Wow. . .it’s been quite a while, folks! I’ve been keeping up with the site, but I haven’t posted anything in some time. I’ve been posting more on Retry Level, so you can always look for me there. It’s been a tough balance between the two sites!
I’ve been wanting to do a new Starters Untamed for some time now. Pokémon X and Y released some of the most interesting changes to Pokémon games that we’ve seen in a very long time, so I’ve been eager to write about my thoughts and experience in the competitive play realm as they have changed drastically. With the introduction of the new fairy typing, negated resistances of the powerful steel typing, and mega evolutions have brought in so many new strategies into the mix that at first it was quite overwhelming. Because of the huge influx of new concepts brought to competitive play, there are still pieces that have yet to be fully analyzed and tested out. The analysis of this generation of starters will be purely opinionated and, as always, up for (constructive) debate.
This generation’s starters are probably the most interesting that we’ve ever seen. Each contain their complementing dual type that helps counter their opposing foe. Not only that, each starter has their own hidden ability and attacks unique to their own species (aside from Klefki). First up we have Chesnaught, the spiny armor Pokémon. This is the first time we’ve had a non-reptilian grass starter, which has received some mixed feedback (especially from its’ deceptive transition to an awkward looking final evolution). This beefy, intimidating rodent (?) is dawned with the grass/fighting typing, an interesting match up only seen in Breloom and Virizion. It’s stats cater primarily towards a physically strong Pokémon that excels in tanking and physical offense. It’s HP/ATK/DEF clock in at 88/107/122 respectively, which is nothing to take lightly. However, the remaining SpATK, SpDef, and SPD stats are relatively low, only reaching 74/75/64, which leaves Chesnaught vulnerable to the numerous special sweepers that plague competitively play. Its typing, however, acts as a double edged sword. It has plenty of resistances and types that its strong against, but it also comes with six common weaknesses, which include the new fairy typing.
What I love most about Chesnaught is its movepool. It comes with all of the best physical grass type moves like Seed Bomb and Wood Hammer, and it can also learn plenty of useful TMs like Dragon Claw, Stone Edge, Swords Dance, and Earthquake. Perhaps the most interesting thing about Chesnaught is its access to its signature move, Spiky Shield. This moves acts exactly like protect, but damages the opponent if physical contact is made. If playing a more defensive Chesnaught, this combined with Leech Seed can really throw off your opponent by maintaining health and consistent chip damage.
Overall, Chesnaught is a decent addition to the grass type starters and works well up there with the likes of Torterra as far as being a physical tank. Its typing doesn’t really do it any favors, but access to Spiky Shield and other great attacks make it a worthy addition to any team.
Next up we have Delphox, the magical fox Pokémon. Fennekin was easily the fan favorite when the starters were released. We awaited eagerly to see what its final evolution would look like, and Delphox came to us as quite a surprise. Its probably one of the most human-like Pokémon that we’ve seen, and the addition to its magical wand gives it loads of character (not to mention its cry is absolutely horrific). Unfortunately, what Delphox has in aesthetics, it lacks in its abilities as a solid Pokémon. It has the stats of a decent special sweeper, clocking in at 114/100/104 SpAtk, SpDef, and SPD respectively. Its defensive stats aren’t doing it any favors, which make Delphox quite frail if up against a strong, quick opponent. Its typing, fire/psychic, is not the greatest as it leaves it open to the common ghost and dark types, which often out-speed it. Its movepool is a bit of a mixed bag and seems to have lost its identity somewhere in its creation. Should Delphox play its role as a special sweeper? Is it more of a support attacker? It doesn’t have the speed to function well in the sweeping department, and its not defensive enough to remain a support teammate.
I’d have to say that Delphox is sadly the worst of the three starters. It doesn’t excel in any one role in competitive play, which leaves it open to plenty of counters and switch ins. It’s unfortunate as it’s such a cool Pokémon with great concepts and a great design, but it falls short in being anything offensive or anything supportive. There are simply more Pokémon out there to fill this role that can do the job much better than Delphox.
This leaves us with Greninja, the ninja Pokémon. Greninja was probably the biggest surprise for all of us; not many of us were expecting a ninja with its tongue used as a scarf. Greninja not only excels in the coolness factor, but its also a fantastic Pokémon to use. The best of the three starters, really. These are the stats that Delphox should have had; 103/122 in SpAtk and SPD, which allow Greninja to outspeed most of the standard metagame. Its attack also clocks in at 95, which make it a formidable candidate as a physical sweeper, too. Its typing, water and dark, provide far more benefits than counters, however it does leave it open to the new fairy type that plagues the battlefield. Better yet, its movepool is everything we could have hoped and dreamed for in a sweeper. Access to moves like Dark Pulse, Ice Beam, Surf, Grass Knot, U-Turn, Toxic Spikes, and Acrobatics make it difficult to see what Greninja is going to throw out at you.
What makes Greninja so amazing is not just its diverse movepool and useful typing. Its ability, Protean, is arguably one of the most useful Pokémon abilities out there. Protean changes Greninjas type to whatever move it uses. For example, using Ice Beam will change you to a pure ice type. Next, use Grass Knot to change yourself into a pure grass type. This makes Greninja essentially impossible to counter, and it also makes every single move a stab move. This ability alone makes Greninja one of the most versatile Pokémon you can use in a competitive team.
However, Greninja is far from being in the uber tiers. Thankfully, GameFreak balanced out its stats by making it extremely frail, with its HP, Def, and SpDef clocking in at a mere 72/67/71. Also, Greninja isn’t exactly the most powerful attacker out there. It can be a bit difficult for it to 1HKO opponents that are specially defensive or physically defensive, leaving Greninja open to counter measures. Tanks like Blissey and Ferrothorn can take whatever Greninja throws at them (save for attacks not specialized in their defensive stat).
What do you guys think of this generations starters? Do you have a particular favorite? Agree or disagree with my analysis? I’m curious to see how the future generations of starters will compare to this generation. We saw a ton of changes in Pokémon X and Y, most of them necessary to keep the series alive. Hopefully we’ll continue to see more positive changes in the future!

![chesnaught[1]](https://pokejungle.net/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/chesnaught1.gif)
![delphox[1]](https://pokejungle.net/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/delphox1.gif)
![greninja[1]](https://pokejungle.net/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/greninja1.gif)









Guys. I think i’m gonna take a break from here for a bit. I’ll still cheack in every now and then. But these region wars have been getting out of hand.(and i myself have been partly reponisble for it) I cant take these region wars anymore…It’s becasue of these region wars that i’m starting to hate hoenn. I dont want that. So im gonna take a good break from PJN. see ya guys.
dont start something that you cant end
Just leave him alone. No need to drag it on.
Ok
Obviously people didn’t heed my words. If you would just leave him alone, he wouldn’t have responded more… and this whole deal would have been over already..
thanks Ig. but they arnt gonna heed it.
Bye!
See ya, bro. I’ll be sure to greet you when you come back. :3
But you are in these region wars most of the time
Also they debates and most people like to see them we are just expressing our opinions, nobody is getting mad at each other
thats the problem
The problem?
You want to see us mad at each other?
no i dont.
The problem, is that you cause most of them, and lose the battle. You always slam Hoenn, so that doesn’t give the right to slam Sinnoh?
i slam hoenn. that is the problem. i dont want to start fights. yet i do. that is the problem.
Bye 😛
You’re starting to hate it because you slam Hoenn and promote Sinnoh and expect to get away with it.
haha
no i dont. its why im leaving for a bit. i dont like any of it.
To be fair, half the time you were bashing Sinnoh pretty harshly, too.
djja you always slam sinnoh come on
Because he slams me hard first
REALLY HARD
Yeah… no.
Even before this, you were always on slamming Sinnoh.
Now I’m not taking sides here, I’m just stating the truth.
Because others do too.
And so what
Using your words
I was
“Defending my opinion”
;p
Defend it so it makes your region looks good, not making others’ look bad.
and just becuase someone bash sinnoh you have to bash it to. sorry for sound cliche but if someone jumps over a bridge will you do it too?
Yes, if someone makes fun of hoenn I’ll jump into a pit of fire and kick their booty on the way down! >:3
And this is why we can’t have nice things.
dude no when we discuss is because you always bash sinnoh. dont try to make up excuses
How?
You mean
When I make a hoenn water-appreciation post
I’M the one who says “It’s still bad?”
No, brah.
check yo self
I only bash when I’m bashed.
AND I BASH HARD
oh come on, you have bashed sinnoh from nowhere on many occasion, not trying to make you look bad because i admit i have bashed hoenn many times too. and sometimes when someone says sometimes like i prefer sinnoh, you laugh at them.. it needs to stop
Bye Have a good life 😀
This battle has been a victory for #TeamHoenn, but the war is not yet over
JK don’t leave ;~;
dude im leaving. i’ll be back tho.
Yes it has.
it may not be over. but im quiting it.
tc wanting to start ww3:o
Yay
#surfinondatsurfoard
I love how people quit like it’s their job to be here, lol.
And then they come back because they love their job too much. 😀
guys. please. i know i have done wrong. im trying to make uo for it. please.
Making up for what?
Nobody ever said you did anything wrong
i’ve been starting fights. getting overly upset. do i need to go on?
Well if you do get overly upset don’t start them, but if you think its the best thing i can’t disagree Bye 😀
Really, you’ve done nothing wrong. It’s the Internet, you were defending your opinion. It’s unfair too that the majority is already biased against you. Just let it go, and forget anything happened.
Defending it by bashing others…
Offense =/= defense.
It was all over and done with until you brought it back up. Lighten up and take a joke. No need to be so defensive.
I understand. But, although I admit you start things sometimes, others do too. We’re all guilty of starting a ‘heated debate’ for no good reason. For me, it was Cyrus.
We all just need to let it go and be friends again. I’m friends with everyone here but sometimes, they act annoying.
We’re a family, and we act like one too. :3
I hope you come back soon.
Anyone here have Tomodachi Life?
I want it ;~;
No, but it seems fun. I don’t know if it even has a story, but I’d rather not get it because I don’t know what do it with it when it ends.
I think the region wars are kinda of fun. Listening to how people feel about their own region.
#TeamHoenn
Don’t you even start, man. #Teameverything
#somuchhurnnIcantdiscren
*discern
In other words I love Hoenn XD
I agree
I love hearing how people feel and showing how i feel back It is quite interesting
Though i do wish it wasn’t just Hoenn and Sinnoh
COME ONE PEOPLE we should do Kanto and Unova 😀
I love Unova 😀
Promoting your love for a region as if it were the best knowing consciously that there are people who disagree with it and might fracture a relationship is far worse.
First friend please no big words XD. But seriously you shouldn’t get mad over what other people say its life and everyone won’t think the same. If everyone thought the same wouldn’t that be boring :P?
He’s 11 and he has better vocabulary than me 😮
Ikr lol, but he doesn’t years like me I’ve been on this earth for almost 15 years listen to an old timer like me haha.
*16
15 years and you call yourself an old timer? XD
HURRNERS!!!!!!
#teamsinnoh
Don’t bring it back. It was annoying. 😛
I can’t even anymore xDDDD
I LOVE THIS SHOW <3333
Refresh!
If its not Pokemon it #NotPokemonRelated
Obviouslyp
Actually that’s Sproot’s redesign.
That’s obviously a bubble of Mickey Mouse if he was fat and had Squidward’s nose.
I just wanted to say… I hate you all. <3 *refresh*
<3 :*
It’s because we love you
<33333
So Who am I battling next Afarr or Chico?
I know we all love a specific region immensely but, when we decide to bash at the fans of the respective region in such a manner that it is conceived as hateful or sharp, I do think that’s a cue that we should stop.
I think we aren’t bashing enough!
Can I bash you?
your going to hurt your hands
Do I have hands?
no, and that’s why you cling to tree branches and wait slowly for evolution
Someone gives him some Rare Candy or Rare Juice.
No.
I agree. I think we can all agree that Hoenn is best Korea and Ransei is second best.
http://www.emptylifebar.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/3480120_orig.jpg
Earthen Approves.
LOL
No, it’s that Fan he’s holding the winner of this region war.
Because it’s 2hot4u
Such symmetry! Such perfection!
I and EarthenWarrior and i approve this statement
I have to say Noiv, your picture comments are the best XD
Thank you 😮 xD
They are prime and hilarious X)
I don’t want to be #rood. but bringing stuff up like this just makes problems worse.
I was going to end it with a rhetorical comment but I posted it so, no turning back now! 😀
If people keep bringing it up, it won’t resolve anything and keep reappearing. Food for thought.
Well on a lighter note does anyone wanna battle on pokemon showdown? It’s my first time so I might not be good.
Lets Do It
What’s your username?
Huntark
Here I was, blindly guided by the thought that all was well in the Clan, posting videos about how sad I was at Hunter J’s death, how dark the Sinnoh Saga got, oblivious to the facts around me. I truly am sorry! FORGIVE MY SINS!
I’m here!
Hi senpai!
im not
HI, IM DAISY
You don’t get enough love! It’s all about Peach, isn’t it?
#PEACHFTW watch yourself, senpai!
No no no, it’s the year of Birdo!
EAR OF RUIGI BICHS
#YearofDaisy2015
YES
Give me a map.
I’m gonna do it!! I have to get Tomodachi Life tonight!! I NEED it D:
I want it too. XD All the possibilities!
I’m watching AbdallahSmash’s play through and he’s really making me want to get it!
People on Showdown take forever!!!
Please understand :l
Could be their internet.
What is Showdown?
Smogon’s Battle Sim.
http://i.imgur.com/QnHflW7.png
Heh heh.
(refresh)
Oh I’ve seen this XD
Oh Ash, you had so much potential. But then they killed your relationship with Misty and turned you into a Nuub
Ash had potential? :O lol
He was gonna get married to Misty and have a kid. but the higher ups wanted MO’ MONEY.
http://media.tumblr.com/84abc3e9f75ef22ab4098ab693511f21/tumblr_inline_mi3kox6nSC1qz4rgp.gif
You’ve got this ash keep it together.
http://stevenarch.tymoon.eu/ga/src/131963716773.png
Don’t let them see you cry..
http://fc01.deviantart.net/fs70/i/2012/354/e/1/discussion___the_repetitiveness_of_pokemon_by_evilgidgit-d5on8b1.png
They’re jerks anyways..
http://www.angelfire.com/games5/izumico/Teardrop.jpg
Maybe I’m not good enough..
http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lqkt6vGdIb1qea590.gif
maybe i’m just..
http://i.giftrunk.com/d3fqzq.gif
*shakes*
http://i.imgur.com/M0Np4Fx.jpg
I see Flying is super effective against Fighting is because of aerial advantage. (refresh)
OMG I love this picture! The thing with ice and ground type, that’s exactly how I remember it! XD
I just think of permafrost.
http://syntheticimagination.tumblr.com/post/87516001015/maaan-im-really-into-that-pokefusion-splicing
Sorry for the spams, but these look so awesome!
I approve of the following:
Suiticuno
Leavim
and Milodeen 😮
Like the Gardevoir+Chandelure and Bisharp+Empoleon ones.
If Gamefreak bring back this goddamn rock i’ll quit Pokemon. http://i.imgur.com/iRQZ9Fi.jpg
Why?
that rock is the reason whyi had a permanent rock smash for like 4 gyms
its fine though now because now its a tm right?
It should be replaced with a gate. Have someone standing there to say “No. Go get Gym Badge.”. XD
People blamed Porygon for the seizures yet Pikachu was the main cause. ._.
ROTLMFAO argh. I’m so good @ what I do.
no… I should say I’m blessed.
And that is? 😉
posting in next comment . argh i’m like cheesing so hard
Peeing in bottles?
i like how we won’t let this go
Never let it go.
*obligatory Frozen reference post*
Already ahead of you.
I thought we were done with this! XD
Please
Cascoon right after you beat I actually started to battle good XD
I’m still a noob though.
XD Im sorry
http://i.imgur.com/R5f4Ilg.jpg
Not sure if you guys saw this, but..
(refresh)
It only took 12 eggs. I’m scared to check it’s IV’s because I wasn’t finished breeding the IV’s over on to it. I was trying to hatch a 5 or 6iv LMFAO. Jesus. I’m on a roll with hatching & chain fishing shinies. Remoraid, Chinchou, Tyrogue and now this:
http://oi58.tinypic.com/2m76fc3.jpg
I quit life.
I’m done.
Man. You make it seem like a game of life. Is Shiny Hunting fun? I always thought it was really boring.
It is boring if you don’t have the patience.
It is so fun for me. I love the feeling I get hatching them, specially accidently.
I know that accidental shiny feel.
Accidental Staryu and Tentacool. <3
This is the first time I’ve seen a model of Numel…. It’s fat, but cute :O
Don’t make me cut you, hun
I just checked its IV’s it’s 4IV, HP Atk Def & Sp atk, missing sp def & speed LOL. I’m still happy 🙂 LOOVE it so much
Modest?
Yep!
Jealous.
NUMELLLL
What kind of hands should I give Pyrams final EVO? 😮 This version is Centaur like 😮
I think it should be on 4 legs! XD
http://www.eaudrey.com/myth/images/Centaur.gif
So Fire/Fighting final? XD
I mean, you want to give it hands.
No. Fire electric 😮
Fire/electric? That’s new…
Rotom Heat.
But yeah.
Rotom doesn’t count. It’s a form 😛
Centaurs have hands and arms .-.
Give it a javelin of electricity. 🙂
as it’s arms? O_o
If you want.
Woah woah woah! This isn’t Percy Jackson!
It could be holding a bow with a quiver of lightning arrows :3
I saw the image and the bow and arrow thing made sense to me :3
Maybe a special move called ‘Lightning Arrow’ or ‘Thunder Arrow’ or something.
Quiver arm? 😮 Most pokemon don’t carry weapons so if that were to happen, it would need to be part of it’s design.
That works too. Or a quiver horn :3 Like one of the horns holds the arrows.
http://i.imgur.com/kbMBYvb.png
The combined map of the first 4 regions, aka Japan. (refresh)
I hope Game Freak eventually makes Pokemon versions of all the countries D:
Do you know how many countries there are?
128?
that’s a lot of games.
Worth it.
Well they can combine the Caribbean, I guess… 😛
Not exactly, because politics made it very hard to determine what a country is so there are a lot of different takes on how many countries are there. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4AivEQmfPpk&feature=kp
Should give you an idea.
I’m subscribed to this channel 😀
Heavy should a shiny in 12 eggs and i just hatched 180 eggs no shiny
That kind of luck is unbelievable. My total hatch count is 12,000 something. That means a shiny took 157 eggs for me averagely.
My average is probably in 200s
I really wish i was that lucky :<
But of course average means nothing when I had to hatch around 1000 for my shiny Darmanitan.
Don’t get me started on my 2000+ Noibat hunt
On safari or hatching?
I didn’t hatch my Noibat, I caught it in a safari after 200~ encounters.
I went 2000+ eggs no shiny
But safari was really for hunting 3 days straight
I found in safari
and hatched shiny Tyrogue earlier this morning around the same or so amount of eggs… 20 something
http://oi61.tinypic.com/33dc9eh.jpg
also caught shiny remoraid & shiny chinchou chain fishing, remoraid took 50 something encounters and chinchou took around 80 something. In the same spot.
Chain fishing isn’t long for me, it’s around your range of encounters.
OMG I just bought Tomodachi Life and it’s downloading in sleep mode now 😀 😀 😀 I can’t wait!!!!
Is it like The Sims but more Nintendo-y?
Sorry I’m a noob 😀
>Find Mortimer Goth
>Build Walls around Mortimer Goth
>Make sure he doesn’t escape
>Steal his wife.
Exactly what I did as a child when i played the Sims o__________o xD
Yeah, it is. But A LOT more comical! XD