RUMOR: Chinese Riddler Updates Their Pokémon List

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Another Pokémon Sun & Moon reveal, another update from the mysterious Chinese leaker who only gives cryptic clues about Pokémon that will be revealed. This update comes after the reveal of Lycanroc, Passimian and Oranguru and here are some things that I’m noting:

  • The split-form nature of Lycanroc is noted by a divided box, but the final evolutions of the starters are not, suggesting that the secret “shared” by Rockruff and the starters is not version-exclusive evolutionary forms
  • The “Aristotle” Pokémon seems to be connected to UB-01 suggesting that maybe Ultra Beasts will be obtainable similarly to Pokémon… or maybe they even have a Pokémon counterpart?
  • Ultra Beasts do seem to be included right alongside Pokémon in his list, nested right between traditional “legendary” Pokémon

These are just my own personal thoughts after see the grid, I’m just playing along with everyone else trying to figure out what he means 🙂 Have to say… it is kind of fun.

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  3. Ok, if you were a gym leader, what would your type be, what would your team be and what would your gym be like?

    I would be a ghost type leader.

    -Mimikyu
    -Froslass
    -Gourgeist
    – Mismagius
    -Chandelure
    -Mega Gengar

    My gym would give trainers a lantern that had limited fuel. You have to traverse a maze filled with walls you can pass through and invisible walls both only made clear by shining light onto them.

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    • I guess this applys if you qualify for the league huh?

      FLYING TYPE
      – Oricorio
      – Togekiss
      – Gliscor
      – Tropius
      – Noivern
      – M Altaria

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    • I wish gym leaders had themes rather than being centred around types, but here goes.

      I wanted to consider other types as well, but for brevity I’ll post just 1 scenario.

      Psychic type:
      -Espeon (Magic Bounce)
      -Slowking (Regenerator)
      -Metagross (Clear Body)
      -Delphox (Magician)
      -Gallade (Justified) (Mega)

      My gym battle would be in double battle format.

      The trap would be a large hedge maze with mirrors, fake doors and fake walls.

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    • i don’t care for these
      everyone overdoes their team and makes them all final forms and op crap

      Ground (Obviously)
      Sandslash
      Piloswine
      Gabite
      Palpitoad
      Graveler
      Rhyperior

      My Gym is extra demanding since you’ll need both flash and strength to navigate through my pitch black subterranean tunnels to make it to mu Bowl Shaped Arena

      and i’d begrudgingly award trainers that best me with the Terrain Badge and TM 26 Earthquake

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        • Yeah, I was still brainstorming. I was thinking it could be like a Castle. You have to navigate around the castle and there are people you have to fight in each room so that they’ll give you hints as to the location of secret passages that you will need to proceed successfully. I would be at the tallest tower in a library. You have to enter it through a secret dumbwaiter in the dungeon and when the player tries to use the long spiral staircase, it turns into a slide as they get to the top. Hehe.

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    • – Roserade
      – Glameow
      – Lopunny
      – Eevee
      – Scizor

      I give out the Sol Badge and my puzzle would be a large white room with invisble holes, teleportation devices, walls, doors, etc… and no gym trainers. You have a limited amount of time to complete the puzzle and if you fail to traverse through in the allotted amount of time, the puzzle changes each time you fail. I give out the Sunny Day TM.

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    • I would be a Water type leader

      – Mantine
      – Gastrodon (East Sea)/Omastar (Seasonal)
      – Qwilfish
      – Ludicolo
      – Corsola

      My gym would be within a reef, without disturbing the ecosystem, of course and you would need to ride on/dive with a Mantine that is on the deck of the town (It is my Mantine). On the inside it would be dry and you’ll see the guy who gives you advice. It will be a strip of sand with water on either side. You go into the water with the Mantine (You don’t get to use it in battle tho) and when you go down into the water, you’ll be in a place filled with first stage water types (they won’t battle you) and you have 30 seconds to find the secret cave. You need to go back up for air after 30 seconds. When you find the cave, you will battle a trainer and then be able to go into the water on either side of the corallite cave floor. You repeat this and there are 3 levels. The second level has second stage water types and you have 20 seconds to find the cave and you go back for air to the 1st trainer level. Then you have 10 seconds on the last level and you find me and Mantine sets you down on the sand and I jump on it and you challenge.

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    • I would be a Fairy-type leader:

      -Mimikyu
      -Comfey (Comfey Evo)
      -(Morelull Evo)
      -(Cutiefly Evo)
      -Florges (or Mimikyu Evo if there is one)

      My gym would have an active misty terrain that would serve as a fog to make it difficult to traverse the gym. The objective is to follow a shiny Cutiefly, that will run away from you, around the gym. However there will be a variety of Morelull hidden on each of the floors you go through.If you happen to arouse one’s attention they will throw a random status on you that will hamper your journey -paralysis, burn, and poison will make you slower, sleep and frozen condition will leave you stuck on one spot, confusion will make your movements random. The condition will disappear with time or when you go to the next floor. There is also one hidden Comfey that can heal you of your condition and your Pokemon. Mimikyu will give you hints on the way because I would want this gym to have three expansive floors with many grass ladders going up and down them (in other words it will be difficult to navigate so Mimikyu will help). There will be trainers along the way to battle against you. Finally, when you find the shiny Cutiefly the mist will clear up and the gym leader (in other words me) will appear and challenge you.

      Please let me know what you all think about this.

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  6. Seems like the greyed-out Pokemon at the bottom don’t mean much. Staryu and Starmie used to be greyed out in a previous version of this chart, but now they’re not. *shrug*

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  8. Something really cool about the reboot theory is that it brings together many parts of various religions and cultures. Christianity, Hinduism, Polynesian gods and culture…. Alchemy sprinkled all through out. I think that it is pretty cool since Pokemon has been advertised as of late to bring people together

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    • It’s been doing that here and there for generations though.

      Groundon and Kyogre being the biblical Behemoth and Leviathan for example.

      Maybe they’ve been a bit lax on Polynesia (only doing moais and maybe parrots)

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        • Yeah.

          And recently I’ve discovered that loads of the G4 pokemon appear to be based on greek concepts ending in -os.

          Logos, Pathos, Ethos.
          Cosmos, Chronos.
          Erebos/Hypnos/Chaos.

          Might just be a coincidence though. I’m sure given time I’d find some for the others.

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  11. Lockstin’s Part 3 video is so good omfg. I can’t wait for 3.5 now, and it definitely increased my hype for Sun and Moon which I didn’t think was possible at this point!!

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  12. Wouldn’t it be neat if the Trial Captains taught us the main Z-Move dances for each type, but special ones are taught by special characters? Like Red teaching us Pikachu’s move or Blue with Eevee?

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  14. Okay I watched that Lockstin/Gnoggin fella that some of you were fanboying over and he’s really good! His theories were well thought out and he managed to find everything GF hid in the games .-.

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  16. So I know this is off topic, but is anyone else on Pottermore? I just found out my Patronus and wanted to see what other people got. I think it would be cool to know what Pokémon you’d like as your Patronus too.

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        • Oops I got carried away reading the story of Ilvermorny and forgot to post what I got. I got a Basset Hound and I would have liked Noctowl or Phanpy as my patronus because I love owls and elephants.

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      • I would have liked Wolf if I didn’t get Dragon, I’m very happy I did though. Loppuny would look really cool as a silvery white Patronus 🙂

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          • Nice, I think Ravenclaw would be my most likely if I hadn’t got Gryffindor, but I’d have been OK with any of them as I think I have traits of the others too. I also got Thunderbird for Ilvermorny which sounds cool. Did you sort into Ilvermorny?
            What is your wand? Do you like it?

          • They are on your home page on Pottermore, I think it’s directly below your Hogwarts house and then the wand is at the bottom. I can’t link it as I’ve already been sorted :/

          • I thought of this when I first saw it too 😀 Though not the aweful CG remake, the original puppet version, strings, real human hands and all.

          • I didn’t mind what the remake did to the thunderbirds themselves, the assembly system in TB2’s pods is pretty cool, but I didn’t like their decision to mess with the chracters..

            I mean who decided brains should be Indian? Aside from being unnecessary, that’s a really stereotypical view of Indians.

            As for Kayo, they changed her appearance completely. Promoting her to a full time member of the team I could live with, but they completely changed the character, they might has well have just come up with a completely new name.

            Also Parker is now stuck half way between being a grey haird old man and a baby faced middle-aged guy, and the voice isn’t done very well at all.

            At least they mostly left Penelope alone (aside from altering her hairstyle).

          • I just found them really ugly. I like that they can do quite a lot more action stuff but the Original did just great itself. Indian Brains is why I eventually gave up on it, he was just irritating. I don’t know why he’s Indian, and it’s not like I’d have a problem with it if he was originally Indian and much less irritating.
            They needed a strong female character as part of the team, especially to try and reach a wider audience. I don’t like what they did to Kayo though. They could have done it whilst keeping her more similar to how she was or indeed had a new character.
            Parker used to be hilarious to me. I don’t know what it is driving Penelope about now, but it isn’t good.
            I can live with Penelope changing her hairstyle, somewhat easier to do than changing to Indian. Now I’m reminded of the movie Tropic Thunder XD
            I heard they were making a special of Thunderbirds using the original puppet version, not sure if it’s still happening though.

          • They probably choose to do CGI because it’s cheap.

            Yeah, it completely changes his image.
            (And people will probably think I’m being mean to Indians, but the first thing I think of when I hear an Indian accent is cold callers because so many call centres are based in India. If they didn’t have so many call centres, I’d think of the Kumars or characters from soaps.)

            I get they probably needed to promote Kayo to increase viewership, but they didn’t have to completely overhaul the character. They changed practically everything about her.

            (On a side note, (warning, a bit ranty) I hate the term ‘strong woman’ or ‘strong female’. It implies A) strong women are a rare thing and B) there aren’t that many around.
            Also ‘strong’ is a bit vague, there’s no consensus on what classes a character as being strong. By my definition, most if not all female characters in all the cartoons, soaps, dramas etc that I’ve ever watched were strong. Or at the very least, there’s next to none that I would describe as weak.)

            Yeah. I recently watched the film centred around an airship where they hinted at his past as a criminal and it was done beautifully. He was supposed to be a docile man with a questionable past acting as a comic relief, not a grey haired james bond 😛

            Yeah, I don’t like the hairstyle, but it’s acceptable because it’s believeable.

            I started watching Tropic Thunder once but had to stop for some reason 😛

            I doubt it but I hope so. Ventriloquist dummies used to creep me out when I was younger, but for some reason the supermarionation of Thunderbirds never did, which is a testiment to how well it was done.

          • Yeah I was just going by the terms used in media. I would have also said strong male character, were it not a common thing in the show already, to describe a character that actually does something pro-active to advance the plot and is a main member of the team, which is how I was viewing the term. I think they just needed to have more main female charactes in general. Didn’t mean to offend anyone :/
            They should have just had a new character, kept Kayo as she was and then had both be there.
            I have friends who are originally from India, so the accent isn’t bothersome to me. The voice they’ve given him is though. That and he’s now even more of a stereotype than before.
            I think Goosebumps made me dislike Ventriloquist dummies, well that kind at least, not fear them though. I’ve always liked puppets. I just saw Kubo and The Two Strings, a beautiful film and extraordinary stop motion work with Puppets, with some CGI blended in. I think this would have been a better way for Thunderbirds to be remade. It is quite time consuming and maybe more expensive than the CGI they are using, but it would look better.

          • Don’t worry, it’s the term I have issue with, not you for using it.
            As the saying goes “hate the sin, not the sinner”.

            If they meant that they could just use the term ‘prominant’, strong sounds to me like they have to be bossy or physically strong, or over the top courageous. I wouldn’t necissarily describe the Tracys as strong, they’re dedicated and brave, but they’re not physically imposing or anything.

            Yeah, if they’d just added a new character I would have been ok with whatever they wanted to do with the character as long as the writing was good and the character wasn’t annoying in any way.

            For example, in the new star wars films, I really like Finn because he’s quite a scaredy cat and doesn’t have many talents, but he’s willing to face his fears and ends up being quite courageous, even if he’s still quite bumbling. Rey on the other hand was a Mary Sue. She can use the force with practically zero training, she knows how to fix practically anything, she has zero fear and practically no other character flaws. I mean, at least with Thunderbirds, they’ve had cases of characters disobeying orders or crashing their thunderbirds.

            I don’t have issues with Indian accents in themselves, it’s just they way it’s done reminds me of the kind you get with call centres, it doesn’t feel natural, it feels forced.

            That’s usually one of the biggest culprits 😛
            I think mine predated my encounter with Slappy.

            I might watch that some time to see what it’s like. I hadn’t heard of it until the other week.

            Yeah, but these TV channels spread themselves too thinly and are afraid of spending money. Look at Doctor Who, the viewership goes up and the BBC cuts the budget instead of pouring more into it.

          • I am also in Thunderbird 🙂 The American one was recently revealed by J.K.Rowling and I expect it will be mentioned in the Fantastic Beasts movie.

          • Well Fantastic Beasts is set in America which is one of the reasons they were created, but that’s likely a reason too.

          • Yeah, reading the synopsis that’s definately been decided as a way to attract Americans.

            It would have made mode sense to have it in Geneva or Germany since mainland Europe is the origin of a heck of a lot of the more famous magical creature myths. America is more about cryptids and maybe the Native American creatures.

            Which reminds me, it’s odd that the houses are all centred around mythical creatures instead of real ones like in Hogwarts.

          • Yeah I had thought that. It’s almost like she was trying to make it seem more especial for them or something. I think Animals Native to America would have been fine. Though I did like the stories behind each Ilvermorny house so I’m OK with them. I wonder if it had been set elsewhere if the houses would have been the same. At least she stuck to 4 houses.

          • She probably is, it’s a very cliché way to cash in on something. I think making it based in Geneva (I have various reasons for picking Geneva) or making it go from country to country would have given chance to add characters from lots of countries to the line-up. Plus it would justify a lot of the creatures being present because of the amounts of forests and lakes and lore originating in europe.

            Yeah, like otters, racoons, bison and groundhogs. Maybe bears or skunks (skunk would be an excellent contrast to badgers).

            If it was elsewhere, they probably would have had local animals. (Though technically Snakes aren’t that common in Britian, and the Lion only makes sense in abstract form)

          • I think the main character has travelled around a lot and it just takes place mostly in America, where the Beasts escape his suitcase (going by the trailer).
            I think Armadillo would be a good house Mascot for an American school. Skunk, Bison and Bald Eagle perhaps for the other 3? Or have 5 and add in a Sea creature or Reptile. Things that aren’t too similar, maybe even an insect. I think Australia would have a large Spider as one of theirs for example.
            Also I doubt there’s just one school in all of America.

          • I know, but still, we see more of America in films than anywhere else in the world, I’d like more films set in other places. Like the James Bond films, they travel around a lot. They have a hub, but they travel.

            The Eagle seems really cliché 😛

            Australia: Koala, Platypus, Wombat, Kangaroo (Maybe a bit too cliché? XD)
            Australia has plenty of things that want to kill you.
            Box Jellyfish, Spiders, Snakes, Blue Ringed Octopi…

          • I agree, it is the biggest Market for most films unless they are allowed in China though, and Americans love seeing mostly America according to the people in charge of making movies it seems.
            The Eagle is very cliché, and yet I feel it would have gone down very well.
            Australia would just have been really interesting, and a lot of land to hide magical creatures.
            I guess America had a lot more cities when this is set so the escaped creatures would be more problematic.

          • I can believe that. There is a line between patriotism and being self centred, and sometimes it gets very blurry in America.

            Technically the Lion of Griffindor is sort of cliché because it’s a symbol of England, but since Hogwards was hinted as being ‘British’ and was supposedly up in Scottland, it’s a bit more excusable. I still think it’s quite biased of JKR, but to be honest I can’t think of anything else to represent bravery other than a Dragon, and that would be unfair if the others weren’t magical.

            Yeah. The only thing it lacks is forests. (It has forests, but they’re full of very different species to what you typically think of as a forest :P)

            Hrm, maybe. Canada would have been just as good though, I feel.

          • A dog could have been used to represent Bravery, there are both cowardly dogs and lions so probably OK. Plus a dog would highly represent loyalty too which is an attribute highly prized in Gryffindor.
            I think Australia would be open to a lot of weird and wonderful magical creatures. And as with other Magical creatures they can be hidden from Muggles.
            I’d have liked Canada. I’m not sure if it was mentioned at all in the books as to where Newt Scamander actually travelled.

          • There may be many cowardly dogs, but there is only one cowardly lion.
            A dog would sort of make sense I suppose, but it seems a bit domestic.
            I did think a stag might make sense because they have the strong horns and fight each other during mating season, but then they tend to flee from humans and are often considered to be a prey animal. Maybe a horse would have been a good choice, used by knights, very trusting, very strong.

            I don’t think it was, he was probably only mentioned as the author of a single book, but thanks to supplementary material like the various video games and analysis books, a lot of the stuff that would have remained on the side ended up in the limelight.

          • What are the houses and what are their deals? I got Slytherin for my house on the Hogwarts house quiz and that was pretty far from the truth -.- I wanna know the American ones… cuz ya know… I’m American

    • I’m not all that interested in making an account to find that out, since I’m not super into the Potter fandom, but I know I would definitely belong in Ravenclaw (with some hints of Hufflepuff, but I value and embody more Ravenclaw than Hufflepuff)

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      • Yeah I think I have traits of all houses, I think Gryffindor is right for me going on the description, but I think the Sorting hat would consider putting me into the others for a while, too Ravenclaw for the second longest time probably.

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        • The main thing with mine is that I value wisdom and creativity, even if I have values of Hufflepuff, and in the source material, the Sorting Hat takes in account what you value, example Hermione valuing bravery more than wisdom hence Gryffindor.
          In a quiz form, it would be hard to take that in account somewhat, so I base it myself.

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          • Yeah I agree. I think I value Loyalty and protecting others (Bravery) highly so maybe that would win out as Gryffindor for me. I think they’ve done fairly well within the limits they have. I’ve seen a lot of people unhappy with where they were sorted though.

    • I must admit I think it’s ironic that JKR decided to go ahead with the house thing.

      She implies Voldemort’s mud-blood and muggle hating thing is racist/classist, but the house system (which is effectively a class system based on people’s personalities/skills/traits) is apparently fine. 😛

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      • And it’s all decided based on who they are when they’re 11. At least none of the houses are meant to actually be bad, even if people in them turn that way.

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        • Exactly. I’m an almost completely different person from when I was 11.

          That’s true, but you’ll always get rivalries and bickering with house systems, it’s one of the reason most schools in Britain scrapped them decades ago. We’re still grouped semi-randomly for practical reasons (class sizes) but each group has nothing attributed to it other than maybe a year number and a letter to make the class I dentifiable. At least that’s how it was when I was in school.

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          • Yeah, but I think that’s maybe part of the point, Hogwarts keeps up certain traditions from it’s origins, houses being a pretty major part of it, and their attributes being an important part of them. Kids argue etc anyway, it does perhaps give them more reason though.
            We had houses for P.E I think, don’t think it affected much, I don’t remember though.

          • “It’s not killing people”
            *shrine in the sewer dedicated to one of the house icons in which dark magic takes place*
            *mudblood hating cult into which members of one house are inducted*

            Remind me again how it’s not killing people…

    • Oooh! Mine is a Wild Rabbit. I don’t feel like it fits me though :/ As for a Pokemon Patronus, I think Vaporeon would be mine C:

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      • Apparently Patronus are often what you wouldn’t expect. I got Dragon which actually I think suits me quite well. That, Wolf, some form of Monkey, a Tiger or some sort of Bird of Prey would also work for me. Vaporeon is a nice choice, I imagine it as a silvery white Patronus, dashing around, melting into water and reforming as it goes.

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  20. I need one of these, I don’t care if it’s a bit girly:
    https://www.etsy.com/uk/listing/224277233/mega-evolution-pokemon-glow-in-the-dark?ref=shop_home_active_28

    And one of these:
    https://www.etsy.com/uk/listing/220495346/zelda-heart-container-glow-in-the-dark?ref=shop_home_active_1

    And maybe one of these:
    https://www.etsy.com/uk/listing/223990861/peeking-cat-purple-glow-in-the-dark?ref=shop_home_active_11

    P.S. Etsy is a black hole, please do not visit unless by accident. And don’t blame me if you get stuck there.

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    • Accidentally submit before finishing. Whoops.
      ———
      His whole idea about what will happen is really farfetch’d, but exciting nonetheless. Though I think it’ll be more tame than that, I LOVE the idea of a totem battle with arceus where he summons other Legendaries. Now that’d be a good final battle!

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