Wow. . .it’s been quite a while, folks! I’ve been keeping up with the site, but I haven’t posted anything in some time. I’ve been posting more on Retry Level, so you can always look for me there. It’s been a tough balance between the two sites!
I’ve been wanting to do a new Starters Untamed for some time now. Pokémon X and Y released some of the most interesting changes to Pokémon games that we’ve seen in a very long time, so I’ve been eager to write about my thoughts and experience in the competitive play realm as they have changed drastically. With the introduction of the new fairy typing, negated resistances of the powerful steel typing, and mega evolutions have brought in so many new strategies into the mix that at first it was quite overwhelming. Because of the huge influx of new concepts brought to competitive play, there are still pieces that have yet to be fully analyzed and tested out. The analysis of this generation of starters will be purely opinionated and, as always, up for (constructive) debate.
This generation’s starters are probably the most interesting that we’ve ever seen. Each contain their complementing dual type that helps counter their opposing foe. Not only that, each starter has their own hidden ability and attacks unique to their own species (aside from Klefki). First up we have Chesnaught, the spiny armor Pokémon. This is the first time we’ve had a non-reptilian grass starter, which has received some mixed feedback (especially from its’ deceptive transition to an awkward looking final evolution). This beefy, intimidating rodent (?) is dawned with the grass/fighting typing, an interesting match up only seen in Breloom and Virizion. It’s stats cater primarily towards a physically strong Pokémon that excels in tanking and physical offense. It’s HP/ATK/DEF clock in at 88/107/122 respectively, which is nothing to take lightly. However, the remaining SpATK, SpDef, and SPD stats are relatively low, only reaching 74/75/64, which leaves Chesnaught vulnerable to the numerous special sweepers that plague competitively play. Its typing, however, acts as a double edged sword. It has plenty of resistances and types that its strong against, but it also comes with six common weaknesses, which include the new fairy typing.
What I love most about Chesnaught is its movepool. It comes with all of the best physical grass type moves like Seed Bomb and Wood Hammer, and it can also learn plenty of useful TMs like Dragon Claw, Stone Edge, Swords Dance, and Earthquake. Perhaps the most interesting thing about Chesnaught is its access to its signature move, Spiky Shield. This moves acts exactly like protect, but damages the opponent if physical contact is made. If playing a more defensive Chesnaught, this combined with Leech Seed can really throw off your opponent by maintaining health and consistent chip damage.
Overall, Chesnaught is a decent addition to the grass type starters and works well up there with the likes of Torterra as far as being a physical tank. Its typing doesn’t really do it any favors, but access to Spiky Shield and other great attacks make it a worthy addition to any team.
Next up we have Delphox, the magical fox Pokémon. Fennekin was easily the fan favorite when the starters were released. We awaited eagerly to see what its final evolution would look like, and Delphox came to us as quite a surprise. Its probably one of the most human-like Pokémon that we’ve seen, and the addition to its magical wand gives it loads of character (not to mention its cry is absolutely horrific). Unfortunately, what Delphox has in aesthetics, it lacks in its abilities as a solid Pokémon. It has the stats of a decent special sweeper, clocking in at 114/100/104 SpAtk, SpDef, and SPD respectively. Its defensive stats aren’t doing it any favors, which make Delphox quite frail if up against a strong, quick opponent. Its typing, fire/psychic, is not the greatest as it leaves it open to the common ghost and dark types, which often out-speed it. Its movepool is a bit of a mixed bag and seems to have lost its identity somewhere in its creation. Should Delphox play its role as a special sweeper? Is it more of a support attacker? It doesn’t have the speed to function well in the sweeping department, and its not defensive enough to remain a support teammate.
I’d have to say that Delphox is sadly the worst of the three starters. It doesn’t excel in any one role in competitive play, which leaves it open to plenty of counters and switch ins. It’s unfortunate as it’s such a cool Pokémon with great concepts and a great design, but it falls short in being anything offensive or anything supportive. There are simply more Pokémon out there to fill this role that can do the job much better than Delphox.
This leaves us with Greninja, the ninja Pokémon. Greninja was probably the biggest surprise for all of us; not many of us were expecting a ninja with its tongue used as a scarf. Greninja not only excels in the coolness factor, but its also a fantastic Pokémon to use. The best of the three starters, really. These are the stats that Delphox should have had; 103/122 in SpAtk and SPD, which allow Greninja to outspeed most of the standard metagame. Its attack also clocks in at 95, which make it a formidable candidate as a physical sweeper, too. Its typing, water and dark, provide far more benefits than counters, however it does leave it open to the new fairy type that plagues the battlefield. Better yet, its movepool is everything we could have hoped and dreamed for in a sweeper. Access to moves like Dark Pulse, Ice Beam, Surf, Grass Knot, U-Turn, Toxic Spikes, and Acrobatics make it difficult to see what Greninja is going to throw out at you.
What makes Greninja so amazing is not just its diverse movepool and useful typing. Its ability, Protean, is arguably one of the most useful Pokémon abilities out there. Protean changes Greninjas type to whatever move it uses. For example, using Ice Beam will change you to a pure ice type. Next, use Grass Knot to change yourself into a pure grass type. This makes Greninja essentially impossible to counter, and it also makes every single move a stab move. This ability alone makes Greninja one of the most versatile Pokémon you can use in a competitive team.
However, Greninja is far from being in the uber tiers. Thankfully, GameFreak balanced out its stats by making it extremely frail, with its HP, Def, and SpDef clocking in at a mere 72/67/71. Also, Greninja isn’t exactly the most powerful attacker out there. It can be a bit difficult for it to 1HKO opponents that are specially defensive or physically defensive, leaving Greninja open to counter measures. Tanks like Blissey and Ferrothorn can take whatever Greninja throws at them (save for attacks not specialized in their defensive stat).
What do you guys think of this generations starters? Do you have a particular favorite? Agree or disagree with my analysis? I’m curious to see how the future generations of starters will compare to this generation. We saw a ton of changes in Pokémon X and Y, most of them necessary to keep the series alive. Hopefully we’ll continue to see more positive changes in the future!

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The original voice actor for shaggy died ;~; qq
Hasn’t he been dead for a while
Zoinks 🙁 That was my favorite show.
Jynx on that “Zoinks” 😮
Zoinks! Wasn’t expecting that news.
YESYESYESYES 6IV!!!!!! RALTS
AND ITS FEMALE!!!
Metal Claw
Focus Blast
If you can hit me in a Sandstorm with your accuracy lowered and with my Sand Rush doubling my speed
Speed Double doesn’t affect accuracy
No Sandstorm Weather lowers accuracy
And the Doubled Speed means i’ll strike first
1. It doesn’t raise accuracy look it up
2. Thats why i can switch out
I said It LOWERS opponent’s Accuracy
No it doesn’t look it up
http://www.serebii.net/games/weather.shtml
I know for a fact that Sandstorm lowers accuracy
No it doesn’t you are wrong, sorry
Ok, you guys can settle this in a duel… with Yu-Gi-Oh cards of course.
Sorry but i’m sick of everyone winning and me always losing
I lost all my matches yesterday… and the day before…
No like i say something then somebody says that pokes holes in what i said
Have you ever thought about if they were ever right?
Then i guess i’m always wrong >:(
What I’m trying to say is, you should stop blaming others and think about any mistakes that you might’ve made.Think about it. If you were in no wrong, and you lose, then you obviously cannot win more then you already can. If you made some mistakes somewhere and you lose, well, you can fix those mistakes in the future to win more.
NLque the food with depth
Sigh
I know i know i know
i’ve been making mistakes all my life and they always affected me negatively
Now i cannot stand losing or being wrong since people will just exploit that an just walk all over me
If you feel like everyone’s teasing is going too far, tell me or any other mod and we’ll tell everyone to stop.As for your mistakes, there’s nothing I or you can do about done mistakes, but you could always think about how you can change for the better.
I couldn’t tell you because they’ll just tell me off that its my fault for getting angry or upset
So are you admitting that that’s the truth? Because I don’t see how that would make a difference
I don’t know what i’m even saying anymore…
You just need to stop putting down others when you lose fair and square. If the teasing persists over Sableye memes and stuff, tell a mod like NL said. But you need to stop complaining after losses. Play the game your own way and have fun doing it, but don’t bitch over a loss and insult the other player for Pokemon they use or strategies they execute.
Well, after all you have been through with this crap, I bet you’re super pissed. And yeah he needs to stop complaining and take his loss as a learning experience. And I agree with that last part, you have to live up to the challenge and do your best. How are you going to win if you don’t have confidence in yourself and your team?
lucky you. I hatched a 6iv tyrogue that can never be a female =(
With today’s technology, gender changing can be arranged…
XD
H4X
Today shall be marked as the most disgusting yet utterly hilarious evening on Pokejungle…
While we’re on the topic of disgusting, lets talk about my
Sandwhich from Arbys 😛
OMG. Almost any sandwhich from Arby’s is gross 0_0
They just don’t know what to do with meat.
It is absolutely terrible xD
So funny, it’ll knock your ___ filled socks off! 😀
The funniest part by far was the nonchalant way on which he said it…
Going to go now. And yes, I scrolled down. Oh, Heavy! ;D
Same. I’ll be back once I hatch my tyrogue lol. *Determined*
Female one
Stocked up on bottles?
Well since half of the first bottle spilled out, I still have half of that bottle to use again ^_^
As well as this pepsi can on reserve.
Question. Do you have to be careful around the Pepsi can….to avoid any ‘injury’
LMFAO I try to aim the line inside the hole.
guys i just fought the most random thing ever:
a gliscor….wait for it……………………………..WITH HYPER CUTTER
Got to stop those damn Intimidaters
A Ditto with a BRAIN
http://i.imgur.com/9ruVIGA.png
http://i.imgur.com/HOej8Il.png
Fixed Pyram a bit and did the shiny :3
Nice 😀
Thanks 😮
Do you have any lore, more fakemon, storyline for me too see? XD
http://i.imgur.com/VlOFjfR.png
This one which is larger than most sprites cause it’s size formatted for JJ 😮
and there was this thread made in november 😮
http://mountmoon.net/topic/12440-the-pokejungle-fan-game/
With links to spreadsheets that have pokemon submissions, gym leaders and such
Okay thanks and I made a fakemon like that allllllllllong time ago
I just feel that it’ll become a Dark Satyr
Likely Fire/Electric to go with the type effectiveness chart.
then what will Atlagoo counter
Grass/Rock>Fire/Electric->Water/Poison but Water/Poison does not > Grass/Rock.
Water/Ice does. Grass and Fire/Electric > Water/Ice so i guess it all works like that o_o
What if it grew a massive Ice Shell
Like an Iceberg type shell? 😮
YES
Like one of those Spirally Shells and Atlagoo move closer and closer to colder regions as they grow closer to evolution
I like water poison more because water ice makes it weak to the both grass types
Must have looked at the wrong chart. Double checking, Grass/Rock is weak to Ice.
Water/Poison is weak to Electric
I know but Water Ice makes it weak to Grass and Rock
Good point.
I like.
The shiny version looks like a wolf in disguise.
Which could make sense if it goes from a cute goat to like a savage minotaur :3
There better be a minotaur line in JJ.
*Gets on that for fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuun*
ANOTHER 6IV RALTS YESSS
Gimme 😮
I just got a 6IV female Snorunt!!
1.Hello!Something new ?
2.What the hell is wrong with @heavymetallamb:disqus!
3.Love is heonn,life is hoenn.
AND UNREFINED~
1. No
2. Good Question
3. Ok
1. Redesigned starters for JJ with sprites 😮
2 He enjoys Watermelons in his socks and Pees in bottles to spill them on keyboards as he continues to type.
3. Shrek is Hoenn. Hoenn is Life.
I saw the new sprites :O Pyram looks strange :/ It looked better with his old design
It looks different but I kind of disagree. The original sprite was too simple which also made shading it properly very awkward. The Sproot tail and the Pyram tails were too similar. Also, when battling an NPC trainer who had all three as a test battle, When i got to Pyram. It looked really estranged from the others.
So I felt obligated to redesign it.
Nope just another day filled with heated augments, emotional turmoil and growth
Just your standard Monday
If ShinyMegaSceptile is here, please PM me, I’m so confused what happened D:
I cannot tag him D:
Can anybody help me evolve a Graveler?
What is everyone’s least favorite type and why?
My least favorite is Rock type because i do not like most of their designs, all rock type gym leaders are easy (except grant), the rock types are mostly slow and bad spD wise, i just do not like them
Same.
I don’t like………….. ground.
Probably Normal. It’s just there for the sake of completion.
Although having said that my Favourite Gym Leader is Norman
Pretty much Water and Psychics
Mostly because everyone uses them so much and they’re often the fan favorite type
Man you are a hipster aren’t you
Lol. Psychic….a fan favourite.
Psychic is one of the worst types from a competitive point of view…
I asked every guy in the College Game room and they said their favorite type is Psychic or Water
Least-favorite: Rock-type, because they’re easy and are one of the slowest Pokemon species out there
Favorite: Water and Grass, Water, enough said and as for Grass, I’m a flower/tree dude
grass they just suck
Is that so? ಠ_ಠ
YOU! DON’T LEAVE! D: I’m so confused about your PM!
Not going anywhere…
I am so confused! All I got was that “ignoring” thing D: Please meet me there?
sorry:(
Joking XD
Probably Poison xD I don’t know a reason, just don’t find myself using Poison types much
u toxic
Least favorite type is Bug.
Most favorite type is Dragon.
GUYS GO TO CHAT TO HEAR NL VOICE
I’m scared I dpn’t want to
I’m having a bit of team problems with Pokemon Y. Which team sounds better? (I’ve already used Froakie & Fennekin. So, I want to play it through with Chespin!)
– Chesnaught, Blastoise, Pyroar, and Mamoswine are the PokemonI already chosen. I can’t choose between Noivern & Altaria and Manectric & Aegislash. XD What would be the best choice?
manetric and noviern jeje
Noivern and Aegislash
How u be bold?
What? XD
He was asking how did you type in bold.
Bold text how u do dat?
space it all together!
and to stop
Bold? 😛
I did it iz zamrt
The best choice is Zekrom.
zekrom is life
Sableye is love
Mudkip.
The best Korea is Zekrom Korea.
Noivern and Aegislash.
Noivern doesn’t have good defenses but it’s the 2nd fastest dragon (Sceeeeptttillleeee!!) and is a good revenge killer.
Altaria is also dragon typed and I don’t think you want two dragons on your team.
Manectric is electric and has a mega so it could be good.
Aegislash covers Noivern’s fairy weakness.
I can trade you a Treeko 😮
I already have one 😮
Weeeellll fine den >:O
Sceptile, showing other dragons what’s what starting November 2014.
Doesn’t count though cause it’s a mega D:
Touche
Please go to Chatango PM real quick 🙁 I really don’t wanna be there atm for other reasons, but I need to figure out what’s wrong D:
I think you misunderstood my OH xD
@ShinyNoivern:disqus For JJ I want to do lore and dex entries plz xP
Sure 😮
Yay! Now SON take my Treecko!
@sceptile0998:disqus http://i.imgur.com/ZIWAYoJ.png
The best
XDD Watch out Dragons lol
I think Chesnaught is one of the best starters defensively along with my boy Swampert <3 . It does the job so well and can take a ton of hits. With Leftovers, Spiky Shield, Leech Seed, Synthesis, and incredible defense, this thing it a force to reckon with. Just switch it out when threats are on the field to something that'll help. I love my little Chesnut and it is a vital part of my team.
And I AM DYING OMG! I just read back and LMFAOOOOO
"Walking with my future kids" killed me @heavymetallamb:disqus
Boy or are you a guuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuurl?
Boy, but the only thing I have spilled on my keyboard is milk…two times XD The bathroom is like right next door 😛
pee
Did you read about Heavy spilling stuff on his keyboard? xD
Yus, and the sock 😛
Put the pee in the sock and shake it all up
Uhh I don’t think he used the sock for pee… XD
your SN had a gender change
Every new PJN post the first few comments must have pee bottles
So did i miss anything while at dinner…
Gender Changes
Whatever…
Might be giving away a shiny later! 😀
Competitively Bred or run of the mill
Run of the mill. I use all my competitive ones xD
Not interested i wouldn’t win
i want it
I still feel bad, I swear I’d never ignore 🙁 Who’s the Shiny?
Me q.q
But you logged off before I could finish, I’ll gladly share the movesets we come up with 🙂
Still thinking, but probably a Venusaur.
Mine I called it
http://www.pinterest.com/pin/228768856044850471/
http://www.pinterest.com/pin/207728601535488921/
Pintrest
Dat second picture. Looks like he’s puking water from his butt. o_o
I thought that too
http://www.pinterest.com/pin/388154061606806517/
which types resist bug dark and/or ghost? oh and if is weak to psychic and/or fighting will be a bonus too!
Fairy resists both I think. But Rock resists Bug and is weak to Fighting as well.
Fairy isn’t weak to fighting it resist fighting
Oh nevermind
i trying to find a physical wall that can switch to my special wall weakness. granbull is the only physical fairy type i know and rock i have to search
Whimsicott is a good physical wall
i actually prefer granbull for a fairy physical wall and i may breed a defensive tyrantrum
Shiny Steven Stone~ actually a nice name :O
SSS
Aggron
I swear, never change your avatar and I will love you forever.
This guy here Steven’s biggest fan 😉
What if i wanted to change it to this? 🙁
http://pokebeach.com/news/0614/omega-ruby-alpha-sapphire-screenshot-23.jpg
I’ll have to keep a sock with me at all times 😉
For the watermelllooooonneeee ? 😮
Mmmmhhmmmmmmmmmmmm
Yo Steven collect any stones lately?
A mega :o!!!!!!
No way! Metagross? 😮
Milotite 🙁
DITTO
That would be lovely ;~; if anyone finds the Metagrossite its Steven D:
That’s so perf.
Mega Metagross would make sense because you get a Beldum from Steven 😮
Post Game though.
That is when you get the MS in XY
http://www.pinterest.com/pin/221239400415290433/
http://www.pinterest.com/pin/209417451395579923/
Not Pokemon but funny http://www.pinterest.com/pin/502292164662063292/
Why is it so quiet
I was wondering thing too