Wow. . .it’s been quite a while, folks! I’ve been keeping up with the site, but I haven’t posted anything in some time. I’ve been posting more on Retry Level, so you can always look for me there. It’s been a tough balance between the two sites!
I’ve been wanting to do a new Starters Untamed for some time now. Pokémon X and Y released some of the most interesting changes to Pokémon games that we’ve seen in a very long time, so I’ve been eager to write about my thoughts and experience in the competitive play realm as they have changed drastically. With the introduction of the new fairy typing, negated resistances of the powerful steel typing, and mega evolutions have brought in so many new strategies into the mix that at first it was quite overwhelming. Because of the huge influx of new concepts brought to competitive play, there are still pieces that have yet to be fully analyzed and tested out. The analysis of this generation of starters will be purely opinionated and, as always, up for (constructive) debate.
This generation’s starters are probably the most interesting that we’ve ever seen. Each contain their complementing dual type that helps counter their opposing foe. Not only that, each starter has their own hidden ability and attacks unique to their own species (aside from Klefki). First up we have Chesnaught, the spiny armor Pokémon. This is the first time we’ve had a non-reptilian grass starter, which has received some mixed feedback (especially from its’ deceptive transition to an awkward looking final evolution). This beefy, intimidating rodent (?) is dawned with the grass/fighting typing, an interesting match up only seen in Breloom and Virizion. It’s stats cater primarily towards a physically strong Pokémon that excels in tanking and physical offense. It’s HP/ATK/DEF clock in at 88/107/122 respectively, which is nothing to take lightly. However, the remaining SpATK, SpDef, and SPD stats are relatively low, only reaching 74/75/64, which leaves Chesnaught vulnerable to the numerous special sweepers that plague competitively play. Its typing, however, acts as a double edged sword. It has plenty of resistances and types that its strong against, but it also comes with six common weaknesses, which include the new fairy typing.
What I love most about Chesnaught is its movepool. It comes with all of the best physical grass type moves like Seed Bomb and Wood Hammer, and it can also learn plenty of useful TMs like Dragon Claw, Stone Edge, Swords Dance, and Earthquake. Perhaps the most interesting thing about Chesnaught is its access to its signature move, Spiky Shield. This moves acts exactly like protect, but damages the opponent if physical contact is made. If playing a more defensive Chesnaught, this combined with Leech Seed can really throw off your opponent by maintaining health and consistent chip damage.
Overall, Chesnaught is a decent addition to the grass type starters and works well up there with the likes of Torterra as far as being a physical tank. Its typing doesn’t really do it any favors, but access to Spiky Shield and other great attacks make it a worthy addition to any team.
Next up we have Delphox, the magical fox Pokémon. Fennekin was easily the fan favorite when the starters were released. We awaited eagerly to see what its final evolution would look like, and Delphox came to us as quite a surprise. Its probably one of the most human-like Pokémon that we’ve seen, and the addition to its magical wand gives it loads of character (not to mention its cry is absolutely horrific). Unfortunately, what Delphox has in aesthetics, it lacks in its abilities as a solid Pokémon. It has the stats of a decent special sweeper, clocking in at 114/100/104 SpAtk, SpDef, and SPD respectively. Its defensive stats aren’t doing it any favors, which make Delphox quite frail if up against a strong, quick opponent. Its typing, fire/psychic, is not the greatest as it leaves it open to the common ghost and dark types, which often out-speed it. Its movepool is a bit of a mixed bag and seems to have lost its identity somewhere in its creation. Should Delphox play its role as a special sweeper? Is it more of a support attacker? It doesn’t have the speed to function well in the sweeping department, and its not defensive enough to remain a support teammate.
I’d have to say that Delphox is sadly the worst of the three starters. It doesn’t excel in any one role in competitive play, which leaves it open to plenty of counters and switch ins. It’s unfortunate as it’s such a cool Pokémon with great concepts and a great design, but it falls short in being anything offensive or anything supportive. There are simply more Pokémon out there to fill this role that can do the job much better than Delphox.
This leaves us with Greninja, the ninja Pokémon. Greninja was probably the biggest surprise for all of us; not many of us were expecting a ninja with its tongue used as a scarf. Greninja not only excels in the coolness factor, but its also a fantastic Pokémon to use. The best of the three starters, really. These are the stats that Delphox should have had; 103/122 in SpAtk and SPD, which allow Greninja to outspeed most of the standard metagame. Its attack also clocks in at 95, which make it a formidable candidate as a physical sweeper, too. Its typing, water and dark, provide far more benefits than counters, however it does leave it open to the new fairy type that plagues the battlefield. Better yet, its movepool is everything we could have hoped and dreamed for in a sweeper. Access to moves like Dark Pulse, Ice Beam, Surf, Grass Knot, U-Turn, Toxic Spikes, and Acrobatics make it difficult to see what Greninja is going to throw out at you.
What makes Greninja so amazing is not just its diverse movepool and useful typing. Its ability, Protean, is arguably one of the most useful Pokémon abilities out there. Protean changes Greninjas type to whatever move it uses. For example, using Ice Beam will change you to a pure ice type. Next, use Grass Knot to change yourself into a pure grass type. This makes Greninja essentially impossible to counter, and it also makes every single move a stab move. This ability alone makes Greninja one of the most versatile Pokémon you can use in a competitive team.
However, Greninja is far from being in the uber tiers. Thankfully, GameFreak balanced out its stats by making it extremely frail, with its HP, Def, and SpDef clocking in at a mere 72/67/71. Also, Greninja isn’t exactly the most powerful attacker out there. It can be a bit difficult for it to 1HKO opponents that are specially defensive or physically defensive, leaving Greninja open to counter measures. Tanks like Blissey and Ferrothorn can take whatever Greninja throws at them (save for attacks not specialized in their defensive stat).
What do you guys think of this generations starters? Do you have a particular favorite? Agree or disagree with my analysis? I’m curious to see how the future generations of starters will compare to this generation. We saw a ton of changes in Pokémon X and Y, most of them necessary to keep the series alive. Hopefully we’ll continue to see more positive changes in the future!

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@RocketClauncher Strange Souvenir being hawaiin makes complete sense. In Hawaiin Mythology:
Kane took a special magical white clay and formed it into a head. Then the three Gods breathed life into the statue and created the first man. The first man was created in the image of Kane.
Doesn’t that sound/look like the Strange Sourvenir ^_^
new Pokemon (& legend) confirmed 0_0
Come on…I know a new pokemon would be good but it has to be for ORAS you can’t just give a mysterious item then go back to hoenn and leave us hanging till the next region to learn what the item is
Yep. They did that to make us anticipate the next Kalos game.
It’ll be 16 badges all over again, 8 badges in Kalos 8 badges in the new region. Take strange souvenir over to the new region by couriway train and unlock something.
Isn’t the strange souvenir a key item?
Nope. It’s tradable & sellable.
So it can be attached?
Yep 🙂
Hmmmm… Imagine connecting hoenn and kalos. If mega lati@s was found in x and y then they have to be connected, anything new would require them to make an update to x and y which they can do with patches so maybe they can be linked together
it totally does!! I can’t wait to see what they do with this. If it’s based on that mythology, we will get some pretty awesome designs and features!!
Watch, the strange souvenir is just trash.
Watch it contain crushed PP Up.
Watch that when ORAS comes out, we can exchange it for a free Feebas.
Watch it contain the Milotite instead.
rotlmfao this is quite possibly the greatest comment I ever read.
New legendary that is the creator of humans perhaps? Or an ancestor of humans, like Mew is supposedly a ancestor of all Pokemon?
Plot Twist: There’s another new pokémon that hackers couldn’t even discover, and it’s that pokémon that can learn the Thousand moves.
I thought that was for zygarde…ugh I hope so,e things are revealed in ORAS some of these things had to be planned because ORAS had to be planned it would stink to have to wait to find out some secrets
There’s probably a bunch of new Pokemon that hackers couldn’t discover because … they were never put into the games… just like the Mega Hoenn Starters, Mega Sableye etc, we see that it can be possible for them to add more new Pokemon (perpetual generation) to the current 69 roster. Maybe that’s why the number was so low this time.
Exactly but I would think that they could update x and y to allow for the new pokemon and megas etc. why have a whole new transporter thing etc. also don’t forget POKEBANK wouldn’t be just for x and y. So if ORAS can use it then you could be able to trade between the games therefore needing an update for x and y
Because if mega latios and latias were able to be seen in x And y they have to be connected in some way
They were probably just thrown in the games cause of time restraint or something.
Idk. I find it a little Odd to have done that. Latios and latias from hoenn. ORAS confirmed. Clearly something is planned right now
True. Maybe they might get released early as free wifi downloads before november
XY is already susceptible to updates. We are already on version 1.2. I bet they are working on version 1.3 or version 2 as we speak.
We try to connect online on XY and get hit with a required update that in order to sign online we must update our XY games. We do the update which patches in the data to view & trade with the new mega stones.
Exactly!! 🙂 but I still feel that the reason for mega latios and latias data in x and y was to hint a connection to hoenn. But tbh I could be wrong. Only time will tell
And lol this is the fun of speculation and just putting things together
I agree ^_^
What remains a secret to me though is why diancie? Why did she get a mega so soon when we don’t even have her? Is there something in the game concerning her???
I think she might be the link to mega stones in Hoenn. As for her getting a mega, trust me, she needed one lol. I have it and she goes to ANY bullet punch, even from a weedle.
Wow that’s horrible. May I ask how you have one?
It’s great.I feel so productive here. No drama makes it so great 😀
This is why I wonder why I don’t just stay here more? So much better and more fun here? Not everything is random here.
We need Mega Sableye’s official artwork. Kinda surprising it hasn’t been released :S
And stats! I need to know if I should start breeding! xD
Mega Sableye’s too good to have official artwork of itself be revealed this quickly.
It’s funny because Rotom’s genderless.
http://fc09.deviantart.net/fs70/f/2014/163/0/8/rd___mega_sableye____by_tamarinfrog-d7m2eez.png
Kecleon is such a badass in this photo. Shame he isn’t that great. He needs a mega xD
He better get a mega or i’ll return my copy of ORAS.
You wouldn’t dare
I know ^_^ but I’d pee on it.
That’s naaaasssty.
You’d use the instruction manual to watermelon in.
LOL!!!
That’ll void your warranty so you can’t return it, though.
Really? Heavy, looks like you can’t use your keyboard’s warranty. xDDDDD
Do we want to talk about how I got completely destroyed by one 🙁
Great, that inspires me to use mine ^_^
Oh. Well then. He needs a Mega still xD
Maybe because you suck? I’ve never lost a Pokemon to Kecleon. *runs away*
Have you lost to a Kecleon in PMD?
Nopee. Steal all the items. Use escape orb. Honestly, that heist was much better than all of GTA V
Well did they disable the escape orb after theft in Gates to Infinity?
I remember that time in VGC where Kecleon skill-swapped his Protean onto that Charizard Y, making it almost unstoppable. 😀
Lol what if you skill swap the other ability kecleon gets to arceus? Lol would he keep changing color XD
I don’t think you can skill swap with Arceus.
You can’t skill-swap with Arceus though.
But what’s funny, if you skill-swap Drought onto Kec, it’ll re-activate if the weather isn’t sunny. And then you have a grass-type Charizard Y after Solar Beam, allowing it to resist rock-type attacks.
If Kecleon has Prankster, that’d be oven more OP xD
Shadow tag masterball 🙂
Diancie stuff being sold in Pogeymans Center. Diancie for Smash 4?
http://i.imgur.com/BuTHjtKl.jpg
Probably because of that upcoming movie, most likely.
OMG! The Movie’s around the corner!
Yeah… though Jigglypuff’s Smash 64 appearance coincided with its anime appearances… 🙂
YESSS I JUST CAUGHT A SHINY CHINCHOU !!!! (i know no1 is here but thought i’d share with an empty crowd LOL)
this makes two fish chained shinies in a day span. Caught Shiny Remoraid not even a full day ago.
http://oi60.tinypic.com/106ivjr.jpg
can you like stop being so damn lucky xD Also, might wanna check your chatango
Ahh I’ll check it out haha. I be forgetting about that thing.
One of me is equal to 10 of them XD Just kidding. Great find, and a beautiful shiny!
^_^ shinyxatu >>> a shiny.
The Large player on YouTube has increased in size again 😀 It now fits almost the whole screen and has grey side borders. I’m assuming that they are prepping for 4K resolution, because 1080P looks ever so slightly more diluted with this change.
@BigGuyI:disqus Here’s Manickle the ghost/steel type sprite pokemon. Sorry if its not what you imagined but thats how I thought it look like according to your description.
@disqus_MRslUvsVha:disqus Here’s Primal/Prehistoric Zekrom! It has the yin/yang sign in all its crest!
I can color these if you guise want!
The Ying Yang Symbol was a sweet addition. *In before Gamefreak steals this idea LOL.
The Original Pokemon is so adorable. It does quite literally look like Ian’s description of it. Can’t wait for them to see both
Thanks HeavyMetalFairy! I want them to see it too! I guess I drew them so late that everyone went to sleep?
I doubt fennekin was the fan-favorite when the starters were released. Most of the time I saw #TeamChespin or #TeamFroakie while many people just hoped that fennekin wasn’t going to evolve into a fighting type.
Olololololololollolol. Your kidding right e.e when fennekin was shown, it was extremely popular and dominated the polls and fan art scene. You probably saw some Pokemon hipsters trying to be cool and different by going against the grain.
* reads best comments*
You guys are nasty .-.
That was my reaction too…
Design-wise, I was Fennekin all the way to Delphox at first. I didn’t like Chespin’s evos, and I didn’t like Frokaie AND its evos either.
Of course, this article is about combat effectiveness, and combat effectiveness is not a good measure of fan preference. I don’t recall people hopping off the Fennekin and Braixen hype train just because Delphox ended up being “only” RU in Smogon Tiers.
I think I’m the only one who likes Delphox for it’s design.
I love Delphox out the three. Its also the first feminine fire starter, too!
Well, I think the feminine part was unintentional. I mean, his “dress” is really a robe. I’m glad I’m not the only one who thinks that way though 😀
hmm never thought about that! haha When I first played X and Y, I kept turning on and off the game until I got a female because it just seemed right to me. :p
Ah, true, But I named my Delphox Kenny, since Delphox always dies quickly xD, and so I’m used to it being seen as male.
Wow that’s so funny! Fire and psychic was never really a great match up anyways. haha
It was always was a fun type though. Loved using it in X. It was useful ^_^
Victini could make it work, but then again, it had a broken-ass 180 power fire move, only reason it’s used more than Delphox…
Haha, I soft reset for a girl for all starters though (except my first playthrough ever with Mudkip).
It looks feminine but then, Delphox is supposed to be a wizard (with the Greninja being the “thief” and the Chesnaught being the “fighter”) that’s why it has robes. Yeah it’s probably unintentional. But I guess you already knew that.
@BigGuyI:disqus
Here’s Manickle the ghost/steel type sprite pokemon. Sorry if its not
what you imagined but thats how I thought it look like according to your
description.
@disqus_MRslUvsVha:disqus Here’s Primal/Prehistoric Zekrom! It has the yin/yang sign in all its crest!
@kingepic2200:disqus Here’s your request for Mega Torterra! I was thinking about coloring the tree pink to make it a cherry blossom tree!
I can color these if you guise want!
Mega Torterra is awesome! Love all three designs 😀
Thanks! I was actually satisfied with these drawings as well.
Gotta say, Mega Torterra’s open mouth of death reminds me of those snapping turtles ^_^
Yesss! Thats what I was going for! haha
Awesome! I love your inspirations for designs. So much creativity 🙂
Well thanks! I get my inspiration from other artistes btw so no biggie. XD
You are a very good artist, do you have a Deviantart account?
Thanks and yes I do!
Its lejohnny711
I like what you did with maniackle
But….. i was kinda looking for more of a “Psychotic” look like a sharp toothy grin with triangular teeth and crazier swirly eyes
its a crazed ghost with a chain straight jacket
This one looks like an innocent Shadowling that was falsely imprisoned
Noivern and Djja and anyone else who lives in that general area:
Stay safe! Heard about tornadoes near Illinois, so be careful guys!
Did anyone notice that it looks like you don’t have to surf to get to the Sootopolis City gym anymore? There seem to be walkways. Thank God, because it got really annoying to constantly have to surf to get to the other side of town.
Really? Where can you see that?
If you look down in the middle you can see pathways across the water part in the middle! Of course my map is zoomed in so you may not be able to see it unless you also do that 😮
I’ve tried zooming in on the map, but I still can’t make it out. Anyway it would be pretty cool if they added those….it did get kind of annoying always having to surf…
Sand bars
Anyone want a Piplup?
1st one’s IV: Homer
HP: 15
ATK: 15
DEF: 15
SP.A: 14
SP.D: 15
SPD: 31 (< Fast penguin waddles)
And he is Naive
2nd one’s IV’s: Razor
HP: 15
ATK: 15
DEF: 31
SP.A: 14
SP.D: 15
SPD: 25
Mild Nature
3rd: Kenji
HP: Bad
ATK: Bad
DEF: Bad
SP.A: Bad
SP.D: Bad
SPD: Bad
Calm with Dragon type Secret Power
I messed up with the IV calc D:
You… aren’t trying to IV calc level 1 Pokemon, are you?
No
It seems that way though… since the IV’s seem to be 15’s and 31’s for the most part… kekeke.
so capcom is for sale … and people is saying nintendo should buy them O: …
do anybody remember the capcom series, Klonoa? I think it’d be awesome if nintendo bought capcom and revived that series 😀 same for megaman!
Klonoa is a Namco series, though. 🙂
It lives on through a webcomic. No games though.
God dammit, they’re closing.
http://www.shiftylook.com/_site/top
We have until September 30 to read the stuff.
I don’t know know how to say that ‘Klonoa’
Chrono-ah. Just replace the “r” sound with “l”, and “ch” with “k”.
I think.
I need to go no Namco school
Hey what sounds more promising
Bold or Calm Gastrodon?
bold
whoa, gastrodon is an amazing choice actually. you shouldve picked him sooner! 😀
I’ve had the Shellos sitting in my boxes for weeks and never did anything with them but their both perfect 5iv (missing speed) but they where both Calm and i wanted a few more opinions
ohhh. hes bulky and annoying so youve found a good catch there XD
Yeah yeah, But i’ve been trying to make a newer team, but the Ol’ Pride is super hard to swallow
BE BOLD
I would personally go calm. Cause of all the power special grass moves. And try to get your defense up with it’s new egg move Acid Armor
I got a plan
‘Cause for the first time in forever~!
;~; MMing is hard and takes very long time 😛
Haha, I don’t do it because I hate low chances of randomness. 🙂
I can stand trying to get 6IV’s though.
But this stance of mine makes me not join lotteries and raffles.
xD Same qq
I think a have a almost 6 IV PKMN I can’t remember 😛
I like raffles xD
We just got a Tornado warning up in here D:
Uh oh. Stay safe dude.
*Runs outside screaming* THROW ME SHINYS OR KANSAS!
THIS AIN’T KANSAS! OR THE YELLOW BRICK ROAD!
The warning is almost up
http://www.nintendolife.com/news/2014/06/weirdness_eiji_aonuma_does_a_cucco_dance_for_realsies
Epic drama it needs a movie
http://puu.sh/9xymr/193618c7c1.gif
FUCKKKK YESSSSS I HATCHED MY SHINY TYROGUE!!!!
Can you imagine
Going to the top of sky pillar
And there
In the 3d
With the sun shining
You find rayquaza
The first dragon legendary
And the background to the battle tho :O It’ll be gorgeous.
I’m cryin already
HE’S SOOO GORGEOUS!!!
http://oi61.tinypic.com/33dc9eh.jpg
He’s just been hatched and is already tired of your shit.
LOOOL ^_^
Good egg moves btw
CONGRATS HEAVYYYYYYTGIDI
Thanks ^_^
3 shinies in 24 hours (remoraid, chinchou, & tyrogue). I’m proud 🙂
just IV checked him, 5IV Adamant missing Defense.
Ignis, in which region/state/other do you live in? Cause the Midwest had some warnings this morning.
Me and noivern are basically surrounded by tornadoes atm
Your neighbors didn’t leave the puppy out again, did they? D:
Nope XD
Lol you’re not the only ones.
I live in the land of the Great Lakes State
Good morning sexy people (every one here especially archeops)
Ily2 bae 😡