Wow. . .it’s been quite a while, folks! I’ve been keeping up with the site, but I haven’t posted anything in some time. I’ve been posting more on Retry Level, so you can always look for me there. It’s been a tough balance between the two sites!
I’ve been wanting to do a new Starters Untamed for some time now. Pokémon X and Y released some of the most interesting changes to Pokémon games that we’ve seen in a very long time, so I’ve been eager to write about my thoughts and experience in the competitive play realm as they have changed drastically. With the introduction of the new fairy typing, negated resistances of the powerful steel typing, and mega evolutions have brought in so many new strategies into the mix that at first it was quite overwhelming. Because of the huge influx of new concepts brought to competitive play, there are still pieces that have yet to be fully analyzed and tested out. The analysis of this generation of starters will be purely opinionated and, as always, up for (constructive) debate.
This generation’s starters are probably the most interesting that we’ve ever seen. Each contain their complementing dual type that helps counter their opposing foe. Not only that, each starter has their own hidden ability and attacks unique to their own species (aside from Klefki). First up we have Chesnaught, the spiny armor Pokémon. This is the first time we’ve had a non-reptilian grass starter, which has received some mixed feedback (especially from its’ deceptive transition to an awkward looking final evolution). This beefy, intimidating rodent (?) is dawned with the grass/fighting typing, an interesting match up only seen in Breloom and Virizion. It’s stats cater primarily towards a physically strong Pokémon that excels in tanking and physical offense. It’s HP/ATK/DEF clock in at 88/107/122 respectively, which is nothing to take lightly. However, the remaining SpATK, SpDef, and SPD stats are relatively low, only reaching 74/75/64, which leaves Chesnaught vulnerable to the numerous special sweepers that plague competitively play. Its typing, however, acts as a double edged sword. It has plenty of resistances and types that its strong against, but it also comes with six common weaknesses, which include the new fairy typing.
What I love most about Chesnaught is its movepool. It comes with all of the best physical grass type moves like Seed Bomb and Wood Hammer, and it can also learn plenty of useful TMs like Dragon Claw, Stone Edge, Swords Dance, and Earthquake. Perhaps the most interesting thing about Chesnaught is its access to its signature move, Spiky Shield. This moves acts exactly like protect, but damages the opponent if physical contact is made. If playing a more defensive Chesnaught, this combined with Leech Seed can really throw off your opponent by maintaining health and consistent chip damage.
Overall, Chesnaught is a decent addition to the grass type starters and works well up there with the likes of Torterra as far as being a physical tank. Its typing doesn’t really do it any favors, but access to Spiky Shield and other great attacks make it a worthy addition to any team.
Next up we have Delphox, the magical fox Pokémon. Fennekin was easily the fan favorite when the starters were released. We awaited eagerly to see what its final evolution would look like, and Delphox came to us as quite a surprise. Its probably one of the most human-like Pokémon that we’ve seen, and the addition to its magical wand gives it loads of character (not to mention its cry is absolutely horrific). Unfortunately, what Delphox has in aesthetics, it lacks in its abilities as a solid Pokémon. It has the stats of a decent special sweeper, clocking in at 114/100/104 SpAtk, SpDef, and SPD respectively. Its defensive stats aren’t doing it any favors, which make Delphox quite frail if up against a strong, quick opponent. Its typing, fire/psychic, is not the greatest as it leaves it open to the common ghost and dark types, which often out-speed it. Its movepool is a bit of a mixed bag and seems to have lost its identity somewhere in its creation. Should Delphox play its role as a special sweeper? Is it more of a support attacker? It doesn’t have the speed to function well in the sweeping department, and its not defensive enough to remain a support teammate.
I’d have to say that Delphox is sadly the worst of the three starters. It doesn’t excel in any one role in competitive play, which leaves it open to plenty of counters and switch ins. It’s unfortunate as it’s such a cool Pokémon with great concepts and a great design, but it falls short in being anything offensive or anything supportive. There are simply more Pokémon out there to fill this role that can do the job much better than Delphox.
This leaves us with Greninja, the ninja Pokémon. Greninja was probably the biggest surprise for all of us; not many of us were expecting a ninja with its tongue used as a scarf. Greninja not only excels in the coolness factor, but its also a fantastic Pokémon to use. The best of the three starters, really. These are the stats that Delphox should have had; 103/122 in SpAtk and SPD, which allow Greninja to outspeed most of the standard metagame. Its attack also clocks in at 95, which make it a formidable candidate as a physical sweeper, too. Its typing, water and dark, provide far more benefits than counters, however it does leave it open to the new fairy type that plagues the battlefield. Better yet, its movepool is everything we could have hoped and dreamed for in a sweeper. Access to moves like Dark Pulse, Ice Beam, Surf, Grass Knot, U-Turn, Toxic Spikes, and Acrobatics make it difficult to see what Greninja is going to throw out at you.
What makes Greninja so amazing is not just its diverse movepool and useful typing. Its ability, Protean, is arguably one of the most useful Pokémon abilities out there. Protean changes Greninjas type to whatever move it uses. For example, using Ice Beam will change you to a pure ice type. Next, use Grass Knot to change yourself into a pure grass type. This makes Greninja essentially impossible to counter, and it also makes every single move a stab move. This ability alone makes Greninja one of the most versatile Pokémon you can use in a competitive team.
However, Greninja is far from being in the uber tiers. Thankfully, GameFreak balanced out its stats by making it extremely frail, with its HP, Def, and SpDef clocking in at a mere 72/67/71. Also, Greninja isn’t exactly the most powerful attacker out there. It can be a bit difficult for it to 1HKO opponents that are specially defensive or physically defensive, leaving Greninja open to counter measures. Tanks like Blissey and Ferrothorn can take whatever Greninja throws at them (save for attacks not specialized in their defensive stat).
What do you guys think of this generations starters? Do you have a particular favorite? Agree or disagree with my analysis? I’m curious to see how the future generations of starters will compare to this generation. We saw a ton of changes in Pokémon X and Y, most of them necessary to keep the series alive. Hopefully we’ll continue to see more positive changes in the future!

![chesnaught[1]](https://pokejungle.net/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/chesnaught1.gif)
![delphox[1]](https://pokejungle.net/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/delphox1.gif)
![greninja[1]](https://pokejungle.net/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/greninja1.gif)









One more person for multi or riot!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=il03oM7bSc4
Yas
I can try sending invite to a person called Misty on my friend list that I have no idea who.
i can join only give me 5min to turn on the 3ds
Good. Thank you.
😀
readyy
So I saw a YouTube video simply titled “Butts.”
I LOL’d the hardest I have in years.
Before edit: http://i.imgur.com/9ruVIGA.png
After edit: http://i.imgur.com/czGmDBu.png
Eye size makes a difference in Kawaii factor. Smaller eyes are creepier xD
Also @Big_Ol_Booty:disqus : http://i.imgur.com/SFNcD0r.gif
What is that sprite? The fire starter?
I know you work hard on spriting and all, but honestly, I like the old design better.
Plz no hate. Just opinions 😀
You’re entitled to an opinion xD Most people seem to like the old sprite better but i felt like it was too plain and that made shading more difficult ._. After redesigning the water and grass starters, the fire starter just felt out of place o_o I could always try to make it look more like the original sprite but it won’t be the same sprite.
As with Quilladin, it’ll take some time to get used to.
However, we need to get Project JJ on the move. I would’ve liked to release the game this year, but with all of these recreations, that will take away from precious time.
I don’t want to make you work harder than you should. The sprite, I will get used to. Let’s just keep filling up that Pokedex 😀
Is that pyram’s evo? 😮
I think so. It’s too fierce for a base stage.
No 😮
But it looks less fierce for a fire type. 😮
Frost: Too fierce
Igneous: Less fierce
o_______________________o xD
Maybe you could reduce the size of the mane. Just a suggestion.
There’s actually nothing wrong with the mane size .-. The head is larger because i added more of a snout.
I was comparing the before and after sprite. Before, its eyes look more fierce than after.
I’ll see what i can do. The eyes were a bit tiny.
I like the new eyes and the bits of shading. Makes it look better. Does the goat have an official name? XD
Pyram 😮
I think it’s Pyram.
Do you know that the Hoenn Legends are the most metagame defining legends to date. In fact Kyogre was so over powered in Gen 3, that they designed the Gen 4 Mascots to specifically counter it….and they still failed.
Ok, I made that last part up….but still
How did they ever counter Kyogre…
Palkia and Giratina are good checks to it. Especially the choiced variants.
But you can’t rely on a Choiced Kyorge being used all the time
I still wish Groudon got more love
Int wurmple swept my random team twice with a kyogre XD
That does not make me feel better at all
It did with its Mega. It’s now immune to Burn and resists Xerneas Geomancy Moonblast
But will that stop a 4X Water Weakness
Don’t be out against water omfg -_-
Its not about water, its about Kyogre
Um, but still. Why would you dare send out Mega Groudon in on Kyogre, or keeping it out in the first place?
Because that’s what its being compared to
Not it isn’t.. We are saying Groudon got love with it’s Primal form, and how good it is to tank, and you said 4x Water weakness.
A: Kyogre got a primal too, massive Sp Attack and Sp Defense
And Yes a 4X Water Weakness is bad enough sure it doesn’t get burns and a Stab to only Fire Punch but that doesn’t matter if Kyogre can just easily kill off Groudon with a Water Spout round one
WHY WOULD YOU EVEN KEEP GROUDON IN ON KYOGRE? It gets stab on Eruption too, dingas.
STAB ERUPTION WOULDN’T DO ANYTHING TO KYOGRE ITS A SPECIAL MOVE
Again, why would you even try to keep Groudon in? And stop trying to compare Groudon to Kyogre. Kyogre is better, but does that mean Groudon is bad, and has nothing to offer? No. Your logic is appalling.
And seriously, stop trying to cause these pointless arguments. It’s annoying. I’m done here.
The answer is simple, don’t have it against Kyogre, if you’re this thick headed, there’s no sense in arguing anymore. Goodbye
Dont use it against him then k
Dude. Palkia doesn’t stay in on a Dialga cos Dialga wins hands down. Yveltal doesn’t stay in on a Xerneas for the same reason. Its the same situation with Kyogre and Groudon, get over it.
The only Mascots that are possibly evenly matched depending on sets in Ho-Oh and Lugia, and Zekrom and Reshiram
THANK YOU!
My problem is that we weren’t comparing. He brought up its weakness, when we were saying it got love and really tanky.
True. But if it ain’t Choiced it’s not that scary and can be handled by more stuff….defensive Calm Mind Arceus forms, Ho-Oh can kill it with a Brave Bird…e.t.c
how does a kyogre win against a dialga or palkia without sheer cold? It’s movepool isn’t that diverse.
Assault Vest Palkia is awesome.
#Kyogreandgroudonarelove
Hi you guys! I missed you guys 🙁
Team configuration, guys?
o_o
What’s the chance of status infliction for Tri Attack?
20% xD
Ok im leaving. bye. Im ticked. Stupid Region wars. Not evena treaty can stop them. I need time to cool down.
Just wait for the ORAS Hype to settle down. Other regions will probably gain lots of respect maybe.
JK! im not leaving! I just have a bit of anger issues. im good now. sry.
You started it bae.
Technicaly you did by saying you burned the games. but im gonna let that roll over.
You said you’d burn ORAS the other day. I say you guys are even 😛
ily Archy <3
I defend those who need to be defended, whether I hate them or not. It’s nothing 🙂
You hate me??? :OOOO
HELL NO. I’m just saying I’ll defend anyone, if they need to be defended. Apologizes for my poor wording >.< xD
Yay! 😀 Lets watch amnesia now :3
Can we watch it later? It’s still pretty bright outside for me. We need atmosfear
True 😉
It’s bound to happen. We all have opinions. Plus, there’s no reason to put down other regions to achieve your goal.
I love Sinnoh too, and I’ll gladly parade it, but I know that it’s Hoenn’s time to shine. Sinnoh will have time too :3
Guys. I think we could come to an agreement that Hoenn had the best anime. Hands down. Hoenn = Kanto = Johto > Kalos > Sinnoh > Unova. 😉
I agree
This is the most accurate comparison I’ve seen!
Let’s not count our Torchic before they have hatched. XY hasn’t reached its second season yet.
True. The anime is good! Better than Sinnoh and especially Unova.
I give Unova an 8/10 ONLY because it had Cynthia, N, Meloetta, and Giovanni appear!
I take it back. It’s faults are greater than its upsides. 6.8/10.
Kanto was really radical
Johto was really radical too
Hoenn was amazing
Sinnoh was good
Unova
Kalos is great!! 😀
I have no words for Unova either.
All Unova changed was that Ash caught more than 6-7 Pokémon.
Poor Unova anime
The game counter it so its fine
If only it wasn’t babyfied.
Cascoon, who should I attack?
Jynx
Wait how did I live that recoil?!? XD
Haxxxxxx
GG Guys
CRIT SO MATTERED. ;_; GG
GG. XD
I KO’ed a lot of Pokémon.
We did good
That drapion did some work XD
gg
What I want
For Groudon to get Sacred Fire.
I thought Sacred Fire was Ho-oh’s special move?
It was, but then Entei also has it in Gen 6.
Not in this Gen. Entei got it :’D
I realised something about myself from being on this site: I SUCK at pokemon knowledge!! XD
No, you aren’t 😛 Not that many people know tbh
It’s okay xD I look things up just in case to make sure I’m right xD
Time for another pokemania?
It used to be.
Ooooh, I just realized how perfect “Maleficent” is as a nickname for a Shiny Mega Gardevoir xD
….Wat. Why does that make so much sense now that I think about? xD
It’s an awesome nickname.
@Earthern
Guess what Kyogres ultimate non Uber counter is. Gastradon
That’s right Specially Defensive Gastradon with Storm Drain. Immune to Water Spout, Surf, Hydro Pump, Thunder and takes pitiful damage that can easily be recovered off from Ice Beam, then you can Toxic it and watch it slowly die a painful death.
You’re Welcome
You forgot to mention it is a ground type
Ludicolo is pretty good too. Although, not nearly as good as this.
NOPE SHEER COLD
lol who uses dat
a chikn
One Hit KO Clause
Pokemon Clause
NO lettuce Clause
lettuce just be 2 OP
Up ur butt clause?
Too OP….please ban.
Gastrodon can learn Fissure via breeding.
Least somebody’s on my side or something like that…
We give you ideas bro. Al you have to do is listen and not be so stubborn all the time…there are some arguments you will never win, and sometimes its better to concede that try to prove a point that cannot be proven…
Better to go down honorably and admit your mistake than fight an endless war..
Tanks i needed that, but i barely win any arguments both here and home and it just gets me so fired up and sensitive since i always feel everyone has the advantage and i’m just clawing my way up
What are you talking about we offer suggests and you just think negative and say things
Sorry but y’all know i got some issues
Yes, but does that really mean you need to always be negative and mean-spirited? You’ve gotta control it, as hard as it may be.
Not that easy dude
I’ve been in and out of therapists most of my life and i’m still like this
I just can’t shut this off like that
I know, but it seems you have had them for awhile now, can you at least try to control them, letting the emotions overrun won’t be a fair fight, you got to control those emotions with brute force!
But Mr. Archeops says “Brute Force never works” “and i’m too stupid to realize it”
Didn’t you say that Archy
Brute Force doesn’t work in Pokemon battles. And don’t try to put my words against me, it’s rude like that, and you are clearly trying to taunt me. I’m done here.
Everyone does it to me
And its high time i got some kind of advantage
Earthen, you really need this.
http://akamai.paramountcomedy.com/cc/videos/30rock/30Rock_603_kathys_calming_box.jpg
Already got one
http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/71OcA5ctssL._SL1500_.jpg
The poor thing never lasted a year
The calming box is better.
no surroundings 4 u
I can’t calm down
The only way for me to release stress and anger is to burn it out
through violent emotional tantrums and flailing my fists
Not the healthiest way but its the only thing that allows me to vent
flall around in the calming box
its be in shreds
crushed
and 80% likely to be set aflame
Scratch that
I’m freaking crazy in the head
Earthen could always go to UU-RU
not just that but my gastrodon walls the annoying rotom wash
NL is the funniest moderator and the best one at that. That is all.
No?
LOL Everyone else got an upvote because I was being a troll…
LMAO i gib u upvote 😡
NL approves this message.
Agreed
That’s cause NL isn’t human. NL is quesadilla.
Tank you :3
u fat
ur phatter
phatter but fab bae
And my homie fer life <3
He’s the best of them all.
(Kissing up for attention)
attention ho
Little beach
^ Poke Beach 😮
I KNEW IT
Okay. okay. Another edit .-. xD Adjusted the eyes and snout,
Three different variations.
Number One: http://i.imgur.com/5j2bZq8.png
(Made this one more closely resemble the original)
Number Two: http://i.imgur.com/99IohT1.png
(Hybird of the first and newer sprite)
Number Three: http://i.imgur.com/h6yIBtF.png (same as the second with a black collar)
I personally like the second one best 😮
Same. The black and gray go together for a fire theme.
My favorite thing about the design is how the tail turned out. The tail will not change unless it evolves x.x
tails the enchidnahog agrees
Me too.
I went with the second one :3
Ze black collar es nice
Hmm its hard to choose
I personally like the one without the Black Markings (save that for evo #2)
Number one?
Sure
And it looks more like a Deer then a Goat
Thats true but then again. Chespin looks more like a squirrel than a hedgehog.
Its a rodent with a hat leave it at that
The second one!
Number 3.
Number 2.
For contrast and variation. 🙂
The shading looks off on the first one’s head 😛
I am indifferent between #2 & #3
I’d go with number 2 if it was slightly darker gray.
I could do that xD
I think the current gray stands out a bit too much. A slight tweak and it’d be good!
Me gusta number 2!
numbah 2
2nd 😀
The ears… :
But as I said… do your thing and let’s get JJ done ASAP. 🙂
Nothing wrong with the ears imo 😮 They’re just upright like a normal goats’ instead of floppy. Idunno. Goats are weird. Sometimes they have upright ears and sometimes they’ve got floppy ears 😮 The time stuff doesn’t matter right now if i’m taking time to do the starter sprites. It actually really benefits me because it improves my skills as a spriter so that the rest of the regions pokemon can look aweshum 😀 In terms of progression. We won’t be able to progress even if i finish the starter sprites cause we don’t have enough submissions for a regional rodent or bird. We also are missing maps for the interiors of the first town and overworlds for main characters such as the mother and professor, NPCS and the first gym leader. Although we have a sprite for the first gym leader 😮
Kinda looks like a fawn.
it’s been “fawn” talking to you
Then again, Chespin is a hedgehog that looks like a Squirrel 😮
Not really
Shaymin is a hedgehog. Not even closely similar to chespin o_o (I love chespin though)
Well that was a win in a battle for me in a while.
And with that, I’m off.
So you’re just gonna battle and leave me like that? How could you?! :O
I’m off to have dinner. Later!
I just had dinner xD Bye! 😀
Breeding for pseudos are a pain in the hind quarters T.T
@chicolombia:disqus
Just did an adjustment. Can I send it to you via PM so i don’t spam the comments? xD
Sure! :3 My PM is Chicolombia. xD
Streetpass Confrurmed for Smash 4 3DS
https://31.media.tumblr.com/fd25349cb79b8ff765efaa94fd3dd41a/tumblr_n7abkiS4Fk1sw8d3mo1_500.jpg
How does one pronounce Mienshao? That’s the one pokemon I have difficulty saying. Is it Me-N-Sh-Oww?
Yes.
Or since “chow mein” is pronounced “Chow main”
it may be pronounced “Main-sh-ow”
I say
Men- show (like shower without the er)
Me~yen-“C-yow”*
*Think the first syllable of Shower
Me-yen-sha-ow
Mean Sh-Ow
I pronounce it like Mine- Sh-oww
Like the beginning of shower and mine like the german word mein but i’m pretty sure that i’m pronouncing it wrong. It should be pronounced “mēn” not men. xD
Pokemon Statium 3 for WiiU with Hoenn and Kalos gym leaders, who’s with me?
stadium*
I AGREE
Stadium 3 and not PBR 2?
🙂
I disagree. (Insert Colress.) That wouldn’t work too well. I say Hoenn & Sinnoh. 😉