Wow. . .it’s been quite a while, folks! I’ve been keeping up with the site, but I haven’t posted anything in some time. I’ve been posting more on Retry Level, so you can always look for me there. It’s been a tough balance between the two sites!
I’ve been wanting to do a new Starters Untamed for some time now. Pokémon X and Y released some of the most interesting changes to Pokémon games that we’ve seen in a very long time, so I’ve been eager to write about my thoughts and experience in the competitive play realm as they have changed drastically. With the introduction of the new fairy typing, negated resistances of the powerful steel typing, and mega evolutions have brought in so many new strategies into the mix that at first it was quite overwhelming. Because of the huge influx of new concepts brought to competitive play, there are still pieces that have yet to be fully analyzed and tested out. The analysis of this generation of starters will be purely opinionated and, as always, up for (constructive) debate.
This generation’s starters are probably the most interesting that we’ve ever seen. Each contain their complementing dual type that helps counter their opposing foe. Not only that, each starter has their own hidden ability and attacks unique to their own species (aside from Klefki). First up we have Chesnaught, the spiny armor Pokémon. This is the first time we’ve had a non-reptilian grass starter, which has received some mixed feedback (especially from its’ deceptive transition to an awkward looking final evolution). This beefy, intimidating rodent (?) is dawned with the grass/fighting typing, an interesting match up only seen in Breloom and Virizion. It’s stats cater primarily towards a physically strong Pokémon that excels in tanking and physical offense. It’s HP/ATK/DEF clock in at 88/107/122 respectively, which is nothing to take lightly. However, the remaining SpATK, SpDef, and SPD stats are relatively low, only reaching 74/75/64, which leaves Chesnaught vulnerable to the numerous special sweepers that plague competitively play. Its typing, however, acts as a double edged sword. It has plenty of resistances and types that its strong against, but it also comes with six common weaknesses, which include the new fairy typing.
What I love most about Chesnaught is its movepool. It comes with all of the best physical grass type moves like Seed Bomb and Wood Hammer, and it can also learn plenty of useful TMs like Dragon Claw, Stone Edge, Swords Dance, and Earthquake. Perhaps the most interesting thing about Chesnaught is its access to its signature move, Spiky Shield. This moves acts exactly like protect, but damages the opponent if physical contact is made. If playing a more defensive Chesnaught, this combined with Leech Seed can really throw off your opponent by maintaining health and consistent chip damage.
Overall, Chesnaught is a decent addition to the grass type starters and works well up there with the likes of Torterra as far as being a physical tank. Its typing doesn’t really do it any favors, but access to Spiky Shield and other great attacks make it a worthy addition to any team.
Next up we have Delphox, the magical fox Pokémon. Fennekin was easily the fan favorite when the starters were released. We awaited eagerly to see what its final evolution would look like, and Delphox came to us as quite a surprise. Its probably one of the most human-like Pokémon that we’ve seen, and the addition to its magical wand gives it loads of character (not to mention its cry is absolutely horrific). Unfortunately, what Delphox has in aesthetics, it lacks in its abilities as a solid Pokémon. It has the stats of a decent special sweeper, clocking in at 114/100/104 SpAtk, SpDef, and SPD respectively. Its defensive stats aren’t doing it any favors, which make Delphox quite frail if up against a strong, quick opponent. Its typing, fire/psychic, is not the greatest as it leaves it open to the common ghost and dark types, which often out-speed it. Its movepool is a bit of a mixed bag and seems to have lost its identity somewhere in its creation. Should Delphox play its role as a special sweeper? Is it more of a support attacker? It doesn’t have the speed to function well in the sweeping department, and its not defensive enough to remain a support teammate.
I’d have to say that Delphox is sadly the worst of the three starters. It doesn’t excel in any one role in competitive play, which leaves it open to plenty of counters and switch ins. It’s unfortunate as it’s such a cool Pokémon with great concepts and a great design, but it falls short in being anything offensive or anything supportive. There are simply more Pokémon out there to fill this role that can do the job much better than Delphox.
This leaves us with Greninja, the ninja Pokémon. Greninja was probably the biggest surprise for all of us; not many of us were expecting a ninja with its tongue used as a scarf. Greninja not only excels in the coolness factor, but its also a fantastic Pokémon to use. The best of the three starters, really. These are the stats that Delphox should have had; 103/122 in SpAtk and SPD, which allow Greninja to outspeed most of the standard metagame. Its attack also clocks in at 95, which make it a formidable candidate as a physical sweeper, too. Its typing, water and dark, provide far more benefits than counters, however it does leave it open to the new fairy type that plagues the battlefield. Better yet, its movepool is everything we could have hoped and dreamed for in a sweeper. Access to moves like Dark Pulse, Ice Beam, Surf, Grass Knot, U-Turn, Toxic Spikes, and Acrobatics make it difficult to see what Greninja is going to throw out at you.
What makes Greninja so amazing is not just its diverse movepool and useful typing. Its ability, Protean, is arguably one of the most useful Pokémon abilities out there. Protean changes Greninjas type to whatever move it uses. For example, using Ice Beam will change you to a pure ice type. Next, use Grass Knot to change yourself into a pure grass type. This makes Greninja essentially impossible to counter, and it also makes every single move a stab move. This ability alone makes Greninja one of the most versatile Pokémon you can use in a competitive team.
However, Greninja is far from being in the uber tiers. Thankfully, GameFreak balanced out its stats by making it extremely frail, with its HP, Def, and SpDef clocking in at a mere 72/67/71. Also, Greninja isn’t exactly the most powerful attacker out there. It can be a bit difficult for it to 1HKO opponents that are specially defensive or physically defensive, leaving Greninja open to counter measures. Tanks like Blissey and Ferrothorn can take whatever Greninja throws at them (save for attacks not specialized in their defensive stat).
What do you guys think of this generations starters? Do you have a particular favorite? Agree or disagree with my analysis? I’m curious to see how the future generations of starters will compare to this generation. We saw a ton of changes in Pokémon X and Y, most of them necessary to keep the series alive. Hopefully we’ll continue to see more positive changes in the future!

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![delphox[1]](https://pokejungle.net/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/delphox1.gif)
![greninja[1]](https://pokejungle.net/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/greninja1.gif)









Who here is MM quite often?
Me
EXELEDUS COME BACKKKKKKKKKEILWTHFGIPX
EVERY TIME HE COMES ON I MISS HIM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sBoqE35_4z8
WE MUST SUMMON HIM
http://i.imgur.com/jWo1exE.png
http://i.imgur.com/6e7Xx3A.png
http://i.imgur.com/CUAVxhM.png
he was on 2 weeks ago i talked to him a bit 😀
Bring him back ;~;
Does anyone have an IcyForm Vivillon I can have (you can breed it and make it a scatter bug to give to me)
Wouldn’t breeding it will result in a Scatterbug with the region data that person is in and won’t be the original Icy Form?
Breeding an Icysnowwould make it Icysnow (if it is the mother that is icy snow)
um the scatterbug will evolve into your regions vivillon not the pattern of its parent 🙁
Really?
Yep
WAIT no
no im wrong
Yep
WAIT no
djja your literally cpoying me……….
djja you’re* literally copying* him…
I’m literally cpoying and you know it!
XD
GG
Quite
Judging by all those switches it look like you were scared
Or he just wanted to use a good battle tactic XD
Y u gotta ruin it for me
Really? It was strategy to get Intimidates off, and then trick you into using EQ since I was immune. Have some respect, all you ever do is complain or say some BS after a battle
But i haven’t complained
complain or say some BS
T_T
Did you win? :3
3-0, Sceptile was the MVP :’D Treecko 😀 Chespin 😀 Hoenn 😀
HOENEENNENENENNNENDNENI
I LOVE HOENNN
ITSTHEBESTREGIONEVERILOVEIWANTEXELEDUSTOCOMEBACKINEEDHIMHOENNHADSPINDAILIKESPINDA
Now I want to battle…
Aw its the region no matter the parents are :< That greatly disappoints me
actually ……i can turn any type of vivillon into the pattern i want so you want me to play god and change the pattern?
Not yet
B/W 2 and R/S/E had the best rival battle themes.
actually r/s/e tbh was iffy
i like b/w2 then i like johto
R/S/E had a really exciting battle
like the heat was on
hopefully ORAS will change this 😉
I loved the Rival encounter theme in B/W2 :O
Ugh someone help i got writers block. I need a good name for a sea “god”(well i say god, i mean more like deity)
Naiady?
Kyo
(kyogre)
Forneus is a sea monster that gave human something I forgot. Google it.
Naiymph?
Tideicus
i would like this to be original if possibly plz.
oh then give me a sec
In that case, Wavocas, Syrienus, Hydrax, etc…
Desumi
desu is sea in japanese
sumi is japanese for ocean
Hydraken
Kenkra
Ok thanks everyone for the ideas! I think i will settle on Desumi!
😀 glad i could be of assistance
Can I battle somebody for fun? 😮
ME
Wanna do a little cup?
wanna do Triple or Rotation for fun?
Or Single
Single.
Oka
Use a different team unlike last time.
I dont even remember last time team XD
You know, the Waterfall made my Mandibuzz flinched and couldn’t use Defog to get rid of the Stick Web?
Oh yea XD
Why do Triple Battles exist D:
for the Pledge moves
Whatchu talking bout?
I LOVE triple battles 😀
for massive strategic play
every move has to be carefully choosen and the switch option needs to be played at the right time to win or throw off you opponent
LOL. Sky Attack missed!
ur a sky atak lol
1st turn hax are always great 😀
Ending credits theme
I must say
B/W > R/S/E > R/B/Y > D/P/Pt > B/W 2 > G/S/C > X/Y (ew)
B/W > R/S/E > G/S/C > R/B/Y > who cares about the rest
lol XD
I can not stress the ew on “X/Y”
I kinda liked the X/Y credits with the sing a long
ur a but lol
mine is exactly the same except switch it to
B/W> R/S/E>D/P/PT>B/W2>R/B/Y>G/S/C>X/Y
X/Y didnt have that much to be sad over in the end XD
b/w was jsut epic
d/p/pt and r/s/e had the reflectiing theme that is sad and majestic
r/b/y and g/s/c were just blah and x/y had too much fluff
wait this xy had an ending theme?
DX I forgot the Sucker Punch.
Thank you trick room
@TCMets:disqus @TCMets:disqus @TCMETSSSSSSSs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GwSPwle6Dss
cry.
LISTEN TO IT TC
LOVE IT
May I get a burn plz
May
Hoenn confirmed.
This is going terribly for me. I really don’t like Slowbro.
Everyone hates its bulkiness
and with accesss to calm mind he can be both a physical and special wall ew
Mavericks my boy finally evolved into swampert right before hitting fallabor town
flannery is gonna be toast 😉
Wow… Double Defense drop.
XD i am sorry
Alright that tears it
I’m going to watch Abandon Ship and finally decide
Torchic or Mudkip
why not get both games and put one for each
well i’m doing that naturally but this is for my main Omega Ruby
While Alpha is my Ground Mono
Mudkip has more favorable qualities Slow, bulky physical opposed to Torchic’s lean speedy and equally as strong but more fragile
but i remember the day when my original Torchic evolved and learned Double Kick and then i’ve always loved Fighting types
i say torchic for omega as mudkip literally fits your ground mono perfectly XD
I just don’t know because a Ground Type mono team though worth a lot of points and a another notch of my Mastery of Ground types but the Main Game is forever
Mudkip > Torchic
Treecko > Mudkip > Torchic
I agree
And another…
Looking forward to this in 3ds soundfont
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y7DgMwv8aEU
pfft im looking foward to the enitre hoenn ost in 3ds soundfront XD
THIS
I thought you would use Sucker Punch!
I don’t have it…
What the heck? Who runs Scrafty without it?
ANyway,can I go again. I feel like the hax are against me. Triple Defense drop in a roll is not fair.
1. Scrafty can’t get Sucker Punch
2. I was poisoned will o wisp wasn’t gonna hurt me anyway
Will o wisp so that you can’t hit me with the “supposed” sucker punch. D:
Lul thats avoiding the enviable threat
unavoidable*
Your remaining members are all weak to fire. ;_;
And yes we can, but i am switching teams 😀
Me too. D:
Scarfty can’t even get it
I thought it could. D:
Nopes
TC teach v switch please???? 😡
what did you call my mother???
You don’t wanna know.
Is this because even SHE got better hips than you 😉
Girl. Let’s not get this started again.
K then lets just make fun of other girls who are a fashion crisis.
Totally. Like that Dawn girl.
Like bitch u in da coldest region yet u wear a skirt with short sleeves?
honey.
plz.
r u really dat thirsty?
I mean, for real. She’s open for business 365 days a year.
Except Christmas. 😉
That day she’s getting a different stocking stuffed.
I bet she’d be knee deep in a mall santa if any one let dat ho near him
That’s what I’m saying. How do you think she won all those contests? :/
Let’s just say Mr. “Remarkable” took a peek at something that wasn’t so remarkable…
I like Dawn ;-;
(Don’t take anything in this comment chain seriously XD)
3 Mays in one comment chain. Unbelievable.
Never mind, just noticed Chico’s was Serena.
FAIL
Our avatars look similar.
Oh, no problem 🙂
Thx boo.
Phione is THE WORSt legendary pokemon.
I wanted a shiny one but then I saw its stats
/swerve/
Why would you want a shiny one?
I thought it looked pretty ;~;
Hey Djja i have an Idea
Why not breed a May Team
Blaziken
Beautifly
Delcatty/Snorlax
Venusaur….
Blastoise…..
Glaceon
actually that be a bitch to fight
I’m actually gonna breed a shiny wurmple after treecko! 😀
it’d be a shame if it evolved into dustox XD
That’s what I’m SOOOO afraid of ;~;
imagine dawn team:
Mamoswine
Togekiss
Amibipom
Empoleon
Typlosion
Lolpunny/Pachirisu
#not as good
I dont consider Phione (or Manaphy for that matter) legendary pokemon…
shaymin>manafugly
May and manaphy > drek ass shaymin and dawn
no manaphy so fugly
Dawn so fugly.
*shots fired*
who are you?
Jim’s brother.
I hate how they tried to copy May and Manaphy’s relation ship in that movie. Shaymin and Dawn didn’t work.
And I told you this this morning XD
i just learned that the battle tents each represent a part of the battle frontier XD
Hiya Dicey! Any progress on the shiny pokemon segment :p!!!
LOL
Nope. I need to work on an article for the Anime and TCG subdivision of the site. Then I need to talk to Noivern and Pokemaster about having you work for the Fangame subdivision of the site, and then I’ll create the shiny Pokemon thing.
How does Swampert’s Shiny Secrets work for the name?
Sliggoos Shiny Secrets :p
That’s better.
Since you are ORASGoomy after all XD
Goomies great goodies!
lol nevermind XD
XDD
just wondering how come oyu use a pokwmon in every single section for your website? as the pokemon has nothing to do with the segment except the first letter
im just curious :3
It’s just to make the names more creative.
In all due time the subdivisions will have the Pokemon to which they are named after appear in the background. 🙂
ok thanks for replying
Of course! 🙂
Not all are pokemon! XD
Hoenn highlights (my section) is named off of Hoenn! :3
Not bad! 😀
Dicie one more thing! I would like to ask to start the Shiny pokemon/ rare pokemon division of the site. Instead of fan game.
You can do both.
:p All right! I know way too much about shiny pokemon. I could provide so many shiny facts its not even funny XD
LOL
Then I’m glad to have you onboard 🙂
I just need to hear back from those 2.