Wow. . .it’s been quite a while, folks! I’ve been keeping up with the site, but I haven’t posted anything in some time. I’ve been posting more on Retry Level, so you can always look for me there. It’s been a tough balance between the two sites!
I’ve been wanting to do a new Starters Untamed for some time now. Pokémon X and Y released some of the most interesting changes to Pokémon games that we’ve seen in a very long time, so I’ve been eager to write about my thoughts and experience in the competitive play realm as they have changed drastically. With the introduction of the new fairy typing, negated resistances of the powerful steel typing, and mega evolutions have brought in so many new strategies into the mix that at first it was quite overwhelming. Because of the huge influx of new concepts brought to competitive play, there are still pieces that have yet to be fully analyzed and tested out. The analysis of this generation of starters will be purely opinionated and, as always, up for (constructive) debate.
This generation’s starters are probably the most interesting that we’ve ever seen. Each contain their complementing dual type that helps counter their opposing foe. Not only that, each starter has their own hidden ability and attacks unique to their own species (aside from Klefki). First up we have Chesnaught, the spiny armor Pokémon. This is the first time we’ve had a non-reptilian grass starter, which has received some mixed feedback (especially from its’ deceptive transition to an awkward looking final evolution). This beefy, intimidating rodent (?) is dawned with the grass/fighting typing, an interesting match up only seen in Breloom and Virizion. It’s stats cater primarily towards a physically strong Pokémon that excels in tanking and physical offense. It’s HP/ATK/DEF clock in at 88/107/122 respectively, which is nothing to take lightly. However, the remaining SpATK, SpDef, and SPD stats are relatively low, only reaching 74/75/64, which leaves Chesnaught vulnerable to the numerous special sweepers that plague competitively play. Its typing, however, acts as a double edged sword. It has plenty of resistances and types that its strong against, but it also comes with six common weaknesses, which include the new fairy typing.
What I love most about Chesnaught is its movepool. It comes with all of the best physical grass type moves like Seed Bomb and Wood Hammer, and it can also learn plenty of useful TMs like Dragon Claw, Stone Edge, Swords Dance, and Earthquake. Perhaps the most interesting thing about Chesnaught is its access to its signature move, Spiky Shield. This moves acts exactly like protect, but damages the opponent if physical contact is made. If playing a more defensive Chesnaught, this combined with Leech Seed can really throw off your opponent by maintaining health and consistent chip damage.
Overall, Chesnaught is a decent addition to the grass type starters and works well up there with the likes of Torterra as far as being a physical tank. Its typing doesn’t really do it any favors, but access to Spiky Shield and other great attacks make it a worthy addition to any team.
Next up we have Delphox, the magical fox Pokémon. Fennekin was easily the fan favorite when the starters were released. We awaited eagerly to see what its final evolution would look like, and Delphox came to us as quite a surprise. Its probably one of the most human-like Pokémon that we’ve seen, and the addition to its magical wand gives it loads of character (not to mention its cry is absolutely horrific). Unfortunately, what Delphox has in aesthetics, it lacks in its abilities as a solid Pokémon. It has the stats of a decent special sweeper, clocking in at 114/100/104 SpAtk, SpDef, and SPD respectively. Its defensive stats aren’t doing it any favors, which make Delphox quite frail if up against a strong, quick opponent. Its typing, fire/psychic, is not the greatest as it leaves it open to the common ghost and dark types, which often out-speed it. Its movepool is a bit of a mixed bag and seems to have lost its identity somewhere in its creation. Should Delphox play its role as a special sweeper? Is it more of a support attacker? It doesn’t have the speed to function well in the sweeping department, and its not defensive enough to remain a support teammate.
I’d have to say that Delphox is sadly the worst of the three starters. It doesn’t excel in any one role in competitive play, which leaves it open to plenty of counters and switch ins. It’s unfortunate as it’s such a cool Pokémon with great concepts and a great design, but it falls short in being anything offensive or anything supportive. There are simply more Pokémon out there to fill this role that can do the job much better than Delphox.
This leaves us with Greninja, the ninja Pokémon. Greninja was probably the biggest surprise for all of us; not many of us were expecting a ninja with its tongue used as a scarf. Greninja not only excels in the coolness factor, but its also a fantastic Pokémon to use. The best of the three starters, really. These are the stats that Delphox should have had; 103/122 in SpAtk and SPD, which allow Greninja to outspeed most of the standard metagame. Its attack also clocks in at 95, which make it a formidable candidate as a physical sweeper, too. Its typing, water and dark, provide far more benefits than counters, however it does leave it open to the new fairy type that plagues the battlefield. Better yet, its movepool is everything we could have hoped and dreamed for in a sweeper. Access to moves like Dark Pulse, Ice Beam, Surf, Grass Knot, U-Turn, Toxic Spikes, and Acrobatics make it difficult to see what Greninja is going to throw out at you.
What makes Greninja so amazing is not just its diverse movepool and useful typing. Its ability, Protean, is arguably one of the most useful Pokémon abilities out there. Protean changes Greninjas type to whatever move it uses. For example, using Ice Beam will change you to a pure ice type. Next, use Grass Knot to change yourself into a pure grass type. This makes Greninja essentially impossible to counter, and it also makes every single move a stab move. This ability alone makes Greninja one of the most versatile Pokémon you can use in a competitive team.
However, Greninja is far from being in the uber tiers. Thankfully, GameFreak balanced out its stats by making it extremely frail, with its HP, Def, and SpDef clocking in at a mere 72/67/71. Also, Greninja isn’t exactly the most powerful attacker out there. It can be a bit difficult for it to 1HKO opponents that are specially defensive or physically defensive, leaving Greninja open to counter measures. Tanks like Blissey and Ferrothorn can take whatever Greninja throws at them (save for attacks not specialized in their defensive stat).
What do you guys think of this generations starters? Do you have a particular favorite? Agree or disagree with my analysis? I’m curious to see how the future generations of starters will compare to this generation. We saw a ton of changes in Pokémon X and Y, most of them necessary to keep the series alive. Hopefully we’ll continue to see more positive changes in the future!

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I like how in Hoenn
Some friend doesn’t “Teach you” how to catch pokemon
instead
you WATCH someone catch their first pokemon.
And it’s a diseased kid, too.
It’s a magical moment. <3
Who wants to hear a random shiny fact?
Do you want to say a random shiny fact?
ehh sure
Shiny Macargos color is a pinkish hue when its shiny, but in Pokemon Silver/Gold/Crystal he is blue!
look at lanturn shiny this gen and the past gen
Sneasels Shiny color is brown in Pokemon Gold/Silver/Crystal but pink in all other games!
Wasn’t spinarak blue in G/S
http://i3.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/775/123/e9d.gif
Well crap.
OMG OMG THAT COMEBACK WAS SOOOOO GREAT GG
Because Imposter DItto copies stat changes as well!
If I missed once i would of lost
What is the accuracy of Megahorn? 😮
85
-_-
You got 3 in a roll defense drop in previous match, and now you didn’t even miss an 85 accuracy move.
Regardless, good game.
Im sorry it was a very great game
My DS is dying time for me to put on the charger
WAIT WAIT WAIT.
DAMN IT.
I switched out Wyrm’s item and didn’t even know!
It was supposed to be Focus Sash! >.<
Aw…. that mattered to the MAX
;_;
I A SAVING THAT AS A VIDEO!!
Ugh I hate Ditto.
Good game Cascoon.
Good Game
max is sharing a computer with me ATM so im leaving so I don’t have to deal with it anymore xD
Yay! 😀
YAY YA!
What did ya want for the Shiny Remoraid?
Your Crystal (meth)
There is an actual person named Crystal Methony.
XD Poor Her/Him
I can comment more now since school is over! 😀
Are you Max or Djja?
Max The Great.
Max, Djja insisted we share a computer since his isn’t working, and now it’s glitching our comments :/
But now he left so all is good :3
Das good (for you Djja might be crying) Are you excited for ORAS?
I am extremely excited! 😀
Im still wondering, how do you and dijja know each other? Friends? Brothers?
We are brothers.
Oh thats cool.
:OOOOOOO I never knew that Djja had a brother :OOOOOO
He has more :3
:OOOOO
And the first person to comment moving did do: >:D
Sure did!
After putting all my Battle Readied Pokémon into the box…
[Name] would like to challenge you to a battle!
Every damn time.
Just say “no”.
For me its like:
After finally asking so many passerby’s this one finally accepted *battle starts* {Name} challenged you to a battle, [Another Name] Challenged you to a battle [Troll Name] Challenged you to a battle -_-
I gotta say, I really love Lanturn. It’s risky for your opponent because they don’t know if you’re running volt or water absorb. Add an assault vest to that. It’s too good.
Don’t forget the cool design and great typing!
btw I used one in Emerald :3
I loved Emerald. 😀
How can you NOT like Emerald?
Indeed! The only thing I don’t like is no recovery. But if you can predict an electric/water move, you do gain HP back!
Shame it’s a bit weak besides HP. It was really good in Emerald, with Surf and Thunderbolt.
But think of it this way. Invest in the defense and HP, and then add the assault vest. If you get a burn with scald, you’re golden! It’s a really good mixed tank!
Totally. It’s a good tank. I wish I still had my Lanturn from Emerald. It’d be as overpowered as my Sylveon :3
you can run a stockpile strategy but its risky
I love Lanturn as well 😀
Mine set is gonna be different
OK nickname time!
this tine for a female swablu
Swagblu
Sweet Nun
Nephele because inn Greek mythology, Nephele was a cloud nymph
Slaking has the same attack as Regigigas.
Now
Imagine Mega slaking.
With Pure Power
*And at that same moment, Someone at the Smogon headquarters got the urge to jump out of a window.*
I think it will get a mega xD
if it does its definately getting defeatist
it also ties in that lazy people give up when things get hard or the chances are slim
I never understod the point of defeatist. It does nothing to help you.
to pass it off
Primal Regigigas.
They better make it easier to get evolutionary stones in ORAS. It was a pain to have a Lombre until AFTER Tate and Liza.
I know :O :O :O
Just trade it to yourself from XY.
You do realize that takes away from the whole experience in ORAS. I don’t want to take away from that.
I understand your opinion and that’s fine. What about Nosepass and Magneton then? They can’t evolve unless there’s an Electromagnetic Field, which Hoenn doesn’t have. Therefore, they’ll have to be traded to XY.
There should be one in new Maville.
oMFG Y U GRENINJA ME
True, but they could easily change something in Mauville for that. I don’t plan on using those two, so admittedly I don’t mind.
i had lombre until after the league. <.<
i found it right after Tate and Liza too, after Dive, I ran on over to the abandoned ship and found it there! 😀
Same. It was still a pain though. You need a fully evolved Water type to take out that Claydol, and Lombre didn’t cut it >.<
omg I hated that Claydol! It destroyed my entire team…10+times in row…. >:(
Dusclops was my savior when I had Blaziken. That annoying ass Xatu always used Light Screen, and it took even longer.
Agreed. :/ It’s one of the things I have to consider when playing through a game.
It’s also one of the things I didn’t like in HGSS. There were no stones anywhere unless you competed in stuff that I did not want to compete in. I had to trade a stone in to evolve my Weepinbell and Growlithe.
I hated that too
PokeAthelon or somethin like that had the stones, although you still had to manipulate the DS Clock. I hated having to get the Shiny Stone after Blue for my Togekiss.
And the Bug-Catching Contest.
I never bothered with that. I was either too underleveled, or too overleveled. Syther and Pinsir destroy you in those contest >.>
Maybe they’ll bring back the Stone Shop! 😀
True. Game Freak could add an Electromagnetic Field in ORAS (maybe Mauville City from what I’ve heard). However, if that’s the case, then why didn’t HG/SS have one?
power plant
I dont recall anywhere in johto that has somewhere capable of having an Elec. Field… So it’s probably b/c they would have to make a new area for it
Theres the Power Plant in Kanto, but you might as well trade over to D/P/PT b/c its post-game..
HG/SS didn’t have an area that could double as an electromagnetic field.
New Mauville is a perfect opportunity.
It’s basically an electromagnetic field already!
And you there’s the sidequest for the Thunderbolt TM, so even more rewards for going there!
And you need the Surf HM, so it’d be after the fourth gym, which is the perfect time to evolve Magneton anyway 😀
Yes! 😀
you mean New Mauville?
If anyone has time for a battle video! 8J7G-WWWW-WWW7-VXZX
Not Googling any of Hoenn’s cities until I finish ORAS.
La la la la I can’t hear/won’t read your cities names.
You’ll love ORAS! 😀
( I read the list of people who haven’t played it XD)
I would actually be really happy if Steven and Wallace were tag team champions.
omg! THIS IS THE BEST IDEA EVER.
It was actually Djja’s from 2 years ago XD
I knew it would come in handy some day :,)
hoenn was the first region with double battles so why not double battle champion
I got an error on Disqus, and this appeared… http://disqus.com/embed/comments/?#2
That happened to be once
I was more surprised at the random 80’s movie gifs that popped up.
That just happened to me xD
Lucky!
Im i the only one that hates the XY vs. recorder?i hate the only way to see someone elses video is to get the code.
Well how else are you going to get videos? It’s better than the old ones, because you can store more than 1 video.
And you can replay battles.
Maybe but in the old one you could see anyones video that was recantly uploaded, and search what kind of battle you want to see.
…I forgot that xY had vs. recorder…
It is a shame about Delphox, it really did get the short end of the stick but hopefully in ORAS they can give it a few moves to widen its pool and maybe it will be better in competitive though even if doesn’t I would still use one since it was my first Kalos starter <3 Geninja with that Block Mat is simply beastly and would like to try one someday,and Chesnaught help us all that thing can wreck with Synthesis+Spiky Shield it is a great battler and have been wanting to use him on a team as well (second favorite starter) before them I'm gonna work on a Fennekin in the future xP
well fennekin was chewing on a stick so it broke off its end of the stick XD
Fennekin why did you chew your stick D: lol xD
Delphox needs Gourgeist’s movepool
Im really bored. Anyone want to battle?
On Showdown?
XY
I’m down for a multi!
Greninja is definitely my favorite it terms of looks, concept and battle. Chesnaught looks were a massive disappointment to me as I loved his first and second stage evolution and Delphox looks decent and has a nice concept but’s it’s just too frail for proper battle use. BTW what’s the fastest way to grind pokemon up postgame in XY constantly fighting hordes is so slow and boring :O
For EV training or just EXP?
Just EXP
For EXP is either battle Chateu or Le Wow 🙂