Shinies. The elusive differently coloured Pokémon that were so rare that most people thought they were hoaxes/glitches/hacks. Yet, with the internet becoming more and more widespread, soon everyone knew about them. With a 1 in 8000 chance of finding them, they were truly sought after by collectors who had to put considerable effort into getting them.
With people complaining they couldn’t get one, Gamefreak threw a bone and released several shiny Pokémon as events, in addition to making some slight tweaks to the chance of finding shinies. Sorry folks that had a shiny Raikou, your’s became so common that people didn’t care about your achievement anymore. Luckily there were only a few event Pokémon, leaving a majority still hard to catch (even when using the Pokéradar).
But XY changed even more than that. They made so many tweaks that, as evidenced by the comments here and on other sites, you could easily find three shinies a day. The Safari zone with hundreds of Pokémon available, a new egg breeding mechanic, horde battles, the Pokéradar is back and maybe even a tweak to the base chance itself! This brings my to my concern of today: is there still a point in shinies?
The major thing about shinies was not that they were differently coloured. In fact, you could say that over half of all Pokémon looks worse or almost not different at all in their shiny form. No, the thing that made them cool was the rarity of finding one, the thrill of encountering and successfully catching it. It shouldn’t be only about its looks, but also on the memory that is attached to it. But with XY the rarity is gone. People will stop caring about your feat. “Oh, you got 30 shinies? I got 60, hmpf.” The whole elusive aspect went away, and that makes shinies not that exciting for me anymore as they once were.
But that’s just me of course. What do you think? I’d love to hear your opinion in the comments, and when I got the time I will try to respond to them. Seeing as this is a discussion post, keep spam to a bare minimum. If you got something interesting to say, say it, but don’t start 200 comments threads about one battle you had, use the chat.
~Daedardus~










I should really get a better Carbink with Sturdy…
Too bulky for that…
Clear Body is unnecessary honestly. 😛
As long as Stealth Rocks are up, I really don’t have much use for it. 😛
Dual Screens, Rock Slide, Dazzling Gleam….
Mine has Stealth Rocks, Light Screen, Power Gem, and Moonblast. I think a good set would be the moves you said and Sturdy while holding a Light Clay… yeah! 😀
Too bad Light Clay isn’t available right now…
battle plz
Single?
Challenging you now and yes
Oh, lemme change my pokes XD
Les go to chat! :3
okey
BERTLE MEH
Clear Body is much better I must say
♫ All I Want For Christmas Is A 3DS ♫
Oh yeah… You’re still borrowing your friend’s…
I have a nice friend. ^_^
Target has the XL for 50 bucks off.
All i want for christmas is have a good time with my family… just kidding, i want a 3ds XL
Shout outing random things. Do not hesitate to face palm.
Hows it going party peoples
just battlin’
The party’s over everyone go home.
Terrible. Can’t find a modest dratini.
There’s so much competitiveness going on.
BANANA TOOTS
Please don’t
😀
This is the spam we don’t need.
Just trying to get someone’s attention because everyone’s dead
You’ll get Dae’s attention, that’s for sure.
Oh snaps.
Great battle @542f8a265a4fded4a9b5073943208eac:disqus :DD
You’re soooooo lucky Dusclops didn’t wake up
We should battle again sometime 😀
once I prepare my next team, which is soon, we shall
So, I ask again, anyone have any of the Vulpix or Gothita line with their hidden abilities?
Nope :/
darn, well you’re certainly not helping today, I must say that’s really disappointing
I have got Gothita but not in X. And I’ve always wanted drought Vulpix.
I could catch a Drought Ninetales for you…
thank ya kindly
I have a Ninetales with its hidden ability
I agree shinies are too common in X/Y
Chandelure we destroyed the chat.
Yes we did ;-;
And it was worth it.
Who is here? XD
I am :3
meh :3
I am
I kinda am…my favorite Nuzlocke updated. =D
I am 🙂
Nice new avatar XD
Thanks! Got to get in the holiday spirit XD
I found a shiny pancham with the pokeradar and traded it along with my shiny magmar
at what chain?
At 5 witch is very rare
was the music different from the normal pokeradar music?
yes it was
Was the patch that shook a bad or good one?
A good one and I really didn’t think I would see a shiny that early
OMG
lel umad?
Kinda xD
i am too, because i cant masuda this carbink ;-;
Poor you… XD
Honestly, I do feel that the values of shinies did go down, even during the B&W period. I agree with Dae’s reasoning in the post. The rarity of the shinies were their main selling point. But now you can find them easily with the FS. I felt it go down in B&W because most of the people on the GBU I faced had a team of six shinies including legends and you could get some from GTS Negotiations (where I got a lot from) but they’re most likely hacked once I try to send them over with Pokebank 🙁 But it is still a wonderful experience to catch/hatch your own shiny! Trying for a Shiny Magikarp atm with the Masuda Method and so far no luck out of the 70 some eggs I hatched but I cant wait for that moment!
Hacking doesn’t really affect the actual ‘value’ of a shiny. Mainly because, most people either don’t care or feel vexation about you having a shiny (especially if they don’t, if they do they usually shove their accomplished shiny down your throat) so really obtaining a shiny is your own accomplishment.
Shinies are still rare as hell so I’m not sure how ‘easily’ you seem to think getting them are. People keep confusing luck with skill and apparently haven’t learned statistics yet.
Except for fishing chains
fishing chains defy all shiny logic… 😛
Fishing chains are still luck. It’s only easy because you don’t have to move. xD That’s what messes me up with the radar I HAVE TO MOVE.
all fishing chains are though, is a matter of whether or not you can fish ;-;
all it is is fishing a bunch of times in a row, and the shiny odds are increased, which makes it even easier…
But you can only do it with the Pokemon you can catch via fishing. :/
I understand your point and totally agree with you on how obtaining a shiny is your own accomplishment (which feels good). But hacking goes against the system so its no longer by pure chance. So are you saying that obtaining a shiny is skill? because i would love to have that skill but i see it as luck. Probability. And yes, in the end, shinies are still rare.
No, I’m saying people seem to be assuming getting a shiny is by skill. Hacking wouldn’t affect the value of a shiny because getting a shiny is a personal accomplishment. Therefore a hacked shiny doesn’t really take away from one’s personal accomplishment of getting a shiny but doesn’t add anything either. The only way hacking would affect shiny value is if there were only a fixed number of legit shinies in the world as hacking one would lower the overall worth of their existence.
Ahhh ok I got confused there. Since you explained it more, it makes more sense. Well with the hacking, it makes shinies readily available to be battled and traded instead of being a rare chance to see one (competitively). Their overall worth isnt lowered, its just their personal worth. Once you see a team with 6 shinies consistently, it gets tiresome to see especially if you lose to them
The only thing I find an accomplishment is hatching a 5 flawless/6 flawless shiny by breeding before pokebank comes out. That is rewarding. TCMets accomplished that!
It is a once in a lifetime opportunity. He should keep it 🙂
You are one cool dude. <3
Haha, thanks! 😀
She said cool because it’s almost winter.
Ahem… She*
First of all, edited. Second of all, SCROOGE OFF.
Likewise 🙂
TCMets deserves some applause for that *claps* Indeed rewarding!
The comments have really slowed.
Yes they have.
Dead chat
Dae said don’t spam. Soooo…dead Disqus.
But spam is the ham of the holidays.
wonder when heavymetallamb will come back with the shiny extravaganza lol
What’s the best nature for a Carbink? I’m gonna make another one XD
i would go with modest for moonblast, power gem to make more damage
Oh, well that’s the one I have now XD
I honestly only need Sturdy, might as well not make another one then. 😛
What should we do right now?
Dance.
Scrooge Off.
Not spam.
You sure? Because spam makes the world go round.
Spam is the ham of the holidays.
Are YOU sure? Because ham makes the world go round. (With green eggs)
I’m not seeing any mentioning of bacon.
Well, I got a Bagon named Bacon today through Wonder Trade.
Is the original trainer named Jet?
I’ll check right after this chain breaks.
Because my brother had a Bagon named Bacon. xD
Soo Japan got Torchic, Wobbufett, Inkay, Garchomp, eevelutions, and pikachu.
We (Everyone else) get Torchic. Seems legit.
Inkay with an event-exclusive move.
And a held item
Apparently Japan gets pissed when other countries start getting exclusive stuff that they want.
I blame the pokemon centers in japan though, if we had some here we could get em too.
We did, and kind of do still in NYC. Seriously though what the heck else does Japan have besides its franchises. >_>
Man those centers are cool. The NY one isn’t nearly as awesome. I don’t think I’ll get to go again by time I move to Oklahoma. =(
They need more Pokemon Centers in the US. I live in Illinois and it sucks that i can’t just take a train to chicago and head on down to the pokemon center and heal my pokemon.
Wordwide Release
*Sarcasm
I would have expected (all) the events to be worldwide too.
They probably hate the rest of the world because of the leaked copies
That was only Canada and Italy. F*ck those guys in particular, don’t take it out on the rest of the world.
Nintendo already screwed up by claiming ‘there’s no DLC’ and then Japan gets six events.
Eventually other countries will start seeing events.
I just want my Volcanion q.q
I’m curious to see how they’ll do those mons.
It’s likely.
You expected wrong.
Indeed i did. Equality is overrated.
I personally say that shinies haven’t lost their purpose at all. Shiny Pokemon may be more common in X & Y (I caught a shiny Petilil in the friend safari and breed a Timid Zorua today) but shinies still take a little bit of time and effort and thanks to shinies being more common more people can have some, people don’t have to cheat to get good battle shinies and now shinies could easily be considered a Pokemon form now like Basculin, Pyroar, Florges, etc. Shinies are still great even after being a lot more common and I still get that sense of achievement when I breed a shiny. Does anyone else agree with me?
Below 1% =/= more common. If anything it’s slightly less rare.
I’m still gonna cheat because I just like the colors. :/
Steven Universe is on! 😀
Thanks! Now I don’t have to watch crappy Planet 51!
IM WATCHING IT ITS MY FAVORITE SHOW IN THE UNIVERSE.
WE ARE THE CRYSTAL GEMS!
WE’LL ALWAYS SAVE THE DAY
Oh no. I’m about to beat Regideam in comments. NOOOO
How does the whole Hidden Power thing work?
same as last gen but fixed 60 BP with no HP fairy
I know that, but I mean, how am I supposed to get a specific type? :I
it depends on your pokemon’s iv’s iirc
The house next to the boutique in Anistar City tells you the Hidden Power type of your Pokemon.
So what if it tells me a type I don’t want? I’ve tried going on Serebii, but it’s too confusing for me! XD
I think perfect or near perfect is Dark- type. That’s all I know xD
Maybe this will help? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aHNoyPXnU-A
I paused at 1:01 since I want a HP Fire. How the heck am I supposed to know the exact numbers for each stat’s IV’s? :I
The dude in Kiloude city tells you.
Yeah, with words. How would I know which stat has 30 or 31 IV’s? #sorryextremenoobhere
http://www.psypokes.com/dex/iv.php
Definitely keeping this in my Favorites. One more thing, if I use this on a LV. 1 Pokemon, will it still show me the same IV’s? I feel like it doesn’t… ;-;
Wait, there’s no HP Fairy?
Not that I know of
That’s a fail. :p
Remember that Gamefreak is lazy sometimes and everything will make sense.
I think you can use the hidden power calculator on Serebii to see the type but the damage has been set to permanent 60 damage in X & Y.
Going to go with Absol instead of Trevenant on my competitive team. Any item suggestions?
Wynaut Mega Absol? D:
I have Mega Gardevoir :/
Why don’t you just make several competitive Pokemon so you have more to choose from? :O
Ik but I need a main competitive team right now so I can work on extras later
Oh alright then, might I suggest Diggersby? :3
I was thinking about that too. Also Azumarill.
Diggersby technically has more Attack than Azumarill, though.
Scope lens on absol if it has the Super luck ability
that way you will have a much more chance to get critical hits
Sounds good!
Why not have Trevenant hold a big root and have it know Horn leech and leech seed since big root increases it’s HP gain by 30%… It’s lame I know but I don’t know any really good Trevenant set ups as I haven’t thought about training a Trevenant yet.
I have a great moveset in mind but the Harvest ability wouldn’t really work with the Big Root
Trevenant its a amazing staller, with harvest and sitrus berry he can be a beast
My current team consists of Lanturn, Houndoom, Noivern, and Gourgeist
Any recommendations for the final two members of my team?
Lanturn… *shivers*
It has perfect IVS and it’s bulky.
Yeah that ice beam was pretty powerful.
Lanturn twinning. WATCH OUT PEEPS.
Lantwins.
you need a ground type for coverage a fairy type would be cool to and last a electric type
oh i didnt saw lanturn so a poison or steel better
Nidoking is poison/ground so maybe that.
yes it would be great, nidoking got a buff this gen so i would go with earthquake,megahorn,poisonjab, and toxic spikes with blacksludge or lifeorb
Dragonite and Metagross
Noivern is dragon/flying
What about a fairy type like Clefairy or Slyveon
I mostly use dual types.xD
Modest IV in special attack Gardevoir. Has at least 200 special attack at lv50.
Fairy/Psychic right?
Yup
I have a modest Gardevoir at level 75
Is it good?
Very good and powerful sinces it has Max bond in Pokemon Anime
Mines lv50 194 special attack it just sweeps everything.
You need at least one more hard hitter….none of those bar Houndoom (only if it’s mega and has nasty plot) hit hard at all.
So which pokemon would you consider Hard hitters? And yeah it’s a mega houndoom with sludge bomb to counter fairies.
I would suggest Heracross or Gyarados if you don’t want to be too cookie cutter
If I had a foreign Pinsir with The right things I could Masuda method one of these while searching for perfect stats…
Thats what Im doing with a Magikarp!
I feel like many people noticed except me- my name looks like Santalune, and I just noticed… :I
Now that you point it out, it does. Try LuringSanta
Noelure
ChandelClause
ChrisKrinklure
Yeah, I did. LOL, I kinda thought you were new at first XD
I feel so stupid LOL LD
“One other person is typing…”
HURRY UP! XD
Oops! Sorry XD I was away from the computer.
LD*
LOL! I was kidding, anyways! XD
How about, Chantalure?
Hm… be right back!
Refresh! 😀
Perfect! Chantaclaus LD
YUS LD
But ChrisKrinklure.
I can’t even read it without breaking it down XD
It makes me think of Santa and Chandelure dancing and doing the sprinkler…lol