Wow. . .it’s been quite a while, folks! I’ve been keeping up with the site, but I haven’t posted anything in some time. I’ve been posting more on Retry Level, so you can always look for me there. It’s been a tough balance between the two sites!
I’ve been wanting to do a new Starters Untamed for some time now. Pokémon X and Y released some of the most interesting changes to Pokémon games that we’ve seen in a very long time, so I’ve been eager to write about my thoughts and experience in the competitive play realm as they have changed drastically. With the introduction of the new fairy typing, negated resistances of the powerful steel typing, and mega evolutions have brought in so many new strategies into the mix that at first it was quite overwhelming. Because of the huge influx of new concepts brought to competitive play, there are still pieces that have yet to be fully analyzed and tested out. The analysis of this generation of starters will be purely opinionated and, as always, up for (constructive) debate.
This generation’s starters are probably the most interesting that we’ve ever seen. Each contain their complementing dual type that helps counter their opposing foe. Not only that, each starter has their own hidden ability and attacks unique to their own species (aside from Klefki). First up we have Chesnaught, the spiny armor Pokémon. This is the first time we’ve had a non-reptilian grass starter, which has received some mixed feedback (especially from its’ deceptive transition to an awkward looking final evolution). This beefy, intimidating rodent (?) is dawned with the grass/fighting typing, an interesting match up only seen in Breloom and Virizion. It’s stats cater primarily towards a physically strong Pokémon that excels in tanking and physical offense. It’s HP/ATK/DEF clock in at 88/107/122 respectively, which is nothing to take lightly. However, the remaining SpATK, SpDef, and SPD stats are relatively low, only reaching 74/75/64, which leaves Chesnaught vulnerable to the numerous special sweepers that plague competitively play. Its typing, however, acts as a double edged sword. It has plenty of resistances and types that its strong against, but it also comes with six common weaknesses, which include the new fairy typing.
What I love most about Chesnaught is its movepool. It comes with all of the best physical grass type moves like Seed Bomb and Wood Hammer, and it can also learn plenty of useful TMs like Dragon Claw, Stone Edge, Swords Dance, and Earthquake. Perhaps the most interesting thing about Chesnaught is its access to its signature move, Spiky Shield. This moves acts exactly like protect, but damages the opponent if physical contact is made. If playing a more defensive Chesnaught, this combined with Leech Seed can really throw off your opponent by maintaining health and consistent chip damage.
Overall, Chesnaught is a decent addition to the grass type starters and works well up there with the likes of Torterra as far as being a physical tank. Its typing doesn’t really do it any favors, but access to Spiky Shield and other great attacks make it a worthy addition to any team.
Next up we have Delphox, the magical fox Pokémon. Fennekin was easily the fan favorite when the starters were released. We awaited eagerly to see what its final evolution would look like, and Delphox came to us as quite a surprise. Its probably one of the most human-like Pokémon that we’ve seen, and the addition to its magical wand gives it loads of character (not to mention its cry is absolutely horrific). Unfortunately, what Delphox has in aesthetics, it lacks in its abilities as a solid Pokémon. It has the stats of a decent special sweeper, clocking in at 114/100/104 SpAtk, SpDef, and SPD respectively. Its defensive stats aren’t doing it any favors, which make Delphox quite frail if up against a strong, quick opponent. Its typing, fire/psychic, is not the greatest as it leaves it open to the common ghost and dark types, which often out-speed it. Its movepool is a bit of a mixed bag and seems to have lost its identity somewhere in its creation. Should Delphox play its role as a special sweeper? Is it more of a support attacker? It doesn’t have the speed to function well in the sweeping department, and its not defensive enough to remain a support teammate.
I’d have to say that Delphox is sadly the worst of the three starters. It doesn’t excel in any one role in competitive play, which leaves it open to plenty of counters and switch ins. It’s unfortunate as it’s such a cool Pokémon with great concepts and a great design, but it falls short in being anything offensive or anything supportive. There are simply more Pokémon out there to fill this role that can do the job much better than Delphox.
This leaves us with Greninja, the ninja Pokémon. Greninja was probably the biggest surprise for all of us; not many of us were expecting a ninja with its tongue used as a scarf. Greninja not only excels in the coolness factor, but its also a fantastic Pokémon to use. The best of the three starters, really. These are the stats that Delphox should have had; 103/122 in SpAtk and SPD, which allow Greninja to outspeed most of the standard metagame. Its attack also clocks in at 95, which make it a formidable candidate as a physical sweeper, too. Its typing, water and dark, provide far more benefits than counters, however it does leave it open to the new fairy type that plagues the battlefield. Better yet, its movepool is everything we could have hoped and dreamed for in a sweeper. Access to moves like Dark Pulse, Ice Beam, Surf, Grass Knot, U-Turn, Toxic Spikes, and Acrobatics make it difficult to see what Greninja is going to throw out at you.
What makes Greninja so amazing is not just its diverse movepool and useful typing. Its ability, Protean, is arguably one of the most useful Pokémon abilities out there. Protean changes Greninjas type to whatever move it uses. For example, using Ice Beam will change you to a pure ice type. Next, use Grass Knot to change yourself into a pure grass type. This makes Greninja essentially impossible to counter, and it also makes every single move a stab move. This ability alone makes Greninja one of the most versatile Pokémon you can use in a competitive team.
However, Greninja is far from being in the uber tiers. Thankfully, GameFreak balanced out its stats by making it extremely frail, with its HP, Def, and SpDef clocking in at a mere 72/67/71. Also, Greninja isn’t exactly the most powerful attacker out there. It can be a bit difficult for it to 1HKO opponents that are specially defensive or physically defensive, leaving Greninja open to counter measures. Tanks like Blissey and Ferrothorn can take whatever Greninja throws at them (save for attacks not specialized in their defensive stat).
What do you guys think of this generations starters? Do you have a particular favorite? Agree or disagree with my analysis? I’m curious to see how the future generations of starters will compare to this generation. We saw a ton of changes in Pokémon X and Y, most of them necessary to keep the series alive. Hopefully we’ll continue to see more positive changes in the future!

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![delphox[1]](https://pokejungle.net/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/delphox1.gif)
![greninja[1]](https://pokejungle.net/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/greninja1.gif)









Ugh I hate how platinum started the whole “Male protag wearing a blue jacket” trend.
I’m not kidding
every game after that
the male protag wears a blue jacket.
But ORAS broke the curse! 😀
I didn’t even notice that! Gen VI broke lots of curses. One of them being the infamous Fire/Fighting Curse. Delphox’s Movepool may suck, but I’ll still take that over another Fire/Fighting Starter.
But we still have a curse
Fighting Type in the starters
Since every game after BW has had fighting type in the starters
Since BW
But Chesnaught is bootyful, so I’ll allow it.
But Fighting Types are awesome
and they were put in to help beat the Rock Type Gyms
And besides
Blaziken and Infernape were destined to be Fighting Type
Emboar i love even move Because of it
To you
They are second to last on my favorite type list
U try going without a fighting type move
And if they weren’t fighting types what would they be huh?
It does make it easier, but they don’t need to abuse this, I really don’t like the fighting type anymore
Well technically Ethan didn’t wear a blue jacket in HG and SS
True
ethan wore a red sweater
The male Protagonist should always wear a grey suit and rings on his fingers and be called Steven
Steven is love
Steven is life.
I’m a guy and Steven is making me rethink my sexuality
Steven saved my life
I’d say Archie’s new look is questioning my sexuality
Archie’s new look = hawt af
I’m a guy and I can say that is 100% true. Also Professor Sycamore. Goddamn Gen. VI making all the hawt people
Djja. I told you to unblock me. You never did?
I did!!! 😀
I accidentally blocked you and I had no idea how to undo it and I eventually forgot that I blocked you XD
You blocked me because I said I love you very much. I am serious lmao
OMG I DID???? XDDD
Omg me too. I have a massive love affair for Steven.
Every region since RSE Fighting type has been in the starters, please break this 7th gen
*fire/fighting returns*
They’ll all end up as a Fire/Fighting
Gen VII gives Typhlosion a Mega. It gains the Fighting type.
No it will be given Ground type
I hope so. And get Ground Control (turns Normal moves into Ground Type moves).
It’d be a good mixed attacker. Fire Blast + Ground type STAB Return is brutal. Then Wild Charge to counter them mean ol’ Water types.
Chesnaught was cool. No more Fire/Fighting type
“Male protag wearing a blue jacket” trend bothering you? We’ve got Character Customization to fix that. After ORAS once again though because I agree with the majority that character customization shouldn’t return, for it will tarnish May’s/Brendan’s figure.
And they just look so unique! 😀
Caught again Serena https://i.chzbgr.com/maxW500/8225212928/h309312DB/
Alas, no one in the group understood it.
xD I wonder when they’ll catch on? I’m sure Bonnie will be the first.
“Bonnie makes me moisten”
– Serena
Not as much as Diantha though. I mean. Dem hearts in the new opening.
I feel like Photoshop can make the funnier.
Thirstyyyyyyyyyyy
she was looking at lucario
Okay my region
It is a relatively new region with only around 3 large town and it has a long history before it was declared a region.
It has a history of murder, it has the God Spire (Built by Kanto natives and built in the mountains) be what was an asylum but now a mysterious power is resonating from the top of the tower.
The people who lived in the region never built up and led simple lives.
names?
Hmm, have you tried looking up a name meaning murder or insane or something? :3 Even death?
Muerte? (Spanish for death) Vesania? (Latin for insanity?)
I like that first one
How can Game Freak avoid making more Fighting Type Starters? Just stop making Rock Type Gyms.
And replace them with dark type gyms! 😀
oh wait
No no. Replace them with Electric Type Gyms. We don’t have enough and we are definitely not sick of it.
Well in ORAS we have one! 😀
Wattson is extremely hard if you picked grovyl.
I know! xD I had to grind for ages to learn Leaf Blade, and then Magneton was the problem because it resisted all my moves. But luckily spamming Aron’s Mud Slap came through lol
*grinds levels to evolve it into Sceptile and asks for friend to give me Sceptilite*
JK. I’m picking Mudkip.
lol ur gunna win it all then XD
Don’t worry. I’m not going to be a douche and sweep with Swampert. I’ll use my other party members because I don’t believe in favoritism among parties. That’s why I don’t have “Star Pokémon” anymore.
Marshtomp destroys the first 4 Gyms xD
then the last 4 are harder for it
Those last 4 Sceptile somewhat destroys
not winona though XD
DD altaria DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD:::::::::::
I remember how easy the game was with Bulk Up Hariyama and Manetric. Altaria still was a butthole
You can Mega Evo Sceptile.
After trading it to someone who has beaten the game and is willing to Move Tutor it Dragon Pulse and trade back to you.
Winona’s Altaria is nightmare fuel.
*spams Moonblast*
But then there is skarmory :/
Yeah, but luckily Sceptile doesn’t have a huge problem with 7 and 8. I’m sure that Marshtomp won’t be as good in game because of the physical/special split. Mud Shot, one of its best moves on Brawly, Wattson and Flannery is now special.
Use Hariyama. The Day Care next to Wattson saved my ass. Bulk Up + Guts was brutal.
And then give all of them Mega Charizard X. It’s so under marketed, and Wynaut?
It’s funny though because pairing with the Fire Type actually helps with Fire’s Stealth rock problem and now also helps Fighting’s Fairy problem…it’s a win win
Got swept by Sigilyph again! >:(
How??? 😮
Scolipede baton pass and stored power Sigilyph.
Ouch
Time to work on a Sigilyph counter. Trick/Switcheroo are good ways of crippling it
I think Gen 7 should have all 8 Gyms be of the Dark Type…to make up for 6 regions without one
wel 5 regions since dark didnt exist in 1
Well thank you Mr. Technicality. ..
More like Mr. Truth 😉
Anyone up for a random battle?
Me!
Okay lets go
Sceptile better learn Dragon Pulse via Level Up like Ampharous or I’ll unleash Distortion World!
If it doesn’t…well, let’s not think about that.
Winona had a flying type counter for every pokemon XD
Smart not real person 😮
Thought you were ok with Lairon? Nope, Earthquake ;_;
http://i.imgur.com/iVSSjkF.jpg
Just finished the Fakemon :3
It’s based on a Tapir, waving cat and Buddah. Neck rings, a jewel on the head connected to a sphere which is like a crystal ball of sorts and ties in with Buddah’s head bun which taps into chi energy and a lucky coin on the tail to emphasize luck :3
😀
the incense looks like a pokemon XD
It does xD Incense is Kawaii
It must be a pokemon!
Multiple forms based on what incense it is holding 😀
Looks awesome :3
Thanks :3
I went back and found my first comment here. Turns out you and TCMets were the first people to comment welcome. 😀
😀 😀
Looks great. I really like the idea.
Thank you :3
Love it 😀
Tanks :3
Great job Noivs! Insense really should be used more like this!
Thanks and I agree. Especially with Pokemon like Medicham 😮
I hate when people say a TV or Game is running out of Ideas
Look at Ella from TDPI. She is so unoriginal :/
she is my favorite:(
It was a joke XD I like her too but I feel she’s not going far 🙁
I just look at J.mblaq’s megas and look at Gamefreak’s megas and cry.
The Guy is a mad artist with a lot of skill.
However Pokemon has a certain art style and while his are very good they don’t match. Personally I’m all up for a change in art style….Cos I love J.mblaq’s style so much.
Pokemon has this certain style that’s very unique. Look at Digimon and Bakugan, they have mad designs but never achieve that fame due to looking generic and bland in the end. Ken is one of the greatest artist and although J.mblaq’s designs are great, I believe he still doesn’t quite match up to what Ken has done.
Same. Just because they’re losing interest, doesn’t mean the franchise is “running out of ideas”. I’ve heard that phrase too many times.
Thank you!
pikachu mon is running out of ideas any region that is not kanto is not a region!1111111!!!!ORR:kiRPOUR
ORIGINAL 151 4EVER
And the Magenton line is still pure Electric.
@landojr:disqus what is your name on Showdown
iit is TheHoennchamp I think
I am Huntark
This dude was raging about Ash catching two Flying-type Pokemon in Kalos and I posted this comment, “Ash had 2 Dark-type Pokemon in BW, 2 Grass-type, 2 Ground-type, and 2 Water-type Pokemon. I never saw anyone complaining about that.”
I was silently. I hated his rotation team in BW tbh
I hated the Unova Anime
It had only a few good episodes.
Cos it was executed horribly
No love for Palpitoad ;(
What’s a Palpitoad? XD
And he had 2 flying types in Sinnoh too. No one complained xD
And Kanto, but no one complained there either.
People still think Charizard is Fire/Dragon! lol
Well they’re half right now.
At the very least, Ash finally gained the “Happily Evolving” (evolve a pokémon w/ max happiness) and “Power of Dark” (catch and use at least one Dark Type Pokémon on your team) accomplishments.
Err…He also had 2 flying types in Sinnoh
I know; Gliscor and Staraptor. However, when you try to counter a statement, always bring up a topic choice you know you have the most evidence to support your own statement with.
True. However the Sinnoh situation is the closest one to the current situation considering in Unova he was rotating (or attempting to) and didn’t have pokemon of the same typing on his team for too long. I could be wrong though since I didn’t watch the entire Unova Saga
Rotation motation! He almost kept the same team and only rotated Leavanny or Unfezent! :C
Yeh that’s why I said ‘attempted to’. Lol, it was biggest flop ever.
Worse than Floptina! Lol, joking! I LOVE YOU CHRISTINA!
@ShinyNoivern:disqus http://mountmoon.net/topic/12440-the-pokejungle-fan-game/page-46#entry341740 😀
Too many forms o_________o also Full Incense will be Fairy/Psychic 😮 prolly. Dunno
It all makes sense now https://i.chzbgr.com/maxW500/8222429696/h14CB7BCC/
So does yo face foo’
But that is funny XD
and does he partake in contests? 😮
I thought he just got headbutted by a Sharpedo and it stamped his face with a huge X
If Ash didn’t rotate his team and only caught one starter, this would be his team:
Pikachu
Samurott
Unfezent
Leavanny
Scrafty
Boldore
Krookodile
Oshawott no Samurott
No. When Ash catches one starter, the starter has to always evolve once or all the way. When Ash catches two starter, at least one has to evolve once and when Ash catches all three, all of them can stay in their basic stage or one can evolve once… jk! Yeah. Oshawott made TrollFreak an immense amount of money due to merchandise.
Steel, Psychic, Ghost, Fairy. These are the final four elements Ash has yet to catch (officially) and use on his team? Will he ever use them? Well given the fact that the franchise gave him two Flying types AGAIN. it seems very unlikely. One can hope though.
He might use Honedge, but remember. To fully evolve it, it needs to be exposed to the Dusk Stone. And you know how much he likes Evo Stones.
Fixed “too” in my EDIT.
Who wouldn’t want to evolve and become more powerful? Stupid Pikachu
People think he’ll capture a Phantump that will accidentally evolve into a Trevenant due to Team Rocket’s interference. Jessie will want to evolve her Pumpkaboo and Team Rocket dress up as scientists, trick Ash and co. into believing they’re Pokemon Therapists and trade Ash’s Phantump for Jessie’s Pumpkaboo and viola, you have a Trevenant.
I’d love for this to happen. We’ve had Jessie have a rivalry against May (Final Wurmple Evos) and Dawn (Yanmega and Togekiss) before. It’d be interesting to see her have a rivalry with Ash and their Grass/Ghost counterparts.
I would root for Jessie! She made me love Yanmega!
Me too! I used a Yanmega on my W2 team because of her!
That’s extremely odd. Never noticed that. Then again Ash sucks as a trainer so this is probably why. I mean… Red caught more Pokemon than ash by time he was at his 6th badge lol.
>.< I accidenly copied the wrong URL somehow D:
http://38.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mbocmrGv891qlxmxno1_r1_1280.png
This be the right one 😛
But now we know what you like to look at, *ahem* *ahem*.
*Leaves*
*Grass*
WHY DID YOU HAVE THAT UP ON YOUR COMPUTER????? D:
How do you even get those two confused? D:
The pictures on googl e are close together 😛
what did you look up XD
“Dirty boi Archie”
He gettin dirty Like Caillou
Pokemon Archie xD
I didn’t >.>
So questions why do Evolution Stones only work when they Physically touch the Pokemon. Imagine if they worked by emitting some kind of energy…no contact required. I would want someone to throw a Thunder Stone into Ash’s room while he’s sleeping with Pikachu and when he wakes up its a Raichu
That wouldn’t work. Pikachu has built an immunity to Thunder Stones.
Then he’d probably press B and stop it from evolving.
You can’t do that once you’ve already used the stone…
My life is a lie.
Pikachu hit a thunderstone with its tail
The pokémon has to accept the stone as well. Pikachu’s touched the Thunderstone before, but didn’t evolve.
Does the pokemon have to consent?
I assume that’s the case considering Pikachu has knocked away Thunder Stones before
i love the XY anime…but I hate the fact that Serena hasn’t caught a pokemon >:I. I hope she will get a noibat…
Nope. The magazine confirmed that the Camp gives you Flying-type Pokemon if you don’t have one for their Sky Battle Tournament.
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO…*cries* What pokemon will she get :/
People think her team might be this:
Fennekin or Braixen
Goodra
…horrible…I hope she will get phantump then :/ She deserves it.
No. No. No. No.
NNNNNNNNNNNNNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
#letscrytogether;-;
#holdme :'(
#crymeariver
I hope Serena will be a new brock.She will appear in gen 7 anime and she will get MORE pokemon :O
I pray for this to happen.
#makeithappen (Mariah Carey song)
I think it will happen cause’ at the end of XY saga she and Ash will be together until Ash friend zone her ;/
Also in the games why are Evolution Stones only allowed to be used once. Do they store enough energy to evolve a single Pokemon and then run out and remain dead….
They might just shatter
Or the energy just melds into the evolving Pokemon’s body
Sweg Eeveelutions 😀 http://fc05.deviantart.net/fs71/i/2011/119/7/1/eevee_all_type_2_by_naruttebayo67240-d2wfxua.png
dat vulpix and dat shiny dragonite tho
I thought that too XD
theres 20, but only 16 types o.o
new types confirmed? 😛
fox type confirmed!
That Normal Eeveelution is just Eevee with a smaller tail, no puffy neck fur, and straight ears.
The flying type one looks like an Eevee version of Meowstic.
Why the hell is there a vulpix eevee
OMG I was literally about to post that XD
It’s so random I don’t understand
And I’m pretty sure this person took Leafeons body and changed it to make all of the other Eevees…
His outfit disturbs me http://mtc-studios.deviantart.com/art/Fakemon-Dragon-Gym-Leader-304163644
http://bummerdude.deviantart.com/art/Rawk-Fakemawn-252485113
http://bummerdude.deviantart.com/art/Rawk-Fakemawn-252485113
http://twarda8.deviantart.com/art/Mr-Mime-evolution-266461711
Dat badge name doe
IT SCREAMS MANLINESS
Do you think you can die down the images? They are getting spammy.