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Today’s post is about the Chinese Riddler who has recently teased information about the evolution of Salandit, one of the Pokémon revealed this summer. They have said that it will relate to one of four characters: a kyūbi (9-tailed fox), Cleopatra, the gorgons or a siren. The below image was included in his post:

img_1366In the description of Salandit, many fans noticed that it mentioned females being able to produce pheromones capable of attracting males of any species, Pokémon and human alike.

See any resemblance to one of those in its appearance or lore? Post your sleuthing and theories down in the comments!

In addition they stated that we do not know everything about the Alolan starters, even after seeing their second evolutions and the leaked third stages. Mysterious!

  • UnburdenedLegume

    Riddler <3

  • UnburdenedLegume

    So I was watching the new Legendaries trailer, and I noticed a text balloon from an NPC called Ilima who said ”and my trial”. So that means there are more than 4 Trial Captains?

    • Monkeyfuzz

      Yep, this was disqussed yesterday a fair bit. I personally hope they are Ice or Dark type so if they are revealed they might show one of those types with them. Of course “and my trial” could be totally unrelated and be a bit of a red herring.

      • UnburdenedLegume

        Ehh Ilima is Hawaiian for flower, its also a feminine name. So probably female and perhaps a Fairy-type captain. We have a few Fairy type flowers like the Flabebe line and Comfey

        • UnburdenedLegume

          Could also be a Bug-specialist though since Ilima is also a moth found in British-Colombia Canada.

          • Monkeyfuzz

            Ah didn’t know that, thanks for the information 🙂 I would actually like a combination of both types, change things up. Either way they can have one of the Cutiefly line.

    • Alyssa Dunn

      i guess so because serebii said that llima could have a trial.

  • Alyssa Dunn

    why would it be that a lizard could possibly be any of these with an evolution

    • UnburdenedLegume

      Plenty of example of evolution designs that doesn’t make sense. Not like Game Freak has ever cared about that lol.

    • MelloMori

      “In the description of Salandit, many fans noticed that it mentioned females being able to produce pheromones capable of attracting males of any species, Pokémon and human alike.”

      Medusa was known for her beauty until she was cursed, nine-trailed foxes are often portrayed as beautiful women, Cleopatra was seen as beautiful in here time and has still remained an image of beauty into our modern lexicon, and Sirens are usually shown to be beautiful, leading sailors to their death.

      All of them at some point did use their beauty to manipulate men in some way, some worse then others. So who knows.

    • Yu Narukami

      Clamperl, Remoraid,etc.

  • Monkeyfuzz

    Perhaps it’s yet another split evolution, this time for genders. As long as it’s not a Vespiquen situation it should be good. Out of those 4 the Kiyubi and Gorgon seem most likely to influence the evolution. The siren would be to do with the pheromone luring. Not sure on Cleopatra beyond a Greek/Egyptian theme.

  • Charl Francois Marais

    Concerning that post though I don’t know too much about Kyubis or Cleo’s charisma and Sirens could only affect males and Salandit is a reptile so I’m gonna go with Gorgon ?

    • Wes

      Actually Sirens can affect any gender. They transform into whatever their prey desires most in a lover and then lure them in with their song.

  • Deerlia

    Thank you all for the wonderful birthdeer wishes, i’ll publish something relevant soon~

  • SpectralSeraph

    If a Gorgon Salandit is real I will lose my shit in the best of ways

    • rhomba

      I’ve wanted a gorgon pokemon for so long!

  • Golden_Monferno

    Was expecting Salandit to evolve, but not in this way lol. Out of all the options, I would say the Gorgon looks the most realistic for an evolution of Salandit.

  • UnburdenedLegume

    By the way, the data broadcasts for the last 3 episodes of XYZ have been released.

    Dedenne
    Yveltal
    Stunfisk

    My guess is that Dedenne is the farewell episode, Yveltal the XYZ special and Stunfisk perhaps a return of Iris and Cilan? Or just Cilan?

    • Superqami

      “Hey, Cilan! So where have you been?” “I was in Kanto and I met an amazing breeder, his name was Brock” “Brock?” “Yeah” “I used to travel with him, he used to cook food for us” “GASP”

  • TheSunnyMonster6893

    Based on the description of Salandit from the website I’d say either Cleopatra or the gorgon are pretty safe bets. If it’s really the gorgon I wonder how they’d implement the snake hair part. I can’t imagine Salandit all of a sudden growing a bunch of snakes out of it’s hair lol

    • That red making on it’s back could become something snake-like?

      • TheSunnyMonster6893

        That’s true. I suppose they could turn into snakes or something. Whenever I look at the markings it only reminds me of those sticky hands you whip at people and windows lol

        • That’s exactly what they remind me of haha

    • UnburdenedLegume

      Read MelloMori’s comment below. A Medusa-inspired evolution would make sense.

      • Ben

        I first read this as Masuda-inspired evolution xD

  • Ithsme

    I’m just hoping he’s right about the BF, if that was what he was hinting at. Also the starter thing makes me think “dual evos?” but in reality it’s probably a Z form.

    • TheSunnyMonster6893

      Idk if it’d be Z forms/moves or whatever. I feel like it’s supposed to be something special. If it’s just Z forms/moves then in the future any of the other starters could potentially get therm. However, if it’s split forms for the final evos then that’s forever and would set the gen 7 starters apart from all the rest making them REALLY special.

  • Ithsme

    Also I want the Kyubi.

  • Wes

    What if he/she is just trolling us, and Salandit gets a fourway evolution, taking from each of those four sources for inspiration? Kind of like a Tyrogue-type branch evolution?

  • PitogoXD

    Just don’t hurt my favourite pokemon of this region, please GF.

  • Ultron

    I’m getting pretty tired of this person’s riddles honestly…if they’re not going to tell us then what’s the point? The game is a month away and it’s not like they’re giving us anything to go by.

    • Wes

      I think it’s an issue of the leaker’s ego. They probably get off on that “I told you so” feeling, even if they never actually reveal their true identity.

    • Yu Narukami

      I think legal issues might be a problem. If he/she flat out said it, they’d get shut down by Nintendo.
      Alternatively, it’s just more fun this way.

    • UnburdenedLegume

      I think its pretty obvious that the riddler is a Game Freak employee or is directly involved with one. If they flat out reveal direct information, they could get into some serious trouble.

      • Ultron

        I’m sure they could already get in big trouble though just from this.

    • Ithsme

      I love them, we get info but also speculation, I seriously don’t see why people hate him.

      • Ultron

        Because he hasn’t revealed anything at all.

        • Of Moose & Men

          Exactly, and that is their “barrier” of sorts. That’s what they have to hide behind if they do somehow manage to get caught. All they have done is given us hints as to what they are. They aren’t anything anyone can actually come to a concrete image of which can be frustrating, but I think it’s pretty cool to speculate about whatever it may be.

        • UnburdenedLegume

          But they have foreshadowed on almost everything that has been revealed so far. Its not a coincedence anymore. You can’t be just lucky guessing all this info

  • Bruno_Ostara

    Since the leaker stated in the same rumour that we don’t know everything about the starters yet, what if one of the images is abou salandit and the other three are actually about the starters?

    • Wes

      Hmm it’s possible. The siren would obviously be for Popplio. And that image of Cleopatra had a bird-like headdress, so maybe that’s another evolution for Rowlet. And then the gorgon could be a Litten evolution since some speculated Fire/Poison.

      • Bruno_Ostara

        Thats why I thought about this, but I think the gorgon could be salandit and kyubi Litten maybe.

        • Wes

          That works as well. I guess only time will tell!

      • ck

        Hm wouldn’t make much sense for the riddler to include the siren though, since we already know this will probably be Popplio’s final evolution. Why include another form for Rowlet’s final evolution and possibly Litten’s but not include another for Popplio’s?

    • Kuei300

      That could be the case

    • Liza Ro

      Unlikely because he did two separate posts. The first one was about Salandit and who among the four in the pictures served as an inspiration for it. The second post dealt with the starters.

  • Ben

    Description-wise, Madusa evolution makes the most sense. However, my initial reaction was that it might have the cleopatra evolution. For some reason, I can see Salandit taking on an Egyptian-inspired look.

  • jk

    What is there more to know? We have a kinda decent one, a transgender one and the standard fire/fighting looking one. Unless they have alternative forms (which is unlikely), we shouldn’t keep any hopes at all about them.

    • PandaPanda

      Why did you describe Popplio and its evos as transgender? Just because it’s more feminine? I’m sorry, as a trans woman, I just found that comment irritating… You wouldn’t describe a female Machoke or a male Gothitelle as transgender, so why do that to Popplio and Brionne?

  • agomon26

    I loaf this riddler person

    • rhomba

      I hate bread too.

  • HIYAStar

    It’s going to be a split-evolution though, right? Are they going to just throw away the “bandit” motif like that?

    • ck

      The ‘bandit’ motif will still be there. If it’s evolution is a seductress in the vein of Cleopatra or Medusa, then it steals men’s hearts, no?

      • ck

        its*

      • HIYAStar

        ? I guess so.

  • EarthenWarrior

    my original idea was a fat disgusting Komodo Dragon like Pokemon that constantly oozes flammable slimes/mucus from its back and tail and spit vile purple toxin enriched flames

    it gushes a flammable mucus onto its prey and all around it and ignites it, its skin is extremely fireproof that it can even sleep in an inferno and not feel the pain, and its vile mouth is filled with horrifyingly high levels of bacteria that few can live after being bitten

    • UnburdenedLegume

      Pokemon needs more fat

      • EarthenWarrior

        yep

    • Yu Narukami

      Sounds like the second coming of Purugly.

      • EarthenWarrior

        Well it’s a salamander and a Komodo dragon would feel acceptable and I’m sick of seeing overzealous evolutions, that it needs a flashy gimmick to survive in this age of hyper criticism (don’t deny it) but I want to see a fat disgusting grungy Lizard who’s vile habits speak for itself

      • Exeledus

        If i catch anyone insulting one of the best pokemon, i gotta interfere. First ones free: you didnt realise how amazing Purugly is. I get it.

    • Monkeyfuzz

      It may be of interest to know that Komodo Dragons actually have very good dental hygiene, contrary to popular belief. The bacteria in their mouths is no more than many other carnivores. They do however have a form of Venom.
      Not sure if it being fat would fit it’s bandit theme.

    • Takumi

      This implies the evolution to Salandit is slow and I don’t really want that.

  • Daedardus
    • Ithsme

      XD

    • Leo

      DEAD

    • towelgirl21

      Classic.

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    • Pharap

      Please don’t remind me of Oedipus, I never want to hear the words “Oedipus Complex” as long as I live. Dammit Freud!

  • UnburdenedLegume

    BREAKING: Pokenchi to have a ”huge presentation” on Sun and Moon game & anime info on October 16th (Serebii on Twitter)

    • Ithsme

      So what’s new? You don’t really expect them to reveal anything do you? They’ve had “special presentations” for months. :/

      • UnburdenedLegume

        It doesn’t specify whether its new info or not. Its most likely just a big recap of what has been revealed in recent weeks though.

  • UnburdenedLegume
    • SpectralSeraph

      So I wasn’t alone!

    • yo

      hahahahahaha

    • Daedardus

      But it doesn’t have hands to talk with…

    • PikaThePandaMan

      Can it-a make a beautiful pizza- pie?

  • Natsu

    Wouldn’t surprise me considering Salandit is based off of bandits, and grave robbers and bandits were huge back in Egypt and even more so after the fall of its empire.

  • Chaos

    Oh god, Please save the Salamander.

    Please don’t turn it into something stupid.

    • Pokemania88

      I reeeeeeeally want salandit’s evo to be awesome. It’s probably one of my favorites from gen 7 so far. Along with Passimian.

  • libra

    It’s likely that Z-Form he detailed about the starters. I’m quite sure Salandit will have a split evolution depending on it’s gender. Both would likely act as thieves or bandits, basically using different means to steal. I just cannot wait for this Friday and Saturday. If someone hasn’t posted it yet; there is about to be some S/M news on Pokenchi. There is supposed to be gameplay and news on the anime. Yet, I don’t trust Pokenchi after all of the past disappointments.

    • KinglyGoldenFuzzy

      Pokenchi is always full of shit. 90% of the time, they reveal nothing we weren’t already shown in the previous announcement by GF, and the times they do is very small wedges of info better left to be snipped out by the more dedicated info watchers.

    • Pokemania88

      Do we know if it is 100% a form we are talking about or is that what we speculate the riddler is mentioning.

      Cuz I really don’t think that if he didn’t say it’s a form, that it’s going to be a form, I think it will be something minor.

  • Armaggedon16

    Couldn’t we have had a normal Komado Dragon

    • temporario23

      Indeed. I was hoping for a Komodo Dragon. If it’s going to be something stupid or humanoid, I think I won’t use Salandit anymore on my team.

      • Aly el Din Mohamed

        Probabbly a sexy lizard with hair and hips

    • towelgirl21

      I want a Commando Dragon! In both senses. hahahah

    • Samso

      We technically still could. Remember, leaks have hinted at Salandit having split gender evos. Fire/poison is just too perfect for a komodo dragon for them not to take that opportunity… and they are island-bound species, works perfect for the Alola region!

    • Rockypockypuff

      Why a lizard at all? It’s obviously based of a fire salamander… I would love it to be a big beefy japanese giant salamander based pokémon.

  • Natsu

    What if the starters’ secret is they can transform via Battle Bond or an alternate form of Battle Bond akin to Ash-Greninja? Wouldn’t surprise me. Hopefully they are alternate evolutions for each version of the game: Sun/Moon or night/day forms.

  • Monkeyfuzz

    I would have expected Sobek more than Cleopatra https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/04/Sobek_Oxford.jpg

    • Shady

      I would like seeing Sobek as a legendary.

      • Monkeyfuzz

        I agree, though as inspiration for part of Salandit I wouldn’t mind it.

    • PikaThePandaMan

      I can see that

  • So….. Succubus anyone?

    • Nickerton

      If so I’ll name mine Bo for sure. Kudos if you get that reference

      • antoviuswolf

        I genuinely miss that series. Bo was so badass

        • Nickerton

          Someone else actually watched it :’)

  • Exeledus

    What ideas it ends up like combee where only females evolve?

    • Ithsme

      Yeah, this is what I’d like to know as well if the game gets datamined. My list of questions:
      – Battle frontier or something similar (not just one facility)?
      – Substantial post game?
      – How many new pokes?
      – Obscure evo methods (other than levels and stones)?

      • Chaos

        You can’t pick and choose what you want. It’s all or nothing.

        • Nintendalek42

          Err, yes you abolutely can. You just need to ask someone you trust and who’s eager for spoilers

          • Chaos

            Rule #1
            Trust no one.

            Rule #2
            All or nothing.

          • Ithsme

            That’s your opinion though, there are a few people here that I trust greatly and trust enough to tell me correct information.

          • Chaos

            This was a joke mainly, but I’m surprised at the number of people taking it seriously

          • EarthenWarrior

            The dual golden rules

          • TheNintendoChip

            If you should trust no one, then how can you trust yourself?
            If you can’t trust yourself, then why should you believe what you just said?

            There is no arguable reason why you should trust yourself more than any other person [Epistemic egoism]. Suppose you and some other person obtained knowledge through the exact same circumstances, by the exact same method. Why should you choose not to believe them, when there is no difference between your grounds for trusting yourself over your grounds for trusting someone else.

          • Akiran Drake (Nightshade)

            Who says I trust myself.

          • TheNintendoChip

            It isn’t a matter of saying if you do or don’t; You must trust yourself. Because if you didn’t, then you would never act. You wouldn’t trust the words you say, the movements you do, the sights you see, etc. You wouldn’t trust your faculties, both perceptual [the 5 sense + proprioception] and epistemic [testimony, logic, memory, introspection, etc.]. And if you don’t trust these, then you don’t trust the knowledge you obtain from them. As it turns out, all knowledge must be acquired through these faculties, so you wouldn’t have any knowledge. And if you don’t have any knowledge, then you don’t act.

          • Chaos

            One difference. You are aware of your own thought process.

            You can’t trick yourself, you can’t keep information from yourself, you can’t hide an agenda from yourself. Ergo the most trustworthy person is yourself, since you can’t hide anything from yourself.

            Two people with the same upbringing and education will not always form the same opinions.

          • Akiran Drake (Nightshade)

            I completely agree with rule one. Not so much with Rule 2.

          • Ithsme

            Oh, beat me to it! xD

        • Ithsme

          What do you mean? Of course I can choose, I’ll just ask someone on the forums who I trust.

      • Nintendalek42

        I’m the same, I want to know the number of new pokémon, alolan forms, UBs, legendaries and mythicals, and if miracles are a thing new megas or new evos/prevos, as well as the potential existence of a substantial postgame, and maybe also what the deal with UBs is catching wise because I don’t like them, especially not as pokémon.
        But I don’t actually want to know the new pokémon, the story details and all that, I want to discover it for myself. I just want to know what I’m in for, especially if it’s disappointment (which is highly possible considering GF’s past record), similar to X&Y where spoilers on the number of pokémon and lack of substantial postgame told me it wasn’t worth the effort not to get spoiled.

        For weird evolution methods I kind of want to be left in the dark and see for myself though , I mean I’ll have the guide anyway in case I’m completely stumped.

  • Rocke

    part of me wonders why people dislike these so much. They’re riddles. Who doesn’t like a good riddle, lol?

    • EarthenWarrior

      Nobody wants a damn cocktease
      It’s either you have info or you’re vaguely leaking assumptions
      Except In this case this guy can’t be held down and confronted so yeah

      • Rocke

        do you seriously think these are assumptions at this point? And I’m ok with what he’s doing personally. to each their own of course but I just think its fun

    • LinksDaydream

      I love riddles, that stimulate your mind by getting it thinking of the possibilities, I don’t understand why someone would dislike a riddle either, I mean if you don’t like it just ignore it but I see way too many people here getting angry about them, like chill people

    • TexasDarkTrainer

      But these aren’t riddles. Riddles provide enough information for the correct answer to be worked out without needing to be revealed. These vague, if correct, hints can only be guessed at and usually only make sense in hindsight. Sure a Pikachu covered in a sheet was an appropriate image, but it doesn’t provide enough information to reach the conclusion that Mimikyu was a ghost disguised as Pikachu. It just makes sense in hindsight.

      • Takumi

        This is because of the awful name he’s given. A better name would be the hinter.

        • TexasDarkTrainer

          The Chinese Teaser, since all he’s providing is teaser images.

        • Takumi

          I’m enjoying them anyway. Speculation is fun to me.

      • Natsu

        What more do you want? They may not be riddles, but some of the original claims at trying to debunk the riddler was, “He only gives general ideas of what the Pokemon may be inspired from that anybody with a creative mind could come up with,” when in actuality the riddler is by far the most consistent leaker of Pokemon news up to this point. I think you guys want something along the lines of, “Here’s a rough sketch of the Pokemon, hopefully I don’t lose my job, bye!”

        • TexasDarkTrainer

          Except he isn’t leaking information, he’s only hinting at it. Sure, leaking information is hazardous to your job if you work for the company. But if you’re so afraid of getting fired for leaking information that you don’t actually leak any real information, you just vaguely hint at it, why bother? The reason people don’t like the vague hints is that while they might be fun to guess at, they don’t actually provide information. Other leakers outright state a theme for the pokemon (as the “Chinese leaker” stated with the archer, wrestler, siren leak for the starters) or provide typings or some other hard information. That’s why some folks don’t care for the teaser images this “riddler” reveals, they aren’t actually leaks. He may be consistent, but when you can only figure out what he meant after the official reveal, why bother? Might as well just wait for the official reveal, cause you didn’t have any better information before hand.

          • Natsu

            I understand and concur with your stance: the leaker is such an unfitting name when you only use vague hints and pictures to rile up discussion. They are only truly visible in hindsight and provide very little contextual clues to help base anything on what the Pokemon may be.

      • qolf

        facts

  • Trav11111

    I really don’t care for the Riddler’s “leaks”. They feel like educated guesses that you can take many different ways, then when something new comes out it vaguely fits and he gets credit.

    • UnburdenedLegume

      Lmao state of this

  • Leo

    I can’t wait for the games to be released so these “leakers” can vanish

    • DuskyHearts

      You say “leakers” as if the previous stuff he has revealed and hinted towards is not true, even though it has been confirmed.

      • Leo

        I’m talking about all of them. I don’t care if this one shares things that are true, after a bit all this teasing gets annoying

  • Ithsme

    Legitimate question: why do people hate this leaker? It promotes speculation and gives us hints about the games, yet people always complain when these articles come up and love it when we get direct leakers who tell you straightforward? I for one love this style, it’s much more fun than being told things.

    • Trav11111

      As I was trying to convey, there’s no proof he really knows anything. He gives general hints then when something is remotely close he gets credit.

      • belmad

        What? This is an obvious delusion.

      • LinksDaydream

        I mean if someone even vaguely predicts something enough times wouldn’t that mean there is more to it? From what I have seen its not like he’s been wrong about much

      • Ithsme

        So Litleo and Zubat were just “coincidences”? As was a Pikachu covered in a sheet? Such a broad hint, I know, it obviously couldn’t’ve meant anything. A skull and crossbones before team skull? Yeah you’re right, Pokemon has lots and lots of skulls in every game, that was obvious.

      • UnburdenedLegume

        ”Gives general hints”
        So let me get this straight:
        Before Skull was announced, Riddler dropped an image of a cloth with skeleton print

        Before Pyukumuku, Riddler dropped image of organs and fists

        Before Pallosand, Riddler dropped image of sand with shovel

        Before Mimikyu, Riddler dropped image of Pichu’s in a forest with a Pikachu dressed in a sheet

        Before Tapu Koko, Riddler posted ”Koko”

        Before Passimian, Riddler dropped image of a football player and a monkey

        Before Oranguru, Riddler dropped image of a guru holding a wind fan

        Before Solgaleo and Lunala, Riddler dropped image of Litleo and Zubat.

        All general hints you say? Okay then

    • EarthenWarrior

      Not everyone is so lenient, WE WANT GOD DAMN INFORMATION AND WE WANT IT NOW
      WHAT DONT YOU FRAGGING UNDERSTAND ABOUT THAT

      • UnburdenedLegume

        Monday=Corocoro so chill out bruv

        • CallistoFox

          But is Monday and 2am here XD

      • Takumi

        shh

    • Pokemania88

      I think its just frustration with the fact that it’s not the straight up information.

      I happen to like the speculation, but I guess some people just want it to be handed it to them….But, nothing wrong with that.

    • TheReece25

      Because it’s Boring. Not to you, but to many. The best we can do with this information is well Nothing. Maybe create a fakemon which will end up looking Nothing like the actual Pokemon. There’s no payoff. It’s pointless. They have all this information and they don’t even know how to use it properly, they may claim it’s to keep things interesting, but it’s really just to hold peoples attention They like to keep people talking about them self. Not Pokemon

    • Chaos

      Pretty sure because it got old for most people.

      I never really cared mcuh for his information anyway, since it never really bothered just knowing what a Pokemon exists
      I need it’s Typing, abilities, stats, moves to be interested.

      • TheReece25

        They won’t even say how many new Pokemon there are. . . -,-
        They just want to be praised when something they say proves right. #No1Curr! -,-

      • Ithsme

        It’s much more fun this way IMO. I’d rather have to speculate and guess than have the info handed to us on a silver platter.

        • TheReece25

          Speculate and guess what though? What exactly could you guess correctly from this?

        • Chaos

          You can speculate and guess all you want, but the reality will only be that which is handed to you on a silver platter. Besides I don’t really find this gives much scope for speculation in all honesty.

          Like I said, im only interested in the facts being presented to me. I like knowing typing, abilities, moves, stats. This is why I’m looking forward to the info dump.

  • UnburdenedLegume

    Totally not Pokemon-related but if you’re on a diet, DONT watch videos of people making chocolate and Nutella cakes LOL. I am torturing myself

  • MelloMori

    Not pokemon Related, but this really got a laugh out of me. I really want to get on that thing.

  • Logan Wayman

    I’m not really sure about the Kyuubi in this. I mean, we already have Ninetales.

    As for the siren, aren’t we already getting that with Entermaid, or Sirene, or whatever you wanna call Popplio’s final evolution?

    I’m actually starting to lean on the gorgon, though I don’t know about the male human and male Pokemon attracting pheromones. That really doesn’t have to do with gorgons iirc.

  • TheReece25

    Why do I not care? Maybe because I do not plan on using it, but also because It’s boring making us guess so much. Like.. what are we even supposed to guess? It might look like an Egyptian or whatever. . I don’t care. I want to actually See It! Stats, and Attacks .. This excites me. Not each pokemons back story. If they straight up said what the starters hide Then I would care..

    • TexasDarkTrainer

      Even just slightly more of a clue. We don’t know everything about their evolutions/typings/abilities. Just saying “you don’t know everything,” well of course we don’t, they haven’t been fully revealed yet. Good job. How in the world did you know that we don’t have all the info yet?!

  • So on the 14th it seems we will get

    -Salandit’s evolution (I’m calling it, it will be some kind of succubus)
    – New Z-Move information
    – Cutiefly’s evolution?
    -1-2 new pokemon?

    • UnburdenedLegume

      Sounds legit

    • Chaos

      Only Salandit evolutions interests me right now. Here’s hoping some new interesting Pokemon are revealed.

    • LinksDaydream

      I hope Morelull and minior get evolutions

  • Takumi

    Plot twist: The Riddler is actually being paid to make these “leaks” to garner hype.

    • Akiran Drake (Nightshade)

      Actually, I think he works at Nintendo. This might be part of his job normally.

    • Cosimo

      I was thinking that same exact thing. Or it’s the Pokémon company themselves…

    • Was just about to post the same thing! TPCi, Gamefreak, and Nintendo must all have cottoned on years ago that new Pokémon information is always going to get leaked in one way or another. They have already been out-competing much of CoroCoro as of recent, and they might have decided that so many fans get their news from unofficial sources that perhaps the best PR tactic would be to pose, undercover, as one of those unofficial sources and hype up the games for the more dedicated fans whilst still hyping up those new to Pokémon with frequent official trailers.

      They’ve recently implemented the idea of having demo versions. I feel they were testing the water for that with PMD: GTI and those limited X and Y demo events before deciding to use it for ORAS and then, crucially, for SM, where there will undoubtedly be a plethora of entirely new and unfamiliar mechanics and information.

      They really do seem to be changing their marketing campaigns and advertising methods as of late, and so I don’t think it would necessarily be too *ahem* Farfetch’d for them to do something like this.

      • Then again, was it the Chinese Riddler who posted the final starter evolutions leak, because they started taking all those images down? That could be a really intricate method of throwing off fans, but I feel it would be unlikely that they would first post, then remove a leak like that. Especially as big as that…

        …Unless, they were researching mimetic theory and information interchange so they could work out how to prevent the spread of leaks in the future… And the conspiracy continues! XD

  • Takumi

    Can’t wait for the data mine info dump

    • Natsu

      The Second Coming in Pokemon form.

    • Ithsme

      Pros:
      – Finally find out if we get the battle frontier what the battle frontier will be like
      Cons:
      – Avoiding spoilers and pokejungle for a WHOLE MONTH

      • TCRowlet

        KALOS D:

        • Chaos

          I feel like this is becoming less and less of a possibility. But it would be a nice surprise should it remain un-spoiled.

          • TCRowlet

            It’s either not happening or it’s the best kept secret xD I’m still holding out hope tho, there’s just so many hints, it’s a major tease.

        • Ithsme

          But, wouldn’t you like a battle frontier? 😀

  • Something else I hope they add in the game is outfits. Like, you can save an outfit then choose to wear that entire set of clothing similar to the mannequins in Animal Crossing

  • ThatGuyWithThePokemon

    You know what I miss? That transition episode in the anime from the previous generation to the new generation where Ash’s newer pokemon meet all of the pokemon he left at Oak’s. I loved seeing them play off of each other. Best Wishes deprived me of that and now I get the feeling so will XYZ.

    • TheSunnyMonster6893

      At BW made it seem there was a moment like that, even if it didn’t show it. There’s that picture of Ash and his Pokemon after all. I too hope that we actually get to see his new Pokemon meet his old though. That was the one thing that made the DP Pokemon league so interesting as he was using a bunch of different Pokemon together that have never been on the same team before lol

      • ThatGuyWithThePokemon

        You’re right, DP was the best series for me so far because he mixed and matched pokemon. In BW, it irritated me cause it was like a tease, and made Ash seem like a jerk to me.

        Me watching it: “What? Why are you calling you Unova pokemon? You just saw them! Say hi to your old ones!”

        I love the picture but it wasn’t enough for me T.T

  • Ithsme

    Just a quick reminder: the final CoroCoro will be focusing on “the true power of Type: Null”, so don’t go expecting much else. I, for one, and Hype: Null about this announcment (but that makes it sound like I’m not hyped…).

    • Chaos

      Type: Null is simply a Rotom-esque Pokemon.

      Calling it now

      • UnburdenedLegume

        Its obviously way more than that.

        • Chaos

          Obviously

      • Trusk

        Where did you get that from? Just curious.

    • Hype != Null

      • Joshua Justin

        I see what you did there… Very clever, for those of us who code…

    • Sunny

      Is it the final Coro Coro issue? I know that the next issue will officially come out Nov. 15th which is only 3 days before the release of Sun and Moon. Is it not likely for them to cover a little bit more in he next issue?

      • Starter evos in the CoroCoro before release.

        • Daedardus

          Don’t they do those in the issue after release?

          • Eh, precedent is odd.

            If they do hold a secret like they claim to, I think there’s more chance of them being revealed before release. Impossible to say anything for sure with Sun & Moon anyway.

      • Ithsme

        I’ve heard that this is it yeah. Hopefully they go out with a bang.

  • AuroraLights493

    What if Salandit is going to be like Combee, and only the females can evolve?
    And perhaps the female Salandit become a gorgon?

    • Chaos

      I think the male one becomes Cleopatra and the female one becomes a Gorgon

      • Shady

        male one becomes Cleopatra???

        • UnburdenedLegume

          He means a Cleopatra inspired evolution

          • Shady

            Dude..Cleopatra one of greatest female in human mankind history.

          • Chaos

            That’s obviously what the riddler is showing us.

            Salandit evolves into Cleopatra if male.

            It’s so obvious.

          • Shady

            I still didn’t check the original…..I will it see now.

          • Shady

            I still didn’t got it how is that obvious?

          • UnburdenedLegume

            He was being sarcastic

          • Shady

            Dam!!

    • The Last Kurusu

      I feel it should be more like Sandile a 3 stage Evo.

    • Takumi

      We’ve already had a nine tailed fox and Popplio is gonna become a siren.
      Narrows it down to either Gorgon or Cleopatra.

  • I get so excited over all of the customization options. Dying clothes and hair, a bunch of new hair styles, the possibility of previous protagonist clothes, Im just so excited!

    • Chaos

      So that’s why the game files are so big. because of the sheer amount of customisation options.

      Mind=blown

      • Plus make up and removing hats and more clothes

        • Chaos

          Make up is only good if they let you physically put it on.

          Like you have use the touchscreen to swipe over the lips for lipstick e.t.c

          • oh that would be neat!

          • Monkeyfuzz

            Would be great for players who are Clowns.

          • I want spooky skeleton face paint too

      • UnburdenedLegume

        Plus the major graphical overhaul and 3D models for everything. As much as I want to, I don’t think a visit to previous region is happening.

        • Chaos

          This is what I’m putting it down to.

  • Shady

    Anybody have this Riddler link?

    • Chaos

      If only they allowed unnatural hair colours. I would go for Blue Hair with Red highlights.

      Just need to look fabulous

      • Who know? We might!

      • Claus H. Luíz

        Well, if you check out the Japanese trailer you’ll see that there’s violet/burgundy, a light orange, and white hair colors as an option now. Hopefully they’ll be more.

    • Akiran Drake (Nightshade)

      That pun, I love it. Color me highly impressed.

    • Stevosan

      I feel stupid, but what’s the pun exactly? D:

      • Dying, as in dying hair

        • Stevosan

          Oh, somehow that one didn’t even register with my brain at all. 😛

    • towelgirl21

      Oh, at first when you said pun, I thought you meant “Ash brown”. And I thought, “that doesn’t make sense, Ash’s hair isn’t brown”.

      • Superqami

        Exactly! Saame lol

    • I think this is the first time Ash is mentioned in the main games. Are they trying to convert him in a legend before the possible franchise reboot after Sun and Moon?

  • Pokemania88

    So do you guys think there will be a Champion in Alola?

    Are we even thinking there will be an Elite Four?

    • Ithsme

      “Our champion is really something else!”
      – Backpacker Guy, 2013

      • Pokemania88

        Yes, but the thing that puzzles me is how there can be a champion if there might not be an elite four… I really am curious and curiosity is making me just want to play the game already. JUST GIVE ME THE GAME LOL

        • Ithsme

          I’m hoping there are a few more notable characters that are secret (not that there are a shortage of them, but I noticed a character whose name ends in “via” in the latest trailer). I was kinda thinking Lusamine would be the final boss. What if the league is a post game feature? :O

      • Takumi

        Maybe Sun/Moon takes place before X/Y.

      • Ok but do we know he is actually from Alola?

        • Ithsme

          We should assume so. What about a tiki souvenir doesn’t scream tropical? I highly doubt that we’d get two tropical regions in a row.

  • Shady
    • I dont know what’s real anymore

      • Shady

        I want Litten become fire/dark ……if GF want to give Litten fire/poison form they should tell me first.

  • The Last Kurusu

    Here’s my opinion for Pokémon Evolutions this time

    100% will have to Evolve at least once:
    Saladit
    Cutiefly
    Bounsweet
    Wimpod
    Komala
    Morelull
    Minior
    Jangmo-o

    Maybe will get one (pre-Evos.):
    Drampa
    Turtornator
    Comfey
    Oricorio
    Pyukumuku

    Won’t get one at all no chance:
    Mimikyu
    Oranguru
    Passimian
    Bruxish
    Crabrawler
    Wishiwashi

    • The Last Kurusu

      Switch Mimikyu to maybe actually cause it might who knows wants to be like Pikachu maybe will evolve like it to

      • Takumi

        I think Mimikyu will evolve through friendship.

        Otherwise unless it has really good stats I probably won’t use it.

    • ThatGuyWithThePokemon

      Solid theory, I personally think Bounsweet and Minior are a bit iffy though. Minior’s ability seems too gimmicky to me to get an evo and Bounsweet… I don’t know why, it just seems like one of those weaker pokemon who don’t get an evolution for some reason.

      • Ithsme

        It has “mini” in its name, that’s why I think it’ll get an evo. And bounsweet seems super incomplete.

        • ThatGuyWithThePokemon

          *Smacks forehead* “Minior”, how did I miss that?

          • Akiran Drake (Nightshade)

            If your not paying attention it can be easily missed. Trust me, I was with you in that boat.

          • towelgirl21

            It’s gotta evolve into “Seniorior” or “Majorior” or “Maxior” or something.
            Besides, Flabebe’s line kept its color gimmick.

          • Rockypockypuff

            Something like Majoir, or just Major, as in Ursa major sounds best. It will be tied to a constellation, such as Minior is tied to Ursa minor as well as being a pun on mini.

    • Ithsme

      I’m almost sure that Pyukumuku will get an evo, and I’m also sure that Oricorio is complete.

      • The Last Kurusu

        What about the rest?

    • thegreatcarbinkle

      I think that Jangmo-o is our pseudolegendary. Comfey feels like the Klefki of this gen so I do not see an evo. I cannot see a prevo for turtornator tbh, but I can see oranguro and passimian having an pre-evolution. imo passimian looks like the second stage evo for a three stage evolution. Bruxish wont evolve, it is the luvdisc/alomomola of this gen but there is a shot it has a prevo ala lumineon. and drampa evo is probably drachild lol

      • SixthSun

        I could see Comfey being the Flabebe of this gen as well.

      • The Last Kurusu

        Turtornator was super iffy almost was put down but I thought it’s either like Druddigon or Altaria has a pre-Evo or it’s a standalone

    • Nintendalek42

      It seems more likely that Oricorio won’t evolve, and personally I don’t think Mimilyu will either, it looks like a one-off to me. I’m not sure Comfey will get one, but it does seem to be this generation’s Flabebe.
      I do think Oranguru and Passimian will have prevos though, there is loads of design scope to be explored there with a baby orang-utan or some cute lemur holding a berry (it’d be nice to get a more true-to life cute lemur than just the 2m weird buff one we have). I also think Crabrawler might have an evo or prevo.

      • SixthSun

        Pokemon with alternate forms have evolved before. Like Burmy, Shellos, and Deerling. Oricorio has a chance to evolve, I feel.

        • Nintendalek42

          That’s fair, I think Minior will evolve for example. I dunno, I just feel Oricorio feels complete enough as it is, and Dancer makes it viable enough as is. You could say the same for Minior’s ability, but if it’s rather base stage-ish design and name don’t hint to an evolution called Mightior, I’ll be heavily surprised.

      • The Last Kurusu

        Oricorio was already iffy but I thought hey they done unexpected things before and Mimikyu too and I feel Crabrawler may get one I agree but and Passimian and Oranguru seem like Sawk and Throh to me

      • towelgirl21

        Maybe Oricorio will have a pre-evo and depending on what island you evolve it on, that’s what form it will get.

  • Aly el Din Mohamed

    goddamit another girly pokemon !? This one better have gender diference

  • zess

    I personally hope that the new pokemon have a lot of gender differences and that they do the same to older pokemon as well.

    • Ithsme

      Prepare for the riots.

        • The Last Kurusu

          Or Torchics spot on males

          • I’m just saying that gender differences are very minuscule and hardly noticeable. While it would be cool if they came back, you won’t get huge design changes

          • The Last Kurusu

            IKR I feel we should get more than just erratically changed like Pyroar and Jellicent and more like Butterfree and Venosaur type ones

          • towelgirl21

            Yeah, male Torchic has a butthole and female Torchic doesn’t. What’s up with that?

    • Chaos

      They should change the colour palette completely for gender differences

  • I think Black and White are the only games where I actually want to use the legendary. I love how they hype you up to be a hero chosen by the legendary pokemon. I’ve replaced Mandibuzz with Reshiram to play through the post game in Black version

    • UnburdenedLegume

      Zekrom <3

  • Ithsme

    I’m kinda scared that the Battle Royale dome might be the facility that the backpacker was talking about. :/

  • So I’m lazy and I’m just trying to Action Replay my pokemon up to level 80-90 just to fight Cynthia and the E4 and maybe the game designers in black version and I accidentally gave myself 1,000,000 xp .-.

  • LoquaciousUxie

    Over time I’ve stopped caring about what the riddler has to say, I mean, their hints are too obtuse to actually guess what they mean, we can only look back and see what they have gotten right.

    • Ithsme

      It’s fun though IMO. A straightforward leak is basically an announcement without the fun images. If it’s true that is.

      • The Last Kurusu

        It is but it frustrates me when all he leaks are the lists that only has what we 100% know and add odd pictures to things (not the Toucan but like the statues and the one picture of a random girl), also not adding obvious things like Komala or Bounsweet getting Evos. (We all know it will happen)

        • xXramsterXx

          The thing is he probably hasn’t seen their evolutions. He doesn’t claim to know the whole pokedex, Just that he’s in a position to see some of them before they’re anounced. Why put question marks after pokemon that he isn’t 100% will have one or two evolutions when it would just make him look like a fool if they don’t.

          • The Last Kurusu

            True but let’s be real we all know Minior and Bounsweet have to

          • xXramsterXx

            I’m not saying that they don’t, I believe they do, but I feel that the leaker understands it’s irresponsible for him to leak things he can’t be 100% certain of. So let’s say they have 2 evos instead of one, if he puts one question mark and it turns out they have 2 it will make the things he does know for certain seem less plausible because he guessed something he didn’t know.

          • The Last Kurusu

            True you are right there

          • xXramsterXx

            Sorry to write so much xD I just don’t see alot of people defending the leaker.

          • The Last Kurusu

            I like his style

    • TheReece25

      Exactly Loq

    • Superqami

      The fact that the riddler changed his profile picture to Grimsley is bothering me. Why use both characters from Gen 5?

  • Monkeyfuzz

    Just hatched an accidental Shiny Pichu. Think I’ll be saving evolving it fully until I’ve transferred him to Gen 7.

    • Ithsme

      You do realize it’ll be Kanto Raichu, right?

      • Monkeyfuzz

        How come?

        • The Last Kurusu

          It’s from an older generation so I guess Isthme thinks if it’s from say Gen.5 or 6 it will be permanently set in what Gen. line it’s from

          • Monkeyfuzz

            I really hope not, I also have a Shiny Exeggcute I wanted to try and evolve in Alola.

          • The Last Kurusu

            Shiny Alolan Exeggutor!!!!

          • Monkeyfuzz

            I will endeavour to obtain one regardless, gotta love that weirdo 🙂

        • LinksDaydream

          The only way to get an Alolan variant would be to catch one in Alola, all pokemon that have one and are transferred up will be a kanto variant from what they have told us

          • Monkeyfuzz

            But that would stop original Raichu being obtainable outside of transfer, that would kind of suck.

          • LinksDaydream

            Thats kind of the point they were going for

          • Monkeyfuzz

            So people who only have gen 7 games will only be able to get Alolan Raichu unless they are able to trade with someone with transferred ones? I find that odd, almost like a retcon.

          • Takumi

            I think Alola Forms will return through future Safari Zones.

          • LinksDaydream

            Well… I mean they have said it multiple times that the only way to get them is by transferring, its not like they haven’t done it before, you cant get all pokemon in the gen 6 games without transferring. Im sorry to say this but I am 95% sure that you will not be able to just evolve old ones to get the Alolan forms

          • Monkeyfuzz

            Oh well, I will still try, worst that can happen is I have original Shiny Raichu and Exeggutor. Personally I thought this pertained to Vulpix, Sandshrew etc, not those that start original and then evolve into the new forms.

          • Akiran Drake (Nightshade)

            It give them a reason to play through the eshop Pokemon Blue version, I plan on getting yellow. I just wished I could evolve my Pikachu in that and still have it follow me.

          • Monkeyfuzz

            I guess, but that counts out Egg Moves, Hidden Abilities, Nature control and Shiny-ness, even if IV’s can now be Maxed in the (likely limited bottle-cap) Hyper Training.

          • Akiran Drake (Nightshade)

            True, though I don’t think bottle caps will be limited. Likely just extremely hard to get. Golden Bottle caps however will likely be limited. I look forward to be able to amp up my Mawile, she’s my strongest Pokemon. I hope I can get her Mega Stone pretty early on. At least on my second and true play through.

          • Monkeyfuzz

            I hope they are just for BP, at least that’s better than events or limited amount per game.

          • EarthenWarrior

            Disagree I wish they are super expensive
            That way people won’t be able to Supe up their legends for about….2 weeks maybe a month until everyone just starts hacking……

          • Monkeyfuzz

            When I say just for BP, I mean for a lot of BP. I just think it’s better than the other 2 options I said they may be obtained by.

          • Leo

            I don’t think they’ve confirmed anything, but logically only pokemon native to Alola would get the Alolan forms. Why would a pichu born in kanto or whatever turn into an alolan raichu just by being in Alola? I believe it has to do with genetics at this point. And I don’t see why not being able to get the original forms in Alola is that bad, it’s another gen, another region and they could not even have added these pkm in the game. We can get gen 1 pkm from RBY

          • Monkeyfuzz

            Because it could’ve had another evolution method? Obtaining in RBY is all well and good unless you care about Egg Moves, Nature, Ability, Type of ball they are in beyond those of gen 1, Gender etc, y’know stuff that didn’t exist or you couldn’t control in those games. None of that affects me as such as I can breed most of what I want in gen 6, not everyone will be able to. I agree it probably is genetic coding.

        • Ithsme

          It has to have been Alola born (presumably).

          • Monkeyfuzz

            Well we don’t know that yet so I’ll still hold out on evolving him. I would find it odd we couldn’t get original Raichu outside of transfer

    • It’s a good idea to just hold out and try it at least.

      If it works, great, you now have two shiny Alolan shinies! If it doesn’t, well you still have a shiny non-alolan Raichu and Exeggutor even if they’re stuck in Sun and Moon.

      • Monkeyfuzz

        Yeah, I’ll be happy with them either way, I was just looking forward to finding out exactly what their Alolan Shiny forms were myself. Still no doubt they’ll be discovered by others soon enough.

  • Ithsme

    I just noticed something: in the new trailer Hau says “. . . think you’re going to beat me and my team when were serious about winning!” Presumably he says “don’t” before that, it’s the only thing that makes sense. It’s unlikely but it’d be a fun twist to have him be a pushover all game and then during his final battle be a serious threat.

  • Review Reviewer

    I wish they could make an Ancient-Egyptian based Pokemon like a Pyramid Pokemon which is Ground-Psychic, or a Phaorh pokemon.

    • Monkeyfuzz

      Closest we have to the 1st is Claydol, and the 2nd Cofagrigus.

      • Review Reviewer

        Ugh, Gen 5 Pokemon are ugly, Cofagrigus sucks.

        • Monkeyfuzz

          I happen to like a lot of Gen 5 Pokémon. Cofagrigus may not be the best but I still like it.

        • EarthenWarrior

          That thing is stupidly bulky only being beaten by freaking Evoilite Dusclops
          One day I want to see that horrid item gone, period,

        • Jason Reaves

          You dare dare look down upon his GLORIOUS GOLDEN figure!?

    • EarthenWarrior

      Though not Egyptian themed I was working on an Arabian Pokemon
      Spellsufi and Magenie
      Spellsufi
      Psychic
      Magic Bounce/Overcoat
      It is a petite humanoid Pokemon with blackish blue skin and large eyes, it has a jeweled turban like structure on its head that extends a long cloth from the back and wrapping around its arms, waist and thighs like a veil and those pointed genie shoes for feet
      “They use a veil created from psychic energy to protect them from harsh desert heat, when the sun sets they gain mysterious powers from the moonlight”

      Magenie
      Psychic
      Magic Bounce/Overcoat
      A large Arabian genie like Pokemon with a multicolored flowing robe with gold, magenta and blue textile patterns, its head has a large turban with a bigger gem in the forehead and three pairs of eyes each with a different pupil color (Green orange and purple) a long wispy tail (no legs) and at the very tip of the tail is a golden orb that says to hold vast amounts of energy
      “Magenie are thought to hold untold amounts of power but it is only capable through the pure desires of its trainer, if it senses that its trainer is greedy it will curse them and abandon them forever”

      • Review Reviewer

        Perhaps, but isn’t Hoopa arab origins?

        • EarthenWarrior

          It is but I wanted to make a traditional non-legends Genie

    • The Last Kurusu

      Cofagrigus

    • Joker901

      I simply love this pokemon. Cannot understand people complaining about it being too feminine. Why do they even care is a mystery for me. Plus if it turns out water/fairy will be a monster, like :” i’m gonna kill you but I’ll keep smiling and being fabulous”.

      • Ithsme

        It’s the skirt. :/

      • EarthenWarrior

        I continue to prey to Dark Wizards that this…thing does not end up a freaking Fairy that would make 7 god damn fairies and I already fear how much of a headache the others will do to the competitive scene
        A priority healer
        A free sub
        Another spore-er
        The bee fly thing looks weak as frack but I know they’re gonna give it something op
        And lastly a Merwhore which’ll probably pester me with scald and high defense or something along the lines

        • Keep praying to your phony gods.. Goddess Popplio3 is not merciful to those who resist the grace of the fairy typing

      • Exeledus

        I do to. its super beautiful, my kinda pokemon!

      • Nintendalek42

        Personally it’s not the fact it’s feminine per se that bothers me, it’s the fact I find it and it’s evolution a complete squandering of Popplio’s potential. Turning into a sort of clown-idol popstar mishmash and then into a siren is not what I had in mind at all. Not that it would need to follow what I had in mind to be good, but we could have had some sort of circus clown and/or even better some reference to real life fur seal species, and what we have just doesn’t qualify as good enough for me, especially compared to those.
        Honestly I just find Brionne itself looks dumb and unnapealing design wise compared to Dartrix and Torracat, and it’s doofy look doesn’t have the charm of Marshstomp’s or Quilladin’s for example.

        The Siren not as bad as Tony the Tumour, but I still think Rowlet’s is the only decent starter line we’re getting this gen (tbf I adore it though).

        Of course this is all just my opinion, but I think it’s worth underlining one can find Brionne and it’s evo highly dissapointing without caring about the feminine aspect.

    • Ithsme

      Reminder that you have two days left to battle PercyEspeon and MelloMori, otherwise I’ll be choosing randomly. :/

      • Wait what

        • Is this for the tourney? Are we starting the final rounds? I had no idea .-.

          • Ithsme

            Yeah, I said this two days ago . . . Anyway it should be plenty of time for only two battles, but please make this a priority; I’d HATE to make it random, I’d feel super bad for whoever didn’t get picked.

          • Uh, shoot I have an 8 hour car ride tomorrow .-. If either of you are here, let’s battle real quick!

          • Ithsme

            I mean you have Monday I guess? I should probably extend it tbh, but not by much, because these are important battles and I guess I didn’t make it clear enough.

          • I’m goona be gone on Vacation until Saturday so I can only battle in the evenings. Dang. I mean if it has to be random then thats fine

          • Ithsme

            Hmm. 🙁 I’d hate to extend it that far, but these are also important battles, so this is sort of a tough decision.
            I’ll sleep on it.

          • MelloMori

            If it helps, I”m still here, but I’m feeling really sick after a flu shot so I’m going to bed. But I’m also for just making it random at this point. Worst case scenario you can still challenge the league, and you could always keep that person’s name on hand as our first pick if someone wants to retire their position for one reason or another.

          • Ithsme

            Yeah, I’m keeping the third place for a “ninth gym leader” of sorts. I’d still hate for it to come to that tough.
            Also I hope you feel better.

          • Ithsme

            Also try the forums!

    • TigerMasku

      Too bad this art looks better than real Brionne

    • TigerMasku
  • EarthenWarrior

    Bored we probably won’t see any Corocoro until maybe the 12th….. There’s a extremely slim chance it could come tomorrow or Monday but I dunno

  • Jason Reaves

    So what if Salandit turns into one of those 6-legged basalisk kinda deals that can turn ppl to stone with a glare like gorgons do? I mean, I guess we already got Giritina for that look though, but I don’t think it’d be too bad seeing another take on it. Like, Jangmo-o seems to be gunning for Dialga’s typing, so reusing stuff from legendaries onto more common pokemon wouldn’t be too far fetched.

    • Monkeyfuzz

      My main issue with that would be that it completely leaves the bandit theme, unless it somehow uses all those legs to help it steal.
      I agree about using things again that first appeared with Legendaries, they did that with Drought and Drizzle for example.

      • EarthenWarrior

        I still wish Mega Camerupt got drought and like a solid 50-50 defense boost but nope it’s frail and slower then ever and completely useless without trick room or sunlight

        • Chaos

          Mega Camerupt is pretty good if you know how to use.
          You obviously don’t

        • Monkeyfuzz

          I guess it getting Drought would have been cool. It couldn’t be too much better than Sharpedos’ Mega because of the whole counterpart thing. The only reason Sharpedo is particularly better is that it can have Speed Boost before going Mega. Camerupt doesn’t have anything particularly useful beforehand. I really think Camerupt got a bit of a poor deal all round. The reason it’s slow is because they made it bulky, but it’s defences don’t really reflect that. Real camels can be pretty fast, I get that it has to lug around volcano humps, perhaps if it were a bit leaner it would be faster.

          • EarthenWarrior

            All the Ground Megas got the poor deal
            Garchomp should be slashing but that mesely drop in speed ruined it
            Steelix is just a Aggron clone but with all its weaknesses still present
            Camerupt absolutely horrid
            and Swampert….only when it rains it reigns supreme but ehhh it’s not super dangerous

      • Soggy Auggy

        It steals hearts ?

  • mario9785ify

    Hmm I’m assuming it’s gonna have a big gender difference or evolve into a completely different pokemon depending on the gender, but still this guy/girl is going on my team.

  • TigerMasku

    New status condition when the gorgon turn a Pokémon to stone?

    • EarthenWarrior

      Paralysis?

  • Rockcrawdaunt

    Tigermasku’s comment had me thinking- if you could create a new status condition (or even a minor one like attract or confusion) what would it be!?

    • Exeledus

      drenched: cuts speed in half (lasts as longs as sleep, with the same chance of being cured between turns like sleep, “Purugly’s no longer Drenched!” or “Bewear dried off!”) makes you resist water type and fire type attacks for the duration, but weak to electric. lasts longer in rain, doesn’t last as long during strong sunlight. this is now what the move “Soak” does, and moves involving a lot of water have a chance to cause this condition, like surf and hydro pump. pokemon with water absorb and dry skin are immune to this effect.

      • TigerMasku

        Weak to electricity? Like how Alain’s Tyranitar was weak to Pikachu’s thunderbolt

        • Exeledus

          I… I didn’t type that. I actually looked to see if I had a typo, but I did it right.

        • Exeledus

          nevermind I saw your edit. I think it would be neat to overwrite type relationships as long as the condition is on.

        • Nintendalek42

          Yeah wow it would be a neat way of justifying the orignal sin of Pikachu trashing Brock’s Onixi

        • EarthenWarrior

          Well to be fair Rock does not resist Electric moves

      • Rockcrawdaunt

        Don’t know if you’d call this a status condition but I’d love something that scares a pokemon back into its ball forcing it to only come out when it’s the scary pokemon’s fainted or gets switched out or if the scared pokemon is the last one on a team. Seems a bit op so it could be limited to a legendary.

    • Nintendalek42

      Rust, a poison status that applies to Steel types. I know salandit covers this somewhat, but it would be interesting and realistic in-universe to have rust as an attack, and a poison type move with more wide pokémon usage, but less effective range as a tradeoff (it’s not like it’ll hurt non-steel types). There could even be abilities for non-rusting metal pokémon!

  • Colton Brown

    Well all 4 of them captivated men. So /shrug

    • I’m going to say it a billion times. It’s going to be based on a succubus

  • Gamer Dragon07

    Whatever Salandit evolves into,it still holds its place on my pokemon team.I’m a huge sucker for lizards and other reptiles

  • quest

    meganium was femine, why did’nt they have problem with to masculine/menly looking female pokemon???

    • Jackattack72

      As a gay guy who loves his princesses and girly things too, I hate the meganium line and the popplio evos equally. For starters I’ve always liked more ambiguous designs because they are made for everyone. Others like gardevoir and Liligant can be passed up for others if you don’t like them but a starter is your first of a type and can set the stage for the game. I love popplio so I’m just not evolving him.

  • quest

    Meganium wa a very female looking line why didnt they had in the past objections with too menly/musculine looking female versions of some other pokemon???

  • zess

    Maybe it will be based on like a succubus. Wouldn’t it be nice to have a pokemon that could change gender based on the opponents gender? It might be a one trick pony but I think it would be nice.

  • Sly Squirrel

    Well a Nine Tailed Fix tricks people by using the female form. Female Salandit lures people and Pokemon by pheromones. Sirens lure in people as well. Cleopatra presented herself like Isis, the godess. She was known to represent marriage and love and seduction. The Gorgons is the one I cant find much correlation with.

    • zess

      The Gorgons were once beautiful women who were cursed by Athena.

  • The Last Kurusu

    Oh right about llima or whoever may I have the picture cause if my friend and I get in another argument about trials one more time I might have to unleash my Goodra on him!

    • Monkeyfuzz

      You mean a picture of the name? ’cause they haven’t been revealed in person yet.

      • The Last Kurusu

        Yes that small text bubble shown it would be helpful

        • Monkeyfuzz
          • The Last Kurusu

            Thank you cause it said “what trial shall I give you” mostly proving it’s a captain proving more than 4 trial captains exist

  • AlolanSandschrew

    Does this mean corocoro will reveal the evo of salandit maybe? I think they will pull out the stops for her evo (i;m guessing female only evo)

  • EarthenWarrior

    I still think you guys read WAY too hard into pokedex flavor text
    All its saying is that Salandit produce toxic gasses with its tail but Females also contain pheromones which any female/male species can produce, it’s just working into the theme that this tiny lizard isn’t very strong and uses its cunning to turn the tide of battle
    But like always you’re all jumping to conclusions and believing anything anyone says just because he’s been floating around saying junk, gullible lot

    • Nickerton

      Ian stop using cliche’d terms like “turn the tide of…”
      To be a good writer you should try to be more original smh 🙂

      • EarthenWarrior

        stop focusing on that one stupid idiom you eeediot
        and focus on the more important issue, namely everyone’s collective gullibility

        • Nickerton

          No i like focusing on you >.>

          • EarthenWarrior

            creep

          • Chaos

            That is kind of creepy to be honest

    • UnburdenedLegume

      You just don’t want another feminine Pokemon. I see right through it!

      • EarthenWarrior

        i am pro-feminine Salandit solely because i easily see Jessie catching one
        but i don’t trust or believe the riddler

    • Monkeyfuzz

      Maybe it’s evolution is a handbag and all these women have one? The female ones evolve into handbags with perfume in 😛

      • EarthenWarrior

        or just a bigger lizard with a grotesque boil on its back filled with poisonous gasses that when threatened it erupts with flammable poisons and sets the whole place on fire
        like them Japanese burglar sacks

        • Monkeyfuzz

          I’d like that, it keeps with the bandit theme nicely. This is my issue with the ‘riddle’, it is difficult to interpret it in a way that coincides with that theme. Beyond luring and trapping of course.

          • EarthenWarrior

            then stop thinking about the riddle
            this guy does nothing but guess

          • Monkeyfuzz

            Well it’s what the article is about is all :/

    • Chaos

      Everybody always feels like they’re being clever looking for clues where there are none…leave them to it.

    • towelgirl21

      Man, if you believed everything the Pokedex flavor text says, Cubones would be extinct in a few generations, Espurrs would be accidentally grinding trucks into dust all the time, no one could train a Slugma or Magcargo since they couldn’t touch them, etc. If 5 Pokemon sneezed at the same time, it’d destroy a continent.

      • EarthenWarrior

        also Kingdra can create whirlpools simply by yawning

      • Exeledus

        not only could they not train a slugma/magcargo, their very existence would destroy our planet. seriously, gamefreak did not do their research on how hot those 2 can get.

  • UnburdenedLegume
    • Nickerton

      How do you have the demo to download already??

      • Monkeyfuzz

        It’s faked I think.

        • Nickerton

          I guess we’ll see Friday? Unless the icon for the demo is already viewable on the eshop

          • TheSunnyMonster6893

            What happens Friday?

          • EarthenWarrior

            the next scheduled Info release
            though it could be a trailer summarizing what previewed what corocoro leaked which could drop any time this week

          • TheSunnyMonster6893

            Yeah, but what does that have to do with the demo? It’s not like the trailer coming out on Friday will have any effect on whether the demo gets hacked or not. We’ll still need to wait until the demo comes out to actually see it.

          • EarthenWarrior

            the demo is next tues
            there is absolutely nothing about the demo in any of these info drops

          • Nickerton

            Isnt the demo released on friday?

          • Pharap

            No, the demo’s due on the 18th.

          • Nickerton

            Oh wow I got the day mixed up. Friday is the day we’re getting new info right? Or is that the 18th as well .-.

          • Pharap

            I don’t think there is anything happening Friday, but I could be wrong, I’ve been out of the loop for a day or two.

          • TheSunnyMonster6893

            Nope it comes out on the 18th. The next trailer comes out on Friday tho

          • Pharap
        • Javel34

          It’s not fake. Someone hacked into the store and found it. It’s heavily encrypted though and maybe just an empty placeholder. They are trying to crack it but they’d have to be insanely lucky.

          • Ithsme

            In theory couldn’t the same be done with the game itself closer to release? Not like it’ll matter then anyway, but that’d be interesting.

    • TheSunnyMonster6893

      Oh please. Lol sure you can start the download, but without the proper key you won’t be able to finish the download let alone play lol

      • UnburdenedLegume

        Tears in my eyes pal. Currently leveling my Dartrix on route 2. Just killed a Cutiefly and caught Vikavolt. Also wrecked Hala and Tapu Koko with Ash-Greninja.

        • EarthenWarrior

          Somebody waste this fool

        • That’s some weird demo. You can kill Pokémon? Is this a new Sun & Moon feature?

          Also why is your 3DS in French when you’re from another European country that doesn’t speak French?

          /s nice try, son.

    • Reece

      Yeah that image has been floating around the internet for a while so…

    • The Last Kurusu

      Wow you actually hacked is Pikipek Evo there?

      • UnburdenedLegume

        Yes its called Drillme

        • PitogoXD

          It’s time to stop.

        • The Last Kurusu

          Gotta picture by any chance?

          • UnburdenedLegume

            Lol are you not getting the joke?

          • thegreatcarbinkle

            im hollering

  • Paulsey

    who’s up for a 6vs6 double battle ?

  • InfinityD4

    I’m surprised he didn’t use a picture of poison ivy.

  • Richard Haslam

    Just descovered something…

    Doesn’t it occur to any of you that Litten’s final evolution has it’s mane-like appendages similar to the leader of Team Flare’s hairdo in X and Y?

    Yeah kinda like Cynthia has those aura ornaments similar to Lucario’s but colored as Umbreon’s ears.

    Makes you think doesn’t it?

  • UnburdenedLegume
    • Ithsme

      yeah

  • Shady

    Don’t even think about sharing this is completely fake. http://i.4cdn.org/vp/1476025116602.jpg

    • Ithsme

      It’s cool except for the legs.

      • Shady

        The legs and the colors though.

    • Star Guardian Lux

      this seriously looks like it could be the male version of popplios final evo. Looks legit good but we’ll see

      • Pharap

        Sadly it’s way too badly put together to be genuine. Which is a shame because I like the design.

        The obvious flaw isn’t the colouring or the way it’s drawn, it’s in the jpeg artifacts.
        It’s obvious (well to me at least, I’m a programmer so I have to know about images and compression and stuff) that the confidential, numbers and data have been taken from the leeks already provided and put next to some art in an editor, then saved as a jpeg.

        Jpegs naturally cause image degredation because of their compression algorithm (they were designed for photos, not drawn images) and in this case the quality degredation of the character doesn’t match that of the parts taken from the leeked images. If this was legit, the image degredation would be uniform across the image.

  • UnburdenedLegume

    Shingo Fujii is confirmed to be one of the animators to work on the Sun and Moon anime. For me personally, this settles it. Will definitely be watching it now. Ridiculously talented animator. For those who dont know him, watch Precure and Sakugabooru.

    • Exeledus

      you can have good animation, but is the writing good? the writing can make or break a movie no matter how good its animation is. look at wonderful animators like Pixar or Studio Ghibli, all wonderfully animated movies, but some of them are just plain awful. The pokemon anime has a history of being awful not because of its animation, but because the plot is pretty much non-existent, and there’s so much filler.

  • Ithsme

    So I found something on Reddit about the demo situation, and people are saying that it’d be extremely hard to datamine; is this true or just speculation?

    • UnburdenedLegume

      Sure GF have learned from what happened with ORAS.

      • Ithsme

        I mean not just in general, it has something to do with not being able to play the demo despite having downloaded it.

        • MelloMori

          Vastly oversimplifying it, but basically you need a key in order to play the demo that will be placed in the code once its released. At this point hackers have to run a program to constantly insert different random keys until it unlocks, which will take some time. By their own addition it might take longer for them to find the key then simply waiting for the demo to release.

          At that point though, we don’t know how easy it’ll be to data mine it. We’ll just have to wait and see.

          • Pharap

            “some time” – potentially until Gen 12 is released.

            18446744073709551616 * 18446744073709551616 possible keys (the calculator goes into scientific notation trying to calculate that, which basically means it’s really big. Imagine the number 3 with about 38 zeroes after it)

            That’s assuming they’re just brute forcing it though, and not using more sophisticated techniques, like precomputed lookup tables (though that would take a very large database, so it would still be slow, but much quicker than brute forcing). That said, if there was a squad of them and they divided up the key ranges, they could increase their odds significantly.

    • Chaos

      Remember when they said the 3DS was impossible to hack

      Lol. Good times

      • Pharap

        In fairness it took a few years, which is better than some consoles.

        • Chaos

          I don’t deny it had good security, but from my experience it’s never impossible…

          • Ithsme

            It’s definitely not impossible, but highly unlikely given the amount of time they have to do it.

          • Chaos

            Possibly. Guess we will have to wait and see.

          • Pharap

            It never ever will be as far as consoles are concerned.

            As soon as the hardware is known, people will start working on interfaces and HW sniffing devices.
            If any of the software is open source, people will start scanning for security holes (there’s a saying “where there’s a webkit, there’s a way”).
            Sometimes individual games provide holes.

            All security (even those protecting people’s bank balances) aren’t designed to stop hackers, only to slow them down.
            The only reason modern encryption works is because it slows hackers down to the point where it’s faster to wait for technology to improve than it is to brute force it. There are other techniques (e.g. rainbow tables) but even those have their limitations.

    • Ithsme

      More info: it has a 128-bit lock on it; which doesn’t mean much to me other than they’d have to get a divine amount of luck to crack that.

      • Pharap

        Assuming by that they mean it’s using a 128-bit key for encryption then that means there are 18446744073709551616 * 18446744073709551616 possible keys.

        So attempting to manually crack it would be virtually impossible assuming they didn’t just get lucky.

        • Ithsme

          Yeah, my thoughts exactly other than I didn’t really know the numbers. My question is this: is this key only for playing the demo early or will they have the same issue with dataming?

          • Pharap

            I’m presuming at the moment it’s just until the game is released, keeping the whole demo encrypted would slow the game down somewhat (encryption algorithms are designed to be relatively slow on purpose) and the data (including game code) would have to be decrypted before being loaded into ram, after which it would be nakedly observable in RAM, so it would still be possible to modify the RAM contents in an attempt to trick the game into reading data that should be hidden (i.e. non-visible pokedex entries) or unlocking more (i.e. making the game think the player has completed the pokedex).

            So ultimately the only true way to stop them hacking is to load the pokedex with false data (e.g. 80-odd copies of missingno’s entry) or wipe it as much as possible. That way if they hack in, they just get useless stuff and not genuine data.

            (It’s becoming one of my catchphrases by this point: programmers gotta know this stuff :P)

          • Ithsme

            Hmm, that’s dissapointing. I was hoping I wouldn’t have to avoid spoilers for so long.

          • Pharap

            It’s still too soon to say.
            I’m hoping there will be some people who start attempting it just to see if it’s possible, but the challenge is knowing where they’ll report their findings if they do decide to report them.

            Basically if it is hackable, hope the white hats get to it first.

          • Ithsme

            White hats?

          • Pharap

            White hat hacking – hacking for ethical reasons, i.e. to test how vulnerable something is with the intention of warning people if it’s not secure, e.g. finding out there’s a way to hack the demo and telling people there’s a flaw but not what it is or any of the data (or maybe just a small snippit to prove they’re telling the truth)
            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_hat_(computer_security)

            Black hat hacking – hacking for unethical reasons, e.g. hacking the data and then anonymously posting it everywhere
            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_hat

    • Pharap

      I’m inclined to believe them, but I think it’s still mostly speculation.

      I don’t have much faith in the guys in charge, but I have faith that the programmers will have protested after last time (in fact I’m pretty sure they would have complained before the original demo and got ignored) that the demo needs better protection against reverse engineering.

      • Ithsme

        This is GF we’re talking about here. I mean things could’ve changed but still. xD

        • Pharap

          When it comes to game dev, there’s the programmers and the the managers. The programmers usually know their stuff but they have to convince the managers something is a good idea, and more importantly, that it’s cost effective. Managers tend to know sod all about programming, so they tend to err on the side of what achives visible results. Protecting against hackers isn’t really a visible result, so they usually ignore it until it’s too late.

          Hence why many companies end up getting hacked – managers don’t think encryption is worth the time and effort it takes to put in place.

          • Ithsme

            Hmm, learn something new every day.

          • Pharap

            I’m probably slightly bias, but I’ve heard many horror stories on Stack Overflow and other programming websites.

            The “Pointy Haired Boss” trope and Dilbert comics do exist for a reason though. I would assume Japanese managers are a bit more understanding and level headed, but that might be wishful thinking.

  • Pharap

    The exact number of possible keys for an 128-bit key encryption algorithm is 340282366920938463463374607431768211456.

    Assuming a hacker could try 1 key every millisecond, it would take them 340282366920938463463374607431768211.456 seconds, which is about 10790283070000000000000000000 years, to brute force the demo open 9 days early.

    (Again, assuming they don’t try something more sophisticated like a dictionary attack.)

    • Ithsme

      I had no idea it was this hard to crack. Wow. . .

      • Pharap

        That’s just brute forcing though, there are other techniques that could speed it up, but even those have their limitations.

        Also if they’ve implemented the algorithm incorrectly it could be game over. But hopefully they’ve done it properly.

    • EarthenWarrior

      i stopped reading after “The”

      • Pharap

        Just remember, this is the sort of stuff that’s supposed to be underpinning our banks and businesses, if people don’t apply the pressure to make sure businesses are using this stuff, we’ll have a lot more incidents like when yahoo and showdown got hacked.

    • Chaos

      Pretty sute any hacker worth a damn doesn’t just brute force. But still interesting to know.

      But this is just the key to activate the demo right, nothing to do with being able to data mine once the demo is downloaded? Or am I mistaken?

      Either way, I would like some data mined info before the game releases but wouldn’t be the end of the world of it doesn’t happen. I’m adaptable.

      • Ithsme

        Should just be for activating early.

      • Pharap

        No, but it’s the base case. Anything more sophisticated would require explaining the technique and why it works, which really would send people to sleep.

        As far as I know it’s just protecting the demo until the 18th. I’m just hearing stuff about what they’re doing via word of mouth. (You might want to read some of my other comments, I’ve gone into a few of the possible things they might be doing and some things they can’t.)

        It depends on what they’ve done, we still don’t know anything about what the game will look like after it’s been ‘unlocked’, again, I’ve mentioned a few possibilities below in reply to Ithsme.

        • Chaos

          Man it would be so good to know this stuff, but I never had an interest in it when I was younger.
          I know it’s never too late to learn, but I’m seriosuly lazy. I tried to learn some programming over the summer, but I never had the time to get into it properly.

          • Pharap

            4-5 years ago I didn’t know the difference between a megabyte or a gigabyte and couldn’t identify any computer components. Now I have experience with about 10-15 languages and I’m pretty good with 3-5 of them 😛

            It is indeed never too late to learn.

            Personally I recommend C# as a first language, but different people prefer different types of languages. If you’re more mathematically inclined you might get on better with Haskell for instance, or if you’re confident with knowing how hardware works, jump straight to C++. A lot of the younger programmers prefer scripting languages like Python because they prefer stuff being easy to throw together rather than thinking about robustness or longevity.

          • Ithsme

            Starting with C++, I’m having a hard time learning C#.

          • Pharap

            Modern C++11 with smart pointers and the standard library instead of raw pointers and dynamically allocated memory I hope.

            Weird though, usually people prefer C# because it’s nice and safe and you don’t have to do your own memory management (at all).

      • EarthenWarrior

        Somebody say brute force?
        My forte’

    • Nickerton

      Brute force is the least complicated (but most time consuming) way, so try again buck-o

      • Pharap

        I don’t really want to have to try to explain the more sophisticated methods to people, it will only raise more questions like “how does the dictionary work” or “what’s a hash” or how they get the dictionary in the first place or why it’s considered more sophisticated and why it’s more likely to work etc.

        • Nickerton

          Nah dw that was just my subtle way of saying I do programming too 😀
          In fact I just started encryption coding so this was coincidental to see

          • Pharap

            Which languages do you prefer using/have experience with?

            I’ve never attempted to implement an encryption algorithm myself. Partly because they’re usually available in library form (e.g. in C# they’re built into the main library) but partly because I usually get about 15% of the way through the explanation of the process and fall asleep because of the amount of maths involved. Too many primes and too much modular arithmetic.

          • Nickerton

            C++ is what I’m doing but last semester we used java in a project (but I didnt bother to take part in the coding part for my group) and this semester I have a project where I have to use python so I gotta learn that by myself.

          • Pharap

            C++ is good, but very deep and hard to use right. Most tutorials are pretty old so they teach stuff using raw pointers instead of the nice modern smart pointers.

            Java is usuable (I made a little game for college with semi-realistic physics with it) but very limited becase of type erasure, the way it forces people to declare what exceptions are throwable, and the required ‘one file per class’ nonsense.

            I’ve never really liked python much. I’ve never really written anything major in it, but I dabbled a bit with Iron Python and read an O’Reilly book about it and it never really took my fancy. I prefer Lua as a scripting language.

          • Nickerton

            Well if C++ is raw then I think that’s the point. I’m doin computer eng so it’s make sense for me to learn the oldest way in case systems in the workplace are old.

          • Pharap

            Fair enough, I’d hope nothing would be older than Win XP though. Really you only need particularly low level stuff for assembly-level optimisation or for writing device drivers or interacting with hardware (e.g. via OpenGL).

            I worry that there might still be some systems running on COBOL out there 😛

          • Nickerton

            Okay idk what youre babbling about. All I know is C++ lol.

          • Pharap

            COBOL’s kind of like the SQL of yester-year. It was made in 1959 and it better off forgotten 😛

        • Spetsnaz

          hash is a very bad drug to stay away from 😉 nah, messing with you.i mean, it is bad, but i know what you’re talking about 🙂

          • Pharap

            Hash is also bad if it’s MD5.
            But that’s that’s not the kind of hash you’d use for a lookup table 😛

    • Monkeyfuzz

      This is what the little paper clip guy from Word does now.

      • Pharap

        Hack computers or inform people about hacking?

  • Pharap

    I think my ramblings about cryptography killed the conversation…
    ; n ;

    • Ithsme

      Nah, I just went to eat lunch. xD

    • Ultron

      The insight is interesting though. I have no knowledge of decryption or hacking

    • Chaos

      Yeh pretty much the same for me.

      The most exciting spawn I get is 2 pidgeys together

    • The Last Kurusu

      My best spawns sometimes near my house are Gastly and Jigglypuff and 100% of the time near a company called Merck I pass on my way to and from school a Jynx appears everyday

    • Green

      You mean the Pokestops right? I can relate. There’s no Pokestops within my one mile radius. The closest one is 1.6 miles away from my house. I did find out that a different park that I go to is an Onix nest tho

  • Shady

    I had dream about new trailer last night it start with ” introducing Scarface pokemon” …but somenoe wake me up Urrrrrrrrrrrgh.

    • EarthenWarrior

      least its better then night terrors

    • InfinityD4

      Scarface is also a batman villain.

  • Pharap
  • Ultron

    Does anyone have a guts shinx? I have some 5IV Gible and I’m pretty sure I also have a few 5IV charmander and *maybe* a Lapras

    • Monkeyfuzz

      I can catch you a Luxray in Friend Safari if you like? Let me know what Ball you want it in and Nature. I’d like a Thunder or Shiny Stone in exchange if that’s OK?

      • Ultron

        If you would that would be great :3

        • Govnah EastTorracat

          i have a guts

          • Ultron

            That’s okay, Monkeyfuzz is helping me out. Unless they would rather pass the burden onto you xD

          • Govnah EastTorracat

            eh i had it ready for whenever, its just sitting in the daycare mating with my ditto

        • Monkeyfuzz

          Would an Adamant in a Quick Ball be OK?

          • Ultron

            Yeah, I’m not picky on the ball.

          • Monkeyfuzz

            OK, I need to finish hatching this batch of eggs and then I’ll go Synchro catch it.

          • Monkeyfuzz

            By the way it’s Luxio, not Luxray, I forgot.

          • Ultron

            No prob

          • Monkeyfuzz

            I caught one but it’s Lonely :/

          • Ultron

            It’s not a big deal! I forget which nature I’m going for anyway

          • Monkeyfuzz

            Jolly or Adamant I think are best. I bred Shinx recently, how about I trade you one of those with it, it has 4 Egg moves on it and I marked it’s IV’s.

            FC: 0748 – 2744 – 4660 IGN: James

          • Ultron

            Okay, whatever is easier for you.
            My FC: 0173-1523-2707 Kris

            Do you want Gible or Charmander? I can only offer boy charmanders and boy gibles, unless your 5IV gible has sand veil instead of rough skin

          • Monkeyfuzz

            Not really, do you have any evolution stones?

          • Ultron

            I should, let me see. Do you have a pref which stone?

          • Monkeyfuzz

            Thunder or Shiny, maybe Dusk if you don’t have those.

          • Ultron

            I have a bunch of thunder. Is Gible alright to attach it to or do you want something else?

          • Monkeyfuzz

            Whatever you don’t need. I’ll be trading you both the Guts Luxio and Bred Shinx.

          • Ultron

            Okie dokie. Do you want two thunderstones or a thunder and a shiny?

          • Monkeyfuzz

            Either will be fine. I am online in game now, so whenever you’re ready.

          • Ultron

            Moon ball? Very interesting

          • Monkeyfuzz

            Yeah, caught in Heart Gold with Sinnoh Sound.

          • Ultron

            Nice! Thanks!!

          • Monkeyfuzz

            Sure, enjoy, I hope they help you get what you want 🙂

          • Ultron

            Unless the female 5IV Gible you want** is a better way to phrase it lol

          • EarthenWarrior

            Quick Ball is soooooooo fugly
            the only Pokemon that compliments the scheme is Manetric

          • Monkeyfuzz

            Luxray has pretty similar colours, just darker.

          • Govnah EastTorracat

            Luxury ball is best ball for Luxray imo

          • Monkeyfuzz

            Why so?

          • Ultron

            Probably because of the Lux root word lol

          • Monkeyfuzz

            Oh yeah 😉

          • Govnah EastTorracat

            idk it just fits it

          • Monkeyfuzz

            Sometimes that’s just the way it is I guess 🙂

          • EarthenWarrior

            T_T
            *Handgun fire*

          • Monkeyfuzz

            What would you go for, Ultra?

          • Green

            And Manectric is also ugly

    • EarthenWarrior

      my seed Gible?
      thanks for reminding me that you owe me something from SM

      but speaking of SM i really want to test my Bulk Up Mudsdale Build
      Impish, Stamina 252HP/4Atk/252 Def
      [Sitrus Berry]
      High Horsepower/Earthquake
      Stone Edge/Stealth Rock
      Bulk Up
      Toxic…..

      solely a Physical brunter, (perfect for a Fake Out cushion)
      Leads with Bulk Up, takes the Physical Attack, Defense doubled and attack up, Sitrus Berry to get it back to optimal levels and powerful Earthquakes and or Stone Edge while absorbing attacks, best paired with Storm Drain and a Sap Sipper

      • Monkeyfuzz

        Here’s hoping it has the stats to back that strategy up. I wouldn’t mind using it myself. Gastrodon could work well with it, it can recover from it’s Earthquake and has Storm Drain.

        • EarthenWarrior

          then run it with High Horsepower

          • Monkeyfuzz

            Do we know the details on that move, like accuracy, power etc?

          • EarthenWarrior

            I’m gestimating
            90-120-130 Damage but with an 85% Acc

          • Monkeyfuzz

            Could be a recoil move, though I hope not.

      • Ultron

        Haha not exactly your Gible, but one of its descendants for sure. Although it lost the egg moves along the way. Couldn’t quite be helped.

      • Ultron

        Sounds like a solid moveset for Mudsdale though..bulk up would be good on it although hopefully its sp. def isn’t abysmal.

        • EarthenWarrior

          it most likely will be
          We Ground Types aren’t too well built in the whole Special defense
          Hell the highest one is 120 with Claydol and that (and all psychics nowadays) fear the ever common Knock off

          So be prepared that Mudsdale won’t be trotting if hit by a Scald, Energy Ball or Ice Beam

    • Govnah EastTorracat

      guts luxio in a luxury ball

      • Govnah EastTorracat

        its female too

        • Ultron

          Hm..maybe I’ll take that one as well. I need to get rid of a bunch of these gibles anyway

          • Govnah EastTorracat

            ill break my chain rn for vulpix give me a moment

          • Ultron

            No you don’t have to do that for me haha

          • Govnah EastTorracat

            just did, it broke 7 times i dont really mind now XD

          • Ultron

            Well I appreciate it lol

          • Govnah EastTorracat

            plus i like gible i can use it for MM method

          • Ultron

            I also have Charmander if you want

          • Govnah EastTorracat

            hm ill take the charmander
            2638-2631-7151 if u dont have me

          • Ultron

            What’s your gamer name

          • Govnah EastTorracat

            Matt

          • Ultron

            Okay, I don’t think we’re friends.
            I’m: 0173-1523-2707

            Also, my charmanders are all boys but it’s 5IV modest, is that okay?

          • Govnah EastTorracat

            yea its fine. i got you ur tag says bow to ultron

          • Ultron

            Hehe yes

          • Govnah EastTorracat

            im ready whenever u log on lol

          • Govnah EastTorracat

            thank u i might MM for a charmander now

          • Ultron

            Thank you too! I was kinda hoping I’d get a shiny charmander as I was searching for a 5-6 IV one but no luck. I did get a shiny 5IV gible though. I might try later for a shiny charmy. I have a good name for it

          • Govnah EastTorracat

            I want vulpix so bad but like i have no luck chaining it lol

          • Ultron

            Shiny Ninetails is pretty cool…

          • Govnah EastTorracat

            yea and I have no luck at all

          • Ultron

            Well may the odds be ever in your favor.

          • Govnah EastTorracat

            thank u so much

          • PercyEspeon

            Chaining as in DexNav? If so, most people say the chains don’t necessarily matter, as the chance is applied just by using it. People just chain cause it makes it easier to find it when you search again.
            Hopefully you’ll find your pretty shiny Vulpix (I got mine when I was trying to Horde for Meditite…like it took so long to find my red meditite, I kept getting Shuppets, and I got one other shiny vulpix before meditite showed up)

          • Govnah EastTorracat

            thats true its easier to like hunt just one mon.

          • PercyEspeon

            Yeah, I chain myself for that reason, however, I’m not peeved if I break my chain like I did before I knew the chains didn’t matter.

          • Govnah EastTorracat

            i only get mad if i know i messed up on my own

          • Monkeyfuzz

            I accidentally got a Shiny Chimecho, Vulpix (Male) and Meditite on top of Mt.Pyre all in the space of an hour, that was a cool day 🙂

          • PercyEspeon

            Nice <3 I wish I had all the time to shiny hunt xD but school's important. I do shiny hunt on my time off though :3

          • Monkeyfuzz

            I was only looking for a good Flash Fire Hypnosis Vulpix to help SR Groudon with, that actually took longer than finding those 3 XD

          • PercyEspeon

            Wow, that’s crazy xD reminds me of my first Dexnav shiny which was Buneary. I was trying to breed for my first comp mon, a Mega Lopunny, and I needed to find a breeding pair of Bunearys so I could get started. After I got one of them with an egg move I wanted, I looked for a male with good IVs to breed it with, and on the beginning of the chain, I found a pink one and screamed. I had no idea at the time that Dexnav had increased odds at all, so I was pretty excited.

          • Monkeyfuzz

            I accidentally MM’d a Shiny Buneary, yay for Pink Fluff Bunnies 😀

          • PercyEspeon

            same, but with Swinub xD

          • Govnah EastTorracat

            lucky ducky eh

          • Monkeyfuzz

            Haha, yeah. Good Luck finding your Shiny Vulpix 🙂

  • Raphael

    when do the corocoro scans usually leak?

    • EarthenWarrior

      they could leak anywhere between the 10th-14th

      • Monkeyfuzz

        I have a feeling it will be Tuesday, not sure why.

        • MelloMori

          the 11th has been pretty consistent for leaks, so that might be why.

          • Monkeyfuzz

            Oh yeah, maybe :3

    • Ithsme

      Likely anytime starting tomorrow.

  • I kinda wish that poke balls had quick time events to increase chance of capture. I guess the games are easy enough as is so idk

    • Green

      If they were gonna introduce that, they should’ve done it in Sinnoh

      • Ithsme

        Why sinnoh specifically? Because touch screen?

        • Green

          Because it had a nice level of difficulty which could be sprinkled with extra hidden things for more fun

          • Ithsme

            Hmm, better late than never I guess.

    • Ithsme

      That’d be cool yet infuriating.

      • They could make Up+B or any of those button combos work but the comonation changes on save file

    • EarthenWarrior

      i just want some new Pokeball looks
      they ruined my favorite ball

    • Monkeyfuzz

      I originally thought Timer Ball did this, before I read what it actually does.

    • Pharap

      2lazy4that

  • Ultron

    I feel like it would be helpful if you could set search parameters the in PC for nature, egg group, and number of IV’s..is that too much to ask?

    • Spetsnaz

      maybe IV’s would be a little unrealistic, but nature and egg group i would think would be really easy to add

    • EarthenWarrior

      you can already search for abilities and natures

      • Ultron

        Can you?

        • EarthenWarrior

          duh, just hit that there lil magnifying glass

          • Ultron

            I need to check that out

    • Nickerton

      Or maybe having the PC organize your pokemon based on a parameter you want like in my case, I always organize by type.
      But this Pokepelago thing changes even the classic pokemon storage function so I’m curious to see how those mini games in pokepelago are gonna work when youre storing 3000+ pokemon lol

      • EarthenWarrior

        what about pokemon cramming, like set natures, ability, types

        • Nickerton

          What do you mean by pokemon cramming?

          • EarthenWarrior

            (Totally stealing this from the equipment manager from wow)
            EX: like you set Pokebox #1 to only hold pokemon with the Adamant Nature, and it pools all pokemon of an adamant nature in there

          • Nickerton

            Well that’s what I described. I just gave an example with type instead of natures.

    • Monkeyfuzz

      If you mark IV’s like I did to the Shinx I traded you you can also search by markings. Though for some reason in Pokébank it only lets you search one mark at a time.

      • Ultron

        I need to be more knowledgable about that stuff lol. I didn’t even know you could mark pokemon

        • Monkeyfuzz

          Well they are the shapes next to the blue pentagon, many people use them to mark IV’s. Circle = HP, Triangle = Attack, Square = Defense, Heart = Special Attack, Star = Special Defense and Diamond/Rhombus = Speed. You mark them using the PC. If they are grey then that means the stat isn’t 31 IV.

          • Ultron

            Oh that’s pretty nifty.

      • Pharap

        Pokebank is silly, there’s no reason you couldn’t search for an exact set of markings, it’s a really cheap CPU operation.

        • Monkeyfuzz

          I know, it makes it much more difficult. I end up just searching for another thing I know the ‘mon has.

          • Pharap

            I tend to group all my 5IV pokemon together.

  • Ithsme

    Found this on reddit: http://i.imgur.com/hfVpFCg.png
    It’s certainly an interesting coincidence to say the least.

    • Nickerton

      Bruh…
      IT ALL COMES TOGETHERRRRRRRR

      • Ithsme

        The aqua part makes it suspicious. It’s not just generic “aura”, which would’ve been just as easy to say.

    • Golden_Monferno

      Extreme foreshadowing right there

    • Shauntal is the best give her more plot

      • EarthenWarrior

        Always watch for the plot

  • Green

    Here’s a sketch I drew of a person to practice for the picture. It’s Ithsme. This is just a sketch. The actual thing will be all of us, it’ll be digital and it’ll be in color with more details (refresh) https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/713cb178be8c1128234a15e32d9d8684372f6cee1ff5f77591b56b202406160c.jpg

    • Green

      Also the facial features are not final.

    • Ithsme

      :O I’m so honored to be chosen! :’) Great job, I love the hoodie!

    • Nickerton

      For what picture?

      • Green

        The Pokejungle Family Portrait. I have a survey for you to fill out on the Forums if you’re interested.

        • Nickerton

          0_0
          But how do you know how we look?

          • Green

            Questions that are not too personal. Just eye color, ethnicity, clothing, gender and hair color.

          • Nickerton

            I identify as an attack helicopter

          • no

          • Nickerton

            NO?! TRIGGERED!!!!!!!!!!

          • Green

            Don’t you think that’s a little sexist, Star?

          • I don’t think I should really get into it. I shouldn’t have said anything in the first place

          • Green

            Yeah. Leave Apache Attack Helicopters alone

          • Pharap

            Apache makes helicopters?
            I thought they just did HTTP servers?

          • Green

            No. It’s real name is the Boeing (random numbers and letters) Apache

          • Pharap

            Only kidding, I know about them.
            They’re one of the reasons some of our helicopter factories are having to close.
            ; n ;

          • Green

            Same

          • Pharap

            Noctowl used Foresight.
            Nickerton was identified.

            Noctowl used Tackle.

          • Nickerton

            Noctowl was actually my favourite pokemon back in the day, not counting starters

          • EarthenWarrior

            My brother “Sexually identifies as a fern” his go-to quip

          • Green

            That means he is the only plant that uses spores, yes?

          • Pharap

            “A fern is a member of a group of about 10,560 known extant species[3] of vascular plants that reproduce via spores and have neither seeds nor flowers.”

            ‘Only’ is pushing it.

          • Green

            Fine. ONE of the only

          • Incredibly clever

          • EarthenWarrior

            Clever but very very stupid
            I mean last night he went overboard on the drinking and was relching his everloving guts out

            High Charisma
            Low Constitution

          • Pharap

            An extinct fern?

          • Pharap

            Don’t mention gender, we don’t want another Beldum incident.
            Moving won’t be happy.

          • Green

            Oh yeah…

          • Ithsme

            I think we were far from that, no need for the warning. . . Well, at least not yet.

    • I like the stye!

      Ok constructive criticism: Start out by drawing a skeleton, like, a stick figure for more accurate limbs. I guess that’s hard to explain via text

      But seriously I love it! Really cute!

      • Green

        Yeah. I know what you mean. I usually do the little skeleton stick thin line thing, but I was rushing.

      • EarthenWarrior

        Skeletons you say?
        https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/77501170ff69202afb3a7d2492dcc79ef207183afff1169ff0b828c199b9b3d2.jpg

        I wish I could find my really well drawn “Colossal Undead Warrior: Juggerrot” picture
        A hulking skeletal monster with four arms each holding a unique weapon

        • Pharap

          It’s upside… never mind.

          • EarthenWarrior

            Well soooooorrrryy my dang iPad didn’t take the picture right

        • Shady

          I love these a lot they r my type ……y downward?

          • EarthenWarrior

            Poor iPad photo shoot

    • EarthenWarrior

      That kid gives me the creeps
      Somebody grab me a shovel to beat it with

      • Green

        Well that’s Ithsme

        • EarthenWarrior

          Statistics statistics, this all wasted shovel beatin time

          • Green

            I’m gonna give you a shovel in the picture if that’s ok.

          • EarthenWarrior

            I prefer mallets

          • Green

            I’ll think about it

      • Ithsme

        🙁

      • Pharap

        Be careful, Green might draw you like that as punishment.

        • Green

          *draws dirt clod in place of Earthen*

        • EarthenWarrior

          He dares not to misinterpret the high and mighty Earthen
          *Cracks knuckles* if he knows what’s good for him

    • Pharap

      Togekiss right?

      • Green

        Yeah, and the pants are Togepi. He didn’t ASK for the pants to be Togepi, but I spiced it up 😉

  • Golden_Monferno

    I just thought of an idea for Arceus if it had a Z move. The animation could have Arceus wrecking the other Pokemon with its 1000 arms rapidly, and then all the arms combine in one large one, punching the opponent with an explosion like the Big Bang.

    • Green

      Too much coding

      • Nickerton

        No it’s not. Did you see Eevee’s one?? THAT was long af

        • Green

          No I mean the 1000 arms

          • Nickerton

            Visually speaking you wouldnt actually see 1000 arms, but the idea is still good

          • Green

            Yeah. I can see a Z-move along those lines.

          • Golden_Monferno

            Yeah I mean coding in a 1000 arms would be very unlikely, so just showing a flurry of some arms would be all the developers have to do

          • Monkeyfuzz

            Do one for each type, colour them either gold with a jewel that’s the colour of one of the types in the palm, or just the whole arms matches the colour of that plate types.

          • Pharap
          • Monkeyfuzz

            Yeah that’s what I mean, have them all surrounding it like that with each arm representing a type. Or just a full ring of arms like that all gold.

          • Pharap

            I’d prefer the gold rather than the type-based arms.
            Matches the colour of the ring that’s supposed to symbolise the thousand arms.

          • Monkeyfuzz

            Maybe they each have a small jewel in them like the ones in Arceus’ Arcs to represent each type?

          • Pharap

            It would have to be retconned if they ever introduce new types and Arceus can’t actually be all types at once, it has to pick one.

          • Monkeyfuzz

            But it’s a Z-move so maybe it can. They kind of had to retcon it anyway with the fairy plate, since everything before it talked about one less type.

          • Pharap

            Yeah, but they only had to add a form and animation, they didn’t have to redo or modify any animations.

          • Pharap

            The arms can be copy-pasted or spawned algorithmically rather than individually placed.

      • Pharap

        Actually animations are done in an animator and usually have their own data format.
        The only programming involved is making the system that accepts the animation data and runs it, which only has to be written once.

        And it wouldn’t be any more effort than any other Z move.

    • Nickerton

      Yes and call it Big Bang

      • Green

        That would cause Controversy

        • Nickerton

          But Arceus represents god so if arceus made the big bang then god made the big bang 🙁 religion and science in one

          • Green

            Teamwork

          • Golden_Monferno

            Maybe the name for it could be “Big Bang Fury”

          • We are assuming the universe was created the same way it was in real life though.

          • Pharap

            Technically we don’t actually know for definate how the universe was created, we just have best guess theories. We haven’t even been able to simulate the conditions of the big bang, so we can’t test the plausibility in any way other than theory.

            Science is a strange creature.

          • I love science for that. Well not really, just space stuff and universe cool stuff

        • Takumi

          If people are that against the idea of the Big Bang they’re probably not playing Pokemon in the first place.

          • Ithsme

            I think that’s a bad assumption. Not me personally, but I know a few highly religious people who are completely into that science stuff. And I know one who actually plays Pokemon, so . . .

          • Takumi

            I never said religious people don’t play pokemon.

    • Monkeyfuzz

      I thought all of it’s plates would fly around it, beams of power from them would hit it’s golden arcs and it would fire an Almighty attack that’s all types at once (though only hits max 4x supereffective damage)

      • Golden_Monferno

        That sounds cool, maybe it could be as a Special Attack Z move version Arceus has to the one I thought of

        • Monkeyfuzz

          That would be cool. This is like a more Powerful Version of Judegment or Hyper Beam. Yours sounds like Giga Impact crossed with Close Combat.

    • EarthenWarrior

      My desires for special Z-Moves
      Rhydon: Rhyper Rush
      Mewoth: Happy Happy Lucky Pay Day
      And that’s all I got… Only the really stupidly popular pokes will get this luxury

      • Takumi

        Rhyper Rush…?

        • EarthenWarrior

          I don’t know
          Something about Rhydon’s renowned take down attack
          Maybe a Hyper Horn Drill

          Z-Moves are sounding cartoonish and fairly obvious

          • Takumi

            Fair.
            Pulverizing Pancake isn’t obvious though.

          • Pharap

            Not obvious, but very silly, the complete opposite of the Japanese version’s intention.

          • EarthenWarrior

            All-Out Pummeling
            Never Ending Nightmare
            Pikatastrophe

          • Pharap

            Don’t reminds me, if I ever find the people responsible for naming them, I’m going to hit them so hard their ancestors will feel it.

          • EarthenWarrior

            I wish I could find my old list

          • Takumi

            I feel like the only one who really likes the Z move names.

          • Monkeyfuzz

            What would you name them instead?

          • EarthenWarrior

            Grass Bloom Doom
            Fire Inferno Overdrive
            Water Hydro Vortex
            Electric Gigavolt Havoc
            Normal Balance Breaker
            Rock Stone Storm
            Ground Tectonic Terrorizer
            Ice Frozen Fury
            Fighting Champion’s Finish
            Poison Noxious Nova
            Flying Cyclone Slicer
            Bug Power Swarm
            Dark Coup de gras or Sinister Strike
            Psychic Celestial supernova
            Ghost Spirit Screech
            Dragon Dragon’s Roar
            Steel Iron Impact
            Fairy Mystical Tempest.

          • Monkeyfuzz

            I think some of the names for regular moves could’ve been good for Z-moves but they already used them. I like most of these, I hope the rest of the real ones aren’t too terrible.

          • Pharap

            I’d need to sit around and think about it for a while, but I’d try to A) keep them close to the originals and B) make them sound more like regular moves and less like dance crazes

            Some of them I’m ok with like Gigavolt Havok (original: ‘Super King Gigavolt’), Inferno Overdrive (original: ‘Dynamic Full Flame’) and Hydro Vortex (original: ‘Super Aqua Tornado’)

            But stuff like Bloom Doom and Pulverising Pancake sound too frivolous to be terrifying. (Compare with “Hyper Beam”, “Draco Meteor”, “Meteor Mash”, all very strong, serious sounding moves)

            For Bloom Doom I’d probably do something like “Floral Frenzy” or “Nature’s Wrath”. Admitedly the original name of that was awful too (Bloom Shine Extra).

            Raichu’s move was originally “Lightning Surf Ride” (which is actually a pun if you know what the Japanese word ‘Rai’ means). To be honest in the English name I’m ok with the “Spark Surfer” bit, I just don’t like the “Stoked” bit, it sounds kind of outdated and puts me more in mind of stoking a fire than anything else. I would have preferred something like “Static Spark Surfer” or if they wanted to up the surfer theme a notch “Static Spark Shredder” since ‘shredding’ is surfer slang.

            The one that bugs me more than anything though is Snorlax.
            Snorlax’s original move was completely in Japanese but
            translated to something like “it unleashes a serious attack” so I would
            have gone for something like “Serious Slam” or “Super Serious Slam” at a
            push. “Snorlax unleashed its Serious Slam” and “Snorlax’s Serious Slam”
            sound pretty good. Pulverising Pancake feels like they’re throwing the whole “serious” aspect out of the window, and that was a major part of the attack (the Japanese website advertised the attack with phrases like “Snorlax finally gets serious”, and used the word ‘serious’ at least 3-4 times when discussing/describing the attack).

          • Pharap

            I forgot about Pikachu’s because my brain retconned it from existance…

            I would have gone for something closer to the Japanese name. The Japanese name was (apparently, taking this one from serebii instead of video hunting again) “Knockout Pikachute” so I would have gone for either “Knockout Pikashoot” or “Pikashoot” with some other interesting adjective in front.

            Extreme Evoboost is kind of dull but similar to the original.
            I probably would have just changed it to “Extreme Eeveeboost” because it makes a better pun than “Catastropika”.

            Hadn’t heard of All-Out Pummelling and Never-Ending Nightmare until now, but I’m fine with those, they’re much more serious and worry-enducing.

      • Monkeyfuzz

        I feel like Meowth won’t get one because of Alolan Meowth and will be grumpy about it when Pikachu has one.

        • Pharap

          Alolan Raichu got one, Meowth deserves one.

          • Monkeyfuzz

            Yeah, but it’s Alolan. Meowth will only be available as Alolan Meowth to start with, so I’m not sure it’d get one.

          • Pharap

            Raichu will only be available in the game as Alolan Raichu, same as Meowth.

        • EarthenWarrior

          You kidding
          A spoiled rich cat like Meowth would most likely use an attack that literally assaults the opponent with gold and jewels

          • Monkeyfuzz

            I’d like that, perhaps Alolan Meowth will get one, that’d really annoy Rocket Meowth.

          • EarthenWarrior

            I want there to be a legit Team Skull Squad that always tries to make trouble and they’re always punking on Team Rocket and they use an Alolan Meowth that is clearly better then Meowth

            Also I want Bewear to be ‘in love” with team rocket and follows them around

          • Monkeyfuzz

            Also Bewear tries to hug James all the time. I think an Alolan Meowth Rival would be cool. It may even be one that Meowth is in love with to start with but then develops a rivalry.

  • Monkeyfuzz
    • Deerlia

      Zero Ball 2 will be the most amazing dark ball, no?

      • Monkeyfuzz

        I want it, it looks creepy.

    • Pharap

      I think technically #3 is just the Park Ball before they had art of it (or the anime ignoring the legit stuff again).

      I partly agree with crystal balls.

      Mewtwo’s balls are evil though.

      • Nickerton

        mewtwo’s balls lol im such a child o3o

      • Monkeyfuzz

        #4, you missed Team Rockets special ball. And yeah it is the Park Ball, I prefer this design though, and Park Ball doesn’t really count to me as you can’t keep it.
        I think the crystal would be good at catching Psychic, Ghost and Fairy Types.
        I know the Mewtwo ones are evil, I just really like their creepy design.

        • Pharap

          So I did. Rocket’s pokeballs are interesting too. Would be nice for events.

          You can, that’s the bug contest park ball from Johto. You keep what you catch.
          Ash caught something that way I think.

          I was thinking more aesthetic than purposeful.

          They feel really yugioh-ish to me for some reason.

          • Monkeyfuzz
          • Pharap

            They were called “Park Balls” in Gen II.
            Gen IV retconned them into “Sport Balls”.

            To quote Bulbapedia: “To do this, Trainers are given twenty Sport Balls (similar to Safari Balls; called “Park Balls” in Generation II)”

          • Monkeyfuzz

            Oh yes, so they were, my mistake. I haven’t played the original gen 2 games in a long time.

          • Pharap

            They were the second games I ever played, and I think I actually saw that episode of the anime, hence how I know what they’re supposed to be.

            Checking the wiki, Ash caught a Beedrill, won the competition, and gave the Beedrill to Casey, who only caught a Weedle. Dunno what happened to the Sun Stone he won though.

            A bit more detail though:
            “The Park Balls pictured in this episode are vastly different from the later-introduced Sport Ball
            in-game sprites, likely due to a design change between the time of
            Generation II and Generation IV. This is similar to the alteration in
            design of the Safari Ball, which appears differently between its anime debut and its Generation III reintroduction with an in-game sprite.”
            http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/EP161

  • Review Reviewer

    “kyubi, 9-tailed” Um, there’s a Pokemon that already exists which has this influence. It’s called NINETALES. It had its spotlight for Gen 7 shown. So that one is absolutely incorrect.

    • Takumi

      And Popplio’s final evolution is a Siren.

      • Review Reviewer

        Not confirmed officially though.

    • From the Wikipedia article for Kyubis

      “These foxes are depicted as mischievous, usually tricking other people, with the ability to disguise as an attractive female human”

      SUCCUBUS

      • MelloMori

        Combine that with Medusa(a gorgon) being known for her beauty, Sirens leading sailors to their death with their beauty and singing, and Cleopatra being a still popular symbol of beauty, and there seems to be a certain shared theme. Though personally I’d guess Lamia over succubus. Just seems more likely that a salamander would turn into a snake, then a demon, but who knows. Well that and people might get upset if you put a sex demon pokemon in a game aimed at kids.

        • Takumi

          We already have Drifloon.

          • MelloMori

            And that’s relevant how? Because they have been known to take away children, except not really? This is a series where the literal grim reaper pokemon has a giant smiley face on its back and has been known to lure children away. However Sex is kind of a big taboo among children, regardless of culture. They have been cleaver with things like lopunny, being that its more of a pop reference to bunny girls and not necessarily a symbol of sex, but an outright sex demon pokemon might be where the line is crossed.

          • Takumi

            They could easily just word it in a way that doesn’t imply it’s some sort of sex demon.

          • MelloMori

            That would work in most cases, but the issue is that a Succubus IS a sex demon. There’s no real way around it. The only thing I could imagine is they went with the mentioned Cleopatra angle, and made it more of a Empress pokemon, or something like that. Something that could easily command men to do its bidding and because of its chemical thing that is mentioned, people find it beautiful. However I really can’t see them having something that is overtly sexual.

          • Takumi

            It could be based around a Succubus, but not literally be a sex demon.

            A lot of parents probably don’t know what that is, anyway. They’re not researching every pokemon to see if it’s based around a scary sex demon.

          • I imagine the design to be similar to Gardevoir. Obviously supposed to be a bit sexy but still okay for a kids game

          • MelloMori

            pretty much what I would guess as well. Like if it was going for the Cleopatra angle, my first thought would be they could go about as risky as something like Mumma from Fiona Frightening. Something that certainly has some shapes to it, but for the most part is still very innocent.

            http://orig09.deviantart.net/f2a7/f/2014/348/4/a/wicked_wardrobe__princess_mumma_by_mtc_studios-d89t67e.png

          • EarthenWarrior

            them thighs

          • Pharap
          • EarthenWarrior
          • Pharap

            I read the link and resisted clicking for fear of my history… even though history gets deleted sort of.

          • EarthenWarrior

            dude it’s from the same dang site as the one you posted
            who the frack cares, you where looking up tropes so what

          • Pharap

            I meant the article itself, I’m anticipating all manner of strange things.

          • MelloMori

            Yeah, but she’s a bit of a rich girl from the valley. Something about her dad making it big in the middle east or something.

          • Pharap

            Inb4 Brock is the only one immune to it because logic.

          • Monkeyfuzz

            Drifloon is a sex Demon?

          • I KNEW IT

          • Takumi

            Whoops

    • Pharap

      Doesn’t really look like a Kyubi to me.
      Looks more like a vampire.
      But it’s supposed to be 1 of the 4, not traits of all 4, so I’d be willing to rule out the kyubi and the siren.

  • Takumi

    I hope if we ever actually see Arceus in game we can’t actually capture it. We just fight it and then it flies away.

    I can’t get over the idea of God being captured in a ball.

    • Pharap

      I still refute that Arceus is god.
      I think it’s a powerful creature that was rationalised as a god and has some powers of creation, but in actuality is just another legendary.

      • Takumi

        That’s fair.

        But if it’s really as powerful as it says in the lore it may as well be God.

        • Pharap

          The Egyptians used to believe their Pharaohs were gods.

      • LinksDaydream

        In the anime-verse at the very least it is canon that it is a god, of pokemon at the very least as he created the world, and time and space as well as the alternate dimension where Giratina resides

      • BLACK IYCE

        Arceus is literally referred to as the alpha Pokémon. The same monicer God is said to refer to himself as.
        It created not just earth but the creatures that created time and space and antimatter.
        It can create life
        One of its roles is to pass “judgement” on the life of earth.
        It is the single most powerful being, mega evolution not withstanding, in all of Pokémon.

        At this point refuting that Arceus is God is like refuting that water is wet or the sky is blue…

        • Monkeyfuzz

          The sky isn’t blue…

          • BLACK IYCE

            It is perceived as blue for everyone that can perceive it. So yes, for all intents and purposes it is blue

          • Monkeyfuzz

            Weather, time of day, all can change what colour we perceive.

          • Pharap

            The skies can be grey, it depends on the concentration of water droplets in the clouds and the density of the clouds.
            At night it’s very dark, almost black.

        • Pharap

          Yes, in the pokedex, made by humans.
          Humans have a habit of distorting facts when they don’t have enough scientific evidence, especially older cultures.
          In the real world, ancient cultures believed certain animals were sacred or incarnations of gods or god-like creatures. Hence Japanese legends about foxes and cats that shapeshift and cause havok.
          Also some cultures believe their own people were gods. The Egyptians believes Pharaohs were gods.

          All those ‘facts’ about it are just word of mouth passed down by the few humans who have actually witnessed it. If it was truly an omnipotent god capable of creation on such a scale, Arceus and the Jewel of Life would have been over in 5 seconds because Arceus could have just fixed the situation with a clap of its thousand arms.

          • BLACK IYCE

            Actually no… in each of the in game events in which the player is able to interact with Arceus it is seen performing “Godly” acts.
            In the event for diamond and pearl it can only be reached by ascending to a point higher than the highest point in Sinnoh. A veritable Mount Olympus.

            In HGSS it is seen creating an egg containing a new Dialga/Palkia/Giratina.

            These aren’t just examples of human imagination and creativity. The player actually witnesses these acts first hand

          • Pharap

            It’s high, but it’s not the heavens.
            Godly imagery yes, but it does not mean Arceus is actually a god.
            Many pokemon can perform “Godly” acts. Walking on water, summoning rain, summoning lightning bolts, causing earthquakes etc.

            Many pokemon can spawn eggs. Granted none physically create them from seemingly nothing, but Arceus did have to be in a special place to create the egg. If it was really a god it could make eggs whenever it felt like it.

            Any sufficiently advanced power looks like magic. If a group of humans that had never seen a pokemon saw a Charmander breathe fire and evolve into Charmeleon, they would probably think it was some sort of god.

            No human could possibly have witnessed Arceus creating the world because the humans would not yet have existed when it did so because there would be no world in which the humans could exist. Witnessing it create Sinnoh or other Pokemon maybe, but not the world. Other pokemon are also held responsible for creating regions though. Hoenn was said to be built by Groudon and Kyogre for example. Regigigas is said to have pulled the continents with ropes and created the other regis.

            Arceus is not special, it’s just another legendary.

    • Nickerton

      Same. I always loved the general idea of battling legendaries and not being able to capture them because come on! Why would a child be able to capture the creator of the land/sea/ozone or the personification of time/space or ideals/truths (or whatever tf reshiram and zekrom were), or the pokemon of life/death or the emissary of the sun/moon, etc.

  • I am 100% that Salandit’s evolution will be based on a Succubus

    1. Sirens lured men into the watery depths with their voice and their beauty
    2. Kyubis are said to sometimes take the shape of attractive human women
    3. Gorgans are only female
    4. Cleopatra represented herself as the reincarnation of Isis, the goddess of marriage
    5. Female Salandits emit pheromones that attract males of all species

    There is too much evidence here. It has to be a succubus or something similar and when they reveal it, you know who called it first

    • Takumi

      I don’t see it actually implying sexual relations.
      It could attract pokemon and then devour them, not have sex with them. That’s perfectly fine I think.

      • Well I mean of course there won’t be any sexual relations, it’s pokemon. But still, it will totally be the inspiration

        • Jason Reaves

          The internet will have a field day with this one if your ideas pan out. I mean, I’ve already seen some shit, but damn it’ll get crazy if GF just hands them a concept like that on a silver platter.

          On a lighter note, this’ll go well for the comics I’ll eventually make since, by stage 3, I see my popplio as something of a ‘trouser chasing’ deviant and my salandit as her filthy enabling best friend. This is like comedy gold for me.

    • Nickerton

      Succumander ewe

    • Monkeyfuzz

      Evidence based on this ‘riddle’ is not particularly credible to me. I think your interpretations of what he’s presented could be right though.

      • Why are we doubting this guy again? Sure he’s frustrating it he’s right

        • Takumi

          I think these riddles are more fun than actual leaks. Speculation is fun.

          Plus he’s pretty much proven so we’re not necessarily wasting our time speculating over a false leak.

        • Monkeyfuzz

          I don’t believe things until they are officially revealed, regardless is all. Unless it’s a proper hack leak.

          • … but, he leaked a bunch of stuff already… Like, his authenticity isn’t a question at this point

          • Monkeyfuzz

            I know, I’m just funny about it. He could just as easily know a certain amount and make up the rest, but everyone believes him ’cause he got the rest right. He has no real accountability after all.

    • Edit

    • Wikipedia

      “The fox spirit is an especially prolific shapeshifter, known variously as the húli jīng (fox spirit) in China, the kitsune (fox) in Japan, and the kumiho (nine-tailed fox) in Korea. Although the specifics of the tales vary, these fox spirits can usually shapeshift, often taking the form of beautiful young women who attempt to seduce men, whether for mere mischief or to consume their bodies or spirits”

    • ThatGuyWithThePokemon

      I can see it being a Gorgon. Gorgons in greek myths had something about them that compelled people to look at them even when they knew better. In pokemon, you could easily explain that with pheromones and its poison typing is perfect for Gorgons.

      • EarthenWarrior

        o.k that is two completely different senses
        Smelling a pheromone enriched toxic fume
        and staring into a Gorgon’s Eyes

        the stretching is painful

        • Except its description states it lures people in soooooooo

          • EarthenWarrior

            bah
            I don’t trust this riddler for a second

            i’d soon shove that Question mark cane so far up his arse that he’s coughing up quizzes

          • WHY THO

          • EarthenWarrior

            What has he actually done, just vaguely guess and leeched off collective rumors into a well spun lie

          • ThatGuyWithThePokemon

            I mean, of the people who are actually commenting on this, I’d guess about 50% actually believe in the rumor. It’s just fun to speculate.

          • EarthenWarrior

            not when i’m around
            my job is to filter the nonesense and promote actual logic and reasoning

            Nothing is worse then blind faith

          • ThatGuyWithThePokemon

            I’m all for critical thinking, but what’s wrong with blind faith as long as it promotes a sort of optimism? I’m a logical thinker, agnostic and a pessimist by nature but I believe there’s a place for faith as long as it’s not twisted… As it tends to be. NOTE: I’m not talking about religion, just faith in anything in general.

          • EarthenWarrior

            meh i think extremely cold hearted and logically
            i never say this’ll just become something just because

            And i firmly believe that Salandit may enhance its pheromones as it evolves
            What i don’t believe is that it’ll end up a Gorgon or any of these mythos

          • ThatGuyWithThePokemon

            Oh and I concur, that’s a great belief. I’m agnostic for that very reason, it is impossible for me to believe in anything just because people say I should believe in it. However, I believe in possibilities. Basically, even though I find it hard to believe some guy coming out of the woodworks calling himself a “riddler”, it’s still fun to discuss the “whys” and the “maybes”. My comment was made with the intention to help fill in a gap in StarStorm’s original list to explain why Salandit could possibly evolve into one of the four in order to continue the discussion. I love discussions <333

          • EarthenWarrior

            you annoy me
            Riddler takes something already stated
            Mixes it up with similar properties
            and pulls an accusation out of his butt

          • ThatGuyWithThePokemon

            I can tell =P I’m having a blast though lol. Anyway, I feel as though you were already a bit irritated with this whole Riddler thing long before I came along.

          • EarthenWarrior

            oh i’m irritable alright

          • Pharap

            Glad to see I’m not the only one who doesn’t like the Riddler’s ‘style’.

        • Monkeyfuzz

          The smell could compel you to look where it’s coming from maybe?

          • EarthenWarrior

            T_T

          • Monkeyfuzz

            You could look like that if you want to…

        • ThatGuyWithThePokemon

          You misunderstand. I mean, in the myths, people would go in with their eyes covered, but something about the creature would compel them to open their eyes and look at them. You can explain what compels them with pheromones in the pokemon world

    • Pharap

      “They have said that it will relate to one of four characters”

      1 of 4, not all 4. 3 are intended as distractions, only 1 is true.

      Just saying.

  • ThatGuyWithThePokemon

    I don’t think it’s going to be a kyuubi but people need to stop making the argument that Ninetales is already a kyuubi, it’s a pretty weak argument.

    The Dugtrio and Excadrill line are both moles.
    Squirtle, Tirtouga, Turtonator, Torkoal, Turtwig lines are all turtles.
    Ho-Oh, Moltres and Talonflame are based on phoenixes.

    There’s numerous ghosts, dragons, horses, bats, seals, foxes, cacti, dogs, crabs, cats, etc. But there can’t be another kyuubi? Should I go on? (Feel free to add ones I missed or didn’t feel like saying in the replies lol)

    • Pharap

      “Moltres may be based on legends of firebirds such as the phoenix, the Slavic firebird, or the Bennu. It may also be based on the Japanese mythical bird known as 朱雀 Suzaku, guardian of the South, which is not a true phoenix.”

      • EarthenWarrior

        And Talonflame is a Hawk

      • ThatGuyWithThePokemon

        I can fix that =D
        *Ho-Oh, Moltres and Talonflame are based on various sorts of firebirds.
        Better?

        • EarthenWarrior

          that doesn’t help ya now
          You stretching boi

          • ThatGuyWithThePokemon

            Point is they all fit a theme. Hawk or not, Talonflame is literally a fire bird. Phoenix or not, Moltres is literally a fire bird.

          • EarthenWarrior

            yak yak yak
            Salandit is a lizard, and yes Gorgon’s incorporate snakes which are also Reptiles just seem extremely far off

          • ThatGuyWithThePokemon

            I think you commented in the wrong area, this is the comment talking about Kyuubi-Salandit =P

          • EarthenWarrior

            that’s even further!

          • ThatGuyWithThePokemon

            Like I said, I don’t personally believe it’d be a kyuubi, I was just trying to point out the fallacy in the argument that I’ve seen many times, “It can’t be a kyuubi! There’s already Ninetales!” I don’t even believe the riddler, I just like discussions

        • Pharap

          I’m only quoting Bulbapedia.

          • ThatGuyWithThePokemon

            Oh, don’t misunderstand my friend, I wasn’t chastising in any way, I was just asking if you felt that better matched the motif I was attempting to point out =P

      • Monkeyfuzz

        Sogeking would have a Moltres in the Pokémon world.

        • EarthenWarrior

          bull crap how would that wacko find a legendary

          • Monkeyfuzz

            Because he’s the legendary Sogeking (he’d probably just dress up a pidgey).

          • Pharap

            Technically he’s a “God” now after his “defeat” of Sugar.

            He seems to be quite good at scaring the crap out of little girls for some reason.

          • Monkeyfuzz

            It’s the nose, Shiftry have the same ‘skill(?)’.

          • EarthenWarrior

            tengu

    • Nickerton

      I doubt it’ll even evolve into a kyuubi. A salamander to a fox?? nah

      • Ithsme

        This is the riddler, so it’s not a direct hint. Think about different traits of a Kyubi, maybe that’s what it means.

  • Pharap

    Cleo had two children
    Cleopatra Selene (Selene is the greek goddess of the moon) and Alexander Helios (Helios is the greek god of the sun).

    • Assuming it is cleopatra, what would you imagine it might look like? I mean, obviously they won’t just slap a headdress on it and call it a day, but I can’t think of where else to take the design.

      • Pharap

        Eh, I don’t want to go assuming any one of them is correct, but based on what I know of cleopatra’s life, probably fanged, maybe with some kind of headdress, and the fire marking on its back would be more prominent, and maybe ankh shaped.

        • That’s cool, I was just curious as to what people might want to see.

          • Pharap

            That’s not necissarily my ideal scenario, but if I had to limit myself to one of the 4 themes presented that would probably be the best case.

  • Nickerton

    I saw this is a chinese video (rf)
    http://t14.deviantart.net/soakknInvGpHJpbYkSTve6haXWU=/fit-in/700×350/filters:fixed_height(100,100):origin()/pre00/db38/th/pre/i/2016/216/5/a/alolan_diglett_by_ferrari94-dacmwjb.jpg
    http://img15.deviantart.net/1c9d/i/2016/216/a/f/alolan_dugtrio_by_ferrari94-dacn1lh.jpg
    I feel like all the ice pokemon in sun and moon are gonna be alolan forms of past pokemon.

    • ThatGuyWithThePokemon

      I saw that on Dorkly a month or two ago

      • Nickerton

        Okay dork :*

        • ThatGuyWithThePokemon

          Guilty as charged ;D

    • Ithsme

      I’m sure we’ll get at least one dark and ice line, if not that’d be ridiculous.

    • Pharap

      I feel kind of ashamed that I don’t instantly hate it and instead think it would be somewhat acceptable.

      We already have 2 ice alolan lines, so it would be kind of OTT.

      • Ithsme

        Yet we’re almost a month from release, and we have NO ICE AND DARK TYPE POKEMON.

        • Wes

          Spoiler: Marshadow is Ice/Dark. There are no other Ice or Dark types. None. All previous Ice and Dark Pokemon have been scrapped.

          • EarthenWarrior

            sweet less Weavile to worry about

          • Ithsme

            Presumably Litten 3 is dark and the supposed snowman is obviously ice, but I’m honestly going to be annoyed if ice gets the shaft AGAIN, it’s a great type with lots of potential, but it continues to get the short end of the stick. We got Aurorus in gen 6, but other than that the last cool ice type we got was in gen 4 IMO.

          • Ithsme

            That’d certainly make it a unique typing. xD

        • Pharap

          People are counting alola separately though.

          Otherwise you’ll get no new ice types, just a bunch of retconned genwun pokemon 😀

          • Ithsme

            I’m confused. Are you saying that I should count Alola forms or not? I want a Torterra-esque ice/ground mountain Pokemon.

          • Pharap

            I’m 80% convinced they’re only giving Kanto pokemon Alolan form.

            I mean don’t count them. If you count them, we’ve already received 4 ‘new’ ice types, which Nintendo can argue is ‘enough’. Deny them so Nintendo has to give at least 1-2 genuinely new ice types.

          • Ithsme

            I didn’t mean Alolan Torterra, just something similar.

          • Pharap

            Fair enough, could work. Maybe not a turtle though, we’ve got tons of those.

            That said I did kind of imagine a water/grass turtle with palm trees on its back earlier because of majora’s mask.

          • Monkeyfuzz

            Oh no, I really don’t want Alolan Meowth and Rattata to be the only new Dark types, one of my favourite types orz

          • Pharap

            Yup, especially now Lycanroc is revealed to be pure Rock.

          • Monkeyfuzz

            I was SO hoping Midnight Lycanroc would become Dark in some way

          • Pharap

            I would have until the evolution method was revealed. But really if you make one part dark you have to balance the other somehow, like make it part fairy or psychic or something.

          • Monkeyfuzz

            Yeah if one becomes dual typed both would have to. Maybe Midday could have been part Fighting. I actually thought maybe Midnight would lose Rock entirely and be Pure Dark.

          • Pharap

            FIghting would have made sense if they were both on their hind legs. In fact that would have made a much better pokemon to be wresting inspired (or even superhero inspired) since then you could have the rock/fighting good guy and the rock/dark bad guy.

          • Monkeyfuzz

            Well not all Fighting have to be Bipedal, like Terrakion. That would have made sense for a wrestling theme, though I’m glad they aren’t, I don’t want to detract from their Lupine designs too much.

          • Pharap

            Name a fighting type that isn’t bipedal that also isn’t one of the musketeers (or a fighting plate Arceus).

          • Monkeyfuzz

            It could’ve been the first non-legendary Fighting type Quadruped. Think of how cool and different that would make it 🙂

          • Pharap

            The lengendaries had horns to fight with though, Lycanroc would have only had its jaw.

            Eh, I dunno, crazy stuff. Maybe they really do need a light type or something 😛

    • Monkeyfuzz

      It’s a pretty Cool fake Alolan form.

      • EarthenWarrior

        Hmmmm
        Diglett and Dugtrio retreated to cooler mountains when the increase of underground heat from active volcanoes
        their skin is toughened by the bitter cold allowing them to trudge through thick snow and ice, by triggering earthquakes they can cause avalanches to scare foes away

        • Monkeyfuzz

          I had thought they might develop thicker skin due to the heat and become part steel to claw through the lava, and literally dig and build their homes within the ground surrounding the volcano, Fire/Steel.

          • EarthenWarrior

            how would heat make their skin thicker?
            it would soften and heat it up, not bake it crispy

            and how would it get steel out of nowhere……

            My explanation is much more well constructed, try again

          • Monkeyfuzz

            I mean to cope with the heat, not the heat does it to them like they get burnt. Steel would be developed to claw through molten rock. They adapt to live there over time, not to defend against a sudden change. I liked yours by the way. I was merely suggesting an alternative Alolan form I had thought of, apparently not to your liking.

    • Ultron

      Not sure I like this lol

  • Pharap

    It’s suddenly occurred to me I would struggle to imagine a female Dartrix.
    Rowlett yes, Dartrix no…

    So much for anyone calling their Rowlett ‘Athena’.

    • Ithsme

      MoistRowlett. 😉

    • Just think of it as that awkward teenage phase. It’ll be over just as soon as you finally get used to it and then you’ll never have to worry about it ever again.

      • Pharap

        I like Dartrix as a pokemon, I just sort of struggle to imagine a female one.

        People say many species seem the same, but I’m sure if people saw enough owls they’d begin to notice things that give away whether it’s male or female. Also a lot of owls are sexually dimorphic, females tend to be larger.

        • Monkeyfuzz

          They also often have different feather colouration. I don’t remember what owl this is most prominent in, I saw it on Springwatch I think.

          • Pharap

            Most birds do to some degree. Most notably the peacock. I wish pokemon would do more sexual dimorphism, it makes pokemon more interesting. Even small things like length of horns/fangs are more interesting than no difference at all. Personally I’d choose to make the face shapes different, make male pokemon have more angular faces and female pokemon have smoother faces.

            Maybe mix it up from time to time depending on the species. Like having a peacock pokemon where instead of being plain brown, the female was red and orange to contrast with the green and ble of the male. Or even a pokemon where the different genders had different types. Heck, Volbeat and Illumise are supposed to be the female and male of the same pokemon (in a way), so it’s not totally crazy.

          • Monkeyfuzz

            They have pretty drastic ones like Unfezant, so I agree, more minor differences would be nice.

          • Pharap

            Meowstic’s always been the one that bugged me because they also changed the moveset per gender and I wanted the blue colouring with the attack moveset because I don’t like the white colouring or the attack moveset.

            But yeah, it would be good. Pyroar does an ok job. Pikachu is one of the more overt ones that does well.

            Venusaur, Butterfree, Gloom/Vileplume and Doduou/Dodrio are particluarly good because they’re not immediately obvious but when you see the differences it’s easier to characterise them.

            Wobbuffet is the one I like to bring up to annoy people who make comments about the need to genderise pokemon being counterproductive or other wild accusations. If Gamefreak are willing to just slap lipstick on all female Wobbuffet, they can damn well do some saner stuff with other pokemon.

          • Monkeyfuzz

            I agree with most of this. Though Prankster Male Meowstic is way better than female Meowstic. Personally I love both, I would like if they were both a bit more competitively viable. Wooper has one of my favourite gender differences, as does Starly.
            Wobbuffet is hilarious, I love it even though the Lipstick thing is kinda terrible XD

          • Pharap

            I’m no good with support pokemon, I tend to just load everything with attack moves 😛

            Yeah, Wooper is pretty good. Starly is a bit less noticeable but still quite reasonable. Combee is always a good one too.

            I have no particular issue other than it’s lazy. Besides, I think male/female pokemon and their differences shouldn’t be mixed with real world issues of what’s considered stereotyping and what isn’t.

        • Oh, didn’t know that about owls actually. I get you though. I’ve had to really stretch to see certain ones being female because their design leaves nothing to the imagination. I remember, way back when, I raised a female venusaur with attract in FRLG when serebii’s POTD stated, “No one would expect attract from a venusaur” or something along those lines.

          There are always ones that can go either way, but sometimes I like to pick out the ones you wouldn’t expect and set them as the girls on my team. Like a haxorus, swampert, and even an ursaring who, even despite being female, I imagined looked (and sounded) like a man in drag.

    • Monkeyfuzz

      I knew a girl with a similar hairstyle, also green (much darker), so a bit easier for me I guess 😉

      • Pharap

        Wherever you come from, the people sound strange.

        • Monkeyfuzz

          Well it was only the front of her hair that was similar, the rest was short. It was college, people did stuff like that.

          • Pharap

            I didn’t.

            Then again, maybe I don’t count as people.

          • Monkeyfuzz

            In fairness the most I did was grow my hair long for a bit and have a beard that I shaved the chin bit out of.

          • EarthenWarrior

            Mustache goatee with long chin hair 2 1/2 inches long

            also i’m trying to grow my chesthair in the shape of a cow skull

          • Monkeyfuzz

            I also imagined you with Viking hair braids and a large horned Viking helm.
            Surely the skull of a Mighty Bull right?

          • Pharap

            Funny, I was imagining him as Clay from Unova. But angrier, and with how horns protruding from his head, piercing the hat…

          • Monkeyfuzz

            I imagined he talked like an angry Clay, maybe wears the hat in his down-time.

          • EarthenWarrior

            i have a real helmet in my room but my fat head is too damned ugly to show in the public domain, dig?

          • Monkeyfuzz

            I feel your pain. Is the helmet made from real stuff? Like real cattle horns etc?

          • EarthenWarrior
          • Monkeyfuzz

            Cool, is the hammer based on Mjolnir? Or perhaps to do with Haephestus from greel mythology?

          • EarthenWarrior

            Kinda both
            Hammers and me go like that *Snap*

            I need a weapon that reflects my personality

          • Monkeyfuzz
          • EarthenWarrior
          • Monkeyfuzz

            That’s your WoW character? Looks like he can inflict serious damage.
            I feel like we should have a Dwarf/Ogre Pokémon by now, perhaps it could be Rock/Fighting or Ground/Fighting.

          • EarthenWarrior

            Actually that isn’t my Main, it’s my main that could’ve been
            I’m actually a Dwarven Paladin instead of a Shaman
            http://i.imgur.com/6kzm9JE.jpg
            Back when I first started I was totally new to the fantasy Mmorpg scene, but I knew in my heart Dwarf was my race so I picked the Class that started with a Hammer, if I actually took the time to read everything I might’ve been a Dwarf Warrior or a Tauren Shaman, but it wasn’t until the next expansion they let Dwarves be Shamans which I greatly love since they’re all about Elements

            So yeah it’s a funny story but I stick by being the Hammer of Light, smashing evil’s face in any means necessary

          • Monkeyfuzz

            I’ve never played WoW, only seen stuff of it on TV, like one of my favourite South Park episodes. Can you not change your character at all? Seems like an expansion would give you that option.

          • EarthenWarrior

            You would have to either make a new character or pay for a class change
            But what’s done is severely done,
            (And I started playing because of South Park)

            And wow is good, everyone is liking the Legion Expansion and they let you trial run level 100s now and give you a free level 100 character if you buy the game

          • Monkeyfuzz

            Is it expensive? Do people play as Pandas or did I dream that happened after watching Kung Fu Panda?

          • EarthenWarrior

            I’m still freaking waiting for Wow to give us Ogres
            They had plenty of opportunities to let them join the vile Horde but what would the Alliance get in return

          • Pharap

            I’ve had long hair for over a decade. Probably for longer than I haven’t.
            I only ended up with a half beard because I was too lazy to shave. My face hair grows slowly anyway so I couldn’t do anything fancier than a bit of neck coverage and a small mustache.

          • EarthenWarrior

            like my old religion teacher once told me
            The longer the hair is, the easier it is to pull

          • Pharap

            If the rapture comes at least I can fool people into thinking I’m Jesus.

          • EarthenWarrior

            and once found out will swiftly and painfully crucify you for being a false prophet

          • Pharap

            I’ll talk my way out of it, like convincing them I was sent by Jesus to test their faith and they passed.

          • EarthenWarrior

            You know they’ll just going to kill you extra harder, them religious types are dicey

          • Pharap

            Maybe in Murica, but not so much in Blighty.

          • Monkeyfuzz

            If I have long hair it annoys me, the most I like is a longer fringe, which I sometimes sweep to the side. It’s like much shorter Staraptor hair. Also hair around my mouth annoys me when I eat, so I don’t have a full moustache and shave under my mouth a bit but otherwise I’m fully bearded.

          • Pharap

            And to think I was just imagining you as a talking Infernape.

            I like having long hair most of the time, but it likes to rebel regularly.

          • Monkeyfuzz

            I was going to say in your picture you seem to have no hair at all XD

          • Pharap

            That’s me in 30-70 years, depending on how long I last. XD

          • Monkeyfuzz

            Doesn’t hair last quite a while after you’re gone? Providing burial conditions are right. I saw an episode of Time Team where they dug up a skeleton whose hair was still intact in a braid, I think they said they were an Iron Age person.

          • Pharap

            I don’t think so. It’s made of keratin which breaks down under quite a lot of chemical reactions (mainly acids), so I’m pretty sure acidic soil would erode it.

            Most places I look say it outlasts skin, but everything breaks down eventually.

            Besides, I’m not good at drawing hair, sprite art is tricky.

          • Monkeyfuzz

            It was somewhat broken down on that Time Team episode, still very much in a braid though. I’d find a clip, I’m too tired to look for it rn though.

          • Pharap

            I don’t disbelieve you, but I expect the type of soil helped.

    • Ithsme

      Speaking of gendered Pokemon, I just realized something: when Brionne got announced the Internet was in an uproar, yet when Oricorio was announced (who seems feminine to me) nobody bats an eye.

      • EarthenWarrior

        because it will have a 50/50 gender rating
        while everyone knows Starters are predominantly male

      • ThatGuyWithThePokemon

        I think its because Brionne is a starter evo. People feel their choice at the beginning is limited because one of the starters turns out to be extremely stereotypically feminine

      • Pharap

        Probably because everyone was imagining Popplio as a male and expecting a circus theme instead of a pop idol theme.

        I can imagine all but Pa’u as both male and female, but I was intending to get a female one anyway, since I don’t usually have many females on my team. That’s not because I have anything against females, I just tend to imagine most of the pokemon I like to use in male form and in a way it reflects the friends I’ve made in real life over the years.

        The moment I saw Baile Oricorio though, I knew immediately “automagically added to team roster – female fire/flying”. Come to think of it though, the first one shown in the trailer was female and I don’t remember seeing any males.

        As an aside, female-only pokemon tend not to take my fancy very often because most are cutesy or look too peppy. There are exceptions, but most of the ones that aren’t cutesy or peppy have design issues I dislike (like Froslass’ arms being attached to its head part instead of the fake kimono tail thing).

  • Monkeyfuzz

    So with all the Gender questions brought up by Brionne I have a question of my own. Do you care what gender your Pokémon are? Do you like to have more of one gender on your team than the other(s)? Please try to keep your answers calm and civilised, I realise it has become something of a sensitive subject here recently.

    • EarthenWarrior

      All male

      • Monkeyfuzz

        I figured you would. Even for Hippowdon? I personally prefer female Hippowdon.

        • Ultron

          Female Hippowdon is def better

    • Ultron

      Gender matters when I’m coming up with nicknames.

      • Monkeyfuzz

        True, but do you actively try and get one gender over another?

        • Ultron

          Nope. I always decide nicknames first and then adjust gender accordingly. I have no preference over either gender, although I do like having 3 males/3 females, but that’s not really important.

          • Monkeyfuzz

            I actually do think about having a 50/50 split when building my teams, but then usually go with whatever I get.

    • LinksDaydream

      I honestly don’t care what gender my pokemon are unless I am trying to breed down a ball, unless its Gardevoir those have to be male for me, it being female just seems boring and expected. Honestly most of the time I don’t even look at the gender (I couldnt tell you what the gender of my team is)

      • Monkeyfuzz

        The ball passing is why I have more females than males in my bank. I’d like to see Genderless and Male only get to pass the ball with Ditto, but not let Ditto itself pass it.

        • LinksDaydream

          yeah same, I assume most of the pokemon I have are females just for this reason

          • Monkeyfuzz

            I would like to be able to have stuff like Safari Ball Tauros that I can actually have bred to be competitively useful.

          • LinksDaydream

            they need to make a tauros/miltank pre evo for this reason, and give us new/more poke balls in sun and moon for aesthetic reasons

          • Monkeyfuzz

            Or just make them like Nidoran and Volbeat/Illumise and have both a possibility to hatch from Miltank/Tauros eggs. I want a new Ball that suits Fire types more.

        • Ultron

          Males are generally useless in breeding. This is true in real life as well.

          • Monkeyfuzz

            Egg Moves and Natures are the main thing they pass, both of which the female can have anyway, so I kinda agree haha.

    • Ithsme

      As controversial as this is, for feminine Pokemon liek Gardevior or Roselia I have them be female, and for masculine Pokemon like Emboar I have them be male. Other than that no.

      • Pharap

        Oddly I usually get a male Roselia for when I evolve it into Roserade. Roserade always struck me as a sort of Zoro/Don Quixote type.

      • Monkeyfuzz

        I can see that for those ‘mon, but I have used both genders of each so I feel that much less now. Maybe it’s assigning a personality in my mind that changes how I feel about them.

    • TigerMasku

      My team has to be male unless its goodra, dewong, gardevoir, lopunny, milotic or other feminie looking Pokemon

      • Ithsme

        I’ve neve thought of Dewgong and Goodra as feminine, but to each their own.

      • Monkeyfuzz

        Any reason? Or just a thing you happen to like?

        • TigerMasku

          I prefer males to do the fighting.

          • Monkeyfuzz

            But why? Females are just as capable right?

          • TigerMasku

            They are, but it breaks my heart seeing a female serperior being flamethrowered into oblivion. Also some designs look masculine like mega garchomp for example, it looks wrong female lol. (Imagine male Jynx) lol

          • Monkeyfuzz

            I sort of understand I guess, but I would feel that towards any of my ‘mon, regardless of gender. Some do look more Masculine/Feminine than others, I don’t feel this is often that major though. Male Jynx would make a kind of sense, as a Drag Queen.

          • Jinx is just such an odd Pokémon. Like, are it’s clothes part of it?

          • Monkeyfuzz

            I feel like they must be, they never take them off (thankfully 0_0) or have different ones.

          • So then, what’s it made of? GF confirm this please

          • Monkeyfuzz

            The thought can get pretty horrifying. Lets go with immense psychic energy that turned into physical clothing and then back away slowly with our hands over our eyes.

          • Pharap

            I had the whole “do any pokemon wear clothes” argument once and pretty much everyone argued against me saying anything that looks like clothing is actually skin and no pokemon wears clothing, and the belt Sawk and Throh weave from vines don’t count as clothing and there’s no way their clothing could be made of vines and not actually skin.

            Personally I think pokemon do wear clothes, Jynx included.

            Related: I don’t like Alolan Raichu’s design, I wish its tail had been normal and it actually built its own surfboards by stripping bark off trees or using driftwood.

          • Ultron

            What is this? The 50’s? The stone age?

          • Pharap

            Wait a minute, if men and women are physically equally, how come they’re still divided into groups in most sports? Shouldn’t that also have gone out with the 50s?

          • Ultron

            I feel sports aren’t really comparable to battling creatures that show no difference in physical ability and also can control elements.

          • Pharap

            I thought that was a general comment rather than about Pokemon, so I responded as such.

            In regards to Pokemon, I’d forgive people not realising there isn’t a difference between the two if they’ve never looked into the game mechanics. I’m sure at one point when I was younger I was probably convinced there was a difference just by the way my battles turned out. It took me until either late G4 or early G5 to find out what causes the Wurmple split because I didn’t have the internet until around the time G4 was released. Hard to believe there was a time when stuff like that wasn’t known by all within days of the game being released. I kind of miss the mystery.

    • Golden_Monferno

      Nah I don’t really have a preference over what a Pokemon’s gender is. If I were have to say one it would be
      Gardevoir, but not a lot

      • Monkeyfuzz

        Gardevoir only mattered to me a bit when Gallade was released. I still don’t mind though.

        • Golden_Monferno

          Yeah same, I mean I would prefer it to be female but it isn’t a absolute necessity

        • Pharap

          Originally I was used to it being both, but after Gallade I just think it should have been a gender based split evo from the start.

          • Monkeyfuzz

            I think it should’ve been, but I still don’t mind Male Gardevoir. I was more annoyed when Gallade was initially revealed, but over time I just accepted it. The Mega brought it up again though. Still, never mind, they’ll probably never change it now.

          • Pharap

            Beforehand I didn’t have issue, but when Gallade appeared it suddenly made more sense for Gallade to be the male evolution and Gardevoir to be the female.

            Plus they really didn’t help when they introduced megas.
            “Let’s make Gardevoir’s dress even bigger and even harder to fight in”
            People complain about fighting females drawn with skimpy unprotective clothing but they never think about the ridiculously sized speed-reducing ball gowns 😛

    • I tend to make preconstructed teams with members that have exaggerated personalities. I use these on the side for writing and it leaves me with a sort of ‘sitcom’ cast for a team. As such, I usually go half and half, but there have been a few oddballs, like in HGSS where it was a 1:5 male/female ratio and in BW2 where it was 4:2. My preconceived team right now is 3:3 though.

      • Monkeyfuzz

        That sounds pretty cool. Sometimes if I’m using a genderless Pokémon I feel weird about having less of one gender on the team I’m making. I’m not sure why, maybe because I just like things to be equal if I can. Though I generally just take what is best at the time.

        • I’ve only ever had 1, but honestly, I basically ended up technically giving it one anyway. My Pt magnezone was ‘male’ and was crushing on my lucario…and not because she was a girl, but because she was part steel type and he had magnet pull.

          • Monkeyfuzz

            Haha that’s funny, I like how you incorporated the ability into it XD

          • Pharap

            Shouldn’t that be the other way around?
            The metal is attracted to the magnet rather than the other way around.
            I dunno, I’m not a magneto-physicist.

    • Wes

      I don’t care unless the nickname I have picked out doesn’t fit, but then I don’t nickname Pokemon often, so it usually doesn’t matter.

      • Monkeyfuzz

        I rarely nickname them in-game, I have names in my head that I remember, just in case I change my mind later and it’s in a different game so I can’t ever re-name it. I also do this on the very rare occasion I actually have a Pokémon that was traded to me on my team.

        • Wes

          I actually only have two nicknamed Pokemon: my very first Pokemon, CHARM, and my Banette named Jane.

          • Monkeyfuzz

            I only really Nicknamed Pokémon (in game) from DexNav so I can easily find which has a certain egg move or trait. I don’t tend to have them on my team.

    • Pharap

      I just go by what feels right. Originally that was all male when I got my early games because for many years (certainly the entirety of my primary school years) I only had male friends at school. That probably changed a bit in late G4 early G5 and blah blah blah stuff about my life.

      This time around I’m just going to look at the pokemon, imagine it as a real creature and come up with a fitting scenario. Hence I’m planning: Oricorio♀, Komala♂/♀(undecided), Rowlett♂, Salandit♀/♂, and the rest I’m going to wait for more info. Just realised that means 2 fire types and a normal type, but oh well, it’s win with what you like, not what’s got the best typing.

      • Monkeyfuzz

        Well you also have 2 flying types… I do think some ‘mon might suit a certain gender more, but then I’ll change my mind later, especially if I use one of a different gender to my pre-conceived idea.

        • Pharap

          Drat, hadn’t noticed that either.
          Oricorio is looking like it’s going to have to Oricori-go ; n ;

          I tend not to change my mind once it’s made up. I’ll allow a bit of leeway, but usually once I’ve got a preferred image I stick with that.

          • Monkeyfuzz

            I was thinking of using Minior with Rowlet, but having 2 of the same type on my in-game team irks me somewhat. Feels like a waste of a type coverage slot I suppose.

          • Pharap

            Yeah, but like I say, it’s supposed to be about favourites. And I’ve never really stuck to one team the whole way through, I always swap out as needed depending on the gym. Otherwise I’d be stuck using bog standard pokemon from the first area all the way through.

            I got quite lucky in Y since the team I’d built out of preference ended up being advantageous against the E4. I had a grass type, a fight/dark, an ice/rock, a water/dark, and I’m not sure about the other two, but I think one was part steel.

            I may end up scrapping Oricorio anyway because it doesn’t evolve. So much for me trying to break old habbits 😛 I’ll see when the game arrives. And I can’t help if we’ve got some very nice flying types this time around.

          • Monkeyfuzz

            Yeah I’d like to be able to play with just favourites, but there’s always that thing in my mind telling me I’m wrong to have repeat types. I also grow to like Pokémon over time and then some of them can become favourites even if they weren’t immediately so.

          • Pharap

            I have no qualms with dropping pokemon but I usually stick them in a special box to signify they once fought a gym leader.

            I used to be less sentimental about them than I am now.

          • Monkeyfuzz

            Same, though I don’t like fighting gym leaders with Pokémon who aren’t part of my pre-planned team.

          • Pharap

            I just accept it as being natural since without trading there will always be pokemon that I can’t capture because I’m too early in the game to reach them. I think the anime doesn’t help. Ash used to swap his pokemon out more, but these days he picks a team and sticks with it, which has lead to this ‘one true team’ way of thinking. Hopefully they’ll change that.

    • ThatGuyWithThePokemon

      Naw, I don’t know if I’m alone in this, but sometimes I’ll get through like, 70% of the game before I realize that one of my pokemon is an unorthodox gender. “Wtf!? Why did Attract wor- Ohhhh, my Gardevoir’s a male, I didn’t know that” (That happened waaaay back in Gen III before Gallade).

      • Monkeyfuzz

        Sometimes if I’m not paying attention, but as I breed Pokémon a lot I tend to be quite aware if I’m actually looking for a Pokémon with a specific trait to catch. I actually pay fairly little attention to the genders of opposing trainers’ Pokémon.

        • ThatGuyWithThePokemon

          I should probably start doing that. Once came into the competitive world, I actually had to rebreed a ton of my pokemon because they weren’t the right genders for breeding purposes lol. As far as casual playing though, couldn’t are less.

          • Monkeyfuzz

            Same pretty much, when I have the result of my breed that I want I’m fine with either.

  • Wes

    Just out of curiosity, have any of you gotten one of your own Pokemon back when Wonder Trading? I just got back one of the Shuppet I traded when I finished breeding a ton of them.

    • Golden_Monferno

      Never had one come back to me, but that is such a coincidence that you got your Shuppet back lol

      • Wes

        Its stats aren’t the best (good, but not great), but I’m totally keeping it. I think fate is telling me not to give it up. :p

        • Golden_Monferno

          Better keep onto it I suppose

    • EarthenWarrior

      That is impossible odds
      I’ve never seen my exact Pokemon returned but I often receive the same Pokemon I just traded
      LIKE THE FREAKING BILLIONS OF GOD FUCKING DAMNED ZIGZAGOON AND EEVEES EVERYWHERE
      ALWAYS ALWAYS THE ROUTE ONE FODDER IM SIIIIIICK OF IT AAAGAGAGHHHHGHHHHHHHH

      • Wes

        I recognized it immediately because of my naming scheme that helps me keep track of them when breeding, but I checked the OT just to be sure, and it’s definitely mine!

      • LinksDaydream

        The pokemon I get most from wonder trade is Aron, I have an entire box of them and it has made me hate them

    • Monkeyfuzz

      It’s only happened to me on GTS, not Wonder Trade.

  • Golden_Monferno

    So I realized earlier today that I haven’t challenged the Elite Four a 2nd time, so I went ahead and beat them again with some of my original team with 2 other moms I trained for competitive battling. After I beat Steven, I watched the credits roll with the history of the main events in the main story. As I watched the Pokemon I used in those battles I realized: “Damn, I’m really going to miss Omega Ruby,”. I mean, while they weren’t the best games, OR was the game I’ve been playing for the past almost 2 years. And to think I’m starting Sun in the next month is kinda weird and sad because I’m going to miss Omega Ruby.

    • Pharap

      I’ll probably come back to OR more than I did Y.
      After the main story was done, Y fell a bit flat.
      OR still has secret bases and islands to explore, even after catching 70% of the legendaries.
      Plus I think it’s prettier in places.

      • Golden_Monferno

        True, X and Y felt a little boring because I’ve played it 4 times already and the story gets a tad bit bland. I did like ORAS better than XY, it just was so nostalgic for me

        • Pharap

          Once was enough for me, and even then I only half paid attention to the story.

          I prefer the stuff with ruins and deep lore like in Sinnoh, Hoenn and Johto.
          Kalos was all about the war and Yvetal and Xerneas just existed as a means of powering the weapon, practically nothing was said about their existence.

          I must admit ORAS had bits I didn’t like. (I absolutely hated what they did to Mauville and New Mauville). But overall it was reasonably faithful to the original and managed to look (mostly) better than Kalos. I took issue at some of the story elements (like the parallel universe stuff and the retcon of Sootopolis’ creation story) but the execution was good.

          • Ultron

            What! You hated Mauville? I LOVE the redesign. The city before was so bland and frankly forgettable.

          • Pharap

            It used to be one of my favourites because it was a nice long throughfare for bikes and it had a quaint/cosy charm. Modern mauville feels like an oversized shopping complex – uninviting, bland, repetative.

            And New Mauville used to be a proper dungeon, now it’s just a room with items.

          • Ultron

            Yeah, New Mauville sucked. I thought there was maybe like a secret part but nope. But I don’t think the throughfare part is really all that important any more. They have the battle resort trick (which is amazing) for hatching eggs and you can also just ride your bike in Mauville so that’s really nice. It does feel like mall, but I like that feeling, especially because they made it intricately layered.

          • Pharap

            It’s the dessert power plants all over again.

            I don’t like the battle resort day care though, I don’t trust those kids, especially to watch pokemon ‘lay eggs’. It seems weird. At least the grandparents would know the truth and let the pokemon be. Unless I’m getting it wrong and pokemon lay eggs the same way Chao from Sonic do.

            I really don’t like the ‘mall’ feel. I only know of two or three ‘mall’ type places near me and both feel very alien. I get the same feeling from all shopping malls. I don’t like the residential area being all flats/apartments either. Those also feel really alien. Like cubicles on a spaceship. And the gym doesn’t feel special anymore, it feels like it’s just another shop where you go in, get what you came for, and leave.

          • Ultron

            It just feels lively to me. Idk, it’s probably in my top 3 favorite pokemon cities. The gym doesn’t stand out though. They could’ve done something else with it.

          • Pharap

            Most of the NPCs are inside, stationary or sat down though. At least Lumiose had people wandering around and things going by.

            The gym would have made a good rooftop thing, and it could have doubled as the generator room, with the turbines outside it.

            (Which reminds me I dislike wind turbines too. I didn’t mind them too much in Sinnoh around the valley windworks, but the less of them the better. In contrast, I’d like to see more windmills.)

          • Golden_Monferno

            True, I mean ORAS weren’t the best of remakes but still good games. And I agree with what you said about lore and ruins, like in Sinnoh (my favorite region), it had the creation trio, Regigigas (which called back on the Regi Trio, something I thought was pretty awesome), and the Lake Trio, not to mention Arceus too.

          • Pharap

            I don’t just mean the pokemon themselves though, I mean the way their legends were woven into the story. They were hinted at by statues and carvings and legends told by NPCs. They were foreshadowed a great deal which made finally encountering them a great moment.

            Kalos just Deus Ex Machina’d them into the core of a superweapon and gave us no lore other than ‘one is life, one is death’ which felt really lazy and stupid.

    • Ultron

      I liked ORAS. The only real complaints I have are that it’s not challenging enough battle wise (gym leaders were wienies compared to Emerald) and no BF.

      • Pharap

        To be fair Emerald had different moves available among other things. If you were comparing exactly the same teams and found that result I’d say fair enough, but I find results tend to be skewed in favour of older stuff due to new move mechanics and modern AI not having caught up with the new move pools.

        • Ultron

          I just felt they could’ve given them more pokemon and raised their levels a bit. Or at the very least had them rematchable. Liza and Tate definitely should’ve had more than 2 pokemon though.

          • Pharap

            Gamefreak will always pander to the lowest common denominator.

            I agree about having rematches and L&T needing more than two (even though I think they were that easy in the original).

          • Ultron

            Challenge mode was literally one of the best features they’ve had. I don’t get why they got rid of it.

          • Pharap

            Probably effort, or maybe sales or market research saying otherwise.

            I never had challenge mode, but I’d advise turning the exp share off in Alola, I’ve heard people who replayed Kalos with it off suddenly found things much harder.

          • Ultron

            Exp. share is lame. I never used it post gen 4.

  • Pharap

    I wish you could have a 7th pokemon as a designated mascot for your team. I.e. you can’t use it in battle but it accompanies you anyway, maybe gains Exp still or something.

    Would be nice for those pokemon you think are quite cool/cute but not very good at battling or you don’t want to evolve them.

    • Golden_Monferno

      Sorta like that buddy mechanic in GO and that Pokewalker in HGSS

      • Pharap

        I suppose it could be compared to the pokewalker. It’s kind of hard to express.

        Basically imagine a pokemon you really like but know it would do terribly in battle or would waste a slot you desparately need for a different pokemon because of types and things. This way it would still be in your team, but doesn’t actually battle, it just hangs around the trainer like a mascott. Like what Misty’s Togepi did originally, or Brock’s Bonsly before it could attack.

        Maybe have it animated next to the trainer in battle or on the overworld, like when pokemon followed the trainer in HGSS if possible.

        Maybe I’m being too frivolous, I dunno.

        • Monkeyfuzz

          “Wailord, you’re too weak to battle anyone, here ride on my shoulder like Ash’s Pikachu” *is instantly crushed to death*

          • Pharap

            And this is why we’re never getting pokemon to follow us again.
            (image)
            https://i.sli.mg/rmSorF.png
            http://img08.deviantart.net/67e4/i/2015/269/7/e/pokemon_size_chart__aquatic_mammals_by_awesomeraptor21-d9b0daa.jpg
            (P.S. I didn’t realise the Slow-line were that big)

          • Ultron

            That wailord seems exaggerated compared to kyogre

          • Pharap

            Wailord 14.5 m
            Kyogre (norm) 4.5 m
            Kyogre (primal) 9.8 m

            Yep, spooky stuff.

          • Ultron

            Hm…

          • Monkeyfuzz

            Cute little Wailord. Tbh I felt it was weird seeing my Lugia follow me and be so small, but most ‘mon were fine in HGSS or I didn’t think about it too much. I usually had my Typhlosion out front anyway.
            Also how long did it take you to find that Wailord following picture XD ?

          • Pharap

            Given the new 3D approach, they’re probably avoiding it because it would look even weirder. One thing the anime got right, most water pokemon should be confined to water and be inoperable on land.

            Unless they suddenly added a mechanism to generate an artificial battlefield like yugioh sort of had.

  • Mage of Pisces

    Ok… Let’s see if I can crack it…

    Kitsune are known to be massively intelligent and able to transform into humans, possess women. Often they can be seen as mischievous and malicious who prey on the proud and boastful to the poor and helpless, but are also known as benevolent friends or wives who love for and care for those close to them. They’re known to also live a very long time and have magical powers. They were also, at one point, seen as a fox-like goblin that could never be trusted.

    Cleopatra was seen as a figure of great beauty, had a charming voice, and had the ability to make everyone agree with her. Apparently this gave her an advantage as a ruler, as people were pleased to be under her rule. She was also very intelligent and fluent in 9 languages.

    I’m starting to see some connections.

    Onward to Gorgons. They were seen as hideous, sometimes immortal, creatures with the ability to turn people into stone by a simple gaze into the eyes or the eyes of her snakes. They’re often depicted with living snakes for hair and as sisters or as tusked, clawed, winged creatures. They’re also known to have large fangs or forced smiles showing their sharp teeth. In some cases, their decapitated heads look like they’re beared or winged from the blood flowing or snake hair hanging. A gorgon’s scales and intertwined snakes may originate from the mythical dragon Delphyne, who had impenetrable scales, whereas other features could be from the Mesopotamian Humbaba. Apparently, one infamous gorgon named Medusa had copulated with Poseidon after he fell in love with her beauty and golden hair in Athena’s temple. The goddess cursed her to have snakes for hair thereafter.

    For Delphyne, she was a dragon with the upper half of a maiden and lower half of a serpent. For the Humbaba, the only relevant thing I found was that it breathes fire.

    Finally, Sirens. They were dangerous creatures who sung songs to lure sailors to their deaths. Some have been portrayed as daughters of the river god, Achelous and the Earth. In other cases, they’ve been winged maidens, but still daughters of earth. The winged version takes the men to flower filled locations surrounded by cliffs and rocks. In general, they’ve been represented as women with bird legs and possibly bird wings, birds with the heads of women, or simply a beautiful young maiden. Sirens would play songs so irresistible that it even created a term for something irresistible that is bad. Christianity depicted sirens as winged prostitutes using their instruments and songs to drive travelers to poverty and shipwreck.

    Ok… Let’s compile the similarities..

    All of them have something to do with beauty and either intelligence or some special power. Most seem to be able to manipulate men or get their way. Two are known as kind and loving whereas three are known to be rather dangerous and manipulative. Overall, they’re all connected to being beautiful but able to get their way and some sort of power, whether it be political or literal.

    Also, for note, Salandit’s Japanese name, Yatoumori, comes from a corruption of Yato (burglar) and the word for newt, Imori. The burglar part also goes along well with the idea of stealing another’s will or causing misfortune. The newt part could also refer to the mythical dragon of fire, the Salamander, who is named after the amphibian of the same name, which is also a close relative to the newt.

    With all this said…. Here’s my idea on what the evolution may be.

    I believe it may be a female only evolution with the ability to use possessive moves such as disable, glare, and maybe even a new one. I envision it having the black “flaps” on the neck to turn into wings on the shoulders that rise up like frills when attacking, the black “mask” to resemble a hair-like pattern, and for the tail to curl around it and resemble a dress or skirt, also keeping it bipedal.
    However, I believe there may be two female evolutions. One for Sun and one for Moon, with the other version having her be more gentle, using moves like Helping-Hand, Will-o-Wisp, and maybe even a new move to prevent certain statuses. I imagine the flaps turning into wings like Druddigon’s, the mask could cover just the snout, and the pokemon becomes bipedal.

    I feel like, at the same time, they may end up being Dragon/Fire or Dragon/Poison versions of the same one pokemon with both of these concepts combined. I’m not saying there won’t be a male evolution, though. I just feel like this will end up more like Burmy’s line but better.

    That’s my conclusion.

    • Pharap

      “They have said that it will relate to one of four characters”

      i.e. not all 4, just 1, 3 are red herrings.

      • Mage of Pisces

        In that case, I feel it’s best to say Gorgons, especially given that they have backstories with winged heads, reptilian features, and even potential origins from a Greek dragon and a Mesopotamian fire breathing monster. Plus, snakes are also poisonous and Salandit is a monitor lizard, like the komodo dragon.

    • Monkeyfuzz

      I liked reading this, I think it will relate to one of the 4 things, however those common traits seem like they will influence at least one evolution. I feel maybe Turtonator will stop another Dragon/Fire from happening this gen though.

    • I wouldn’t go so far as to assume a type change. This would be the first poison/fire type we’ve ever got and to lose that immediately would be weird. I am not against that though since, y’know, EARTHQUAKE.

      Still, despite what Pharap said (about the red herring), there are similarities that inadvertently link them. Mainly being a female who can control/manipulate men to get what she wants. Stage 1 may simply be tricking others to let their guards down so you can rob them, stage 2 may be along the lines of becoming so proficient at it in a way, that men throw themselves at you in dumbfounded stupor, making it insanely easy to get anything.

      Yeah, that goes with the whoile succubus thing mentioned before, but there’s always a PG way of pulling that off. Besides, if we got that bimbo, Lopunny, then anything can fly.

      • Pharap

        The linkage is probably part of the ploy.
        It’s probably going to be related to one of the traits that doesn’t link them. Like an exclusion game: you exclude all the things they have in common and focus on the differences.

        I’m glad someone listened though, I am actually quoting the article, I’m not pulling stuff from thin air.

        I think the female aspect is either a ploy or it’s a split evolution, or maybe they’re only describing the female or something. Again, why I think avoiding the obvious links and looking at the things that divide would be more valueble.

        Poor lopunny.
        Golurks can fly 😀

        • Heh. The most obvious standings about salandit to me are the bandit motif and the emphasis on the females’ abilities. Any evolution would have to incorporate these two things in some way at the very least (so a combee evo looks promising). Really, I’m not expecting a massive change in concept; Pokemon don’t generally do that with maybe the exception of evos added in later gens. So if we’re gonna speculate on anything, we should try to keep those factors in.

          • Monkeyfuzz

            This is something I dislike about this ‘riddle’ people are forgetting the bandit theme somewhat, it’s one of it’s main features, it’s in it’s name.

          • It’s kinda hard to just tack one of those ideas on though. Like, a thief…who is also Cleopatra inspired? That doesn’t really add up, especially considering that there’s no overlying Egyptian theme to start with. The kyuubi might work, but a lizard gaining more tails wouldn’t really be considered as such, generally just some kind of dragon or something. The siren is basically covered by the popplio evo, having 2 in the same gen would be lazy, especially since they’ve been giving this gen’s pokemon a lot of thought and individuality. That just leaves the gorgon, who I can’t really find any argument against tbh. However, going from a newt to a medusa like creature while still being a bandit is just too much to juggle.

            Conversely, look at ampharos. If it were a 3 stage evo, then perhaps a change like that could be justified.

          • Pharap

            It’s going to be more abstract than that.
            The American Football player was just a hint to Passimian’s throwing capability (and arguably its hat thing) for example.
            Those are just two small aspects, unrelated to the lore at hand.

            It might be as simple as Salandit becomes ‘king of thieves’ and has a crown, or gets so enamoured with jewels it decorates itself with earings and things.

          • Pharap

            Hence why I say not to focus on what the 4 have in common, but what they have that’s different, since 3 are just flat out false (supposedly).

          • Pharap

            So far we’ve only heard lore about what the female does differently, we have no stats or abilities to go on, so it’s a bit of a mystery. There was no hint in Rockruff’s description that it would split or do anything unusual.

            I hope they don’t pull an ‘only the female evolves’ because that would skew the balance. I could accept a branching evo with one form for male and one for female, but not another Combee situation.

    • S U C C U B U S

      • Monkeyfuzz

        Lamia seems more likely to me tbh.

  • TigerMasku

    I hate the riddler, he gives us stupid hints

    • If you look into them, hey make a bit more sense actually

    • Monkeyfuzz

      Maybe you should shine the Zubat signal to get Zubatman to go stop him.

  • EarthenWarrior

    I swear why do I always think about Five Nights at Freddy’s before going to sleep

    • Shady

      I fight dreadful monsters every weak …..in my dream unfortunately.

  • Chicolombia

    I haven’t commented here in forever…

    hi

    • Monkeyfuzz

      Hello, I remember reading your comments here a while ago, long before I joined Disqus. Welcome back 🙂

    • Hey Chico! Glad to see you back!

    • TigerMasku

      I remember I laughed hard at one of your comments but I can’t find it now because you are private

      • Chicolombia

        I mean, I like to think I’m pretty funny person, thanks haha

    • Ultron

      We were better without you. Happier without you.

  • Ok so I’m right on the coast of Panama City for vacation right now and I was playing Pokémon Go. There are a ton of Pokémon here I don’t have where I live so I was like “Woah a Kingler!” “Woah a Charmander!” “WOAH A PIKACHU”

    My little brother was getting angry that he couldn’t play and that I was catching a ton of rare Pokémon then I said “WOAH A PUMBLOOM” And he got angry again without realizing that isn’t even a Pokémon so that was fun

  • Help I’m having a crisis I think I might like Black and White more than HGSS

    • Ultron

      No shame, both are great games! B/W has a better plot by far though

    • Gen 4 as a whole will always be my favorite, but there’s absolutely no denying that gen 5 were better games. The only things I knock them for where the crappy exp payouts and boring region layout.

  • Monkeyfuzz

    Well I stayed up to watch the American Presidential debate, for no real reason other than it’s oddly fascinating as an outsider. Then even though it finished a while ago I still haven’t gone to sleep, so I should go do that now. Nice to talk to you all, see ya later 🙂

    • PLEASE HELP US

      • IT’S ALREADY TOO LATE. GET OUT WHILE YOU CAN.

      • Monkeyfuzz

        It’s not much better anywhere else at them moment tbh, sorry, hope it works out well for you guys either way.

        • Pharap

          I dunno, I’d say we’re doing pretty well considering.

          • Monkeyfuzz

            Depends where you live an how much money you have. By comparison to some countries we are doing kind of OK.

          • Pharap

            My family isn’t well off per se, but we avoid buying stuff unnecissarily as much as possible. For example, I’ve had the same phone for about 10 years and I haven’t bought any new games for 3 months. We also haven’t had a holiday in many years and we rarely go out to eat, so we manage to sustain ourselves. Plus there was some inheritance last year, which we’ve hardly touched.

            That probably sounds really boring or strange, but it keeps our world turning.

          • Exeledus

            keeping on moving is more important than extravagant belongings. your family is wise.

          • Pharap

            Yeah – bills and food before tech upgrades and fancy clothes.

          • Monkeyfuzz

            We’re pretty much the same tbh, just with almost no money to spare most of the time. Almost never have take out and haven’t been on holiday in nearly 10 years (Only ever in the UK).

          • Pharap

            “Take out” sounds horribly American 😛

            We have money to spare, but that comes from avoiding buying things until necessary and being careful with what we’ve got.

            I’ve heard tales of friends who’ve lost 2-3 phones in 1 year. 10 years and I’ve only ever misplaced mine about 5 times at the most, and it was almost always inside the house.
            And I’ve heard tales of people who go down the pub every week or go to a restaurant every week. If we did that we definately wouldn’t have money for emergencies.

            I think the last time I had a holiday was about the same time. I have been outside the UK a few times, but mostly when I was younger so the tickets would have been cheaper anyway. And there’s only one of me, no siblings, so that helps a lot.

      • Pharap

        Get them both assasinated so you can have some slightly less awful candidates.

        Or just vote for an independant. If enough people do that, you might get a coalition which would be slightly less awful in most cases..

        • Fuck no keep Pence as far as possible away from office please. He scares me so much

          • Monkeyfuzz

            I thought Bernie Sanders (is that right?), the old guy with glasses, seemed alright, apparently not enough to get the nomination though.

          • Pharap

            Same here.
            I’ve heard some less nice stuff about him as well (mainly accusations of being neo-communist but I take things with a pinch of salt), but what I have seen makes him seem better than Hilary.

          • Pharap

            No idea who that is, but Hilary scares me and Trump will probably put his foot in it more times than a cowboy at a pie-stomping competition.

            Having a brief look, the Libertarians (assuming they actually support what they claim, which is probably not the case but oh well) don’t look too bad as an alternative.

            Oh my god… John McAfee could have been running…
            oh god oh god oh god oh god
            That would have been the end of everything XD

          • Pence is Trumps Vice President and he is awful and really anti LGBT and scares me.

          • Pharap

            Whenever I’m worried about who might be getting into power, I look at North Korea and think “well at least it won’t be that bad”.

            Besides, in 100 years we’ll all be dead so it won’t matter what we think.

          • Um, why?

          • Pharap

            Because seeing the state some other countries are in makes me remember that it could always be worse.

          • Pharap

            Seriously though, google “How To Uninstall McAfee Antivirus John McAfee” and you’ll see why that guy being in the running for head of a party is scary XD

    • Pokemania88

      We’re doomed.

      • Monkeyfuzz

        Stay positive, it might turn out alright :/

        • Pokemania88

          Lol, yah I know. Listen you never know. But for now it’s kind of like, I don’t even know if its been a “presidential” debate. It’s just all about scandals.

          • Pharap

            That’s what modern politics is like most of the time sadly. Moreso in America than it is over here.

            Besides, you’ll never be worse off than North Korea currently is. And it’ll only be a few years until the next vote comes round.

  • Exeledus

    well I’m officially creeped out. I’m pretty sure I was stalked to my home tonight.

    • Umm call the police??

      • Exeledus

        theres no point. its not like I can just say “hey I was followed but yeah the person isn’t here anymore and nobody but me saw them” this is the second day in a row. I asked my friend if he could give me a lift home from my place of employment but he said I would be fine. he was right I am fine just shaken. I hope that clown fad didn’t reach my town.

        • Um no, just call. Like, that’s kinda their job to investigate that stuff. If you are being stalked that’s pretty serious

          • Exeledus

            yeah you are right. if it happens again I will do it on the spot. I wont have to walk home anymore for awhile its just my usual ride was on vacation this week

          • TigerMasku

            I’d call the police for you but I am in a different country. If it’s the same person then worrying is not enough, because it means he’s up to something and he’s testing the waters with you seeing how vulnerable you are.

        • Monkeyfuzz

          If it’s happened twice I’d be worried too. You either need someone to accompany you or call the police and ask for advice at least.

        • Pharap

          Buy a rape alarm and pepper spray, and maybe a camera to stick to your back so you can see behind you.

          And a baseball bat to smash the clown with.

        • The Last Kurusu

          I already am hunting them down my Sneasel have already captured some yet others will be caught and brought to justice

  • AuroraLights493

    What are everyone’s thoughts about the still unknown secret of the Alola Starters?
    I’m still hoping that alternate evolutions depending on the game version like the two forms of Lycanroc, are a possibility.

    • TigerMasku

      I guess they will have special z moves

    • Pharap

      Probably either plain old personalised Z moves or the ability to acompany the trainer to a special area, or maybe just regular special moves.

      Maybe they randomly decided to make the starters mega evolve for some crazy reason.

    • zess

      I think their secret is merely that they were used in the creation of Type:Null.

    • Strawberry_Pocky_Moose

      I’m wondering if it’s a plot related secret instead of alternate evolution. I just don’t see them doing alternate evolution for the starters.

      And it would be nice for the starter Pokemon to be involved in the story somehow.

  • Rockcrawdaunt

    The riddler is past his prime. It’s boring and a slog to decipher. It used to be fun to see what he would get right after the fact and things like Rock Paper Scissors and the guts coming to fruition in pyukumuku. That example is really showing the shine he once had- we never could have speculated a sea cucumber with an organ fist. It was fun days later to see how he teased it. But now? Letting us know what exactly things are being teased- that’s just cheap and distracting. Its a bit interesting to guess which of the four but after a while it all becomes tedious.

    And I’m still not over that grid/ list being updated after reveals instead of before. It’s cheap and ruins his credibility.

    All of this feels like there’s been two separate riddlers.

    • Pharap

      Yay, more and more people are coming round to this way of thinking.

      Maybe it’s time we took a vote on who likes the riddler and who doesn’t.

      • Is there an “indifferent” option?

        • Pharap

          I dunno, I don’t have the ability to make polls.

          Unless the forums give people that ability, in which case I could make one on the forums and convince people to give a response.

    • Strawberry_Pocky_Moose

      I haven’t been interested in this guy from day 1. Either leak something or don’t. No need to be a cryptic dick about it. Seems a bit immature and attention-seeking.

      I mean if people find it a fun ‘puzzle’ then I guess that’s fine, but it’s just not for me. I don’t have a lot of patience for that kind of thing xD

  • Pharap

    It’s 7am so I’m gonna dash because oh dear I shouldn’t have stayed up this late.

    5 days to go.

    And just because topical:
    http://i.imgur.com/oEzsz7a.jpg
    (Still think we need a pokemon for the other one, Raticate doesn’t really fit.)

  • TigerMasku

    I’m all alone now x)

  • TigerMasku

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/bb2456a9e8cdf4a4e7154c30d0c32829616752aef8cf565e842fa030efce2218.jpg why isn’t anyone talking about this leak? It predicted ash greninja being on the demo before it was announced. These leaks looks good.

    • EarthenWarrior

      You big dummy they said the demo would let you use Ash-Greninja and then transfer it over

      • TigerMasku

        Leaks say ash greninja is featured in demo=OCT news say ash greninja can be used in demon and then transferred

        Close enough? No?

        • The Last Kurusu

          I feel that 85 is an impossibility because of Evos. For already shown plus ones we can assume (Tapu’s) exist we would already be over the line with Alolan’s and UB’s

    • zess

      Wonder what Alolan ditto would look like

      • EarthenWarrior

        nothing
        Ditto already friggin adapts to freaking anything, it would absolutely never need to alter its body permanently to better suit itself

        i swear they should’ve kept Alolan forms strictly environmental based

        • zess

          Wow I just noticed the typo i meant diglett.

    • Ultron

      85 new pokemon? BYE. Fake.

      • UnburdenedLegume

        How is that fake? XY had 72

        • Ultron

          That would mean there aren’t many more pokemon to reveal and we STILL don’t have any dark or ice types. Alola is supposed to be rich in rare pokemon, 85 doesn’t scream rich. I don’t see there being less than 100. They’ve revealed a lot of pokemon so far, I don’t think they would’ve revealed as many as they have if there were only 85.

          • UnburdenedLegume

            I don’t think we can count Alolan forms as ”new” Pokemon

          • Ultron

            Well of course. But they’ve still revealed over 40 non-alolan form pokemon and a lot of them need evolutions

    • Ultron

      “Z-forms aren’t really a thing, mostly”

      REALLY? What kind of “leaked” information is that!? Mostly?? If you’re leaking information you need to be definitive. This is fake.

    • These are the worst leaks I’ve ever read. What is “Z-Moves aren’t really a thing mostly” supposed to mean??

      • Pharap

        Z forms, not Z moves.
        i.e. the theory that Z moves can change a pokemon’s form.
        Might be hinting at the Z bracelet also doing mega evolution.

      • Trusk

        You know what, sorry for my last post about Rubber type. I do not believe that Marshadow will have a new type. But if it is unique, then I will be anyone’s guess about what typing combination will it be.

    • Trusk

      I am hoping for Rubber-type.

      2x damage to: Fairy, Electric, Water
      1/2 damage to: Fire, Dragon, Ice, Poison, Rock
      2x damage from: Fire, Dragon, Ice, Poison
      1/2 damage from: Water, Electric, Grass, Fighting, Ground
      Immune to: Fairy

  • The Last Kurusu

    So no Corocoro today?!

  • Dianegbowden1

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    • EarthenWarrior

      Go away and Fuck off

  • zess

    Ash from Kanto to Alola I personally love his Alolan rendition, makes him even look way better. (RF) https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/faff1a030d3b659c4e6ecea5ebada634735de94b20f9605f795349484f1216e5.png

    • Leo

      I don’t like the Alola style :/

    • Michael A. Lozoya

      From the trailer I loved the fluidity, and even more expression from the characters.

    • Trusk

      I thought that he looked prime in XY. Who’s idea was it to change the staff who gave us such promising animation and substitute it for slop?!

      • Argentarus

        Slop?! Do you even art, bro? Animation takes HOURS on end to draw.

        TL;DR So, just because it’s a big franchise means that they can’t experiment on different art styles?!

  • EarthenWarrior

    I realized something
    Brionne’s cry sounds extremely similar to Carbink’s
    https://youtu.be/QLXYsX85758
    https://youtu.be/RGMxhtByzXY

    • zess

      Fairy types confirmed! Jk but it’s probably just a coincidence.

    • The Queen of Peace

      Brionne sounds exactly like a guinea pig.

  • The Queen of Peace

    So when are we expecting coro coro

  • Strawberry_Pocky_Moose

    There’s a guy on Twitter who claims to have the demo already. He shared a photo of it downloading, and it actually looks like it could be real.

    • zess

      The picture of the demo in French? If so that has been drifting about for a while now.

      • Strawberry_Pocky_Moose

        I haven’t really gone on Twitter in 2 days ^^;

        Anyway it seems like you can hack your way into dwnloading it but it fails at 99% so yeah. We have to wait another week haha

        • MelloMori

          ehh, sorta. We talked about it before earlier, but basically it need a certain key in order to work. A certain 128 digit key. Because of this, while it is possible to have a program constantly pup in different keys without having to manually enter them in yourself, its still something like 10*30th possible options for it to enter, and given the demo comes out in 8 days, its unlikely that they could crack it before then.

  • UnburdenedLegume

    Really thought Corocoro would leak today. Oh well, guess I have to watch my phone tomorrow during break. First day on uni 🙂

  • Sharonmbetts4

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  • Rockypockypuff

    Just watch them have a colour difference, as the real life marbled salamander.

    • Trusk

      What you just said kinda reminds me of Hippopotas.

  • Trusk

    As for the upcoming information, I sure hope that gym leaders will be revealed. Aside from that, I don’t give hoot about the story of the games. Additionally, I’m rather freaked out that they got rid of the staff that made the animation so great in the majority of the Pokemon anime. Thanks for nothing Game Freak…

  • Trusk

    I am staying away from Sun and Moon. I fear that that the animation in the upcoming films would even be worse than that in the recent Doraemon films…

  • Draco_Steel

    I think salandit will have a split evolution like mothim and wormadam with a gender split

  • Draco_Steel

    also type null seems to have zygardes cells imprinted in stead of gems on its helmet