SPOILERS?! This is a rumor post, but because this is based on what was dug up from official sources and not typical online hearsay, we’re warning you now: this could reveal new information.
YouTuber pdwinnall has discovered that the Japanese Pokémon mini-site for Sun & Moon contains extra icons for types that identify the starters. You can watch the video above to see exactly how it works, but essentially there are six images for the types:
- Grass (Rowlet, type 1)
- Flying (Rowlet, type 2)
- Ground (???)
- Fire (Litten)
- Water (Popplio)
- Fighting (???)
SUSPICIOUS, eh? The YouTuber hypothesizes that Rowlet’s family will remain Grass/Flying, Litten’s will end up Fire/Ground (oops, fixed: thanks CaH) and Popplio’s family will wind up Water/Fighting. Although I agree with Popplio ending up Water/Fighting, I’m not sold on the idea that we’ll get a Fire/Ground combo; you’ll notice that icon3 is ground and it comes before fire, not after. There’s a possibility that GameFreak has gone the trolling route and will ultimately make Rowlet’s evolution Grass/Ground. As you can see to the right, photo courtesy of Beth Ruggiero, burrowing owls exist and would make sense. If that were the case we’d have a pure Fire-type line with Litten.
Now all that’s left is for us to hear your comments and tell us what you think about all this!
<3 PJ
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I prefer pure fire type litten than a fire/ground so I hope that the ground type is just there for rowlett or for some other random pokemon as for the water/fighting popplio kind of makes sense if you think about it
All anger aside, I just hope the Starter’s final evolutions are designed well. I can care less as this point about the Starter’s types. I love Popplio and I don’t want Ken to fuck him up. I don’t want a druken seal that can barely stand up on a circus ball as a final design. I would love to have it remain on it’s belly like Popplio.
I personally want his land weakness to go away.
I’m sure he will at least find a way to be fast on land as well
Implying that Sugimori designs all Pokemon
Thanks to popplio I finally know the difference between a seal and a sea lion…yay I guess
Male sea lion have a mane like real lion.
Though, Rowlet may not end up looking like this at all, especially since it might lose its Flying-typing, this is still a great pic of a possible evolution. http://66.media.tumblr.com/b600500710a9f9629192ebe1505693e2/tumblr_o6zqk5EzWX1rhbzxyo1_500.jpg
I’d love it so much! ;.;
That would be a cool Grass/Dark type…
A forest rogue.
Stunning~ Nice find!
Wouldn’t mind this at all! Looks cool 🙂
If anything I think the next Pokemon they plan on revealing on the website will be fire and ground types. I doubt that whoever’s programming the website knows the type of information yet.
If they are programming a site for an official source, i should hope they know at least what they are setting up for… You are aware that there are documents that can legally get you into trouble if you reveal classified info from a company, right? I had to sign one for both of the places i worked at when i was working… They might KNOW the info, but if they say it, they’ll land their butts in big trouble. Is it worth getting fired, fined, both, or worse to reveal the types of creature’s attributes of a fictional nature?
I don’t think you understood my original post. I doubt the website programmers even know the typing of the starter’s final evolutions
Everything goes through game freak. They know if gamefreak wanted them to know
Yeah but maybe Gamefreak never told them …… its not like anyone was ever supposed to see these two icons. They didn’t specifically leave these as a hint for us or anything….
I’m saying that’s a possibility.
But 90% chance their correct
lol where’d you get a number like 90% from… we can’t just make up numbers like this
…. ok. 60% it’s definitely more than 50. It was found on a page only for the starters… on the official site. If the typings upsets you that much, you might as well be prepared yourself to be upset when these turn out right.. I mean.. “if”.. ?
you still can’t just decide a number – this could mean something and it could mean nothing and you and I have no idea. Thats it.
I can… and I did.
To say it could mean something or nothing is exactly what I said. You just put percents on it too!
You don’t understand statistics and probability.
You are saying.. 50..50.. in words
I am saying ..60…40.. at least. in numbers
The fact if where it was found and how definitely increases the chances of it correlating to the starters.
This is Widely excepted… just go look at the new post.
Being delusional won’t change anything
i didn’t say 50/50 … but theres no point debating with an uneducated person. BAI
*Bye
Uneducated? I just explained what I meant in layman’s terms. Meaning it couldn’t get any simpler. But I will try, for you.
To say “it could mean something.. it could mean nothing”
Which you Did.
Is the equivalent of saying there’s a 50/50 chance in percents.
So I added the Fact of Where it was found and How it was found to the equation..
Stating that this makes the probability of these being the correct typings more likely.
Which from a scientific standpoint.. it does.
Increasing it to 60/40 At Least.. if not more.
60+40=100
So 10 had to leave the 50 side of it being less likely.
Meaning there is more chance for these types to be correct.
Yet.. with 40% still left for it to be wrong.. it’s still a nice size probability you are correct.
Yet. If we are going based on our feelings only, and not math and science. I would say 90% it’s correct, you would say… “what are you talking about, that makes no sense at all, you’re wrong” most likely. ? . Any questions?
lol thats not how math works friend https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/f92751f119fdfceba7909fd8cf25bfaaffbbef664954a206f7e966c73841485d.png
We’re not friends.
This is exactly how math works once you leave middle school.
It’s called statistics and probability. .. google it.
There are also X’s and Y’s.. etc.
Bye Felicia.
Normally I just ignore trolls because I just end up becoming a mean person, but you’ve been oddly persistent.
Statistics, by definition, is a numeric representation of data. Data must be collected and WE HAVE NO DATA FROM ANYWHERE. We have a couple images that may or may not mean something. Also, saying that there are two options (may or may not…) does not imply 50/50. It means that we just don’t know anything. You can’t just create probabilities you think sound reasonable. You literally need to go back to every Pokemon website and see how often hidden data correlated with unrevealed information and then analyze that data before you start throwing numbers at people expecting them to take it seriously.
Ignored. Didn’t Read. I Said ..
Bye Felicia!
yeah you did 😉
I’m not going to take this as fact yet, it’s still a theory. I think we are looking way into it.
How can it be a theory it’s right there
The icons could be for any Pokemon for when they are ready to update the site.
For the starters page
That info is for the biography pages, not specifically for the starters
It’s not a starter page these icons could mean anything.
I with you on this one.
It’s more about who gets which typing. .. At this point.
But if wishful thinking makes them happier. It’s ok, I guess
Lol. I’m one of those people who cares little. I just dislike it when people try to pass of rumours as undeniable fact.
However it works out in the end, it matter little ibvthe grand scheme of things. I’m more interested in how they will fair competitive.
Exactly! But that’s Pokemon fans for ya. We are always over analysing stuff.
So why would they put the typing icons in and not the Pokemon designs? Are they somewhere hidden on the site?
Have GF just not given them the designs but let slip the typing?
Are GF stupid? Is the fandom overreacting (as always)? Do people get paid to make rumours and push theories?
Stay tuned for answers to these very important questions.
I think they do it on purpose
Let slip the typings.
However while I do see the logic in the theory, I’m not sure that the two types relate to the starters. There’s nothing in the file names that say that the icons are for the starters.
Apparently the page they’re on is for all new Pokemon, not just the starters. The reason only the starters are there, is because the starters are the only new Pokemon fully revealed for Sun and Moon.
This could however just be me wanting my Grass/Flying, Fire/Poison and Water/Fairy trio, but the arguments are valid for both sides.
Hmm… I noticed that to.. but the guy to originally discover this said wording made ground go with fire most likely. ..
Well that would give your rival the advantage if you chose litten after its evolution.. assuming the other boy is your rival.
But, only make Popplio weaker to Rowlett
I think Rowlet changes from Grass/Flying to Grass/Ground, it just seems strange that the Ground type is before Fire.
Well for the most part… I believe the typings. Just not sure which goes to who.
When you think about it….
Ground, Flying, Frighting
Fire, Grass, Water
Sun, Moon, Eclipse.. .
Tiikis ( or whatever )
All the things Hawaiin culture represents!
Too an outsider anyways… they probably feel stronger about Spam nowadays ?
If these typings are real then Litten is a serious disadvantage.
Only if Ground goes to Rowlett. ..
Literally what I deal with every day
Don’t talk like Ground isn’t a good defensive type. <3
Also, start using Landorus-T. Let go of your distaste for legends. 🙂
You only have to face the rival a couple of times in the main game and by the time Litten is fully evolved you will surely have caught other mons that can compensate.
Fires always OP compared to grass and water in game. For many gens it even has the highest base stat. Let it be worse for a bit.
PLEASE NO.
They could be for other Pokemon right??
Rowllet should not become a Ground type.
It’s already flying! It makes no sense.
Same goes for Litten. I will not accept anything other than Fire/Poison or Fire/Dark.
I don’t want a fighting type starter for the 5th generation in a row, but I’ll accept water/fighting
It makes lots of sense.
Ground and Fighting
My two favorite types, i can’t lose
Water and fighting.
My two favorite types. <3
As long as Litten final evo gets a diverse movepool I think I’d be ok with it being pure fire
don’t know if u all saw these already? Probably fake but I’m lovin them all, even Popplio’s xD/ It scares me though.
I love the Blaziken counterpart’s Rowlet’s final. The panther is heaven!
Burn that Popplio evolution with hellfire. That is fucking terrifying.
Well, we have a hell cat ish now, so… Go ahead
That thing looks like it would try to rape you.
he has big balls!
It all makes sense now.
Well, he’s not that hairy so I guess he’s no bear. What’s the name for an elder creepy gay guy?
A dingle.
sandwiching between the grass weirdo and the scary clown
special attack: Popper beam and then he slips right in
Base move: harden
Dunnnnnnnn dun dun dun duuuuuuuun
https://youtu.be/_W-fIn2QZgg
OMG! Rowlet and Litten’s last evolution looks SOOOO GOOD! Popplio looks like he took too much crack but alas, a trio such as this would be heaven!
Is it wrong to say I genuinely like the Popplio evolution
No I love it too!!! Please let this turn out to be like the Unova starters; when the evolutions for the starters were revealed early and no one believed the leaker…
I want the whole dex
I’m starved to learn every detail of Pokemon Sun and Moon
They’re all terrifying
I mean these are really cool to look at, especially the final evolution to Popplio. But these all look like they’d be from a Pokemon horror game, they’re so fucking dark lmao.
I bet that Popplio’s evo only method of communication is grinning menacing
My kind of Pokemon
Also slapping your face
your*
I edited the second I posted
Should have never made that mistake in the first place babe.
Screenshotted it
The proof is still in my hands! 😀
This. This is why I love you.
And I dislike you with great intensity
Autocorrect does it to me all the time
That’s why I like them :^)
Does anyone genuinely believe these have a chance of legitamacy?
I bet we don’t, but it’s fun to talk about what could be. <3
I do hope so though xD
I love Littens final evo, like that would be one of my favourite Pokemon. Haven’t we seen that middle owl before? Must say rowletts final evo just looks weird, it’s based of what? Owl to person? Someone explain don’t get me started on poplins final. It’s too much clown, too little sea lion. Another delphox situation.
Yes we did see the middle owl, I guess he thinks it;s the middle evolution right now, because of the similarity of the faces of the second and final rowlet
It’s got such a flat face… I thought it was rowletts previous design
no I think it’s pretty much fake and a coincidence that it has similarities with the final one orrrrr…. it’s was real all along and the middle stage starter owl, but i’m not sure
Egad, that’s a bit eerie of an evolution for Popplio!
The rowlett evolution is actually really creative design and direction wise.
Guys the US is starting GO field test sign ups!
Here’s hoping I get in the field test!!
This is likely a stupid question, but what is “ingress name” and “ingress level”?
Ingress is am app by the same company that’s making pokemon go, I believe it’s similar concept. So I’m assuming your info for that 🙂 I had to look it up to find out haha
Fire/Ground is more realistic than Grass/Ground tbh
I don’t understand why everyone gets so fussy about the starters. If you don’t like them, just don’t use them. There are plenty of fish in the sea.
Luvdisc, Magikarp, Feebass, etc.
But the starters are special. It is the Pokemon that starts you on your journey
It’s because more people use them than don’t.
That’s practically the only thing to talk about right now other than the box legends.
Without the “leak” there would be even less to talk about. <3
What I see around are Litten Fans trying to convince themselves and the others that the ground type belongs to Rowlet, Rowlet Fans trying to convince themselves and the others that the ground type belongs to Litten, both fans trying to convince everyone that the types will never be those. Then Popplio waiting silent for his Fighting type that will happen for sure
I would like that all of you calm down and think a bit about the past.
In the last two generations the starters became something completly unexpected:
– Snivy lost hands and foot.
– Tepig became… well Emboar.
– Oshawott, a otter, became a sea lion.
– Chespin became a baloon.
– Fennekin, the cute golden little fox, was forced to stand on two legs and wear an old dress.
– Froakie, the so hated starter, become a freaking OP Ninja frog with his tongue as a scarf.
That said, If you think for some reason that the starters will be an elegant Owl, a monster Tiger and a Clown Sea Lion you are probably wrong, cause GF does not do obvious things. Speculation is good but
be also ready fot a grass/ground owl, a fire/ground cat and a fighting otter, maybe? Just don’t be obsessed about your idea of what the starters should become, cause at GF they do what they want and you will be disappointed.
The questions is, why does nobody want the ground typing?
Probably cos whoever gets it is stuck with a 4x weakness.
I just don’t want it because I feel it will restrict the design. Hopefully I am wrong though.
Rowlet will already get the 4x weakness if it’s flying.
I’d actually prefer flying because if it were Grass/Ground water would do neutral damage.
*coughcharizardcough*
Wasn’t Chespin the most disliked Kalos starter?
Indeed it was until delphox showed up
I thought it was Quilladin.
I am litten fan ……and I believe it will be stand on 2 feet in final stage and I want it …..I think Fire/Dark or Ghost r more suitable for him ….I can’t deny I don’t want him to be part of ground not cuz it sucks but cuz I can’t imagine how he could be look like …I don’t want Rowelt become part of ground though ground type is sucks in the starters.
Well I’m a Rowlet fan that’s trying to convince myself that the Ground type belongs to Litten so I can switch to that. :p
Preach!!!!
If ShinyXatu appears, tell that buzzard I have a Darkrai code for him.
I’m here. Thank you so much 😀
I have a bit of speculation as to the moon legendary’s typing:
Ice/Steel
Hear me out first though. “B-but, fire is–” no, shut up. Listen.
Whenever I think of daylight/sun, I think warmth, so Fire is obvious. When I think of night time/moon, I feel cold, hence Ice. But what of this Steel eh?
Look at those things on its wings. It looks sharp, it looks, metallic. And if you think about metal is usually cold.
Ok, now comment.
I’m extremely tired of data miners at this point. They ruined Mega Lati@s, Hoopa and its forms, Volcanion, and Diancie. Now the Sun & Moon starters are subjected to their annoyance. I swear, I usually don’t care for spoilers, but this is getting ridiculous. Here’s my idea/hypothesis on the starters future typing:
Rowlet: Grass/Flying.
Litten: Fire/Ground (highly), Fire/Poison (alchemy symbol), or Pure Fire.
Poppilo: Water/Fighting (again, highly), Water/Normal, or Water/Fairy.
It’s missing the infinity part of the alchemy symbol so all it looks like to me at this point is three lines/stripes on Litten.
The eyes could be the infinity.
http://66.media.tumblr.com/88876fe1dfa549b35cc8e75874ffa018/tumblr_o720ydRXG51rv0jvuo1_500.png
Slightly Greninja’d?
Suk it
>:(
>:)
And the ears could be triangles for another symbol. Too soon to get on the theory train.
Illuminati.
Only if it’s confirmed…
The eyes are th bottom part.
Idk why the placement is out of order, but I know GameFreak.
GF are not going to troll people that choose a starter. At least, not in their typings (maybe in their designs). It makes zero sense to do that.
If Rowlet becomes Grass/Ground, it still better learn Fly.
I want to soar on the back of a giant owl, dagnabbit!
Noctowl is 5’03” (1.6m) unless you want a bigger owl
Jeez noctowl is huge!
I’m going to mentally will one to swoop down and snatch you
Thanks! I was getting hungry anyway!
You don’t have a mouth
This is true…
I’m 5’7”. The bigger, the better. No Lenny face.
I’m 6.1
I hope that’s your height, that’s not labelled properly.
That’s his age.
Sorry, I had to.
6 feet 1 inch jeez
I’m 5’10” so I’m with ya there
I just hope we get some info in June
I want to skip the summer after E3 until I get a new desktop so I can get Warcraft Legion on Aug 30
Then play that until October and Yooka-Laylee
Then finally at November the glorious Sun and Moon……..which in grand total is 6 months the second we hit June
I’d say wait for more information at E3 if Nintendo wasn’t relying on ONE GAME.
I’m sure there wil be information around E3.
I sure hope so, Cloud.
Same here Omega
Pokemon Directs are our only hope