Spoiler & rumor alert: The contents of this article are speculative in nature (based on evidence from demo contents & official documents) and may also spoil surprises in the game. You have been warned.
Dots are being connected in what could be the biggest Pokémon crossover between the anime and games that the franchise has ever seen. Pokémon Sun & Moon could be the first titles in which Ash, the star of the Pokémon anime, makes an appearance.
Although his in-game counterpart, Red, has a storied history since debuting as the protagonist of the first Pokémon games, Ash has never actually appeared in any games of the main series. Ash-Greninja being available hinted at his existence in the game canon and the demo also made passing reference to him, but it was not widely speculated that he would actually be an opponent in the games, until now.
Recently a trademark filing by Nintendo & Game Freak for ‘Satoshi’ (Ash’s Japanese name) was discovered. This is interesting because it is obviously game-related, not simply a filing for the anime. Although Ash-Greninja will be available to players in Pokémon Sun & Moon after transferring it from the demo, there wouldn’t be much more reason that they’d need to trademark Ash’s name: after all, the anime season featuring his Greninja just wrapped up. The filing also makes no mention of a Pokémon in correlation to him either.
In addition, his Pikachu has already been confirmed by game data mined in the demo! Whether this is an event for players (probably) in addition to a Pokémon he may use on his team is still unclear. It does however point to one thing: Ash is definitely tied into Sun & Moon heavily.
This all comes together with the recent unveiling of the Battle Tree, a location in Alola that allows players to battle with and against some of the most famous trainers in Pokémon history! Sounds like a great place for Ash to make his game debut…
I’ll finish up by reminding everyone with exactly the same warning I gave going in: this is not confirmed. It is, however, definitely something that is being strongly hinted at!
FEATURED DISCUSSION: Fakemon?
I was hoping for the starters secret ..
Three most likely things are unique Z-moves, special evolution methods (starters do not evolve at level 16 this gen) or story importance.
But starters can evolve in the Range of lvl.14 to lvl18?
Just in case you don’t believe me Chimchar, Cyndaquil, Turtwig, Totodile all evolve at one of the two
Hopefully it’s not horrible looking curvy Ash.
Hopefully Ash is NOT in the the game because then that would mean Professor Oak has two Grandsons who look exactly the same, Blue and Gary….
And there are 4 Professor Oaks
Yeah, let’s hope GF aren’t complete dumbasses.
Eh, Gamefreak have never cared much about logic before. All they have to do is drop Ash in as a one-off special opponent, and just simply avoid referencing Gary. It doesn’t have to make sense to be fun 😉
You right.
Pls, NO.
Ash don’t come to existence now and never.
I wouldn’t mind it that much unlike most people who I see hate or dislike Ash I enjoy Ash as a character and I love his new look
I also want Ash hat Pikachu
That would be hilarious XD, why do I want this? XD
Imagine a double battle you have to do against both Blue and Gary
Maybe their identical twins
Making Ash canon in the video games =/= the anime and video games are the same canon. All it means is that Red and Ash will no longer be analogues. They’ll be their own independent characters in the video game canon.
Plot twist: grown up Red is Ash’s father.
But seriously I never was a fan of Ash and rather not see him in the games.
Haha pretty sure it’s actually going to be: Grown up Ash is player-character’s father.
And? Who cares? It’s not that big of a deal, if Ash is in the game and Blue and Gary end up being two people, SO WHAT? It’s not your show OR your game! Just have fun.
You don’t need to be so hostile about it. I’d just prefer if Ash’s presence in the games was kept extremely minimal.
They already mentioned that Red is Ashs counterpart in the games so both of them cant exist in the same place…if this ever happened it will be a parallel world or something as stupid as this…I mean in gs you can battle yourself
Yeah it really just makes no sense. For all of that They might as well add Gary
Gary is literally Blue but with a different name.
Exactly
Mmm…who cares?
Some people…? I don’t see why people are so pessimistic as soon as they enter an article. Geez. Don’t say anything if you don’t care.
Free expression? You know it’s a right and article are made for a reason, so I’m free to react as I want. I don’t this huge secret, but hey everyone is free to react as they want.
But say “I don’t care.”
Who cares? was intended as I don’t care, you kno…It’s just an impersonal form.
Yeah. I get it.
I’m sorry. I was just reading a lot of comments from before and they were really pessimistic. I just hate when that happens and it gets me all fired up.
I’m not pessimistic at all, I simply don’t care. I will be really disappointed if this is actually the greatest s/m secret we don’t know yet.
if you don’t care then there is no need to comment, simple.
I’m free do it. Why did you comment then? Just you cannot accept other people thinking differently?
Nobody.
I care.
Ash>Red
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No need to be a dick
I don’t find this massively shocking. Anime tie-ins have happens in the game universe before…Yellow Version. If Ash does appear, it’ll be a fun little piece of fanservice for anime fans because these are celebratory 20th anniversary games. I don’t think it’ll be a big, game-changing, continuous thing. But I guess if you’re an Ash fan…yay? *shrugs*
Hey people I’ve fought long and hard with many people but what do you think are Ash’s Top 10 Strongest Pokémon for me it’s
10. Donphan
9. Pikachu
8. Krookodile
7. Torterra
6. Snorlax
5. Infernape
4. Heracross
3. Sceptile
2. Greninja
1. Charizard
1. Charizard – Been with Ash almost as long as Pikachu, but has fought in more high profile battles, been training at Charicific Valley, also was the first Pokemon in the anime to fight and beat a legendary
2. Pikachu – Been with Ash the longest, and has a win and a draw against legends, however due to the it being reset pretty much every region and the fact that it is rarely his ace in high profile battles
3. Sceptile – His second fully evolved starter, gone through the Hoenn region and the Battle Frontier with Ash, has fought Regirock and lost, and was the only Pokemon to KO Darkrai in Sinnoh League.
Snorlax – Been with Ash a very long time, and has one hell of a win-loss record, always reliable and pulls his weight.
Infernape – Third fully evolved starter Pokemon and star of the Sinnoh League, however has not been used since Sinnoh. Also his power can be attributed to his ability, which cannot be said for the others above.
Greninja – His latest fully evolved starter, still has room for development, and again his power is attributed to something other than just the Pokemon itself.
Herracross – One of his strongest and reliable pokemon, however has not been used all too much since Johto.
Krookodile – Another one of his newer Pokemon, quite Powerful during BW, but once again we haven’t seen it since, so we can’t say too much more about it. Managed to hold its own (not sure if it beat) Iris’ Dragonite
Donphan – Another Powerhouse from Johto who showed its power during the Battle Frontier Arc, but alas it lacks appearances since then
Honourable mentions – Muk, Tauros, Swellow, Gliscor, Goodra
I wouldn’t put Pikachu so high. It’s basically as strong as they want it to be, remember that it beats legendaries but loses to lv. 5 snivys.
Although losing to Snivy was canon, take in that just recently Pikachu was able to take out the two pseudo legendary Pokemon on Alan’s team. Yet you’re right about it being too high, it loses experience each time at a new region, so it probably would be a little lower on the list
That’s why i said the reset prevents it from being at top. But at the same time you can’t deny it’s achievements over the past 20 years. Why would the single negative thing have a bigger impact than the numerous positive things?
As much as it’d be cool to see him in game I really don’t care. I wouldn’t mind if he DID show up and I wouldn’t mind if he DIDN’T show up. It’s interesting that they seem to be trying to pull him in for this game (even if it’s just minor). If he does show up then I don’t think people should look to far into it. It most likely wouldn’t have any effect on the games world and it certainly wouldn’t change anything for pre-established characters. It’d be just one little thing thrown in for fun. So anyone who has an aneurysm over how his being in the games world would change relationships with certain characters needs to take a step back. In the grand scheme of things. It’ll be more for fun than anything “canon”.
Ash is coming to build the league, because he can’t win one on his own.
Plot Twist!!!
And then he’ll lose it to the Alolan protag c:
Naturally.
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Not true. He won the orange league.
He can’t win a real league on his own
The orange leave is built exactly the same way as sun and moon is. Think about it.
Was Orange League on par with an regional-based league? I mean the requirements to getting an orange league entry is way easier than getting a region’s league entry.
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By your logic, sun and moon won’t have a real league either.
And why not? Trials have a trial captain battle, don’t they? The trial is just a requirement for the battle so arguably Alola’s process could be seen as more difficult than previous regional requirements.
Plus, you have to factor in the Kahunas as well. To have truly beat an island’s challenge you must defeat them. Far more difficult than Orange League’s standards.
Also, Orange islands was complete filler for the time gap between RBY and GSC so Ash winning in a filler arc is hardly the best claim to victory especially since that league was beyond easy in the first place.
Difficulty has nothing to do with it. You said he can’t win ONE. He won one. You’re wrong.
—>If he brought all his pokemon like he did in the Sinnoh League he would have won.
—>It’s his bad luck that he didn’t have a single mega stone though admittedly he had Ash- Greninja thingy
—>Justice defeated him. He hacked and defeated Mega Sceptile with Water Shuriken (x 1/4 damage) and he got rekt by a Blast Burn (x1/2)
Fair enough.
I have a question about the anime. Weren’t there rumours that Serena was going with Ash to Alola? From the looks of the anime trailer it doesn’t look so. So that’s it for her then?
Yep, she’s going off to Hoenn to do contests I think.
god I hope not.
Also why is this titled “LAST BIG SECRET REVEALED?”
There is nothing to suggest this is the LAST secret.
Honestly thought the article would be about a post game region
Yeah, if THIS was the biggest secret, these games would suck,
also if he is in the game, I bet he’s the trainer’s father. Which I’d hate, KEEP THEM SEPERATE CANONS GAMEFREAK
Ash can continue being 10 years old and go to a region really far away from Alola
Gary and Blue confirmed as long lost twins then? Lol
I totally read that as “gay and blue”
Do you need to tell us something, Leo? 😛
What? Are you doubting my sexuality? I’m straight like a circle!
Circle, you say? Haha!
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You are! <3
So are you <3
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I’d never speak like this irl but it’s so funny on the internet x)
Neither do I. I’m actually quite macho irl *flexs*
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I like beef not tuna, my good man.
Good taste + a dark type pokemon in the profile pic = bless you
Dark and Ghost types are my life. 😉
I love both types too, my favorite ghost types are Froslass and Mismagius
I love Dusknoir and Sableye!
Though I will NEVER use Alolan Persian. Lol
I’m not using any dark type from alola
I will be using Incineroar, but I’m in the minority that absolutely loves him. XD
We can’t marry then, sorry
Lol Well, I’ve got a man I’m head over heels for anywho. 😀
Same https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/131ab6b92f9f6286f9608e3bb8a0327852ae248209f66f0013f08effbb923e70.png
Lol Kiawe, eh? You like your men fiery and full of passion it seems. 😉
But you haven’t seen my man, you haven’t seen him. He’s got the fiiiire and he walks with it. (you probably don’t know the song though haha). I’m quite shy when it comes to opening up to others (which explains my being single lol) but if you gonna do it do it with passion! 😀
I’m very shy, too, but I get hit on a lot since I’m “hot”, I guess. I don’t see it, but guys do. My boyfriend hates that I call myself ugly lol (I think I’m average at best. Lol!) But, yeah! Passion is powerful. You do you and flaunt it!
I don’t know that song. XD
I mostly get hit on by girls, I don’t even know if guys flirt with me because if I see another guy looking i’m like “nope” and avoid eye contact. And I think the last time I actually had a crush was over 2 years ago u_U.
I’m like that as well. I mean the only way I actually talk to guys is by going online. Bars, clubs, events, and other gay-based social functions are like my bane of existence. I am socially awkward towards men. lol It’s bad!
I’ve been to a gay bar/night out thing alone. I went inside, looked around, freaked out, and was on my way home 3 seconds later x)
You went to a bar by yourself!? You’re braver than I am!
Well, I tried. I just spend most of my free time at home or walking around the city, people must think that I don’t like them when in reality I’m just scared to talk to them x)
No, I get that! I have a beard and I apparently look like an arrogant jerk. But, I’m actually way too social awkward, shy, and introverted to initiate a conversation irl. lol Those three quailities are so lethal to a social life/ interaction. XD
Beard + shy + macho look = why people flirt with you so much haha
I have a beard too and don’t really smile unless I’m with friends or family so yeah
I don’t smile often either so I can see why people think that about me lol
Lol Beard+shy+macho= hot, eh? Hmm ?
Beards are hot af
Mine is pretty filled out. Lol
Plus, I agree!
As a straight female with a gay guy friend we agree with this math. Lol
ignore this
If I recall correctly, theres being several event Pokemon with Ash as the Trainer ID.
Unless I dreamt that…
I might have dreamt that.
Grrrr for some time now i’ve had an urge to fight this kid just to crush his spirit
but as of currently i’ve only did fantasy analysis on his current XY team
and they all boil down to a mono clash between Ash-Greninja and my Mega Garchomp
Do Red and Blue have a ship name? Because if not can I recommend IndigoShipping?
Isn’t it pallet shipping?
Purple
Red and Blue are OriginalShipping
Ash and Gary are PalletShipping
Tumblr has taught me well
So kind of important. The reason that Rowlet’s a ghost type:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p-Cla43ssgo
Seriously love my teams. Need these games to come out!
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Ew at ash greninja
I was never a fan of Greninja. But I like the design for Ash-Greninja a lot.
I’m the exact opposite. I even have the Pokedoll Greninja lol
To each their own I suppose lol As much as I love the base and 1st evos, the final evos for 6th gen were some of my least liked out of all generations. Chestnaught is my fav though not including Ash-Greninja.
Regardless of how viable or not it is, totally going to try to make a competitive team around Tapu Koko, Tapu Lele, and Alola Raichu.
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-Tapu Koko’s Electric Surge to activate Electric Terrain.
-Raichu’s Surge Surfer to double speed
-Raichu paralyzes opponent
-Raichu uses Electro Ball
I don’t know how to work in Tapu Lele.
Well Lele’s Psychic Surge will give Raichu’s Psychic attacks a boost. And it looks like it hinders super-effective Dark attacks. So it’s something!
and you think both terrains will work at the same time?
No? And do you think I think I’ll have all three out at once?
sorry read it wrong
Is coo’. I could see Terrain wars playing a role in VGC 17
What if you’re only allowed one Tapu at a time?
I have a feeling Tapu Koko and Alolan Raichu will be quite popular to start with. I’m interested to seeif they can withstand the test of time.
They’ve already announced the rules for VGC 17 outside of what legendaries are banned and not. I think it’s safe to say there won’t be any semi-banned legendaries this time around. I’m fairly confident they’ll be fair game like the Djinns.
Is anyone else disappointed that we don’t appear to be getting a tiki Pokémon in these games? Cause if we were ever going to get a tiki Pokémon, these should have been the games we got it in…
i wanted that Grass/Fire Tiki
Ummm….we got 4 of them..
Those aren’t tikis because none of them is fire type and none of them is brown.
Saw this on Twitter and it made me laugh lol
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I love the ’04 on Leaf’s shirt to match Red’s ’96.
Wow I didn’t even notice that hahaha
Omg, pikachu. Lol
Oh wow I love this, especially the design for Leaf. It’s so annoying red is the only previous PC they’ve ever let you battle, we can’t even get his female counterpart :/ .
It also gives me Generations vibes… What if we got bonus Alola episodes like the Kanto champions travelling to Alola? How awesome would that be?
Call me crazy, but I kind of want to catch a Pyukumuku for my first play through team. I don’t care how bad its stats are. It’s adorably derpy, and I will MAKE it good! I also came up with an adorable nickname for one.
its only purpose is to switch in to take a dive
If watching PIMPNITE videos has taught me anything, it’s that any Pokémon can be used well in battle if you try hard enough.
And if you take 10+ turns to knock out a single Pokemon.
tell that to ledian, or Delibird, Maractus, Phione, Butterfree, Plusle Minum and Farfetch’d
You’re crazy
That’s the beauty of using Pokémon for a play through. Even if they’re not competitively viable, they may still be good against NPCs. I’ve had Pokémon like Grumpig and Farfetch’d on my main party before and they did they held up surprisingly well.
The only thing that puts me off using a Pokemon is if it takes more than 2 hits to take out an NPC Pokemon
I used a Farfetch’d in my Y play through. He was suppose to be temporary and something I just got in an NPC trade but I loved that his name was Quacklin’. Lol Suddenly he managed to be as useful and powerful as everybody else.
Do it! Just do it! Don’t let your dreams be dreams!
Me too, Pyukumuku probably won’t have great stats yet everything else about it seems amazing
well i’m going out for a while
i may or may not be filming a lets play later
If you could change one thing about a pokemon’s design, what would it be?
For example: Gallade’s hips. I would make them less wonky and more sleek.
Id make alolan persians body fluffier to match its head
Yes.
I’d make Rayquaza’s lips yellow, so it doesn’t look like it’s wearing lipstick.
I like drag Rayquaza thank you very much. /s lol
I think those are meant to me more like teeth. Yes it has the two white fangs in front, but the rest I’ve always seen as teeth as well.
I would take dunsparce remove it completely.
Why cant I give more upvotes
Honestly there’s a number of things. But the most recent would have to be to not take Popplios Evolutions in this direction.
lol yep
nonononononononononononononononono
Littens final evo(can’t remember it’s name and don’t want to)and i would make it so he walks on all four legs instead of being a cereal box mascot
And its hands, those disgusting hands
Of course, how could i forget those disgusting hands!?
I would change Samurott’s design to standing up instead of on all fours. Going from standing up to four legs made me irritated about it, yet I suppose it was to make the design like a sea lion.
we are going to battle ash… and his non-evolved pokemon
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Maybe it’s just you battle him with his Pikachu or just does a Cameo and we really don’t fight him. Like if we build the league then he comes and challenges it but we don’t get to see any of that.
Lmao sounds great. Truely