thinking about this lately too! Suppose Sun and Moon rectify this by giving us both a good game plot AND a good anime 😀

          • Hopefully, I don’t want any “Ash’s Pikachu looses to a Level 1 Grubbin”. But as for the game so far it looks great, save for Bewear and Bruxish.

          • Good point actually 🙂 BW really disappointed me and the league. My God. I was in disbelief when I was watching it. It was like a slow motion car wreck haha.

          • I was angry but laughing at that battle Ash lost in the League. He placed a Oshawott against a pseudo-legendary and lost to a newly evolved Lucario, like just evolve yer mons for the love of Pokemon!

          • I know. I really thought he was going to at least get Emboar. But nope haha. My favourite thing about it all was just the 5v6 it was just so outrageous and even more so to have him lose haha? Thank God that times passed lol

          • Amen to that, now he’s got a badass water ninja frog capable of making a giant orange shruiken 3-4 times his height, a Luchador bird capable of wrecking megas and kicking the shit out of Heliolisks, a Wyvern bat that is almost even with the legendary of a storm and can blast sound waves, a slimy, but tank af dragon that makes bide seem OP, a fire falcon that was almost on par with a legendary phionex and was the ace in Ash’s gyms, and an electric, eternal rodent that not only redeemed itself for the monstrosity that was the Unova League, but also able to take out 2 pseudos and inflicting damage on a plot armor Charizard

          • Oh ok, that’s perfectly fine. XY seemed a little lackluster compared to what BW gave us in my opinion, but still a great game.

    • I haven’t really watched the anime since some of the Diamond/Pearl series. But I couldn’t wait to watch the Team Flare arc after seeing the coming attractions of it. And after watching yesterday’s episode, even tho I couldn’t understand a word, I was just left thinking, WHERE WAS THIS IN THE GAMES THIS IS SO COOL xD

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  14. It’s weird on the Japanese website how they show the pre-evolutions for some on the as the main thing. For example subway and dragonite. Why not crobat as the main one. Also spearow, why not fearow

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  15. Let me give you guys my two cents. Arcanine being on the site doesn’t prove or disprove anything. Wanna know why? Cause no way Arcanine is going to appear in the wild. Pokemon evolutions that evolve via stone usually don’t. Only reason we saw it the trailer was because it’s a formatted battle. It held no importance. Same goes for many other battles in the trailers where random fully evolved pokemon were in the most weirdest areas. So my guess is them appearing on the site is just something to kill time by pointing out pokemon that have appeared in trailers. Hence why they say “they appeared” on the japanese twitter instead of appeared in Alola. Guarantee you Gengar line and Primape line are going to appear on the site next.

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    • Furthermore, the Arcanine that appeared was lvl 20 (iirc). Now I’m not saying it’s impossible for a wild Arcanine to appear, but if it did, there’s no way it’d be lvl 20. Hence, we can conclude that (as you said), it was a formatted battle.

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  16. Hello PJ ppl …could u help to fix text to look more like writing by native english speaker?….I mean the grammar u can change the sentence if u want.

    Dex entry:” due to it can’t trust by itself turns it to become very offensive, Burnien likes to win against these pokemons which super effective against it, Burnien produce flame from the spot on its paw.

    Burnien can cause an explosive impact by using its flammable thrust .”

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  17. You know, didn’t they say that GO would be compatible with Sun and Moon as well. That could also be another way to transfer older non-Alola Pokemon in S/M, without buying another game

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