RUMOR: Pokémon Sun & Moon’s HUGE SECRET Revealed?

Spoiler & rumor alert: The contents of this article are speculative in nature (based on evidence from demo contents & official documents) and may also spoil surprises in the game. You have been warned.

ash-sun-moonDots are being connected in what could be the biggest Pokémon crossover between the anime and games that the franchise has ever seen. Pokémon Sun & Moon could be the first titles in which Ash, the star of the Pokémon anime, makes an appearance.

Although his in-game counterpart, Red, has a storied history since debuting as the protagonist of the first Pokémon games, Ash has never actually appeared in any games of the main series. Ash-Greninja being available hinted at his existence in the game canon and the demo also made passing reference to him, but it was not widely speculated that he would actually be an opponent in the games, until now.

satoshi-trademarkRecently a trademark filing by Nintendo & Game Freak for ‘Satoshi’ (Ash’s Japanese name) was discovered. This is interesting because it is obviously game-related, not simply a filing for the anime. Although Ash-Greninja will be available to players in Pokémon Sun & Moon after transferring it from the demo, there wouldn’t be much more reason that they’d need to trademark Ash’s name: after all, the anime season featuring his Greninja just wrapped up. The filing also makes no mention of a Pokémon in correlation to him either.

ashs-pikachuIn addition, his Pikachu has already been confirmed by game data mined in the demo! Whether this is an event for players (probably) in addition to a Pokémon he may use on his team is still unclear. It does however point to one thing: Ash is definitely tied into Sun & Moon heavily.

This all comes together with the recent unveiling of the Battle Tree, a location in Alola that allows players to battle with and against some of the most famous trainers in Pokémon history! Sounds like a great place for Ash to make his game debut…

I’ll finish up by reminding everyone with exactly the same warning I gave going in: this is not confirmedIt is, however, definitely something that is being strongly hinted at!

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2,212 thoughts on “RUMOR: Pokémon Sun & Moon’s HUGE SECRET Revealed?”

    • Three most likely things are unique Z-moves, special evolution methods (starters do not evolve at level 16 this gen) or story importance.

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      • But starters can evolve in the Range of lvl.14 to lvl18?

        Just in case you don’t believe me Chimchar, Cyndaquil, Turtwig, Totodile all evolve at one of the two

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  1. Hopefully Ash is NOT in the the game because then that would mean Professor Oak has two Grandsons who look exactly the same, Blue and Gary….

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  2. I don’t find this massively shocking. Anime tie-ins have happens in the game universe before…Yellow Version. If Ash does appear, it’ll be a fun little piece of fanservice for anime fans because these are celebratory 20th anniversary games. I don’t think it’ll be a big, game-changing, continuous thing. But I guess if you’re an Ash fan…yay? *shrugs*

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  3. Hey people I’ve fought long and hard with many people but what do you think are Ash’s Top 10 Strongest Pokémon for me it’s

    10. Donphan
    9. Pikachu
    8. Krookodile
    7. Torterra
    6. Snorlax
    5. Infernape
    4. Heracross
    3. Sceptile
    2. Greninja
    1. Charizard

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    • 1. Charizard – Been with Ash almost as long as Pikachu, but has fought in more high profile battles, been training at Charicific Valley, also was the first Pokemon in the anime to fight and beat a legendary
      2. Pikachu – Been with Ash the longest, and has a win and a draw against legends, however due to the it being reset pretty much every region and the fact that it is rarely his ace in high profile battles
      3. Sceptile – His second fully evolved starter, gone through the Hoenn region and the Battle Frontier with Ash, has fought Regirock and lost, and was the only Pokemon to KO Darkrai in Sinnoh League.
      Snorlax – Been with Ash a very long time, and has one hell of a win-loss record, always reliable and pulls his weight.
      Infernape – Third fully evolved starter Pokemon and star of the Sinnoh League, however has not been used since Sinnoh. Also his power can be attributed to his ability, which cannot be said for the others above.
      Greninja – His latest fully evolved starter, still has room for development, and again his power is attributed to something other than just the Pokemon itself.
      Herracross – One of his strongest and reliable pokemon, however has not been used all too much since Johto.
      Krookodile – Another one of his newer Pokemon, quite Powerful during BW, but once again we haven’t seen it since, so we can’t say too much more about it. Managed to hold its own (not sure if it beat) Iris’ Dragonite
      Donphan – Another Powerhouse from Johto who showed its power during the Battle Frontier Arc, but alas it lacks appearances since then

      Honourable mentions – Muk, Tauros, Swellow, Gliscor, Goodra

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      • I wouldn’t put Pikachu so high. It’s basically as strong as they want it to be, remember that it beats legendaries but loses to lv. 5 snivys.

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        • Although losing to Snivy was canon, take in that just recently Pikachu was able to take out the two pseudo legendary Pokemon on Alan’s team. Yet you’re right about it being too high, it loses experience each time at a new region, so it probably would be a little lower on the list

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        • That’s why i said the reset prevents it from being at top. But at the same time you can’t deny it’s achievements over the past 20 years. Why would the single negative thing have a bigger impact than the numerous positive things?

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  4. As much as it’d be cool to see him in game I really don’t care. I wouldn’t mind if he DID show up and I wouldn’t mind if he DIDN’T show up. It’s interesting that they seem to be trying to pull him in for this game (even if it’s just minor). If he does show up then I don’t think people should look to far into it. It most likely wouldn’t have any effect on the games world and it certainly wouldn’t change anything for pre-established characters. It’d be just one little thing thrown in for fun. So anyone who has an aneurysm over how his being in the games world would change relationships with certain characters needs to take a step back. In the grand scheme of things. It’ll be more for fun than anything “canon”.

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      • Was Orange League on par with an regional-based league? I mean the requirements to getting an orange league entry is way easier than getting a region’s league entry.

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          • And why not? Trials have a trial captain battle, don’t they? The trial is just a requirement for the battle so arguably Alola’s process could be seen as more difficult than previous regional requirements.

          • Plus, you have to factor in the Kahunas as well. To have truly beat an island’s challenge you must defeat them. Far more difficult than Orange League’s standards.

          • Also, Orange islands was complete filler for the time gap between RBY and GSC so Ash winning in a filler arc is hardly the best claim to victory especially since that league was beyond easy in the first place.

    • —>If he brought all his pokemon like he did in the Sinnoh League he would have won.
      —>It’s his bad luck that he didn’t have a single mega stone though admittedly he had Ash- Greninja thingy
      —>Justice defeated him. He hacked and defeated Mega Sceptile with Water Shuriken (x 1/4 damage) and he got rekt by a Blast Burn (x1/2)

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  5. I have a question about the anime. Weren’t there rumours that Serena was going with Ash to Alola? From the looks of the anime trailer it doesn’t look so. So that’s it for her then?

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  6. Grrrr for some time now i’ve had an urge to fight this kid just to crush his spirit
    but as of currently i’ve only did fantasy analysis on his current XY team
    and they all boil down to a mono clash between Ash-Greninja and my Mega Garchomp

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    • -Tapu Koko’s Electric Surge to activate Electric Terrain.
      -Raichu’s Surge Surfer to double speed
      -Raichu paralyzes opponent
      -Raichu uses Electro Ball

      I don’t know how to work in Tapu Lele.

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    • What if you’re only allowed one Tapu at a time?
      I have a feeling Tapu Koko and Alolan Raichu will be quite popular to start with. I’m interested to seeif they can withstand the test of time.

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      • They’ve already announced the rules for VGC 17 outside of what legendaries are banned and not. I think it’s safe to say there won’t be any semi-banned legendaries this time around. I’m fairly confident they’ll be fair game like the Djinns.

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  7. Is anyone else disappointed that we don’t appear to be getting a tiki Pokémon in these games? Cause if we were ever going to get a tiki Pokémon, these should have been the games we got it in…

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  8. Call me crazy, but I kind of want to catch a Pyukumuku for my first play through team. I don’t care how bad its stats are. It’s adorably derpy, and I will MAKE it good! I also came up with an adorable nickname for one.

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  9. If you could change one thing about a pokemon’s design, what would it be?

    For example: Gallade’s hips. I would make them less wonky and more sleek.

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  10. Alright so I took a crack at renaming all the Alolan forms because why not? And because I feel like they should have been renamed rather than being called things like Alolan Sandslash and whatnot. So, here goes:

    -Priowth (Primadonna and Meowth)
    -Furrsian
    -Snowshrew
    -Snowslash
    -Vulpice
    -Brinetails
    -Eggsneckutor (credit for this one goes to another poster who thought it up, absolutely brilliant)
    -Marowax (fire/ ghost typing, wax ha sido to do with fire and with ghosts sometimes, and then there’s waxing and waning, I don’t know..)
    -Slimer
    -Yuk
    -Ratscrappa
    -Ratishade or Faticate (which do you guy say think? Faticate seems a little insensitive to me but it does fit the description of it from the pokemon website)
    -Raithru (Like ride the wave through but keeping Rai which I think means thunder)

    Thoughts, suggestions? Did I miss any of them?

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    • I don’t think they will have that big of an impact.
      I hope we get items to increase their duration however. And we need more abilities to take advantage of them

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      • it all depends if the Tapus are going to be banned. They are definitely going to be better than Ninetales, Politoad, Abomansow, imo. Plus people can actually abuse both the weather effects and the terrain at the same time (Rain + Electric Terrain is pretty good). But yeah the think that may hinder is the lack of abilities rn

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        • The Tapus will be good Pokemon and I doubt they will be banned (either Smogon or VGC), but it’s all about how well the terrains can be used (and abused) by other Pokemon.

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          • Me too. I’m looking forward to it more than the games.
            Like I said I feel Koko and ARaichu will be popular to start with but I wonder if it will last. Koko might remain popular but ARaichu may drop

  11. Who cares? The only time ash has ever really had a team that would be any sort of challenge in game was in the dp anime. There are so many other trainers I’m looking forward to battling again like Cynthia and blue. Ash would get stomped on by any player with even the slightest idea of how to play.

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  12. I hate the anime with a passion, thanks to this character. the only reason i’d want him in this game is to destroy him in battle, again, and again, and again. its not like he could win, he’s ash.

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        • I love the design and concept of both of them. Have done since Gen 3. Spent an eternity trying to catch Latios in Emerald cos it was a roaming Pokemon and I was too stupid to work out how to block it from running all the time.

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    • Recently it’s been Solgaleo because the overall design of it is amazing, and as a person who’s been wanting a sun legendary Solgaleo lives up to my expectations.

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    • Darkrai because it looks so cool, it’s a dark type, has dark in its name, can send others to sleep easily and gives them bad nightmares

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    • I have three

      Lunaala – Just night time beauty put into pokemon form. A bat is perfect to represent the moon. So sparkly

      Reshiram – I played Black version and having Reshiram choose me as a trainer is something so cool. Fighting N with the dragon that chose me as a hero in game is one of the most epic moments in the series. It really is a battle of Truth and Ideals

      Lugia – The guardian of the sea. It is so mysterious to me. It reminds me of a time where I was newer to the series after not playing the games in years. Legendary pokemon still had that mystery to them. Catching Lugia for the first time really made me feel like I was a powerful trainer

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      • I agree with the last one, Lugia was originally one of my favorite legendaries (and it still is) because it ad so much mystery to it and I had a FireRed/LeafGreen handbook (my main source of Pokemon back in the day) that didn’t talk about what typing it was, which attributed to it’s mystery. This mysterious part made me love Lugia.

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    • I think Jirachi is probably my overall favorite, but Regigigas and Deoxys come close. I love the fact that it remains dormant for millennium and can grant wishes. It also has a third eye.

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    • Dialga without question. I love steel types. I think gears are the perfect symbol of steel types as they all work so well with one another like a well running machine, and what better then the pokemon of time to represent this idea. It was the mascot that relit my love of pokemon and also game me my favorite pokemon to date. Plus its just plain fabulous.

      Also as an aside, check the forums of the official league Star. There’s been a change that you need to be made aware of.

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    • Lugia, only because Pokemon: The Movie 2000 was the best imo. Also, he kind of looks like an old, wise man who has had a lot of worldly experiences.

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    • Giratina. I remember finding out it was ghost/dragon and I flipped. Having a such a unique typing was one thing, but having another dimension to yourself was even more mind blowing.

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    • -Darkara: I can’t add more than Leo said

      -Ho-oh: not just cuz it’s phoenix and fire type with majestic design but cuz ecruteak city and tin tower them when u enter Tin(I like temples) and solve the puzzles while go uphill u really can sense there is a big deal here u know u will face legendary pkmn before see it.

      Yveltal: kinda the mix of these 2 above …..destruction god withe very simple and descent design more than enough for me.

      Deoxsys: u need too watch generations episode to know y.

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  13. So with Sun and Moon just around the corner (which means Gen VII is about to start), what has been a memorable part about any Gen VI games you’ve played through (like an interesting way a gym battle went, something about one of your Pokemon team members that happened, etc.)?

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    • I bought both games on the day I was coming back from vacation. Before we left we stopped by a game stop and me and my brother played on the way home. That was really cool!

      When my brother finally decided to finish Omega Ruby over a year after he got it, it came down to us trying to catch Deoxsys. It came down to 5 ultra balls and the pokemonwas using struggle. One more struggle and it was dead. We threw the pokeball… AND WE CAUGHT IT!!! At the last possible moment, we caught it!

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      • That sounds cool! Deoxys was an absolute pain to catch, I actually ran out of Ultra Balls and was forced to catch it with a Master Ball XD. It had a Jolly nature, which I suppose is good for a Physical Attacking Deoxys.

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    • My Rain Team was probably my highlight.
      Politoad, Klefki, Kingdra, Kabutops, Dragonite, Ferrothorn.

      Didn’t use it for too long, but I did enjoy it the most.

      I also had a Sun Team. Sableye, Venusaur, Victreebell, Darmanitan, and can’t remember the last two. Didn’t enjoy it as much as Rain, but was still fun.

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    • For me, the best part has been the new fairy type. GF did something really good when they introduced that type to nerf dragons and some the other offensive types and boost the viability of poison and steel types as offensive mons. The meta game took a turn for the better and I can only hope that the trend continues in Gen VII.

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  14. Well that was underwhelming. Big whoop Ash might be in the game. I could care less about that, i’m still trynna find out if that was the whole Alolan Dex leaked

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  15. Question: If you could design an Island Trial, what would the task consist of and which mon would act as the Totem for your trial??

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    • My trial would be climbing a spiraling mountain using only a certain number of given items and using a few certain rental pokemon.
      The total would be Kommo’o.

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  16. So I went to an open day for uni today (even though I got another say, year and a half of school first, but it’s mostly to see options and be able to make any last minute subject changes before I need to l) and it was so cool

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  17. I really hope this isn’t the case. Ash being in the games absolutely tears apart pretty much any canon we’ve had so far. If we can have Ash-Greninja, then we can have Ash-Pikachu IMO without Ash actually being there.
    Plus it’d be weird to have Ash and Red in the same game.

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  18. I’m dying of boredom

    So if you guys had to give a fictional character a Pokémon team, which ones would you give them as a team?

    As anyone with eyes can see I’ve been on a Rocky Horror Bender so Frank-N-Furter (specifically the one from the original movie and the musical, as Laverne Cox’s Frank is Transgender rather than a Transvestite) is my choice.

    (All male BTW)

    Primarina (Refers to the music and dancing of Rocky Horror)
    Salandit Evo (Refers to the gas Frank uses)
    Gothitelle (The gothic theme)
    Gardevoir (Is a Fairy Type, referencing Fay Wray)
    Beheeyem (Spoiler: he’s an alien
    Machamp (Reference to Rocky)

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    • Lapis Lazuli (Steven Universe)

      Suicune
      Primarina
      Gardevoir – Shiny
      Tapu Fini
      Dragonair
      Reniculous

      Midna (Legend of Zelda)

      Darkrai
      Mimikyu
      Hoopa
      Gothorita
      Gourgeist
      Salandit2

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    • Spongebob

      Pachirisu – Sandy Cheeks
      Staryu – Patrick
      Wailord – Pearl
      Crawdaunt – Mr. Krabs
      Butterfree – lol
      Kingdra- Sea Pony!

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    • I’ve done this before, and my character was Ender Wiggin (from Ender’s Game).

      Durant (Formics)
      Grumpig (Pequeninos)
      Ralts (Ender’s youth and naivety)
      Alakazam (Ender’s intelligence)
      Solgaleo (Ender’s bravery and association with space)
      Hitmontop (Ender being the third child that was born because the first two didn’t meet the world’s needs)

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    • Tony Stark (Iron Man):

      Metagross (Computer)
      Alakazam (Genius)
      Aggron (Hulk-Buster)
      KlinkKlang (Mechanical Engineer)
      Rotom (Electrical Engineer)
      Porygon-Z (Computer related)

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  19. Now that we know that a league will be implemented in the games, how likely do you think it’ll be that a gym will be built in that empty lot in Hau’oli? Ever since we got the first detailed map of Alola I thought that lot looked like an area for possible construction.

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  20. “I want my relationship with my pokemon to be less like sun and moon and more like two blazing suns! There’d be no limit to how bright we could shine!” – Elesa B2W2 post battle

    IT ALL COMES TOGETHERR

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  21. I now realize YouTube Sucks when it comes to commenting I have been on for freaking hour asking for something in yo-Lao watch and people just stop responding or say they don’t have one pisses me off

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  22. The one thing that will always piss me off Is the special treatment Gen 1 always gets.
    I know it’s the first, but there are better gens. And no matter what you do, the genwunners aren’t coming back, so appeal to your current fans rather than the ones who left you.

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  23. Hi everyone ! I’ve been scrolling on this website for a long time, posting a comment once in a while, but i never made a proper disqus account nor introduce myself : i’m SupaMiltank, 21, from Paris. You guys make the pokémon fandom feel very enthusiastic and special, and your speculation for sun and moon are so interesting :O
    And concerning the topic of this article : i don’t mind Ash being in the game, but it feels weird considering that in a way he’s Red’s counterpart.

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  24. Who’s actually buying a Switch sometimes next year?

    And would a Pokémon Sun and Moon port convince you to buy the console if it didn’t before? And even if it did, would you double dip?

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    • I plan to buy the Switch eventually, but I do not want a Sun and Moon port because content will likely be witheld from the 3DS versions.

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    • My answer: I’m totally buying one. But that’s mostly because I’m very fond of Nintendo games. Even the Wii U with its lackluster third-party support brought me some of the best games. I like the concept of the console a lot, but it’s still the games I want.

      I live for Zelda and I just want to play BotW in full flair so it’s already a day one purchase for me. Second game I’m most looking forward to is a possible Animal Crossing game. Both of these games have a very special meaning for me as they were the games that helped me relax a lot during hard times. Since I’m under a lot of stress and difficult situations the last few months, they could help me a lot to wind down.

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    • I’ll probably get. Might not at launch as I’ll be paying back student loans come march, but My birthday is only a few months after and by that point I should be in good shape lol

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      • I watch them just because I like listening to people talking about Pokemon news. lol I get why you don’t like watching these tho. GameXplain like to talk about obvious stuff and then make it seem like there is something else to it. Almost every sentence that concludes a section ends with them saying somethings like “We know this is a thing, but does that mean this other thing is also a thing? We’ll have to wait and see I guess.” They never really say anything all that interesting and most of the time what they do say is just wishful thinking rather than looking at the facts and coming up with real theories. They do get lucky though on occasion. (i.e. the names of the islands) lol

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        • They are pretty good for the analysis stuff, albeit less so for Pokémon speculation. But I like to listen to their speculations sometimes when I don’t know what to do.

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  25. So how do you think the starters will be implemented into the story? I personally like the type: null theory because it ties together this and the “starters and Rockruff share a secret” thing.

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  26. I don’t know about that. I feel like Ash will be alluded to, but not shown. I think the Pikachus will be an event to celebrate the entire anime.

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  27. Where the frack is everyone
    the only logical reasoning is either severe inattendance or a Dark Wizard stole everyone’s souls…again

    well might as well binge watch Skylanders Academy
    Earthen Out

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    • Eeew don’t watch Skylanders! That show is painfully bad. Generic CG, generic writing, licensed IP, there are so many better shows to watch.

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    • This place will never be as popular as it was 3 years ago, but it makes me happy that there are still some regulars who haven’t left since then.

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    • I’ve just been playing FF14 all day. Finally finished the Crafting Beast tribe quest, and it was campy as hell. basically a bunch of dinosaur men want to reclaim their lost ability to fly by building an airship. With your hard work and making some deals with some other companies, you finally manage to make their dream come true as their pilot manages to pull out of an updraft and tells them its all good leading to everyone cheering like they just saved Apollo 13. The pilot then ask you after all the work you’ve done, why you actually did it, remembering that you were actually called into the area to kill the dinosaur men given they seemed like a threat. With a bit of a dark laugh you report in and get the achievement “that’s Soar folks”. And my reward? The ability to buy a non-flying mount that hopefully one day will be granted the ability to fly by strapping a balloon onto it.

      Now to grind until I can do the Moogle quests. I would say screw those little fuzz balls, but moogles are some of the most hardcore/BA’s/Edgelords in the entire game.

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      • ……i’ve been trying to find the motivation to level up my Death Knight but each passing day i burn out on wow…
        so yeah

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        • If you ever need another game to sink your time into and recover from the WoW burn, you have a home in my guild. Quite literally as it has a big arse mansion.

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          • No worries. I left Wow back during WotLK, and never looked back. IT wasn’t the game for me after the failure that was the that horrible bright crusaders raid, or what ever those guys were called. And honestly I’ve nearly quick FF14 a few times, but every time I try, something draw’s me back in. Be it the relic weapons and the fun grind they are, housing, or crafting and its horrible RNG BS. Right now it’s been the squad leader mechanic, which I guess is something like that mechanic in wow where you send out npc’s to do quest’s or something like that? It’s pretty bare bones, but fun at the same time. Basically its a simple case of seeing if a party of 4 can meet some stat requirements, which then give you a chance of wining of 0, 25, 50, or 100%. Your reward if you can do the final quest is you are given a new rank and the ability to buy a really stylish chest piece based on what faction your in, though only one of them looks really good.

        • I feel you… I hate legion so much. It’s too dungeon-based and when it takes 40+ mins to get into one things get dull quickly.

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  28. Ehat stats do you predict for the starters?

    Decidueye: 110/100/70/80/70/100

    Inicineroar: 80/110/80/90/70/100 (P.s. If you consider speed boost Blaziken, the fire starter is the same since gen 1 with the only exception of Emboar. So boring).

    Primarina: 90/65/100/100/105/70

    Before you point out that Incineroar and Decidueye will have both (depending on you preferences) 120 base speed, imo it will not happen. Decidueye will not have more then 100 cause right now is slower the Litten. Litten will lose speed imo cause it cannot be faster then Infernape. I don’t think we will have a starter with more then 100 base speed. There was not one in gen 1-2, then with has one in gen 3-4-5-6, now we are going back to the past cause it’s clear that GF has enough of speed and priority moves in competitive (look at new abilities and moves).

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    • Decidueye 80/74/75/115/80/105
      Incineroar 85/108/75/84/74/108 based on Litten’s stats
      Primarina 100/74/70/95/95/100

      total 534 for all

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        • I would love Incineroar to be
          84/125/80/60/75/110

          but these stats like your Primarina’s are only dreams, GF will make sure starters never get any stat below 60

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      • Rowlett HP stats is tied with Tepig’s for the highest of all starters. Primarina is a slow wall. She cannot have that speed and her attack is really poor.

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  29. Ugh, I’m so bored.
    I have four questions:
    1) Any new interesting leaks recently? I need my fix.
    2) Has the riddler updated on anything recently?
    3) Is there anything left that the Chinese leak mentions but hasn’t been announced?
    3.5) What about the leak with the “build your own league” thing? Or were those the same?
    4) Was that really the last trailer until the release? I know it’s not that far away, but I’m going to miss getting hyped up for the trailers the night before lol.

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  30. Level 101 Pikachu w/ a light ball
    Goodra
    Mega Charizard Y (because why not)
    Infernape
    Greninja (one way or another)
    Krookodile / Staraptor
    I’d like to face him as the league champion or just in the battle tree. i think it’d be fun

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  31. Finished Platinum and Soulsilver! Two down and 5 to go!
    Platinum team
    Torterra, Gyarados, Heracross, Probopass, Altaria, Gengar

    Soulsilver
    Charizard, Scizor, Tyranitar, Wigglytuff, Hitmonlee, Golduck

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  32. yay, what a nice way to get introduced into showdown, 5 matches, 5 ragequits in the OU ladder. people hate losing that much, huh? I only have one OU on my team, people think its a shoehorned win, but its as I always say, its about team composition, not tiers.

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    • I’d argue it’s both, a brilliantly composed OU team is going to better perform consistently in OU than a brilliantly composed cross tier team, but an OU Team may fall to a better composed cross tier team. There’s also the skill of the player to account for

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      • yeah that is true. I mean, they are in ou for a reason. my team was arcanine, serperior, milotic, vivillon,. mienshao, and altaria (mega) and each battle was a rage quit, I can only guess why… like, my vivillon hit with sleep powder, instant rage quit. they failed to ko my arcanine, rage quit, milotic used rest, rage quit, mienshao used fake out turn 1, rage quit. its really petty imo.

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        • If you just started and are low on the ladder, there are plenty of rage quits. For 2 reasons, it’s low ladder so a rage quit doesn’t effect their ranking that much and because they are players of a very low skill level.

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        • No duh once you get that quiver dance in you can sweep as they sleep
          And it’s a luck game for them, luck that is not in their favor and not for nothing the QD makes it easier for Sleep Powder to land

          They’re not gonna just sit idly by and have some jerk pull this shit

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          • The thing is though is that if they thought ahead they should of had a counter rather than get steam rolled by a regional butterfly

          • How could any of those OU guys possibly think ahead for something like this
            There’s only a few things they could’ve done and all situational
            Grass type (that miraculously resisted Hurticane or BBuzz)
            Overcoat which really only Mandibuzz
            Or anything faster which could either break its sash or Stealth Rocks

            Because you should know that once Vivillion is on the field that’s what’s coming

          • I meant sleep/paralysis + set-up counters

            Of course you can’t predict the Pokémon the opponent uses that’s dumb

            Also

            Priority
            Unaware

          • Yeah and what if Vivillion is a lead so the counter chance is minimal?
            You gonna switch your counter to get a face full of sleep powde, switch out and it gets a free quiver dance? Then the Hurricane hits like a airy truck

          • They probably would’ve predicted Vivillon is the lead

            Before a Quiver Dance Vivillon is ridiculously easy to get rid of or get down to its Sash, and it’s not exactly a miracle out speeding it. At that point, priority murders it.

            There’s plenty of leads that just crap on Vivillon, such as anything with a Lum Berry, Mega Diancie or Mega Sableye, anything that outspeeds and can status it, anything that outspeeds and has a rock move with a team mate with priority, Skarmory and Talonflame also just crap on it.

          • i like my team physically bulky, i pack arcanine’s intimidate, scaled, will-o-wisp, and i almost never invest ev’s to my attacking stats if I’m using a bulky pokemon, i have answers to talonflame, but you aren’t wrong, there’s no way vivillon will take on talonflame, especially the bulky variant, 1-on-1.

          • well, half the game is predicting the possibility of certain pokemon appearing, its why my serperior holds hidden power fire, the possibility of a steel/bug/grass (ugh venusaur, sometimes in want to switch to flying lol) counter is real… if I can finish a match.

          • yeah, I used the same team, in alpha sapphire, but my serperior had hp flying to handle it, but i’d often find myself being walled out by steel types, ESPECIALLY skarmory (now that I think about it, skarmory gives me quite a bit of trouble). I’m not sure whats worse, the types that wall out my set, or mega venusaur.

          • Yeah but I really hope Sun and Moon breathes in some fresh new styles because I’ve been battling for nearly 2 years straight and people rarely change it up

          • I’m sure the introduction of z moves will keep things fresh for awhile, until the dust settles and a new tier list is formed.

          • We can only hope
            But in the end it’s just going to add a small handful and everyone is just going to use the same 10-20 things and blehhhghhhhhhjjh *sputters out*

            But I truly want to test my Mudsdale tank set

          • Assault Vest or nah on that Mudsdale? Because tbh I’m seeing that as a popular option to compliment stamina

          • No no no
            This is my theory
            Dual Tank
            Impish 252 HP, 128 Atk, 128 Def
            Stamina
            Sitrus Berry
            High Horsepower/Earthquake
            Bulk Up
            Rockslide
            Toxic/Stealth Rock

            Lead with bulk up, takes a hit boosts defense and Sitrus Berry gets it back and just whittle it down
            Preferably with trick room

          • If Pikipek’s evo becomes a threat then this Mudsdale set will just slaughter it and become a monsterous physical tank a long as it stays in e-e

          • Don’t think that way yet
            I still to this very day think Stamina only is once per field appearance
            I don’t think they’re going to let it activate every hit, just once
            But we’ll see

          • Idk similar abilities such as Rattled, Weak Armor and Sap Sipper (get hit by a move = stat up) all seem to activate multiple times if provided

          • …or carried the extremely common ice shard on a pokemon. or had a rock type or steel type or skarmory, who eats vivillon’s moveset like its not ones busness.

          • quiver dance does not make sleep powder easier to hit, vivillons ability compound eyes does. vivillon isn’t sweeping a well made team anytime soon, there’s no reason they didn’t have any sort of priority to stop it, or focus sash on a pokemon, these aren’t extremely uncommon means to stop a sweeper.

          • that’s true, and vivillons is naturally speedy as it is. I just tried again, another guy rage quit because he saw how little his arcanine’s wild charge did to milotic. it was like, turn 4… -_-; maybe showdown just isnt for me…

          • Nah, once you get to the higher tiers you’ll tend to get people who actually play and will only forfeit if they legit need to go, are in a particularly bad mood, or you’re using a drawn out tactic they know they can’t beat so there’s no point in wasting their own time.

          • Trust me its not for everyone but I need to stay in shape and more importantly see how everyone else lays
            so I battle every day

          • that’s why I splatoon every day, I don’t want to get rusty lol. a few matches a day does wonders to help keep skills sharp.

          • I haven’t splatted in ages
            I left when I hit the first level cap but then it increased and never recovered…. I feel shamed…

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  34. Hmmm interesting but maybe it’s because Ash-Greninja’s Player ID also says “Ash”, so they’d have to trademark it? In this case, Satoshi.

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  35. Hasn’t GameFreak made several trademarks that mean absolutely nothing though? Pretty sure Gray and Delta Emerald were trademarked and never happened

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  36. I would normally say this will never happend but judging by what we saw It seems that they where drunk throughout the whole process so anything can happen.

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  37. What if the sun and moon post game has you start again as a different character, you pick a new lvl 5 starter and this time take the Pokemon League challenge like the previous games. The champion will obviously be the original character, with the same team that you finish as.

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        • No thanks, it’d be a major pain to beat the game just to restart rather than get straight to the competitive stuff, the Battle Tree, post game areas

          Also I’d be annoyed if you couldn’t switch between the two considering it means there’s at least one character I put effort into that I get locked out of

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          • That’s a fair point. I just think it would be interesting as a Post-game scenario. Maybe if they allowed you to switch between the 2 it would be better.
            It’s also possible that the pokemon league just gets built in these games and the next games act can as sequels (like b2w2).

            Honestly at the moment there is very little for me to be interested about in these games, other than using the new Pokemon competitively.

          • Tbh I really want a sequel again

            BW2 were really good and now since we have Z-Moves and Mega Evolution they could add plenty to sequels as well as new areas.

            It’d be interesting if this game it’d be

            Island Trials – > Gym – > League
            Or
            Island Trials – >League

            And then the sequels would be

            Gym – > League – > Island Trials

            As well as starting from a different island, maybe as an Alola native?

          • Does the League not also encompass the Gyms within its system? You’re implying they’re separate, but I was under the impression that a League is 8 Gyms + Elite 4 + Champion.

          • League could easily be referring to the physical Pokémon League, the area in each Region where the E4 and Champion work

          • The thing is though is that variations of the phrase ‘collect eight badges then challenge the Pokémon League’ makes it out as if Gyms aren’t part of the league, but are part of the same system as them

          • True. But in the anime ‘Challenge the Pokemon league’ means beating the gyms and entering the league tournament. The E4 and Champion are referred to as the Champions League

      • see this is what i don’t get, “gay because its acceptable” seems a lot more insulting than “gay because that’s how this character is, and there’s nothing wrong with it”. we saw no connection between these 2 on a romantic level in any form of media.

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        • I’m not saying they’re definitely gay. I’d like it if they are, but I admit I have no prior evidence to go on. But you have to consider where I and other shippers are coming from. There’s no representation in the games, so of course I’ll jump on the first hint of a possible gay couple, even if that hint is slight. And as for your romantic connection argument, they were 10 last we saw them.

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          • its not just the original games though, in pokemon origins, (freaking disqus) they seemed to have no connection, pokemon gold/silver, no connection, the brief view of them we got in pokemon generations, no connection.

          • It’s been so long since I’ve seen that that I don’t remember it well enough to argue effectively, but wasn’t Origins essentially an animated version of the games’ plot?

          • that it was, except red actually had a personality, and spoke, and was a character rather than the player’s blank avatar. i’m not sure about the manga, as I’ve only red the summarized plot of red’s journey, which also showed no connection.

          • Fair enough. Like I said though, I’m not going off of any evidence, but them being together would fill all my shipping dreams. Don’t get me wrong though, I’d still be totally cool with them being separate rivals.

          • and its fine, if it happens, i just hope that if it does, they make it matter and meaningful for the character growth rather than satisfying a social concept because its politically correct (god i hate that term lol)

          • I don’t understanding how having them in a relationship would help their character development in any way what so ever. Useless romance plot lines should stay as far away from Pokemon as possible.

          • It wouldn’t do much admittedly, but Pokemon is all about coming together, and I could see them building off the “used to be rivals, now we’re lovers” cliche. Now that I think about it though, maybe Red and Blue aren’t the best candidates to put my hopes on. :p

          • any representation at all would be great but I personally am not holding my breath, after all we didn’t really start getting black characters in game until like black and white, and lets all remember this is the company that made tomodatchi life and thats incredibly heterosexual itself.

        • i should probably make it clear that i have nothing against gay people, that’s fine, it doesn’t bother me, you do you. what I’m saying is that, i, personally, would find it insulting that they just threw that character trait on a character because its socially acceptable to do so, rather than having it be meaningful. if i offended anyone, please accept my apology, i didn’t mean to offend you.

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        • to be fair though in real life most gay people are not known to be gay until they tell someone so literally any character can be gay if they come out, even if that character has prior relations with the opposite sex they can still be gay, its not like that doesn’t happen all the time in real life. Heck even I have had girlfriends

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    • Sorry to disappoint, but we clearly see that neither is wearing a ring in their ingame models, and given they are capable of small details like that with Kukui, it seem’s safe to say that this ship has long since sunk.

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      • Regardless of your feel on the ship, stating they can’t be shipped because they’re not married or engaged isn’t exactly that solid

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        • No, I simply meant that the evidence presented was proven false. Personally I don’t care about peoples ship’s, so long as they don’t go to some questionable territories. Really while I would say its unlikely that these two would ever be a couple, I would never complain.

          I would however bring up though that no matter what Pokemon is still a game aimed at children, and given its coming from Japan which still is sorting out its feelings of the LGBT community, I really don’t see them making something this big cannon. I mean it was just last year that Nintendo gave us their first sexuality insert(the idea tat the characters preferences are solely based on the players interpretation, and while their might be something eventually considered canonical, it doesn’t really matter) and even then came under massive fire due to the lady lover option being a creepy girl interested in the occult, and the man lover option being a sadist. While in the end both were no where near as bad as they were made out to be, and handled much better in the western localization’s, it still struck a pretty big cord with people that they have some growing to do.

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          • Dude this was way to serious for a ship, shipping is all just dumb fun

            And all I’m saying is that just because people aren’t married doesn’t mean they’re not romantically involved. OP was pretty much a joke post.

          • Well I apologize. If you haven’t noticed I tend to take everything serious as it does have value and merit to discuss. I enjoy learning and seeing things from others perspective.

            And fair enough. I just simply meant that honestly I don’t see them using the poster child’s of nostalgia for a romantic same sex relationship. Though I really wouldn’t be surprised if we did find a new character being gay. Heck I wouldn’t be that surprised if it turned out to be Guzma given their track-record. But again I’m sorry if thinking about this a bit deeper came across as insulting.

          • It’s not insulting, it’s just that I was surprised :p

            I dunno, I don’t think there’s anything wrong with having a bad guy being the only obviously gay character as long as he’s a bad guy who is gay, not a gay bad guy (if that makes sense)

          • Agreed. and personally I’m hoping for some redemption from Guzma by games end rather then making him a straight up villain.

  38. Tbh I’m wondering, if we get a Pokémon League E4 along with Trials, what’s the odds of the Kahunas being the E4?

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  39. Gentlemen this is my final warning
    Today marks the last two days of Pokemon Global Link
    As of Tuesday afternoon all your Pokemiles will be gone forevermore and never to be used again
    I please highly urge you to see if any rewards can be reaped, snatch an ability capsule or a handful of Rare Candy
    This is your last chance to get prep supplies for Sun and Moon
    So please make an effort to see if you qualify
    I did and look at this
    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/3fe704c1b6c940efe544b080a441f0ca6215ae0a02167c41ca59b024b7c98868.jpg

    http://www.pokemon-gl.com/oras/close_announcement/en/

    I’m EarthenWarrior and I’m set for life Biatch!!!

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      • no no no, don’t let people tell you that. it all comes down to EVs. if you battle and gain ev’s, you can level up however you want. heck, gen 6 allowed you to ev train lv. 100 pokemon.

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      • There’s nothing bad about them. You can level something up without grinding. As long as your pokemon is fully EV trained with the right IVs, leveling them up through battling or rare candies has no difference.

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  40. Question time bouys and gills because I’ve been cleaning and doing homework all day 😮

    Using four Pokémon, make a theme team of characters from a certain piece of media that are all linked somehow.

    Example: Team RWBY, from RWBY

    Ruby Rose

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/9c1a1b4578ec7b4030c1d0dbebb369a370cf684065615619308dc318613bc933.jpg

    Scizor

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/39af80f569d5de5633bf3e12db4c1710644a730275fd337ee6aa67d56ca45d1b.png

    Ruby has a scythe, referencing Scyther. Scizor also has multiple priority and speed boosting moves, and Ruby has super speed.

    Weiss Schnee

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/415e58354e5576bd483883057f77525aa6b0e3c9b20ee8898bd35e3ad544e33c.png

    Froslass

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/869f3be98bcc10bca612985bbfdd6a152fae20212e0cc3b7637854ca2f377b99.jpg

    Weiss’ full name is LITERALLY German (incorrect as a full phrase, but individually the words mean) for ‘White Snow’. She’s also referred to as an ‘Ice Queen’ and is elegant, like Froslass

    Blake Belladonna

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/b46acf47598a83f41729ed0d600919397f7096ca01b0656e78ff70017a9dceb5.jpg

    Incineroar

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/543c00d3acfef616e55746127be5a8af9ac02b0e7b1ed27520d9deee03c4d500.png

    Blake is black cat themed, and spoilers is half-cat herself, as a cat Faunus. And surprisingly, Incineroar is like the only true black cat Pokémon. Furthermore, Litten is calm and reserved, but evolves into something passionate, similar to Blake (but Blake remains reserved with a passionate interior, not starting off as reserved and then becoming an angry cat heel). Furthermore, with Blake, they’d make a ‘Beauty and a Beast’ duo, which makes sense as Blake is based off of Belle from Beauty and the Beast.

    Yang Xiao Long

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/e6cd3257d62e1c653a9616c729fa865087511cd2898e5f5f485fed5fc3ff98e3.png

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/627e9835dacddc88b19e6699d340d768a3f22d107fb0e78278bf8a3960e7b96a.png

    Yang’s name is pretty much ‘little sun dragon’ in Chinese, and Kommo-o is a Pokémon introduced in Sun and Moon but that’s irrelevant for now. The long yellow scales kinda resemble her hair, Kommo-o’s forearms resemble her weapon, and both are dedicated brawlers.

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  41. What is your favouriote Pokemon of each type: (If it’s dual type you can’t use it twice, instead use your second favourite of one of those types, for example, If Lapras is your favourite Water AND Ice, use it for one, then choose your second favourite of the other)?
    Mine:
    Grass:Ludicolo
    Water:Lapras
    Fire: Talonflame
    Normal: Pyroar (Male)
    Fighting: Toxicroak
    Ghost: Trevenant
    Bug: Galvantula
    Poison: Crobat
    Psychic: Victini
    Ice: Cryogonal
    Flying: Swellow
    Ground: Rhydon
    Rock: Gigalith
    Electric: Luxray
    Dragon: Hydreigon
    Steel: Excadrill
    Dark: Krookadile
    Fairy: Togekiss

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    • Grass:Lurantis
      Water:Primarina
      Fire: Reshiram
      Normal: Lopunny
      Fighting: Mienshao
      Ghost: Mimikyu
      Bug: Vivillon
      Poison: Salandit/Roserade
      Psychic: Gothitelle/Gardevoir/Lunaala
      Ice: Frosalss
      Flying: Lugia
      Ground: Gliscore
      Rock: Diancie
      Electric: Ampharos
      Dragon: Noivern
      Steel: Klinklang
      Dark: Zoroark
      Fairy: Sylveon

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    • Grass Sceptile
      Water Greninja
      Fire Arcanine
      Normal Staraptor
      Fighting Lucario
      Ghost Gengar
      Bug Volcarona
      Poison Drapion
      Psychic Gallade
      Ice Mamoswine
      Flying Aerodactyl
      Ground Excadrill
      Rock Rhydon
      Electric Manectric
      Dragon Salamence
      Steel Scizor
      Dark Bisharp
      Fairy Gardevoir

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    • Grass: Ludicolo
      Water: Primarina
      Fire: Motisma-Oven
      Normal: Miltank
      Fighting: Emboar
      Ghost: Aegislash
      Bug: Heracross
      Poison: Crobat
      Psychic: Mushana
      Ice: Vanniluxe
      Flying: Jumpluff
      Ground: Golurk
      Rock: Sudowoodo
      Electric: Ampharos
      Dragon: Hydreigon
      Steel: Scizor
      Dark: Scrafty
      Fairy: Togekiss

      But it changes every let’s play, like Altaria is a tie for fav’ dragon type, and Florges for fav’ fairy type. And Primarina just dethroned Jellicent-F.

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    • Grass: Lilligant
      Fire: Infernape
      Water: If it counts, Brionne, if not, Quagsire.
      Normal: Audino
      Bug: Galvantula
      Flying: Sensu Oricorio
      Poison:
      Unrevealed-Salandit2, but Sea Urchin2 is a good candidate if it is Poison
      Revealed: Roserade
      Fighting: Mienshao
      Psychic: Alakazam
      Dark: Umbreon (Diving Bell Spider, then Pikipek3 if either turns out to be Dark)
      Rock: Diancie (Especially Mega)
      Ground: Nidoqueen
      Steel: Magearna
      Ghost: Froslass
      Dragon: Dragalge
      Fairy (and Favourite Overall): Primarina

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        • because there was no truly favorite then my Excadrill also i rigged for when it came to [all] Excadrill showed up but if i had to redo it maybe Krookodile

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          • Oops I meant Gen VI, hence the facetious tone due to Gen VI’s bad Ground numbers

            But Gen Vmust of been a really good Gen for you, the ground types were perf

          • it went downhill by mid gen 5
            that’s when Weather teams ruled like gods
            but that introduced my mortal enemy Keldeo and HA which though good introduced so much badness

            and now i can’t even take two steps without scald ruining my day or something like it

          • I used to run a pretty successful rain team on showdown a few years back well, successful for a 12/13 year old ^^; but looking back I don’t miss the weather wars one bit

    • Grass- Torterra
      Fire- Houndoom
      Water- Politoed
      Normal- Porygon2
      Electric- Dedenne
      Rock- Gigalith
      Flying- Togekiss
      Poison- Garbodor
      Ground- Flygon
      Psychic- Reunicleus
      Ghost- Gengar
      Bug- Venomoth
      Dragon- Goodra
      Ice- Mamoswine
      Fighting- Hitmontop
      Dark- Weavile
      Steel- Steelix
      Fairy- Sylveon

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    • Ok here we go! lol

      Normal: Furret
      Fighting: Hitmontop
      Flying: Oricorio (it’s just such a clever idea lol)
      Poison: Drapion
      Ground: Donphan
      Rock: Rampardos
      Bug: Vikavolt
      Ghost: Lunala
      Steel: Excadrill
      Fire: Alolan Marowak
      Water: Totodile (honorable shout out to Ludicolo who is duh man lol)
      Grass: Ferrothorn
      Electric: Heliolisk
      Psychic: Lugia
      Ice: Regice
      Dragon: Alolan Exeggutor
      Dark: Sneasel
      Fairy: Mimikyu

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    • No legends

      Grass: Sceptile
      Water: Greninja
      Fire: Charizard
      Normal: Snorlax
      Fighting: Blaziken
      Ghost: Gengar
      Bug: Shednja
      Poison: Nidoking
      Psychic: Alakazam
      Ice: Alolan Ninetales
      Flying: Gyarados
      Ground: Garchomp
      Rock: Tyranitar
      Electric: Manectric
      Dragon: Goodra
      Steel: Metagross
      Dark: Incineroar
      Fairy: Sylveon

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    • Grass: Serperior
      Fire: Flareon
      Water: Vaporeon
      Normal: Furret
      Flying: Lugia
      Bug: Beautifly
      Poison: Crobat
      Psychic: Victini
      Ice: Articuno
      Rock: Amaura
      Ground: Gliscor
      Electric: Emolga
      Dragon: Dragonair
      Fighting: Hawlucha
      Ghost: Decidueye
      Steel: Jirachi
      Dark: Umbreon
      Fairy: Sylveon

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  42. I see questions are a thing, so an odd one

    What’s everyone’s favourite Ultra Beast, aesthetically?

    If it’s leaked, please spoiler tag it!

    Mine is UB-02 Beauty :p

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  43. Another question since the conversation seems to be warming up: for those of you who give their Pokémon and characters backstories, do you give your starters the typical starter story or do you headcanon them otherwise?

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    • I play as though the whole pick your starter event didn’t happen. I like playing as though I received an egg from a breeder family friend who had given me the egg to take care of and through dedication and care I raised my first pokemon.

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  44. Poison Legendary

    What do you think it would be based on? Would it have an ability like Salandit’s? Or would it loosely be a poison type? Would it make Earthen proud? Would it be the ultimate fairy bane? Discuss! 😛

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  45. If Ash really did come to the game, I would be very happy, but not at all because I like Ash. I don’t watch the anime and I personally could care less whether he is in SUMO, but I’m friends with a little kid who looks up to Ash as the best pokemon trainer ever. Ash teaches kids about the value of friendship and the importance of being a good sport and being okay with losing. So for my buddy Luke to get to meet his Pokemon idol in-game would be adorable and an unforgettable experience for him. So sure, I’m okay with Ash being in my game.

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    • Is there any evidence that gyms will be in Sun and Moon at all? It just seems like a lot of post game content. (I’m not used to it from a Pokémon game except maybe SSHG and LGFR. :P)

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      • Its a hard call. We know that lot one is a big open lot since we can see it in the demo, so something likely goes there at some point. On the other hand we know that lot seven is a bunch of ruin’s since you can see it in the most recent trailer. So who knows. Honestly I wouldn’t be surprised given how much their trying to build around the game.

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      • It would be weird to have a league without gyms. Plus the chinese leaks (which have gotten NOTHING wrong yet) said “after you build a league, the E4 appears”, which implies that you there is something before the elite four.

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          • The island trial is not the same as the pokemon league in anyway, nor are they connected at all. The island trial is a rite of passage that anyone is supposed to be able to do (sry Guzma) and the pokemon league is supposed to be for the best only. Plus, you can’t enter the E4 without 8 badges for a reason (in previous games). If they let any old kid 11 year old kid who completed the island trials take on the E4, then they’d have way too many imcompetant challengers. Plus, they already have an “island challenge champion”, so they already have a endgame to the island challenge.

          • I’m pretty sure the island trials will also require skill seeing as they’ve actually got more fights to do than the Gym Challenge (7 Totems and 4 Kahunas), as well as requiring puzzle solving skills in universe.

          • Then it seems odd to have it be a rite of passage for 11 year old kids.
            Anyway, I’ve found something else: remember in the english trailer, the two construction workers who are saying “we’re going to build an awesome league here, so you’d better become an awesome trainer”? Well it appears that they are not on mount Lanakila, where the E4 and league is being held. If there isn’t gyms, and just the E4 and champion, then what could they possibly be constructing that isn’t on mount lanakila?

          • You’re missing the point.
            That was supposed to be a very rare occasion (this applies to every protag tbh). Not every 11 year old kid is expected to be able to beat the pokemon league, that is for the very best of the best. This is a rite of passage, implying that many people were able to complete it.

          • They never said it was a very rare occasion though, it’s easily possible that many kids beat all eight Gyms but just failed at the Elite 4

            And its implied that the island trials is a right of passage for trainers, seeing as the whole point is to battle and grow closer to your Pokémon. Not every kid in Alola is going to participate (for example, Lillie most likely won’t) due to how impractical it’d be and it’s never said how much people fail the rite and give up

          • The Hawaiian aka Alolan people hold tradition and nature as very important. So it’s not far fetched to assume they would keep their traditions and make their own rules of how they govern what is passable for their own league’s requirements. We’ve never seen how a league is formed so we have no clue how they are conducted. Just because all leagues thus far have had the same structure doesn’t particularly mean that Alola will follow its lead to the T.

          • That’s true. We’ll find out soon enough anyway. With all this, I’m betting (and hoping) that there will be post game gyms.

      • Also, GF said in a recent interview that they wanted to focus on longevity and post game this generation, so anything is possible.
        But yeah it’s sad that so many recent pokemon games have had virtually no post game.

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    • It makes the most sense for me to believe that gyms will arise post-game since a league will have formed. If not places for gyms, the empty lots might very well be landing pads for Charizard poke-ride feature.

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        • Idk, I feel if there’s Pokémon not in the Dex they’d be in small islands and nooks and crannies we didn’t get to explore, and just one of those would be to small alone and still wouldn’t give Komala an evo

          But if we get some evos of old Pokémon ill actually cry if one is an common prevo for Sawk and Throh, seeing as a common prevo for Miltank and Tauros looks unlikely

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          • That’d be amazing.
            I still think the alola dex is incomplete though, but there’s no way to tell for a while at this point.

    • What’s the possibility of them only having seven Gyms (or seven typed Gyms and one untyped to continue the Gen II feels Alola kinda gives off) in your opinion? I feel it’d be a good opportunity to show off every type with a specialist.

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      • It’s definitely a possibility at this point. It makes sense with the Z crystals, since there would be a notable character to give each one, rather than having some just lying around.

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        • I dunno, I feel like leaving some Z-Crystals post game would be kinda sucky, IMO I feel the best way to do it would mandatory Z-Crystal quest where you collect the 7 you don’t get from the Island Trial by revisiting old areas whilst simultaneously adding new trainers and dialogue there and keeping the story going

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  46. Also, what do you think will happen to the aether paradise after we take down the aether foundation? IMO it would be a good place for them to host the league but we’ve already seen that that’s on mount lanakila. Maybe a safari zone type thing, since it’s home to rare pokemon.

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    • I’d say just blow it up/destroy it. Like make a post game encounter involving Zygarde and an ultra Beast duke it out there, leveling the place into nothing and serving as a good battle field for a final battle.

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    • The Aether Foundation could easily remain friendly or get reformed and the Paradise can just stay the same with some post game quests and areas

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        • They have battle intros!? They must be evil! Like Hau, Kukui, Hala, Olivia, etc

          And regardless, it could easily just be a section of the Aether Foundation, or as I said, they get reformed. Lusamine has already made it clear she loves and respects Pokémon and has shown no disdain for humans as a whole, meaning her redemption will be easy

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    • I feel as though some members of the AF are truly good and that they’ll take over when the evil members are displaced.
      If not then maybe Kukui can requisition it and finally have an actual lab instead of a beach hut.

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  47. Yay!!! I’m finally getting my Gengar in Pokemon GO! Gengar is my second favorite Pokemon in Gen 1 so I’m so excited! If Pokemon GO did more events like this where certain pokemon are more common and you get more candies that would be amazing. Maybe double candy weekends? I need more excuses to get outside on the weekends

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  48. So, unorthodox question: for those of you with Pokémon playing friends and family who don’t frequent the jungle, what Pokémon are they going to start with?

    Pretty sure my youngest sister is going to start with Popplio, she’s seen Brionne and thinks it’s adorable and I feel she’ll really love Primarina

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  49. I don’t typically listen to video game music but just purchased the BW music off iTunes and I’m so happy. I could listen to this forever.

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  50. Does anybody know when people are going to receive their s/m copies for review? Two days till November, so we’re pretty close (yeah!). Also, you know how long before we get Famitsu score?

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  51. Odd question, but does anyone else have their FC memorized? I’ve typed mine out so many times that somewhere along the way I’ve committed it to memory.

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  52. Anyone want to trade FCs? Mine is 2767-2720-7405

    And if you see someone in your friends list on pokemon with random names and appearances after you add me, it’s almost definitely me with one of my theme teams or characters. Right now on X, my character is called Janet for my Rocky Horror Team

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    • GG and I know, we always have super crazy matches ^^
      And yeah, and my crit on Earthquake probably mattered as your Ampharos would have lived it

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  53. can u guys add me 2638-2631-7157 i used to have most of you but i got a new 3ds. ill add u back once i finish up this dexnav

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  54. Seeing as there’s a bit of FC exchange going on, have any of you ever had a Friend safari of yours spawn in a type that suited you? My current one is Fire iirc so flaming homo jokes have been made XD

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  55. Guys, seeing as all this FC exchanges are going on, we should totally plan some sort of casual (so no competitive Pokémon, just for fun) battle thing for SuMo 😮

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  56. My favorite themes from Pokemon:
    – Wally’s battle theme
    – X and Y credits theme
    – Emotions
    – Zinnia’s battle theme
    – Wally’s Emotion
    – Diantha, Iris, and Cynthia’s battle themes
    – Most of HeartGold and SoulSilver
    – Most of Platinum
    – Most of Black and White and Black and White 2
    – HGSS, BW2, BW, and Platinum ending themes
    – ALL the route 1 themes
    – Nuvema Town

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  57. Alright guys, two things

    1) This is more interesting for you guys-who wants to do an in-game team tournament on November 30-December-5ish kinda time period? It’d be a week after the international release and gives ample time to give your team TMs and the like

    2) SO THERE WAS A KNOCK AT MY DOOR AND I WAS PITCH BLACK SO WE THOUGHT
    IT WAS A CLOWN BECAUSE THEY’RE HAVING A PURGE TODAY AND TOMORROW IN THE UK APPARENTLY

    SO MY SISTER OPENED THE DOOR AND

    I was jump scared by an adorable 3 year old who still can’t pronounce my name despite being my cousin and my uncle XS

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  58. I feel that it’s unlikely to get the mods to make a seperate “Friday night battle” article, but we should just do it anyway lol.

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  59. It’s scary how these regions only have 500 – 1,000 people living… Makes you wonder if the Great Pokemon War wiped out like 75% of the population and the protagonists are living in a post-apocalyptic world.

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  60. Alright guys, competitive and casual tournaments on the official games seem to be a popular idea! So how about we do some theme tourneys?

    I was thinking

    Casual: Christmas (Red, Green and White Pokémon, Ice-Types, Tree Pokémon and some sort of Reindeer stand in-only Red, Green, Yellow (Gold) and White Z-Crystal also are allowed

    Competitive: something festive, but not as restrictive as Casual

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  61. Aw……..come on I missed everyone sharing FCs…….Well just in case anyone wants to swap with me here’s mine…4768-7447-7816. I think I have some of you guys, but I’m not sure who. My name is Alec just in case you already have me and want to double check lol I’ll add anyone I don’t have. Just leave your codes for me to collect at my leisure. hahaha

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    • I think Brendan and Gary are among the worse. With Gary, he’s just do dickish that it’s to the point where I pity him for trying to one up us and act cocky when he really can’t.
      With Brendan, I just find him super bland and something just rubs me off the wrong way.
      Plus those two don’t change in the games, like nothing about them shows they’ve learned anything and changed in any way.
      I love Hugh because there is actual change there. He opens up to you and learns that you will be there for him and that you are a bigger friend that he has ever treated you. And his Purrlion arc also helps him grow. I just love it.
      But, we can agree to disagree, es all cool. Different opinions makes life much more interesting.

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    • Yeah Huge was……..well he could have been better. His design was good and it was cool having a rival that had a story of his own going on in the background, but yeah….all he did was complain the entire time and it definitely made me think less of him lol

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      • Like I’m on the Plasma Frigate in Driftveil and we are fighting Team Plasma and he is like “It was youuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu who stole my sister’s purrloin!!”

        And isn’t it so weird that it is his sister’s? Not his? Why doesn’t his sister get it instead? Or just make it his Purrloin as his sister doesn’t seem to care all that much

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        • Well to be fair she’s much younger than you and him so it makes sense that he’d be the one going after it, but yeah….he really needed to chill out. You’re having these epic battles and all of a sudden Huge shows up and starts making it about himself hahahaha

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    • You can’t deny that his theme is good though.

      Also, no, shauna was THE most one dimensional character in pokemon history, hugh was better.

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  62. So is anyone doing anything special for Halloween? I’m giving all my friends and sister a Small Gourgeist (Pumpkaboo but it’ll evolve).

    There’s nothing special about them at all? But does anyone want one?

    EDIT: I said the wrong size, it’s the right one now

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  63. Anyone care to list the favorite Pokémon by type?
    Grass: Lilligant
    Water: Tentacruel
    Fire: Houndoom
    Normal: Zangoose
    Flying: Staraptor
    Fighting: Machamp
    Poison: Crobat
    Electric: Galvantula
    Bug: Scizor
    Rock: Tyrantrum
    Ground: Gliscor
    Ghost: Aegislash
    Psychic: Espeon
    Ice: Weavile
    Dragon: Hydreigon
    Dark: Greninja
    Steel: Excadrill
    Fairy: Azumarill

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  64. A bit off topic but it’s something that plays a role in everyone’s life

    What’s everyone’s favourite song? Like, an actual song with lyrics.

    Right now mines has to be this version of Sweet Transvestite

    https://youtu.be/Q5_mxUuj_jw

    (Note: If anyone is confused as to why Laverne is singing she’s a Transvestite whilst she’s an obvious woman (referred to as female throughout the film) wearing what is traditionally woman’s clothing, she’s stated that it’s due to the film being set in the seventies, which sadly was a terrible period to be trans (her version of Frank is seemingly FTM) and Transvestite would probably used to refer to them. Seemingly, her character has adopted the term similar to how different minorities have adopted words that were once slurs to use as slang.)

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  65. Time to promote some discussion: do you think there will be gyms in the post game? Yay or nay? Why?

    (asking “Why?” after a question makes me feel like a teacher writing a test lol.)

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  66. Gonna kinda separate this from the below question due to being only slightly related

    If the theory of Gyms is correct, what types do you guys want? Tbh I’m just predicting seven and then they’re just the types that have been missed out so far

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  67. Ive been coming to pokebeach for months now and have been lurking on all the comments and finally decided to join in! Hello everyone!

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  68. So, it seems that we have seen all of the info we will see until release (unless we get another XY situation). At this point, where all we can do is wait for release to get more info, what are your final hopes for the games?

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  69. Did you guys see the Gamestop newsletter?
    Apparently they’re bringing the Z-ring toy westwards…
    I will be the prettiest deer with that ring~

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  70. So if you were a gym leader what type would you be? What order in the gym line up would you be in and who would your team be with what levels?

    I think mine would be a Fairy type gym. Fourth or fifth in the line up.
    I’d have
    -Comfey lv 31
    -Togetic lv 29
    -Sylveon lv 32
    -Alolan Ninetales lv 34

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  71. Seeing as questions are propping up, here’s a more restricted one to promote compromise and thought

    You’re an Elite 4, every member of your team must be holding an item, and one must hold a Z-Crystal of your type or Mega Stone-not allowing both in one team. Pokémon that Mega Evolve into your type are okay. You also have to have your team layed out with these specific levels and number of members

    Lv. 52
    Lv. 53
    Lv. 53
    Lv.53
    Lv.55

    With no underleveled mons and your Mega /Z-Move Pokémon must be the highest level.

    Note: Extreme Evoboost (if anyone would actually use it) and Pulverising Pancake count for Normal, and Stoked Sparksurfer and Catastropika court for Electric.

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    • Copy and pasting this since I’d want the same team anyway lol

      Fairy type, 7th gym (or elite 4 member hehe) and since I’m from Hawaii irl, I’d want to be based in Alola!

      Primarina lv.55 & Shiny Lopunny lv.53 my main Pokémon)
      Alolan Ninetales lv.53
      Sylveon lv.53
      Togekiss lv.53
      Wigglytuff lv.52

      Oh, skipping items and obviously I’d mega evolve lopunny. I know she isn’t fairy… but please let me have her!!!! Lol

      rf for pic
      https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/3a9dfb921752d7a9ee0745bae34fd82c9b9d0f40088af671be541d16a88ebcda.jpg

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        • Very true.

          Btw, I’m Tevis. It feels weird to finally be talking to you… because I lurk PJ 24/7 and feel like I know all of you already

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          • Well then, welcome!

            It’s not unusual to lurk for a while and then join, actually helps quite a lot because you know what people speak about to get the best conversation and avoid arguments

    • Here’s mine: Electric.

      Lv. 52-Galvantula (Focus Sash-Compound Eyes-Sticky Web/Thunder/Giga Drain/Bug Buzz)

      Lv. 53-Rotom Wash (Choice Scarf-Levitate-Volt Switch/Hydro Pump/Trick/Will-o-Wisp)

      Lv. 53-Emolga (Flying Gem-Motor Drive-Nuzzle/Wild Charge/Acrobatics/Return)

      Lv. 53 Heliolisk (Air Balloon-Dry Skin-Electric Terrain/Volt Switch/Surf/Dark Pulse)

      Lv. 55 Alolan Raichu (Electrium Z or ‘Raichium Z’* – Surge Surfer-Thunderbolt (Gigavolt Havoc, Stoked Sparksurfer*), Psyshock Surf**, Nasty Plot)

      *Raichium and Stoked Sparksurfer if it doesn’t require a physical electric move on Raichu

      **If it learns it, Grass Knot otherwise

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      • I would be the first Normal type elite 4 member!

        Chansey lv 52
        Porygon-Z lv 53
        Slaking lv 53
        Silvally lv 54
        Mega Pidgeot lv 54
        (They’re both 54 cause they’re both my mains, kinda like how Lorelei had jynx and Lapras at the same levels)

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    • – Gardevoir, Lv. 55 w/ Gardevoirite (Hyper Voice, Moonblast, Psychic, and Shadow Ball)
      – Sylveon, Lv. 53 w/ Choice Specs (Hyper Voice, Moonblast, Wish, and Hidden Power)
      – Clefable, Lv. 53 w/ Leftovers (Moonblast, Calm Mind, Cosmic Power, and Baton Pass)
      – Sigilyph, Lv. 53 w/ Flame Orb (Calm Mind, Psychoshift, Roost, and Stored Power)
      – Whimsicott, Lv. 52 w/ Leftovers (Moon-Blast, Leech Seed, U-Turn, and Encore)

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    • alright werk: Psychic

      lv. 52 – Jynx (Sash- Dry Skin – Lovely Kiss, Nasty Plot, Ice Beam, Focus Blast)
      lv. 53 – Girafarig (Band – Sap Sipper – Return, Earthquake, Crunch, Zen Headbutt)
      lv. 53 – Gallade(Life Orb – Justified – Bulk Up, Drain Punch, Knock Off, Zen Headbutt)
      lv. 53 – Beeheyem (Leftovers – Analytic – Calm Mind, Recover, Psychic, Shadow Ball)
      lv 55 – Slowbro (Slowbronite – Regenerator – Calm Mind, Rest, Scald, Sleep Talk)

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  72. I’m so bored, this is going to be the longest 19 days of my life, isn’t it? -_-

    Side note: is bulbapedia acting sorta virusy for anyone else? If I stay on it for more than a minute or so it take me to a “you’ve been selected for a free 1000 dollar gift card” thing.

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  73. It’s so interesting how in a matter of years the amount of hate for the LGBT community has continually decreased to the point where people feel sympathetic enough to stand up for individuals being harassed. Although there’s much work to be done, the amount of love that has poured out in light of recent horrific attacks on the community and its individuals, the world is becoming more accepting and if 2016 is anything to go by: love is love and hatred and segregation are taught, so let’s all continue to teach positivism and love for one another wherever our lives may take us!

    Sorry for the awkward non-topic post, but I wanted to share how proud I am of how accepting we’ve become even if there is a lot of work to be done.

    Night Jungle! <3

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  74. SO for anyone who saw the leaks, what is your fav shiny this gen? for me its Minior because its like a secret minior colour and its super cool!!! It will be the first hunt I go on

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  75. theory time: what if the reason why there are so many standalones pokemon this gen is because for the first time in pokemon history a remake will bring new pokemon aka evolutions for old pokemon aka Sinnoh remakes will have new evolutions for the standalones in SM

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  76. Going off of thegreatcarbinkle’s theory earlier, if we had another sinnoh-like gen that introduced evolutions, what would you like to see?

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  77. Alright, I have another question.
    What is your favorite and least favorite new Alola Pokemon (even the leaked ones)?
    What about Alola forms (favorite and least favorite)?

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  78. So can we just take a moment to consider the fact that Wishiwashis “form” is basically just an evolution, like its activated when it reaches a certain level and from what I can tell its permanent so like once it reaches that level you will always be battling with the school form

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  79. So what was the origin behind everyone’s usernames?

    For me, I like stars and I like the word so I’m sitting there thinking of a name with Star in it then I think of earthbound, and I love Earthbound and it is my favorite game so I’m just like “… !! StarStorm!” And that was how SilverRiolu became StarStorm!

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  80. Whats everyone playing/doing in their spare time to pass the next 3 weeks? ive got the old hunters DLC for bloodborne, and the chalice dungeons to keep me occupied. one of my favorite games, top 3 for sure.

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  81. Earthen bored…I think I might call it a night
    Tomorrow I’m gonna rot the teeth out of my skull and maybe bang my neighbors truck in the cover of darkness

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    • Something weird in this generation specially for Rowlet and Litten their stat r not matched with their final evolution……I mean Incineroar didn’t look that fast and Decidueye did’t looks have good amount of HP.

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    • It could evolve in another region. It might not truly be native to Alola. Atleast that is my point of view and could also refer to some of the other pokemon like cutieflys evolution. I think the cutiefly line could use another evolution. Also Drampa needs a prevolution. Maybe the next region/games will have these things.

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  82. Just gonna put this out there.
    It makes a lot of sense that Salandit’s evo is a Raptor. The word raptor is derived from a Latin word that means “to take something by force or without permission”
    If they are staying with the idea of a lizard-ish thing that’s a crook, then yeah. The perfect name WOULD be Krookodile, but….

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  83. I’m gonna leave the sad news here:

    In the last trailer Rowlet has 47 HP at level 16 and in a different screenshot it has 50 at level 15 (consider that Tepix max HP at level 15 are 49). Now assuming it has something like 67 base HP (if 50 is the max it can reach at level 16) in pokemon history when a starter has a stat over 60 in its base form, that stat is never below 100 in its last stage. Now assuming that Decidueye HP will be somthing like 105-115, I’m sorry to announce that that looking at the speed chart of all pokemon, excluding Legends, Mega and Slaking (which all have a lot of base stats), there is not a single pokemon with base HP over 100 and a base speed over 90 (only Darmaritan has 105 base Hp and 95 base speed). So. in my opinion the best speed Decidueye can reach is 90.
    This said, here are my new stat prediction for Decidueye:

    110-120-60-80-70-90 at best
    110-100-65-90-85-80 at worst (This will be the end of the owl competitivle cause is not a sweeper and not a wall, just a neutral).

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        • It’s stats are a bit strange, considering it’s speed was its lowest in two evolutions
          Besides, what if the stats become something entirely random? Would that REALLY be the weirdest thing done in sun and moon so far?

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          • Yeah I think it would be really weird. The only possibility is that it will normal HP when it become a ghost. The problem is that Drifblim exists and this means also ghosts can have high HP. Probably Rowlet has 50 base speed, this also explain why it seems Incineroar cannot be that fast, cause probably it is not. We always assumed Litten was fast just because it was faster then Rowlet, which looked like a fast pokemon. Probably Incineroar will ends up with 100 base speed like most fire starter, which is good but not in the Greninja way. I think GF is tired of all this speed and Priority in competitive. This is why probably all this new ability/moves preventing priority are in s/m.

          • True, though I see Rowlet pulling extremely Greninja or Infernape like stats in my honest opinion. Spirt Shackle is such a good move too…

          • A move that actually doen’t fit a sweeper. Think about it. Sweepers are sweeper cause they are able to kill the target in 1-2 turns. What’s the point for Decidueye to lose a turn preveting the target to switch? I think this means it can take a few hits, maybe at cost of some attack and speed.

          • I know that much… But honestly, you never know with GF, they pull random stuff sometimes
            (If it was a sweeper with that move, I could see some nice switch play strats

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