I’ve made a YouTube video regarding the image which surfaced earlier today allegedly revealing the final evolutions of Rowlet, Litten and Popplio in Pokémon Sun & Moon. Also included is my own opinion about whether or not I believe these images are real or not.
<3 PJ
ps- spoilers: I think it’s fake
FEATURED DISCUSSION: Friend Codes and NNID
https://youtu.be/oIFwRoy9bME
Also this beautiful piece of work
we just need a dolphin pokemon. that’s all i’m asking for. plz. .__.
My one Pokemon design I really want. Especially if it’s Water/Psychic.
Pretty much every conceived Dolphin Fakemon as a Water/Psychic
Supersmart warm ocean faring Mammals that use a psychic sonar to seek prey thousands of miles in a 360 radius
Like 8 years ago I made a dex of fakemons in a notebook and one of the straters was a rock water dolphin. It was basically a dolphin encrusted with coral. This is my hope for a dolphin Pokemon, just so I can say that I called it 8 years ago.
My Water Starter is a chibi bipedal dolphin
Dottle Water
Inteliphin Water/Psychic
Percephin Water/Psychic
Did some gambling. Celadon Game Corner is rigged as hell
Did slowdown and the last 7 slipped by the spot every time.
http://pre02.deviantart.net/a8a6/th/pre/f/2016/156/6/f/rotom_dex_by_gabasonian-da548xl.jpg
I wonder what the SuMo dex entries will be like now that we have a talking Rotom in our Pokedex. Let’s hope that this isn’t just Bill who screwed up again and became a Rotom.
I hope it does have Rotom’s influence in it though.
lol. I would love it if they had two descriptions for Pokemon. One basic Pokemon entry and one Rotom entry that just pure humor based on a given Pokemon.
That would be perfect.
Rotom: You’ve played for quite awhile, I think it’s time you take a break!
Me: I think it’s time you die!
My response will be ‘Eff you, I do what I want. I’m an adult. I will not put this down!’
Took a while to get how the last bit was a joke…then I realized the artist must pronounce Rotom differently than me (aka incorrectly)
I love the Pokemon anime, especially the XY and Z series which has incorporated a plethora of new and creative plot lines, characters, and the animation is simply gorgeous! However, I do believe it is time Ash retires and we get new protagonists. Although this will probably never happen as the anime never truly has any substantial factors to render it being changed, I’m kind of over Ash and Pikachu. If the ratings and performances of the recent films are anything to go by, many fans are too. The world is becoming ever instant-gratification minded and shows like Pokemon need to add flavorful and entertaining changes to keep fans interested and happy. Keeping the same formula only works for so long until the masses realize they’ve been re-watching the same monomyth just with different characters and little changes here and there.
I want an Origin esque anime for each Gen.
That would be epic! The Pokemon anime is supposed to give us an insight into the lives of trainers and Pokemon. Pokemon are supposed to be breathing, living organisms that have emotions, feelings, get hurt, cry, get happy, get abandoned, etc… and it seems like with the more recent additions to the Pokemon anime, we’ve reached a point where the writers are not showcasing these characteristics and attributes. It’s not always about the trainers, it’s about the characters as well. A perfect blend would be Pokemon Mystery Dungeon + Origins + Mega-Evolution Acts in my opinion.
I agree but the main problem i had with Origins was that because it was only 4 episodes it felt kind of rushed in terms of character development for Red. But its natural as it was just a mini-series. Regardless i would like another mini-series either way. Maybe if it were a movie. Either way i would like 1 for Gen VII
this is the first time im seeing these. I have no words
YOU GET THAT TRAILER UP NOW
of rotom dex?
No, I’ve been waiting for you to show your ugly but to ask you if you still have that Pokejungle Trailer
which one?
Any
Skiddo
Noivern? same one?
No. Shiny juan.
its been awhile
Yes, yes it has. You are now a birb.
and ur a juan
Soon I will be a two
I tried contacting you on twitter u need replied
I don’t use twitter much
I wanted to talk business
Full hostile takeover
Leave no assets unclaimed
the trailer is long gone i think
Damn
Go on
Well do u still have twitter?
Or anything
Yup. But I don’t use it too much anymore.
Well Im studying Game design. I wanna help you with Reviving a old game u had in mind
Jade Jungle?
Yea we could make it work now if u want. My friend would glady join too.
I would, but I’m working two jobs, so I don’t have much time for game development. I do have some sprites I’ve made in my spare time you could use.
that be great lol and im working two jobs lol
Speaking of business
Didja hear about Yooka-Laylee
Lizards
No
http://static.trueachievements.com/customimages/051411.png
Money Bags from Spyro.
The evil buzzman Captial B
In his glorious and expensive Hivory Towers
He plans to steal all the world’s literature and transform it into pure profit
Microsoft you mean
Exactly,
@BigGuyI:disqus
I finally made Montiki. (It’s likely going to look blurry cause it’s a direct upload)
GARSP!!!!!!
It’s based on the elemental monkeys.
Don’t mean to be rude but it’s kinda obvious
I didn’t bother changing the pose, so none taken.
Huh……..hmmmmmm
It looks rabid…..
And then it became a Mandrill.
Huh actually that makes sense
Earthen likes it
Grass/Rock
I see a lanky wooden ape, its dark brown body and long limbs like a puppet, its face it a long tiki mask with two fangs with a jewel that grants it motion
Oh and it’s back Sprite would show a bright red bum
Its nimble body can easily navigate dense forests, some say if you encounter this Pokemon at night you are cursed
“What a bunch of misfits and freaks we got here, I love it.”- Junkrat
What are your thoughts on what this month’s CoroCoro will reveal? I believe it’s going to consist of some new Pokemon, screenshots, and the first Gym Leader. I just hope it isn’t blocked by the flash of a camera…
I hope the first gym is something out of the ordinary . Like a type u would never think is the first gym type
Just new Pokemon nothing less
Yeah, let’s not have camera flashes again, please xD
I just want to see some new Pokemon. I’ll consider myself pleased if it shows a couple of them 🙂
The next pokemon is the Camera Flash Pokemon
Oh goodness
‘Yo, I heard you like camera flashes, so we made a Pokemon based on camera flashes, you can have camera flashes with your camera flashes’
Rotom: Right here Flash those cameras at me. the camera loves me
Bitches love camera flashes
Did they promise us any new info this month? Because corocoro typically leaks early, and E3 is right around the corner, so I doubt they’d want to risk having their surprises for E3 leaked.
The Treehouse will be showing gameplay of Pokemon Sun & Moon. So, were bound to get the CoroCoro before that since the Treehouse happens on June 14th. There is just too much information for my soul to bear.
Also some kinda “Pokemon Conference” or something on the 16th (forgive me I don’t know the real name but we got no info on it)
With the fact that E3 Treehouse event being close to Coro-Coro the magazine might not contain that much info. I could be wrong though
It’ll probably be nothing. Or something. Probably nothing.
Maybe now we could finally have A dual type gym? Since Kukui does study moves maybe we will have Dual-type moves so maybe dual type gyms could happen
None of that makes a lick of sense
Professor Elm: Studied Pokemon Breeding. Breeding was introduce in gen 2
Professor Rowan Studied Pokemon Evolution- new ways to evolve Pokemon with items and locations were introduce
Professor Scyamore- Studied Mega Evolution- Mega evolution was introduce .
Professor Kukui Studies Pokemon moves- maybe that would mean some moves can become dual type with Syncro/Syngery( what ever was found in the files_
I mean what evidence actually supports dual type moves
AND FOR THE LAST TIME LITERALLY NOTHING SUPPORTS SYNCHRO EVOLUTION ONE TINY BIT
WE HAVE ZERO INFORMATION
AND FYI ITS THE SAME EXACT THING AS MEGA EVOLUTION SO WHY WOULD THEY HAV IT
Keywords (Whatever was found in the files)
And what files are those
I have never agreed with you more than I do now.
People are grade S morons sometimes
It’s truly exhausting
I’d like to think the only main thing they have is that it’s in the anime so it has to be in the game.
I just don’t see it.
Extremely non-canonical
It may not be “synchro evolution” because as you say its the same thing as megas but im 65% sure we are getting a new battle mechanic becase the “keystone” on the player character doesnt look like a traditional keyston
Professor juniper studied the origins of pokemon but nothing in black and white had to do with it but professor birch studied pokemon habitats and weather effects were introduced so you have a point
We have one Dual Type move being Flying Press. I would like to see more in this Generation. Yet, I don’t how a Dual Type Gym would work… Maybe, a combination of Fire & Ice or something like that.
Flying Press should be the ONLY dual type move
It’s unique, the attack makes sense
No other attack will flow so organically
I dunno… Sunsteel Strike and Moongeist Beam do sound a bit dual-typed. A Fire/Steel physical move and a Fairy(?)/Ghost special move. Meteor Drive and Shadow Ray in Japanese.
It smashes into a opponent like a meteor
Steel, deal with it
And a celestial beam, it’s most likely Ghost since SE on Gengar and it seems they are focusing on their secondary typing but also easily a psychic
And again just not worth it, just play the cards your dealt
SSS can’t be (part) fire, since it didn’t trigger the “not very effective” sound against Salamence.
Thank you
I’m thinking they aren’t dual-typed, but if there are, their moves are their types.
Sunsteel Strike isn’t Fire-Type since the “not very effective” text did not appear. I’m guessing it’s Steel or Psychic or maybe a Dual-Type of the two. Same with Moogeist Beam, it’s probably Ghost or a Dual Type Ghost and Steel.
NO
I have a slight feeling that sunsteel strike and moongeist beam are dual type but i also think they are just steel and ghost respectively
HELL NO!!! ;( I really hope these aren’t real….my expectation for litten’s final evo is a majestic tiger similar to Raikou…..not that bipedal Tony The Tiger thing!! but I got the feeling that GF is going to do to litten what they did to Fennekin :'(
Random discussion time: Would you imagine if game freak came out and said “Gen 6 was just a test for our future 3d games like sun and moon therefore everything in it except for the pokemon is non canon” and they just forget kalos comepletely and never mention it ever again…lel just a random thought
Why would they ever do that? Generation 6 would just be a complete waste or money and effort. :/
To see the fanbase’s reaction to the transition from 2d to 3d and stuff? Idk
Ok… People were and are ecstatic about X/Y, OR/AS, S/M. So, it’s obvious the fanbase is glad to see the switch to 3D.
Nah, cause I love Kalos. Sure it has problems, but I enjoy it a lot. :3
I also did enjoy alot, i even thought that its graphics would be the best graphics achieved on the 3ds system (for a pokemon game that is) but with what im seeing from sun and moon i was completely wrong
I mean, Gen 7 naturally has to improve on Gen 6, so of course it’s gonna look better. You don’t hate Gen 5 because of Gen 6, now do you? No, it’s still good in its own right. It was the first attempt at a 3D Pokemon game, and I believe they did a good job.
Exactly. B/W & B2/W2 were the slow decent into complete 3D. Hell, the 4th Generation used 3D models for the environment similar to the 5th Generation. I’m glad GameFreak is taking a risk with fully-scaled 3D models. It does make the games look better than anything they’ve previous developed.
Yeah, I love their progression graphics-wise. When I did find out that the characters aren’t chibi anymore, I grew more excited cause it looks amazing. And XY did have those non-chibi moments, but I think it was a test to see if it could be done, like the 3D environment models from past gens.
Yes it gives them a more realistic feel and it makes the region feel much more atmospheric and detailed and gives you a hint about what the region is about for example if you compare gen 3 hoenn to gen 6 hoenn you can actually feel the tropical-ness of the region more
I dont hate any gen…but yes they did an awesome job transiting from 2.5d of gen 5 to the 3d of gen 6 certainly a great improvement graphic wise
Kalos truly does not deserve this much hate
They gave us SO MUCH
Amie, ST. WT UH full 3D game with all new 3D models
All this extra stuff takes a toll on development teams, everyone always assumes that they can just jam everything THEY want into the game and never question it
Selfish I have to say
Woah woah buddy i aint hating this is just random talk and discussion i actually like kalos a lot but i just wanted to create a topic to talk about while we wait for actual new (which sadly wont come anytime soon)
I know but a great deal of the community shits on Kalos on a daily basis
The features introduced were good. Region, story, and pokemon (generally) sucked.
When you talk about the pokemon you must be talking about design wise because in terms of use there are many great Kalos pokemon. But in my opinion the AZ portion of the story was pretty good it just needed a bit more expanding upon. As for the region i don’t think it was that bad
Yes, I don’t like many of the designs. It didn’t help that there were so very few new pokemon, which really disappointed me.
Trevenant, Goomy, Clawitzer, TYRANTRUM, PANGORO, Gogoat, Hawlucha, Aegislash
All cool
Goodra is awesome and cute at the same time which makes me love it a lot
I like those, except hawlucha
You’re dead to me
I hate the color scheme, eyes, and stubby legs. Shame that such a cool typing was wasted on a mediocre, unevolving pokemon.
I can’t hear you, you’re dead to me
Nah, Hawlucha is great. Mine has helped me win many a time against friends and i am forever grateful for my luchador. But to each their own i guess
Ehhh it’s not the worst pokemon but I just wasn’t impressed with the design or stats. It should’ve been able to evolve
I cant imagine its stats getting that much better evolving though. Both its attack and speed are pretty decent already. Maybe if it gets a Mega
Everybody is dead to you.
Pretty much
And characters.
Yeah the characters felt rushed and stereotyped (tierno the soft big dude, trevor the nerdy boy, shauna the girly girl) and many had potential to have great character development like n but just appeared three or four times in the entire game (lysandre, diantha, az)
AZ was just so weird and out of left field. Random gigantic 1000 year old man wandering the desert and somehow gets captured? Wtf?
Ikr! But at least its better than lysandre just randomly finding the key of the ultimate weapon lying around on the floor of some random place in kalos
Yeah what was that….the more I think about the game, the more disappointed I am.
Yeah, totally forgettable.
And yet it was too easy, the characters were awful, and it had a SEVERE lack of postgame.
It added in good features but it felt weak.
Were you not listening
All those features and the models take a lot of work
I don’t care. Everything else lacked.
You blunt
Cut them slack
No, they made a poor game. They should’ve put more effort into it. It’s like a movie that looks really nice but has a shitty plot.
Feh
You’re blinded by pretty graphics and features. When you look at the actual region and story it was bad.
No. X/Y were astoundingly mediocre pokemon games, I don’t care how much work was put into the models.
Someone finally agrees
UGH the post game. Basically on par with R/B/Y post game, which is so very very sad.
It was only super easy with EXP Share, without it, it’s a bit harder.
The friends are kind of bad, but Lysandre had super gray villain moments, and I really like that. AZ was relatable to me, in a way.
And Postgame I don’t care too much of, since I usually shiny hunt/do whatever/restart the game if I get bored.
Lysandre was just a poor mans Cyrus.
True, I do prefer Cyrus, but Lysandre has moments that I like better than Cyrus.
I honestly don’t remember anything about him because his character and motivation were forgettable imo. All I remember is when he suddenly turned into Doctor Octopus for no reason
I think on a character concept sheet it said the suit was used to harness the power of Xerneas/Yveltal into the Ultimate weapon or something along those lines. But it was never stated in the actual game so it seemed random as hell
The arms looked like cameras so it was just confusing as to what the hell they were.
Yeah i was confused too
It’s still easy without the EXP Share. I’ve tried.
And if it was super hard without the exp share it’s still an issue. There should have been an option to set it to certain pokemon.
Lysandre was okay. I can’t remember what he tried to do but I don’t remember caring at all about his character.
HELL NO!!! ;( I really hope these aren’t real….my expectation for litten’s final evo is a majestic tiger similar to Raikou…..not that bipedal Tony The Tiger thing!! but I got the feeling that GF is going to do to litten what they did to Fennekin :'(
*btw Rowlet fans I hope u enjoy this hehe something of my creation hehe n_n
Fennekin’s evolution was not bad at all. Delphox is actual extremely liked in the fan-base. I do agree with Litten, it reminds me of Tony the Tiger; which isn’t great. Yet, do remember that it’s speculation or a rumor. It might actual be an elaborate fake. It wouldn’t be the first time we got one. Still, the other starters look rather amazing!
I mean, I agree with you on Litten, I prefer the vision you have, but Delphox is not too bad. I grew to like it in the end, despite the initial disappointment.
I just want Litten to not be bipedal.
jrclerk… I first read that as circlejerk.
…Is this dyslexia? ._.
CIRCLE UP
No dyslexia is like if i say something like “body” and “worm” and you read them as “doby” and “morw”
Um, how was that different?
Dyslexia differs for everyone
For the people awaiting the Corocoro leaks, you can soon wield a part of it in Splatoon with the Corocoro Splat Roller.
Don’t like splash walls on a roller tbh
Im bored so here is a list of my favorite starters from each gen:
1.Charmander
2.Cyndaquil
3.Torchic
4.Chimchar
5.Snivy
6.Fennekin
7.Litten
As you can see im mostly a fire lover but in gen 5 i chose snivy because the first time i saw it i felt like we have a connection and ever since that day serperior has been my favorite pokemon, heck i even have a 6v contrary one i bred myself called Forrest and he is really special for me because with him i beat the maison and he is really helpful in online battles
1. Charmander
2. Totodile
3. Treecko or Mudkip
4. Piplup
5. Snivy
6. Froakie
7. Litten (for the time being)
Charmander
Totodile
Mudkip
Chimchar
Tepig
Chespin
Popplio
1. Tie between all three really. If I was forced to choose, Bulbasaur.
2. Totodile
3. Tie between all three. If I was forced to choose, Treecko.
4. Piplup
5. Oshawott
6. Froakie
7. Popplio
As you can see, I’m a HUGE sucker for Water types. Lol.
1. Bulbasaur
2. Cyndaquil
3. Treeko
4. Turtwig
5. They all suck. Snivy.
6. Chespin
7. Rowlet
I don’t hate any of the starters. I just base my favorites off of the memories of what I originally chose and beat the game with.
1. Squirtle
2. Totodile
3. Mudkip
4. Piplup
5. This one was rocky. I liked Oshawott and I beat the game with it, but the Snivy line had the best art and designs. So majestic.
6. Fennekin. The first time I picked fire over water. I didn’t care for Chespin but I love the adorable Chesnaught. Greninja is cool too I guess.
7. So far, Rowlet. I really love birds and owls are adorable. Especially when they carry of small deer. Popplio is adorable too. Litten looks like a mid game generic fire type though. I have a feeling its going to have an awesome tiger final Evo though.
1. Squirtle
2. Totodile
3. Torchic
4. Love all equally
5. Snivy
6. Hate all equally
7. Rowlet
1. Charmander (Squirtle is second)
2. Cyndaquil (Chikorita was my fav for the longest time but es second now)
3. Torchic (Mudkip second)
4. Piplup (fav water starter ever, Chimchar second)
5. Snivy (Fav grass starter, Oshawott is second)
6. Fennekin (Chespin second)
7. Litten so far (Rowlet second, Popplio just slightly less than Rowlet)
Huge Fire starter lover too, except for Tepig. Sorry Tepig fans. Never liked it from the start. Water and Grass is usually tied
Tepig’s whole line is really awkward.
Emboar is such a weird pokemon. It just looks….uncomfortable
I just hate the names Pignite and Emboar. So cheesy. Emboar does have the best Shiny of the three though.
I have to agree on that, blue and brown make a pretty great combination
It does, that much can be said for it lol
Tepig is probably the ugliest starter so you’re not alone lol
True, I’m not, but there are some who liked Tepig from the start. I just never did. Which is weird for someone who likes Fire starters.
It’s just not cute to me lol. I feel the same way for Popplio and Chespin
Tepig was technically the best to get through B/W with his stats and coverage
but I think that’s all it has honestly
So much hate
http://mrwgifs.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/Tepig-Crying-Sad-On-Pokemon-Gif.gif
I hate swine, I’m sorry. And the tail is weird
It’s cute, just awkward. Mainly because it’s pretty much precooked pork
I love Tepig too much to allow so much unnecessary hate
Sorry, I just never liked it. Nothing was there for me to like it.
I have used it in playthroughs before and I can respect it. Heck, it saved me a lot during my White Nuzlocke. But I still don’t like its design.
It’s just supposed to be a little piglet
Not every starter has to be so extravagant
It had a simple and adorable design
I love any design really. I love most starters. It’s Tepig and Bulbasaur which are the exceptions to me. They just never clicked with me.
And since when did I say stater designs have to be extravagant? I love Torchic, and its basically a chick. Nothing else.
I flutter between liking bulbasaur and not really liking it. It depends on the art
Deserves it after how unnatural it’s final evolution was.
For once Earthen, I’m on your side, I love that little pork chop
Tepig has a lot of heart
And that episode made me want to cradle the poor thing
awwwwwee, its nice to see your soft side, and I agree
And if anyone starts brings up this mush I’ll break your limbs in five different places and yank the bones out to puncture your lungs
What a sweetie pie
awe, :’) … I mean um, *cough* FAIRY MASTER RACE* better? 😛 lol come for me, I’ll throw unwanted mr. mimes at you
Let’s see I’ll need a group of Tentacruel, some Durant, a bunch of Steelix
And with Excadrill by my side I’ll easily wipe out fairies and my Garchomp eats Fairies for fun
yes but can you also get past my ghosts with them? 😉 I’m not just a fairy lover remember, lol I just hype it up because I know how much you dislike them hahahaha
I need only my physical brawn, Ghosts are frail, useless without their precious will-o-wisp
Which is why I have my Throh
I have never actually had any of my ghosts learn will-o-wisp and they do just fine
Feh, then eat Knock Offs and Stab Earthquakes
That will cut you down to size
how you gunna earthquake something with levitate?
Then I’ll just iron head the damn Gengar, it’s not like its a tank
I’ve never used one, I was talking about mismagius, and yeah you can take it out but my mrs. Pringles will be waiting for you if you do 😉 and lets not forget M Banette my second favourite pokemon of all time, but alas I must depart
tepig slander? infront of me? I WILL DEFINITELY JOIN tepig sucks
Woooo!!! It does. I kinda like Pignite (sorta, but not really)
1. Charmander
2. Cyndaquil
3. Treecko
4. Turtwig
5. Snivy
6. Fennekin
7. Don’t Know yet
*Fixed
I didn’t play Gen 1 and 2 so the first two are because I used them or their evos in other areas and they worked well for me. The rest are whichever I picked first and it did well. Gen 7 is subject to change.
1. Bulbasaur
2. Totodile
3. Mudkip
4. Chimchar
5. Tepig
6. Fennekin
7. Rowlet
No pattern whatsoever, I just picked the one with the most appealing design.
Do you guys think we’ll see Anne in Pokémon Sun & Moon?
After you help her save Mewtwo from being merged with the Shadow Synergy Stone, her Synergy Stone broach breaks. She says she needs to take the Shadow Synergy Stone back to her people and asks if you can take care of Mewtwo for her. Once Ann leaves, Nia says she feels like Anne had a look in her eyes that said “I’ll be back.” Once you get to the world map, Nia wonders if Anne made it back alright.
It would be great to see a connection between all of these theories actually be true.
Also, having “synergized” be a feature on par as Mega Evolution would make a lot more lesser used Pokémon viable. That’s one interesting idea brought up by this video. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D2aH5Pgt8vw
I’m just going to pray that everyone in S/M use 3D Models in battles. It felt extremely lazy in X/Y and OR/AS with the use of Ken’s art. Don’t get me wrong, Ken’s art looks amazing, but I felt that 3D Models would have more personality. S/M would be the best opportunity to implement it.
Yes! And even more now that battle and overworld models are one and the same
You and me both. I really really hope and pray to the Lord Arceus above that they don’t take that lazy route again and use 3D models for all the basic Trainers, Gym Leaders, Elite Four, Champion, as well as the Evil Team.
So you like 2D drawings for all?
so I heard we were talking about Gen 6
Specifically X/Y.
what’s your Favorite starter pokemon or have we already discussed this
Either Charmander or Mudkip TBH
Totodile 100%
Every Pokemon chat room in the world has already discussed this xD
Mine is Chikorita!
Snivy (even though i mostly chose fire starters) but definitely snivy, torchic close second, chimchar third (tied with litten and fennekin at the moment)
But litten hasn’t even released yet. As far as we know, he could be the worst pokemom in history 0_o
yeah but by design it looks so cute
Meh.
My least favorite of them.
I would take rowlet over him anyday.
Litten does have potential though. The fakemon above for it sucks butt though
Yes this fake makes me cringe and makes litten have a lot of lost potential
It looks like a shitty sports team mascot. I’ll scream if it actually looks like this
And he is a dual type starter.
Just embrace it’s greatness.
Tepig
As I stated before I love that adorable design
And I don’t care for slim lean fighters
I love big beefy powerhouses, and Emboar symbolizes this well
Chimchar line. Monkeys are one of my favorite animals and Fighting is my favorite type
You have to kill me xD I hate choosing my ultimate favorite on things, including starters.
Piplup/Cyndaquil/Snivy. Sorry, really hard to pick a fav from those three. Maybe Piplup just a bit more. But I dunno.
*relieved that one other person here likes Cyndaquil ;_;*
No worries, es my fav fire starter by far. And I never knew I really liked Cyndaquil until HGSS
when you’ve got that Typhlosion following you althroughout Kanto amirite
Typhlosion always looks fierce. I imagine it always staring down opponents like ‘What? You wanna mess with me. Bring it on, I’m gonna burn you to a crisp’
I always thought I liked Cyndaquil but then when I think about it, it’s evolutionary line is just really boring. When I picked totodile on my second playthrough, it was just so cute following me around. Feraligatr is okay though..
it’s boring sure but it has a lot of charm to it imo
Not bad, just not something that’s really exciting to look at :/ I also hate pure types
that’s fair
pure types tend to just be boring not just design-wise but gameplay-wise
Yeah and I like all the type coverage I can get on play throughs. Makes battling and training more interesting
nothing wrong with a simple design, some pokemon are a little too over designed
I’m like that with Chikorita. I always loved it, but then when HGSS came out, and I played Cyndaquil, I always wondered why I really liked it so much when Cyndaquil was better for me. And it helped me realize I liked most fire starters.
Same! Chikorita used to be my favorite for a long time and then I actually looked at its movepool and stats and was disappointed. Plus it’s like trying to be a defensive pokemon but grass is a horrible defensive type. So many weaknesses
#TeamPiplup I loved Empoleon so much. It’s Water/Steel typing is just so unique. I remember loving to use him all the time when Diamond and Pearl first came out.
From the start, it was love at first sight. Piplup love <3
I remember first playing Diamond and I made my empoleon my HM slave >.<
You little bitch
I was naïve!!
starter as HM Slave
never thought I’d see the day
I always teach everyone of my starters CUT if I can 😛
well usually I’m forced to make one of my starters learn an HM but it’s usually Strength or Rock Smash
I usually teach them flash too
D/P was my return to pokemon after a few years since I skipped two gens. I was a super rookie.
It’s alright im just surprised
I had hella trouble beating the game. I remember I was fighting Roark and his geodude used self destruct and it knocked out my last pokemon so I thought I had won but then I blacked out. I was so fucking mad lol. I had really bad anger management back then. Don’t get me started on Gardenia and her Roserade lol
I always do the same for my Water-type Starters. Particuarly with putting Surf on them, but only because the move in general is just so powerful. I don’t normally put Waterfall on a Starter. Because most Water types have high Special Attack and I don’t want to waste the slot for the less powerful move.
Physical water pokemon kinda annoy me during play throughs b/c you need surf but waterfall suits them better. But then that’s two HM slots…hence why they need to get rid of HMs like yesterday
That’s a very very difficult question my good sir. Hmmm… out of all the ones I’ve used over the years I’d have to go with Piplup and it’s family. I just loved Empoleon at the time and it’s unique Water/Steel typing. <3
Probably Chimchar or Turtwig if I absolutely had to choose. I love Snivy a lot (serperior is an awesome design) but it just doesn’t have great stats, which is disappointing.
Contrary+leaf storm fixes this problem a lot for me but yeah even it is my favorite pokemon i have to admit that a serperior without contrary has below avarege attack stats
True, I forgot contrary was released last year. It has now been boosted up 🙂
That’s tough.
Treeko or Bulbasaur.
Piplup. It’s one of my favorite birds and it combines both my favorite types.
If it wasn’t already obvious Chimchar. I love monkeys, and it becomes a combo of my two favorite types.
Piplip did #that
Seriously? No charmanders?
Scott would freak out.
Charizard is overrated imo
same
;'(
But … Flamy Flying dwagon… he is cute and fierce:-/
don’t get me wrong he’s still my favorite of the kanto starters
just
gets a bit boring seeing him everywhere you know?
It’s like pikachu but probably less deserved in my opinion
But… He is so cool and powerful:'(
I think Charizard is like Ocarina of Time.
It’s called overrated so much that it’s almost underrated.
when in reality its TP thats overrated. ohhh wut? :O …. 😛
No… TP is underrated. The overrated one is Wind Waker.
it’s a throwdown ladies and gentleman
I guess we’ll just have to agree to disagree
Mudkip > Charmander
Well, but MUDKIPZ are always superior tho.
I think a lot of people are in the ‘Saying Charizard if your fav is so typical like what other starters are better’ phase. I still really like Charizard, but the things it’s been through has hurt it a bit.
I’m just hoping Gen 7 doesn’t use HMs please let them die off or at least be usable out of movesets
Please let them be easily forgotten.
Or just not too useful on the outside world.
I mean I still want to surf on the back of a Kyogre but I don’t want to lazily watch my Tangela cut a tree
Part of what was good about B/W. You basically only needed surf
Gen 5 and Gen 6 both knew what they were doing when it came to HM’s honestly
One of a few good things about Gen 6 jk jkAnd then ORAS made you use a bunch of them again -_-
well technically it’s a gen 3 remake and they tried to compromise with the Eon Flute
Yeah there was at least that. Flash was unnecessary though. Still think dive is stupid. Why would we need that when we had a rebreather. Can I not swim or something?
all humans are incapable of swimming except trainers who have found the true magic of swimming and don’t need pokemon with surf
they are inhuman
Stupid pokelogic. It makes me angry tbh
I like HMs. They force you to always have a cutesy flying pidgey around.
Yeah it really annoyed me that honedge literally a sword couldnt cut a bush without knowin cut or that lapras cannot transport me to water if it doesnt know surf(although surf is a pretty good move) or that staraptor cant fly me to jubilife city because it doesnt know fly
I never understood whys moves like Slash, Night Slash, and Shadow claw couldn’t be used to cut down trees. Why limit it to Cut? Why cant I Use Hammer Arm to crush that boulder and get rid of it permanently as opposed to just moving it to the side with Strength?
They are NEVER going away
It’s a key staple to restrain players from advancing without battling gyms and actually find it
They make it so you have to find this HM and earn the badge, because that’s how it is, the road out of here is blocked by a boulder, I’ll have to find a way to move it
You people just want all things so easy
They could be replaced by items…
Ever played Ash Grey?
no it’s just I don’t want to screw up an almost perfect moveset with something below par while all the other trainers don’t even have the move and yet they’re capable of swimming JUST FINE
Well too bad, it seems I’m the only one who understands the true nature of HMs therefore I don’t got a problem
there is absolutely no good design choice with the use of HM’s that can’t be replaced with something else that has better design
and unless you can provide me a good example that doesn’t have a better alternative then I’m sorry I don’t think you’re seeing the ‘true nature of HMs’
I’m ready for a throwdown bby
Today is throwdown day, where we bring up topics that make long comment chains 🙂
I don’t mind, it’s not getting too heated, imo :3
They are supposed to be crucial to exploration and progression
Each HM allows you to find hidden areas and lead to goodies
HMs are a good restricter to force the player come back later with the HM to fully explore the area, which is always interesting
I personally feel that they stop a player from snatching up every goodie in the area and leaves nothing to come back for, and it’s crucial in keeping the player close to the story, like I can easily see how if somebody could just ignore all the stops and find his or herself at the final town without any obstacles, which is what they overcome
You can’t leach this town until you learn rock smash, that’s how the game should be in the future and how it should stay
You can do that with an item! Someone gives you the item, the rotomdex maybe reminds you like ‘hey, remember that area from before? Maybe go check it out, if you want.’ or you remember it on your own. You can do exploration with the items just the same as with HMs. Just because it’s an item and not an HM doesn’t mean that it kills exploration of past areas that have those obstacles.
Ok im ready bby
“Each HM allows you to find hidden area and lead to goodies”
so give an item that does that too. Q.E.D.
“Good restrictor to force the player to come back later.”
again the items. Seriously play a metroid game, they do that and it’s beautiful.
“They stop a player from snatching up every goodie.”
“keeps player close to the story.”
Again items.
“You can’t leave this town”
ITEMS
honestly i was expecting you to say Human-Pokemon bond when using pokemon to help you on your adventure but you didn’t
you used something that happened to lower my IQ reading it
what better item then a freaking Pokemon
How’s an item going to let a ten-year old move a 2 ton Boulder like a soccer ball
Or travel across a vast ocean, this isn’t magic land where we can pull a jet ski out of our butthole
yeah but you can pull a huge whale out of a pokeball
it’s a game I already have the benefit of the doubt going in
and even then you could make the HM attach to the pokemon like another move, that isn’t too hard right?
basically same thing as an item only better
hell i’d forgive it if you had to hold the item to do the action
that’s alright
I don’t want forgiveness I want to beat my message into your skull
i’ve been told i have a pretty thin skull
you must be using sticks
Well considering you have a bike in your backpack and hundreds of potions yeah it kinda is.
Folding bike
And potions are a low blow since stackable items are always a thing
A folding bike that still probably weighs like 25 pounds
Yeah, but in your puny backpack do you really think you can hold hundreds of different pokeballs, potions, a bike and several other things like a map, fishing rods etc?
This is a universe where you can pull jetski’s out your butthole.
Cut: Gardening gloves
Flash: Flashlight
Strength: Power gloves (they can think of something I’m sure)
Rock Smash: Chisel
Fly: Flute
Surf: Swim suit
Dive: Rebreather
Waterfall/Rock Climb: Grappling hook
Okay but why when someone gives you the HM for rock smash couldn’t they just give you “power fists” or “chisel” instead?
Why give YOU a chisel when a Pokemon can break it with its bare hands
Why does it need a move in order to break it with its bare hands? It should be able to do it without the move.
Because it NEEDS MOVE TO DO SO
Why is this so hard
You have an obstacle
You find the ability to overcome it
Give it to a Pokemon
Pokemon overcomes obstacle
You progress
It’s a simple formula
ok so have pokemon have a subset of moves known as HM moves
they can only have up to 2
problem solved
But when the Pokemon has the ability to do much greater things (Like Tyranitar for example) how does that make sense? SCYTHER HAS FREAKING SCYTHES AS HANDS, yet it can’t naturally cut a bush. Makes total sense.
Plus you can do that with ITEMS.
Obstacle found.
You are given an item to overcome it after doing something like getting a badge, talking to someone, or a friend giving it to you.
You overcome it
You progress.
Simple formula there too.
Because a pokemon should not be my slave.
THAT’S RIGHT N HAD THE RIGHT IDEA
N IS ALWAYS RIGHT N IS THE SAVIOR THE HERO
….but really N rules. I sympathized with him so much.
The main problem is you cannot delete them.
I can understand that they weren’t items due to lack of space in Gen 1 but not in any other region after that.
Then they don’t want you to delete them, it’s just a pet peeve that you either accept or stop playing
Cuz Gamefreak ain’t getting rid of HMs anytime soon, no matter how much everyone bitches
Earthen has admitted defeat. gg no re
I never admit defeat
You may as well have sweety
Tell that to Gamefreak
How long has everyone complained about HM removal and how many times did they do it
How will “you may as well have sweety” gonna change anything?
Makes no sense jagoff
No, your comment makes no sense jagoff
‘it’s just a pet peeve’
so you admit that it’s annoying and has no design idea whatsoever
I never said it wasn’t annoying, but I GET IT
And the design works because this Pokemon world is filled with obstacles which you and Pokemon can overcome together
It just makes sense that we need these extra abilities to progress and what better way then special moves that enable to do these things
It’s like in Zelda this one area can’t be open without a bomb and you have to get them to progress, it’s just how it is
yeah but the difference in zelda is that the bomb is actually useful outside of its intended use
I get your point though
I still don’t think it’s neccessary
again I believe the HM idea was only made to save programming time rather than for a good design choice
GameFreak is capable of fucking up (we have gen 6 as an example /s)
Gen 6 is not too effed up, but that’s just my opinion 🙂
i was being sarcastic i still like gen 6 despite all its flaws >_>
True, I admit it has flaws, but I still love it regardless. :3
It’s all the necessary
You people just don’t appreciate the fundamentals
it’s not a fundamental
it’s a design choice
nowhere in design 101 does it teach you that the player must now suffer pet peeve
How is adding obstacles a bad design choice, for one it’s a great idea, they make you uses these attacks to get anywhere and without them you can’t
If it were me, I’d be strict with HMs, you’re not getting anywhere without them and I won’t make them easily found or the gyms that let’cha use em will be easy winnings
And just to be extra cruel level restrictions
You can’t use that HM unless that Pokemon reached a specific level like to cut this tree the Pokemon must be level 15 to use cut
That’s punishing. No one will enjoy a game like that.
No one likes punishing games. People like difficult games. There’s a difference.
I wouldn’t use the word punishing.
Unfair would be a better word
it’s the difference between a Dark Souls (Punishing but completely fair) and the Battletoads (Punishing and completely unfair)
I use the word because it reminds me of an Extra Credits episode on why people don’t make difficult games anymore. Their words not mine 🙂
I want that to be a reality
That would weed out the weak and soft
It would turn away everyone. No one would play it and it wouldn’t do well.
your reality isn’t sellable
honestly there’s no merit to the argument of ‘weed out the weak and soft’
you’re basically saying you care about nobody but people who agree with your ideals of strong and hard
and I can’t get behind that
A’doy,
it’s a narrow point of view but I’ll give the benefit of the doubt that maybe you can live with it
“No one likes punishing games.”
Yet games like I Wanna Be The Guy, Wings of Vi, and 1000 Spikes exist…
yeah but one of those is free and a couple of those are games that practically nobody plays
Cause they are probably fair. I dunno much about those games, but they are probably played because they are fair and are fast-paced. I’m taking my words from an Extra Credits episode about the topic. They talk about difficult games and how if you make them more fair and less punishing, people will play them.
actually i’ll be honest
I Wanna Be The Guy is the epiphany of Unfair
I dunno about them, so I can’t say why they exist or what they do differently.
I wanna be the guy is for masochists
Okay but those aren’t kids games
or games that have good sales numbers either
or good reviews
Wings of Vi is apparently notorious for hit detection failure
Exactly. Pokemon is the second highest grossing video game franchise of all time (if you just lump mario into one category)
actually the only game that works of those 3 is 1000 spikes cuz it’s fair
that’s not my point and you’re missing it
the point isn’t that there’s an obstacle
the point is that it is an apparently unfixable obstacle in-game
you always have to suffer the pet peeve no matter if you’ve beaten the elite four or not
You never really explained why HM’s are necessary in this comment, though. At least the form they’re in.
Your arguments have consisted of “it’s tradition” and “get over it”.
Considering TM’s are recyclable they are unecessary now.
HM’s are what we call “fake difficulty”.
it’s also called poor design
Well in black and white gyms werent needed to use the hm so the simple solution is to do what they did, make the hm unaviable until the story requires you to use it
story requriing an hm for a certain event is fine it just rarely comes to that honestly
Exactly bu BW where able to pull it off and it was great
i agree with earthen. It become a staple and they cant just remove them out of nowhere
I’m not saying you can just do it i just wish they could
and they did kinda remove them in gen5-6
Oh yes, the good old “It’s tradition we can’t change it” argument :^)
i mean you arent lying and i dont have a comeback soooo…. yes
It’s not that I want it to be easy, You can do items that do what HMs do, but not being able to get them until you get the badge. There’s an alternative right there. You find something to help you move the boulder from someone you talk to.
People have a problem with HMs cause they ruin movesets or you have to add a Pokemon to be an HM slave. It gets annoying.
That’s a non-argument when
1) B/W did away with them almost entirely and made them optional
2) You could replace them with key items that would serve the same purpose
I think i remember reading somewhere that they were orignially supposed to be items but it got scrapped in favor of becoming moves…that cant be forgotten unless you have a move deleter. And i dont think move deleters were a thing until Gold & Silver
I think the only reason HMs exist for pokemon is that it saves programming by making pokemon do certain things instead of adding another item to a limited item space that was Gen 1
True. It’s just lazy at this point though. All signs pointed to getting rid of them and replacing them but they keep them around for no reason
They weren’t. I tried in my Yellow playthrough recently
Besides, why can’t my giant godzilla esque pokemon that created the land and weighs thousands of pounds be unable to move a boulder without a man made object?
Exactly. EXACTLY.
Should be able to Hyper Beam it to oblivion. But no, it must know Strength
that battling gyms for HM can be deconstructed entirely by having a gym leader give you some other item that does the job instead
Or you have to talk to someone in that town to get it, or a friend comes over and is like ‘There are some shrubs that are hard to remove, here’s a machete’
It’s the same thing as getting an HM
“oh no your person can get a machete in a pokemon game?”
“how is this for kids? Oh the humanity.”
It can be something else xD My first thought was machete
Sheers, weed wacker, gardening gloves, etc. Literally anything
They need to replace HM’s with key items and turn surf and waterfall into TM’s. Fuck the other moves
I’m fine with Fly being a TM too it’s pretty useful in battle
Okay Fly too.
I’d like soaring to return and kinda be the new fly.
Yes that would be glorious.
I’ve always wanted to be able to fly around freely to any place you want and encounter Pokémon in the sky. That would be awesome.
I saw a post on reddit that said the Rotom pokedex could be the new “HM slave” of sorts.
Can anyone post the pics that r on the vid? My wifi in singapore sucks and i cant watch the video to see them clearly.
I got you.
Anyone else think Litten should have Fire/Poison type evolutions?
Yes.
Just….yes. Please.
Yeah. I hope so too. I mean… it would just work really well.
I’m up for it
Sounds neat. Sure.
Absolutely not, even more so if you try to say oil
Well cat bites and scratches can give you crazy infections.
Well because of their litter and claws scooping up whatever. Litten should poop out a sludge of toxic because outdoor cats and toxoplasmosis
Sulfur.
I respect your opinion
Sure, I’m up for new types. I just want it to be well designed
technically im up for whatever
Fire/Ground
Fire/Poison
Fire/Electric
just as long as it isn’t Fire/Fighting again ffs
True. I just think Fire/Poison would work best.
I still believe that we’ll get a Fire/Poison-type that isn’t Litten’s evo. It’s about darn time.
Yeah. I can’t believe we haven’t had one.
Its time like this when you realize there are still a lot of type combos they haven’t done.
Grass/Fire.
I have an idea for that though. A pine tree named Nevergreen.
There should really be a fire/grass forest fire pokemon. Tis a natural process
It should be a bear
Yeeeeessssss!!!!!!
Lol smokey the bear could be its rival
Yeah. We’ve got Volcanoes…. volcanoes……………. yeah….. just volcanoes.
Also fire/water pokemon that’s not a legendary..That seems like such a simple typing to base a pokemon on. Fire coral, anyone?
Something to do with geysers?
Yeah exactly! Maybe even like a poison/water type that evolves into fire/water (like an oil slick that sets on fire)
Hopefully a Steel/Poison.
And a Poison/Dragon.
Poison types need more love.
Dragalge is Poison/Dragon, but more of those would be awesome :3
I forgot about Dragalge….
We need another.
Literally like 3/5 of all poison types are from gen 1 lol. There were so many. Would love to see more
Steel/Poison would definitely be nice. I could see it being some kind of polluting Pokemon that goes against the purity of nature. I like how we already have two Steel-type legendaries, it’s probably my second favorite type.
It could be a mega for Weezing, but I’d prefer a new pokemon over a mega.
I would want Mega Weeding to be Dark and Poison.
Sorry, weezing
Something rusted for sure
Wastenaut Poison/Steel
Walking sludge ball with a melted bio waste drum around it
Poor Dragalge
I really want a Dragon/Fairy that’s not a Mega 🙂 I love Mega Altaria but a non-Mega with that type please :3
I just watched Paul’s video for the first time and I will now give my rating!
Rowlet 3: 9/10 (Seriously, it could not be more perfect. It has two genius gimmicks in one. Using a hoodie string as a bow, how cool is that?)
Litten 3: 6/10 (I don’t want to see a bipedal Fire-type starter this generation. That is all I will say about that matter…)
Popplio 3: 8/10 (Interesting design, and it makes sense for a seal to become a mermaid since they have been mistaken for them throughout history.)
Rowlet was also the Quill pokemon and it’s suppose uses Quill arrows
I have similar ratings, maybe a bit lower for Litten since I don’t want Litten to be bipedal.
#4legsisbetterthen2
all fire starters are bipedal in its 3rd stage
Unfortunately. At least Typlosion switches in the anime
I know, but I want Litten to be the exception. Being a tiger, I want it to be on all fours, not bipedal like Tony the Tiger. He…wan’t good.
What if its bipedal but when it runs it runs on all fours like Typhlosion?
I guess I don’t mind that 🙂
Welcome to the Bipedal fam Litten! xD
Rowlet: 10/10
Litten: 10/10
Popplio: 10/10
Rowlet 8/10-srsly good i would have believed this if it was the only one shown
Litten 1/10-no just no
Popplio 2/10-good but not believable enough
Litten and popplio are the ones that make me certain these are fake but if it would have been rowlet alone there would have been a chance that i might have believed it
After Fletchling becoming a Fire/Flying type Talonflame does anyone think Alola’s regional bird will do he same and become something not Normal/Flying or do you think they are going to go back to it?
Normal/Flying is another stupid pokemon pet peeve that adds virtually nothing to the bird.
If they were to give it some unique moves i would’nt mind too much. Like how Braviary can learn Rock Slide and Super Power. But i agree other wise it is a pretty boring type combo
It’s boring and uninspired. Like Staraptor should’ve been flying/fighting. It’s described as been ferocious, aggressive, temperamental, etc.
I think they’ll do something different. But I don’t care either way :3
I don’t want that.
hm going based off the bird it could be another Normal/Flying or literally just be a pure flying type.
Pure flying is near infinitely unobtainable
Unless this thing is a pure wind Elemental it would never be a pure flying
Also Flying is notorious for being secondary typing
Only Noivern gets a half pass since it’s more related to Sound and Wind then a Dragon
yea since only pure flying type is the wind legend himself. maybe go with a Water/Flying or Ground/flying for the bird
Exactly,
Well then why are there pure types at all? Fish pokemon aren’t pure water elemental.
why is non of the fire pokemon not just a ball of fire
Exactly, that argument makes no sense. It’s not wind type, it’s flying. Birds fly therefore they should be able to be pure flying.
Well Because it needs structure and base
Take Starly is it just a flapping ball of flight?
No it’s a avian and which are very close to mammals which Normal types embody
You just can’t have pure flying unless it is living wind, why do you think we have only One Pure Flying Type and one Primary Flying Type if Gamefreak doesn’t use this logic
But many pure types are mammalian as well and they don’t solely embody that type. With this logic they should all be normal typed unless they’re a legendary. If GF followed this “logic” they’re just limiting themselves and they quite frankly are stupid.
You just don’t get THEIR vision
What I said makes sense
inb4 a pure flying type bird is introduce this generation
Unlikely
I wish, although I like dual types better unless the secondary type adds nothing
Not really, I mean they don’t have to follow set rules for a fictional universe. They can do whatever the hell they want because it’s fantasy
So name a Regional bird that isn’t Normal/Flying at some point in its evolution
Well duh I know that, I’m just saying they need not limit themselves when they can set the rules. I’m tired of following pointless formulas, time to deviate and keep things fresh.
Yeah they aren’t too keen on that, it’s just been their traditional way
And if you don’t like it then don’t play or make it yourself
That would be a pretty dumb reason to stop playing. We all have things we dislike about the games but overall love them. If you don’t, you’re either lying to yourself or you’re a blind fanboy, which isn’t good.
You can have a balance of traditional and change. You can make things fresh yet stay to what works.
Just because they get it before doesn’t mean they can’t change it to be new.
Or are they
My logic on Flying types makes sense
Water could give it either the aquatic creature vibe or the fact it controls water
But the bird pokemon control air in the same way.
orignally there was suppose to be a bird type then came flying lol
Ew, good thing lol
Peck, Wing Attack, Pluck, Brave Bird
Barely, they just move it,
Same with a bunch of other types
Flying/Normal has been done to death and especially in Gen 1. Game Freak is unpredicable and who knows what they may be thinking. They could always go back to Flying/Normal because they are insane. :p
There are many secondary types they haven’t tried for regional birds. While it is red, I don’t want to see another Fire/Flying, and neither Fire/Fighting because Hawlucha did it well already even if it wasn’t the regional bird.
Flying/Poison, Flying/Fairy, Flying/Electric, Flying/Ice, Flying/Ghost are ripe for exploration.
From the little bit we have of it, it looked black. It could end up being Dark/Flying in the final form with a Black, red, and white color scheme.
Well, cya everyone. I have to listen to the stuff they’re saying in the Revenant because I’m the only one who understands their Southern accents. See you tomorrow.