Wow. . .it’s been quite a while, folks! I’ve been keeping up with the site, but I haven’t posted anything in some time. I’ve been posting more on Retry Level, so you can always look for me there. It’s been a tough balance between the two sites!
I’ve been wanting to do a new Starters Untamed for some time now. Pokémon X and Y released some of the most interesting changes to Pokémon games that we’ve seen in a very long time, so I’ve been eager to write about my thoughts and experience in the competitive play realm as they have changed drastically. With the introduction of the new fairy typing, negated resistances of the powerful steel typing, and mega evolutions have brought in so many new strategies into the mix that at first it was quite overwhelming. Because of the huge influx of new concepts brought to competitive play, there are still pieces that have yet to be fully analyzed and tested out. The analysis of this generation of starters will be purely opinionated and, as always, up for (constructive) debate.
This generation’s starters are probably the most interesting that we’ve ever seen. Each contain their complementing dual type that helps counter their opposing foe. Not only that, each starter has their own hidden ability and attacks unique to their own species (aside from Klefki). First up we have Chesnaught, the spiny armor Pokémon. This is the first time we’ve had a non-reptilian grass starter, which has received some mixed feedback (especially from its’ deceptive transition to an awkward looking final evolution). This beefy, intimidating rodent (?) is dawned with the grass/fighting typing, an interesting match up only seen in Breloom and Virizion. It’s stats cater primarily towards a physically strong Pokémon that excels in tanking and physical offense. It’s HP/ATK/DEF clock in at 88/107/122 respectively, which is nothing to take lightly. However, the remaining SpATK, SpDef, and SPD stats are relatively low, only reaching 74/75/64, which leaves Chesnaught vulnerable to the numerous special sweepers that plague competitively play. Its typing, however, acts as a double edged sword. It has plenty of resistances and types that its strong against, but it also comes with six common weaknesses, which include the new fairy typing.
What I love most about Chesnaught is its movepool. It comes with all of the best physical grass type moves like Seed Bomb and Wood Hammer, and it can also learn plenty of useful TMs like Dragon Claw, Stone Edge, Swords Dance, and Earthquake. Perhaps the most interesting thing about Chesnaught is its access to its signature move, Spiky Shield. This moves acts exactly like protect, but damages the opponent if physical contact is made. If playing a more defensive Chesnaught, this combined with Leech Seed can really throw off your opponent by maintaining health and consistent chip damage.
Overall, Chesnaught is a decent addition to the grass type starters and works well up there with the likes of Torterra as far as being a physical tank. Its typing doesn’t really do it any favors, but access to Spiky Shield and other great attacks make it a worthy addition to any team.
Next up we have Delphox, the magical fox Pokémon. Fennekin was easily the fan favorite when the starters were released. We awaited eagerly to see what its final evolution would look like, and Delphox came to us as quite a surprise. Its probably one of the most human-like Pokémon that we’ve seen, and the addition to its magical wand gives it loads of character (not to mention its cry is absolutely horrific). Unfortunately, what Delphox has in aesthetics, it lacks in its abilities as a solid Pokémon. It has the stats of a decent special sweeper, clocking in at 114/100/104 SpAtk, SpDef, and SPD respectively. Its defensive stats aren’t doing it any favors, which make Delphox quite frail if up against a strong, quick opponent. Its typing, fire/psychic, is not the greatest as it leaves it open to the common ghost and dark types, which often out-speed it. Its movepool is a bit of a mixed bag and seems to have lost its identity somewhere in its creation. Should Delphox play its role as a special sweeper? Is it more of a support attacker? It doesn’t have the speed to function well in the sweeping department, and its not defensive enough to remain a support teammate.
I’d have to say that Delphox is sadly the worst of the three starters. It doesn’t excel in any one role in competitive play, which leaves it open to plenty of counters and switch ins. It’s unfortunate as it’s such a cool Pokémon with great concepts and a great design, but it falls short in being anything offensive or anything supportive. There are simply more Pokémon out there to fill this role that can do the job much better than Delphox.
This leaves us with Greninja, the ninja Pokémon. Greninja was probably the biggest surprise for all of us; not many of us were expecting a ninja with its tongue used as a scarf. Greninja not only excels in the coolness factor, but its also a fantastic Pokémon to use. The best of the three starters, really. These are the stats that Delphox should have had; 103/122 in SpAtk and SPD, which allow Greninja to outspeed most of the standard metagame. Its attack also clocks in at 95, which make it a formidable candidate as a physical sweeper, too. Its typing, water and dark, provide far more benefits than counters, however it does leave it open to the new fairy type that plagues the battlefield. Better yet, its movepool is everything we could have hoped and dreamed for in a sweeper. Access to moves like Dark Pulse, Ice Beam, Surf, Grass Knot, U-Turn, Toxic Spikes, and Acrobatics make it difficult to see what Greninja is going to throw out at you.
What makes Greninja so amazing is not just its diverse movepool and useful typing. Its ability, Protean, is arguably one of the most useful Pokémon abilities out there. Protean changes Greninjas type to whatever move it uses. For example, using Ice Beam will change you to a pure ice type. Next, use Grass Knot to change yourself into a pure grass type. This makes Greninja essentially impossible to counter, and it also makes every single move a stab move. This ability alone makes Greninja one of the most versatile Pokémon you can use in a competitive team.
However, Greninja is far from being in the uber tiers. Thankfully, GameFreak balanced out its stats by making it extremely frail, with its HP, Def, and SpDef clocking in at a mere 72/67/71. Also, Greninja isn’t exactly the most powerful attacker out there. It can be a bit difficult for it to 1HKO opponents that are specially defensive or physically defensive, leaving Greninja open to counter measures. Tanks like Blissey and Ferrothorn can take whatever Greninja throws at them (save for attacks not specialized in their defensive stat).
What do you guys think of this generations starters? Do you have a particular favorite? Agree or disagree with my analysis? I’m curious to see how the future generations of starters will compare to this generation. We saw a ton of changes in Pokémon X and Y, most of them necessary to keep the series alive. Hopefully we’ll continue to see more positive changes in the future!

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Chatot Williams, How you Chatter’in?:
“Hello everybody! Welcome! So, today on Chatterbox, we’ve got the latest updates on recent celebrity scandals! So, Cynthia, you know, that Sinnoh chick, she was on an interview on the Wingull Show and when asked about a potential remake on Sinnoh, she said this, “I believe every region should get their time to shine, it’s just, Hoenn has waited so long, it’s his time to shine. It’s not like we’ve forgotten about it, it’s just that we had different priorities.”
*Audience gasps*
“I know, shady! Well, Steven took to Twitter and posted a statement. Here goes, “I’ve always looked up to Cynthia, she’s an amazing trainer and person. I do think by different priorities, she meant how messed up and glitchy DPP were. They’re still fixing it.”
*Audience gasps*
“I KNOW! How dare he- although… if you think about it, Steven’s very remorseful. Anyway, see you next time as we break down the cast for next season’s “Desperate Dittos.”
Lmfao I need more of these XD
The World of Pokemon needs its own Media Applications
PokeTube
Pitter (like in Pit against)
PokeBook, Pokemblr, Ash.fm. Poketerest
I’ve been playing Tomodachi Life for the entire day! It’s so good…
I will buy it. BTW I missed u
I was here last night. I come on late because of school and then gym right after. 🙁
Hmmmmmmm
I’ll need a Demo
And i’ve slaved away at least 500 hours to Animal Crossing
lol 500 to animal crossing? I’ve slaved 999 hour to ACNL. That game destroyed my summer
I feel like I’ve been cheating on Animal Crossing D:
Is it like AC?
AC + Sims I guess
More like Sims but with way more free will…
“Pokemon is for children!”
http://prorasslin.files.wordpress.com/2011/05/hulk-hogan-with-pokemon.jpg
But we’re all Children….deep down
That is kind of scary o______o We’re redefining what it means to be an adult. Just because you become 18+ doesn’t mean that you have to devoid yourself of the things that you’ve loved for years.
Exactly there is no line, no age where you stop being a child and have a sudden transition into adulthood.
Yes as we grow up we gain more responsibilities and our actions have consequences, but I hate how certain things are expected of ‘Adults’….let me live my life how I want. If I want to watch cartoons or if I want to play video…I can.
Hulk Hogan is a man-child.
That can tear you in half
Is pokemon Childish?
no.
Correction:
Does playing pokemon make you Childish
No.
Wynaut?
Refer to my reply to Chaos and the picture of Hulk Hoenn 😮
I can’t show that picture when arguing with a friend
Yes you can. Save it to your phone or whatever for reference. Hulk Hogan was a professional wrestler, is ripped, is a grown man, and is a manly man. He plays pokemon, that makes anyone’s argument invalid.
No!
naw
Why?
It requires strategy. Something the average teen and older enjoys using. Also, the games are so fun for everyone to enjoy.
Refer to the picture of hulk hogan with Mudkip and Treecko that I just posted.
Hells no
We freaking have dead kid stumps and child snatchers
Naw.
Ask him to define ‘Childish’, and then ask him to explain why…
He said Childish means it is meant for kids and Pokemon is meant for kids…
Ask him why is matters if a game is childish? If that game is fun, why should you care?
That won’t help
I called him Childish because he was inappropriate, he called me childish because I played pokemon
Call him “Ignorant”.
I do
ALL the time
Throw a 3DS at him with Pokemon games and ask him if it doesn’t hurt.
https://i.chzbgr.com/maxW500/8222911488/hA3793845/
But seriously, Pokemon has things like IVs, EVS and strategies that older fans enjoy. And if they don’t battle, the games are fun to play through regardless of age.
No. Younger kids and older ones see it in different ways.
Younger kids, older ones and PETA *
Ahhh…
Breaking News!:
“Weather alert! The weather has been crazy these past few days! Many cities are already declaring Emergency Level S and citizens are already advised to leave home. Although the origins about these strange weather patterns are currently anonymous to scientists, Prof. Birch, leading professor in Hoenn thinks it may be related to the mysterious activities many citizens are witnessing all over Hoenn by two strangely dressed groups. However, we advise everyone leave home for higher ground and please, stay safe during these turbulent times.”
You don’t tell 10 year olds what to do!
Trollfreak:Gives Tate,Liza,Winona and Juan mega Lunatone,Solrock,Altaria,Milotic
But Mega Swellow!
Swellow is easy.Altaria is evil.
Even with fairies?
I don’t there will be many fairies in Hoenn. Just Gardevoir,Mawile and Azumarill
That’s all you need considering how early Ralts and Marril are available…
I’m confused. I though there was no gay relationships in Tomodachi Life. One of my Mii’s just asked what I thought about another Mii of the same sex and one of the options was “Great Match”. How can that be?
Maybe in a friendship sort of way.
Maybe like best friends, you mean? Because the other option was “Nothing Special” so I just assumed the first one meant love. 🙁
Bromance
What would be the female version?
Sismance I guess XD
Womance?
Sismance is the termen
Bromance.
I prefer more Yaoi but there is no gay relationship ;-;
Why has society made us believe certain things are unacceptable once you reach a certain age. So much for teaching us to be ourselves…and instead moving us towards some kind of dictatorship where only certain things are allowed and everything else is against the norm and unacceptable.
Why? Because society leaps in immeasurable bounds, takes insurmountable risks, and still believes in a delusional life. Forever are the birds caged, finding the shoulder to rest upon will take time and effort. Reality coerces darkness out of our minds just as blood travels freely through our body. Teaching about a delusional life in which one can freely express themselves without the fear of being subjugated, where one can be themselves, and where one can almost achieve everything, isn’t a grand, delusional life much better than the truth in which caged birds are kept away from?
“The wind from the North, it brings with it the smell of darkness… It’s rising (player), it’s rising. There is evil out there, heinous people who will forever antagonize Pokemon and people alike. This darkness, it’s nothing like before, it’s… demonic… (Player), can YOU feel it?”
*wind- something speaks in your mind*
“Young one, come, come with me… Let me play the Lullaby for you…”
Good night guys!
All I read was “The wind from THE NORTH” Game of Thrones!! XD
lol Me too XD XD XD
Winter is coming… through your neck!
Wow so I just watched the Genesect movie for the first time……….So yeah FUCK both Mewtwo 2 and Red Genesect. Neither one of them learned a lesson and yet all of a sudden everything was ok. Mewtwo at first only cared about Pokemon and then all of sudden gave a shit about humans………and Red Genesect basically got off scot free for almost blowing up an entire city and also being a huge dick……
Please refrain from using vulgar language. We are a polite and public community.
Srry, normally I don’t use it on here I just needed to get that off my chest lol
I understand. The movie annoyed me too. I felt that it was a step down from how good the Keldeo Movie was (I thought it was pretty good). I can only hope that the Diancie one will be a lot better.
Yeah the XY series has been doing a pretty decent job so I hope that the Diancie movie will be good lol
Bye guys! It’s 7:40 pm and I must rest now.
Rest easy!
I’m starving!
Bye!
Last Tomodachi Life question: I’m on club nintendo and to register the game I need to put in the pin but where is that on the digital version?
If your 3DS is linked with your Club Nintendo account, it auto registers the game.
Yeah, I just realised that LOL.
What gym leaders were the hardest for you?For me Whitney,Tate and Liza,Fantina,Gardenia,Lenora and Elsa. BRB I go to ship a yaoi couple.
I have to say
Winnona
and Clay
Pretty much every Sinnoh Gym Leader was difficult for me to beat. That’s why I love them so much! Have fun Yaoiing.
Crasher Wake and the Barry battle before was a pain. They are sooooooo overleveled.
I agree. I hated that Floatzel
I don’t even know how I defeated Crasher Wake!
Same! I think I used Toxic and Synthesis with my Leafeon, and that was what saved me >.<
I had at that time Staraptor,Luxray,Primplup,Leafeon and idk
btw I mean luxio
I had at the time Prinplup, Crobat, Leafeon, Houndoom, and Gabite.
Fantina was a nightmare for me…Same with Gardenia ;-;
I think my Crobat using Bite is what destroyed in that fight xD
and with Gardenia? She had that freakin’ Roserade >:(
Golbat :3
What about Volkner 🙂 He was the evilest
Garchomp 😉
I give up XD I lied about Volkner. He was easy with Garchomp XD
Yeah. I saved up about 5 rare candies just to evolve him before Cyrus xD
For me the hardest gym leader was elsa(those emoga >:( ) and Tate&Liza
Morty, Liz & Tate and Flannery.
Clay, Tate and Liza, Whitney, Norman at times, Fantina, Marlon at times, and Elesa.
Tate and Liza, and Lenora are the ones I had the most troubles with.
I agree. Lenora always used hypnosis on my pokemon
It was a pain. Even with Pignite. Had to use Flame Charge to outspeed the thing.
I used Chesto Berries(from cheren) as items and they helped me very much
Brawly and Cheren
Cheren :O How was he hard?
Because of Work Up.
😉
Challenge mode, underleveled, work up….yeah :'(
Ah! I see
Every hoenn gym leader besides Juan.
easy peasy lemon squeezy.
I
Djja go to PM he’s online lol
I just realised when I get ORAS and I have to use Pokemon Bank to transfer all my pokemon across, I’ll have to pay $5 US…… just to use it once! D:
But then you get to use it to transfer Pokémon from HGSS caught in different type of Pokeball to ORAS as well, for a year.
HGSS? Pokemon Bank works for that game as well?
No. You have to transfer from HG/SS to a Gen V game.
No, but you can transfer them from HGSS to BW, and from there to Pokebank.
Oh that’s what you meant. Well I knew that but it doesn’t matter to me what pokeballs were used :/
I started to love poke bank :O It’s very easy to transfer pokemon from a game to another one :O
Well… It’s either $5 or a 3DS so….
lol ur cute
ikr NLque is adorable
moving is cuter.
You get a year! Think about how many Pokemon they have to save! XD
How come it’s so dead tonight? D:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d6FOCsgdLG8&feature=kp
This is why.
cause no new article lol.
http://cdn.bulbagarden.net/upload/8/85/Hoenn_ORAS.png
If you look closely at Fortree City, it appears as if the Gym in the middle has been remodeled as one of the huts, just really big. That is epic if true
God damn I love how detailed they make these maps!!! I keep inspecting it so closely xD
Lol why does Hoenn have to be so perfect?
I can’t wait to walk across the really long bridge :3 I wasted my time doing that in R/S xD
I don’t know what and where you two are referring to, and I don’t want to find out. XD
Fortree City xD There are two parts, the upper part has 4 houses connected by 3 smaller bridges. The lower part has two houses connected by 1 really long bridge XD
Shhhh! I said I don’t want to find out!
Oh… Uh… he was talking about Digimon
OOPS LOL XD Sorry ;~;
I thought you were making a dirty joke cause I said really long bridge >.<
._.
I didn’t make that connection, and I have a dirty mind.
You reached a new low there. XD
LMAO I did xD Sorry again! ;~;
Fine its gone
Need I say it
Be careful what you post
Someone was tempt banned
For spamming pictures and psuedo-porn.
I haven’t done anything…today
Wot. Oh, is that what the “this comment was deleted” is about?
Probably. It was Archie half nekkid.
^^^There shouldn’t be posts like these here :/ And spam is really annoying.
My post, or the porn. My apologies if it’s my post. And the spam is annoying. It slows down the site =/
The Archie half naked NEVER should be on this site :I
Never. It was gross. I didn’t believe the wrong url story anyway :S
If people want to see they should go to coughrule**cough
Half naked above or below? Just curious.
Above. And curious, hmm? xD
Well, if it’s above, it’s not as bad, but then again, this place contains kids.
There was bulge, and it wasn’t pretty.
Oh now I see what you mean. ._.
Carry on.
Dude stop little sistering
Really? Spam is annoying. And he’s right. NL banned someone.
Who was banned
I know who it is, but why should I tell you? NL keep his or her identity a secret.
I just warned you, you should be thanking me, I don’t want you to be banned so i told. I am not nagging you in anyway at all. You could of at least said thank you.
Its better me warn you than a mod
Yeah i guess your right
MenancinCascoon is right. +spam are annoying.
What is this? A parody of Smash Bros? With 6 players?!
Its gonna really hard to avoid things during CoroCoro time
Just stop resisting
NEVER!!!!
Can we Agree Mega Medicham and Mega Abomasnow are probably the most lesser seen megas
I’ve seen a lot of Mega Medicham, but I have to agree with Mega Abomasnow.
Yeah. Mega Medicham needs more attention, but I can totally understand Mega Obamasnow.
I didn’t know the President had a Mega? :3
It’s actually a fusion of Obama and president Snow from the Hunger Games.
Oh snap! :3
I see Mega Medi every other day
Lately its the same ting
Fake out
Drain Punch
Thunda Punch
Zen Headbutt
I read “…Agree Mega…” as Mega Archie…
and i was like.. wot 😛
No that’s a lie for mega Medicham
A lot of people use it
What about Mega Houndoom? :O
Mega Abomasnow is mostly seen in doubles
I use Mega Houndoom. 🙂
I commend you 🙂 Do you use Sun support of stand alone?
It depends. If I use it in my Gym Leader team (4 members) in my academy, I use Sun Support with Solar Beam, if not, I replace Solar Beam with Will-o-Wisp.
Ah I see, nice! You should let me battle you with that team 🙂
Can’t wait to surf the currents in ORAS. It’ll be really fun flying back to Pacifidilog repeatedly just to explore everywhere x’D
I hope the surfing speed is faster in ORAS.
Speaking of speed
That running speed tho 0____0
Can’t wait to do anything(especially dive) in ORAS <3 I love Hoenn so much <3
For someone who’s been here pretty much since the first reveal of BW, I don’t comment a lot, hmmm
I remember the small little message sent out by GameFreak saying they were working on a brand new generation(BW) :3
I wonder if they’ll switch the Version Exclusives like they did with HGSS
The version exclusives were like that because Phanpy and Teddiurse were supposed to be in the opposite version. HG/SS fixed that.
They changed only Teddiursa and Phanpy because they were supposed to be in the opposite version
*Tear* they just had to give HeartGold Phanpy…….
I loved Donphan more then anything from the days of Johto
also Gligar and Elekid
Pokemon Art academy came out today
Are we gonna see The mega evolutions of Yveltal?
Maybe
In an unrelated note i just got a WT Spinda with a Butt Shaped Pattern
That is… Lovely
Too bad i can nickname it, I wanna name him Cheeky
That reminds me i gotta catch a new Spinda to helm me make Secret Bases in ORAS
I am literally scared out of my mind for my regents tomorrow. Like I almost threw up.
Scep, good luck!
Thanks 🙂
I took living environment instead if earth science this year and next year is chem for me
But both of us will need luck for the integrated algebra Friday 0-0
Shouldn’t Archie’s head next to PokeJungle logo be updated to match that of ORAS?
On a side note, I’m in the process of drawing Rocket from Guardian of the Galaxies. 🙂
I like Groot
I am Groot.
Ultron approves
It should be. I’m just having trouble making his new design in the style I use for the logo. 🙁