Wow. . .it’s been quite a while, folks! I’ve been keeping up with the site, but I haven’t posted anything in some time. I’ve been posting more on Retry Level, so you can always look for me there. It’s been a tough balance between the two sites!
I’ve been wanting to do a new Starters Untamed for some time now. Pokémon X and Y released some of the most interesting changes to Pokémon games that we’ve seen in a very long time, so I’ve been eager to write about my thoughts and experience in the competitive play realm as they have changed drastically. With the introduction of the new fairy typing, negated resistances of the powerful steel typing, and mega evolutions have brought in so many new strategies into the mix that at first it was quite overwhelming. Because of the huge influx of new concepts brought to competitive play, there are still pieces that have yet to be fully analyzed and tested out. The analysis of this generation of starters will be purely opinionated and, as always, up for (constructive) debate.
This generation’s starters are probably the most interesting that we’ve ever seen. Each contain their complementing dual type that helps counter their opposing foe. Not only that, each starter has their own hidden ability and attacks unique to their own species (aside from Klefki). First up we have Chesnaught, the spiny armor Pokémon. This is the first time we’ve had a non-reptilian grass starter, which has received some mixed feedback (especially from its’ deceptive transition to an awkward looking final evolution). This beefy, intimidating rodent (?) is dawned with the grass/fighting typing, an interesting match up only seen in Breloom and Virizion. It’s stats cater primarily towards a physically strong Pokémon that excels in tanking and physical offense. It’s HP/ATK/DEF clock in at 88/107/122 respectively, which is nothing to take lightly. However, the remaining SpATK, SpDef, and SPD stats are relatively low, only reaching 74/75/64, which leaves Chesnaught vulnerable to the numerous special sweepers that plague competitively play. Its typing, however, acts as a double edged sword. It has plenty of resistances and types that its strong against, but it also comes with six common weaknesses, which include the new fairy typing.
What I love most about Chesnaught is its movepool. It comes with all of the best physical grass type moves like Seed Bomb and Wood Hammer, and it can also learn plenty of useful TMs like Dragon Claw, Stone Edge, Swords Dance, and Earthquake. Perhaps the most interesting thing about Chesnaught is its access to its signature move, Spiky Shield. This moves acts exactly like protect, but damages the opponent if physical contact is made. If playing a more defensive Chesnaught, this combined with Leech Seed can really throw off your opponent by maintaining health and consistent chip damage.
Overall, Chesnaught is a decent addition to the grass type starters and works well up there with the likes of Torterra as far as being a physical tank. Its typing doesn’t really do it any favors, but access to Spiky Shield and other great attacks make it a worthy addition to any team.
Next up we have Delphox, the magical fox Pokémon. Fennekin was easily the fan favorite when the starters were released. We awaited eagerly to see what its final evolution would look like, and Delphox came to us as quite a surprise. Its probably one of the most human-like Pokémon that we’ve seen, and the addition to its magical wand gives it loads of character (not to mention its cry is absolutely horrific). Unfortunately, what Delphox has in aesthetics, it lacks in its abilities as a solid Pokémon. It has the stats of a decent special sweeper, clocking in at 114/100/104 SpAtk, SpDef, and SPD respectively. Its defensive stats aren’t doing it any favors, which make Delphox quite frail if up against a strong, quick opponent. Its typing, fire/psychic, is not the greatest as it leaves it open to the common ghost and dark types, which often out-speed it. Its movepool is a bit of a mixed bag and seems to have lost its identity somewhere in its creation. Should Delphox play its role as a special sweeper? Is it more of a support attacker? It doesn’t have the speed to function well in the sweeping department, and its not defensive enough to remain a support teammate.
I’d have to say that Delphox is sadly the worst of the three starters. It doesn’t excel in any one role in competitive play, which leaves it open to plenty of counters and switch ins. It’s unfortunate as it’s such a cool Pokémon with great concepts and a great design, but it falls short in being anything offensive or anything supportive. There are simply more Pokémon out there to fill this role that can do the job much better than Delphox.
This leaves us with Greninja, the ninja Pokémon. Greninja was probably the biggest surprise for all of us; not many of us were expecting a ninja with its tongue used as a scarf. Greninja not only excels in the coolness factor, but its also a fantastic Pokémon to use. The best of the three starters, really. These are the stats that Delphox should have had; 103/122 in SpAtk and SPD, which allow Greninja to outspeed most of the standard metagame. Its attack also clocks in at 95, which make it a formidable candidate as a physical sweeper, too. Its typing, water and dark, provide far more benefits than counters, however it does leave it open to the new fairy type that plagues the battlefield. Better yet, its movepool is everything we could have hoped and dreamed for in a sweeper. Access to moves like Dark Pulse, Ice Beam, Surf, Grass Knot, U-Turn, Toxic Spikes, and Acrobatics make it difficult to see what Greninja is going to throw out at you.
What makes Greninja so amazing is not just its diverse movepool and useful typing. Its ability, Protean, is arguably one of the most useful Pokémon abilities out there. Protean changes Greninjas type to whatever move it uses. For example, using Ice Beam will change you to a pure ice type. Next, use Grass Knot to change yourself into a pure grass type. This makes Greninja essentially impossible to counter, and it also makes every single move a stab move. This ability alone makes Greninja one of the most versatile Pokémon you can use in a competitive team.
However, Greninja is far from being in the uber tiers. Thankfully, GameFreak balanced out its stats by making it extremely frail, with its HP, Def, and SpDef clocking in at a mere 72/67/71. Also, Greninja isn’t exactly the most powerful attacker out there. It can be a bit difficult for it to 1HKO opponents that are specially defensive or physically defensive, leaving Greninja open to counter measures. Tanks like Blissey and Ferrothorn can take whatever Greninja throws at them (save for attacks not specialized in their defensive stat).
What do you guys think of this generations starters? Do you have a particular favorite? Agree or disagree with my analysis? I’m curious to see how the future generations of starters will compare to this generation. We saw a ton of changes in Pokémon X and Y, most of them necessary to keep the series alive. Hopefully we’ll continue to see more positive changes in the future!

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My rank of E4 in terms of difficulty not including champ (hardest-easiest)
Hoenn
Kanto
Sinnoh
Johto
Kalos
Unova
Hoenn is going to be so easy now
I hope it won’t be
well if use a fairy and fire type it will
Kalos and unovawere both really easy
I would differ. I think it’s Sinnoh > Kanto > Johto > Unova > Hoenn > Kalos. Hoenn is super easy if you bring a Fire-Type. (Grass Type for Emerald.)
In remakes Fairy type
If you bring a fire type to Drake, ur rekd.
Do want to have another random match on Showdown?
I can’t now my brother is on the computor and I am on my phone so showdown won’t work, sorry maybe later
Ight! I that’s fine! 🙂
Hoenn > Unova > Kanto > Sinnoh> Johto > kalos.
Kalos- It was just easy af.
Johto- An easier version of the kanto E4,
and lance was easy af.
Sinnoh- Empoleon could sweep them all
Delphox is my fav of the three ;~;
It has the highest special attack of the three and can actually function with choice scarf very well
Delphox was my favorite too. I had the best team with it!
#teamfennekin4lyfe
I think Delphox works better as a special wall. With access to Will o Wisp, Wish and Mystical Fire, Delphox can wall physical and special attackers.
Delphox can barely wall physical attacks
U wot m8
That’s why you use Will-O-Wisp
Or be smart and switch out? Seriously, people need to think it out as a team member and not a singular pokemon
Uh I don’t think what you said comes into play here
You said it can’t take physical hits, so you switch out…
He said it can be a physical wall, I said I don’t think it could take physical hits, so I was bssically you should switch,. I didj’t say it would faint, if I did then saying what said would make sense
True but will o wisp can be used as a suicide move essentially, usually it carries sub too
ORAS may be painfully easy, but at least the E4 will most likely be in a straight path again.
sorry for keep saying this yea but it probably be easier now with a fairy type
I think they might change the shape of it. The game is going to be a bit easier and that’s not that big of a deal. Just lowing the levels by 1 or 2 isn’t bad. I think the EXP. Share is going to stay the same too!
He means how everything is completely nerfed by fairies 🙁
Oh yea. Fairies are OP. They need more weakness other than Poison & Steel!
Dark wasn’t that great to start with, now it’s just. Why.
Most dark types are frail
You have a good point! I was thinking Fairy was going to be weak to Dark, Poison, Steel, and Ice. (Maybe Grass.) But they just have 2. They have the lowest amount of weakness in Pokemon too. They also got to be immune to Dragons.
Fairies are supposed to be natural so man made things such as pollution(poison) and iron works(swords like steel) it makes sense but to resist fighting and dark I guess it’s to do with being peaceful and not fighting or playing unfair(dark translate form japanese into English being called unfair or foul type)
But for it to be super effective to dark is a bit odd as fighting is supposed to be justice
True. But they should be weak to Dark (opposite to Fairy.), Poison, Steel and Bug. Also, be super-effective against Dragon (not immune), Fighting, and Dark. It should not resist Bug.
chain fish of 29, no shiny chinchou or remoraid yet
I rode round like 6 times this new ralts refuses to make egg
I still have my hitmonlee & ditto in the daycare, i just decided to venture off to azure bay to see if the shiny fish are biting today XD
can’t wait for you hatch your ralts ^_^
I hope you find your chinchou,
These eggs are hatching 4 male 1 frmale, very aggrivating and I still haven’t hatched a 6iv so if I do hatch my shiny now it will be low IV male :/
XD I have a 6iv hitmonlee that i bred some time ago that im using to breed with ditto to give me a shiny 5iv tyrunt, im 15 eggs deep but put it off to see if i can get a shiny fish lol, i’m on a chain of 54 right now. and sorry about the IV problem lol. Keep checking I’m sure you will get a 6iv soon
lmao i said tyrunt i meant tyrogue
XD
Hai dere everyone 🙂
Mega mawile finishes the elite four
Play rough for Sidney
Sucker punch for phoebe
Iron head for glacia
Play rough for drake
For those who have not played Hoenn…
Enjoy.
YESSS SHINY REMORIAD!!!!
Nooice
On a chain of 62, yay!! *continues fishing for chinchou*
congrats man…. You half scared me to death… lol!
thnx, it scared me lol . this purple on it is beautiful
what a beauty
http://oi61.tinypic.com/65o3v8.jpg
Congrats! Remoraid was my first ever shiny Pokemon 😀 Never evolved it xD
Gimme D:
I’m still going to continue to fish. If I catch another one its yours because I’m trying for shiny chinchou
Yay 😀
Any thing that you want for it? 😛
we’ll talk if I find another remoraid lol
Bae http://oi58.tinypic.com/2jxfk8.jpg
be back soon 😛
Any of Reece or Gentleman of Orre are online?
Meanwhile, filler images! (refresh)
OMG THOSE DEDENNES
IM DYING
I’m beating up myself right now because I didn’t get any stuffed toy, especially those ones!
dat calem pillow
There’s also a Serena and Prof. Sycamore one too!
Was there Hoenn stuff there?? 😀
Just mainly the gym leaders folder I showed the other day.
Here’s the back! (ref)
http://i.imgur.com/LzjzZXb.jpg
That poster is hawt bring it to me
I didn’t buy it 🙂
I took a pic of a lot of things I didn’t buy…
I can be online now 🙂
Ok, heading on.
What do you want for it?
Nothing much, really. I don’t mind.
If you’ve got shiny kalos bred competitive pokemon for me to clone that’d be great, but that’s ok.
Well thank you very much for the Ditto, can finally start MMing/iv breeding 🙂
No prob!
I hope they make the Hoenn E4 way over leveled to make up for the fact that fairy type is Sidney and drake’s undoing.
But Fairy types are basically dun against steven.
Fairies? Steven don’t play that shit! XD
“Metagross used Meteor mash”
Your fairy type: “;~; im dead”
Elite 4 will probably be nerfed to have 4 Pokemon like in XY
Don’t make me cry
Why would they do that??? D:
They know the older players have been waiting for it, why would they stilll make it for bratty 6 year olds that complain “pokemon is too hard mommy after soccer practice yell at them”
Not sure tbh. But most of their Pokemon were doubles anyway. Like two salamences, and two altarias.. so I can see why they did that for atleast 2 of the trainers.
The only pokemon before the E4 available in hoenn are
Gardevoir (learns moonblast at 90 though and pheobe will smak dat booti)
azumaril ( pheobe will rek dat ho)
And
*gulp*
Mawile.
(Mega will destroy life)
I bet Dazzling Gleam will be a TM so Garde can use it before it has Moonblast…
This is why I said Elite 4 will probably get nerfed
http://oi60.tinypic.com/21262pj.jpg
Previously Tiana had a Zigzagoon & a Shroomish, now she only has 1 Pokemon.
Better be shroomish.
LMAO I KNOW RIGHT!!
But the youngster stayed te same, so I’m hoping this tiana thing is a mess up and they’ll fix it, or she better have one freaking OP shroomish XD
I don’t want to live on this planet anymore.
Can you run from the pokemon when chain fishing?
Yep, I hold Smoke Ball.
If lisa and tate don’t have 4 pokemon they better be using mega solrock and mega lunatone!
YES!
And since they’re separate trainers, they’re allowed to. :3
Gym leaders using more than three pokémon? My dreams have come true once again! :’)
So are kids getting whinier because back then gamefreak didnt try to appeal to us kids the games were hard
remember when kids were raised right and we didn’t piss our pants when a video game was slightly difficult
What can they do, games are beautiful but they don’t have a clue.
Couldn’t the young ones just not continue playing the games? That’s what I did when I found FR to be too difficult towards the end (of course I was a little kid and taught everything Hyper Beam).
I remember never finishing Ruby’s E4 and I just couldn’t finish the game but that didn’t feel that bad, i don’t know.
Maybe that’s the fear
If they quit one game they might just quit it altogether
I actually did. :'(
Quit FR, and didn’t get back into Pokémon until my friend told me about Black and White, and we both bought them. I got Black.
Lawl, games are about overcoming challenges. If they can’t finish Super Mario 1 or RSE, they should’ve just tried again after leveling up their dudes more. Maybe get help from their parents.
If pokémon could be rated E+10, that’d be great.
IDK why it isn’t. XD
Can we discuss how the youngster of ORAS has the best design of all youngster?
(dat sableye shirt)
Oh and
youngster allen then:
http://i.imgur.com/UHIeXVU.png
youngster allen now:
http://i.imgur.com/wrwLyL3.jpg
At least the amount of HIS pokemon didnt change.
I didn’t notice the Sableye shirt. They hinted at Mega Sableye before it was revealed.
We’re dumb. ;_;
No you are dumb 😀
rued
I’m a blonde. That shouldn’t be a surprise.
I thought the X/Y Youngster was cooler. But… This kid is leaking out sweg.
I didnt like the youngster in x/y
why a sweatshirt with short sleeves?? XD
no kid dresses like that XD
I liked the r/b/y youngster too :3
You got admit. The X/Y Youngster’s encounter theme was sweet. XD
I never paid attention to that honestly XD
Can I see it? :3
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qIf3GNH_RB0 | There you go! 🙂
Oooh it reminds me of the original mario parties.
I liek it
I hope his shorts are still comfy and easy to wear. Wrong Youngster, you say? That is correct.
I wasn’t gonna point that out XD
I got it covered 😛
Ooh nice catch! This gives me hope then 0_0
The only thing Pokemon really needs is a difficulty setting from the beginning…life would be so much better
so bitch ass 5 year olds can settle
THIS! I Agree!
Novice Trainer (Easy)
Common Journey (Medium)
Master Quest (Hard)
Or Advance challenge for the hardest 😉
Ooh that’ll work too XD
Advanced Battle!
Oh dang, you just said that.
and if you pick Master Quest, you won’t have your neighborhood friend teach you how to catch Pokemon. That annoys me. We know how to do that.
Yep pretty much.
Maybe a God mode that doesn’t allow you to use items during battles. ..
Easy Quest, Basic Quest, Advance Quest. 😉
Champion Quest
I’m on the Master Quest (master quest)
I want the whole world to see
I can be the very best
All i got to do is believe
POKEMON
It would be even better with a difficulty that doesn’t allow items to be used during battles….that would be so awesome…
I wonder what the scientists of Rustboro will say now that their prophecies have come true…
OMG ! The Dream World was foreshadowed in the Devon Corporation: “I’m trying to develop a device that visually reproduces the dreams of Pokemon… But it’s not going well.”
Maybe he jumped off the space center since bitch ass fennel stole his idea
LOL dija you have a potty mouth on you today
Es 2 early 4 me ;~;
They might have a different thing to say now, or maybe they’ll say “I tried to develop a device blah blah blah, and it worked!”
I can’t wait to see what they make of it.
…or made it work with the help of Prof. Fennel?
Thank you for reminding me Afarr!! 😀
I wonder how this will sound in 3ds soundfont!!! 😀
(Prepare for nostalgia to hit you like a shovel)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fGburFxXqtQ
oooooh this too
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1PZuytoyykQ
I always skip over Hoenn music. Most of the time as a kid I played the game with my volume lowered… under my covers at night. XD I never really noticed encounter music until 5th generation! This track is really good! 😀
Omg I used to hide my game under my pillows so I could play at night too XDDDD
That’s why Generation 3 between 4 is least memorable for a lot of people! Not saying the music is bad. It’s just that a lot of us did that! XD
Lol. Reading Serebii’s POW.
One of Floatzel’s advantages
‘It’s not a Delphox’
OMG I SAW THAT AND I STARTED DYING XDDDD
Serebii does that to delphox so much I’m actually laughing out loud XD
Lol. I find it so funny myself. Poor Delphox
I have a question.
Was that teaming up with Steven part in R/S or was that just In Emerald? I only ever played Emerald so I don’t know…
All.
I thought it was only in Emerald. XD
Whoever decided that the ability capsule is worth 200 points should die. Athough I must admit it’s super useful.
make a pokemon hold it then clone
Because people could over use it.
I have over 2k BP… 🙂
Okay, ORAS needs an option to highlight several Pokemon and mass release them
Amen. IDK why that isn’t a feature yet.
Because it’s a sad moment that releasing multiple Pokemon is not a cross to bear.
The curse of everyone doing MM… 🙂
True RSE is the first game when they had option to highlight pokemon
and move pokemon