Wow. . .it’s been quite a while, folks! I’ve been keeping up with the site, but I haven’t posted anything in some time. I’ve been posting more on Retry Level, so you can always look for me there. It’s been a tough balance between the two sites!
I’ve been wanting to do a new Starters Untamed for some time now. Pokémon X and Y released some of the most interesting changes to Pokémon games that we’ve seen in a very long time, so I’ve been eager to write about my thoughts and experience in the competitive play realm as they have changed drastically. With the introduction of the new fairy typing, negated resistances of the powerful steel typing, and mega evolutions have brought in so many new strategies into the mix that at first it was quite overwhelming. Because of the huge influx of new concepts brought to competitive play, there are still pieces that have yet to be fully analyzed and tested out. The analysis of this generation of starters will be purely opinionated and, as always, up for (constructive) debate.
This generation’s starters are probably the most interesting that we’ve ever seen. Each contain their complementing dual type that helps counter their opposing foe. Not only that, each starter has their own hidden ability and attacks unique to their own species (aside from Klefki). First up we have Chesnaught, the spiny armor Pokémon. This is the first time we’ve had a non-reptilian grass starter, which has received some mixed feedback (especially from its’ deceptive transition to an awkward looking final evolution). This beefy, intimidating rodent (?) is dawned with the grass/fighting typing, an interesting match up only seen in Breloom and Virizion. It’s stats cater primarily towards a physically strong Pokémon that excels in tanking and physical offense. It’s HP/ATK/DEF clock in at 88/107/122 respectively, which is nothing to take lightly. However, the remaining SpATK, SpDef, and SPD stats are relatively low, only reaching 74/75/64, which leaves Chesnaught vulnerable to the numerous special sweepers that plague competitively play. Its typing, however, acts as a double edged sword. It has plenty of resistances and types that its strong against, but it also comes with six common weaknesses, which include the new fairy typing.
What I love most about Chesnaught is its movepool. It comes with all of the best physical grass type moves like Seed Bomb and Wood Hammer, and it can also learn plenty of useful TMs like Dragon Claw, Stone Edge, Swords Dance, and Earthquake. Perhaps the most interesting thing about Chesnaught is its access to its signature move, Spiky Shield. This moves acts exactly like protect, but damages the opponent if physical contact is made. If playing a more defensive Chesnaught, this combined with Leech Seed can really throw off your opponent by maintaining health and consistent chip damage.
Overall, Chesnaught is a decent addition to the grass type starters and works well up there with the likes of Torterra as far as being a physical tank. Its typing doesn’t really do it any favors, but access to Spiky Shield and other great attacks make it a worthy addition to any team.
Next up we have Delphox, the magical fox Pokémon. Fennekin was easily the fan favorite when the starters were released. We awaited eagerly to see what its final evolution would look like, and Delphox came to us as quite a surprise. Its probably one of the most human-like Pokémon that we’ve seen, and the addition to its magical wand gives it loads of character (not to mention its cry is absolutely horrific). Unfortunately, what Delphox has in aesthetics, it lacks in its abilities as a solid Pokémon. It has the stats of a decent special sweeper, clocking in at 114/100/104 SpAtk, SpDef, and SPD respectively. Its defensive stats aren’t doing it any favors, which make Delphox quite frail if up against a strong, quick opponent. Its typing, fire/psychic, is not the greatest as it leaves it open to the common ghost and dark types, which often out-speed it. Its movepool is a bit of a mixed bag and seems to have lost its identity somewhere in its creation. Should Delphox play its role as a special sweeper? Is it more of a support attacker? It doesn’t have the speed to function well in the sweeping department, and its not defensive enough to remain a support teammate.
I’d have to say that Delphox is sadly the worst of the three starters. It doesn’t excel in any one role in competitive play, which leaves it open to plenty of counters and switch ins. It’s unfortunate as it’s such a cool Pokémon with great concepts and a great design, but it falls short in being anything offensive or anything supportive. There are simply more Pokémon out there to fill this role that can do the job much better than Delphox.
This leaves us with Greninja, the ninja Pokémon. Greninja was probably the biggest surprise for all of us; not many of us were expecting a ninja with its tongue used as a scarf. Greninja not only excels in the coolness factor, but its also a fantastic Pokémon to use. The best of the three starters, really. These are the stats that Delphox should have had; 103/122 in SpAtk and SPD, which allow Greninja to outspeed most of the standard metagame. Its attack also clocks in at 95, which make it a formidable candidate as a physical sweeper, too. Its typing, water and dark, provide far more benefits than counters, however it does leave it open to the new fairy type that plagues the battlefield. Better yet, its movepool is everything we could have hoped and dreamed for in a sweeper. Access to moves like Dark Pulse, Ice Beam, Surf, Grass Knot, U-Turn, Toxic Spikes, and Acrobatics make it difficult to see what Greninja is going to throw out at you.
What makes Greninja so amazing is not just its diverse movepool and useful typing. Its ability, Protean, is arguably one of the most useful Pokémon abilities out there. Protean changes Greninjas type to whatever move it uses. For example, using Ice Beam will change you to a pure ice type. Next, use Grass Knot to change yourself into a pure grass type. This makes Greninja essentially impossible to counter, and it also makes every single move a stab move. This ability alone makes Greninja one of the most versatile Pokémon you can use in a competitive team.
However, Greninja is far from being in the uber tiers. Thankfully, GameFreak balanced out its stats by making it extremely frail, with its HP, Def, and SpDef clocking in at a mere 72/67/71. Also, Greninja isn’t exactly the most powerful attacker out there. It can be a bit difficult for it to 1HKO opponents that are specially defensive or physically defensive, leaving Greninja open to counter measures. Tanks like Blissey and Ferrothorn can take whatever Greninja throws at them (save for attacks not specialized in their defensive stat).
What do you guys think of this generations starters? Do you have a particular favorite? Agree or disagree with my analysis? I’m curious to see how the future generations of starters will compare to this generation. We saw a ton of changes in Pokémon X and Y, most of them necessary to keep the series alive. Hopefully we’ll continue to see more positive changes in the future!

![chesnaught[1]](https://pokejungle.net/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/chesnaught1.gif)
![delphox[1]](https://pokejungle.net/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/delphox1.gif)
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Some more good fanart of ORAS May and Brendan
http://i.imgur.com/iJeCdmt.jpg
(Dats their dad btw)
(Norman)
They are children from different timelines and fighting over who’s got the right to call him dad. Not shown: Max. XD
Well my internet is finally back
Afternoon everyone!
I have never noticed this (refresh for pic):
really?
Wait what was better Bold or Calm because i looked and them Shellos’ is bold
Hoenn is an amazing and awesome region and I love it a lot
Is ORAS released yet?
Almost
So close, yet so far away.
Last time I saw you you turned away~
Lookin at it, all the starters can cancel each other out. At first glance Greninja is the best, but truly studying them results in seeing they can cover each other.
This is what happened
I set up spikes
Greninja switched in
it used ice beam
it turned ice type
I didnt die
I used hammer arm
it died
I don’t see why it would’ve died. It seems that would OHKO it.
My chesnaught is bulk
It has poo special defense. I ran a specially defensive one at one time with max hp and sp. Defense. It was easily taken down. Do you have an assault vest on it?
Nintendo zoomed in palutena’s booty in the E3 trailer ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
DON’T WORRY GULPIN IS HERE! ( ͡° 3 ͡°)
I wish you could actually see the entry hazards in battle. Make it happen GameFreak!
I agree.
I agree with agreeing
wtf. 0_0
x3
I agree with your agree
I disagree with your doctorate degree.
I’ve only got my high school diploma. Sorry hun.
That’s why I disagree with it.
I agree that you like to disagree!
You need summer school.
I agree you need summer school and bacon
I agree with my disagree of your doctorate degree but disagree with summer school for me.
I’m on summer vacation. What you just said involves too much thinking.
Then I agree that you agree with summer school so you can go to college so I can agree with your doctorate degree.
Yes! Just like Battle Revolution
Or in showdown
Nintendo is such a playa company 8)
http://fc08.deviantart.net/fs70/f/2014/163/6/7/palutena_by_agb_gifs-d7m2o7d.gif
Your so funny
http://pkmnspecial0.smackjeeves.com/comics/1901017/page-1/ look a web comic
They like da booty too. I like Nintendo/
they all in 4 chest 2
http://img2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20131129172756/pokemon/images/3/3b/May_posing.png
Surfboard. xD
SERFBORT
Surfboard in ORAS confirmed!
NINTENDO-SLASH CONFIRMED!
I’m trying out a Sinnoh Ash team and Hoenn Ash team! Staraptor just sweeped an entire team lol!
Did you use moves it use ind the anime?
Yes.
Are you gonna evolve his unevolved pokemon XD
No.
Competitive gible and competitive corphish is life
Ash’s Staraptor is by far one of the strongest Flying-type Pokemon he has in his arsenal.
1. Noctowl
2. Staraptor
3. Talonflame (lol)
That shiny noctowl was crazy
It’s a powerhouse when it comes to battling!
Anyone want an Earthen Grade Bunnelby
Outstanding IVs in everything but Sp Attack
Adamant
Huge Power
Male
Basically Ready To Train
i do!
Alrighty
ill getting online now!
Ash’s Staraptor knows Close Combat, Brave Bird, Ariel Ace, and Quick Attack. Ash always goes for Quick Attack and then Close Combat or Brave Bird and then goes for Ariel Ace as a finishing move.
It’s too bad he sucked at battling XD
Actually, Ash was at his peak during the Sinnoh League. It’s also thanks to the Hoenn League and Frontier battles that he became more keen and honed as a trainer. Staraptor always took out at least 1-2 opponents before going down. Heck, he could have sweeped an entire team if Ash felt like it although he would get taken down after spamming Brave Bird and Close Combat.
In sinnoh he only had like 2 really good battles but the rest were bad XD but that’s your opinion and I respect it. Ash was CRAZY good in battle fronteir, they way he beat the frontier brains was too amazing and genius to be overlooked. 😀
I do think Hoenn was the launching pad for Ash. If Hoenn Ash and Sinnoh Ash battled, the only one putting up a good fight against Sinnoh Ash would be Sceptile, the others were mainly supports.
But battle fronteir is definitely his best.
Because he used his old Pokemon for most of the battles.
That doesn’t change the fact that he knew how to battle well
It does. He knows his old Pokemon, they’ve shown what they can do and that allowed Ash to brew strategies on the spot.
1: That STILL doesn’t change the fact that he was AMAZING at battling
2: He used his Hoenn pokemon for a lot of brains.
1. Sinnoh Ash was the only Ash to have been recognized by critics and fans alike to be one of the best
2. His Snorlax sweeped a brain, His Charizard wrecked an Articuno, his Pikachu devastated Lucy, Pikachu beat Anabel, and Branden was beaten by Ash’s Johto and Kanto team put together.
So my may team:
Blaziken
Venasuar
Blastoise
Snorlax
Beautifly
Glaceon
2 op 5 me
because 4 is too mainstream
Yeah i’m kinda screwing myself for ever giving you the idea and team
Dawn’s Team:
Piplup
Togekiss
Mamoswine
Buneary
Typhlosion
Pachirisu
lol wut
http://www.serebii.net/anime/pictures/houen/349/AG61.jpg
Ash torterra won like 0 battles
May’s bulbasaur won more battles than ash’s torterra
Dawn won more battle than Ashs torterra, and that’s saying something
That’s because he’s always pitted against some of the most powerful Pokemon. His only win was against Team Rocket, lol!
Team Rocket, lost
Volkner, lost
Bertha, lost
Paul, lost
1 win and 3 losses
Big Bertha rekd him
Thanks Earthen! Enjoy the Kang 🙂
is it competitively bred or just from the Caves
Comp but missing Atk IV. It has Counter as an egg move with a luxury ball
alright
basically train that bunny in speed and attack and give it quick attack
And you got yourself a Earthen Grade Diggersby
Yup! Idk if i should go Choice Scarf or Band set… or even use it in doubles in a tailwind team
Well what i basically to is try to send it to insta kill something that’s about to die with PUP and just sweep
I haven’t ran Diggersby in a while but when I did I ran Swords Dance/Focus Sash set and it literally shredded tips. 1KO Talonflame with Quick Attack, or pretty much anything that doesn’t resist it lol.
The bowls of Unova o3o
(Ignore this xd)
My Duplica team:
Ditto
Ditto
o uuuuu :3
I love the way may caught bulbasaur.
SHE SAVED ITS LIFEEEEEEE
And her squirtle is so cute I cant stand it! <3
http://ecache.ilbe.com/files/attach/new/20131027/4255758/1865284647/2259197230/83a42f7988fe1bf25e9ef741258c4b02.gif
Keylime pie confimed
http://www.mypokecard.com/en/Gallery/my/galery/umZyc1Nb39j.jpg
Bored. Nothing to do. Guess I can start my next MM session for Numel before Mega Camerupt gets announced ^_^
Now… to grab a female numel off gts and breed egg moves over to it firstly.
How about a Sigilyph?
or use my Spare Shellos (east sea)
I want a shellos 😮
I only got two that i know have near perfect IVs and both of them are in use
Okay
I got tons in the bank
(i’m feeling generous today)
My mind exploded for 2 reasons
Someone here has the bank
Shellos, Shellos Everywhere
I already have a shiny lvl 1 sigilyph IV’d, I do plan to one day breed a competitive/shiny shellos though. I want the blue one though, with acid armor. Thanks for the suggestions 🙂
If you ever get two Shiny East Seas i’ll trade ya something good for it
I don’t know why but i just love Shiny East Gastrodon
East is the blue one right? I love the blue one so much. Made me miss it in XY. And sounds good!
You can MM for me 🙂
XD
Me too 🙂 or I could just battle you XD
*acts like I didn’t see this comment* XD
Before you start, grab a bottle.
Yes don’t forget the most important part of shinies
=(
😀 <3
Forget Camerupt, Simple Numel is the way to go.
May was probably ash’s strongest female protag (I would say misty, but she somehow lost to ash 3 times)
May was bulk af
the way she beat that ariados with squirtle was hawt af
Yeah. May’s an amazing trainer AND coordinator. I bet she would have wrecked Ash’s Unova self!
*retracts head* I’m a good coordinator! oPo
She tied with Ash’s Hoenn self XD
Iris is weak tho! LHH
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zTbI7oxdEuU
I feel bad for Jolteon… got sent to the ceiling with a single Mach Punch…
Some moves are ridiculously op in the anime XD
rollout is not that powerful miltank ;~;
Lies
I’ve got an idea for a final evo of the fire starter that does justice to the first stage o_o
Still experimenting with body types though.
Also, @pokemaster4488:disqus I actually found what you were talking about like less than a month ago when you said @jmblaq:disqus made a pollution legendary 😮
http://i.imgur.com/FGwuWaI.jpg
It looks awesome 😮
For a second I thought you drew this, man Jmblaq is mad talented.
I mentioned Jmblaq to make sure that people knew it wasn’t mine xD
I wouldn’t want credit for his drawings but he is VERY talented o_o
SON your here 😀
Hai 😮
Hai to that hai
Hai Hai Hawaii
Hi wifi! I love you wifi! xD
There’s something in the Wi-Fi !
I like it but
Camerupt plz
Wut? 😮 that was Jmblaq’s drawing.
It still kind of reminds me of camerupt XD
You guise draw connections too suddenly o_o xD the only thing that could give that idea is the thing on the back and hooves. Other than that, it looks nothing like it 😮
It’s like saying that Chespin looks like Sandslash because of the pins on chespin’s head xD
The human brain makes connection a lot, we can’t control it :/
You lied! You told me you weren’t human D:
I am a human brain, tho.
*High pitched* EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
I love it
The Dripping Slime
The Hazing Smog
The mix matched Aura!
But the OC part of my brain feels that it should have numerous smokestacks running down the top of the neck to the base of the spine
Working on my fanfic story in my region 😀