Wow. . .it’s been quite a while, folks! I’ve been keeping up with the site, but I haven’t posted anything in some time. I’ve been posting more on Retry Level, so you can always look for me there. It’s been a tough balance between the two sites!
I’ve been wanting to do a new Starters Untamed for some time now. Pokémon X and Y released some of the most interesting changes to Pokémon games that we’ve seen in a very long time, so I’ve been eager to write about my thoughts and experience in the competitive play realm as they have changed drastically. With the introduction of the new fairy typing, negated resistances of the powerful steel typing, and mega evolutions have brought in so many new strategies into the mix that at first it was quite overwhelming. Because of the huge influx of new concepts brought to competitive play, there are still pieces that have yet to be fully analyzed and tested out. The analysis of this generation of starters will be purely opinionated and, as always, up for (constructive) debate.
This generation’s starters are probably the most interesting that we’ve ever seen. Each contain their complementing dual type that helps counter their opposing foe. Not only that, each starter has their own hidden ability and attacks unique to their own species (aside from Klefki). First up we have Chesnaught, the spiny armor Pokémon. This is the first time we’ve had a non-reptilian grass starter, which has received some mixed feedback (especially from its’ deceptive transition to an awkward looking final evolution). This beefy, intimidating rodent (?) is dawned with the grass/fighting typing, an interesting match up only seen in Breloom and Virizion. It’s stats cater primarily towards a physically strong Pokémon that excels in tanking and physical offense. It’s HP/ATK/DEF clock in at 88/107/122 respectively, which is nothing to take lightly. However, the remaining SpATK, SpDef, and SPD stats are relatively low, only reaching 74/75/64, which leaves Chesnaught vulnerable to the numerous special sweepers that plague competitively play. Its typing, however, acts as a double edged sword. It has plenty of resistances and types that its strong against, but it also comes with six common weaknesses, which include the new fairy typing.
What I love most about Chesnaught is its movepool. It comes with all of the best physical grass type moves like Seed Bomb and Wood Hammer, and it can also learn plenty of useful TMs like Dragon Claw, Stone Edge, Swords Dance, and Earthquake. Perhaps the most interesting thing about Chesnaught is its access to its signature move, Spiky Shield. This moves acts exactly like protect, but damages the opponent if physical contact is made. If playing a more defensive Chesnaught, this combined with Leech Seed can really throw off your opponent by maintaining health and consistent chip damage.
Overall, Chesnaught is a decent addition to the grass type starters and works well up there with the likes of Torterra as far as being a physical tank. Its typing doesn’t really do it any favors, but access to Spiky Shield and other great attacks make it a worthy addition to any team.
Next up we have Delphox, the magical fox Pokémon. Fennekin was easily the fan favorite when the starters were released. We awaited eagerly to see what its final evolution would look like, and Delphox came to us as quite a surprise. Its probably one of the most human-like Pokémon that we’ve seen, and the addition to its magical wand gives it loads of character (not to mention its cry is absolutely horrific). Unfortunately, what Delphox has in aesthetics, it lacks in its abilities as a solid Pokémon. It has the stats of a decent special sweeper, clocking in at 114/100/104 SpAtk, SpDef, and SPD respectively. Its defensive stats aren’t doing it any favors, which make Delphox quite frail if up against a strong, quick opponent. Its typing, fire/psychic, is not the greatest as it leaves it open to the common ghost and dark types, which often out-speed it. Its movepool is a bit of a mixed bag and seems to have lost its identity somewhere in its creation. Should Delphox play its role as a special sweeper? Is it more of a support attacker? It doesn’t have the speed to function well in the sweeping department, and its not defensive enough to remain a support teammate.
I’d have to say that Delphox is sadly the worst of the three starters. It doesn’t excel in any one role in competitive play, which leaves it open to plenty of counters and switch ins. It’s unfortunate as it’s such a cool Pokémon with great concepts and a great design, but it falls short in being anything offensive or anything supportive. There are simply more Pokémon out there to fill this role that can do the job much better than Delphox.
This leaves us with Greninja, the ninja Pokémon. Greninja was probably the biggest surprise for all of us; not many of us were expecting a ninja with its tongue used as a scarf. Greninja not only excels in the coolness factor, but its also a fantastic Pokémon to use. The best of the three starters, really. These are the stats that Delphox should have had; 103/122 in SpAtk and SPD, which allow Greninja to outspeed most of the standard metagame. Its attack also clocks in at 95, which make it a formidable candidate as a physical sweeper, too. Its typing, water and dark, provide far more benefits than counters, however it does leave it open to the new fairy type that plagues the battlefield. Better yet, its movepool is everything we could have hoped and dreamed for in a sweeper. Access to moves like Dark Pulse, Ice Beam, Surf, Grass Knot, U-Turn, Toxic Spikes, and Acrobatics make it difficult to see what Greninja is going to throw out at you.
What makes Greninja so amazing is not just its diverse movepool and useful typing. Its ability, Protean, is arguably one of the most useful Pokémon abilities out there. Protean changes Greninjas type to whatever move it uses. For example, using Ice Beam will change you to a pure ice type. Next, use Grass Knot to change yourself into a pure grass type. This makes Greninja essentially impossible to counter, and it also makes every single move a stab move. This ability alone makes Greninja one of the most versatile Pokémon you can use in a competitive team.
However, Greninja is far from being in the uber tiers. Thankfully, GameFreak balanced out its stats by making it extremely frail, with its HP, Def, and SpDef clocking in at a mere 72/67/71. Also, Greninja isn’t exactly the most powerful attacker out there. It can be a bit difficult for it to 1HKO opponents that are specially defensive or physically defensive, leaving Greninja open to counter measures. Tanks like Blissey and Ferrothorn can take whatever Greninja throws at them (save for attacks not specialized in their defensive stat).
What do you guys think of this generations starters? Do you have a particular favorite? Agree or disagree with my analysis? I’m curious to see how the future generations of starters will compare to this generation. We saw a ton of changes in Pokémon X and Y, most of them necessary to keep the series alive. Hopefully we’ll continue to see more positive changes in the future!

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![delphox[1]](https://pokejungle.net/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/delphox1.gif)
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So, GF now has a new music-making company or something I forgot what it was ._.
Maybe this new music company will be EVEN BETTER than the other one, since this one is newer and probably has more advanced technology.
I can’t wait to hear their music in ORAS!!! 😀
I wonder when music will start to get leaked…
You know what they should do? Hire Joe Hisaishi to make music for Pokémon Games. (He’s the one responsible for most Ghibli Studio movie’s music).
No.
*insert Zekrom’s death stare in Amie*
lol jk :3
Well as long as their is trumpets, I’m good… Just kidding. Though they would be nice to have, i would much rather have the music be put together very well, with instruments whose sound flow together as they are played.
If Game Freak ever added new Pokéballs again, what kind of Pokéballs would you like to see them make?
If one of my theories come true, and we can catch pokémon in the Distortion World (in the Sinnoh Remakes/Sequels of course), then I’d like a blue and black Distortion Ball the increases the chances of catching Pokémon in the Distortion World.
Shiny Ball! Only works on shinies :3
Would they work 100% of the time or just have an extremely high chance of catching them?
Same catch rate as an Ultra Ball
Assuming that you could find one and catch one.
But even then, people would prefer to breed it…
True.. Maybe it is the ball that shiny bred pokemon would be in? That could work.. I think?
If the parent Pokémon is captured with Shiny Ball, the offspring’s chance of being shiny is increased by 200%. There, that would be better. 🙂
Like we need shinies to be easier to get xP
Hmmm lets see
I want some interesting
like a Rising Ball, Pokemon gain 5% Experience boost from battles
maybe Fire, Water and Leaf Balls similar to Moon Balls
Glimmer Ball?
I want a Sun Ball.
Easier to catch pokemon that evolve with a Sun Stone.
Or a Bright Ball.
Easier to catch pokemon during the day (or outside).
Vitality Ball:
The more HP a pokemon has, the higher the catch rate.
Goooooodnight sexy people (me!)
You’re not Sexy.
You are ugly.
Rawst Berry! get your Rawst Berry!
Do you have any rocks?
Only the ones I’m gonna throw at you.
I pull my arm down like a slot machine
picture of rocks appear on my protector plates
and rocks start flooding out of my other palm
It took us this long to question Licky’s Goodnight Statements?
Lol I was feeling risky XD
#YOLO
#LLL
Livin like larry
Even better!
Me would like to tell you that he appreciates that.
Oh hey Blaq you still here?
Things That Are Incorrect:
Vol. 1
http://i.imgur.com/158kKPc.png
What are the other volumes? I would really like to find out
Things that are incorrect:
Vol. 2
“Hoenn was bad”
I know right?
It should be is*
No.
Heh heh.
No.
Hoenn wasn’t / isn’t bad
^^Things that are correct Vol. 1
Gamestop on ORAS’s release dat be like
http://cdn.makeagif.com/media/6-15-2014/vJSVKQ.gif
O__O
Guys this so badass
To bad we didn’t have a Gallade commenter that rustled my jimmies
http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x245/EchoHunter007/Pokemon/1244678690842.png
That can be arranged…
Don’t you’ve all seen me when my jimmies are rustled and that ain’t a good side of me
Hoenn was an amazingly beautiful region.
I agree
Thank you
o_o
Not sure if Max…
I am djja.
Lies.
De javu detected.
*Djja vu detected
I am not Djja.
I am Djjalpha sapphire.
Then you just contradicted yourself….
But it’s true.
Djja don’t have to make sense!
Djja don’t give a $%@&!
He’s not Djja, like he said… so…
I’m Djjalpha sapphire?
I agree.
Djja’s just too hyped for Hoenn. That’s all.
Who isn’t?
Satan.
He’s just jealous. XD
Hoenn and Heaven both start with “H” and end with “n”! 😀
He was always stubborn
you just agreed with yourself
AND THANKED YOURSELF
Whats so wrong with having faith in what I say 😉
well the word narcissism comes to mind
Or the word “truth” does
I agree
Thank you.
Thank you!
I assume you want one of those for Sableye 😛
I want to pound its face into the dirt
and i want to use a Megahorn Drill run!
i thought that was from pokemon conquest
That awkward moment when the Devon Corporation hasn’t completed Pokémon Dream Cloud Technology, and you whistle and hide your Dream Radar Pokémon from Mr. Stone.
I actually think that’s where the dream thing will be! 😀
Even if it wasn’t completed in Hoenn’s Timeline, and it was Professor Fennel that completed it a few years later in Unova?
When has GF followed the rules XD
Touché. 😀
So i found this on Bulbapedia just now in the pokeballs section… kinda disturbed now.
Didn’t they have a gigantic pokeball designed to capture a gigantic Haunter or Gengar or whatever ghost it was?
A giant one was used to catch a giant claydol
(one of the best episodes of the pokemon anime ever)
If only i could find that Pokeball
My connection to the clay it was made from should allow me to either befriend it or control it
Wobbuffet’s crossdressing though.
10/10
http://fc08.deviantart.net/fs71/f/2010/118/1/c/Maid_Wobbuffet_by_Tatsu_San.jpg
love me
loved that part
when Ash threw a regular pokeball at the Claydol… Oh the look on his face afterwards when it didn’t work… Priceless
When they dressed as eggplants <3
Such a good episode. Have to watch it again
That and the episode where the whiscash eats the masterball
I think they did… Was that in pokemopolis?
ever seen the one where the zombie Arbok gets sliced in half?
Yes.
What about those zombie Pokémon?
And the psyduck melts XD
Yes… And i will never get those nights afterward back… That was back when i thought pokemon couldn’t die and then Blue just commanded his charmeleon to do that… Even though it lived, it was pretty scary in a manga. Or were you talking about something else?
Kill it with fire.
It’s already gone through enough pain ;~;
Charizard it! XD
No, just let it stay in its pokeball
My favorite episode of the pokemon anime has to be “Do I hear a ralts.”
It’s just too perfect <3
Aw, I loved that episode 😀
Max must return with that Ralts!!! Bonus points if it’s fully evolved!
I’ll be counting down the days until it happens.
and bonnie x max happens
*in high pitched voice* And they’ll both have Fairies!!! OMG!!! So OTP!!!
Anyone else watching Claydol big and tall
ME TOO! 😀
@Big_Ol_Booty:disqus I know you would love this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CpRuIfzJm-U
I LOVE IT
I love It!
Its missing a part of the song i like though
Wow
Pretty good. 🙂
ORAS prediction music 4 hoenn highlights plz? :3
Sounds completely awesome :3
The regis are hawt af
http://25.media.tumblr.com/ade2886f17cf22917ccf2ca01c786aae/tumblr_mm1x96watM1rpanb5o1_500.jpg
I agree.
Why can’t I stop staring at them! 😀
“My dots are up here.”
Regis: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pSMQYDYBALY
He should have just chuck Pokeballs at them. If they fail to catch they, they will at least stall them.
http://31.media.tumblr.com/8ce84228c3d87759e7fb6d37b8c89c01/tumblr_n511efngSB1r0ksl5o1_500.png
IK this is not Pokemon related. But Grezzo the creators of Ocarina of Time 3D are seeking new staff members. They said “Would you like to make a ‘legend’ with us?”. Majora’s Mask plz. 😉
On WiiU. Not 3DS.
Dat Moon in HD.
Hai dere NL :3
I PMd u 🙂
How do I see a PM for disqus
On Chatango 😛
So everyone here planning to get Smash on the release date?
3DS version
Everyone is getting Smash upon release.
Not Plumpkaboo
… though he is one of the few people here that have Unova as their favorite region
I like Unova
that’s where i found Excadrill
and he and i share a unbreakable bond
Is it your favorite region?
I don’t know
Well I goes you aren’t apart of that few lol
Not me. It’s going to be sold out! I’m going to wait for 2 Weeks or 1 Month. Same as I did with X/Y!
How do you know?
There will always be one store with at least one copy of it. Unless you live in a city with a lot of gamers.
YES 😀
I may not be able to get the Wii U Version, but 3DS, you bet I will! 😀
So far, Ash has met at least one Elite Four Member in each new series. If he was to meet a Kalos E4 member, who would it be?
Malva or Drasna
http://i.imgur.com/QpQcytz.jpg
Redesigns :3 Might look a BIT different wen sprited. Specifically the fire starter :3
The goat looks like a mad Skiddo! XD
No es skiddo >.< xD That's like saying that Goldeen and Magikarp look alike 😮
Oooo i like the bumps on Atlagoo
and i loke the definition in Pyram’s snout
very well done
Thank you :3 I realized today that Pyram looked a bit simplistic in my original design and it was missing a snout 😮 The horns are on fire btw. As for Atlagoo, I made the headpiece thingy, Armor i guess you could call it appear a bit less flat by connecting it to the shell thing on the back :3
Well i thought Atlagoo was a Sea Slug with Sea Butterfly tributes
I see it going into a Slug cuttlefish then a loch ness slug dragon
That would be pretty awesome. Not sure what to evolve it into seeing as i planned for it to be Water/Poison for a type effectiveness thing but realized that Poison effects aren’t super effective on Grass/Rock. So, i might need to change that to Water/Ice o_o
Water-Poison : Poisonous ooze drips out from the shell thing on it’s back as a defense mechanism and the bumps become spikes.
Water-Ice: The shell over takes more of the body to provide warmth and the backbumps turn into ice crystals :3
Lets stick with the water/poison
what if the back dripped poison that hardened into a defensive shell
That would be pretty interesting.
I’ll see which type would make more sense design wise and effectively 😮 we could also hold a poll for it.
Because i reminds me on how mollusks calcify intruding matter into pears
what if its Poison could calcify/solidify into a special armor made out of pure poison
but how to make it work in a way it looks and feels good is the true test
So let me get this straight with you people, as I triple-check my upcoming games list. For 2014 on the Wii U, we have Hyrule Warriors, Captain Toad: Treasure Tracker, Smash Wii U, and the games I won’t be getting, Bayonetta 2 and Sonic Boom: Rise of Lyric. For 2014 on the 3DS, we have only Smash 3DS and Pokemon ORAS, along with Sonic Boom whatever? Is all this correct?
You might want to reconsider Bayonetta. It looks pretty cool 😮 I had the chance to get the original on gamecube for like $5 but i passed on it, knowing pretty much nothing about it. Also what about splatoon and codename S.T.E.A.M ? 😮
Those are 2015. You know me and my lists; I have separate ones for 2014 and 2015, and one for each system. :3
Ah. Okay. I didn’t know 😮
Well I know me and my lists 😛 And about Bayonetta 2, I’m not even of age for M-rated games yet, nor would I be allowed to at my home. As much as it interests me, I can’t.
That’s quite interesting. Most parents let their kids play M for mature games. *Cough* Call of Duty. >.> I remember going into gamestop at the age of twelve with my dad to buy Devil May Cry (Which is a hack and slash game that is rated M) xD
I think your parents are just lenient. I have a childhood friend who played Halo since he was 10 or 11, because his parents were.
I don’t like S.T.E.A.M but it’s not bad! I rather stick to FE and AW. Splatoon was really fun! I would play it!
True. It seems interesting but the graphical style doesn’t really catch my attention. I loved the illustrations in Fire Emblem Awakening :3
Same here! If they went of an anime art-style with the “Steampunk” setting it would have worked out better! I dislike the comic book art-style!
Gamecube? I think you mean for PS3/Xbox 360 bc the original Beyonetta did not come out for the Gamecube good sir lol
I’m glad your not getting SB: Rise of Lyric. It’s turning out bad. Get the 3DS one!
You forgot Diciemon: Dedenne Version on 3DS 😀
Don’t worry! I pre-order that for Shiny too!
I know this is probably too late but can we please have a favorite region poll soon?
We have not had one since before X and Y, i really like to see the results 😀
No it’s okay.
I think we would have a few cheaters
How, I can’t vote twice?
I kid. I’ll tell paul
Thanks 😀
This is why you are my favorite Mod 😀
Since OR/AS are coming out. Many people are going to vote for Hoenn! I believe! XD
True the favorite region poll is kinda out of the blue, but i have wanted to see one after X and Y
I wonder what will win. XD
I wonder who will lose
On most internet polls i see Hoenn is the most liked
And Unova is the least favorites
Not even N could save Unova? :'(
I understand why. Game Freak should never again force us to not use old gen Pokémon. I was going to use the new ones anway, but I don’t like how the old gen mon were completely segregated pre game in BW.
I actually like Unova ;~;
I like Unova, its just not my favorite
I do too. I just loath BW.
B/W 2 is where it’s at 😉
Me too, Every gen I try to use the new Mons
They could do it again. It gives a new feel without depending on the past! But I loved Unova!
Yea, but a lot of people hated BW because they did that
Truth be told! XD
I actually liked that, although I also liked how for B2W2 the oldies were there.
Really? Unova is in my top 3
I really hope ORAS has some pre order surprise if you pre order ORAS
I wish they have a figurine! Just like they did for HG/SS! 😀
Also Platinum!
I remember my Giratina figurine…
My teacher took it away ;~;
Aw! Yeah I have mine. My gamestop never gave me a lugia fig with my SoulSilver 🙁
ME NEITHER!!!! D:
INJUSTICE!!!
I actually liked Unova more than most other regions ;~;
my list is
Hoenn
Unova
the others
I hope Sinnoh is at the top of the “others”.
It is! :3
Well isn’t that convenient 😀
Well it’s at the bottom but I didnt hate, I liked t, but not as much as other regions.
It actually had a lot to offer, but I wasn’t too in love with it.
Sinnoh is the very bottom where it belongs 😀
Wait, I thought you loved Sinnoh XD
Why does everyone think that??!?
I have no idea, I just have a defined memory that you did.
I love it. Its a pokemon region I have to love it, but compared to the other games too me it was just not my taste… at all
no poll 4 u
wow rood #iwantdivorce
Please don’t be like this 😡
Don’t be like what hun
I juss want a poll im sowwy i dissed Sinnoh, wanna kiss on the cheek from me?
If dat ho cheats on me again he gon have his booty thrown out of the house
I ain’t!
Good boy.
Come here i wasn’t done 😉
xoxoxoxoxo
Hoenn
Unova/Kanto
others
@Big_Ol_Booty:disqus Here’s your Mega Walrein!
I LOVEEEE ITTGT!!!!{H(!RP@#Ig1hvpi
Ummhhh… Your welcome! haha
It’s beautiful ;~;
Dude. That is sexy.
Thanks, I drew it like a French model! lol
This one is particularly striking. 😀
Why is that? Please do tell.
It’s majestic af XD
Oh, um…I just think it has tons of detail and a striking pose, that rises above the others. They’re all great though.
True! IT’S SO FLUFFY, I’M GONNA DIE!!!
Awesome! Do Zekrom next. 😀
Please
Wouldn’t Zekrom have to be primal/prehistoric and not a mega?
Whichever you prefer. 🙂
I think I will do Primal Zekrom to make it more realistic!
That’d be great. I look forward to seeing it. Thanks.
Yeah no problem.
You mind if I show you Primal Zekrom tomorrow?
I don’t mind. 🙂
Take your time.
Boost in attack with Thick Fat. Yes pls.
Totally!!!
If you color this and everything, It would be OUTSTANDING
You are good at this I think i might love you 😡
Thank you, I love you too! haha
Very good
i love the Artic pelt
But down to business i have an idea for a dangerous Ghost/Steel type think your up to the task?
Its called Manickle and it is the Restrained PKM
Ghost/Psychic
Its a crazy demented sprite like ghost (Think about a Dark Chao from Sonic Adventure 2) that is wrapped around magic metal chains that hold back its wild and unpredictable power
Wait its Ghost/Steel!
Sounds Awesome, but is it okay if I show you tomorrow?
Sure take your time
Thanks haha
Can i get a Mega Torttera?
Yeah! No problem but I have to draw Earthen’s fan made pokemon first, then Igneous primal/prehistoric Zekrom, and finally Mega Torterra! So it will probably be posted later at night, if thats alright.
Yea thats fine thanks! 😀
OMG IM DYING I LOVE IT sooooo much
thank you zoo much ive wanted mega walrien for like forever XD
Revision!!!
M Torterra! I love it!!!!!
Thanks!!! XD
You’re an amazing artist!!! And I really like your ideas! You should definitely keep making these
Thanks, and I will!!! 🙂
Them colors though 😉
Right?!! haha
Revision!!! Mega Dewgong and Primal/Prehistorical Zekrom!!!
Would I sound like a jerk if I said, “I wonder what hidden events hackers will leak from ORAS.”?
No because it is the sad truth
“The mega no one saw coming” part 2
http://cdn.bulbagarden.net/upload/6/6f/297Hariyama.png
He would be a beast!
I WANT THIS TO HAPPENN!!!
I have wanted this since mega Swampert
I feel bad for forgetting that this thing existed.
What if Mega Hariyama actually got slimmer?
Mega Swampert really buffed up, so maybe Mega Hariyama is the opposite.
Highly unlikely, but just a thought.
Hariyama was on my first Emerald team! This needs to happen!
Mine too :O
I had a Xatu on my first Emerald team. Go figure.
I was reading Bulbapedia and noticed the Frontier Brains’ names derived from word that symbolize their characters.
Anabel from Ability
Spencer from Spirit
Noland from Knowledge
Brandon from Brave
Tucker from Tactic
Greta from Gut/Great
Lucy from Luck
HOW DID I NOT SEE THIS
Maybe because you were thinking of them more from the game and less from the anime?
I haven’t realized :O
Oh Game Freak… <3
I’d like to add that in every language, their names derive from the same characteristics listed above.
Wowsers didn’t see that
Tell, has anyone actually got to see them all in game??
I have only seen Noland
Clever Game Freak is clever.