Wow. . .it’s been quite a while, folks! I’ve been keeping up with the site, but I haven’t posted anything in some time. I’ve been posting more on Retry Level, so you can always look for me there. It’s been a tough balance between the two sites!
I’ve been wanting to do a new Starters Untamed for some time now. Pokémon X and Y released some of the most interesting changes to Pokémon games that we’ve seen in a very long time, so I’ve been eager to write about my thoughts and experience in the competitive play realm as they have changed drastically. With the introduction of the new fairy typing, negated resistances of the powerful steel typing, and mega evolutions have brought in so many new strategies into the mix that at first it was quite overwhelming. Because of the huge influx of new concepts brought to competitive play, there are still pieces that have yet to be fully analyzed and tested out. The analysis of this generation of starters will be purely opinionated and, as always, up for (constructive) debate.
This generation’s starters are probably the most interesting that we’ve ever seen. Each contain their complementing dual type that helps counter their opposing foe. Not only that, each starter has their own hidden ability and attacks unique to their own species (aside from Klefki). First up we have Chesnaught, the spiny armor Pokémon. This is the first time we’ve had a non-reptilian grass starter, which has received some mixed feedback (especially from its’ deceptive transition to an awkward looking final evolution). This beefy, intimidating rodent (?) is dawned with the grass/fighting typing, an interesting match up only seen in Breloom and Virizion. It’s stats cater primarily towards a physically strong Pokémon that excels in tanking and physical offense. It’s HP/ATK/DEF clock in at 88/107/122 respectively, which is nothing to take lightly. However, the remaining SpATK, SpDef, and SPD stats are relatively low, only reaching 74/75/64, which leaves Chesnaught vulnerable to the numerous special sweepers that plague competitively play. Its typing, however, acts as a double edged sword. It has plenty of resistances and types that its strong against, but it also comes with six common weaknesses, which include the new fairy typing.
What I love most about Chesnaught is its movepool. It comes with all of the best physical grass type moves like Seed Bomb and Wood Hammer, and it can also learn plenty of useful TMs like Dragon Claw, Stone Edge, Swords Dance, and Earthquake. Perhaps the most interesting thing about Chesnaught is its access to its signature move, Spiky Shield. This moves acts exactly like protect, but damages the opponent if physical contact is made. If playing a more defensive Chesnaught, this combined with Leech Seed can really throw off your opponent by maintaining health and consistent chip damage.
Overall, Chesnaught is a decent addition to the grass type starters and works well up there with the likes of Torterra as far as being a physical tank. Its typing doesn’t really do it any favors, but access to Spiky Shield and other great attacks make it a worthy addition to any team.
Next up we have Delphox, the magical fox Pokémon. Fennekin was easily the fan favorite when the starters were released. We awaited eagerly to see what its final evolution would look like, and Delphox came to us as quite a surprise. Its probably one of the most human-like Pokémon that we’ve seen, and the addition to its magical wand gives it loads of character (not to mention its cry is absolutely horrific). Unfortunately, what Delphox has in aesthetics, it lacks in its abilities as a solid Pokémon. It has the stats of a decent special sweeper, clocking in at 114/100/104 SpAtk, SpDef, and SPD respectively. Its defensive stats aren’t doing it any favors, which make Delphox quite frail if up against a strong, quick opponent. Its typing, fire/psychic, is not the greatest as it leaves it open to the common ghost and dark types, which often out-speed it. Its movepool is a bit of a mixed bag and seems to have lost its identity somewhere in its creation. Should Delphox play its role as a special sweeper? Is it more of a support attacker? It doesn’t have the speed to function well in the sweeping department, and its not defensive enough to remain a support teammate.
I’d have to say that Delphox is sadly the worst of the three starters. It doesn’t excel in any one role in competitive play, which leaves it open to plenty of counters and switch ins. It’s unfortunate as it’s such a cool Pokémon with great concepts and a great design, but it falls short in being anything offensive or anything supportive. There are simply more Pokémon out there to fill this role that can do the job much better than Delphox.
This leaves us with Greninja, the ninja Pokémon. Greninja was probably the biggest surprise for all of us; not many of us were expecting a ninja with its tongue used as a scarf. Greninja not only excels in the coolness factor, but its also a fantastic Pokémon to use. The best of the three starters, really. These are the stats that Delphox should have had; 103/122 in SpAtk and SPD, which allow Greninja to outspeed most of the standard metagame. Its attack also clocks in at 95, which make it a formidable candidate as a physical sweeper, too. Its typing, water and dark, provide far more benefits than counters, however it does leave it open to the new fairy type that plagues the battlefield. Better yet, its movepool is everything we could have hoped and dreamed for in a sweeper. Access to moves like Dark Pulse, Ice Beam, Surf, Grass Knot, U-Turn, Toxic Spikes, and Acrobatics make it difficult to see what Greninja is going to throw out at you.
What makes Greninja so amazing is not just its diverse movepool and useful typing. Its ability, Protean, is arguably one of the most useful Pokémon abilities out there. Protean changes Greninjas type to whatever move it uses. For example, using Ice Beam will change you to a pure ice type. Next, use Grass Knot to change yourself into a pure grass type. This makes Greninja essentially impossible to counter, and it also makes every single move a stab move. This ability alone makes Greninja one of the most versatile Pokémon you can use in a competitive team.
However, Greninja is far from being in the uber tiers. Thankfully, GameFreak balanced out its stats by making it extremely frail, with its HP, Def, and SpDef clocking in at a mere 72/67/71. Also, Greninja isn’t exactly the most powerful attacker out there. It can be a bit difficult for it to 1HKO opponents that are specially defensive or physically defensive, leaving Greninja open to counter measures. Tanks like Blissey and Ferrothorn can take whatever Greninja throws at them (save for attacks not specialized in their defensive stat).
What do you guys think of this generations starters? Do you have a particular favorite? Agree or disagree with my analysis? I’m curious to see how the future generations of starters will compare to this generation. We saw a ton of changes in Pokémon X and Y, most of them necessary to keep the series alive. Hopefully we’ll continue to see more positive changes in the future!

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Results of redesigns. Suggestions?
100/10
Tanks :3
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I LOVE Sproot redesign! 😀
Make them smaller 😮
That’s not possible 😛
xD
It is, but it’ll look terrible 😛
They are perfect 😀
Thanks :3
No Thank you
I’d have a beer with all of them, they are that good.
LMFAOOO ARCHIE!!!
You’re 13. Shut up. 😡
he could always move to Germany where he will be legal in a year…
have you ever heard of the Muppet Man?????
I wouldn’t. That would be illegal 😮
WOW! Looking good! 😀
Thank you :3
Pyrams horns look a little strange… are they in a line?
and why are there 3 😛
There’s two. The other part is on the ear. and you’re right. I gotta fix that 😮
it looked so much like a horn i mistook it 😛
I dunno the strip on Sproot’s face makes him look like an anteater or a tapir
and the ears are too small and thin to be an elephant
I thought that is what is was XD
It could always look more elephant like when it evolves. I just wanted to create a transition effect from Grass/Rock early on and I can’t make the eyes bigger without totally ruining the design o_o
Sproot & the Slug look FANTASTIC!!!
But I’m a bit disappointed the original Pyram got scrapped =( It was soo cute, It was going to be my starter =( This one looks like the middle evolution as opposed to the basic stage
I felt like the original one was too plain so there wasn’t much i could do with the shading and when the redesigns came along for the others, it looked estranged o_o
i really want to train a hitmontop but evolving one is imposible lol
OMG!!! I’m currently collecting eggs for Tyrogue as we speak lol. When I hatch one shiny, if it has HA I’ll train it into Hitmonlee, but if it doesn’t it’ll become a Hitmontop =)
Earthen. I don’t know why you always have to complain about “OP” Pokemon. Part of being a good battler is understanding weaknesses and finding ways to counter Pokemon. You get nowhere simply complaining about them.
I’m not going to lie but that’s his problem. He complains about losing. Just using Physical Pokemon is not going to net you a win! You need even Special and Physical Pokemon. As @Archeops127:disqus said brute force will not allow you to win. Also, be a good sport! It’s just a game!
hearing these terms, like strategic people and brute force people can help me imagine a super cool pokemon scene …
off-topic, but had to say it. im not the only one am i XD
Brute Force can only get you so far. You have to rely on bulky Pokemon to prepare your attackers for the worst. Sticking it in like a “man” gets you no where. You just lost what could have been a valuable asset to your win.
You did not just go der! *head slide side to side*
He needs to stop putting down others because his way of doing things doesn’t always translate to the Win column. Play the game your own way, have fun doing it, but don’t bitch if it doesn’t work out. It’s tiring.
And when I thought my hot, sweaty day couldn’t get any worse… I just spilled pee all over my keyboard.
OMFG. Pee? XD
LMAO YES!
Long story short, I was too lazy to go downstairs and use the toilet like a normal person. So I pee’d in this CanadaDry/Ginger Ale bottle I just finished, filled her all the way up. Kept it next to the keyboard and I maneuvered my hand the wrong way and what do you know… Piss everywhere all on my keyboard =(
THAT IS SO GROSS BUT I CANT STOP LAUGHING XDXDXD
At least you didn’t mistakenly think there was still some in it..
LMFAO!!!! Well I could share another story thats similar to that but I don’t want you guys disturbed ^_^
Does it involve other liquids in places where they shouldn’t?
ROTLMMMFAOOOOO CHICO IM GENUINLY SCREAMIN RIGHT NOW!!! YES IT DOES…
It involves a sock… Went to put the sock on to run outside quick and forgot what I’ve done with that sock.
I can’t even. You put….. the sock….. on!?!? Did you wash your feet? Do you still have that sock?? xD
LMFAO well I mean I did take a shower that day but I didn’t wash my feet immediately after LOL, I thought it was cool walking with my future kids.
STOP! I CANT! YOURE KILLING ME XDDD
“Walking with your future kids” LMFAOOOOOOO. I’M DONEEEE.
OMFG THE CHEERS SONG JUST PLAYED IN MY HEAD
WHY DON’T YOU USE TISSUES? who am i kidding i use socks lmao
I was too lazy to run downstairs to grab tissue lol.
So you’re drank a suspicious fluid too. Yeah, let’s leave that story untold.
Oh….my…..God….I think I just died laughing
That’s the most disgusting but at the same time hilarious thing I’ve read in a long while.
I thought you misspelled something. This is infinitely more entertaining. I can’t breathe, halp.
i dont wanna know how o.o
cant be as hot as it is in Florida tho..
Shiny breeding is that intense, huh? Pee in a bottle so you don’t have to get up?
ROTLMMFAO OMFGGG CHICO YOU KNOW ME SO WELLLLL
You have to be freaking joking.
LMFAO no I’m dead serious!!!
You peed. In a DAMN BOTTLE. SO YOU COULD HUNT FOR SHINIES!
*flips table, flies out of window*
DROOOOOOOLING
SO AM I I’M GOING INSANE HERE
I… I can’t even right now. This….. just too funny. I’m at a coffee shop and trying not to laugh my a$$ off.
I know he wants to breed with Mariah Carey and create the first Music type
ROTLMFAO legendaries can’t breed unfortunately.
That was way too freaking clever. omfg i cant im gonna break down
LMFAO AHH YOU SAW WHAT I DID THERE 😉
Yes I did and i cant take it anymore omfg lmfao
Oh my goodness?
How in the WORLD do you SPILL be on your keyboard?
Wow…I really needed to know this information…
Wait. You spilled pee… XD
Yeah, I pee’d in a bottle and forgot to put the lid on and knocked the bottle over on my keyboard =(
Surprisingly the buttons aren’t sticky.
Why was the bottle on the same level as the keyboard?
And it’s still there. A few inches away from my left hand. And there is still pee in it.
STAHP XD
Buy a new keyboard quick! XD
*Screen shots*
Same here.
I just love how casual you said it XD
I know. it’s like its an everyday thing…no biggie
LMAO I’m truly a gross person
^_^
I’m going to show this to your grandchildren in 60 years, because it’s all mine!
What are your parents/roomate gonna think?
“WHY IN THE WORLD DOES THE KEYBOARD SMELLL LIKE PEE!!!”
LMFAO thankfully my dad or mom never comes up to my room, and they have their own computer. My room is like my apartment lol.
And Heavy with the casual whistle.
*points at the cat*
Were you, um,
drinking a cup of pee by any chance?
I almost did. I think that;s why it fell. I went to reach for the bottle to drink it and knocked it over. Thankfully it spilled before I put it to my precious lips.
why
so are you typing this post of yours with a wet, pee-covered keyboard?
I just realized we can call @ShinyNoivern:disqus SON!
SON you better staph that!
@ Heavy, so you spilled pee all over your keyboard…but you’re still typing?
His mind
OMG XDXDXDXDXD
I’m done. I can’t even.
….No effs were given I guess LOL
Priorities.
The internet must know of this
Yep, it’s surprisingly not sticky at all. I guess it was hot enough that it acted as a cleaning product to my keyboard
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Gonna make a fakemon after you that spills urine to disrupt electric flow.
I really don’t know if pee is supposed to be sticky or not…
I am sitting here with my mouth wide open. XD
Careful. He might pee in it o____o
ROTLMMMFAO I ALMOST KNOCKED THE BOTTLE OVER AGAIN LAUGHING OMFGGGGG
RKelly much
that would involve him hiding in a closet for a certain amount of years.
…
*flies out of window again*
“It’s all ogre now” said ShinyKevin as he flew out of the window.
is this..a laptop or computer..
Computer/Desktop. My HP Inspiron One. It’s touch screen so if my keyboard blows up I can just touch the monitor lol
With pee fingers?
They still smell like ginger Ale XD
Or maybe it’s because the ginger ale was mixed in the urine.
I can imagine Heavy with a Draw full of new keyboards.
‘Ooops, there goes another one’
LMAO OMG I’m not thatdisgusting!!!! I’ve had this same keyboard for a few days now…
JK LOL (few years)
Pokemon OR/AS is going to need a Casual & Classic mode. (or an Easy, Normal, and Hard mode.) Similar to Fire Emblem.
Casual: Pokemon Lv. are lowered by 1-2 levels. EXP. Share works the same way in X/Y. Easier to catch Pokemon.
Classic: Pokemon Lv. are the same as R/S. EXP. Share works the way it did in older Pokemon games. Pokemon catch rates are the same. Gym Leaders have 1 extra Pokemon.
How about Pokemon same level as Emerald
*Throws you in a box and send you to Japan*
Is that legal?
Public Service Announcement: If anyone goes to Heavy’s house, do NOT drink any liquid from a cup or bottle, even if sealed. For your safety, please bring your own beverages. If you get cold, DO NOT under any circumstance ask to borrow socks to keep you warm. Message brought to you by Detective Chico International.
Also DO NOT type anything on keyboard, just Tell Heavy what to type
*blood curdling in throat laughing*
Don’t need to warn me. I’m not drinking any “lemonade” they offer.
OMG IM CRYING
Would you advise wearing a protective suit while visiting?
Does he excrete in socks?
No, read the comment chain a bit lower. xD
Yeh…he ‘excretes’ certain bodily fluids 😉
I’m assuming he does “something” in socks.
He has watermelon in his socks.
Um. Don’t we all?
No, what the f*ck do you guys do with your time? xD
We use tissues. And I’m here 99% of the time .__.
Oh. well you must be the only one who doesn’t do that 😮 weirdo.
LMFAO NOIVERN I LOVE YOU!!! YESS TELL THEM ITS A GUY THING!!!!!
lolno
Who’s the lucky mod who gets to read all this?
most likely NLol
NL is reading it on chat
TELL HIM DONT BAN ME!!! IM SORRY LOOLLL
SAME I’M FOR THE MOST PART A GOOD CHILD
Another food product. NoLettuceQuesdilla
*Dances* We’re officially the SockCrew XD
IM WEEEEPING
I’ll call the quarantine guys…
ROTLMFAOOOO TEARS ARE STREAMING DOWN MY FACE!! WHAT HAVE I GOT MYSELF INTO =(
I will forever remember you as “The Guy Who Spilled the Pee Bottle”
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I want to be able to do this in Pokemon with Random wild pokemon o3o
Heavy,
Why does one have a pee bottle in the first place,
Were you too lazy to get up?
This is how he’s so successful at shiny breeding.
I don’t want to know the mechanics of this pee bottle.
It’s a bottle. And he pees in it. While sitting at the computer. In which we converses with us.
If you think about it, it’s um, mas********* in a way…
EW STOP HEAVY ILL KILL YOU
There’s laziness….and then there’s Heavy..
have you ever had a raid fighting the Lich King on Heroic but you had interruption duties and could not leave the keyboard
Adventure Time?
Wait. That’s the Lich.
I don’t know what that is.
http://www.davidluong.net/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/wotlk_arthas_pose.jpg
WoW?
Duhhhhh
LMFAO IAN!!! SEE IM GLAD IM NOT THE ONLY ONE!!
I used to do it all the time
But my parents blew a major gasket when they saw about 6 or so bottles in my closet
IM DROOLING LAUGHING!!!!!! SERIOUSLY!!!!!
I would never leave that many bottles in my room, I’ll take the bottle that I have now downstairs…
Pftt who am I kidding. I have this pepsi can reserved for later tonight if it happens
:O:O:O:O::O:O:O:O:O:O:O XDXD
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Yep. I’m too lazy to do a lot of things in my room.
Well, you should get up because I’m right behind you.
Okay About to check 2 and a half boxes of Ralts hopefully a 6 IV
Thanks you for changing the subject. I wish you luck.
I wish him lick.
Female 6IV
call her princess pee cause why not
How the heck are you all so good at finding Shinies D:
Determination and Luck
I have them but I have never found any or got one ;~;
Dedication and bottle peeing.
Its a cult
:LMMMMFAOOOO CHICO YOU AND NOIVERNHAVE ME GOING INSANE
Peeing in bottles apparently.
More cults
By spilling urine all over your keyboard.
SON y u pee everywhere?
Sorry mom 😮
xD
Shiny
Omega
Noivern
You have the best name ever
I am MIGE! 😀
Hey guys, I’m back! What is going on with the watermelon in socks and peeing in a bottle? :O
You’re too young to know the details….do not scroll down
And the Earthen is wrong train
COVER YOUR EYES
JOIN THE SHINY HUNTING CULT
All in a day’s work.
@chicolombia:disqus
https://janeallenquevedo.files.wordpress.com/2013/07/watermelon-socks-1.jpg
OMG I’M DONE. I CAN’T TAKE THIS ANYMORE. OMGGG
SAME. NOIVERN HAS TO GO ARGH
Rued D:
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(She’s pointing at your comment)
bleeding tears
Don’t spill them on your keyboard.
LMAO. omg I’m never going to be left along about this =(
Alone*
sticky keyboar
Surfboard
I just got back and I see this.
On a scale from 1 to even, I can’t.
Those socks.. They used to be white.
Damn eugenic.
LMFAOOOOO GOODBYE NOIV I CANT TAKE THESE TEARS ANYMORE
I’m curious though… what does watermelon in sock mean? I searched it up and it says, “a plant cultivated in Africa.”
It means just that, watermelon in sock, nothing else xD
Oh okay.
If you keep watermelon in a sock and keep it in the refrigerator, it preserves the natural flavors and texture.
It’s a newly established philosophical concept that watermelons are the greatest source of mental growth and relaxation. The sock part was meant for another document.
And Peeing
It was supposed to be peeing in socks, but that didn’t work out too well.
I can only say this. Thankfully your bowel movement is not as quick as your urine production…
Thank Arceus for that. Although I ate 6 slices of pizza last night, woke up to my bowel talking to me.
I hope your keyboard was safe.
LMFAO ya’ll wont ever let me live that one down will ya =/
Now if I ever hatch this shiny tyrogue I will be greeted with “how many bottles of pee did you go through to hatch that” LOL
XDD Most likely
Pretty much 😀
My brain’s lust for knowledge has condemned me into the Abyss…
I think today showed how much of sausage fest this place can be lmfao
XD
Sausage…feast?
Sausage feast. O_O
LMAO
Feast? No thank you. Not about that life.
I don’t always typo, but when I do, it’s at the worst possible time.
So… who here likes Pokemon?
I love Pokemon, and Hoenn
I only know Pikachu.
All about Digimon bruh. DijiJungle4lyfe.
Nobody? Quit talking about Pokemon. You’re off topic. This is MelonJungle.
Me! I love it when Pikachu goes on a quest to collect 7 dragon balls in order to save the Digital World.
IM LAUGHING HARDER THAN I SHOULD!!!
STUPIDOOOOO
IM DROOLING
On your keyboard?
I’ll stop.
Then goes in the 2nd movie they go to the Pride Lands :O
i love my Pokemon dearly
Depends.
Do they pee in bottles?
I love the Watermelon Pokemon
Only Gen 1 was good
I do. My favorite is Mega Blaziken. I hope they put it in ORAS or I’ll be disappointed.
Me too
Mega Blaziken confirmed to not be in ORAS
Whats pokemon :O It’s a new digimon game???
So… Beyonce- I mean, Pokemon is amazing! I can’t wait for ORAS!
Think you meant Beyoncé.
Beyoncee you mean
So I was playing Neopets earlier and I finally beat that stupid dinosaur game. Friends of the NeoJungle, I hope you understand how important this is. 😀
I thought we were ClubPenguinJungle?
Meet me at my house for a party
I used to love that game 🙁
It got boring when I lost membership.
Only on Saturdays.
Ah
I thought it was MusicJungle?
Is TheShinySceptile here?
Sorry, ShinyMegaSceptile* ?
I think they should have a Jack of all trades Pokemon.. wait, that’s Arceus.
Mew and Ditto
Could be Mew if they give it Protean
with access to all TM’s, it can literally become any of the 18 types with a hold item of choice. Unlike Arceus who needs to hold an item to become its desired type.
Why does it say Outstanding it only give me 3 or 4 IVS?
Logic
The other IV’s he didn’t name are most likely 28-30
I may be wrong though.
I once had outstanding and only 1 IV perfect…I face palmed. .