Riddle me this, Zubatman
Some of you may have heard about the mysterious Chinese leaker who hasn’t actually leaked anything concrete, but instead gives clues as to what is in the upcoming Nintendo 3DS titles Pokémon Sun & Moon. They seem eerily accurate in rather unique ways. Here’s most of what they’ve gotten right so far:
- Pyroar & Zubat before the reveal of Solgaleo & Lunaala
- Pikachu covered in a sheet prior to seeing Mimikyu
- Image of rock-paper-scissors and innards (?) before Pyukumuku
- Sandcastle & shovel for Sandygast & Palossand
- A skeleton on cloth for Team Skull
There are still a few unsolved mysteries left to figure out, however. A bust of Aristotle that was posted remains a mystery; some say that Type: Null could be what the Riddler was referring to, others are not as sure. There’s also a grid of Pokémon which shows officially revealed (or, with the starter evolutions, leaked) Pokémon with some teasingly marked with question marks. It even hints that Marshadow may not even be the third legendary, it could simply be an event Pokémon.
Underneath that are also small sprites of Pokémon which may appear in the games (colored) or get an Alolan form (faded). If this is correct, and that is the meaning behind it, we could expect Alolan forms for the following Pokémon:
- Bulbasaur, Ivysaur, Venusaur
- Voltorb, Electrode
- Horsea, Seadra, Kingdra
- Staryu, Starmie
- Porygon, Porygon2, Porygon-Z
- Gen II starters
- Chinchou, Lanturn
- Larvitar, Pupitar, Tyranitar
- Spheal, Sealeo, Walrein
- Axew, Fraxure, Haxorus
- Hawlucha
Certainly would be exciting to see some for Pokémon outside of the original Red & Blue!
They’ve also posted a picture of Anabel who runs the Battle Tower in the Battle Frontier in Pokémon Emerald! Does this mean the Tower returns? Or the whole damn Frontier?! An exciting prospect for many who pined for its return in Omega Ruby & Alpha Sapphire. Junichi Masuda has claimed that its omission had been because players nowadays want faster gratification from their games and he didn’t think it would be widely appreciated.
So what is the current fuss about? It just so happens that the Riddler’s avatar is none other than Colress, a villainous researcher and Team Plasma’s second leader from Pokémon Black 2 & White 2 who sought to unlock the ultimate strength within Pokémon. Definitely Z-Move vibes from his past motivations and he even hinted that he wanted to make a device that allowed humans and Pokémon to communicate; could he have been the developer of the Rotom Dex?!
Some fans even claim that Colress was seen during the recent trailer in the Aether Foundation’s headquarters, but the evidence is tenuous at best.
They’ve also hinted that there may be multiple professors in Alola, but whether this means other professors from previous regions may make an appearance or that Prof. Kukui is not the only Alolan Pokémon professor is still up in the air.
Perhaps the most interesting information is that of the potential Alolan forms, but there’s certainly enough to speculate about for the moment! WHAT DO YOU THINK?!
<3 PJ
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If you look carefully, you can see in the grid, in the list of previous pokemons, there are more that are depicted in shadows, so there must be be more alola forms. The problem is that, that ones, are covered by some words, so we can’t see which of them are. As they are ordered, we can imagine that those pokemon must be between Tyranitar and Hariyama. It means that they must be one of the firsts pokrmons in generation 3.
Anabel has 6 letters. You know what also has 6 letters? Leader aka the Gym leaders. Elesa was a gym leader in Unova. Unova is home of the Pokemon World Tournament.
POKEMON WORLD TOURNAMENT IS COMING BACK
Woah. Hold up! Oh sheet! Let’s take a closer look
100% confirmed. Facts only.
Oh my gosh! SO HYPED! 😀
Pokémon World Tournament starts with Pokémon ! Milotic is a Pokémon ! Feebas is found around the world now. And I use milotic in tournaments !!!
Mega Alolan Milotic Confirmed ?
Sony and Apple’s events were rather good today. I just got a 6S about two-three days ago, I’m not buying that. I already have a regular PS4 and I’m not going the Slim nor Pro. Their a big waste of money in my opinion and don’t serve any purpose aside from 4K (on the Pro). I seriously need the Spider-Man PS4 and Mass Effect: Andromeda. It looks absolutely outstanding! Also, Super Mario Run looks really fun. It’s a fully Super Mario Game and it’s going to be on the App Store first, then the Google Play Store. Fire Emblem and Animal Crossing mobile was pushed to releasing before March 2017. It’s no longer releasing this fall and a 2017 release date is most likely.
im so pumped for the Iphone 7 but there is no way im buying the airpods
Why is Bulbapedia so Glitchy? 🙁
I got a virus from them once ?
0_0 Wow
Anyone following the current Ps4 pro fiasco ?
The shots are being fired by Microsoft’s Major Nelson ?
” Want a 4k streaming And gaming console ? XB1s shipping NOW ”
Hahah love a good sly dig ?
Wait, what is going on?
The ps4 pro cannot play 4k Blu Ray discs.
So major Nelson just threw a few sly digs at Sony after the conference.
ehh, big talk coming from a company that seems to be pulling out of the console market all together.
Ah they all are to be honest haha. Eventually it will come to an end just not in the way we expect. And this is coming from someone who works in the gaming industry.
Yeah, I know. But I like cutting people down when they kind of overstep themselves. Nobody knows the future exactly. But it is safe to say Microsoft is probably going to switch to being pc exclusive next gen.
I imagine next gen they will release a PC but market it as a product similar to what gamers call a “console now” but it’ll be a PC.
Sony if they do make a ps5 again will simply be a glorified PC like Microsoft’s but marketed as a console to ‘fickle’ customers. Who just think it’s a console not a PC.
Well when Microsoft can basically have it’s game be played on a PC which is an ever evolving thing without the need for them to actually make a system themselves I can’t blame them. PC’s have always been the better systems technically. It’s just that many people are used to what the typical console is.
Ehh, there’s debate for that, but that neither here nor there. Really I just meant it as someone trying to act very high and mighty when Sony destroyed them with the PS4 and that after the disappointing launch of the XB1, they were considering it being the final console, simply due to the fact that it was much better for them to make/publish games and have them put in windows then to make a box to play them that can lose many of its sales if one person says the wrong thing.
Oh I agree that Microsoft is one to talk. I think all the companies could probably do better in one way or another. Hitting a good stride can be tough tho. Also debate for what? lol
On PC’s being the better system. From a tech perspective I fully agree, they are better, but their are things that home console has over it in my opinion, but I meant it really didn’t matter for the conversation. Its mostly a thing of preference and certain games benefit more on one or the other.
Oh yeah I meant tech wise lol I agree with you about regular consoles. I think the main difference that often divides people is the ability to play on the TV and the use of a proper controller. either way I think those are easy fixes. In any case we seem to be on the same wave length lol
It can’t? That’s odd……
Are there any specific rules other than OU Rules. (Like for specific Pokemon…. Say leftovers Blissey? :D)
For the tourney
If it’s legal in OU, it’s legal in the tourney! 🙂
Thanks for clearing that up ^-^
So Marshadow is leaked to be a dolphin with a jewel on its forehead. I think Solgaleo (Psychic/Steel) and Lunaala (Psychic/Ghost) will be obtained by collecting a sundial puzzle from each Trial Leader. Marshadow, however, is not confirmed but people are starting to beleive that the leaks are true. Marshadow’s type might be Psychic and either Water or dark. If Marshadow IS NOT a LEGENDARY following the pattern BUT a Mythical it might be Water/Dark or Water/Ghost. Marshadow might be name by Marine (Found or produced by sea) and Shadow. It is also said that it might have a unique move set. I think it might have the power of the aPOKElypse lol.
That grid of pokemon makes it look like Cutiefly is a standalone but it has an evo :/
http://imgsrc.baidu.com/forum/cp%3Dtieba%2C10%2C586%3Bap%3D%BE%AB%C1%E9%B1%A6%BF%C9%C3%CE%B0%C9%2C90%2C594/sign=17b65a523ed3d539d570078753e28b31/86330f9759ee3d6d8ba7fd674b166d224e4adecc.jpg
they’ve updated the last as the old one was posted back in August, and the questionmarks are generally for pokemon we know have confirmed evos. Cutiefly’s evo wasn’t confirmed at the time.
Retake my last statement Magmars here
cool
I bet it has another evo as well.
Yeah it reminds me of Flabebe
Me too! I love the bug/fairy typing too so hopefully it’s good
The list updated. If my theory of the riddler being a trailer editor is correct, it’s possible they didn’t know about it because it was only in the japanese trailer, not the chinese one.
you have a link?
Oh, it’s just a theory i have of the riddler being a video editor for the trailers given that they only seem to leak info that’s coming up soon
Yeah I could see that. There’s only so much a single branch could know. Many of the smaller parts of the Pokemon company probably just get stuff as it comes and if it’s not relevant to them they won’t necessarily know about it unless they hear from people talking. I do like your idea that he’s a video editor and that most of the stuff he leaks is about near future concepts lol
I just learned of something awesome on Kickstarter: https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/321726829/dawn-of-the-devs
It looks rather.. bad.
Off topic, but I really hope we can catch the Ultra Beats, or that they have catchable forms. Otherwise they’re just entities like Bittercold and Dark Matter, which always irritated me. I just wanna catch ’em all. ;-;
Well if they’re not considered Pokemon there may be a reason as to why we could supposedly be unable to catch them.
I understand that, but still it bothers my collecting tendency. If there’s something I can’t obtain, it’ll bother me to no end. ;p
There might be a special section of the pokedex to record data about them, so you might still be able to ‘collect’ the data about them by encountering them.
Then don’t consider them pokemon?
Judging by their visual similarities to some of the human characters, I’m betting they’re strongly tied to those characters, if not outright part human themselves. And you can’t catch humans. That would be weird (although it’s TOTALLY normal to be able to catch Pokemon that look like humans, Pokemon that control the weather and spacetime, and Pokemon that are literally god).
i got a ?: What are the Ultra Beats are Based on?
Good question. My guess would be that their some sort of lifeforms from another universe that are powerful enough to jump between them under their own power. Like a cthulhu, or something like that. Who knows though.
Hmm so, What’s with the connection with Type: Null and UB-01?
The weirdest names…
I don’t think there’s been a confirmed or theorized connection.
Hmm so, What’s with the connection with Lillie and UB-01?
nobody knows, it was revealed yesterday
Hmm.
Just to answer any future questions, nobody knows anything about type:null, ub-01, or its connections to lillie or aether, it’s all just theories
My guess: Type: Null might have been created in order to combat an Ultra Beast that was on a world ending threat level and they quickly tried to create a pokemon that could combat it, but it might be that in creating it they’ve developed a bit of a god complex and now plan to use the UB’s as they see fit. People have brought up how the President of Aether name might have connections to Lucifer, and Aether itself is also known as the god element. Generally its safe to say something evil’s going to revolve around them.
wow interesting. 🙂
Great explanation!
I think they are experiments lol
experiments huh,Hmm.
Wonder trading today has sucked! 🙁
Can you list some of the pokemon you are looking for? Maybe I have a spare
~ Most popular theories thus far:
1. Ultra Beasts – Pokemon or ethereal beings capable and powerful enough to jump between worlds by utilizing aether/ether (credits to Lockstin / Gnogign) or experiments by the Aether Foundation.
2. Type: Null – A failed attempt at cloning the Pokemon equivalent of God: Arceus by utilizing the four elements: salt (Rowlet), sulfur (Litten), mercury (Popplio), and lead (Rockruff). According to user SSJKamui of Youtube, he writes, “Null means ‘zero’ in German and in programming languages, ‘variable not set/defined.'” He writes furthermore that he has a strange idea by saying, “… According to German mystic Master Eckhardt and the Japanese philosophers of Kyoto School, “God resides in nothingness… Nothingness is equal to God”” He proposes that the meaning behind the name of Null is due to these aforementioned reasons.
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Later. 😛
I need to clear something up: yesterday I said something about fighting Hala at lv. 30 or so. Well, I watched the JP trailer again, and I mistook lv. 15 for lv. 35. My mistake, sorry for any confusion. Altough only lv. 15 for a kahuna? I mean, crabrawler’s lv. is never shown, but I assume it’d be around popplio’s lv.
Well maybe we don’t actually battle the Trial Captains and only battle the Kahunas. Though that’s kind of weird honestly.
Then why do they have type specialties?
Well we do know we battle the Totems of their specialities. so there’s that. And maybe they’re just like the gym trainers you fight in the gym rather than the Leaders. I don’t know. This is why we need the Demo released so we can figure this out. I’m still confused how the Island Trial system works.
I don’t think they’re totems of their specialties considering there’s a normal or dark type you’ll be facing at the same place depending on the time.
Well Raticate is Dark/Normal. So I guess technically they’re both normal pokemon.
True though I think that both are available to encounter in each game, it just depends on when you play. Serebii and everywhere I’ve checked seem to think it’s just version exclusives, but I thought they said it was dependent on when you reach that point in the story.
The trial captains don’t own the totem Pokemon though. This and their type specialties make me think you can battle them.
Ay-ther or Ee-ther? Ee-ther for me.
Personally I say Ae-ther, but its peobably closer to Ay-ther.
I’ve always pronounced it Ay-ther
Ay-ther for me, it’s been a habit.
It’s ee-therr
I say ay-ther, but then, I’ve never heard it pronounced either, so I don’t know for sure.
I always thought it was Ee-ther because of Ike’s attack in Smash. xD
Pretty sure it is pronounced that way.
But then there’s really no distinction from “ether” without context. And now that I think about it, eh-ther sounds better because of words like aerodynamics and aerosol having that “ae” sounding like “eh”. Oh well; I’m not a linguist. :p
I say it as Eh Ter
Ate her?
NO THATS CANNIBALISM!
I like Ay-ther better
I always just pronounced it the same way Ike does in Smash…
I think it’s actually pronounced by the latter, but I can see why people would pronounce it the other way.
Ay-dher (Illinois)
This riddler has been the most reliable source so far. All the other ‘leakers’ were speculations/ theories based on his hints.
It will be such a disappointment if GameFreak doesn’t bother introducing anymore cross-gen evolutions anymore…
that and the chinese leaker
Is there a page where his riddles are being translated? Where is this info coming from?
Try the Bulbapedia forum thread on rumors/leaks.
my wow pep is pooped…
tmi
burning out already? That sucks.
dude i’ve probably played at least a combined 72 hours the past week
That’s impressive. I didn’t realize man. Honestly I usually think about MMO’s long term and not how many hours you put in during the first week.
In Ancient Greek mythology, Aether (Light) and his sister named Hemera (Day) were the offspring of the cosmic egg that was believed to have given birth to the universe itself. Aether also represents the classical element, “Aether” which is the material that fills the region above the terrestrial sphere and was used to explain phenomenas and provided a medium through which light could travel in a vacuum. Aether is also related to a Greek word meaning, “to burn,” “incinerate,” or “shine” or could literally translate to “people with a burnt visage.” If the level of aether or ether were to ever deplete to a morbidly low level, it was believed Earth could be affected by the heavens and gods themselves meaning a literal rip in space and time. Drinking an elixir of aether or ether was believed to rid the body of impurities or illnesses. How does this relate to Sun/Moon? I don’t know, but the research was intriguing.
Well for starters Arceus was said to hatch from an egg from the center of the universe, and has been speculated to be a reference to the cosmic egg.
And in the mythology of Aether and Hemera, it was said that time (Dialga) and space (Palkia) circled around the cosmic egg in a serpent-like motion after having given birth to the primordial gods and goddesses and the universe.
Also that point about Shine could connect to the whole guess that the president of Aether is going to be like Lucifer given one of his name meanings is the shining one.
True. Lucifer was the morning star, venus, shining one, how ever you want to describe him and as any reader of the Bible knows, even though Lucifer was considered the holiest of the holy angels, he soon fell to corruption and wanted to be better and greater than God and that is how I see Lusamine: a woman who is holy, pure, and non-corrupt but soon develops a god complex and leads the Aether Foundation into darkness.
Aristotle is probably referring/predicting the Aether Foundation as Aristotle, as the student of Plato, did a lot for integrating aether into the four element model that was popular at the time.
seriously the internet is really digging Wicke
everywhere has tons of fan art of her and Lusamine
I don’t trust her. She looks too nice.
Well we’ve never had a head evil woman before
Well there’s Madame Boss, but she hasn’t been in-game. It’d be neat if she at least got a mention.
Who is that?
She’s Giovanni’s mother, the previous head of Team Rocket. Miyamoto, Jessie’s mother, was her favourite operative. They both come from a Japanese special that to my knowledge was never released in English.
That’s really interesting. Was this a long time ago?
I checked Bulbapedia, it’s from “The Birth of Mewtwo”, the prequel special to the first movie. The Japanese version was quite a bit longer than the English one.
So yes, yes it was a long time ago :p
I like all of their designs a lot. I imagine some of this fan art is sexual though.
There is some good SFW art. Even if some are borderline… NSFW?
Yeah I bet. I’m scared to look though
Of Wicke or Lusamine? I’ve seen more NSFW stuff of Wicke in all honesty for some reason? It came on my Twitter feed. I was not searching for this at all.
I guess I was expecting more for Lusamine
I don’t like Lusamine because it gives me a, “deceitful bi*ch” vibe and I love Wicke because her name’s awesome and so is her design. I could care less about the scientist.
Lusamine looks cool. Honestly everyone is jumping to conclusions about her. She could just be nice.
Wicke is nice enough. Looks like Velma
Scientist guy is funny, he looks like a bug
She could be, but that would make for a boring story. Even if it is predictable, there’s always layers that can be added to spice things up. Plus, no story is truly original anymore. Everything is a different version of something else with new characters and backdrops and the only way to truly put an, “original” stamp is through creativity and language.
Maybe Wicke is actually the evil one and the others are innocent
Wicke has her boobs coming out of her labcoat but still in her turtleneck
Lucifer was the morning star, venus, shining one, how ever you want to describe him and as any reader of the Bible knows, even though Lucifer was considered the holiest of the holy angels, he soon fell to corruption and wanted to be better and greater than God and that is how I see Lusamine: a woman who is holy, pure, and non-corrupt but soon develops a god complex and leads the Aether Foundation into darkness. Lucifer was one of four archangels created by God, but became deceitful and prideful and was then cast down to Earth to forever be condemned by the creations of God and as a warning to all those we object God. Lucifer is also known to have created demons and although his ways are wicked, they see him as their God and father.
EDIT: he was an archangel, but he rallied other lower angels into rebelling against God to seize his throne and was known to have carried an, “intimate secret” belonging to God.
Okay Keanu take a rest
I just want to know the story!!! GameFreak better not eff this up!
Out of topic: I dont understand the bible. How can an angel become a demon if he does not have free will ? and why only humans get tested? I guess its flawed and man made just like the fainting Arceus lol although arceus is regarded as the creator of pokemon he can be caught in a free premier ball.
The archangels, the holiest of the holy angels were servants of God who oversaw the hierarchy of heaven itself and thus, had freewill as mentioned by Isaiah and other books of the Old Testament. As such, when Satan or Lucifer was casted down onto Earth, he was still able to practice free will akin to Adam and Eve who committed mortal sins. However, due to Lucifer being an angel of God, his sin amounted to a much greater scope than that of Adam and Eve.
Could you please also tell me why are humans tested while angels never were tested??
I’m open to the idea that Pokemon outside of Gen 1 will get Alola forms but I have doubts about Pokemon that already have Mega Evos getting them. Still, anything can happen.
A thought just came to me: maybe the Mega stays the same across the species regardless of whether they are original flavor or Alolan.
Source of this Riddler? I want to read the original.
New trailer. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8oO_P4GX_RA
holy crap is that a black prof. Oak? at 1:32. its on screen for half a second.
OMG I was just about to type this.
Alolan humans not good idea though.
ehh, maybe he just tan’s really well?
Oak’s brother?
did u mean that ? http://i.4cdn.org/vp/1473296733554.png
So I’m kinda wondering if flying on pokemon from the pokeride is like soar or if it’s just like fly. They haven’t shown any soaring shots, but I hope it returns :/ It’d be kind of weird if you can ride all of these different flying pokemon but you don’t even get to enjoy it.
well i am at full mast
We’re in America! That’s not allowed! D:
i am American and i’m rock hard after seeing this spectacular trailer
ya got a problem bro!?
Details no one should ever know
i speak mah mind yo
Also it seems that we might have scene the Steel z-move. It looks like its that silver tornado that’s shown towards the end. Pretty cool I guess.
any body can read Japanese here I want to know wat is Litten move it kinda have dark and ghost type move ….wat r they ?
I meant 1:41.
I hope this is game music. I love it
I always like the music in Japanese trailer more.
I feel like the English trailers are always the same three tracks.
Ur feeling is not true but nice avatar ….I like this pkmn.
Thanks! All credit goes to starstorm, she drew this for me!
:3
Looks like we’ ve a person that knows paint.. hm hm… drawing.
Yeps 😀
I know I can realize her touch.
The english trailers are always way more boring than the international ones…
thanks dad
Alolan Oak confirmed
Wow! That gave a great look at so many new areas! Also I can’t wait for the GX analysis of these trailers, it’s gonna be great!
and nice human character I mean those that looks like native American whose appeared in 0:12.
Solgaleo and Lunaala both look beautiful.
Guys, there was a leak that talked about Wishiwashi being a Totem Pokemon, maybe it’s true.
The scene with WishiWashi just….
These games look amazing
The ending of the trailer is so funny. We have glorious music, and then . . . Snorlax’s cry. xD
Oh boy, gonna go translate a bit 🙂
I eagerly await your answers.
So far, nothing interesting.. but!
1) I don’t know what “ライドギア” (Raidogia) is (and very well could be a named thing, or an english word).
2) Hau saying something like “The Ultra Beast is really hurt” with a smile.. @1:23.
Most of the dialog doesn’t end and is cut quickly.. Will continue.
3) Wow, Dr Burnet from Dream Radar might be int he game!! “バーネット” which is “Baanetto” @1:25. Matches the name in Bulbapedia: http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Professor_Burnet.
5) Tan Professor Oak is talking about their investigation of Region Forms.
6) @1:41, Litten has:
なきごえ Growl
したでなめる Lick
にらみつける Leer
ほのおのキバ Fire Fang
black prof oak
Extra crispy Oak.
Yea. We are so fighting the Trial Captains after those Ginyu Force poses!
Lol the poses are funny to me xD