Reports have come in of Twitter users being blocked by Ken Sugimori, the art director of the Pokémon franchise, for inquiring about or sending pictures of the previously covered starter evolutions. Although there is absolutely no confirmation that these starter evolutions have any legitimacy, it is interesting that he’d go so far as to block people if they were fake or fan creations. I’d also like to take a moment to ask you not to tweet at him because doing so is going to have no positive outcome for you or our community.
What do you think? Is this another clue pointing that they’re legit? Thanks for the tip Zeroken! Remember you can contact us any time if you see news!
<3 PJ
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If real, Rowlets evo would be the best design since Serperior. Littens, as I’ve stated many times before, is hideous and really unimaginative when compared to past fire starters. Popplios is…alright. I don’t like popplio as it is now so this doesn’t really change my opinion on it that much.
The only thing I hate about those designs is kittens evos hands. They’re huge and out of place from the rest of his body
Well…you know what they say about big hands
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BIG D*K
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I thought I was the only one who peeped! Littens entire final Eco is so disproportionate
If these are real I’m choosing Popplio. I’m not so superficial that I have to have a masculine/neutral starter. I merely appreciate the lore and LOVE the design they matched with it.
Exactly! Why is it so bad with a more feminine starter?
Because of a 88% male ratio
males can be feminine
……nope too easy
say what you’re gunna say
Gay
gay =/= feminine dude, why don’t you come back when you’ve caught up to this century
But that doesn’t automatically make you gay. Masculinity and femininity are social constructs. Some people can see past that and just like what they want
True but half the time the feminine ones often are
And so what?
and? theres nothing wrong with being gay, honestly on average gay males are stronger than straight ones because of how much more shit they have to deal with in life, so I guess that means Popplio is gunna be a bad ass mf then eh 😉
Look I’m not trying to start something, some gays either are overly feminine or they ain’t
Tolerance and stereotypes often clash hard
Some gays either are overly feminie or they ain’t? So by that logic you probably believe that all women are either virgins or whores. You probably believe that all Asians are either computer nerds or karate masters, and all blacks are either sports players or rappers. Earthen, HONEY, stick to playing Pokemon and keep your thoughts to yourself the next time you want to discuss something I’m sure you have no personal experience with. Several seats for you please. Goodbye.
Well, I wouldn’t interpret it too harshly, it’s more like saying that traffic lights are either red, yellow or green.
Well then you dragged the other half into your generalization 😉
I just calls them how I sees em
But there’s a higher ratio of feminine gays than feminine straights. I’m gay and I don’t like girly traits on a guy. I mean, if I choose a popplio I’ll just get a female one
ugh, you’re the problem with the gay community then, we already deal with homophobia, we don’t need to be homophobic to our fellow gays as well, be kind to our feminine gays, they pretty much paved the way for us in terms of rights movement
I don’t treat them differently, I just don’t find them sexy, that’s all. Overly masculine guys are not sexy either.
fair enough, I apologize then, so often when someone says they don’t like feminine guys in the community they often bash them and say they give us a bad name, and that just doesn’t fly with me
I have very feminine friends with whom I use “gay internet lingo” and watch drag queen shows (sometimes haha) but I just can’t get attracted to a “girly” guy. I come from a country with a very strong macho culture so I guess that might explain why I’m not attracted to them. I’d never bash anyone though, I know how it feels to be a victim of homophobia.
idk, I wish I got to choose who I fall for but its usually just my heart saying “oh look, pretty, now you’re going to not be able to stop thinking about them until you die in a pool of your own tears and heartbreak” but I guess the guys I fall for are usually seen as more feminine, but whatever 😛
I don’t think an argument on romantic attraction and social justice really belongs here. Believe me, I’m all for social justice, but as a great man once said, “There’s a time and place for everything, but not now!”
I think it stopped being an argument a few comments ago, or at least on my part, idk about Leo but I think we’re both on the same page now
Alright, then. I hate to mini-mod, but this wasn’t the place for that subject; I guess I jumped in too late though. :p Glad everything’s worked out.
Prof. Oak?
Haha, I don’t choose either but they’re most of the time “masculine but not too much”. I’m fairly shy and I hate to call attention to myself. I haven’t fallen for anyone in ages though and I don’t expect to any time soon. “Heaven is a place on earth with you, tell me all the things you wanna do. I heard that you like the bad girls honey, is that true? It’s better than I ever even knew, they say that the world was built for two. Only worth living if somebody is loving you, and baby now you do” (my love goals haha)
Lana <3
He didn’t say that gem guys were bad. He said they don’t fit his preferences. Witch is perfectly fine and politically correct.
thanks captain obvious, this has already been cleared up
Well yeah there’s a correlation. And I’m not a social psychologist or anything like that, but I’d probably attribute it to how each sex is typically raised in society, although I really have no idea
people love to throw that “Social constructs” line around when talking about gender and sex, but it’s only partially true.
Well yes, that’s certainly true. I was mainly referring to what peoples ideas of girly/manly or whatever are.
So mature, this guy
They need to fix that. It’s pointless.
That’s what they said last gen, and look where we are now
We need to write a letter
Dear Gamefreak
I want dis, make it happen
[Meanwhile in Gamefreak HQ]
*A slot saying fan suggestions*
*opens up to a incinerator*
T-T
(refresh)
They could easily change the ratio
And did they?
We don’t know
There are PLENTY of feminine MALE’s in the animal kingdom.
As I said on another article, just look at 90% of the male’s of the animal species, all the males look all impressive, and have beautiful colors, while the females are all drab, and boring in their appearance. LOL
You are my favourite person right now XD lol I love Popplio’s final too, its beautiful, but the shade in your comment just made my week
I’m glad someone caught on to the shade. 😉
LOL I’m getting all three, and doing the whole “Robin Hood” theme with there nicknames. 😀 (I can not resist. XD)
me too 🙂 all i see when i look at them is robin hood theme 🙂
Nobody ever said starters have to be masculine or neutral. Frankly the fact it looked feminine had never crossed my mind. It’s not the first ever feminine starter though. Delphox looks feminine, Blaziken looks feminine. Heck, I dare say Meganium looks somewhat feminine.
Granted none of the water starters do though.
Ultimately it depends on how you squint though. If I squint hard enough Feraligatr looks feminine.
If they are legit, it’ll be one of the few times I think a water starter looks reasonable. I’ve only ever chosen a water starter once and I regretted it. It’ll also be the only time I think the fire starter looks bad. I can appreciate wanting another wrestling themed pokemon (as much as I dislike wrestling) but did they have to corrupt the cat starter? I’ve been waiting eons for a cat starter ; n ;
I kinda feel the Rowlet one doesn’t resemble an owl all that much. It looks more like a falcon or a hawk, especially when you look at the unhooded part.
Ive thought that before as well
Kinda disappointing I guess..even though I like the design
Stilt-owl
https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/06/76/9f/06769fdfced98ea047ffa3e30b001cf6.jpg
Hm. That’s interesting
That pretty much confirms it at this point. They’re real. He’s angry that his designs or rather, the concept art of designs that other staff turned into him, got leaked. So, therefore, he blocks you. But what about the Chinese leaker? Something in my gut just tells me was like the Gematsu leaker type. Got a few things right then mixed the rest of the info with lies.
Or it could be that with so many people sending those his way, he’s started to get tired of seeing these fake leaks, and so he’s blocked them. It could still go either way- real or fake.
Its kind of funny, but I JUST now noticed something on Poppleo’s evolutions ref page.
It looks like words are being formed out of water in the one area, so is this perhaps going to be something that it does in its character animation, or is it going to be part of one of its attacks, LOL or am I just overthinking it. XD But yeah that was something cool that I noticed, and think that it would be awesome if that is what it really turned out to be. Because I now 100% fully believe that these guys are real, and I’m O.K with that, because I really like them, it took me a while with Littens final, but my dislike for it has turned into, tolerable liking. 😀
I am honestly no longer phased by this kind of news :T I think there is barely a shadow of a doubt that these are real. I guess I’m glad they leaked so early so I have plenty of time to get acclimated to them.
Fuck they’re probably really real now. Looks like I won’t be using a starter this generation yet again. Maybe I’ll be a female player in Sun and I’ll let her use the mermaid poplio. As for myself though, I will never get behind ANOTHER fire/fighting type and I definitely can’t get behind that awful uncharismatic rowlett evo. The bloody thing has no face. All I wanted was a large, bad ass, grass/flying horned owl and they give us some weird bird in a treyvon Martin hoodie with fucking finger wings that it uses to shoot arrows like fucking Robin Hood. We will have to see the second stages for true confirmation, but unlike all other tumors and leaks, this one just won’t go away and when that happens it must be real. I’m preparing myself for the extreme disappointment.
Rowlett and litten had so much potential! Whyyy!!! :'(
No clue, what you even expected or wanted.
tl;dr?
He said he wanted more of a horned owl for Rowlet at least.
Isn’t that just Noctowl?
LOL Yes, yes it is. He’s clearly one of those people who wants a certain type of design, and then when they get it, then they will complain that Nintendo is running out of idea’s because there reusing there designs. 🙂
We have multiple similar cats, why not similar owls? <3
Heh heh heh.
Though yeah, Stilt-owl, was it supposed to be?
Stilt-owls are extinct owls that actually used to live in Hawaii. If you even heard of the prehistoric/exitct animal theme for grass starters theory, this matches just fine.
Geckos and turtles still exist, though? Even those the purported size of Torterra.
And how about our Gen 6 chestnut?
Sceptile is more than like based off a raptor, Torterra a Meiolania/Ankylosaurus, Chesnaught a glyptodon and so forth.
I don’t really dig the Ankylosaurus theory, it’s missing the tail with the mace/spikes thing…
The others are plausible though.
Then we’ll go with the meiolania, sin that mostly resembles it anyway.
True, I must’ve read over the M-thing because Ankylosaurus was more familiar.
Though as with Sceptile I could just say it’s based on the more popular and existing animal, heh heh heh.
Back to Sceptile, it doesn’t seem to have a raptor’s posture, though? In terms of that it seems closer to a… I dunno, meerkat, even?
Well pokemon aren’t always completely accurate to their animal counterparts.
Oh yeah cause they’ve never created more than one of the same kind of Pokemon. Next.
Google some fan art and then we can talk.
Once again, do a simple google search of some fan-made designs for the the final starter evolutions for poplio, litten, and rowlett and then we can have this discussion. I understand it’s easy to think that these leaked evolutions are great when you’ve never seen anything better to compare it to 🙂
You don’t think I’ve ever seen fan art for their evos before? Frankly this is best one I’ve seen. Way more creative than the other fanarts.
Yes, absolutely, most of them are just bigger versions of themselves or, in rowlet’s case, became a giant griffin that looks more like a freaking legendary.
I’ll be honest, I’ve seen a lot of fake evolutions of these guys and they’ve been okay but for the most part pretty boring and uninspired as a whole, especially for Litten.
Uh you must be blind, because Rowlets evo DOES have a face, and its design is totally awesome, and its doing the “Robin Hood thing” in case you cant see that. And I believe that Littens Final evo is NOT going to be Fire/Fighting, it is going to be Fire/DARK. And for your 4’11 they still DO have so much potential. 😛 Just because YOU don’t like them doesn’t mean that they are bad or disappointing designs. They are amazing designs. 🙂
Maybe you should do a simple google search of some fan-created final evolutions. Because some of the designs people came up with were IMPECABLE compared to the ones we are discussing here. Afterward, you can have several seats 🙂
I have found many of them, and I’m sorry but these ones are FAR better than a LOT of the ones that I have found.
Well the World Tournament was another disappointment
Nothing but the same stuff over and over and over
I wish more people would try new creative stuff to win tounaments. There are tons of people with outside box strategies. Maybe we’ll be surprised with the world tournaments, like the dude with the Pachirisu did.
This year’s VGC is kind of the worst format for creativity, though. There’s only so many ways to build a team when you both have 2 ubers AND have to deal with Dark Void.
2014 was great for creativity because of the good amount of Pokemon available, plus the only legends that were allowed were the gen 1 birds.
Probably he got annoyed because they were tweeting it at him and not just about the leak in general.
I love your name and your Avi XD
Thank yu
He should have just said they’re not real in a big post instead of just ignoring them and blocking them, cause that really doesn’t help his case.
Unless he’s toying with us.
I did see on a forum that apparently the confidential stamp used on these guys actually matches the one used in the sheets we saw in the Sun and Moon reveal trailer. Easy to fake, for sure. But its an interesting detail that I can’t imagine most people would even think of, especially when the confidential stamp from that Noivern sheet is probably easier to use and more believable to most people who wouldn’t have noticed the stamps in the trailer.
No basis for this, but what if this is a giant red herring? Like Gamefreak knew fans were getting better at finding leaks, so to throw us off their scent, they picked the most legit fanart and started censoring it. Now we’re so distracted by this fanart that we turned away from the real evo’s… Or it could be the real evolutions, who knows? =P
But the artist would’ve found by now, and I’m not if they are allowed to take people’s art like that.
True, that is the thing I thought about when I proposed my conspiracy theory, but since Ive already called it a “conspiracy theory”, I’ll take it a step farther. THEY PAID THE ARTIST FOR THEIR SILENCE! 8D
Alright, that is a bit too much.
Chillax, my original theory was just a fun little thought anyway =p
I think you give game freak too much credit tbh. I don’t think they would really care enough to set up red herrings and things.
Idk, Gamefreak has seemed like theyve gotten pretty aggressive with keeping things under wraps and surprising gamers lately. I don’t even really think my theory could hold water, I’m just saying I wouldnt personally be surprised.
I doodled a picture:
Who’s the human, I might ask?
It’s me.
I notice people who hates these mention hate for gen 5 starters. Well, my top 3 Final Starter Evolutions would be:
1. Entermaid (Popp3)
2. Serperior
3. Samurott
People just like to hate on everything, especially leaked pokemon. I remember distinctly everyone HATED the leaked and obviously “fake” Greninja. Except when it turned out to be real everyone love it. If these are real, boycotting the starters just makes you seem like a petty hater. Robbinhoot and Entermaid are stunning designs.
And, why the fuck can’t we have a feminine final starter? Get over your weird misogyny and irrational queer phobia (that’s girly and therefore gay logic) that motivates your dislike.
I really hope that its name isn’t “Entermaid.” I do NOT want to see the NSFW fan art for that. Also, I think it’s fair to dislike leaked pokemon. Gen 5 and 6 starters have had polarizing designs among the poke community, whether they were leaked or not.
I’d say that it depends on the tone and style these people addressed it to Ken. I guarantee that they heavily ridiculed the designs; especially Litten’s. Not going to lie, I’ve gotten rather used to these designs. I’m still not a gigantic fan of Tony the Tiger, but I’ll eventually completely warm up to it.
Anyways, some more positive news; Pokemon Sun/Moon is the most pre-ordered Pokemon Game in Italy. This is heavily thanks to the popularity of Pokemon GO and what it has done to the franchise. 3DS hardware sales are up by 59% and 33%. Sales have drastically increased for these games (excluding the Mystery Dungeon Title):
Omega Ruby – 69%
Alpha Sapphire – 71%
X – 52%
Y – 89%
Super Mystery Dungeon – 8%
Really? I figured most people dislike little miss mermaid over there.. and Tony the tigers typing he most.
If this were real, it’s not, I’d go from litten to Rowlett in a heart beat
It’s really not that bad. It’s not like we haven’t had feminine pokemon before. And for Litten’s typing it still has chances to be fire/dark. Don’t let the muscles scare you.
I have 17 dollars left on my eshop balance, what games do you guys suggest I get? I already got pokemon yellow, shovel knight and a pokebank pass.
Without knowing your preferences, here are some suggestions:
Expensive:
Bravely Second
Hyrule Warriors (N3DS for better performance)
Legend of Zelda: A Link Between Worlds
Fire Emblem Fates (start with Birthright)
Cheaper:
Megaman 3-4
Streets of Rage 2 3D
Zelda 2: The Adventure of Link (I know many people will hate it but I loved it so I will shill it until the end of time)
The Binding of Isaac (N3DS for better performance)
I second A link Between Worlds.
Popplio looks the most male out of the group. . . This can’t be real. Or it was a Really bad decision. Gonna have to start creating gender specific evolutions for the starters. As in 2 per poke
There are “male” specific features on many starter evolutions…so they already do make gender specific designs.
Well I’m not trying to defend these leaked starter designs, but the Litten one is what could be considered very “masculine” so I don’t see the problem with having a very “feminine” one too. The Rowlet one is pretty neutral.
It’s similar to the masculine Chesnaught line/ feminine Delphox line / neutral(androgenous) Greninja line.
My problem is popplio doesn’t look feminine at all to me… And it’s final evo, to me, looks overwhelmingly girly without a purpose. At least Delphox looks battle rdy.. I love braxien and fennekin, it’s feminine from the start. But this right here is illogical and useless looking to me. That’s my problem with it
Well let’s wait to see a second evo first. Plus these could still be fake so waiting for the middle forms serves us a dual purpose
What I’m saying doesn’t depend on the middle evolution though. I like things like this to be clear from the start personally. I even considered putting evolite on Braixen.. But u know.. Talonflame. This thing is gender swapping. Kitten looks more feminine to me
It does though, the middle stage would be, if these are real, where popleo would go from androgynous to slightly feminine and then from that into the very feminine popleo3. What is hard to understand about this?
If you don’t understand my comment or like it. .. it’s perfectly mature and understandable to say Nothing. Instead of being Annoying. Not everyone will agree with you.
Oh my god, if you want to talk about mature why don’t YOU act mature?! I have the right to respond to your comment and me responding to it is in no way immature! It is immature of you, if anything, to call me ANNOYING for debating you! I don’t need everyone to agree with me but that doesn’t mean that I can’t express my opinion! GOD!
Yes you are Very Immature. I keep reading your comments with you Attacking people who say something you disagree with. There is a way to comment and debate without coming off Whiny and over opinionated as if everything you say is undoubtedly correct. If you come under my comment section expect to get More of My views and respect that. You came to Me.
Also using Gods name in vain is not wise as well… It can be offensive to others
I think everyone here should calm down.
And you aren’t being whiny and immature?! Dude if anyone is doing any attacking it’s you. And I’m sorry I used gods name in vain but you being very frustrating right now and I am not cursing or being derogatory so whatever.
I always just say Arceus instead. It’s more fun, at least here.
No.. I am not. I’m staying my point and clarifying. You have more learning to do.
Ok, I refuse to argue with you anymore. This is just turning into pointless squabbling. I am tired of this stuff. It makes me feel very unwelcome here when every time I disagree with something everyone acts like I am personally attacking them.
Lol.. every time? It’s time to take a look at yourself personally and see why others are so offended if this happens so often. It’s because you lack tact
I’m pretty sure that if I am offended by your opinion that feminine starters don’t belong in Pokemon, I am allowed to express that emotion. Don’t get procrustean about tact because that is hypocritical of you, because you have been very rude to me this whole time.
It’d only be gender swapping if Popplio looked “masculine”, which it doesn’t at all. It just looks like a dumb little seal trying to have a good time with some bubbles. Nothing about it suggests a gender. People here just have an idea that a seal needs to turn out big and fat and bulky. But look at seel into Dewgong. Seel isn’t feminine but dewgong is somewhat.
It Definitely looks Masculine… To Me. And many others who disagree with the design. You people gotta Read and understand Opinions. Which is why I’ve been sure to make this clear when I comment
Looks like a little boy to me
I’m just not sure what makes it masculine in your eyes. It has a frilly collar and a big pink nose. Also likes to blow bubbles and do acrobatics.
All characteristics of a Clown which are majority Male. . .
But it’s a performer which isn’t feminine at all not masculine.
I’d say most people who perform are females though. Just because it doesn’t have eyelashes to denote a gender doesn’t make it masculine.
That’s pushing it.. it’s based off of a Clown.
Well really that’s speculative at this point.
No. . . It’s base stage is Clearly a Clown. That much we Know
I think all that we can definitively say is that it draws from performing seals, circus related or not.
Just putting this out there, you can be a female clown. There’s nothing out there that says clowns can be male.
🙂
Yes, good input
This is getting too heated, I’d think it’d be best for both sides to just calm down and move on from it. Just agree to disagree, you know?
I never said you couldn’t.. he was just using the same attributes that base it off of a Clown.. to say it was feminine.
Which didn’t add up.
I said it was more neutral than anything, and more feminine than masculine if you really NEED to assign a gender to it.
Ok well not in that one comment where it’s frills and nose came up
Well that would be the part where I just mentioned assigning a feminine look at it. I was merely providing a counter to your argument, and I think I did that to the same success that you did. Point: clowns/performers/whatever are both genders, therefore popplio isn’t masc or fem. You can think whatever you want though
Right, cause it can be both, though.
At this point, I think it’s best for both of you to agree to disagree. I’m all for discussion, but I know when to stop before it explodes, as it has here. Not blaming you, not blaming the other person, I’m just saying.
Plus it’s snout is a dunce cap .. another clown item
Is it? It just looks like a stylized seal nose to me :/
Yes while being a performer isn’t necessarily masculine either, what are you saying?
I corrected this a second after posting it
As stated above, poplio looks like a little boy. If it does somehow transform into this highly feminine mermaid creature, I will be truest amazed and also a little happy that game freak have created the first transgender Pokemon.
Interesting take on it lol
Pretty much!
Are people really still having this debate? Why the heck can’t we have a freaking feminine starter?! We already have feminine starters! Meganium is feminine, is it fake?! Braixson is feminine out the wazoo, is it fake? I don’t think the fact that a starter is feminine really proves or disproves ANYTHING!
Read Below.
I feel like people are overreacting about this.
Definitely.
I feel like it’s only considerd “overreacting” when someone dislikes something possibly from GF… Otherwise everything is A ok and dandy..
Look, I haven’t been all day, but this is a POKEMON WEBSITE. As soon as it turns into otherwise, it is too much. We’re not here to argue, we are here to discuss Pokemon. So let’s do just that please.
That’s exactly what we are discussing. .. I agree. But it’s about how we discuss it that and the topics that frequently turn into arguments which are the problems
I’m sorry, I misunderstood your comment.
Guys help me decide what to do with the rest of my day off.
-Play White 2
-Go to Jungle Jims (International supermarket near where I live, my mom asked me to go)
-Start season 2 of Jane the Virgin
-Start season 6 of GoT
-Play Rise of the Tomb Raider
-Other? I could probably think of more things
Well, obviously, do the supermarket since your mom said so. 🙂
Then after that, I’d go with Game of Thrones.
Probably a solid plan. There are a bunch of pokestops there…
Neat! And maybe if you have attention deficit like I do, play White 2 while watching GoT. (Obviously not possible with Tomb Raider.)
I can sort of multitask like that..depends though. Sometimes I’ll get too engrossed in the video game though and have to rewatch a minute of the show xP
Well it’s a turn based game though… at worst a minor distraction, I guess. I’d get into a wild or trainer encounter (or better yet, the Battle Whatever) and autopilot the attacks…
I guess I’m an extreme example, I can doodle pictures and still get what they’re trying to say in a meeting or seminar…
I wish I was better at multitasking..I feel like it’d help with learning piano, which I’m doing right now and having trouble wrapping my head around dual hand movements like that
Nah don’t worry. That’s as far as my multitasking goes, as long as one activity is non-interactive it works.
I kinda know how you feel, though I did drums instead of piano, and it’s trying to “separate” my foot from my arms.
It’s definitely going to take a lot of practice. But I’m determined 🙂
*insert DETERMINATION joke here* 🙂
Knowing the mouse might one day extract the cheese from the mystical crystal… It fills you with determination.
Two thoughts:
1. I still don’t believe theyre real. Not because I dislike them, but because it seems weird Gamefreak would actively censor them. I mean, we live in the information age, word of that would spread around (like it has) and confirm it’s real. Plus, having a starter evo with no legs limits what they can do with it in the anime. However, if they are real,
2. Love Rowlett’s evo, reminds me of a medieval spy x3, Litten’s evo grew on me but still annoys me because… Gamefreak, why do you hate the possibilities of having a quadrupedal fire starter? First Emboar, then Delphox, now Litten? Cmon… Finally, HATED Popplio’s at first, now it grew on me. My only qualm is that there’s a pic of it standing on its tailfin which is (in my opinion) awkward-looking and dumb, I can see it being one of its battle animation and it bugs me.
Thoughts?
Better than Gen 6, equal to Gen 5 and 2. Not as good as Gen 4, 3, or 1.
Oh fun game. Let’s see… For me, better than 5 and 2, equal to 6, not as good as 4, 3, or 1. So pretty close xD
Better than 6, 5, equal to 2 and 3, not as good as 1 or 4
I actually thought of a mermaid fighting game character and it seems to work! Well that aside, I bet Popplio3 would do the standing thing for status moves. Popplio”1″ already does it as an idle animation.
Also almost all (fire) starters are bipedal; and even Cyndaquil have bipedal tendencies… heh heh heh.
Oh do you do game design? A fighting mermaid seems like a cool idea =D And for Popplio “1”, it makes sense, it’s a seal and they do that for performances, for a mermaid… Idk, steals the majesty for me lol.
And for the others, made sense to me: Dragon, ape, fire chicken, whatever Typhlosion is. But for Emboar, could have been a badass warthog, for Delphox, couldve been like a mystic kyubii, similar to Ninetails (Ok after saying that I can see it), and Litten could be more feral.
Well I don’t actually design games, but I can dream up characters anytime I want.
I’m just not as good at making fakemon than fighting game characters.
Ummm did you NOT pay attention to Poppleo’s battle animation? He clearly stands on his silly little tail at one points and poses, so I don’t see why its final couldn’t do the same dang thing. LOL
I refer you to one of my replies:
“for Popplio “1”, it makes sense, it’s a seal and they do that for
performances, for a mermaid… Idk, steals the majesty for me lol.”
I think the entire pokemon community needs to step back and take a look at itself, me included. I just dislike what happens every time someone dislikes anything that has a glimpse of being real in the pokemon community.
People are too willing to fight to the death over a children game. This should be one of the few places where varying opinions are welcomed in the world.
No need to be obnoxious to those who don’t see things exactly as you do, but it’s ok to discuss.
I feel we often start off very opinionated as if everything we say is factual, but it’s about how you behave After you’ve been corrected and reminded that we all have opinions, that matters he most
I think the real problem here is that if Popplio’s final looked overwhelmingly masculine no one would be complaining, so I think its time to address the overwhelmingly sexist opinions of the community and try to grow as people and not go crazy over a pokemons design…
Saying there should be no feminine starter is petty and sexist when we have masculine ones. Why do you want to exclude one of them, but no the other? Don’t act so righteous when your dislike is based on those attitudes.
Wth. . . You Clearly did not read.
I Love Fennekin and Braixen. I said I dislike how Popplio may turn into a gender he doesn’t represent in my eyes at all from the start and has no battle readiness to me! It’s excessive to me with no cause. It looks like it’s Only meant for a stage. To Me. Understood?
If you’re going to judge read more than the opening next time.
How is popplio masculine? lmao
its not in the slightest bit masculine, its a freaking little seal
I know, right? It’s a cute silly seal pup with a frilly collar that sparkles when it poses…so manly.
It’s up to personal perception. Leave it at that.
Personal perception is based on perceiving objects. Describe why that object in your opinion is masculine or gtfo. Why share a view, but then not explain and continue to argue as though its matter of fact.
Tylotic.. I say it’s time for you to gtfo. I have explained multiple times below. Prove you have the skills to search for your wanted answers before commenting or expect anger
Oh my goodness, that’s a horrible thing to say to someone! And you called ME tactless. Everyone should be allowed to feel welcome here, don’t be so rude to those who don’t agree with you.
Ses… Stop running around like some hurt kid looking for support. I simply said the same thing back to them.. plus in sure me n this commenter have moved past it. Quit sturring the pot
Ok, I’m falling into the same trap that I’m trying to prevent, so I’m going to leave it at this. Literally stop trying to impose your views on others. I said it is PERCEPTION. Rece may perceive it as male, but you may perceive it as otherwise. But there is no reason to get mad either way. The fact that Rece sees it one way doesn’t effect you either way, so stop and give it a rest.
I get the argument now.
Clown = maculine is the argument.
A pretty indefensible one.
EXACTLY! Thank you. This is what I meant.. there is a gang mentality when people disagree here. They don’t Really want you to explain your side.. because things would quite down after we explain. They secretly just want you to Agree or Attack you all at once as a Horde!
It’s peaceful here until something controversial happens, and then God forbid anyone have an opinion about anything.
The majority here don’t see it that way though.
Not to be hypocritical.. I’m sure we’ve all been on the wrong side of a pointless argument here and offline before
Too many times. xD
I relate it to a Clown.. clown frills.. clown nose.. clown hat nose… Which are majority Male.. though could be either. I say this to say it’s feminine also would not add up
Clown=male? That does not add up.
Clown=female? That doe not add up. If you’re going to use those same items to say how unmasculine it may be.. I have the right to say how it could be. Childish!!!
Harley Quinn.
I’m pretty sure what they are saying is CLOWN= BOTH MALE AND FEMALE
I never claim clown = feminine.
Clownishness is not attributed to gender.
Sorry but I have seen many, MANY female clowns. And I have seen a HORRENDOUS amount of feminine looking MALE clown designs. 😛
This is why I tell people to grow up. Not everyone agrees with u
Well you could stand to grow up as well, my goodness!
Kk
smh, you know what, this isn’t worth it… You go ahead and hate it for having feminine qualities all you want, but if you seriously cant see whats wrong with that, then thats a little sad. you said earlier “its feminine for no reason” why does it need a reason? sure you see popplio as masculine in its first stage (don’t know why but ok) but why does its third stage have to reflect that for you? Thats the whole point of pokemon evoluntion, changing and growing. Thats all I am going to say. Peace.
It has Nothing to do with it brig feminine.. it’s the change in my mind from start to Finnish and it a execution! Read People!
I read all your comments several times so as not to say something that wasn’t true, they all came off as you not liking it simply because of its feminine qualities so don’t get like that with me. I’m not arguing with you anymore because I feel that you don’t understand why people got upset with you, its not because you think Popplio is masculine, its because you cant except its final being feminine, thats why people got upset, it came off as a sexist view (even if you said you like braixen and the like it doesn’t change that) It may not have been your intention but thats how it was perceived
Exactly.. it’s because I think popplio is Masculine.. going Against what They Think.. though I’ve been Sure to state its Only My opinion. Which I am allowed to have. You all don’t want me to explain why I think the way I do.. because I have.. you just want me to agree. That’s not a good mentality for conversation or debate.. that’s where argument ensue
It’s not because you think Popplio is Masculine that I have a problem, it is the reason you provide. It’s sexist to say clowns are masculine, and not feminine.
idk if thats sexist more just ignorant
It’s also very ignorant to ignore some jobs and roles are more masculine than feminine.. regardless if it hurts your feelings or not.
perhaps, but clowns are not one of those jobs, its just that when people think of clowns they think of the generic male clown, but the jobs is pretty even as a whole
True
That’s Laughable! You judged and criticized me Before I gave my reasoning. I think it’s sexist you found frills and a pink nose less than masculine! How about that!?
You pointed these objects out first and I simply explained how they could look masculine in my eyes.
Why are you seriously still fucking arguing over this. Get over the bullshit “sexism” politics before I close the comments or ban you.
……. I still don’t think you get what I’m saying but ok, sure, bye now
I feel the exact same
Then it has something to do with it being feminine, you don’t like it being feminine because Popplio is masculine to you. But what I have to say to you is to try to understand that gender can be fluid and not every Pokemon (or person) can be put in a gender box
I understand it. .. I just don’t like it for popplio. Even its name is Masculine.. To Me. I’m perfectly allowed to dislike it without it Hurting others
. . . Omg. As I stated. Read below. To Me it’s masculine. At most I could see it neutral. I enjoy the clear cut male female of the chikorita and fennekin.. I also see snivy as feminine personally which I’m sure some disagree with.. But in my eyes popplio looks like a little boy.
So I am just going to stop you there, because you are already turning my opinion into a joke passive aggressively. This is the problem I was mentioning!
If you’re a steven universe fan… Sardonyx is all I have to say, she’s ready for the stage but will still kick ass and take names, performers usually take up fighting quite well as their movements are graceful and swift and allow them to move quickly
I would get use to it if real I suppose. I just wish knowing how this thing could fight was a little more clear cut. In my eyes it doesn’t look as if it has any interest.. when the game is majority for battling. In my eyes
Few pokemon actually look like they want to fight though..
That’s fine
thats fair
My main problem with this argument is that people often assume that those who dislike the feminine starters never specifically said that they like the masculine ones. I don’t like Emboar because I see it as more masculine, and I dislike Delphox because it looks more feminine.
I also dislike Popplio’s supposed evolution because it looks far too feminine in my eyes.
You just described Human nature in general. Personally I’ve never understood why people act this way, but you see it in pretty much everything.
True. Doesn’t mean we shouldn’t rise above it. Myself included
I agree. I try not to involve myself with petty arguments, I usually just state my opinion, and if it’s attacked by people I tend not to respond. I’m more than happy to have reasonable discussions with people with differing opinions, but I rarely get that online, so I don’t bother.
Omg.. you win the internet! I admit it’s still a sign of immaturity in me to go with this overwhelming need to always reply back! Lol.
I just can’t stand people thinking they have won something that wasn’t a competition or argument in the first place. My fault..
Well just so you know, none of what I was saying was hostile, nor should you perceive it that way. I was very chill when I was responding to you. As I said before, you’re free to your opinion
Yes not u.
Yeah the problem is me, for being frustrated by someone who is denying the sheer possibility of an androgynous starter turning feminine and is and who is throwing insults at me because of it.
Snivy is androgynous to me.. and I love it. I made mine female. I love how it sticks to its androgynous theme the entire way throigh. I don’t see popplio to be the same personally.
I love the femininity of Chikorita and Fennekin.. I love how they follow through the line with this.
The drastic change in my eyes with popplio in this art is one of my main problems..
And how it doesn’t look ready for battle in my eyes.. only a stage.
My only problems with it.
I didn’t know I had to type everything I thought at once repeatedly to amuse people
But do you understand me now?
I never had a problem you disagreeing.. only the way you chose to go about expressing it
They could easily solve the problem by releasing the starters evolutions…
But then the most climatic info has been blown too soon. Even simple confirmation or deconfirmation is very huge news.
I feel like if these turn out to be fake, and they refused to acknowledge it sooner, then it was just a ploy to keep us interested longer. It could easily just fade into any other fan art we took seriously
That could be true. GF is getting a lot smarter about leaks and info reveals. They might just be doing this to throw us off, but I doubt it.
Admittedly I see it beneath them to reply back to every curious fan
Lol
It’s not a problem for most people. Just a problem for the toxic internet communities.
Well if these are real I wouldn’t be surprised if they held off on the middle evos now. If we don’t get them by the October info dump, I’d definitely suspect these to be legit.
I don’t know about you guys, but if these are the starters, I want Brock to come back and travel with Ash and have a Rowlet. If these aren’t the starters…. Well. I still want Brock back.
Brock should come back and catch Rowlet, Rockruff and Comfey.
I think Ash will have a Rockruff with a Voice collar
I don’t see Ash with a Rockruff as much as I would like him to have one.
It would work with Brock, cos it’s a rock type, and it reminds of Ludicolo, fun loving, carefree Pokemon.
I definitely see Ash with a Rockruff. I feel like Brock would get a Stronger, more hardcore rock type.
Possibly, we will wait and see what happens.
Of all the Pokemon release thus far, I can’t see Ash with many of them. Maybe Salandit if he gets Popplio as a starter, but two generations in a row with Water Starter as his main…I’m not sure.
Could see him with a Rowlet and skipping on the regional bird
Or he could have both. This past season he had three flying types =3
ugh, dont remind me, I was really hoping for some diversity on his team because they always seem similar, but maybe Alola will bring that
Same, but I think they did it so Ash could Sky Battle and the limited amount of new pokemon forced them to spread the roster a bit thin. But like you said, hopefully Alola will help
I still maintain that was a mistake. I would keep Noivern, but I wouldn’t have given him the Hawlucha. I feel it was wasted with Ash (just an opinion). I would have given him Trevenant/Gourgeist to cover his lack of grass and give him another ghost which he hasn’t had since Haunter
Idk, I agree it was a mistake and wouldve liked Trevenant, but I feel like Hawlucha perfectly matches Ash’s personality. I love Noivern but I feel like the creators anticipated the hate for releasing Goodra so they gave him Noivern.
I felt the same. I do like how they don’t have the same weaknesses somehow. Though Halwlucha has been used in every league battle to make up for it, it would seem
Lol. That won’t happen.
I see Jessie with Salandit and James with Bewear.
I can also see Team Rocket with Mimikyuu after mistaking it for pikachu
I see where your coming from with that. However I used to think the same of Scraggy and Ash ended up with him, so im hoping he gets a Salandit. Also he hasn’t had a Poison Type since Muk (I think)
I see James with Bewear too.
It would be like Victreebell and Carnavine.
Ikr.. they dont really fit him in my eyes. Thin n speedy is what he’s all about lately.
I thought salandit too but I dunno if he would use a pokemon that loves toxic so much. I dunno
didn’t broke usually go for the little cute pokemon? aka vulpix, mudkip, lotad and such, I only remember him having onix as his hardcore one
Yeah. But I don’t think he’ll have Rockruff though
fair enough
My only problem with that is the starters and rockruff are unique from the rest. So if it’s based on their final evo, part of me feels he will only catch one of the 4 to exaggerate this like only having greninja.
But design wise.. it’s definitely one of the few I can see with Ash.. honestly I’ve been having a hard time deciding who suites him so far.
I can’t even decide who suites me! Lol
Brock should get a Bounsweet from an egg. It’ll be just like Happiny but it will be less strong and more crybabyish it’ll only get along with Brock and will be scared of everyone else. Even Brock’s Pokémon.
Yes! None of the male companions have been even close to Brock.
Yeah. He’s the best. I wanted to kill myself when he didn’t go with Ash to Unova. What were they thinking?
I like his current one though
Only if Misty is back.
Brock was the best, he would need a Pokemon like Croagunk to keep him away from the girls, please not another Max though, Croagunk was waaay better than Max.
LOL I want Gary to make a come back, and travel with Ash. Since Gary said he is no longer a trainer, but a researcher, he wouldn’t really compete with Ash over a lot of things. But I think it would be awesome if Ash’s former rival became one of his traveling companions for a generation. 😀 That’s what I want to see. 😀
Tbh, it’s also likely he could be blocking people to make them THINK they’re real evolutions.
True. To keep the talk up
Welp, I’ve had enough antagonization for today. I’ll be back Monday when hopefully the news will be exiting and this fighting will be over.
I imagine we may get the first stage starter evolutions. That would be nice, along some region/character details.
Lol we just talked about how silly it is to argue over opinions. Some people some things look masculine some look feminine some look neutral. No need to debate about it. Popplio looks masculine to me imo (meaning if i had to cast a character for popplio it would be a boy). End of story no argument needed
It really doesn’t matter what they look like to me. I don’t care for these “leaked” forms but I would prefer more gender differences, like Venusaur or Meganium.
don’t know if I’d really call those differences, didn’t they just shorten its antenna and give venusaur a bulb?
Yes. Male and female flowers. Give Popplio Stage 2 long hair with shells in its hair for female and no shells for male. Or a bra for female and no bra for male. Or a larger crown for male and tiara for female.
that would be fine
Lol I started with that half an hour ago.. maybe u r more clear.. or liked
Idk. I just arrived to settle the sexism bullshit
no one is going to argue with a mod regardless
I would argue with you about a few things ?
what would those things be?
Those things would not be appropriate for here. That’s what those would be.
….ok then?
Yes.. I started with that lol. Just add some gender differences and we can all be pleased.
I’m just glad I’m not the only one who sees it as a boy… But I agree
Isn’t the news tomorrow tho?
Naw, August 1st is Monday. It could possibly leak again though
Omg i thought today was the last day of July. Ugh I feel so stupid XD
its the last day somewhere, not stupid, just ahead of your time 😛 lololololol
Hahahaha hats true!
Pssh it happens XP I feel like summer throws everyone off xD
Indeed it does
Lets move the topic on haha
So what’s everyone hoping for tomorrow apart from just info on the next island 🙂
Edit haha : 30 days has September ,April June and November. 😛 but you know what I mean.
tomorrow?
Time zones
rightttt
At least a couple of gym leaders. Preferably one based on Jason Momoa
OOOH AND A WATER STEEL HAMMER HEAD shark
GENIUS!
What about a…crap I’m drawing blanks
So ergo a Blank Pokemon that is an cell or protoplasm
Amorphix
Normal
It’s only ability is Protean
Kinda like a DittoxZoroarkxZygarde Cell baby?
I want to avoid as much of ditto as possible
Alright Amorphix is a full cell that is adapting to its environment
Super moves mostly.
This
-If there are new evos/pre-evos/mega-evos for old pokes
-Official starter evos
-More info on Riding Pokemon
-Anything about mechanics we havent seen/heard yet
I’m more interested in what typically is released around this time… I have no idea. I want evos but I dunno if that’s odd or too early
They definitely need to increase the amount of dual type moves.. just 1 for 1 pokemon is ridiculous
That’s very difficult
Flying Press makes sense but what else can be a dual type move
Anything! Lol. I’m not asking them to change old moves.. But to create new ones
So create one
Yus
Ohhh.. I c.. I’m bad a creating. Lol. Maybe Fairy Dash.. for Tapu.. a fairy electric type move. Power 40.. multiple hit move
It already has Nature’s Madness
Lol.. meaning? I told u I’m not good at this.. I didn’t look at the bigger picture. Doesn’t that just raise electric type moves attack power? That would strengthen its priority move.. so that’s good.. right?
You pleb, Nature’s Madness is basically super fang reducing the opponents hp to half
It has the ability Electric Surge that creates electric terrain
Ohhh yus yuss… Why can’t it have 2 cool moves. Dash doesn’t have to be only for it
Like Groudon, lava moves could be fire/ground. It would destroy steel-types 8D
Molten Burst
Fire
The user causes geothermal energy to erupt from underneath
This attack also does Ground Damage
Earth power should have also done Fire Damage.