RUMOR: Pokémon Sun & Moon’s HUGE SECRET Revealed?

Spoiler & rumor alert: The contents of this article are speculative in nature (based on evidence from demo contents & official documents) and may also spoil surprises in the game. You have been warned.

ash-sun-moonDots are being connected in what could be the biggest Pokémon crossover between the anime and games that the franchise has ever seen. Pokémon Sun & Moon could be the first titles in which Ash, the star of the Pokémon anime, makes an appearance.

Although his in-game counterpart, Red, has a storied history since debuting as the protagonist of the first Pokémon games, Ash has never actually appeared in any games of the main series. Ash-Greninja being available hinted at his existence in the game canon and the demo also made passing reference to him, but it was not widely speculated that he would actually be an opponent in the games, until now.

satoshi-trademarkRecently a trademark filing by Nintendo & Game Freak for ‘Satoshi’ (Ash’s Japanese name) was discovered. This is interesting because it is obviously game-related, not simply a filing for the anime. Although Ash-Greninja will be available to players in Pokémon Sun & Moon after transferring it from the demo, there wouldn’t be much more reason that they’d need to trademark Ash’s name: after all, the anime season featuring his Greninja just wrapped up. The filing also makes no mention of a Pokémon in correlation to him either.

ashs-pikachuIn addition, his Pikachu has already been confirmed by game data mined in the demo! Whether this is an event for players (probably) in addition to a Pokémon he may use on his team is still unclear. It does however point to one thing: Ash is definitely tied into Sun & Moon heavily.

This all comes together with the recent unveiling of the Battle Tree, a location in Alola that allows players to battle with and against some of the most famous trainers in Pokémon history! Sounds like a great place for Ash to make his game debut…

I’ll finish up by reminding everyone with exactly the same warning I gave going in: this is not confirmed. It is, however, definitely something that is being strongly hinted at!

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2,212 thoughts on “RUMOR: Pokémon Sun & Moon’s HUGE SECRET Revealed?”

  1. I would normally say this will never happend but judging by what we saw It seems that they where drunk throughout the whole process so anything can happen.

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  2. What if the sun and moon post game has you start again as a different character, you pick a new lvl 5 starter and this time take the Pokemon League challenge like the previous games. The champion will obviously be the original character, with the same team that you finish as.

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        • No thanks, it’d be a major pain to beat the game just to restart rather than get straight to the competitive stuff, the Battle Tree, post game areas

          Also I’d be annoyed if you couldn’t switch between the two considering it means there’s at least one character I put effort into that I get locked out of

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          • That’s a fair point. I just think it would be interesting as a Post-game scenario. Maybe if they allowed you to switch between the 2 it would be better.
            It’s also possible that the pokemon league just gets built in these games and the next games act can as sequels (like b2w2).

            Honestly at the moment there is very little for me to be interested about in these games, other than using the new Pokemon competitively.

          • Tbh I really want a sequel again

            BW2 were really good and now since we have Z-Moves and Mega Evolution they could add plenty to sequels as well as new areas.

            It’d be interesting if this game it’d be

            Island Trials – > Gym – > League
            Or
            Island Trials – >League

            And then the sequels would be

            Gym – > League – > Island Trials

            As well as starting from a different island, maybe as an Alola native?

          • Does the League not also encompass the Gyms within its system? You’re implying they’re separate, but I was under the impression that a League is 8 Gyms + Elite 4 + Champion.

          • League could easily be referring to the physical Pokémon League, the area in each Region where the E4 and Champion work

          • The thing is though is that variations of the phrase ‘collect eight badges then challenge the Pokémon League’ makes it out as if Gyms aren’t part of the league, but are part of the same system as them

          • True. But in the anime ‘Challenge the Pokemon league’ means beating the gyms and entering the league tournament. The E4 and Champion are referred to as the Champions League

      • see this is what i don’t get, “gay because its acceptable” seems a lot more insulting than “gay because that’s how this character is, and there’s nothing wrong with it”. we saw no connection between these 2 on a romantic level in any form of media.

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        • I’m not saying they’re definitely gay. I’d like it if they are, but I admit I have no prior evidence to go on. But you have to consider where I and other shippers are coming from. There’s no representation in the games, so of course I’ll jump on the first hint of a possible gay couple, even if that hint is slight. And as for your romantic connection argument, they were 10 last we saw them.

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          • its not just the original games though, in pokemon origins, (freaking disqus) they seemed to have no connection, pokemon gold/silver, no connection, the brief view of them we got in pokemon generations, no connection.

          • It’s been so long since I’ve seen that that I don’t remember it well enough to argue effectively, but wasn’t Origins essentially an animated version of the games’ plot?

          • that it was, except red actually had a personality, and spoke, and was a character rather than the player’s blank avatar. i’m not sure about the manga, as I’ve only red the summarized plot of red’s journey, which also showed no connection.

          • Fair enough. Like I said though, I’m not going off of any evidence, but them being together would fill all my shipping dreams. Don’t get me wrong though, I’d still be totally cool with them being separate rivals.

          • and its fine, if it happens, i just hope that if it does, they make it matter and meaningful for the character growth rather than satisfying a social concept because its politically correct (god i hate that term lol)

          • I don’t understanding how having them in a relationship would help their character development in any way what so ever. Useless romance plot lines should stay as far away from Pokemon as possible.

          • It wouldn’t do much admittedly, but Pokemon is all about coming together, and I could see them building off the “used to be rivals, now we’re lovers” cliche. Now that I think about it though, maybe Red and Blue aren’t the best candidates to put my hopes on. :p

          • any representation at all would be great but I personally am not holding my breath, after all we didn’t really start getting black characters in game until like black and white, and lets all remember this is the company that made tomodatchi life and thats incredibly heterosexual itself.

        • i should probably make it clear that i have nothing against gay people, that’s fine, it doesn’t bother me, you do you. what I’m saying is that, i, personally, would find it insulting that they just threw that character trait on a character because its socially acceptable to do so, rather than having it be meaningful. if i offended anyone, please accept my apology, i didn’t mean to offend you.

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        • to be fair though in real life most gay people are not known to be gay until they tell someone so literally any character can be gay if they come out, even if that character has prior relations with the opposite sex they can still be gay, its not like that doesn’t happen all the time in real life. Heck even I have had girlfriends

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    • Sorry to disappoint, but we clearly see that neither is wearing a ring in their ingame models, and given they are capable of small details like that with Kukui, it seem’s safe to say that this ship has long since sunk.

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      • Regardless of your feel on the ship, stating they can’t be shipped because they’re not married or engaged isn’t exactly that solid

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        • No, I simply meant that the evidence presented was proven false. Personally I don’t care about peoples ship’s, so long as they don’t go to some questionable territories. Really while I would say its unlikely that these two would ever be a couple, I would never complain.

          I would however bring up though that no matter what Pokemon is still a game aimed at children, and given its coming from Japan which still is sorting out its feelings of the LGBT community, I really don’t see them making something this big cannon. I mean it was just last year that Nintendo gave us their first sexuality insert(the idea tat the characters preferences are solely based on the players interpretation, and while their might be something eventually considered canonical, it doesn’t really matter) and even then came under massive fire due to the lady lover option being a creepy girl interested in the occult, and the man lover option being a sadist. While in the end both were no where near as bad as they were made out to be, and handled much better in the western localization’s, it still struck a pretty big cord with people that they have some growing to do.

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          • Dude this was way to serious for a ship, shipping is all just dumb fun

            And all I’m saying is that just because people aren’t married doesn’t mean they’re not romantically involved. OP was pretty much a joke post.

          • Well I apologize. If you haven’t noticed I tend to take everything serious as it does have value and merit to discuss. I enjoy learning and seeing things from others perspective.

            And fair enough. I just simply meant that honestly I don’t see them using the poster child’s of nostalgia for a romantic same sex relationship. Though I really wouldn’t be surprised if we did find a new character being gay. Heck I wouldn’t be that surprised if it turned out to be Guzma given their track-record. But again I’m sorry if thinking about this a bit deeper came across as insulting.

          • It’s not insulting, it’s just that I was surprised :p

            I dunno, I don’t think there’s anything wrong with having a bad guy being the only obviously gay character as long as he’s a bad guy who is gay, not a gay bad guy (if that makes sense)

          • Agreed. and personally I’m hoping for some redemption from Guzma by games end rather then making him a straight up villain.

  3. Gentlemen this is my final warning
    Today marks the last two days of Pokemon Global Link
    As of Tuesday afternoon all your Pokemiles will be gone forevermore and never to be used again
    I please highly urge you to see if any rewards can be reaped, snatch an ability capsule or a handful of Rare Candy
    This is your last chance to get prep supplies for Sun and Moon
    So please make an effort to see if you qualify
    I did and look at this
    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/3fe704c1b6c940efe544b080a441f0ca6215ae0a02167c41ca59b024b7c98868.jpg

    http://www.pokemon-gl.com/oras/close_announcement/en/

    I’m EarthenWarrior and I’m set for life Biatch!!!

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      • no no no, don’t let people tell you that. it all comes down to EVs. if you battle and gain ev’s, you can level up however you want. heck, gen 6 allowed you to ev train lv. 100 pokemon.

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      • There’s nothing bad about them. You can level something up without grinding. As long as your pokemon is fully EV trained with the right IVs, leveling them up through battling or rare candies has no difference.

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  4. Question time bouys and gills because I’ve been cleaning and doing homework all day 😮

    Using four Pokémon, make a theme team of characters from a certain piece of media that are all linked somehow.

    Example: Team RWBY, from RWBY

    Ruby Rose

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/9c1a1b4578ec7b4030c1d0dbebb369a370cf684065615619308dc318613bc933.jpg

    Scizor

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/39af80f569d5de5633bf3e12db4c1710644a730275fd337ee6aa67d56ca45d1b.png

    Ruby has a scythe, referencing Scyther. Scizor also has multiple priority and speed boosting moves, and Ruby has super speed.

    Weiss Schnee

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/415e58354e5576bd483883057f77525aa6b0e3c9b20ee8898bd35e3ad544e33c.png

    Froslass

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/869f3be98bcc10bca612985bbfdd6a152fae20212e0cc3b7637854ca2f377b99.jpg

    Weiss’ full name is LITERALLY German (incorrect as a full phrase, but individually the words mean) for ‘White Snow’. She’s also referred to as an ‘Ice Queen’ and is elegant, like Froslass

    Blake Belladonna

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/b46acf47598a83f41729ed0d600919397f7096ca01b0656e78ff70017a9dceb5.jpg

    Incineroar

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/543c00d3acfef616e55746127be5a8af9ac02b0e7b1ed27520d9deee03c4d500.png

    Blake is black cat themed, and spoilers is half-cat herself, as a cat Faunus. And surprisingly, Incineroar is like the only true black cat Pokémon. Furthermore, Litten is calm and reserved, but evolves into something passionate, similar to Blake (but Blake remains reserved with a passionate interior, not starting off as reserved and then becoming an angry cat heel). Furthermore, with Blake, they’d make a ‘Beauty and a Beast’ duo, which makes sense as Blake is based off of Belle from Beauty and the Beast.

    Yang Xiao Long

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/e6cd3257d62e1c653a9616c729fa865087511cd2898e5f5f485fed5fc3ff98e3.png

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/627e9835dacddc88b19e6699d340d768a3f22d107fb0e78278bf8a3960e7b96a.png

    Yang’s name is pretty much ‘little sun dragon’ in Chinese, and Kommo-o is a Pokémon introduced in Sun and Moon but that’s irrelevant for now. The long yellow scales kinda resemble her hair, Kommo-o’s forearms resemble her weapon, and both are dedicated brawlers.

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  5. What is your favouriote Pokemon of each type: (If it’s dual type you can’t use it twice, instead use your second favourite of one of those types, for example, If Lapras is your favourite Water AND Ice, use it for one, then choose your second favourite of the other)?
    Mine:
    Grass:Ludicolo
    Water:Lapras
    Fire: Talonflame
    Normal: Pyroar (Male)
    Fighting: Toxicroak
    Ghost: Trevenant
    Bug: Galvantula
    Poison: Crobat
    Psychic: Victini
    Ice: Cryogonal
    Flying: Swellow
    Ground: Rhydon
    Rock: Gigalith
    Electric: Luxray
    Dragon: Hydreigon
    Steel: Excadrill
    Dark: Krookadile
    Fairy: Togekiss

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    • Grass:Lurantis
      Water:Primarina
      Fire: Reshiram
      Normal: Lopunny
      Fighting: Mienshao
      Ghost: Mimikyu
      Bug: Vivillon
      Poison: Salandit/Roserade
      Psychic: Gothitelle/Gardevoir/Lunaala
      Ice: Frosalss
      Flying: Lugia
      Ground: Gliscore
      Rock: Diancie
      Electric: Ampharos
      Dragon: Noivern
      Steel: Klinklang
      Dark: Zoroark
      Fairy: Sylveon

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    • Grass Sceptile
      Water Greninja
      Fire Arcanine
      Normal Staraptor
      Fighting Lucario
      Ghost Gengar
      Bug Volcarona
      Poison Drapion
      Psychic Gallade
      Ice Mamoswine
      Flying Aerodactyl
      Ground Excadrill
      Rock Rhydon
      Electric Manectric
      Dragon Salamence
      Steel Scizor
      Dark Bisharp
      Fairy Gardevoir

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    • Grass: Ludicolo
      Water: Primarina
      Fire: Motisma-Oven
      Normal: Miltank
      Fighting: Emboar
      Ghost: Aegislash
      Bug: Heracross
      Poison: Crobat
      Psychic: Mushana
      Ice: Vanniluxe
      Flying: Jumpluff
      Ground: Golurk
      Rock: Sudowoodo
      Electric: Ampharos
      Dragon: Hydreigon
      Steel: Scizor
      Dark: Scrafty
      Fairy: Togekiss

      But it changes every let’s play, like Altaria is a tie for fav’ dragon type, and Florges for fav’ fairy type. And Primarina just dethroned Jellicent-F.

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    • Grass: Lilligant
      Fire: Infernape
      Water: If it counts, Brionne, if not, Quagsire.
      Normal: Audino
      Bug: Galvantula
      Flying: Sensu Oricorio
      Poison:
      Unrevealed-Salandit2, but Sea Urchin2 is a good candidate if it is Poison
      Revealed: Roserade
      Fighting: Mienshao
      Psychic: Alakazam
      Dark: Umbreon (Diving Bell Spider, then Pikipek3 if either turns out to be Dark)
      Rock: Diancie (Especially Mega)
      Ground: Nidoqueen
      Steel: Magearna
      Ghost: Froslass
      Dragon: Dragalge
      Fairy (and Favourite Overall): Primarina

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        • because there was no truly favorite then my Excadrill also i rigged for when it came to [all] Excadrill showed up but if i had to redo it maybe Krookodile

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          • Oops I meant Gen VI, hence the facetious tone due to Gen VI’s bad Ground numbers

            But Gen Vmust of been a really good Gen for you, the ground types were perf

          • it went downhill by mid gen 5
            that’s when Weather teams ruled like gods
            but that introduced my mortal enemy Keldeo and HA which though good introduced so much badness

            and now i can’t even take two steps without scald ruining my day or something like it

          • I used to run a pretty successful rain team on showdown a few years back well, successful for a 12/13 year old ^^; but looking back I don’t miss the weather wars one bit

    • Grass- Torterra
      Fire- Houndoom
      Water- Politoed
      Normal- Porygon2
      Electric- Dedenne
      Rock- Gigalith
      Flying- Togekiss
      Poison- Garbodor
      Ground- Flygon
      Psychic- Reunicleus
      Ghost- Gengar
      Bug- Venomoth
      Dragon- Goodra
      Ice- Mamoswine
      Fighting- Hitmontop
      Dark- Weavile
      Steel- Steelix
      Fairy- Sylveon

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    • Ok here we go! lol

      Normal: Furret
      Fighting: Hitmontop
      Flying: Oricorio (it’s just such a clever idea lol)
      Poison: Drapion
      Ground: Donphan
      Rock: Rampardos
      Bug: Vikavolt
      Ghost: Lunala
      Steel: Excadrill
      Fire: Alolan Marowak
      Water: Totodile (honorable shout out to Ludicolo who is duh man lol)
      Grass: Ferrothorn
      Electric: Heliolisk
      Psychic: Lugia
      Ice: Regice
      Dragon: Alolan Exeggutor
      Dark: Sneasel
      Fairy: Mimikyu

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    • No legends

      Grass: Sceptile
      Water: Greninja
      Fire: Charizard
      Normal: Snorlax
      Fighting: Blaziken
      Ghost: Gengar
      Bug: Shednja
      Poison: Nidoking
      Psychic: Alakazam
      Ice: Alolan Ninetales
      Flying: Gyarados
      Ground: Garchomp
      Rock: Tyranitar
      Electric: Manectric
      Dragon: Goodra
      Steel: Metagross
      Dark: Incineroar
      Fairy: Sylveon

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    • Grass: Serperior
      Fire: Flareon
      Water: Vaporeon
      Normal: Furret
      Flying: Lugia
      Bug: Beautifly
      Poison: Crobat
      Psychic: Victini
      Ice: Articuno
      Rock: Amaura
      Ground: Gliscor
      Electric: Emolga
      Dragon: Dragonair
      Fighting: Hawlucha
      Ghost: Decidueye
      Steel: Jirachi
      Dark: Umbreon
      Fairy: Sylveon

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  6. I see questions are a thing, so an odd one

    What’s everyone’s favourite Ultra Beast, aesthetically?

    If it’s leaked, please spoiler tag it!

    Mine is UB-02 Beauty :p

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  7. Another question since the conversation seems to be warming up: for those of you who give their Pokémon and characters backstories, do you give your starters the typical starter story or do you headcanon them otherwise?

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    • I play as though the whole pick your starter event didn’t happen. I like playing as though I received an egg from a breeder family friend who had given me the egg to take care of and through dedication and care I raised my first pokemon.

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  8. Poison Legendary

    What do you think it would be based on? Would it have an ability like Salandit’s? Or would it loosely be a poison type? Would it make Earthen proud? Would it be the ultimate fairy bane? Discuss! 😛

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  9. If Ash really did come to the game, I would be very happy, but not at all because I like Ash. I don’t watch the anime and I personally could care less whether he is in SUMO, but I’m friends with a little kid who looks up to Ash as the best pokemon trainer ever. Ash teaches kids about the value of friendship and the importance of being a good sport and being okay with losing. So for my buddy Luke to get to meet his Pokemon idol in-game would be adorable and an unforgettable experience for him. So sure, I’m okay with Ash being in my game.

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    • Is there any evidence that gyms will be in Sun and Moon at all? It just seems like a lot of post game content. (I’m not used to it from a Pokémon game except maybe SSHG and LGFR. :P)

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      • Its a hard call. We know that lot one is a big open lot since we can see it in the demo, so something likely goes there at some point. On the other hand we know that lot seven is a bunch of ruin’s since you can see it in the most recent trailer. So who knows. Honestly I wouldn’t be surprised given how much their trying to build around the game.

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      • It would be weird to have a league without gyms. Plus the chinese leaks (which have gotten NOTHING wrong yet) said “after you build a league, the E4 appears”, which implies that you there is something before the elite four.

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          • The island trial is not the same as the pokemon league in anyway, nor are they connected at all. The island trial is a rite of passage that anyone is supposed to be able to do (sry Guzma) and the pokemon league is supposed to be for the best only. Plus, you can’t enter the E4 without 8 badges for a reason (in previous games). If they let any old kid 11 year old kid who completed the island trials take on the E4, then they’d have way too many imcompetant challengers. Plus, they already have an “island challenge champion”, so they already have a endgame to the island challenge.

          • I’m pretty sure the island trials will also require skill seeing as they’ve actually got more fights to do than the Gym Challenge (7 Totems and 4 Kahunas), as well as requiring puzzle solving skills in universe.

          • Then it seems odd to have it be a rite of passage for 11 year old kids.
            Anyway, I’ve found something else: remember in the english trailer, the two construction workers who are saying “we’re going to build an awesome league here, so you’d better become an awesome trainer”? Well it appears that they are not on mount Lanakila, where the E4 and league is being held. If there isn’t gyms, and just the E4 and champion, then what could they possibly be constructing that isn’t on mount lanakila?

          • You’re missing the point.
            That was supposed to be a very rare occasion (this applies to every protag tbh). Not every 11 year old kid is expected to be able to beat the pokemon league, that is for the very best of the best. This is a rite of passage, implying that many people were able to complete it.

          • They never said it was a very rare occasion though, it’s easily possible that many kids beat all eight Gyms but just failed at the Elite 4

            And its implied that the island trials is a right of passage for trainers, seeing as the whole point is to battle and grow closer to your Pokémon. Not every kid in Alola is going to participate (for example, Lillie most likely won’t) due to how impractical it’d be and it’s never said how much people fail the rite and give up

          • The Hawaiian aka Alolan people hold tradition and nature as very important. So it’s not far fetched to assume they would keep their traditions and make their own rules of how they govern what is passable for their own league’s requirements. We’ve never seen how a league is formed so we have no clue how they are conducted. Just because all leagues thus far have had the same structure doesn’t particularly mean that Alola will follow its lead to the T.

          • That’s true. We’ll find out soon enough anyway. With all this, I’m betting (and hoping) that there will be post game gyms.

      • Also, GF said in a recent interview that they wanted to focus on longevity and post game this generation, so anything is possible.
        But yeah it’s sad that so many recent pokemon games have had virtually no post game.

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    • It makes the most sense for me to believe that gyms will arise post-game since a league will have formed. If not places for gyms, the empty lots might very well be landing pads for Charizard poke-ride feature.

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        • Idk, I feel if there’s Pokémon not in the Dex they’d be in small islands and nooks and crannies we didn’t get to explore, and just one of those would be to small alone and still wouldn’t give Komala an evo

          But if we get some evos of old Pokémon ill actually cry if one is an common prevo for Sawk and Throh, seeing as a common prevo for Miltank and Tauros looks unlikely

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          • That’d be amazing.
            I still think the alola dex is incomplete though, but there’s no way to tell for a while at this point.

    • What’s the possibility of them only having seven Gyms (or seven typed Gyms and one untyped to continue the Gen II feels Alola kinda gives off) in your opinion? I feel it’d be a good opportunity to show off every type with a specialist.

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      • It’s definitely a possibility at this point. It makes sense with the Z crystals, since there would be a notable character to give each one, rather than having some just lying around.

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        • I dunno, I feel like leaving some Z-Crystals post game would be kinda sucky, IMO I feel the best way to do it would mandatory Z-Crystal quest where you collect the 7 you don’t get from the Island Trial by revisiting old areas whilst simultaneously adding new trainers and dialogue there and keeping the story going

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  10. Also, what do you think will happen to the aether paradise after we take down the aether foundation? IMO it would be a good place for them to host the league but we’ve already seen that that’s on mount lanakila. Maybe a safari zone type thing, since it’s home to rare pokemon.

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    • I’d say just blow it up/destroy it. Like make a post game encounter involving Zygarde and an ultra Beast duke it out there, leveling the place into nothing and serving as a good battle field for a final battle.

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    • The Aether Foundation could easily remain friendly or get reformed and the Paradise can just stay the same with some post game quests and areas

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        • They have battle intros!? They must be evil! Like Hau, Kukui, Hala, Olivia, etc

          And regardless, it could easily just be a section of the Aether Foundation, or as I said, they get reformed. Lusamine has already made it clear she loves and respects Pokémon and has shown no disdain for humans as a whole, meaning her redemption will be easy

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    • I feel as though some members of the AF are truly good and that they’ll take over when the evil members are displaced.
      If not then maybe Kukui can requisition it and finally have an actual lab instead of a beach hut.

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  11. Yay!!! I’m finally getting my Gengar in Pokemon GO! Gengar is my second favorite Pokemon in Gen 1 so I’m so excited! If Pokemon GO did more events like this where certain pokemon are more common and you get more candies that would be amazing. Maybe double candy weekends? I need more excuses to get outside on the weekends

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  12. So, unorthodox question: for those of you with Pokémon playing friends and family who don’t frequent the jungle, what Pokémon are they going to start with?

    Pretty sure my youngest sister is going to start with Popplio, she’s seen Brionne and thinks it’s adorable and I feel she’ll really love Primarina

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