Wow. . .it’s been quite a while, folks! I’ve been keeping up with the site, but I haven’t posted anything in some time. I’ve been posting more on Retry Level, so you can always look for me there. It’s been a tough balance between the two sites!
I’ve been wanting to do a new Starters Untamed for some time now. Pokémon X and Y released some of the most interesting changes to Pokémon games that we’ve seen in a very long time, so I’ve been eager to write about my thoughts and experience in the competitive play realm as they have changed drastically. With the introduction of the new fairy typing, negated resistances of the powerful steel typing, and mega evolutions have brought in so many new strategies into the mix that at first it was quite overwhelming. Because of the huge influx of new concepts brought to competitive play, there are still pieces that have yet to be fully analyzed and tested out. The analysis of this generation of starters will be purely opinionated and, as always, up for (constructive) debate.
This generation’s starters are probably the most interesting that we’ve ever seen. Each contain their complementing dual type that helps counter their opposing foe. Not only that, each starter has their own hidden ability and attacks unique to their own species (aside from Klefki). First up we have Chesnaught, the spiny armor Pokémon. This is the first time we’ve had a non-reptilian grass starter, which has received some mixed feedback (especially from its’ deceptive transition to an awkward looking final evolution). This beefy, intimidating rodent (?) is dawned with the grass/fighting typing, an interesting match up only seen in Breloom and Virizion. It’s stats cater primarily towards a physically strong Pokémon that excels in tanking and physical offense. It’s HP/ATK/DEF clock in at 88/107/122 respectively, which is nothing to take lightly. However, the remaining SpATK, SpDef, and SPD stats are relatively low, only reaching 74/75/64, which leaves Chesnaught vulnerable to the numerous special sweepers that plague competitively play. Its typing, however, acts as a double edged sword. It has plenty of resistances and types that its strong against, but it also comes with six common weaknesses, which include the new fairy typing.
What I love most about Chesnaught is its movepool. It comes with all of the best physical grass type moves like Seed Bomb and Wood Hammer, and it can also learn plenty of useful TMs like Dragon Claw, Stone Edge, Swords Dance, and Earthquake. Perhaps the most interesting thing about Chesnaught is its access to its signature move, Spiky Shield. This moves acts exactly like protect, but damages the opponent if physical contact is made. If playing a more defensive Chesnaught, this combined with Leech Seed can really throw off your opponent by maintaining health and consistent chip damage.
Overall, Chesnaught is a decent addition to the grass type starters and works well up there with the likes of Torterra as far as being a physical tank. Its typing doesn’t really do it any favors, but access to Spiky Shield and other great attacks make it a worthy addition to any team.
Next up we have Delphox, the magical fox Pokémon. Fennekin was easily the fan favorite when the starters were released. We awaited eagerly to see what its final evolution would look like, and Delphox came to us as quite a surprise. Its probably one of the most human-like Pokémon that we’ve seen, and the addition to its magical wand gives it loads of character (not to mention its cry is absolutely horrific). Unfortunately, what Delphox has in aesthetics, it lacks in its abilities as a solid Pokémon. It has the stats of a decent special sweeper, clocking in at 114/100/104 SpAtk, SpDef, and SPD respectively. Its defensive stats aren’t doing it any favors, which make Delphox quite frail if up against a strong, quick opponent. Its typing, fire/psychic, is not the greatest as it leaves it open to the common ghost and dark types, which often out-speed it. Its movepool is a bit of a mixed bag and seems to have lost its identity somewhere in its creation. Should Delphox play its role as a special sweeper? Is it more of a support attacker? It doesn’t have the speed to function well in the sweeping department, and its not defensive enough to remain a support teammate.
I’d have to say that Delphox is sadly the worst of the three starters. It doesn’t excel in any one role in competitive play, which leaves it open to plenty of counters and switch ins. It’s unfortunate as it’s such a cool Pokémon with great concepts and a great design, but it falls short in being anything offensive or anything supportive. There are simply more Pokémon out there to fill this role that can do the job much better than Delphox.
This leaves us with Greninja, the ninja Pokémon. Greninja was probably the biggest surprise for all of us; not many of us were expecting a ninja with its tongue used as a scarf. Greninja not only excels in the coolness factor, but its also a fantastic Pokémon to use. The best of the three starters, really. These are the stats that Delphox should have had; 103/122 in SpAtk and SPD, which allow Greninja to outspeed most of the standard metagame. Its attack also clocks in at 95, which make it a formidable candidate as a physical sweeper, too. Its typing, water and dark, provide far more benefits than counters, however it does leave it open to the new fairy type that plagues the battlefield. Better yet, its movepool is everything we could have hoped and dreamed for in a sweeper. Access to moves like Dark Pulse, Ice Beam, Surf, Grass Knot, U-Turn, Toxic Spikes, and Acrobatics make it difficult to see what Greninja is going to throw out at you.
What makes Greninja so amazing is not just its diverse movepool and useful typing. Its ability, Protean, is arguably one of the most useful Pokémon abilities out there. Protean changes Greninjas type to whatever move it uses. For example, using Ice Beam will change you to a pure ice type. Next, use Grass Knot to change yourself into a pure grass type. This makes Greninja essentially impossible to counter, and it also makes every single move a stab move. This ability alone makes Greninja one of the most versatile Pokémon you can use in a competitive team.
However, Greninja is far from being in the uber tiers. Thankfully, GameFreak balanced out its stats by making it extremely frail, with its HP, Def, and SpDef clocking in at a mere 72/67/71. Also, Greninja isn’t exactly the most powerful attacker out there. It can be a bit difficult for it to 1HKO opponents that are specially defensive or physically defensive, leaving Greninja open to counter measures. Tanks like Blissey and Ferrothorn can take whatever Greninja throws at them (save for attacks not specialized in their defensive stat).
What do you guys think of this generations starters? Do you have a particular favorite? Agree or disagree with my analysis? I’m curious to see how the future generations of starters will compare to this generation. We saw a ton of changes in Pokémon X and Y, most of them necessary to keep the series alive. Hopefully we’ll continue to see more positive changes in the future!

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GoH > GoS
nope
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I JUST REACHED MT CHIMNEY so its time to compare ORAS to emerald 😀 😀
I wish I could play Emerald, but my GBA SP is low on battery and I have absolutely no idea where the charger is D:
What color?
It’s black, but I have no idea where it is. Color really doesn’t matter at this point 🙁
xD Color matters XD
I don’t know where mines at but I can find it 😛 You need a fork tracking device?
What? Seriously, I have no idea what that is lol
I don’t know either xD
wait the charger is black or your SP XD?
Charger is. I have so many chargers I can’t count LOL
what is your SP color
It’s Silver. I’m looking for the charger, not the SP.
it seems that all the dialogue is different thn before 0-0
no old dialogue was used
but the graphical change is amazing
Greninja is my favorite of the three because of how useful it is in competitive battles and because of its awesome design
Yeh, I have to agree. Greninja is easily my favourite of the three. Mainly cos I like fast, strong attackers,..
Aaaaa its so nice to see tabitha being skinny again XD
Fufufufu~ Maxie
best quote ever
Mamma Mia! The movie qq
The Directors of Pokemon and the director of Zelda should switch 😮
1.I love that movie
2.It would be interesting :OOO
I do too (Such manliness XD)
Upgrades for Key Items 😀
This is so nostalgic: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BqM4RtzCcAAKy5n.jpg
Holy crap, meeting Steven in oras is going to be way different and start a whole chain reaction of events to fall into place
You thought very far into the future xD
Agreed :’) His suit is more noticeable too 😉 when this happens its only fitting to admire the qualities and art compared to the classics GameFreak did well in keeping things close to the original as well with slight new touches more than ready for ORAS >:D
The difference 12 years makes. My god ORAS will look beautiful
I hope they manage to keep the dialogue. Or at least the ones that have nothing to do with the plot xD
wow i read this article this morning, and that prompted me to restart my x file as a nuzlocke. I chose froakie, because i had never used him before. I mwas going to loo at his stats, but i forgot and started to go back to vaniville to deliver the prof’s letter, and triggered the rival battle with shauna. I think i almost fainted when froakie came out of the pokeball sparkeling. It’s my first ever shiny starter
Are you still doing a nuzlocke? I wouldn’t want my first shiny starter to die LOL
yep i just probably wont release it 🙂 if it faints
Omg Congrats! :O I hope this means the Nuzlocke rules of releasing if dead won’t apply D:
Didn’t Marriland say something about shinys not having to count? don’t remember D: and congratulations! 😀 that shiny will turn out epic 🙂
I started a Nuzlocke as well, but it’s so easy with XP share T___T
Now…. A thread http://mountmoon.net/topic/12702-if-pokemon-was-more-like-zelda-or-a-rpg/
MMing Pseudos takes so long >.<
I cant even MM
Why?
never sucessful
Ah, well it takes longer for others most of the time. Sometimes it takes 5 eggs, and sometimes it takes hundreds xD
or thosuands
I can’t even bother MMing. I hate how messy my PC gets with eggs xP
Yeah, that’s why I don’t put my eggs in the PC. I just get 5, hatch them, them release them and repeat xD
I’m back! I was at a party from 1 to 6 pm! Any news so far?
the news is your here 😀
Not that I know of. How was the party? 😀
It was amazing!
That’s great!
@movingg:disqus
I finished one of your requests for Mega Rotom! I was thinking it should have a new ability called virus because I drew a computer chip on all of them!
hey can i have a request?
Sure!
Idk what to choose from
Gogoat,Dewgong, Or emboar
ummmm
DEWGONG XD
Mega Dewgong? Sounds fun. I will work on it!
Thanks
OMG ALL OF THEM ARE GENIUS!!! ESPECIALLY THE BUMPER CAR ROTOM XD
haha Its an upgrade from the small lawn mower into a lawn mower kart and Microwave to Oven!
And the fan has more of a “bat” feel to it, and the original rotom has more of a “demon” feel to play on the ability “Virus” taking over. These truly deserve to be seen more. I hope they get featured comment.
Aw shucks! Your too kind! haha
I wasn’t expecting anything like this at all. I love them! Frost and Heat are probably my favourite. I love the chip design on Wash though!
True! I was thinking the same and Thanks! I need to work on your Quagsire now!
That’s amazing! 😀 Great Job! 😀
Thanks, Afarr!!! I like your Brendan avatar!
I made Mega Gogoat
Grass/Rock
Has some type of Armour rock on him now his horns are now made out of rock with bush growing out of the cracks of the rock… and has a eyepatch XD
Ability-Solid Rock
wait isnt there a Primal Dialga?
Thats true! In Mystery Dungeon: Exlporers of Time!
i remember the mascots of the gen after the gen being remade are catchable
Primal Diagla and palkia?
Yeah I think so!
Like how Freeze Dry is Articuno’s signature move in the TCG.
Whoa!! Mindblown!!!!!
I remembered that card without even looking it up, cause I think I still own it lol. From the Fossil Expansion, holographic with Freeze Dry. Think it needed 3 water energies lol. That is crazy that that was a move on the cards before.
I believe Moon Blast & Giga Impact were card moves long before they became a real thing as well.
I mean If Dialga is catchable in ORAS like how groundon and kyogre in HGSS could we see Primal Dialga
I think we very may well see Primal Dialga & Primal Palkia in the games in the future (and make Luminous Orb & Adamant Orb be the items to make them under-go Primal Reversion)
i think its a great idea instead of giving them megas Since Dialga already has a Primal Form
Thing is, Primal Dialga was a bad thing. His Primal regression stopped time and caused lots of death in the PMD world. I’m a bit skeptical about giving them Primal forms.
Well its two different Universes anything can happen in both that doesnt affect the other
They don’t have to affect each other to happen. Primal Dialga still stopped time and went insane. It’s still the Pokemon world.
Well what if Dialga Didnt go insane
Dialga went insane due to being in Primal regression. Don’t fully understand your logic here… But I’m stopping this here >.>
I wouldn’t even mind if they retcon Giratina’s Origin Forme to be it’s primal reversion
Plot twist: Steven gives you the Charizard X or Y as version exclusives after finding him a stone which you will find out what it is when you battle him as champ Mega Metagross D:<
I would stop liking Steven if that happened. I don’t want a Charizard X!
Not sure if the Charizard is even his xD could see him giving metagrossite alongside Beldum in the end
I just want Charizard to stop being marketed so much. This is Hoenn for Arceus’s sake!
True I love Charizard but they are marketing it a lot -_-
Charizard in Smash bros 4 made me rage i think they should calm down Charizard
At least it makes sense in Smash. This marketing for Charizard in Hoenn is unnecessary. I agree, however.
I think the Charizard will be used as a demonstration or something. He might even give it to us early/mid game like how we got the free Lucario from Korrina.
Remember in the E3 demo of Pokemon XY Sycamore loaned us Mewtwo Y stone to use against him. That whole demonstration thing didn’t even turn out to be in the final XY versions
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QP3e2NDrtWQ
That wasn’t an E3 demo but the Pokemon Expo demo, and the events that took place after the expo. I think it’ll be the same this year too.
And that was the video where I thought Moving was PJ. I agree, though.
Ahh I see!
What’s expo? Is it like e3? And So ORAS has a chance of being there this year?
Gamescon
ahh I think I’ve heard of that
The corocoro image of the charizard x was most likely shown as an example so I wouldn’t be worried if I were you.
An example of what mega evolution is.
True, but it’s annoying how they chose Charizard X .
Because of the pokemon origins special and the mega evolution special and the charizard X 3ds, I guess.
Origins at least had a cool introduction to Charizard X. Now it’s just annoying marketing.
I guessed they showed in the corocoro because they thought people recognized it the most XD
Ah. That makes a lot more sense. Although Mega Lucario is more or less the mascot of Megas.
Origins made Mega Charizard X popular. After seeing that… I want to get X. XD My dad just got the wrong copy!
Origins was awesome. Mewtwo got an ass whoppin till Sunday!
Dat Punch doe. (Refresh for the Images.)
I have a gif of that bookmarked xD
You got to link me to it! 😀
OH YEAHH LOL I still am in love with the music that plays in that scene. Really wish they’d release it -.-‘
no it was to promote Charizard saying
“Hey kid your fave Lizard is back in this game again!”
No.
ok
Highly doubt it. They wouldn’t dare bring it in again. It was to show an example of what Mega Evolution is.
it was a joke i forgot to put XD jk at the end
Of course 😛
i literally did XD
ok i didnt…. 😛
Wrost they can do
Mega Charizard Alpha
Mega Charizard Omega
I was tired of being tired of Charizard Promotion for 20 long and brutal years.
So I just stopped caring.
Charizard would be the star. If it wasn’t for Pikachu! Pikachu appeals to women and girls. That’s why he’s the mascot!
Pikachu appeals to all imo, and he was more or less chosen because he’s yellow LOL
Rival of Pac-Man. 😉
Shame you can’t have 5 in one battle in Smash.
It was originally supposed to be clefairy XD
Yea. I’m glad the chose Pikachu. XD
Yeah, but they found him to be too feminine to represent an equal franchise. They chose Pikachu because there weren’t that many Yellow mascots. I would prefer Clefairy though lol
I just wish Ash wouldn’t use Pikachu so much. Pikachu’s kinda getting annoying. Ash should use his other pokémon instead.
Well. Pikachu was his (first) starter. I do wish he could use other Pokemon. He needs to catch more in Kalos. >__>
I feel like Heracross should come back in X and Y anime 😀
It should be Sceptile instead for obvious reasons.
Yea true that wynaut both XD
Ash isn’t good enough to have a mega…
but M. Sceptile should still be shown :3
He still hasn’t gotten the Mega Ring… Watch it go to Serena. XD
And she uses whatever is the worst Mega in existence (I honestly don’t know what it is).
The only hints to Ash maybe getting the Mega Ring is his Charizard, Heracross, and Sceptile!
Infernape Blaze Forme is the closest he’s ever had to having a Mega.
That was sick. I was Blaze Forme really was like that!
30 Mega’s I’d like to see introduced in ORAS (not in any order)
1. Diancie
2. Sceptile
3. Swampert
4. Glalie
5. Latios
6. Latias
7. Kyogre (Primal)
8. Groudon (Primal)
9. Rayquaza (Primal)
10. Sableye
11. Kecleon
12. Walrein
13. Plusle
14. Minun
15. Typhlosion
16. Feraligatr
17. Meganium
18. Milotic
19. Camerupt
20. Sharpedo
21. Relicanth
22. Metagross
23. Regirock
24. Regice
25. Registeel
26. Torkoal
27. Whiscash
28. Altaria
29. Lunatone
30. Solrock
hmmmmmmm 30 is alot XD
LOL I know! But they already have shown us about 7 or 8 of them, and XY introduced 28.
28? Damnnnnnnnn.. It felt like such a small amount of megas lol
Yup, 30 if you count the hidden Latios/Latias but I decided to include them as being introduced in ORAS since technically they were meant to be XD
yea but 60 megas XD i feel like Megas was going to be a unique thing lol
Nothing wrong with 60 mega stones.
We all know when the “Z” game comes around the kalos starters among many others will get megas. I can see there being around 100 mega stones when its all said and done.
100 megas is great but then it should be ended there
A unique thing to what, exactly?
^_^
Smiles bring sunshine and happiness. But they also hide mysteries and emotions. WHAT ARE YOU HIDING HEAVY? :3
I think you need to calm down.
LOL!!!!
I think you need to love Hoenn.
wait Primal is Mega?
It’s basically mega, but we don’t know the stat changes it causes.
Similar to Mega Evolution. But it’s not.
ok making sure
It’s Mega Evolution in mechanics, but in concept, it’s totally different.
oh ok
The following assumes that Primal Regression is a form of Mega Evolution:
Maybe Steven has a Charizard X b/c that is really Charizard’s “Primal” Mega, and he has it to show it off & to learn more about Primal Regression…
Plus he has a Cradily and Armaldo, which may undergo Primal Regression as well in the form of a mega..
just a thought :3
if Charizard gets a primal form i will stop playing pokemon
Its replacement for its X Mega, not new
I think he means like, them retconning the title of Charizard X to “Primal Charizard”… They should retcon Mega Aerodactyl to be called Primal tbh.
kk
Charizard gets all the love! ;D
I literally don’t care anymore.
i mean…gaining a dragon type would make sense for it being primal b/c dragons are mythical and whatnot..
But all the fossil pokemon may get love too! 😀
I 100% agree!!!!!
Is Primal Regression the same as Deaging?
Yes actually. XD
pokemon that I actually think will get megas in ORAS:
Milotic
Sharpedo
Camerupt
Torkoal
Metagross
ludicolo
shiftry
Add Altaria, Salamence, and Flygon! 😉
And Plusle and Minun :’)
Just name all the Hoenn Pokémon.
They all kinda deserve them in their own right.
I want Slorock and Lunatone to get Megas so they can be good without receiving stat increases from Baton Pass.
Mega Lunatone (fairy psychic) with magic bounce
+50 sp.attack and sp.defense
mega solrock (fire psychic) with magic bounce
+50 attack and 50 defense
????
Mega Solrock would be useless. Unless your running it with Rock Type moves. There’s not a lot of Physical Fire Type moves!
AND it should gain flare blitz like flareon. :3
It’d be so cool if they could break out of their rocky shells and become Pure Psychic!
i had dream there was Pokemon league of legends Clone…. it was amazing