Wow. . .it’s been quite a while, folks! I’ve been keeping up with the site, but I haven’t posted anything in some time. I’ve been posting more on Retry Level, so you can always look for me there. It’s been a tough balance between the two sites!
I’ve been wanting to do a new Starters Untamed for some time now. Pokémon X and Y released some of the most interesting changes to Pokémon games that we’ve seen in a very long time, so I’ve been eager to write about my thoughts and experience in the competitive play realm as they have changed drastically. With the introduction of the new fairy typing, negated resistances of the powerful steel typing, and mega evolutions have brought in so many new strategies into the mix that at first it was quite overwhelming. Because of the huge influx of new concepts brought to competitive play, there are still pieces that have yet to be fully analyzed and tested out. The analysis of this generation of starters will be purely opinionated and, as always, up for (constructive) debate.
This generation’s starters are probably the most interesting that we’ve ever seen. Each contain their complementing dual type that helps counter their opposing foe. Not only that, each starter has their own hidden ability and attacks unique to their own species (aside from Klefki). First up we have Chesnaught, the spiny armor Pokémon. This is the first time we’ve had a non-reptilian grass starter, which has received some mixed feedback (especially from its’ deceptive transition to an awkward looking final evolution). This beefy, intimidating rodent (?) is dawned with the grass/fighting typing, an interesting match up only seen in Breloom and Virizion. It’s stats cater primarily towards a physically strong Pokémon that excels in tanking and physical offense. It’s HP/ATK/DEF clock in at 88/107/122 respectively, which is nothing to take lightly. However, the remaining SpATK, SpDef, and SPD stats are relatively low, only reaching 74/75/64, which leaves Chesnaught vulnerable to the numerous special sweepers that plague competitively play. Its typing, however, acts as a double edged sword. It has plenty of resistances and types that its strong against, but it also comes with six common weaknesses, which include the new fairy typing.
What I love most about Chesnaught is its movepool. It comes with all of the best physical grass type moves like Seed Bomb and Wood Hammer, and it can also learn plenty of useful TMs like Dragon Claw, Stone Edge, Swords Dance, and Earthquake. Perhaps the most interesting thing about Chesnaught is its access to its signature move, Spiky Shield. This moves acts exactly like protect, but damages the opponent if physical contact is made. If playing a more defensive Chesnaught, this combined with Leech Seed can really throw off your opponent by maintaining health and consistent chip damage.
Overall, Chesnaught is a decent addition to the grass type starters and works well up there with the likes of Torterra as far as being a physical tank. Its typing doesn’t really do it any favors, but access to Spiky Shield and other great attacks make it a worthy addition to any team.
Next up we have Delphox, the magical fox Pokémon. Fennekin was easily the fan favorite when the starters were released. We awaited eagerly to see what its final evolution would look like, and Delphox came to us as quite a surprise. Its probably one of the most human-like Pokémon that we’ve seen, and the addition to its magical wand gives it loads of character (not to mention its cry is absolutely horrific). Unfortunately, what Delphox has in aesthetics, it lacks in its abilities as a solid Pokémon. It has the stats of a decent special sweeper, clocking in at 114/100/104 SpAtk, SpDef, and SPD respectively. Its defensive stats aren’t doing it any favors, which make Delphox quite frail if up against a strong, quick opponent. Its typing, fire/psychic, is not the greatest as it leaves it open to the common ghost and dark types, which often out-speed it. Its movepool is a bit of a mixed bag and seems to have lost its identity somewhere in its creation. Should Delphox play its role as a special sweeper? Is it more of a support attacker? It doesn’t have the speed to function well in the sweeping department, and its not defensive enough to remain a support teammate.
I’d have to say that Delphox is sadly the worst of the three starters. It doesn’t excel in any one role in competitive play, which leaves it open to plenty of counters and switch ins. It’s unfortunate as it’s such a cool Pokémon with great concepts and a great design, but it falls short in being anything offensive or anything supportive. There are simply more Pokémon out there to fill this role that can do the job much better than Delphox.
This leaves us with Greninja, the ninja Pokémon. Greninja was probably the biggest surprise for all of us; not many of us were expecting a ninja with its tongue used as a scarf. Greninja not only excels in the coolness factor, but its also a fantastic Pokémon to use. The best of the three starters, really. These are the stats that Delphox should have had; 103/122 in SpAtk and SPD, which allow Greninja to outspeed most of the standard metagame. Its attack also clocks in at 95, which make it a formidable candidate as a physical sweeper, too. Its typing, water and dark, provide far more benefits than counters, however it does leave it open to the new fairy type that plagues the battlefield. Better yet, its movepool is everything we could have hoped and dreamed for in a sweeper. Access to moves like Dark Pulse, Ice Beam, Surf, Grass Knot, U-Turn, Toxic Spikes, and Acrobatics make it difficult to see what Greninja is going to throw out at you.
What makes Greninja so amazing is not just its diverse movepool and useful typing. Its ability, Protean, is arguably one of the most useful Pokémon abilities out there. Protean changes Greninjas type to whatever move it uses. For example, using Ice Beam will change you to a pure ice type. Next, use Grass Knot to change yourself into a pure grass type. This makes Greninja essentially impossible to counter, and it also makes every single move a stab move. This ability alone makes Greninja one of the most versatile Pokémon you can use in a competitive team.
However, Greninja is far from being in the uber tiers. Thankfully, GameFreak balanced out its stats by making it extremely frail, with its HP, Def, and SpDef clocking in at a mere 72/67/71. Also, Greninja isn’t exactly the most powerful attacker out there. It can be a bit difficult for it to 1HKO opponents that are specially defensive or physically defensive, leaving Greninja open to counter measures. Tanks like Blissey and Ferrothorn can take whatever Greninja throws at them (save for attacks not specialized in their defensive stat).
What do you guys think of this generations starters? Do you have a particular favorite? Agree or disagree with my analysis? I’m curious to see how the future generations of starters will compare to this generation. We saw a ton of changes in Pokémon X and Y, most of them necessary to keep the series alive. Hopefully we’ll continue to see more positive changes in the future!

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I want Yanmega to return! :C
Same here. She’s (Jessie’s Yanmega is female) my favorite pokémon that Team Rocket has ever owned!
I remember that episode
Boom *Picture(?)*
Pokemon: Xenos War
No one seems to be here
Fear not, for I am!
Yaaaay 😀
Jessie’s Yanmega may not return anytime soon, but at least the Flaming Thief in the Diancie Movie will have one.
Where’s my mega milotic???
I am now watching Curious George 😀
Is there a mosquito pokemon?
I wish.
You wish what one? XD
I wish we had a Mosquito Pokémon. However, I also wish we could have a Bug/Dark Chaos Kin (from Kid Icarus: Uprising) Pokémon. It can have Poison Touch.
😮 Sounds cool
I made one named
Pestuzz
Bug/Dark
then
Vamphlyer
Bug/Dark
I wish I could name my fakemon xD
Sounds neat 😀
If Gamefreak ever makes one (They will xD) I want it to be Bug/Fairy
I need fakemon Ideas ;A;
Psychic/Electric Dolphin.
That sounds scary just like Dark/Steel Bunnies
Naw has to be Water/Psychic
I see a Grey Blue Dolphin with a large Pink Pearl embedded in its forehead
and it has a streamline body and antennae like ribbons tasseled to its flippers and at each end is a little glowing bulb and a wispy dorsal fin with the same ribbon bulb
It has pinkish purplish streaks on its body all connecting to the pearl in its forehead
Enigmaphin
Water/Psychic
I still like the name Epiphin for the second line of evolution. It would fit well for a Water starter.
Actually a Dolphin was the starter for my Region Eyanu
Dottle
Inteliphin
Mythoness
Do you have a dA? XD
I do but i don’t upload stuff
Aww ;o;
Yeah i don’t want people to steal my creations
I haven’t seen any stolen are for a while and why not water mark it?
What ’bout a pink amazon dolphin?
I like ShinyXatu’s Psychic/Electric Dolphin idea! It doesn’t have to be Water. Look at Malamar. An squid thats not water typed (dark/psychic). And look @ drapion, a bug that’s not a bug (it’s poison/dark).
Don’t forget the crocodile and hippo that aren’t water type.
AHHH indeed!!!!! I’m sure there are more as well!
Charazard the dragon that is not a dragon 05e
LOL not anymore! Gyarados is the dragon that is not a dragon XD
Genius! Someone design this!!!!
Fairy/Dark Spellcaster.
*Heavy inhale* :O My mind is shamed
Make a Ice Cream Pokemon
Such originality!
I know, right? Best idea ever!
Trollfreak can learn from you
Grass/poison alcoholic linen
Wat
It’s actually throwback to when 14 new Japanese Pokemon names revealed and I made a fun translation to them stating “Mafokushii is an alchololic linen.” When I googled that phrase I saw that lots of pokemon fansites are discussing my so called translation even though I mentioned they are tongue-in-cheek.
A quesadilla that surprisingly has no lettuce in it
i will be in showdown if someone wants to battle:3
Want to do a random match?
sure, my username is thegreatcarbinkle i will be in the lobby
Challenged you!
Just realizing that Hoenn has so many incomplete Pokemon. I wouldn’t be surprised if every thing got a mega lol.
I just realized something about spoink. It’s a play on the saying, “don’t cast your pearls before swine.”
XD
lol Never knew this.
I’ve always knew that phrase
Say what you want, but I still think Storm Drain or Water Absorb would be very fitting for Mega Camerupt (as opposed to Sap Sipper Swampert which doesn’t make any sense).
Rainstorms fave been linked to increased volcanic activity and triggering Potent eruptions. & Camel’s like to gather near rivers after rain. Storm Drain Ability could work well, immune to Water attacks & get the sp atk boost. Storm Drain Camerupt would also be fitting that Kyogre causes a storm and Team Magma wants to drain it.
Also, Water Absorb could work because the camel Camerupt is based on can store water for loooong periods of time.
Flash Fire would suck as an ability. And here’s a bit of food for thought on why it probably won’t get Solid Rock: Camerupt is the only Pokémon whose Abilities all differ from those of its pre-evolution. – bulbapedia
Neither of those abilities will make Mega Camerupt broken or Uber, just Viable and possibly OU.
Actually its a myth about Camels storing water in their humps
They don’t do that
They store it in their fat and it metabolizes and allows them to endure longs periods of harsh weather
but I never said anything about storing in humps lol.
But u said Storing water
but its still a myth
they build up fat and they burn that to stay alive
Thank you
A lot of people tried to say those abilities are stupid because it doesn’t make sense when it actually oes, not like Sap Sipper Swampert
*Hugs my contest partner*
Because Swift Swim make a lot of sense…
More sense than Sap Sipper
It does actually. You see the muscles on that thing lol?
I like the idea of Storm Drain and Team Magma wanting to drain water. This makes the most sense imo. You’re still yet to be wrong xD
THIS!!!!!!!
Awe you made me smile Sceptile ^_^
As do I. Also, I’m sick and tired of Team Magma being the underdogs just because they’re pokémon are weak to water.
Me too, and with Storm Drain/Water Absorb it’ll be better.
Technically speaking, it doesn’t need to have any hidden facts about it. Any pokémon can have just about any ability with Skill Swap, and no one questions how it makes sense.
LOL good pointwith the skill swap, but abilities actually do make sense. All abilities are flavorful.
Sap Sipper doesn’t necessarily have to make sense. It was just mentioned so that MSwampert won’t have a weakness.
One of the major flaws of the PSS, you can block people. This guy WILL NOT stop spamming me trades and battles, which is making me not want to be online anymore at the moment ._. it’s literally a constant thing since I’ve woke up. He’s not even on my friends list, he’s an acquittance.
will deleting him off the list also delete me off his list?
Yes, delete him turn disconnect then reconnect
You can remove him off acquantainces while youre in PSS and it’ll send him to passerby, passerby will reload and send him away LOL
click on his icon in your acquaintances and click the grey circle on the bottom left hand corner, it will ask you do you want to delete him from aquaianances (sorry for my spelling I’m not retyping that I’m hot & lazy) and it will send him to passerbys
That awkward moment when you realize that you could be a jerk and Skill Swap Xerneas’ and Yveltal’s abilities.
XD
I want to use Kecleon/Skill Swap and make Slaking have Protean ^_^
o_o Not sure if genius, or pure evil.
A little of both. I stole the idea from a friend on twitter LOL
That was an awesome battle dude! 😀
@thegreatcarbinkle:disqus
yes! we have to repeat it another day
Heck yea!
Wow, got a Shiny Venusaur for a regular Goomy. No complaints.
Ooo nice! Congrats!! I’m using one my current team actually and it slays.
I did have Ring Target attached to it, thinking it could put a grass Poke to sleep but it failed. I have to figure out Ring Target lol
Thanks! And using Ring Target is still something I’ve yet to try. I’m not good with those kind of strategies lol
its basically putting a bull’s eye on your Pokemon
Have you ever used it successfully? I can’t figure it out? It says moves that would normally have no effect on a Pokemon will work, so shouldn’t sleep powder work on a grass poke? I hope they enhance it in gen 7
No its more of a gimmick item
Basically the Pokemon who holds it are vulnerable to moves that would have no effect on them normally
AHHHHHHHHHHHH now I get it! So sleep powder would work on venasaur instead of the opposite lol. Wow how lame. *discards item*
You could use an item switching move. It’s still very limited to a situation, but RIng Target on a Gengar? It’ll be easier to take out with Normal Types.
since more people is on now, I have one more 5 perfect IVs chansey with natural cure, seismic toss, and aromatherapy o: who wants her?
I do
ok! do i have you added?
Yea I’m huntark
……………OMG YOU EVOLVED
😉 you didn’t know that?
nuh uh D: i almost thought you were a new person LOL *slow*
And I changed back 😀
Inherit my legacy
argh they beat me to it =(
let me know if you get any more
I have extra 5iv grimers/swablu’s/tyrogue’s laying around
sorry QQ!
Thanks Ziia that Ralts should have decent IVs
PEEPY!
no prob!
So let me just say how much I love Charizard Y lol. I wouldn’t mind if it gets shoved in our faces as much as Charizard X. This thing won me my last few battles…
I don’t like Charizard anymore
LMFAO!!! Awe !! That’s understandable ^_^
I’ve been testing out OU pokes that I never used before. Like I just used talonflame for the first time a day or 2 ago, Rio said mine was unique ^_^
Rio’s words are dear to me, he’s the king of battling lol IMO
i know right :3 charizard Y FTW
I want Charizard Y ;~;
Charizard Y is amazingly better than Charizard X. God I love Drought + Solarbeam!
I don’t like to pit the two against each other because I swept with Charizard X countless times before, but I gotta say, Tail Glow Charizard Y is just the most devastating thing ever lol
Dragonpulsed a Multi Scale Dragonite to oblivion without any stab XD
Although that +3 sp atk was to blame.
Tail glow mega sceptile let that sink in
DUDE….
DUDEEEEEEE
FUCKING DUDEEEEEE
I HAD THAT PLANNED FOR SO LONG AND BEEN TRYING TO KEEP IT A SECRET ROTLMFAO
Not that big of a secreat ……….
Plus someone else here mentioned it before too
=(
it’ll be forgotten by time ORAS rolls around. Then i’ll secretly plot my slayage again … heeheehee… fuuuufuufu
I don’t forget things and it’s already written done for me
Huehuehuehue
LMMFAOOOOO!!!! DYING LAUGHING!! SLIPERRYYYY!!!
It’s hard to take out! It’s special attack is really high >.<
You can only survive if you have a Sash or Sturdy and a rock move so basically you gotta basically give up a Poke to kill it
Solarbeam destroys Rock types, Air Slash can easily KO Fighting types with Rock moves. Defeating it takes more than just brute force. It requires strategy.
LOL XD
My last battle I baton passed Tail Glow into Charizard and I didn’t even get a chance to select my next attack. My friend quit/ran from the battle… He knew the deal. ^_^
The Water type E4 guy got swept by Charizard Y. He clearly doesn’t know the deal, or it shows how easy this game is. lmao
I want Charizardite Y to have never existed
LMFAOOOOOOO
It is effing cheap
massive special Attack and Speed and DROUGHT giving it move fire power, water type hindrance and instant solarbeams
Its basically impossible to counter unless you’re wearing a sash and have a rock move
LMFAO GOD you just made me love it more. Now I might have to find a battle soon but I don’t want to put off my tyrogue egg collecting LOL
its speed isnt as good as it could be. 170+ wouldve been better but garchomp is a major counter if its stone edge or rock slide hits. aerodactyl destroys it. physical greninja destroys it. gyarados can destroy it too. theres plenty to counter it with.
Jolteon can easily take it out, as well. And, again, Stealth Rocks makes Charizard its bitch.
oh definitely jolteon. or anyone fast with an electric move. and scarfers with electric or rock moves. instant death. gardevoir too because she’s specially bulky.
now to help with the stealth rock issue, make sure not to give it +4 evs in hp or else it’ll be yellow. if you roost after that, you might be good to go if you do it safely. but stealth rocks is always annoying xD for him and talonflame
No, it isn’t just cheap. Stealth Rocks, and it is still weak to Electric types, which are typically faster. Stop using Brute Force, think of ways to take it out.
I carry Magic Bounce & Encore to deal with those stealth rockers lol
u lil shit Aerodactyl 😉
Stealth Rock barely occurs since everyone leads with it
If everyone leads with it, use a Mega Aerodactly. Use something that’s faster than Charizard Y. It doesn’t get faster.
And then whats stopping the guy from switching out huh
thats when you predict the switch [cause charizard cant do anything to aeodactyl unless it has hp ice] and use another move! though, rock slide is stab so it’ll serverely hurt anyone who comes out.
=U= for reassoonnnssss
I just stated my claim
The facts are all there
jolly garchomp can OHKO mcy with rockslide…
i prefer y cause is more easy to OHKO lol
Wanna battle? I’ll be in chat if you do!
showdown or xy?
XY
So anyone want to swap Charizardites? (If you can XD)
You can buy the one you didn’t get at the stone emporieum
No
Only the other two
If he chosen Charizard he can only get mega venusaur and mega blastoise
Charizardite Y (For me)? Opposite Versions
I have X 😛
I guess no one likes PKMN X xD
Don’t be so hard on Charizard Y Ian. 5 generations of sucking, and only being good in the Anime, I think Charizard deserves to shine.
Not like this
If they take away drought then it’ll be fine
After 2 generation because stealth rocks wrecked
You know Arthur on PBS has good music XD
My Sceptile has no problemo with Charizard Y
0_0
😉
Rock Slide ? ^_^
Naive nature too 😉
You a bad bish!!
Really? Drought + Fire-Type Attack = Instant Death.
Nope
Rock Gem boosted Rock Slide. XD
Maybe if you’re running a physical set xD
It’s Faster, and it has Rock Slide 😉
Ah! No wonder!
Indeed. If it gets an attack boost, Rock Slide that ho.
Atk Life Orb Sceptile Rock Slide vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Mega Charizard Y: 172-203 (111.6 – 131.8%) — guaranteed OHKO
Censoring how much Attack it needs xD
XD Exactly
I know how much 😉
Ur full of crap since when do you stick it out and fight a weakness
When you have Rock Slide. XD
Rock Slide and I believe Sceptile outspeeds.
It does
When I can counter it like an intelligent battler
Its called having a move for your weakness like Rock Slide
Shut your mouth Earthen. He beat you fair and square. You are the one who’s stupid enough to be out predicted. He’s strategc, you are just Brute Force, which is easily countered. Stop being such a poor sport and big baby about losing to him.
my galvantula laugh at sceptile
My answer to Zard Y
252 Atk Life Orb Iron Fist Infernape Thunder Punch vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Mega Charizard Y: 268-317 (89.9 – 106.3%) — 37.5% chance to OHKO
Not 100% but has never failed so far…
Thanks everyone for sharing your Charizard Y counters. Now I can figure out the perfect counters for YOUR counters ^_^
What have we done…
LMFAO !!!!
Lets Kidnap heavy 😀
And keep all the shinies! 😀
HURRAY!
that what u think
Why does this make me furious
*CHOKING CRYING LAUGHING*
Hah, because you’d totally beat him in the first place anyway.
Nobody asked you
And i ain’t too happy what you said
Yes, because constantly calling out TC for being a coward is okay.
He just said You would beat him
That was a complement
Jeez calm down
Always adapt to the changing environment…
We will find new counters, and kick yer azz hole 😉
At least I don’t need to take 1000 years thinking of what ORAS starter I want for 3 reasons…
I have all three in X
Mudkip
Mudkip
And you guise
Choose Bayleef! 😀
It needs moar love c:
xD I think I might have a Chikorita but I know I have a shiny one but I dun know what game it is on