RUMOR: Pokémon Sun & Moon’s HUGE SECRET Revealed?

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Spoiler & rumor alert: The contents of this article are speculative in nature (based on evidence from demo contents & official documents) and may also spoil surprises in the game. You have been warned.

ash-sun-moonDots are being connected in what could be the biggest Pokémon crossover between the anime and games that the franchise has ever seen. Pokémon Sun & Moon could be the first titles in which Ash, the star of the Pokémon anime, makes an appearance.

Although his in-game counterpart, Red, has a storied history since debuting as the protagonist of the first Pokémon games, Ash has never actually appeared in any games of the main series. Ash-Greninja being available hinted at his existence in the game canon and the demo also made passing reference to him, but it was not widely speculated that he would actually be an opponent in the games, until now.

satoshi-trademarkRecently a trademark filing by Nintendo & Game Freak for ‘Satoshi’ (Ash’s Japanese name) was discovered. This is interesting because it is obviously game-related, not simply a filing for the anime. Although Ash-Greninja will be available to players in Pokémon Sun & Moon after transferring it from the demo, there wouldn’t be much more reason that they’d need to trademark Ash’s name: after all, the anime season featuring his Greninja just wrapped up. The filing also makes no mention of a Pokémon in correlation to him either.

ashs-pikachuIn addition, his Pikachu has already been confirmed by game data mined in the demo! Whether this is an event for players (probably) in addition to a Pokémon he may use on his team is still unclear. It does however point to one thing: Ash is definitely tied into Sun & Moon heavily.

This all comes together with the recent unveiling of the Battle Tree, a location in Alola that allows players to battle with and against some of the most famous trainers in Pokémon history! Sounds like a great place for Ash to make his game debut…

I’ll finish up by reminding everyone with exactly the same warning I gave going in: this is not confirmed. It is, however, definitely something that is being strongly hinted at!

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2,212 thoughts on “RUMOR: Pokémon Sun & Moon’s HUGE SECRET Revealed?”

      • I watch them just because I like listening to people talking about Pokemon news. lol I get why you don’t like watching these tho. GameXplain like to talk about obvious stuff and then make it seem like there is something else to it. Almost every sentence that concludes a section ends with them saying somethings like “We know this is a thing, but does that mean this other thing is also a thing? We’ll have to wait and see I guess.” They never really say anything all that interesting and most of the time what they do say is just wishful thinking rather than looking at the facts and coming up with real theories. They do get lucky though on occasion. (i.e. the names of the islands) lol

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        • They are pretty good for the analysis stuff, albeit less so for Pokémon speculation. But I like to listen to their speculations sometimes when I don’t know what to do.

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  5. So how do you think the starters will be implemented into the story? I personally like the type: null theory because it ties together this and the “starters and Rockruff share a secret” thing.

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  8. I don’t know about that. I feel like Ash will be alluded to, but not shown. I think the Pikachus will be an event to celebrate the entire anime.

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  11. Where the frack is everyone
    the only logical reasoning is either severe inattendance or a Dark Wizard stole everyone’s souls…again

    well might as well binge watch Skylanders Academy
    Earthen Out

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    • Eeew don’t watch Skylanders! That show is painfully bad. Generic CG, generic writing, licensed IP, there are so many better shows to watch.

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    • This place will never be as popular as it was 3 years ago, but it makes me happy that there are still some regulars who haven’t left since then.

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    • I’ve just been playing FF14 all day. Finally finished the Crafting Beast tribe quest, and it was campy as hell. basically a bunch of dinosaur men want to reclaim their lost ability to fly by building an airship. With your hard work and making some deals with some other companies, you finally manage to make their dream come true as their pilot manages to pull out of an updraft and tells them its all good leading to everyone cheering like they just saved Apollo 13. The pilot then ask you after all the work you’ve done, why you actually did it, remembering that you were actually called into the area to kill the dinosaur men given they seemed like a threat. With a bit of a dark laugh you report in and get the achievement “that’s Soar folks”. And my reward? The ability to buy a non-flying mount that hopefully one day will be granted the ability to fly by strapping a balloon onto it.

      Now to grind until I can do the Moogle quests. I would say screw those little fuzz balls, but moogles are some of the most hardcore/BA’s/Edgelords in the entire game.

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      • ……i’ve been trying to find the motivation to level up my Death Knight but each passing day i burn out on wow…
        so yeah

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        • If you ever need another game to sink your time into and recover from the WoW burn, you have a home in my guild. Quite literally as it has a big arse mansion.

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          • No worries. I left Wow back during WotLK, and never looked back. IT wasn’t the game for me after the failure that was the that horrible bright crusaders raid, or what ever those guys were called. And honestly I’ve nearly quick FF14 a few times, but every time I try, something draw’s me back in. Be it the relic weapons and the fun grind they are, housing, or crafting and its horrible RNG BS. Right now it’s been the squad leader mechanic, which I guess is something like that mechanic in wow where you send out npc’s to do quest’s or something like that? It’s pretty bare bones, but fun at the same time. Basically its a simple case of seeing if a party of 4 can meet some stat requirements, which then give you a chance of wining of 0, 25, 50, or 100%. Your reward if you can do the final quest is you are given a new rank and the ability to buy a really stylish chest piece based on what faction your in, though only one of them looks really good.

        • I feel you… I hate legion so much. It’s too dungeon-based and when it takes 40+ mins to get into one things get dull quickly.

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  14. Ehat stats do you predict for the starters?

    Decidueye: 110/100/70/80/70/100

    Inicineroar: 80/110/80/90/70/100 (P.s. If you consider speed boost Blaziken, the fire starter is the same since gen 1 with the only exception of Emboar. So boring).

    Primarina: 90/65/100/100/105/70

    Before you point out that Incineroar and Decidueye will have both (depending on you preferences) 120 base speed, imo it will not happen. Decidueye will not have more then 100 cause right now is slower the Litten. Litten will lose speed imo cause it cannot be faster then Infernape. I don’t think we will have a starter with more then 100 base speed. There was not one in gen 1-2, then with has one in gen 3-4-5-6, now we are going back to the past cause it’s clear that GF has enough of speed and priority moves in competitive (look at new abilities and moves).

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    • Decidueye 80/74/75/115/80/105
      Incineroar 85/108/75/84/74/108 based on Litten’s stats
      Primarina 100/74/70/95/95/100

      total 534 for all

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        • I would love Incineroar to be
          84/125/80/60/75/110

          but these stats like your Primarina’s are only dreams, GF will make sure starters never get any stat below 60

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      • Rowlett HP stats is tied with Tepig’s for the highest of all starters. Primarina is a slow wall. She cannot have that speed and her attack is really poor.

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  15. Ugh, I’m so bored.
    I have four questions:
    1) Any new interesting leaks recently? I need my fix.
    2) Has the riddler updated on anything recently?
    3) Is there anything left that the Chinese leak mentions but hasn’t been announced?
    3.5) What about the leak with the “build your own league” thing? Or were those the same?
    4) Was that really the last trailer until the release? I know it’s not that far away, but I’m going to miss getting hyped up for the trailers the night before lol.

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  17. Level 101 Pikachu w/ a light ball
    Goodra
    Mega Charizard Y (because why not)
    Infernape
    Greninja (one way or another)
    Krookodile / Staraptor
    I’d like to face him as the league champion or just in the battle tree. i think it’d be fun

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  18. Finished Platinum and Soulsilver! Two down and 5 to go!
    Platinum team
    Torterra, Gyarados, Heracross, Probopass, Altaria, Gengar

    Soulsilver
    Charizard, Scizor, Tyranitar, Wigglytuff, Hitmonlee, Golduck

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  19. yay, what a nice way to get introduced into showdown, 5 matches, 5 ragequits in the OU ladder. people hate losing that much, huh? I only have one OU on my team, people think its a shoehorned win, but its as I always say, its about team composition, not tiers.

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    • I’d argue it’s both, a brilliantly composed OU team is going to better perform consistently in OU than a brilliantly composed cross tier team, but an OU Team may fall to a better composed cross tier team. There’s also the skill of the player to account for

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      • yeah that is true. I mean, they are in ou for a reason. my team was arcanine, serperior, milotic, vivillon,. mienshao, and altaria (mega) and each battle was a rage quit, I can only guess why… like, my vivillon hit with sleep powder, instant rage quit. they failed to ko my arcanine, rage quit, milotic used rest, rage quit, mienshao used fake out turn 1, rage quit. its really petty imo.

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        • If you just started and are low on the ladder, there are plenty of rage quits. For 2 reasons, it’s low ladder so a rage quit doesn’t effect their ranking that much and because they are players of a very low skill level.

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        • No duh once you get that quiver dance in you can sweep as they sleep
          And it’s a luck game for them, luck that is not in their favor and not for nothing the QD makes it easier for Sleep Powder to land

          They’re not gonna just sit idly by and have some jerk pull this shit

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          • The thing is though is that if they thought ahead they should of had a counter rather than get steam rolled by a regional butterfly

          • How could any of those OU guys possibly think ahead for something like this
            There’s only a few things they could’ve done and all situational
            Grass type (that miraculously resisted Hurticane or BBuzz)
            Overcoat which really only Mandibuzz
            Or anything faster which could either break its sash or Stealth Rocks

            Because you should know that once Vivillion is on the field that’s what’s coming

          • I meant sleep/paralysis + set-up counters

            Of course you can’t predict the Pokémon the opponent uses that’s dumb

            Also

            Priority
            Unaware

          • Yeah and what if Vivillion is a lead so the counter chance is minimal?
            You gonna switch your counter to get a face full of sleep powde, switch out and it gets a free quiver dance? Then the Hurricane hits like a airy truck

          • They probably would’ve predicted Vivillon is the lead

            Before a Quiver Dance Vivillon is ridiculously easy to get rid of or get down to its Sash, and it’s not exactly a miracle out speeding it. At that point, priority murders it.

            There’s plenty of leads that just crap on Vivillon, such as anything with a Lum Berry, Mega Diancie or Mega Sableye, anything that outspeeds and can status it, anything that outspeeds and has a rock move with a team mate with priority, Skarmory and Talonflame also just crap on it.

          • i like my team physically bulky, i pack arcanine’s intimidate, scaled, will-o-wisp, and i almost never invest ev’s to my attacking stats if I’m using a bulky pokemon, i have answers to talonflame, but you aren’t wrong, there’s no way vivillon will take on talonflame, especially the bulky variant, 1-on-1.

          • well, half the game is predicting the possibility of certain pokemon appearing, its why my serperior holds hidden power fire, the possibility of a steel/bug/grass (ugh venusaur, sometimes in want to switch to flying lol) counter is real… if I can finish a match.

          • yeah, I used the same team, in alpha sapphire, but my serperior had hp flying to handle it, but i’d often find myself being walled out by steel types, ESPECIALLY skarmory (now that I think about it, skarmory gives me quite a bit of trouble). I’m not sure whats worse, the types that wall out my set, or mega venusaur.

          • Yeah but I really hope Sun and Moon breathes in some fresh new styles because I’ve been battling for nearly 2 years straight and people rarely change it up

          • I’m sure the introduction of z moves will keep things fresh for awhile, until the dust settles and a new tier list is formed.

          • We can only hope
            But in the end it’s just going to add a small handful and everyone is just going to use the same 10-20 things and blehhhghhhhhhjjh *sputters out*

            But I truly want to test my Mudsdale tank set

          • Assault Vest or nah on that Mudsdale? Because tbh I’m seeing that as a popular option to compliment stamina

          • No no no
            This is my theory
            Dual Tank
            Impish 252 HP, 128 Atk, 128 Def
            Stamina
            Sitrus Berry
            High Horsepower/Earthquake
            Bulk Up
            Rockslide
            Toxic/Stealth Rock

            Lead with bulk up, takes a hit boosts defense and Sitrus Berry gets it back and just whittle it down
            Preferably with trick room

          • If Pikipek’s evo becomes a threat then this Mudsdale set will just slaughter it and become a monsterous physical tank a long as it stays in e-e

          • Don’t think that way yet
            I still to this very day think Stamina only is once per field appearance
            I don’t think they’re going to let it activate every hit, just once
            But we’ll see

          • Idk similar abilities such as Rattled, Weak Armor and Sap Sipper (get hit by a move = stat up) all seem to activate multiple times if provided

          • …or carried the extremely common ice shard on a pokemon. or had a rock type or steel type or skarmory, who eats vivillon’s moveset like its not ones busness.

          • quiver dance does not make sleep powder easier to hit, vivillons ability compound eyes does. vivillon isn’t sweeping a well made team anytime soon, there’s no reason they didn’t have any sort of priority to stop it, or focus sash on a pokemon, these aren’t extremely uncommon means to stop a sweeper.

          • that’s true, and vivillons is naturally speedy as it is. I just tried again, another guy rage quit because he saw how little his arcanine’s wild charge did to milotic. it was like, turn 4… -_-; maybe showdown just isnt for me…

          • Nah, once you get to the higher tiers you’ll tend to get people who actually play and will only forfeit if they legit need to go, are in a particularly bad mood, or you’re using a drawn out tactic they know they can’t beat so there’s no point in wasting their own time.

          • Trust me its not for everyone but I need to stay in shape and more importantly see how everyone else lays
            so I battle every day

          • that’s why I splatoon every day, I don’t want to get rusty lol. a few matches a day does wonders to help keep skills sharp.

          • I haven’t splatted in ages
            I left when I hit the first level cap but then it increased and never recovered…. I feel shamed…

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  23. Hmmm interesting but maybe it’s because Ash-Greninja’s Player ID also says “Ash”, so they’d have to trademark it? In this case, Satoshi.

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  24. Hasn’t GameFreak made several trademarks that mean absolutely nothing though? Pretty sure Gray and Delta Emerald were trademarked and never happened

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