Wow. . .it’s been quite a while, folks! I’ve been keeping up with the site, but I haven’t posted anything in some time. I’ve been posting more on Retry Level, so you can always look for me there. It’s been a tough balance between the two sites!
I’ve been wanting to do a new Starters Untamed for some time now. Pokémon X and Y released some of the most interesting changes to Pokémon games that we’ve seen in a very long time, so I’ve been eager to write about my thoughts and experience in the competitive play realm as they have changed drastically. With the introduction of the new fairy typing, negated resistances of the powerful steel typing, and mega evolutions have brought in so many new strategies into the mix that at first it was quite overwhelming. Because of the huge influx of new concepts brought to competitive play, there are still pieces that have yet to be fully analyzed and tested out. The analysis of this generation of starters will be purely opinionated and, as always, up for (constructive) debate.
This generation’s starters are probably the most interesting that we’ve ever seen. Each contain their complementing dual type that helps counter their opposing foe. Not only that, each starter has their own hidden ability and attacks unique to their own species (aside from Klefki). First up we have Chesnaught, the spiny armor Pokémon. This is the first time we’ve had a non-reptilian grass starter, which has received some mixed feedback (especially from its’ deceptive transition to an awkward looking final evolution). This beefy, intimidating rodent (?) is dawned with the grass/fighting typing, an interesting match up only seen in Breloom and Virizion. It’s stats cater primarily towards a physically strong Pokémon that excels in tanking and physical offense. It’s HP/ATK/DEF clock in at 88/107/122 respectively, which is nothing to take lightly. However, the remaining SpATK, SpDef, and SPD stats are relatively low, only reaching 74/75/64, which leaves Chesnaught vulnerable to the numerous special sweepers that plague competitively play. Its typing, however, acts as a double edged sword. It has plenty of resistances and types that its strong against, but it also comes with six common weaknesses, which include the new fairy typing.
What I love most about Chesnaught is its movepool. It comes with all of the best physical grass type moves like Seed Bomb and Wood Hammer, and it can also learn plenty of useful TMs like Dragon Claw, Stone Edge, Swords Dance, and Earthquake. Perhaps the most interesting thing about Chesnaught is its access to its signature move, Spiky Shield. This moves acts exactly like protect, but damages the opponent if physical contact is made. If playing a more defensive Chesnaught, this combined with Leech Seed can really throw off your opponent by maintaining health and consistent chip damage.
Overall, Chesnaught is a decent addition to the grass type starters and works well up there with the likes of Torterra as far as being a physical tank. Its typing doesn’t really do it any favors, but access to Spiky Shield and other great attacks make it a worthy addition to any team.
Next up we have Delphox, the magical fox Pokémon. Fennekin was easily the fan favorite when the starters were released. We awaited eagerly to see what its final evolution would look like, and Delphox came to us as quite a surprise. Its probably one of the most human-like Pokémon that we’ve seen, and the addition to its magical wand gives it loads of character (not to mention its cry is absolutely horrific). Unfortunately, what Delphox has in aesthetics, it lacks in its abilities as a solid Pokémon. It has the stats of a decent special sweeper, clocking in at 114/100/104 SpAtk, SpDef, and SPD respectively. Its defensive stats aren’t doing it any favors, which make Delphox quite frail if up against a strong, quick opponent. Its typing, fire/psychic, is not the greatest as it leaves it open to the common ghost and dark types, which often out-speed it. Its movepool is a bit of a mixed bag and seems to have lost its identity somewhere in its creation. Should Delphox play its role as a special sweeper? Is it more of a support attacker? It doesn’t have the speed to function well in the sweeping department, and its not defensive enough to remain a support teammate.
I’d have to say that Delphox is sadly the worst of the three starters. It doesn’t excel in any one role in competitive play, which leaves it open to plenty of counters and switch ins. It’s unfortunate as it’s such a cool Pokémon with great concepts and a great design, but it falls short in being anything offensive or anything supportive. There are simply more Pokémon out there to fill this role that can do the job much better than Delphox.
This leaves us with Greninja, the ninja Pokémon. Greninja was probably the biggest surprise for all of us; not many of us were expecting a ninja with its tongue used as a scarf. Greninja not only excels in the coolness factor, but its also a fantastic Pokémon to use. The best of the three starters, really. These are the stats that Delphox should have had; 103/122 in SpAtk and SPD, which allow Greninja to outspeed most of the standard metagame. Its attack also clocks in at 95, which make it a formidable candidate as a physical sweeper, too. Its typing, water and dark, provide far more benefits than counters, however it does leave it open to the new fairy type that plagues the battlefield. Better yet, its movepool is everything we could have hoped and dreamed for in a sweeper. Access to moves like Dark Pulse, Ice Beam, Surf, Grass Knot, U-Turn, Toxic Spikes, and Acrobatics make it difficult to see what Greninja is going to throw out at you.
What makes Greninja so amazing is not just its diverse movepool and useful typing. Its ability, Protean, is arguably one of the most useful Pokémon abilities out there. Protean changes Greninjas type to whatever move it uses. For example, using Ice Beam will change you to a pure ice type. Next, use Grass Knot to change yourself into a pure grass type. This makes Greninja essentially impossible to counter, and it also makes every single move a stab move. This ability alone makes Greninja one of the most versatile Pokémon you can use in a competitive team.
However, Greninja is far from being in the uber tiers. Thankfully, GameFreak balanced out its stats by making it extremely frail, with its HP, Def, and SpDef clocking in at a mere 72/67/71. Also, Greninja isn’t exactly the most powerful attacker out there. It can be a bit difficult for it to 1HKO opponents that are specially defensive or physically defensive, leaving Greninja open to counter measures. Tanks like Blissey and Ferrothorn can take whatever Greninja throws at them (save for attacks not specialized in their defensive stat).
What do you guys think of this generations starters? Do you have a particular favorite? Agree or disagree with my analysis? I’m curious to see how the future generations of starters will compare to this generation. We saw a ton of changes in Pokémon X and Y, most of them necessary to keep the series alive. Hopefully we’ll continue to see more positive changes in the future!

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![delphox[1]](https://pokejungle.net/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/delphox1.gif)
![greninja[1]](https://pokejungle.net/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/greninja1.gif)









Alright i’m ready to trade
Just to let you know i only have started breeding this lil guys yesterday night so the iv’s aren’t amazing
a guy gave me a shiny machamp for a plain old electavire why oh why
I have a Shiny Machamp too
I got a EV trained Wash Rotom XD
everyone has that overused thing
I know 😛 I haven’t use it and I won’t most likely
not me 🙁 boohoo (i’m fine)
yay mudkip 😀 thanks
Enjoy
I really like how Korrina was my favorite character this gen and I just happen to get a fighting friend safari with a riolu in it xD
Sadly that they have all the titular characters and most trainer classes for Icons except my Class Hiker
well i’m heading out. gonna check halo follower and then gonna watch fine bros
see ya
Shiny Hunting 😀
😀
good luck!
Nvm I magically lost all my money again -_-
Someone wants a Arceus for a Keldeo
sure o.o
xD
unless you were joking LOL
Nope
ok 😀 just gimme a minute, im in the resturant, battling.
Y u fighting in a pub(llic) place?:
No duhh
The GTS is the most unrealistic trading center in the world
where people put common pokemon and ask for legends
And then the people who do it in reverse and get trolled
Is that the GTS? How’d they put the Keldeo in, in the first place?
On PSS but I sure some people have cheated some in
Oooh. Though it sounds like an OK deal. They’re both events anyways.
Trying to chain fish 😛
move chain breeding is annoying -3-
xD I think it is fun
Good morning peeps! Anything new, or just some more speculation?
morning!
want a natural curse chansey with seismic toss and aromatheraphy? 😀
No thanks. 😀
If there was anything new, you’d see a post about it.
Uggggggg you win first place then lose in dead last the next race, taking away the points you just won
:c that sucks a lot
I know but then it all changes after u get 2 1st Places in a row and decide to quit when your ahead
Well, going to go now. Bye!
*Is lookin’ for shiny Luvdisc*
So i’m trying to find a good stat build for a Gogoat, any ideas?
Gogoat @ Leftovers
Ability: Sap-Sipper
Nature: Careful
EVs: 252 HP / 252 SpDef / 4 Def
– Horn Leech / Leaf Blade
– Rock Slide / Earthquake / Payback
– Bulk Up
– Substitute / Milk Drink
This is similar to Snorlax’s Curse Rest set, except for Gogoat.
Source: Smogon
Sounds perfect
this ones better XD or at least the most used one outta more common sets 😀
how about:
Gogoat @ Life Orb (or leftovers)
Ability: Sap Sipper
Level: 50
EVs: 252 Atk / 100 HP / 136 SDef / 20 Spd
Adamant Nature
– Earthquake
– Horn Leech
– Milk Drink
– Rock Slide
This is more offensive from out of the gate. For this one, I’d probably just rely on Horn Leech for recovery, so I’d put in Sub or Bulk up.
Yeah and this is more of a switch in blocker
I like this set. With rock slide you get flinching. With horn leech you could heal if you do a lot of damage. With milk drink you can heal a lot without wasting a turn using horn leech because sometimes you won’t do a lot of damage and EQ is well EQ
;-; worse thing ever when a pre-evo learns a move but not the next evo DX
I know the feeling although Swinub learns Ice Shard before he evolves
I say like trying to get a Breloom with Spore
yes DX right now i was trying to get scraggy to learn focus punch but i thought scrafty could too .. so i evolved him and now i had to reset and start over from level 25 =3=
I am surprised fpunch isn’t a tm anymore. It should be in ORAS
TM01 for life
Well Focus Punch was introduced in gen 3
yea :c
i also miss dive XD i hope that returns in them. that was one of my fav things in the game. underwater dungeons and caves.
Dive is pretty much guaranteed to return because it’s needed for the Story
I wonder if Dive would be better for my Future Swampert because the standard Waterfall has grown tiresome
Dive is good because you dodge an attack but waterfall for flinching but since he is too slow for that it is pretty much your call
Yeah you’ll dodge the attack but you’ll be vulnerable but consistent attacks are also important
Exactly. And not really vulnerable. First turn if you are slow you take an attack then you use dive then they have an attack and you use dive. Protect ruins it and so does water absorbing abilities
Well you need your relicanth for Regis! 🙂 I like dive too
relicanth and wailord~
I know I just meant you need to dive for the relicanth not wailord
And ziia good call on sap sipper. I regret not giving it to my miltank
That’s pretty much the entire reason why i’m considering Gogoat
Good choice 🙂 miltank with sap sipper… Why didn’t I choose that??? Mine is I believe max speed max attack maybe hp she could’ve benefitted well from being hit by a grass attack
And those damn spore and sleep powders!
That’s it…you now sold me earthen. Time to make a new miltank
Like me and my new Mudkip and Heracross
i thought Moxie was the way to go but Guts is too valuable
Well having battled you, both should work fine for you.
dont worry XD my miltank has thick fat too, but its helped a whole lot.
Um… Yeah I chose miltank because I saw a good battle on YouTube and thought she would be interesting…mine has scrappy XD
What team do you expect to have by the E4?
In ORAS?
Yes xD
Blaziken/Swampert
Ludicolo/Exploud
Hariyama
Aggron
Grumpig
Flygon
OMG see??? Ludicolo I want exploud I want flygon grumpig. I am having a hard enough time deciding starter…
Parts of me want Torchic for Omega while Mudip for Alpha but i feel like i might be choosing Mudkip for both
and this would be a big deal since i’ve never chose a Water type for a main game
What? Seriously? That’s hard to believe since swampert is ground
I know but i chose Torchic when i was a kid and it was the first Pokemon i’ve ever leveled to 100 without cheating
And the thing with me is well I love all the starters. Sceptile now gets dragon type so that’s one. Swampert is awesome looking and should hit hard 🙂 and blaziken I chose torchic the first time I played ruby which was my first pokemon game but since his mega isn’t new it’s iffy but he has such a good adventure ability being speed boost
Mine is coming soon xD with deep thought into natures and personalities
If ORAS
Idk on starter still hard for me to choose
Masquerain
Maybe sableye because of mega
Camerupt
Groudon (need to go back to using legends now)
Swellow
As you can see I am not certain who I want to use because there are so many of favorites in hoenn to choose I may play it out like this: use pokemon and as I find a new pokemon I want to use I switch idk yet
AS Team as of E4 for my Story (WIP)
Marshtomp
Pelipper
Sableye
Cacturne
Rhydon
Kecleon
Marshtomp? Not swampert?
Yup ;3
May I ask why?
Stories and I like him better 😀
Swampert
Altaria (Drake)
Dusclops or Dusknoir (Phoebe)
Glalie (Glacia)
Cacturne (Sidney)
Milotic or Aggron (Wallace or Steven)
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1oRU5frc1VXpP_Xp5f-PnbBvEM2lqWnxarc0DtccyNkc/
I just realized something
I CAN TEACH ROCK TOMB TO EVERYONE NOW!!!!!!!!!!
LOL
also wow , it’d be awesome if you threw gogoat on your ground team. now water and grass will never be a problem again!
But then it wouldn’t be a Ground type Team
but then i would have to take somebody out and everyone has a major part to play
true x: maybe it could just be a team of whatever XD like maybe throw in another random type too that you like -shrugs-
you should use a slaking.
it cant get hit by will-o-wisp
and es powerful
but dat ability is phat
Uhhhh Slaking can totally be burnt and only rely on Facade
Ugh I thought willowisp was ghost type for some reason XD
Actually I think will o wisp can hurt anybody but fire types
And it’s actually fire type
I gotta go hand in a resume so i’ll catch y’all later
weird Catch em all
Ketchum
and you know my last name is Ketchell……which people mistake for Ketchum
Ian Ketchell 4 president
See you later earthen!!! 🙂 lol didn’t know your last name that is so funny and coincidental
Ian Ketchell
Ash Ketchum
And I think his name is ketchum for that reason because they pronounce catch em like ketchum
good luck ! ^^
Yeah and good luck!!
Time to hatch some Ralts eggs 😀
lol ur wally
After I finish making Steven Stone’s team, battling regi yesterday inspired me to continue and make my Grass type team <3
You are making stevens team??? Cradily included?????
Yes XP
Awesome!! Love cradily. One of my favorite champions because of his team
Same! 😀 Also still debating if I should use Mega Aggron or not
I actually had a good set for a mega aggron but couldn’t remember. Tbh he would have mega metagross (still wondering why he has mega charizard x) but mega aggron for x and y is a smart idea
Thing is I have another idea for Aggron and am hoping we’ll get that Mega in ORAS for Metagross just so it’d be much more normal xD I’ll run some calcs, see which set serves a better purpose for his team xD
It’s Good to see which works better.
I got one… for an end-game sweeper.
Aggron @ Aggronite
Ability: Sturdy
EVs: 252 Spd / 252 Atk / 4 HP
Adamant Nature
– Earthquake, Iron Head, Rock Slide, Rock Polish
Good enough?
that sounds pretty rad
CradILY
I have been looking a lot into using an Armaldo as well.
I agree.
I love the idea though. I have never thought about making a team based on someone in game
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1oRU5frc1VXpP_Xp5f-PnbBvEM2lqWnxarc0DtccyNkc/edit
Thar be my team(s)
Okay making (a) team(s) based off from PJN members 😀 any takers?
Use any UU pokemon and you have pretty much every PJ member in a team XD
xD True
Here are some of the favorite Pokemon of PJN ppl that I know:
Sableye
Diancie
Xatu
Rhyperior
Swampert
Sceptile
Azumarill (me)
Dedenne
Noivern
Gogoat
What do you mean Azumarill (me)
Oh, Azumarill is my favorite Pokemon of all time (of all time)!
Ok 🙂
May
She’s not a Pokemon! 🙂
Okay 😀
http://th07.deviantart.net/fs70/PRE/f/2014/162/7/6/mega_relicanth_by_smiley_fakemon-d7lxy32.png
http://th03.deviantart.net/fs70/PRE/f/2014/164/d/4/mega_tropius_by_smiley_fakemon-d7m90l4.png
http://fc03.deviantart.net/fs70/f/2014/166/b/5/mega_swellow_by_phatmon66-d7mhyn9.png
http://fc01.deviantart.net/fs70/f/2014/137/d/f/mega_kecleon_by_phatmon66-d7iql1n.png
http://fc02.deviantart.net/fs70/f/2014/159/9/c/mega_kingdra_by_phatmon66-d7le0fi.png
LEAKS!!!!!!!!!
Kidding.
Don’t like all of them some of them are really good tbh. Can always count on you noivern for cool posts 🙂
Thanks for that last part :3 I picked the ones i found on deviantart that actually seemed believable xD
Idk about relicanth
It’s alright but it’s believable.
The proposed Mega Kecleon reminds me of Scrafty.
It looks a lot better than Scrafty 😮
True, though it seems like it’s holding up some invisible oversized pants.
I was suppost to say that D:
Oh well OMG LEAKS
I posted this the other day but can you guys imagine swellow with gale wings power herb and sky attack. I think I posted mega but realized he would have to hole mega stone
Modest, Scrappy, Choice Specs, Boomburst Swellow mmhmmm
That’s great!!!!! I should try it
I thought you said:
Modestly crappy, but full of choices and speculation, BOOM Swellow
Lol why? XD
Idk xD
You know it’s funny I recognize your name but have only seen you recently. Idk why but did you ever have a different name.
http://fc06.deviantart.net/fs70/i/2014/162/3/c/mega_sharpedo_and_mega_camerupt__fkmn__by_seyanni-d7ly5sz.jpg
Yes please.
Camuerupt seems like Torkoal
Well you can’t go wrong with torkoal
Could be a fusion just like Kyurem and Resh/Zek. 😀
I hope they get normal evolutions
I don’t. They need megas. Normal evos for these two don’t make sense. They already look complete.
They are also too good to get better unless with megas XD
They’re already confirmed to get megas with Maxie and Archie having mega stuff and Archie having the X on his face and Maxie having the three circles on his glasses :3
I wouldn’t say confirmed yet XD
They could be holding the Primal stones for Kyorge and Groudon
I feel like the magma stone and aqua stone they used to awaken them could end up being the primal stones
X on Archie’s face. Sharpedo has an X on it’s face.
Three circles on Maxie’s glasses. Camerupt has three circles on it’s body :3
Ok I was a little confused. But I get it now
460BST isn’t very good…
Really?? That’s it?? Well speed boost sharpedo is insane
But Camerupt is very weak
Bruh he is a lava camel
Thats why when it gets a mega it will be 560 BST
A normal evolution can’t give it a 100 BST boost