Sun & Moon Speculation Pt. IX: Lillie’s Plan & Z-Move Connection

For a while now, speculation been floating around the internet concerning the character Lillie. Her bio on the game’s website calls her “mysterious” and says that she will have “an important role in the story.” Beyond that, we don’t have much more to go on. Which, of course, means that rumors and theories have been popping up everywhere. Some say that Lillie will be working with the villainous team, recently revealed as the gangstas of Team Skull. (Although, let’s face it, PMD Team Skull is OG.) Others say that she has a connection to the Kalos region. Some theories say both, or close to it.

lillie-bridgeSince Lillie’s initial character reveal several months ago, The Pokémon Company has focused more on revealing new Pokémon and characters rather than adding to what we know about already-revealed characters. This isn’t necessarily a bad thing, since it means less story spoilers coming our way, but it does mean that we’re probably not going to learn anything more about Lillie until Sun and Moon release this November. Thanks to the lack of info, most theories and speculation about Lillie’s character and her role in the story are based mostly on rumors, and maybe a little bit on wishful thinking. Which means that most of these Lillie theories come out sounding a bit… wait for it… Farfetch’d. (Yes, I went there.) So, I thought it would be fun to come up with a theory based on what we do know.

Right now, the only solid information we have on Lillie is from her bio on Pokémon Sun and Moon’s website and the gameplay clip shown at E3 2016. Her bio says that she’s an assistant to Professor Kukui “for personal reasons,” she’s a huge bookworm and she doesn’t like making Pokémon fight in battles. In the clip from E3, she seemed worried that the player’s and Hau’s Pokemon would get hurt in their battle during the village festival.

The question is, what kind of “personal reasons” are Lillie’s motivation in working for Professor Kukui? Most theories assume that this part of the bio must mean that Lillie is actually working for the Professor out of selfish motives. But how boring would it be if the innocent, anxious young girl who everyone expects to be secretly a villain actually turns out to be secretly a villain? The main series Pokémon games aren’t exactly known for their brilliant storytelling, but Gen 5 threw us a few curveballs (Pokémon GO reference not intended), and personally, I’d like the plot to be less obvious more often.

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Every Pokémon Professor so far has had a specific area of expertise, and Professor Kukui is no different. According to his bio on the Pokemon Sun and Moon website, his research focuses on Pokémon moves. It also says that he’s even willing to take hits from Pokémon moves if he thinks he can learn something from the experience. A Pokémon Professor’s area of expertise usually has to do with some new feature introduced in the new games, and with Sun and Moon introducing Z-moves, this generation looks like it’s going to be no exception. However, if Lillie’s concerned about Pokémon getting hurt by Pokémon moves, she would probably also be concerned about people getting hurt by Pokémon moves. To be fair, this isn’t completely unreasonable for her to be worried about. Pokémon can let loose some really powerful elemental energy, and the stronger the Pokémon, the greater damage it’s capable of. What if Lillie’s “personal reasons” for assisting with Professor Kukui’s research into Pokémon moves are that she’s trying to find a way to neutralize moves in order to keep people and Pokémon from getting hurt?

lillie-stairsIf a Pokémon’s moves were neutralized, then that Pokémon wouldn’t be able to battle, which would really upset the premise of the game series as a whole. And with Team Skull running around Alola wreaking havoc, things would work out pretty well for them if only their Pokémon could battle. It’s possible that Lillie might still be involved with Team Skull, either out of pure intentions or as an unwilling victim. It could be that Team Skull might trick Lillie into sharing her research with them by convincing her that they’ll help her in her quest to keep Pokémon and people safe, only to have them turn on her and use her research for their own selfish goals. However, Team Skull is so obviously bad, even for Pokémon villains, that Lillie would have to be ridiculously naive in order to fall for it. It’s more likely that Team Skull will hear about her research and steal it from her so that they can neutralize the moves of any Pokémon that dares stand against them. With the results of Lillie’s research in hand, Team Skull would be invincible – except for the only moves strong enough to break through their new defenses, Z-moves. This puts the game’s new feature into the story, with the player having to master Z-moves in order to beat Team Skull.

Or maybe I’ve completely missed the mark. We won’t know for sure until November.

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813 thoughts on “Sun & Moon Speculation Pt. IX: Lillie’s Plan & Z-Move Connection”

  1. Can these games come out already ‘_’

    On the topic of Lillie. Do you guys remember the text that can be read back in Kalos, Lumiose City train station that says something like ‘I’m going to get help ‘ I think it is indeed Lillie who wrote that note, and for what reason I don’t know but I believe she is hiding a Zygarde core/cell in her bag which may be the reason for her journey from Kalos to Alola.

    PS I’m new ! Pokejungle fan that has been too lazy to sign up.

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  2. Just gonna say it now for the tournament if any of you use a Mega Kangaskahn or Greninja sweep I’ll personally come after you!

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  3. I honestly do think that Lillie is a good character and isn’t a villain as some people seem to believe, but its possible that she has ties to a villainous person. Maybe Guzma is in fact a relative of hers, or maybe Plumeria is connected to Lillie as it would finally give the admins a lot more importance, which I don’t think we’ve seen before.

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  4. Hey, Ithsme. If you don’t want this tourney to be a crap-fest of the same Pokemon, you need to have Smogon OU rules. You may think that banning legendaries will fix the problem of no diverse teams, but you’d be wrong. Many Pokemon such as Smeargle with Moody, Mega Gengar, Aegislash, and Greninja are very unbalanced, and everyone will use them if given the chance (exactly why VGC sucks) So read the OverUsed section here: http://www.smogon.com/xyhub/tiers and I will share the OU rules on the forums

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    • I personally wouldn’t participate if we had to follow any rules other than anything goes. There are other completions to join if someone’s interested in that..
      We should use our favorites or in game team.

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      • Well GG in game team users, here comes the storm of terribly unbalanced Pokemon, and just to smite you guys, I will use them (not really)

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    • People will complain that VGC sucks, but nobody will even think about making rules to avoid the shitfest of VGC.

      Simple fact of the matter is that if something is allowed you can be damned sure people will take advantage of it…it’s how the world works.

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      • Not even lying, this might be my team. I had another team prepared, it had OU Pokemon and UU Pokemon, but they did it to themselves. I have Spore on that Smeargle, and Tailglow. Also there is no Sleep Clause, no Duplicate Clause, so yeah, gg no re

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        • Duplicate clause? you mean Species clause. Pretty sure that ones enforced in the game automatically….honestly bro use whatever you want. Last times there was a Pokejungle tournament i was using Mega Gengar, people were using Baton Pass teams, and super OP shit…
          …alls fair in love and war.

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    • You know I’m really not trying to be that guy, but instead of mindlessly criticizing and complaining about the rules(which are still in the works for the most part), how about offering some advise on how to improve things. Like what items should be banned, what pokemon should be banned, and various other rules. Simply pointing at Smogon and saying “follow those rules” really doesn’t help much since Smogon doesn’t really explain why the rules are the way they are. Yes a seasoned battler would know without question, but others might not.

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        • And I won’t argue that. Smogon rules are good for singles, which this turnney’s going to be. Honesty I agree with most of Smogon’s rules, with really the only thing I often disagree with them on is how your suppose to look at their tiering system. I try to think of it less like lower tier pokemon are worse then higher tier pokemon, and more along the lines that lower tier pokemon have less uses, but can still be very good if used properly.

          No worries though. Theirs a thread in the forums if you wanna drop some advice. I’d personally mention no dupes, sleep clause, and maybe banning certain mega’s that are simply too good in singles like Gangar. Just my first thoughts after looking into Smogon’s own rules.

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          • I think the best way to look at it is. You can still play and have fun with lower tier Pokemon if you want to, without the OP high tier Pokemon coming in the way.

            I mean you can play RU or NU and not have to worry about things like Garchomp, Landorus or Rotom. But if you want, you are also free to use the lower Tier Pokemon in the higher tiers since they are still eligible in those tiers.

            My favourite thing about Smogon is the Tier system and I often play NU or PU when i get bored of the same crap in OU.

    • I mean, you are right in that aspect. Although I’m not entirely sure we have those kinds of battlers here, though I may be wrong. Whatever decision I make will be controversial, I realize that. However, the votes for using smogon rules are currently split half and half. I need to look into it more, I’ll read the link you gave me.

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  5. alright let’s the first meeting of the Pokemon Gamers secret Club begin,before we start can somebody tell me what the secret stand for?

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  6. Alright junglers i have a request to make of you: in anticipation for breath of the wild, im replaying every zelda game starting with twilight princess! Itd be more interesting if you all chose my next game!

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  7. I’m sorry for posting this here, but I want to gather some quick opinions. When do you think sign ups for the tournament should end? Sometime tomorrow?

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    • The Tales games are fantastic ! Tales of Zestonia, Tales of Xillia 1+2 and Tales of Berseria.

      To name a few 🙂 And if u have a gamecube Tales of Symphonia 🙂

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      • I don’t have a GameCube anymore but when I did, I played the living hell out of Symphonia! Haven’t played a tales game since Vesperia though

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  8. Reading through reddit is torture! Honestly, I’ve never experienced so much blind hate and derogatory phrases in one space before! ( ‘_ ‘)

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      • Is it because of the Boar head or because they’re about to have sex? I’d wager it’s because they’re going to get dirty if they do it outside hahaha

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      • No art is inappropriate. To appreciate art you shouldn’t look at it with morals in mind because the goal of art is not to teach, but to tell a visual story.

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          • Oh, that explains why I was confused, I don’t see his posts. So why doesn’t he just remove it and we all move on? From what I’m hearing its something about mythology? If its just art work I don’t see why it would be a problem, but still why not just humour the person and remove it, saves everyone the drama

          • pretty much why i have like 5 people blocked on here lol, I prefer to live life in the positive even if I get a little mad sometimes at people and drama

          • Surprisingly sometimes he grows on me, so I don’t think I could ever block him, I feel like its a love hate relationship at this point lol

          • The one guy who liked persona a lot and like always talked about how he hated us all, and shady because he thinks I’m evil for sticking up for wallace and my fellow gays that one time, lol, good times, and a few others from like way back in the XY days. Its not that I dislike any of the people I have blocked though, we just have different views and I’d rather not see the things they post anymore

          • Ok those are valid reasons

            Like why would you talk about hating us if you stay that’s a hypocrite right there

            Wallace I like him a little but less only for his team frustrates me but him as a person I like he’s fine with me there

            And Gays I’m not at all against them I’m not gay myself but that’s something you should be rude with cause that can hurt someone… A lot other things I don’t tolerate with jokes cancer, epilepsy, and mental diseases like autism and such cause those are pretty bad things and someone makes fun of them that’s just awful!

          • I tried blocking some people, but I couldn’t stand not being able to see everything since I’m an observer. :p

          • yeah, I tried that but there were a few people that just kept angering me with like every second thing they posted being insensitive or offensive so I blocked em, granted I think a few of them back in the day got banned from the site completely, I think there are only two that still come on here regularly but I wouldn’t know because all I see it the “this person is blocked” thing

      • All mythology based on sex in some but sex in these days r different from ours day …..it didn’t mean dirty but fertility and spirituality and more.

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    • The second picture should be promptly removed because from what I learned of Kamapuaʻa and Pele, Kamapuaʻa did not have consent, which is probably why she looks so horrified in that picture. So basically you just posted a picture of a rape on PJ, don’t know if you knew that or not but you should probably take down the second picture.

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      • Wat the f***ck r u talking about ….now every body just focus in the sex issue and no body cares wat mythology say …..Y humanzzz attentive in sex in this way …raise up humanzzzz.

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        • Rape is not sex and should not be featured on a website with children, nor should sex. I was merely telling you its not an appropriate topic nor picture for a website with children why are you being rude?

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          • It is, I learned all about the story of Kamapuaʻa and Pele in my academics and it stated several times that he tried and succeeded to rape her. Why are you defending it? did you not learn the whole story? also you are still being quite rude. If this is how people on this site are, I will not be coming back.

          • There I made an account, are you happy now? I don’t understand what your problem is, and this will be my first and last comment on here since you were rude to me

          • um, because I have better things to do with my time.

            nice try? I’m not sure I follow… also I did not pick the rowlet avatar, that is just the avatar that the site gives you when you don’t have an account, I seriously do not understand why you are being so mean

          • Someone should repost this picture so I can see it lol, I’m curious to know what all the issues seem to be

          • I mean, it doesn’t look THAT bad, but I can see why someone might get upset, but I see no reason to remove it. Why doesn’t he just do the things people do when they are posting spoilers with the dots down the side so its still there but you have to expand to see it? Like couldnt we all get along that way, its really not that hard

          • I agree that sex should not be presented where children may see it, but the painting does not depict sex. An intellectual can clearly see that it’s likely a seductive gesture being shown, but a child isn’t likely to make that connection, and if they are, then they’re likely mature enough to handle it or ignore it.

          • And I mean have you heard most of us are in teens or adults I’m 15 so we’re not children per say.

          • Most commenters, yes, but there may be children who read the comments without ever posting. I know I did that a lot when I was younger. I understand the Anon is looking out for them, but I don’t think that painting is necessarily a bad thing. If it had shown the rape or more nudity, I’d say differently, but the image posted is fine in my opinion.

        • I understand that its a part of mythology, I took classics in school and learned a lot of horrible stories, but its still not something that should be on a website with children

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          • Actually I know a lot about mythology as it was my major for 2 years in university, but I accept that you are just a rude person who does not respect others so thats fine. Bye.

          • the main subject of this drawing is related to rape at all ….if u call ur self a mythology reader …..y u didn’t know there always a symbol behind the scene ???

      • The image itself is not inappropriate. Sure it contains some nudity, but hey, everyone has a body, so it’s nothing to get worked up about. As for the rape, you interpreted that as the purpose of the painting, but that is not the only aspect to consider. To truly appreciate the artistry you have to consider it as a whole, not a compilation of parts.

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  9. What do you all think I need on a tournament finalization post? I want to put all the info that people need on one post because a) If people only look at the top post, I want them to get all the information and b) I’m making a new thread so I want to get it right. So I know I need:
    – Battle rules and restrictions
    – Tournament time
    – sign-up ending time
    What else?

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    • I think for sign up ending this weekend so you have time to make pairings

      Tournament time no clue

      And rules
      Single format
      Legendaries not allowed
      Are transferred Pokemon available?
      What ever else…

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    • My style is to build the second team member off the first, then the third off of the second, and so on. I’m not sure how it compares to your style though.

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    • I made a monkey team once, it literally consisted of the elemental monkeys, primate, aipom and slakoth. I made it as a troll team but I actually grew to love it, it wasn’t even half bad lol

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    • I tried that before and I love it, and it works very well in two ways:
      1. Putting in counters to counters that threaten the “main”, then putting in counters to the secondary, etc.
      2. Making it so the “main” Pokemon is what will win the game.

      Though I’ve since shifted to focus on “cores” of 2-3 Pokemon that I build things around.

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  10. When you see Chansey on the Nearby thing and you’re going to guitar class, then you don’t say anything when you could say “Dad, there’s a really rare Pokemon there. It’ll just take a few seconds”. Then you go to Guitar Class and before getting out of the car you say “There was a really rare Pokemon back there” and he says “You shoulda told me, I would’ve taken you there” 🙁

    Excusez mon français, but F**k my life o_o

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