RUMOR ALERT: The information contained in this post is based on speculation, not fact. Please treat it as such and do not interpret it is confirmed news.
A user on an anonymous image board has posted what purports to be the full Alolan Pokédex, excluding new “Alolan forms” of previously released Pokémon. If it is correct, there are 103 new Pokémon in the Alola region which would be 30 more new Pokémon than X & Y and roughly the same amount as Gold & Silver. There are, however, many evolution families listed which appear to have different forms for the same Pokémon.
IMPORTANT NOTE: Screw. The. Leakers. I will not be covering the names or any other information about this “leak” because there is too much risk considering the advanced information that has already made its way to the public from the Chinese rumors. We’re still too far away from the release of these games to ruin everything for fans. There’s a difference between enjoying speculation and rumors (which we do) and spoiling everything online (which they do). There is a line of what I think is fun pre-release hype and what is stupidly early to reveal, and I think this is one of those things that crosses that for me. Hope you guys understand and perhaps even agree. If we hadn’t gotten such credible leaks this year I’d have no qualms about posting it for dissection.
<3 PJ
FEATURED DISCUSSION: What Are You Listening To?










@rockcrawdaunt If you are still here, I could give you a cottonee?
I would totally take that.
I don’t think I have you, FC? Also do you mind that it is Lv. 23?
FC: 4785-4857-4656
Not at all. Im just against “illegal” pokemon because I dont want to screw up my system, plus id rather know that I got these pokemon from a person or in the wild and not a hack. Anything you want in return? My friend code is 3454-2147-0025.
And if you ever find a blitzle, let me know. Im forever grateful!
Just give me any random Pidgey or Scatterbug, it doesn’t matter me. I’m online whenever you are ready.
Okay, my software needs a quick update. Do you know if it has prankster or not?
It does, is that fine?
Perfect. 😀
Thanks so much!
No problem! 😀 I’ll see about that Blitzle, but no promises.
No worries! It would just be replacing magnezone. Though I do plan to have a few pokemon on the side to rotate through. XD
Whimsicott will be a nice replacement for florges.
I’m pretty sure the best form of Darline/Darwisker (aka the breed cats) will be the Normal/Ghost form, as it has only one weakness (dark) and it has a plethora of immunities (normal ghost fighting) and resistances (bug poison)
Plus a ghost cat sounds amazing in terms of design *o*
I hope this supposed cat has actual design changes and not just color changes.
That would be so disappointing.
Im making more shinies. anyones you wanna see? I made a shiny mudsdale http://i.imgur.com/n7ePk28.jpg
Make shiny Oricorios!
Also nice job!
Lol im having alot of fun so ill do all 4 ill be back soon
I wish I could see them D: I have to go and I won’t be back for a few days.
Hopefully you’ll show me them when I come back :3
look at that horse that horse is amazing
Reminds me of shiny lucario 🙂
I like these colours better than its original ones, good job
I don’t believe there may ever be a Pokémon called `Delfin`, which is the exact spanish translation for Dolphin.
It would sound very weird (and simple) when playing the game in spanish.
So, I am starting to have my doubts about these leaks.
They did keep Dialga’s name even though they thought it might sound weird to spansih speakers (it sounds like alga, meaning seaweed)
It does not sound weird in spanish, it is original and it’s not an existing word.
Not like Delfin. Delfin is literally a translation, no original name. I also doubt that it could be trademarked.
According to Junichi Masuda’s blog, the Spanish translation team suggested changing Dialga’s name for the reason stated above but he decided not to, what I was saying is they don’t care what sounds weird in Spanish.
well, they should care if the name is a direct translation. so the leaks are probably fake. otherwise it will sound a bit ridiculous.
If these are real it doesn’t matter what it means in Spanish, the other major markets don’t care
we’ll see on friday…
True True.
What’s happening on Friday?
A new trailer will be published with new info, so there we will see if any of those new leaked Pkm. are true or not.
Oh, cool! Thanks
I do agree that it would be a very strange name to go with (I am a native spansih speaker myself btw) but I just don’t know how much they care.
Seel. That is all
the animal name it’s written Seal actually, and I guess pronounced slightly different.
But Delfin is not the spanish name for this pokemon. Do pokemon usually get a different name in spanish? I searched a few and they all had the same. Still…
Nope, we’ve always got the english names
Mimikyu, Pachirisu, Togedemaru, the list can go.
they might be compound names…
They are full on japanese names.
I think you are wrong, they are derived names, or check Bulbapedia. http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Togedemaru_(Pok%C3%A9mon)#Name_origin
They’re Japanese. Mimi means ear, Toge means spike, Maru means round. Dunno about the other parts but I guarantee you they’re Japanese. Pika means flash, Chu means squeek. Rai means thunder. The ones that don’t count are plusle, minun and emolga. Dedenne is ambiguous.
Persian says hi. Also Golem if you want to really stretch it.
maybe it would have a different name in spanish
They don’t do that though, they haven’t before :p They keep their English names.
ahhh, all of them? wow ok 😛 I thought at least some would be different
Tirtouga? It’s basically almost the exact same situation, only very slightly different from the real spanish spelling. It still has essentially the same pronunciation as “Tortuga”
Oh yeah, I forgot about that one lol.
The name is quite bad.
aren’t the Japanese pokemon like this?
yeah there are a few off the top of my head that are like that, haunter (ghost), charmeleon (lizard), raticate (rat), and kling (gear)
Yeah, and then you have the legendary birds, for example, which are just pseudo-anglicized Japanese of the words Freezer, Thunder, and Fire.
They are most definitely not above being very basic with names.
Actually Raticate is Ratta, which is slightly different because the way Japanese would say Rat is Ratto. Gosto, Rizardo and Giaru are right though. Also Sandshrew is Sando, Beedrill is Supia (spear), Avalugg is Kurebesu (Crevice), Pigeotto is Pijyon (Pigeon) etc
Then again, in English pokemon Gastly is a misspelling of Ghastly, Ekans is snake backwards, Espurr is Esper, Klink is Clink, Klang is Clang, Purrloin is Purloin etc.
Ultimately all the names are just portmanteaus, puns or similar wordplay. After a time you end up looking past it because your brain associates the word to the image of the pokemon. Without the image you notice the wordplay more.
One thing that makes this seem less convincing to me…where are the fossil Pokemon?
I just made that exact same observation!
Assuming this is real (which I’m not so sure of) I had the idea that maybe they will pic some of the older fossils and make them have Alolan forms. That would in a way take the place of brand new fossils lol
Do we even need new Fossils? Gen 2 was perfectly fine w/o them.
Forgot gen two didn’t have any, I guess they aren’t technically mandatory :p
Well I think the reason gen 2 didn’t have them was due to how close Johto and Kanto are. The 2 regions are basically sharing relatively the same ecosystem so it makes sense.
Johto and Kanto are on the same land, so leave the relatively. They 100% share the same ecosystem.
Well I meant relatively as they are still separate to some degree. But yeah either way they’re close enough that it wouldn’t make much of a difference lol
It’s not that I need fossil Pokemon, I just thought it was weird to break the trend of fossils since gen 3. But hey, this gen seems to be full of curveballs
I was gonna say the Minior line could be fossil, but then I remembered its a meteor lol.
sounds like something I would do tbh 😛
We may not have gyms, which I find a good thing for refreshing the games, so why repeating the wheel again with fossils… and have a similar repetitive story for that?
Because there are lots of prehistoric animals that would make great Pokemon.
I still want to see a real ankylosaurus Pokemon, I think that’d be sweet
Because they chose to make another pikaclone and regional bird so it’s not like they’re giving up all traditions.
Fossils are much cooler than pikaclone, if they keep pikaclone and get rid of fossils, that’d be a bad decision to me. IMO, pikaclones are a bad filler.
Agreed. Fossils are actually useful, pikaclones suck all around.
I’d be fine with them if they weren’t limited to one stage.
EXACTLY.
:c but but…plusle, minun and dedenne are all so awesome
Dedenne is cute, hate everyone else.
D: ….
Thats fine
They’re too gimmicky and fragile for me to like.
all of them? eh I’m indifferent about most of them sometimes even dedenne, but plusle and minun I adore and I have actually taken down some strong opponents with them in battle too 🙂 its all in how you use them (idk about the rest, but I don’t hate any pokemon really)
My guess, maybe they’re trying to be realistic? Apparently, Hawaii is geologically young so it hasn’t preserved many fossils
Probably the starters and rockruff to evolve differently per island.. if im counting there’s 4 each?
that’s what I thought, if the leaks are real
with the single type for the starters in connection to the islands of their type.
Please be real so I don’t have to live with that horrible litten3 *cries*
https://i.ytimg.com/vi/XdofmoYcJNE/hqdefault.jpg
you can still change it’s type on either island. And it could’ve been worse, it would’ve been Fire/Fighting
I wouldn’t change him to the form we have now. I’d prefer to get a better form (not bipedal) and have it be fire/fighting then have this one we have now
Not this silly argument again…
Typhlosion and Infernape can run on all fours you know, I’m sure Beltigre could do also.
I can run on all fours, doesn’t make me a quadruped.
There’s a difference between being able to run on all fours and being quadrupedal. If you don’t see it then it’s not my problem
Ithsme here you go! http://i.imgur.com/Z9eFgCW.jpg
Woah they look great! I would get a Pom Pom and name it watermelon, it has that color scheme.
I thought of splatoon while making it XD
Haha that too.
I love all of these, especially the baile and sensu one 😀
Thanks, I have alot of fun
Love the Bailé form, but I loved it anyway I guess. The purple looks great though.
Thank you2
The Baile one looks amazing <3 You're really good at making these fake shinies!
Thank you kind hipster
These are awesome! I would Nickname the Pom Pom one Broccoli. I love Sensu and Pa’u especially.
Thank you!
I would definitely go shiny hunting for these
Baile – Black Cherry
Pom pom- WATERMELLONNN
Pa’u- Orange Kiwi
Sensu- Beyonce (Flawless)
These are awesome I hope the real shinies are half as amazing as yours
Thank you so much 🙂
As always, nice job!
If you guys have any requests, I Can do Alola pokemon and Shinies you want fixed.
Tapu Koko
I tried doing it once, hes really hard but ill try again 😀
I would like to see what you come up with for Lurantis 🙂
you should try comfey or Lurantis :O
Bewear
Bewear. It screams to be colored more closely to a Red Panda
eh i tried doing it. I didnt like how it came out
Aw :/
wow, I cant really see what these leaks are about. the image is really blurry. still exciting I guess.
There is a better pic somewhere around here.
ok I will scroll and see if its somewhere below thanks!
Your best bet is scrolling down from oldest, I think.
http://a.disquscdn.com/uploads/mediaembed/images/4060/2750/original.jpg
What’s your favorite Oricorio? Mine is either Pa’u or Sensu.
Baile.
Those two.
Sensu and Pom Pom
Pom Pom for sure 😀 I love all of them though. Definitely one of my favourite Pokemon of all time.
Baile easy. Followed by Sensu.
Another rumor said they evolve into different forms depending on the island it’s on. There is one way I could see the island based evolution working. If the game is limited free roam. By that I mean when you’re finished with Melemele you can choose whatever island you can go to next and the level cap will rise as you progress. That way each experience and playthrough can be different.
really the only way I could see the island evolution thing working too
As long as it’s more than X/Y, I’m cool. Was playing OR and was reminded how little Gen 6 pokemon there were thank to the design of the OR/AS National Dex.
Well here you guys go.
http://i.imgur.com/VODmAY8.jpg
Comfey Flowers stayed the same because its not part of the pokemon.
OMG! I love lurantis, it looks like a orange creamsical. Tapu Koko looks cool too!
im glad u like it 🙂
I like them all but Bewear, but I hate Bewear to begin with.
I think you’re in a minority.
That Bewear is so much better 🙂
I like all of them 🙂 My favourite are Pikipek and Comfey. Percy says she likes Pikipek and Rockruff.
ur a messenger for Percy now XD
Kinda 😛 She’s on the road and can’t reply right now xD
yep I’ve definitely figured it out, best typing that that breed cat can get is normal/ghost followed by normal/steel then normal/poison. This pokemon will have some really good defensive typings available to it.
normal/ghost would that mean it cant hit it self?
no thats not what makes it the best type combo for it possible, it has only one weakness (which is dark), it has 3 immunities and 2 resistances
Not with its STABs
But is it going to be like a new eevee and it’s looks change also?
The rumor is that there will be a cat pokemon that second type depends on what pokemon it’s parent was
maybe, well probably 😛
The starters look so ugly >.<
But I really want to play this gameUgly is subjective.
You don’t need to use the starters anyway, dump them in the PC as soon as you can if you don’t like them
That’s what I’m going to do.
Not like it saves you from looking at them. Cause you have to see Hau use them. Then you’re going to see them a lot online. Putting them in the box doesn’t save you.
Well, so I don’t have any options… alright then. But that won’t change that fact that for me they are the ugliests starters I’ve ever seen.
Well I think you’ll like at least one of the 12 final evolutions that the starters will have if this rumor is true 😛
The starters and rock ruff do have a secret that no one has yet to mention? Is it different evolution from the islands?
it could be.
I’ve mentioned it. Of course the skeptics brushed it over XD
Unrelated to Sun and Moon, but I am terrible at competitive battling and am trying to have a team going that could beat my friends but arent anything special. Theyll be ev trained but not iv trained and no attention to nature because Im not that into competitive play. Would anyone be willing to look over my movesets over email and let me know what you think?
Okay. Remember Rockruff has something to do with the starters? What if its second type reflects the starter you pick (or your rival picks)? So it can have three different Rockruff typings. Like, if you picked Litten and Litten’s final evolution is Fire/Dark, Rockruff turns Rock/Dark… It’d be weird though if Rockruff turned Rock/Flying… A flying werewolf??? What do you think?
well the leak did say that this didn’t include alola forms so 😛
not that it matters since this list is most likely fake
https://67.media.tumblr.com/5e0b7bd034e277c978e15427aa9b22c1/tumblr_ob94jboeWw1ql31zxo1_250.gif check out this cool gif diives from tumblr made 😀
Also how does Unova have more new pokemon than This new region that’s based on Hawaii. Hawaii is one of the few places with high biodiversity and species that are unique to it that you can’t find anywhere else. https://38.media.tumblr.com/ca9945fb12ba9a8c7656e752bc8e63c0/tumblr_ni5d8onHdT1qdt8lgo4_250.gif (rf)
Well this also isn’t including the alolan forms or even megas, not to mention past gen pokes. But I agree, I would’ve liked 150 or so.
Hey I have a question, I’m doing a X walkthrough with the following Pokemon:
Talonflame
Raichu
Gogoat
Flygon
Haxorus
I’m torn between choosing either Blastoise or Greninja, which one do you think would be better for my team? Or is there another water Pokemon I should get?
Greninja can add another physical pokemon to your team. Id go with him. Although a trick room would wreck a few of yours.
Ah ok. Thanks!
But then again, Im not the best at team building rn.
If its not a weather or trick room team Im building, I tend to do three physical, three special, with varying speeds/ bulkiness, while also hoping swap one of those out with a set up of some kind, usually a froslass.
Yeah thats similar to what I do in walkthroughs, I try to get an equal amount of physical and special attackers, while also adding in some bulk in there.
My Team is ready.
Robinroot: Grass/Flying
Beltigre: Fire/Dark
Sirene: Water/Fairy
Garchomp: Dragon/Ground
Galvantula: Bug/Electric
Arceus: Normal
11 Types in total, and would have 12 if I had to replace Arceus.
You’re using Arceus on a playthrough? Also, how are you going to get all 3 starters? Are you using pokebank? That would be assuming that it’s updated for SM on the release date. And why use Galvantula when you could use Vikavolt?
Galvantula is cute. Though the team maybe changed as soon as I see the reveal of the other Pokemon. Yes I do have Pokebank, and I’m going to use it in order to store the starters whenever I start a new game.
I’ll start by getting Litten, then store it on Pokebank, start new game, get Popplio, store that on Pokebank, start real proper game with Rowlet, and then get Litten and Popplio from Pokebank.
That sounds stressful and time consuming lol. I’ll use all 3 starters on a later playthrough when I can just breed them and make it easier
This is most likely for the sole reason that #772 the dolphin pokemon’s name is simply dolphin in spanish which is delfin so yeah i doubt gamefreak would use the name of a real animal to name a pokemon
Sorry meant to say this is most likely fake*
Eh, we’ve been over this. Seel, Tirtouga…both very close to the actual spellings. Pretty much the equivalent of removing an accent.
No tirtouga isnt named tortuga and seel isnt seal so still
I’m just saying they’re very close. Delfin is very different from Delfín. Basically two separate words.
No, i speak spanish as my first language and delfín and delfin are pretty much said the same way and in the spanish games would be very weird to have a dolphin pokemon named the same way as the animal
Well tirtouga and tortuga are essentially pronounced the same way too though..I imagine, as a spanish speaker, that when you see that name you think “turtle.” This is no different. I don’t think that’s honestly a credible way to determine these as fakes.
Nah uh tirtouga is
Teer-toe-guh and tortuga is thor-too-guh
That’s not how I would pronounce them, given how I was taught spanish.
Tortuga = Tour-two-guh
Tirtouga = Teer-two-guh or perhaps Teer-teh-oo-guh, but pretty similar
There are a bunch of variations of spanish so I imagine that might be why the “Tir” has an H-sound and the “tou” is like “toe” to you
Where did you learn spanish? Tortuga doesnt have a tour sound in it haha but too and two have the same pronounciation so ill give you that one
T-O-R using the spanish alphabet to me would be like saying the english word “tour.” I don’t understand where you get the H-sound when you say it. I took three years in high school and an entire year in college five days a week, which was the equivalent of basically 2 years of spanish. My teacher was from Columbia.
Oh there is no H sound i just Thor because that is the closest english thing to the pronounciation of tor in spanish, its is like saying torn but without the n at the end also Colombia is an awesome country been there, they have the best coffee ive ever drinked
Oh, okay. I was confused but I understand now. It’s kind of hard to type out “english translations” when you are still using a spanish accent while reading them (if that makes sense). Well, it’s an accent for me, not an accent for you 😛
Haha yeah i can see where the confusion came from since im not really that good at explaining things lol
God, me either. I suck haha.
Magnemite’s japanese name is Coil, Magneton is Rarecoil/Recoil and Magnezone is Jubicoil, Krabby is CRAB…
Well in japanese those names sound exotic cause they dont speak english thats why they were changed in the english translation
no, the Japanese names for them are their words for those animals, not the English names for those animals.
from Bulbapedia:
‘Crab is literally crab.’
Magnemite’s coil is koiru i believe and krabby is karubi or something
actually it’s コイル
Thats coiru in kanji isnt it
no, it’s koiru in katakana, kanji are the symbols that are also generally the same thing in chinese, most foreign words are written in katakana, and it shares basic characteristics with hiragana, which is basicaly the same alphabet with different letters.
ゴースト = haunter, this word is just “ghost” in Japanese. there’s more, this is just an example.
Krabby is still Krabby.
But that isnt the name of any real animal which is my point
It’s also the name of an island in Mario, who cares? Apparently You.
Whos talking about mario?
the island in sunshine is dolphin in italian.
Is mario pokemon? Are you telling me that because an island in mario has the name crab that means a pokemon can be named with the exact same name of an animal?
I think he’s just drawing a point that that Mario island is probably similar to “Delfín” in the spanish versions of that game.
no? but unless the leaked names are spanish or real which they probably aren’t, it’s likely to be renamed in spanish.
Pokemon arent renamed in spanish they keep the english name haha
well then maybe they don’t think it’s a problem and this conversation is like 84% messing with you.
Im just stating my opinion im not trying to create a problem with anyone im sorry
don’t be I was just pulling your leg.
Krabby is Crab in Japanese version
You said, JAPANESE not english its like rockruff was named dog in the english version of sun and moon
but still. its just crab. Japanese came first
Does it matter though? Still a literal translation.
Rockruff’s Japanese name is made of like 4 things, Rock, the sound of Barking, Doggy, and Small.
Its a combination and that is ok omg you guy just dont get my point
Krabby’s Japanese name translates to crab.
Just crab.
Ok dude read the comments i refuse to type the same thing again
Well it would be rather uninspired and weird to Spanish speakers such as ourselves but it wouldn’t be the least creative name they ever did. I don’t know that this necessarily makes it more likely to be fake…
Well for me it does at least but who knows last time i said something was fake i got a fire wrestling tiger hahaha
Yeah I guess to me it’s just as suspicious as the list itself, which is just suspicious enough that I’m not worrying myself about it.
Yeah me neither i mean the grass/various fire/various and water/various just pretty much debunk these leaks for me haha
whos a fire/dark type
I like Wrestletiger, no idea why since i have no interest whatsoever in Wrestling.
Yeah i like it aswell seems like cool pokemon even though i was hoping that litten stayed quadrupedal XD
I’m debating naming it strong bad if this is true.
Oh, I thought of something else sort of similar. If the name for Litten’s evolution is real (Beltigre) isn’t that just like Bel-tiger in Spanish? There’s just a prefix strapped on there. Although I get it would be read a little differently, but I’ll always see the word tigre in there and use an accent when saying the name lol
Bel Tigre the adventures of Manny Rivera?
Lol. I guess it is more like B + The Tiger, since “el” is the masculine article for Tigre 😛
B, el tigre the tiger named B, N’s new signature pokemon xD
Lol, headcanon accepted
I was actually just making a pun.
I know, but it got me thinking haha
Actually yeah i hadnt thought about that haha but what i mean is that pokemon names are usually a combination of nouns and i guess this guy tried to make dolphin+fin which created delfin which is just the exact same word while beltigre, even though has the spanish word for tiger in it, doesnt sound so weird since it isnt just named tigre
I hope Beltigre isn’t the name though…it’s not very good haha
It’s Belt + Tiger in spanish isn’t it…
I’m sure someone out there can make something better though.