Wow. . .it’s been quite a while, folks! I’ve been keeping up with the site, but I haven’t posted anything in some time. I’ve been posting more on Retry Level, so you can always look for me there. It’s been a tough balance between the two sites!
I’ve been wanting to do a new Starters Untamed for some time now. Pokémon X and Y released some of the most interesting changes to Pokémon games that we’ve seen in a very long time, so I’ve been eager to write about my thoughts and experience in the competitive play realm as they have changed drastically. With the introduction of the new fairy typing, negated resistances of the powerful steel typing, and mega evolutions have brought in so many new strategies into the mix that at first it was quite overwhelming. Because of the huge influx of new concepts brought to competitive play, there are still pieces that have yet to be fully analyzed and tested out. The analysis of this generation of starters will be purely opinionated and, as always, up for (constructive) debate.
This generation’s starters are probably the most interesting that we’ve ever seen. Each contain their complementing dual type that helps counter their opposing foe. Not only that, each starter has their own hidden ability and attacks unique to their own species (aside from Klefki). First up we have Chesnaught, the spiny armor Pokémon. This is the first time we’ve had a non-reptilian grass starter, which has received some mixed feedback (especially from its’ deceptive transition to an awkward looking final evolution). This beefy, intimidating rodent (?) is dawned with the grass/fighting typing, an interesting match up only seen in Breloom and Virizion. It’s stats cater primarily towards a physically strong Pokémon that excels in tanking and physical offense. It’s HP/ATK/DEF clock in at 88/107/122 respectively, which is nothing to take lightly. However, the remaining SpATK, SpDef, and SPD stats are relatively low, only reaching 74/75/64, which leaves Chesnaught vulnerable to the numerous special sweepers that plague competitively play. Its typing, however, acts as a double edged sword. It has plenty of resistances and types that its strong against, but it also comes with six common weaknesses, which include the new fairy typing.
What I love most about Chesnaught is its movepool. It comes with all of the best physical grass type moves like Seed Bomb and Wood Hammer, and it can also learn plenty of useful TMs like Dragon Claw, Stone Edge, Swords Dance, and Earthquake. Perhaps the most interesting thing about Chesnaught is its access to its signature move, Spiky Shield. This moves acts exactly like protect, but damages the opponent if physical contact is made. If playing a more defensive Chesnaught, this combined with Leech Seed can really throw off your opponent by maintaining health and consistent chip damage.
Overall, Chesnaught is a decent addition to the grass type starters and works well up there with the likes of Torterra as far as being a physical tank. Its typing doesn’t really do it any favors, but access to Spiky Shield and other great attacks make it a worthy addition to any team.
Next up we have Delphox, the magical fox Pokémon. Fennekin was easily the fan favorite when the starters were released. We awaited eagerly to see what its final evolution would look like, and Delphox came to us as quite a surprise. Its probably one of the most human-like Pokémon that we’ve seen, and the addition to its magical wand gives it loads of character (not to mention its cry is absolutely horrific). Unfortunately, what Delphox has in aesthetics, it lacks in its abilities as a solid Pokémon. It has the stats of a decent special sweeper, clocking in at 114/100/104 SpAtk, SpDef, and SPD respectively. Its defensive stats aren’t doing it any favors, which make Delphox quite frail if up against a strong, quick opponent. Its typing, fire/psychic, is not the greatest as it leaves it open to the common ghost and dark types, which often out-speed it. Its movepool is a bit of a mixed bag and seems to have lost its identity somewhere in its creation. Should Delphox play its role as a special sweeper? Is it more of a support attacker? It doesn’t have the speed to function well in the sweeping department, and its not defensive enough to remain a support teammate.
I’d have to say that Delphox is sadly the worst of the three starters. It doesn’t excel in any one role in competitive play, which leaves it open to plenty of counters and switch ins. It’s unfortunate as it’s such a cool Pokémon with great concepts and a great design, but it falls short in being anything offensive or anything supportive. There are simply more Pokémon out there to fill this role that can do the job much better than Delphox.
This leaves us with Greninja, the ninja Pokémon. Greninja was probably the biggest surprise for all of us; not many of us were expecting a ninja with its tongue used as a scarf. Greninja not only excels in the coolness factor, but its also a fantastic Pokémon to use. The best of the three starters, really. These are the stats that Delphox should have had; 103/122 in SpAtk and SPD, which allow Greninja to outspeed most of the standard metagame. Its attack also clocks in at 95, which make it a formidable candidate as a physical sweeper, too. Its typing, water and dark, provide far more benefits than counters, however it does leave it open to the new fairy type that plagues the battlefield. Better yet, its movepool is everything we could have hoped and dreamed for in a sweeper. Access to moves like Dark Pulse, Ice Beam, Surf, Grass Knot, U-Turn, Toxic Spikes, and Acrobatics make it difficult to see what Greninja is going to throw out at you.
What makes Greninja so amazing is not just its diverse movepool and useful typing. Its ability, Protean, is arguably one of the most useful Pokémon abilities out there. Protean changes Greninjas type to whatever move it uses. For example, using Ice Beam will change you to a pure ice type. Next, use Grass Knot to change yourself into a pure grass type. This makes Greninja essentially impossible to counter, and it also makes every single move a stab move. This ability alone makes Greninja one of the most versatile Pokémon you can use in a competitive team.
However, Greninja is far from being in the uber tiers. Thankfully, GameFreak balanced out its stats by making it extremely frail, with its HP, Def, and SpDef clocking in at a mere 72/67/71. Also, Greninja isn’t exactly the most powerful attacker out there. It can be a bit difficult for it to 1HKO opponents that are specially defensive or physically defensive, leaving Greninja open to counter measures. Tanks like Blissey and Ferrothorn can take whatever Greninja throws at them (save for attacks not specialized in their defensive stat).
What do you guys think of this generations starters? Do you have a particular favorite? Agree or disagree with my analysis? I’m curious to see how the future generations of starters will compare to this generation. We saw a ton of changes in Pokémon X and Y, most of them necessary to keep the series alive. Hopefully we’ll continue to see more positive changes in the future!

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“I’d have to say that Delphox is sadly the worst of the three starters.” I agree ._.
Loved Fennekin but Delphox kinda sucks compared to Greninja and Chesnaught.
Even the Smogon tiers agree!
Greninja – OU
Chesnaught – UU
Delphox – RU
I played the game and started off with Fennekin. I ended up getting a ditto on wonder trade and bred Fennekin. I ended up trading the babies early on to get other starters. I started leveling up my froakie to use both Froakie and Delphox. Near the end of the game, my Greninja was around level 80-90. My Delphox was around 65-75. q.q
That kind of won’t be a fair comparison if the Froakie you got was Protean…
I don’t think it was. I’m pretty sure it was Torrent. I got it a day after i got the game which was on the official release date for the US.
Totally agrre about Delphox. It’s horrible. I loved Fennekin when they reveal it, but her evolution is so awful… I was hopping a pkmn more similar to Ninetales, or Renamon. But Delphox? It doesn’t even look as femenine as Fennekin was. And its movepool sucks.
After teasing with all those Dedenne items, I think I should switch targets…
http://imgur.com/YYZ5dGZ
http://imgur.com/i3guCmi
Dedenne items 😀
Sigh. Can’t switch to Natu/Xatu items can’t I?
http://imgur.com/OuvFIDL
:OOOOOOOOOO
SOOOOOOOO CUTE <3
No sleep 4 me
I saw those on sale online. I’m going to get a Xatu plush to coincide with the PokeJungle magazine that I will have on display. I even have a place saved for it XD
I wonder how rich the Day Care Couple are with all the money I give them…
Mine would by soo rich
Imagine Heavy’s xD
Afarr i can do a random battle now
Anyone want to have a random battle on showdown?
yes okay 😀
What is your name on their?
Wrong their…
So whats everyone up to
Come on show down and Random battle with us 😀
Spriting :3
just got home. going to eat this mcdonalds food and then continue fishing for a shiny chinchou (caught a shiny remoraid earlier) and then get back to breeding for a shiny fighting type Pokemon 🙂
how goes earth native Ian ?
replaying emerald
I agree.
as i ommented in the best section, the nostalgia is flowing through my veins :3
Mavericks my marshtimp is wrecking everything
Tried to make a sprite for a fakemon that i saw on deviantart
http://i.imgur.com/hVlYpbN.png
with this, i decided to do a resketch of sproot so that it would be easier to get the body and stuff right in sprite-form so that it doesn’t appear awkward.
http://i.imgur.com/a9s152n.jpg
The facial pattern would be a lighter brown with the leaves green and spot on the cheek green and the skin being a peachy color to correlate with the future Grass/Rock typing when it evolves :3
Thoughts?
That first thing reminds me of Spinda.
And is that Sproot in the second picture, or its evolution? Whatever it is, I leik 😀
The thing in the first image reminds me of Oshawott 😮
It was designed by NachtBierrman
Ooh I love the resketch of Sproot. I want to play with it in Amie ^_^
I’m not sure what that Bear/Dunsparce thing is lol.
I didn’t make that one. It was just a test sprite xD
NachtBeirmann on Deviantart did.
http://fc08.deviantart.net/fs71/f/2014/160/2/b/007_mercub_by_nachtbeirmann-d7lqr8l.png
OOOH OMG IT LOOKS MUCH CUTERBLOWN UP ^_^
And if you’d played with Sproot it will be super friendly and playful since they’re extremely social Pokemon
I like it
But i’ve been meaning to tell you something about Sproot’s ear that maybe we should try spriting them with them pointing down because i feel it would make it less awkward
I’ll try it both ways :3 Since elephants usually have floppy ears.
This was the “Beta” Drawing for sproot
Imgur is kinda tricky on my phone
http://i.imgur.com/yS8ry56.jpg
Just regard the weird thing on the forehead as a leaf
Its so cute. Other then the yes. cross eyes. That freaks my out. Im scared now. Thank alot novis….JK I love it! 😀
Thanks xD Enjoy your fear 😮
Article is nice and dandy. I’ll offer my own views on Chesnaught in singles.
1. 88/122 defenses are bulkier than Mega Venusaur
2. The only pokemon that can learn Spikes that Excadrill would never dare to Rapid Spin on nor attempt to swords dance.
3. Unless Aegislash has Flash Cannon (rarely do) Chesnaught walls Aegislash variants with roar + synthesis + bulletproof
4. Terrakion, Landorus-T, Gyarados, Excadrill, Tyranitar, Breloom, Mega Venusaur (Bulletproof), Crawdawnt, Physical Behemoths are walled by Chesnaught.
If Chesnaught receives stealth rock via move tutor in Oras, I wouldn’t be surprised if Chesanught ends up OU. A very well made pokemon, that’s a gem to a very small crowd of defensive players!
It needs drain punch
I will love it if it got drain punch
Dandy?
Space Dandy!
I luv me some dandy.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P4VIiVSiioo
I’ve seen the show earthen. xD I watch it.
It’s good under circumstances. But my playstyle is ensuring I’m able to handle most circumstances and not relying on gimmic strategies. The widespread use of Talonflame doesn’t make Chesnaught a viable option for me.
gimmic strategies? 🙂
Not saying Chesnaught is a gimmic. For that I mean Minimize chansey or stockpile teams. Baton pass teams.
Ahh xD Because I would be ready to show you my “gimmic” strategy anytime 😉
I feel like we can guarantee it’ll get stealth rock. I’m praying Klefki gets it though.Cause of Prankster.
Spiky Sheild such in handy
Chesnaught <33333333333333333333 I just woke up and came online and was reading this article. I was gonna make a post about Chesnaught, but you covered that for me xD
TC! I got the ability capsule! What was the EV spread?
Bold, max HP and defense 🙂
Thanks! <3
I realise that Grass/Fighting is one hell of a defensive typing. Resisting Ground, Dark, Rock, and Water and only neutral to Fighting.
And Chesnaught’s ability makes him that much better, making it immune to the most commonly used Poison attack.
It just needs a little more to move it up to OU, and I think ORAS will give it to him.
Being the only grass starter since venusaur to end up in UU is amazing! 🙂
Hi Chaos, I read back a little and saw you asked if that double battle with Steven was in R/S. It was only in Emerald 🙂
Yeh, I figured it was. Cheers.
I’m still hoping they find a way to incorporate back into ORAS cos it was one of my favourite part of the Emerald Story line…
That awkward yet funny moment if move tutor moves don’t pop up in ORAS and instead are saved until the next Kalos game XD
…..Dont jynx it man. We need those tutors!
XD
Das not funny, das sad
I’m in no rush to get them lol.. but I can see that happening
that isnt funny its death
if they bring back battle frontier they NEED tutor moves
lmao!
If BF returns, Move Tutors will most definitely return…
But they could always have different moves…
*coughsinnohbattlerfronteircough*
I attempted it.
Only really liked the Battle Factory, but that’s because the Battle Factory is always good.
Also 7 facilities are always better than 5 ; )
It was easy af XD
And tucker > life
Plot Twist.
Frontier doesn’t return, and instead, a whole new frontier is made and put in the next Kalos game ^_^
You just love trying to jynx us dont you?
Lmao I do enjoy it
As long as it’s better than the Sinnoh one, and has 7 or more facilities…that are fun
Pike = life
Pike was torturously fun.
When that guys Kirlia/Dusclops would randomly burn and paralyse you, and you have to pray to the heavens the next room you entered would heal all your pokemon….
I agree. What made me say that is the backpacker who gave us the strange souvenir. He said his region has a “Facility” like we wouldn’t believe… which made me think the new frontier is being saved for the new region/kalos revisit
WOW so i wa sin the vurdenturf( sorry for spelling) battle tent and i Finally learned the real battle rules for the battle palace 0____0
wow i got really lucky as a kid XD
Damn you got there fast 0_0
I’m still in Rustboro (Picked may/torchic) but I been sidetracked shiny hunting on my X LOL
can’t wait to play Emerald Frontier I never did before
im in emerald at the route 112
i have mavericks the marshtomp so far cause my tam members are pretty late in the game XD
also a minun helped me beat may 0___0
I’m using Minun in ORAS, don’t underestimate its POWAH D:<
im not and in my emerald run im using altaria 😀
I love you <3333333
Lmao as will mine XD
Minun will be apart of my ORAS team, I’m not sure how good it was in gen 3 though
thunder wave is extremly resourceful XD
You didn’t evolve it into swampert?
not yet its level 34
Its life
I can honestly say i spent 98% of emerald at the Battle Factory
I LOVE it!
The battle pike is my life!!
ITS SHAPED AS A SEVIPER!!!
i love the battle dome,battle pyramid, palace
however the pike was my first ocmpelted one 🙂
Hold on i need to see where im at.
Ok in emerald im at roue 114
Heavy watch out for brendan at the route after slateport
it is hell
Everyone keeps telling me that they had a hard time at the battle, but i’ve NEVER had a hard time there. xD
Probably because you’ve NEVER played it XD
I did tho! XD many times. I’m playing now for goodness sakes! I’ve played a beat every main pokemon game(exapt for cyrestle)
dijja im hurt you would say that. ;~;
How did you not have trouble there XDDD
its notoriously known as the hardestXD
Did you have trouble with whitney?
Yes. I hate whitney. But i dont know then! xDDDD I’ve always got past that part easly! I dont know how! I swear! XDDDD
which starter did you pick? 😮
Lets…First run i chose treecko. Then on my 3rd run(the one im on now) I choose mudkip.
mudkip had it the hardest XD
Maybe it was my team! xD Right now my team is aron, marshstome, Dustox, and sableye
OMG
I’m still hurt </3
Thanks I’ll keep that in mind!!
It’s nice to dedicate an article to the Kalos Starters. I feel that because of Greninja’s outshining everyone, Delphox and Chesnaught are talked about enough.
Chesnaught>Greninja>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Delphox (IMO)
Greninja is very easy to use. He’s super fast, get’s like every move in the game and has the power to back up the speed. I doubt there can be an easier pokemon to use besides “Click Brave Bird” 😛
For a reason i makes me think about my three Brothers
A Burly Slow Powerhouse
a Sneaky deceitful rogue who out speeds me with quick effective moves
and the quiet one that has potential but gets outshines by the others
How about the Shiny coloring of the Kalos starters? I think Chesnaught is the best, but I’m biased af. Greninja’s is cool too, and I have both of them Shiny ^_^
6th gen shines are all really cool
But Chesnaught is the best
Tbh, I think all 3 of them have the best shiny palette’s of all the shiny starters. Specially the grey fennekin. What a beauty
nonononono
shiny sceptile says hi XD
shiny greninja is second and chesnaught is third
I agree with #1 and #2 lol. Fennekin is my third though.
Your not the only one
I got Sherman on my side
Delphox is amaze :3
I once did an emerald run with the most strange Pokemon…cos I was getting bored using the same Pokemon every time
I had
Starter
Weezing
Torkoal
Linoone
Tropius
Skarmory
Needless to say I had very little fire power….but it was fun
I still need to decide on my ORAS Starter
Its just soooooooo hard to choose now!
oh god i realized im gonna have to go against winnona’s bulky altaria 0-0
hopefully mine will conquer it sinc ei now would have type advantage
*bawky 😉
Get ready for Dragon Dance
and Earthquake
And Aerial Ace
Its just designed to Kill
But at least we’ll have Rock Tomb to help
Brawly was annoying tbh.
His Makuhita was super bulky, and Then vital throw after some bulk ups
It was game over
I kinda remember it taking at least 3 tries
I really wish i could remember how my Sapphire Journey played out
Mavericks easily slipped past him 😉
My Sableye beat him easily
knock off tho
Watch out for DD
Once…I skipped all the way ahead to Liliycove, bought the Blizzard TM from the Department store, taught it my Tentacruel….then went back to face that monster…
Defense hordes are soooo annoying. ;_;
You’re annoying
And just EQ D:
You’re annoying.
chico you have to break the mold 😉
I don’t have a mold breaker pokemknnnnn
Mega Milotic Mold Breaker confirmed
I’d rather have wonder guard. Thx
What about Beauty Guard?
and change her typing to grass/ice 🙂
I’ll change your typing to azz ho. ;_;
az confirmed in oras
ORAZZ
lets keep mega milotic water fairy
The mega nobody sees coming….
http://cdn.bulbagarden.net/upload/6/60/340Whiscash.png
Master ball fail confirmed
HE ATE IT
triple type water/ground/dragon
I was hoping it’d get Electric =(
Don’t mind that xD
LMFAOOOO
Sap Sipper Mega Whiscash….calling it
i did XD i want water dragon for wishcash
It can learn Dragon Dance
I want Electric/Water or Electric/Ground =(
Heavy, do you have the Swablu egg?
If you do, can you trade now?
yeah I have a bunch of swablu eggs unhatched, the 5ivs will be random. I’m online (not sure if you still have me or not)
I do give me a sec
OO thanks for the mental herb!!
You should also check the moves and the nature.
Works with Miley.
Ooh It has cool moves. But mine has better ^__^
http://s21.postimg.org/o7it4kfbr/licki.png
Mine needs it’s Protection from the Toxic 😉
haha I know, mine isn’t competitive trained. I only bred those egg moves on it just to have egg moves lol
I never actually end up using egg moves.
I just like to have them.
LMAO OMG that’s totally me! I always end up deleting them. I just like to show them cause they’re pretty lol. And can be retaught since gen 6 has memories.
that muddy water 😉 dont drink its….its contaminated 😉
^_^
Lickitung can learn Muddy Water?
My water is so muddy
Yup, pass it over with swampert – monster egg group
Your welcome
You’re
XD
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S_BBUpHLQk4&list=PL9793A30C55CED7F6&index=87 Im just gonna leave this here and go work on my book.
Um… Thats Sinnoh…. so no
I know :3
I prefer pokeremix studio 😛
I like GlitchxCity but all her remixes have the same patterns
Eh. Most have some KH thrown into them.
That’s why I’m not a fan xD.
I never liked this.
Thanks Djja for the randoms It was really fun 😀
You’re welcome! 🙂
😮 😮 😮
Correct usage of “You’re”.
Who are you and what did you do to Djja?
I am djja.
Lies.
Wait lets see if it is him! Dijja! Sinnoh or Hoenn?
“Sinnoh or Hoenn”
13 letters
4th and 3rd gen
13 – 7 = 6
The first syllable of “Sinnoh”
Is three letters.
6-3 = 3.
HURNNNNN
CONFURMEDMRDXILGFWHDILSXg
HOENEENEILRKHdiglkwhafesIUKSTYi
Hoenn.
I expect to hear this battling e4 in oras 😛
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Cm93tp3CUs&index=42&list=UUrApZGe8ZlRy1T1Ud4KQwFQ
So, Modest nature, Natural Cure, IVs in Attack, Defense, Special Attack, Special Defense, and Speed.
Heavy…
YOU GAVE ME A 5 IV SWABLU.
:O
Where HP?
Shoot I meant 5
BIG Difference
I thought he said HP but no…
Well i better start re-breeding until u got one with everything but attack
butterbird confirmed
*Swagold
I better get Mamoswine ready
Told ya it would be 5 =)
I don’t know what to train it in other than Special Attack omf.
Everything but attack
Max Hp
156 SpA
96 SpD
4 Speed?
I really need some new Strategy Ideas
I feel I’ve been on a losing streak for a while…
But its weird, the Earthen Warriors is the team i know better then anyone else and got the most wins from their work
You wanna fite
Naw i just want to come up with some new ideas for Poke
I’ve had the same problem lately. I lost my last 2 or 3 matches. I switched out a few pokes in my Geo-team but I have to come up with a new strategy soon.
I still wanna battle you soon
I have an unreleased legend in my team that I refuse to move.
Okay :>
I will still battle
Oh, well in that case, I’m online… Lol.
Here i come
U mean Volcanion?
Pfft.. I wish.
Diancie
The Queen.
Yeah, but sometimes you’re the best when doing what you do best
Mine is to use smear the opponents with raw brute force
Good point Ian. Very good point.
Some people are naturally defensive
some are tricksters
some just go all out attack
and there’s nothing wrong with any of these
You’re right. Made me realize I should stick to what I know best.
I tested out a Talonflame yesterday for the first time. I didn’t like the feel of using so many OU pokes lol.
I primarily use UU or NU Pokémon. :p
I want to create an original team with nonstandard moveset so I won’t be predictable.
^^^ this! That’s usually my goal too. Greninja is OU but i tested out a physical/sub set and it worked wonders.
Like i tried to make the most cheapest team ever but i got mowed down because i didn’t know how to use any of them
But also with this we must also learn how to adapt otherwise our strengths will become stagnant
I can help you test your team, if you want. Just say the word.
You beat me
When was this?
Sorry my brain’s kinda screwy today
Yesterday night
Man my brain must be rotting out or something
you beat my sableye with rock wreaker?
Now i remember
The Hoenn E4 theme is arguably one of the most badass themes of all times.
It was the first unique E4 theme
and its the best XD