Wow. . .it’s been quite a while, folks! I’ve been keeping up with the site, but I haven’t posted anything in some time. I’ve been posting more on Retry Level, so you can always look for me there. It’s been a tough balance between the two sites!
I’ve been wanting to do a new Starters Untamed for some time now. Pokémon X and Y released some of the most interesting changes to Pokémon games that we’ve seen in a very long time, so I’ve been eager to write about my thoughts and experience in the competitive play realm as they have changed drastically. With the introduction of the new fairy typing, negated resistances of the powerful steel typing, and mega evolutions have brought in so many new strategies into the mix that at first it was quite overwhelming. Because of the huge influx of new concepts brought to competitive play, there are still pieces that have yet to be fully analyzed and tested out. The analysis of this generation of starters will be purely opinionated and, as always, up for (constructive) debate.
This generation’s starters are probably the most interesting that we’ve ever seen. Each contain their complementing dual type that helps counter their opposing foe. Not only that, each starter has their own hidden ability and attacks unique to their own species (aside from Klefki). First up we have Chesnaught, the spiny armor Pokémon. This is the first time we’ve had a non-reptilian grass starter, which has received some mixed feedback (especially from its’ deceptive transition to an awkward looking final evolution). This beefy, intimidating rodent (?) is dawned with the grass/fighting typing, an interesting match up only seen in Breloom and Virizion. It’s stats cater primarily towards a physically strong Pokémon that excels in tanking and physical offense. It’s HP/ATK/DEF clock in at 88/107/122 respectively, which is nothing to take lightly. However, the remaining SpATK, SpDef, and SPD stats are relatively low, only reaching 74/75/64, which leaves Chesnaught vulnerable to the numerous special sweepers that plague competitively play. Its typing, however, acts as a double edged sword. It has plenty of resistances and types that its strong against, but it also comes with six common weaknesses, which include the new fairy typing.
What I love most about Chesnaught is its movepool. It comes with all of the best physical grass type moves like Seed Bomb and Wood Hammer, and it can also learn plenty of useful TMs like Dragon Claw, Stone Edge, Swords Dance, and Earthquake. Perhaps the most interesting thing about Chesnaught is its access to its signature move, Spiky Shield. This moves acts exactly like protect, but damages the opponent if physical contact is made. If playing a more defensive Chesnaught, this combined with Leech Seed can really throw off your opponent by maintaining health and consistent chip damage.
Overall, Chesnaught is a decent addition to the grass type starters and works well up there with the likes of Torterra as far as being a physical tank. Its typing doesn’t really do it any favors, but access to Spiky Shield and other great attacks make it a worthy addition to any team.
Next up we have Delphox, the magical fox Pokémon. Fennekin was easily the fan favorite when the starters were released. We awaited eagerly to see what its final evolution would look like, and Delphox came to us as quite a surprise. Its probably one of the most human-like Pokémon that we’ve seen, and the addition to its magical wand gives it loads of character (not to mention its cry is absolutely horrific). Unfortunately, what Delphox has in aesthetics, it lacks in its abilities as a solid Pokémon. It has the stats of a decent special sweeper, clocking in at 114/100/104 SpAtk, SpDef, and SPD respectively. Its defensive stats aren’t doing it any favors, which make Delphox quite frail if up against a strong, quick opponent. Its typing, fire/psychic, is not the greatest as it leaves it open to the common ghost and dark types, which often out-speed it. Its movepool is a bit of a mixed bag and seems to have lost its identity somewhere in its creation. Should Delphox play its role as a special sweeper? Is it more of a support attacker? It doesn’t have the speed to function well in the sweeping department, and its not defensive enough to remain a support teammate.
I’d have to say that Delphox is sadly the worst of the three starters. It doesn’t excel in any one role in competitive play, which leaves it open to plenty of counters and switch ins. It’s unfortunate as it’s such a cool Pokémon with great concepts and a great design, but it falls short in being anything offensive or anything supportive. There are simply more Pokémon out there to fill this role that can do the job much better than Delphox.
This leaves us with Greninja, the ninja Pokémon. Greninja was probably the biggest surprise for all of us; not many of us were expecting a ninja with its tongue used as a scarf. Greninja not only excels in the coolness factor, but its also a fantastic Pokémon to use. The best of the three starters, really. These are the stats that Delphox should have had; 103/122 in SpAtk and SPD, which allow Greninja to outspeed most of the standard metagame. Its attack also clocks in at 95, which make it a formidable candidate as a physical sweeper, too. Its typing, water and dark, provide far more benefits than counters, however it does leave it open to the new fairy type that plagues the battlefield. Better yet, its movepool is everything we could have hoped and dreamed for in a sweeper. Access to moves like Dark Pulse, Ice Beam, Surf, Grass Knot, U-Turn, Toxic Spikes, and Acrobatics make it difficult to see what Greninja is going to throw out at you.
What makes Greninja so amazing is not just its diverse movepool and useful typing. Its ability, Protean, is arguably one of the most useful Pokémon abilities out there. Protean changes Greninjas type to whatever move it uses. For example, using Ice Beam will change you to a pure ice type. Next, use Grass Knot to change yourself into a pure grass type. This makes Greninja essentially impossible to counter, and it also makes every single move a stab move. This ability alone makes Greninja one of the most versatile Pokémon you can use in a competitive team.
However, Greninja is far from being in the uber tiers. Thankfully, GameFreak balanced out its stats by making it extremely frail, with its HP, Def, and SpDef clocking in at a mere 72/67/71. Also, Greninja isn’t exactly the most powerful attacker out there. It can be a bit difficult for it to 1HKO opponents that are specially defensive or physically defensive, leaving Greninja open to counter measures. Tanks like Blissey and Ferrothorn can take whatever Greninja throws at them (save for attacks not specialized in their defensive stat).
What do you guys think of this generations starters? Do you have a particular favorite? Agree or disagree with my analysis? I’m curious to see how the future generations of starters will compare to this generation. We saw a ton of changes in Pokémon X and Y, most of them necessary to keep the series alive. Hopefully we’ll continue to see more positive changes in the future!

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Oh mah lordy PMD with Mega Evolution
Pokemon ranger with mega evolution
Pokémon Gale of Darkness Sequel with Shadow Mega Evolution.
Brock vs May is probably one of the most hardcore battles i’ve ever seen.
Eevee vs Marhstomp
No ash vs Paul
Ash vs all frontier brains
Ash vs may
Marshtomp vs eevee got hardcore XD
So? Ash vs May was so hardcore both had to activate blaze and. Overgrow
Don’t get me started in infernapes blaze power 0-0
Yea but all of those have Ash
This is actually a Brock vs May, two protagonist thats not Ash
I disagree.
It’s Ash vs Paul.
I actually think it’s ash vs tucker
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z1wzV6C6kgQ
That’s was a beautiful match ;~;
Especially since Ash wasn’t on either side
Lies.
It was Metapod vs Metapod.
dam daz troo
I’m happy I never saw that episode.
It was hilarious both stood and used harden
I know. I saw an Abridged Episode of it.
😀
I want Mega Darmanitan.
Darmanlytan
Hmmm. It’s got an alternate forme though. So far, SEP (Stone Evolution Pokémon) and FCP (Forme Changing Pokémon) don’t get Megas.
OMG THIS BATTLE WAS SO BAD ASS
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z1wzV6C6kgQ
WATCH IT
OMG ITS AWESOME
Brock vs May was a really Hardcore battle without having Ash on either side
I honestly didn’t know who would win
Paul is Team Magma 😮
#MagmaRepresent
Ew No
#DarkMagmaLeader
Paul aka PJ?
Or Paul from the anime?
PJ
water makes up 80% of our world
#aquarepresent
Much of the oceans are still vastly unexplored. #MagmaRepresent
Because PEople are afraid of water 😉
We can live without it.
http://i.imgur.com/RqOPA.jpg
Give or take 12 seconds.
WE NEEEEEEEDDD ITTTTTTT!!!!!!
He THIRSTY!!!!
~80% of the surface of the world :3
because water is so beautiful the earth shows it off more 😉
#teamaquarepresent
My favorite battle in the Anime w/o Ash participating in it was Dawn’s and Jessie’s “Sky Battle” in DP.
Mine was definitely May vs dawn in the Wallace cup
May vs Solidad probably was the best for me imo
Mine is easily
Ash Vs Paul
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vy3TFEQp-u8&feature=kp
Truly the most intense ground shaking battle that means everything
Keyword abpve was
WITHOUT Ash
Don’t ruin it for me
But that was a good battle
Reseon to many out of to many why the sinnoh anime was the best.
^^^ No.
It may have good battles, but plot wise, it was bad.
Hmmmm idk
My favorite battle with any of the main protagonists is Zoey vs Nando
Even more sinnoh! You all have made me proud!
Saw @slipperysceptile:disqus talking about Paul.
http://37.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lq9j7nguQY1r21lr5o1_500.jpg
The douchey rival we deserved in Gen 4.
He’s the douchey rival I love to hate. :’)
Poor Chimchar though D:
I was honestly relieved to find out that Serena would pick Fenniken, JUST so they could avoid the “Ash gets Fire Starter that was abused by its previous trainer” cliché!
And that one douche from gen 5 who abandoned his tepig.
They actually showed him twice in that series. That’s how important he was.
More Sinnoh! I have been summoned!
Trying to MM for a shiny Piplup 😀
I heard a sinnoh pokemon! Sinnoh confirmed!
Sinnoh
H.
Hoenn.
Hoenn – n = hoen
Hoen + 7= Hoen 7
7-4= 3
gen 3 =hoenn
Hoenn confirmed
That makes absolutely ALL the sense!
7 – (4)
4.
gen 4.
Gen 3.
Hoenn
H = 1 letter
letter: 6 letters
letter -6 = 3
Hoenn confirmed
Hello?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r3sEI5DqXc8
I can feel the sexual tension
#NoSound
#itsnotneeded
Me too.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JpNn_Wp8oAo
bitch I can feel it
*betch
Why does every Fire Starter (except Quilava) Ash owns have to be abused by its past trainer? It’s old and I dislike it. I’m glad Serena picked Fenniken so this cliché could be avoided.
its just the niche
plot twist: Serena dumps Fennekin once it evolves into a Delphox…
But…but it’s Psychic.
Plot twist: Serena dumps.
Red paint. Except it’s not paint.
Mutual relation ship tension?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kKemCT1UHPw
But…but Drew is better for May.
Finally at two minutes 10 seconds May finally asks blacken do something
blaziken
I would love that battle if May did more
That battle was epic! ;D
May and ash splitting a ribbon and saying was the perfect was to end a perfect series.
I like how they showed each other their ribbons again in DP.
may x drew x ash
And then, that one girl from the Silver Conference who had a crush on Ash appears.
IIRC, her name was Macey.
That awkward moment when you realize that Ash’s Infernape’s Blaze is a lot cooler.
It is like it goes Super Saiyan
Hipster Infernape. It went Mega before it was COOL.
Kaioken more so
Cooler.
COOLER. COOOLLERRRRRR
lol puns :3
I loved Ash vs Paul in the Sinnoh league, but that was pretty much it. Only 1 good 6v 6. The rest of the league was sub par.
The reason I think the Hoenn league was the best is because there were 3 very good 6v6s and a lot of the preliminaries were shown. Also just using his Hoenn team gave them all a lot of spotlight
And finally dat Grovyl Leaf Blade uppercut on Walrein
Hoenn anime represent <3
And May's contest battles were amazing, she learned from her mistakes as well as other people's.
Easily the best developed female protag in the series.
XY Anime > Hoenn Anime. Sorry. I still love Hoenn.
Potentially yes. I really hope it turns out to be amazing, but I will judge only once we reach the league. That will be make or break for me…
Oh hands down!
Unless Serena gets a hobby and a new pokemon i cat judge it :/
List of Well Developed Female Protagonists.
1. May
2. Dawn
3. Misty
4. Bonnie
5. Iris
6. GEE WHO ELSE?!?!
Emily Brent
Confirmed for Smash!
7. Nurse Joy
8. Officer Jenny
9-99. Any random girl Ash met.
100. Serena
A gate has more development than Serena!
Because a gate actually has a purpose…..Oh. Snap!!!
How do I upvote this 1000 times?!?!
Would anyone like to multi? :3
Me
I dunno…
Is that a yes?
yes
Me!
Me
Me.
Let me get my FC then and all yall’s 😛
You’re going to have to calm down with the posts there buddy
1177 8206 4884
Nvm I just closed PKMN X with out saving I give up for a while D:
Well, I’m back from community service and a friend’s house.
Today’s Agenda for me:
Finish Anime Article for my website
Start and hopefully finish TCG article for my website
Work on a website banner? IDK.
I missed you guys 😀
Missed you too Sir Dicie!
😀
Missed you too :3
Aww 😀
@chicolombia:disqus Do I have your friend code? I think I do, but I’m not sure.
1177 8206 4884 😛
0259 0525 4842
Added! I’ll let you send the invites then. xD
I’m out of space to add any more friends.
So I can’t add Ignis. You host the multi. 🙂
Meloetta had more character development than Serena and she doesn’t even talk!
Togepi too.
Togepi even had her own two parter episodes dedicated to her!
Pikachu’s ketchup bottle had more development than serena.
Pikachu x Ketchup.
True love
Musterd. Oh snap we got a love tri!
Relish. Well this is squared up!
#BadPunIsBad
The ketchup bottle is so important that it was reunited with Pikachu once again!!!
TRUE LOVE PREVAILS! 😀
But a warewolf Musterd comes in to screw things up!
Musterdwolf Confirmed!
No.
PIKACHU AND KETCHUP WILL NEVER DIE.
THEY ARE MEANT TO BE!
So OTP.
Yes, they are my ultimate OTP. 😉
I kid, but seriously. Don’t mess with Pikachu x Ketchup.
What does OTP stand for? 😮
One True Pairing.
This is a time where a 11 year old (no offense to any 11’s here) would say….BURRRNNNNN
Or a certain Michael Kelso from a certain TV show
😉
Let me get some burn heal :3
I am offended
its okay, you still have your lettuce. Oh, wait.
Ok, I added Chico. Chico and Cascoon are online. Someone add Ignis and host the multi.
Im full
So am I. 😛
Are we being too harsh on Serena. Seriously all the writers have to do is make her do something…she can train with Ash, she can fight someone, she can enter a tournament, she can jump off a cliff, she can ride a damn Rhyhorn…
She can get closer to Ash in a picture
She and Ash could always have….a moment
😉
Anyone can jump off of a cliff XD
But she can’t!
Hell, Bonnie CLIMBED UP A CLIFF!!!!
She can blush.
She can make cookies!
She can wear clothes.
If Ignis doesn’t show up, can we invite Ziia to the multi?
He is not joining “Nvm I just closed PKMN X with out saving I give up for a while D:, ” Ignis
…………………………
Ziia we invite i guess XD
Half of the time Ziia won’t response because she’s doing something else. She has to be here to know…
Sure!
Alright, I’ll try asking Ziia. Sending invites now.
She’s offline :
I realized that after typing that comment. *facepalm*
*sigh*
Hey guys lets get back on the subject of how great sinnoh is!
Sinnoh is so great I found a Shiny Larvitar using the Poke Radar on my 4th encounter…
Sinnoh was so great my diamond was so slow that I burnt it and used it for smores 😀
GTFO
Or we can talk about How great Hoenn was and the fact that its getting remade
“Was”
😉
Then Sinnoh happened
“Get out”
😉
Sorry “IS amazing”;)
And continue bashing Serena like a piñata.
Ash seriously needs to get his Aura back.
He and his crew get seperated in a cave in the next episode for Arceus Sake!
I think they forgot about Ash’s Aura power xD
Such potential wasted.
Sinnoh sucks
:O I loved Sinnoh. It was good. XD
IM DONE! IM FREAKIN DONE!
Okay leave.
More like…BAYLEEF!
I WILL! I’LL FIND OTHER SITE THAT IS NOT ANTI-SINNOH!
It’s called “Hell”
I didn’t know you didn’t like Sinnoh. The anime was awful. But the games were fun. (The had a slow start tho.). Hoenn overall had the best anime! 😀
I liked Sinnoh, but I dont like when people push Hoenn down to promote it ;~;
I want Hoenn to happened first. Then Sinnoh!
Yeah, I can see why. I may love Sinnoh, but I know it’s Hoenn’s time now to shine. I may participate in ‘I love Sinnoh’ convos, but not when they do this.
I know Sinnoh will have its time in the spotlight :3
You are Gentleman of Hoenn are you not?
He’s not acting “Gentleman” like :c
Every one has there breaking points.
Breaking point
Sceptile Solarbeam
Hoenn Confirmed.
We need one more person for this multi please 😀
I have a confession to make. I don’t think I actually completed all of Platinum, I got up to the part where I managed to evolve my Gligar, but then I forgot about it and went back to trying to beat Emeralds Frontier…
Same here, never completed the whole thing.
I got bored after the E4.
At least Game Freak gave us a Bug, Fire, and Ground E4 Member for once.
But I watched Marrilands Walkthrough….so that’s something right?
I was really new to Pokémon game back then. I killed Giratina and saved afterward. 😀
That’s definitely what you are supposed to do, silly 😉
Platinum was my first game.
Pearl was my first game. 🙂
……Go finish it now, or i will (insert cencered brutal muder here)
No.
*Sommons Giratina to drag dijja to the depths of hell* 😀
*Summons rayquaza to stand there and be awesome* 🙂
But is useless like all hoenn legends. 😉
Have fun without water or land bby cakes
I will. Cause i got dimensions bby
Okay have fun with no food or water
I will cause I got food and water in the disortion world.
Along with a centipede.
It’s a lonely place though.
Good. I like to be alone.
You should feel right at home <3
*shots fired*
*catches shot*
*”Not funny”*
*throws back and requests another try*
Like a Po the Panda!
Watch Djja evolve and gain the Ghost Type (because I made up that new type of evolution…Level up in the Distortion World and gain the Ghost Type).
Although I did complete Diamond a couple of times…but there was nothing to do after it, so again back to Emerald.
YAY!!! 😀
Sinnoh had a really good post game. There was an entire island to explore once you were done!
Not to mention the Battle Frontier.
I played that BF in Soul Silver. Only really had fun doing the Battle Factory. Couldn’t bring myself to even bother with the rest…
I like the Battle Hall the most. The one where you battle other Pokémon of a specific type with only one of your Pokémon.
I know. I did all that Diamond. Even caught that Heatran. But then nothing….no challenge to keep me going.
That is when I usually say to myself ‘….Welp, time to restart.’
In X and Y it was different for me due to the ease of connectivity I got into competitive battling. But back then I couldn’t even do that…
Yeah, after that island, it’s really boring. There aren’t many good areas to level up. Just the gym leader rematches.
The sinnoh bf was bad IMO.
oh the experience you are losing
Dang. Platinum was amazing. Good Story and a great post game! 😀 Compared to D/P!
I absolve you of your sins child. NOW GO PLAY PLATINUM!!! 😉