Another Pokémon Sun & Moon reveal, another update from the mysterious Chinese leaker who only gives cryptic clues about Pokémon that will be revealed. This update comes after the reveal of Lycanroc, Passimian and Oranguru and here are some things that I’m noting:

  • The split-form nature of Lycanroc is noted by a divided box, but the final evolutions of the starters are not, suggesting that the secret “shared” by Rockruff and the starters is not version-exclusive evolutionary forms
  • The “Aristotle” Pokémon seems to be connected to UB-01 suggesting that maybe Ultra Beasts will be obtainable similarly to Pokémon… or maybe they even have a Pokémon counterpart?
  • Ultra Beasts do seem to be included right alongside Pokémon in his list, nested right between traditional “legendary” Pokémon

These are just my own personal thoughts after see the grid, I’m just playing along with everyone else trying to figure out what he means 🙂 Have to say… it is kind of fun.

<3 PJ

FEATURED DISCUSSION: Pikmin Franchise Thoughts

  • Kiwi-Pineapple Parasol

    First!

    • Kiwi-Pineapple Parasol

      And first time to comment on a Pokejungle article! But I’ve been reading the comments here since Sun and Moon were announced. Hello, everyone!

      • zess

        Welcome to the jungle!

        • Kiwi-Pineapple Parasol

          Thank you! See you around!

      • Sam

        Woohoo! Is my first time too yay #high5

        • Kiwi-Pineapple Parasol

          YAAAAAY! xD

  • SomeGuy

    Still don’t understand the highlighted / faded out sprites. But I am praying to Arceus that faded sprites are getting Alola Forms.

    • knightwolf09

      Actually the faded Pokemon are simply old Pokemon seen in pre-release material other than battle footage, as well as any Pokemon related to those. For instance, Meganium was seen on a t-shirt in an artwork, which is why all the Johto starters are faded. I personally doubt they will be included in the Alola Pokedex, though.

      • SomeGuy

        I don’t think that’s it at all. 8 actually 100% think that’s the Pokémon from previous regions in the regional dex. Faded Pokémon have Alola Forms. It would be too obvious if they included the confirmed Alolas on that list so they were removed. Notice Pichu, Pikachu, and Cubone are on the list, but not Raichu or Marowak.

        • knightwolf09

          All the faded one were seen as obscured items in past trailers. Also reason Raichu and Marowak weren’t added cause they already are in the game as Alolan forms.

  • Ithsme

    The toucan sounds cool, I hope we see that soon!

    • AlolanSandschrew

      Hopefylly it has an pre evo or evo

  • derLieko

    This would be the first time the Sudo-Legendary has only 2 stages…

    • Ultron

      I don’t think that thing after jangmo-o is its evo. And the pseudo can’t just have two stages.

  • Sunny Mahmud

    Maybe the shared feature Rockruff has with the starters are forms depending on Day and Night. Maybe they get new abilities, forms, or powers depending on the time of day.

    • AlolanSandschrew

      That would be weird as rockruff has a ‘shared’ secret with them
      And has no form changing aspect in it

      • Sunny Mahmud

        Well according to Joe from Serebii, Coro Coro never specified if the shared the same method. So maybe they share the ability to have different forms.

  • AlolanSandschrew

    Well to be fair, he didnt say rockruff had a split evo before aswell Right?

  • Haxford

    What did the riddler get right until now?

    • knightwolf09

      Sun and Moon’s titles, Solgaleo and Lunala, Pyukumuku, Tapu Koko, Mimikyu, Sandyghast/Pallosand, Passimian, Oranguru, Team Skull, Aether Foundation, multiple professors, and I believe that’s it.

      • Of Moose & Men

        Yea, just pretty much 80% of what we know up until now. Probably just lucky guesses amirite?

        • knightwolf09

          Nah. Many of that stuff you can’t just guess.

          • Of Moose & Men

            I was being sarcastic.

          • knightwolf09

            It’s hard to tell with just text. XD

  • EarthenWarrior

    This list is too small

  • Justin Espiritu

    jesus christ its like X and Y over again…. we’ll be getting less new pokemon and a bunch of old pokemon rehashes with different typing. Gamefreak pls, can you just make a game with just new pokemon like you did with Black and White?

    • Ultron

      These aren’t all the new pokemon. Don’t forget we still supposedly have a dolphin and a snowman coming. He also has not included evolutions for the pokemon on his chart. Not to mention there are no new dark or ice types here. There have to be at least one new line of each..

    • EarthenWarrior

      Exactly this is why Alolan forms are bad, they take up slots for totally new Pokemon and just reskin old ones in place

      • Ultron

        -insert someone saying “but it breathes life into old pokemon. I for one love it”-

        • knightwolf09

          Well it’s true

          • Ultron

            It’s also true that they’re a waste of space for new pokemon

          • knightwolf09

            Hey complain all you want mate.

          • Ultron

            Meh, there’s nothing I can do. I just hope the new pokemon can make up for the lackluster alolan forms. I’m not overly impressed at this point, especially with no dark types.

        • EarthenWarrior

          Well those lot can burned at the stake
          It’s exactly what’s happening

          But them again I thing this riddler is just some schmuck

          • knightwolf09

            You think everyone’s a schmuck

          • EarthenWarrior

            I do, schmuck

          • Ultron

            Odds are he might be. I only trust the one dolphin/snowman guy, but even then his typings have been wrong. So I wouldn’t expect it to be ice/ghost.

            As for alolan forms, I was optimistic at first but have grown to dislike them ever since the marowak and raichu batch

          • knightwolf09

            The dolphin and snowman dude never said anything about Alolan forms.

          • Ultron

            Are you sure? I’m like 90% sure he said alolan ninetails was going to be fire/fairy. Even so, he still got passimian’s type wrong.

          • knightwolf09

            That’s a completely different leaker that bought up Alolan forms. For some reason PJ lumped those leaks together and now everyone’s confused who said who.

          • Ultron

            Hm. Well I will admit I am bummed we didn’t get ground/fighting typing with passimian

          • knightwolf09

            True, that would’ve been cool.

          • EarthenWarrior

            …..it’s the only thing i want at this point……if i don’t get it this gen i’ll have to wait like 4-5 years…………;_;

          • Ultron

            And I’ve waited long enough for dark/electric. They already enjoy stomping on my dreams for a dark gym so this would be nice

          • Trusk

            Yeah, and based on my experiences with the release of past Pokemon games, Passimian is pretty much fully evolved.

      • Except they aren’t?

        • Ultron

          Surfing raichu begs to differ

        • EarthenWarrior

          if they existed before they’re reskins

          • Aqualate

            Alola formes are basically Delta Pokemon incorporated in the games. They’re not new

          • EarthenWarrior

            regardless anything that’s not 100% new isn’t winning me over
            i don’t want Alolan forms taking away slots

    • Hoennlover99

      Agreed.

      • Phatmon

        …………its so cute the avitar

    • knightwolf09

      You have no idea how hard it is to come up with so many ideas for new mons. I cut them some slack because we’re new the 1000 mark and they’re trying they’re hardest to come up with new ideas, but also don’t want past pokemon to be forgotten or unused. I don’t want to sound ungrateful for what we got.

      • Justin Espiritu

        no offense but there are a lot of species of animals, different kinds of things/objects and many myths around the world. I mean Black and White had like 150 new pokes, thats even higher than the number of gen 3. Im just used to gamefreak giving us like 100+ new pokemon each gen.

        • knightwolf09

          Hey, if any luck we’ll have 90 at a minimum.

          • Justin Espiritu

            well tad below 100 but yeah sure i’ll take 90.

        • Trusk

          I am hoping for 100+ new Pokemon and some of them would evolve from Pokemon of previous generations. I feel kinda sad that Sylveon’s the only cross-gen Pokemon they gave us in X and Y.

    • Aqualate

      It all ties in with their plan to reboot the franchise

    • qolf

      Facts. Black n White was probably my favorite. Having all new pokemon, being one of the reason

    • Lea

      Considering the fan reaction to Black and White? No, you can rest assured they will never do something like that again.

      Black 2 and White 2 were the answer to that: they took the Unova Pokédex and flooded it with older Pokémon because most people hated what they did with BW.

      X and Y followed suit with an even larger Pokédex full of even more old Pokémon.

      And considering we’ve seen there is such thing as a “Melemele Pokédex” in Alola, there is absolutely no doubt they will continue the trend.

  • Rocke

    I wonder why Gamefreak doesn’t hold contests for fans to submit Pokemon designs. I follow some extremely talented people on Instagram and there are some Deviantart artists that make designs that far surpass those that Gamefreak comes up with. I wish they would do that, that way when their we’ll runs dry they have some 10 or so fan designs they can add.

    • Yu Narukami

      There’d probably too much copyright to go through.
      Nintendo wouldn’t want another Ken Penders.

      • Trusk

        I’m afraid he’s right. I just read recently that, although they would love to use the ideas, they just currently do not have enough staff members to review the submissions.

      • Trusk

        But you know, the real reason I would submit my ideas is to inspire the designers.

  • My Neighbor Totoro

    What do the list of sprites at the bottom mean?

    • knightwolf09

      pokemon we’ve seen in trailers. one form in the line accounts for the rest of the line. starters that are seen include the rest of the three and their lines.

      • My Neighbor Totoro

        Thanks

    • DontBeMessinWithMe

      I think the faded ones might be Alolan forms

      • knightwolf09

        already said the answer

        • SomeGuy

          You are guessing as much as the rest of us.

          • knightwolf09

            Not really. I figured it out myself.

          • SomeGuy

            lmao Exactly

          • knightwolf09

            I’ll tell you what I mean. Steelix, Huntail, Lanturn, Whishcash, and Wailord are seen as boats in the docks of an island. Tyranitar, Haxorus was seen in the Battle Royal. Porygon is a blow drier in pokemon refresh. Horsea, Spheal, Lumineon, were seen on that water hotel place. Meganium was a print on a man’s shirt. Slaking is on a billboard for a motel. Electrode is one of Sophocles’ keychains. Gothorita is a shirt design.

          • SomeGuy

            I’m not saying that doesn’t make sense. I’m saying that until we know for sure, you’re guessing as much as the rest of us. Also, if this guy is supposed to be leaking information, who really cares about what Pokémon appear on clothing and have hair dryers styled after them?

            Also I like Alola Forms so I think it’d be cool to see Johto starters and the Haxorus family get them. 🙂

          • knightwolf09

            Because this isn’t a riddle. It’s only a complied list of pokemon we’ve seen, so don’t take this particular image too seriously. If anything, only pay attention to the images like the toucan and stuff cause those are the legitimate riddles. These really aren’t guesses. Bulbapedia and I have paying attention to this dude for a good couple of months.

    • Haxford

      I’m a horned serpent too! And a ravenclaw 🙂

  • DontBeMessinWithMe

    I don’t get the anime boy with the woman after Oranguru and the Toucan is cool

    • knightwolf09

      girl

      • Sunny Mahmud

        Both are girls. The one of the left is a character from the old but good anime series Darker than Black, and she is an Espur user who communicates and see’s visions with water. But her power is limited to only when she is physically touching water. Give it a watch, season 1 is a good show.
        The other I think is a well known Japanese voice actress. I’m not sure what she did or her name, but I saw her on AnimeNewsNetwork a lot with recent anime’s related to J-POP Idols so yeah.

        • Sam

          Somehow… a water type Jigglypuff comes to mind…

          • EarthenWarrior

            easy water balloon

        • ant

          i think the lady’s name is yuki which is snow in japanese

      • Sunny

        Sometimes you can’t tell in anime. But yea I think that is a girl from Darker than Black if I am not mistaken.

  • SomeGuy

    So much whining on this site. Is this a fan site or a Pokémon bashing site? Can’t tell.

    • Ultron

      Whining just means we care about the series.

      • SomeGuy

        Whining means what one’s preconceived ideas of what the series is supposed to be isn’t the same as what the people making it have decided it is and a certain level of refusal to accept that.

        • Sam

          So that means that your preconceived ideas are always neutral which leads you to no whining at all about the end results? SmartGuy*

          • knightwolf09

            Is there no better way, than to be neutral about everything?

          • Sam

            Oh no, he’s absolutely right! But it’s also fun to speculate and have expectations 🙂 I don’t think whining equals bashing.

          • SomeGuy

            I don’t have any problem any changes or additions they’ve ever made to Pokémon. I’ve always been excited or neutral. I have stated that, Arceus forbid, if they reboot Pokémon I’ll stop playing. Which is what I suggest all the people whining about Megas, Alolas, Z-Moves, etc should do. Pokémon is a source of entertainment. If there are irreconcilable changes added to the game and all it’s gonna do is upset you, stop playing.

          • Sam

            Neither have I 🙂 Been playing since I was a little girl on my pink gameboy color. Love it just as much as an adult. I agree that neutrality is the best way to go with things you really love. However, like I said I don’t think whining equals bashing but that’s just my opinion.

          • SomeGuy

            Yea I mean I’m surprised no one has gotten on me for whining about whining. lol But the reason I keep coming back on here is because I don’t have too many people to talk to about Pokémon. xD

          • knightwolf09

            I would recommend reddit, but nobody there ever listens to what you have to say for some reason.

  • Aqualate

    For those who wondered, this is what the original Chinese leaker has been right on:

    Z-Diamonds
    Pyukumuku
    Lycanroc
    Salandit
    Oricorio
    Mimikyu
    Bewear
    Gumshoos’s design
    Island Challenges

    Other stuff he’s most likely correct on are: Dolphin, snowman, Marshadow’s unique typing and the leaked starter evos names (I only remember Siren for Popplio)

  • Sunny

    Sorry because this is a little bit off-topic, but how many more announcements (Coro Coro leaks being distinct from these announcements) do you all think we have left before the game release?
    I think there will be:
    -4 announcements
    -1 Coro Coro leak with information repeated by announcements; November issue.
    -1 Coro Coro leak with its own information that is not shown in the announcements. This will be the December issue.

  • EarthenWarrior

    this was insanely weird
    last Showdown i fought this guy
    but the very next match i fought WAS THE SAME EXACT TEAM only shiny
    the same pokemon, the exact same set ups, and the exact same amount of annoying (but luckily i won) http://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/ou-442554435
    i can’t tell if it’s uncanny coincidence or that people are just getting really cookie cutter

    • Of Moose & Men

      Xtra Chirps.

  • Aqualate

    Think I found another 4chan leak guys

    I will post the names+types by dexnumber

    >#722 Menemai’a Fairy/Ground

    >#723 Rowlet Grass/Flying

    >#724 Throwler Grass/Flying

    >#725 Bowanowl Grass/Flying (Archer Owl in Sun, Rogue Owl in Moon)

    >#726 Litten Fire

    >#727 Litigre Fire

    >#728 Tigreatest Fire/Dark (Wrestler Cat in Sun, Mobster Cat in Moon)

    >#729 Popplio Water

    >#730 Sirlio Water/Fairy

    >#731 Selkio Water/Fairy (Siren in Sun, Merman in Moon)

    >#732 Pikipek Normal/Flying

    >#733 Pakapecker Normal/Flying

    >#734 Peckadrill Steel/Flying

    >#735 Grubbin Bug

    >#736 Charjabug Bug/Electric

    >#737 Vikavolt Bug/Electric

    >#738 Rockruff Rock

    >#739 Lycanroc Rock (Wolf in Sun, Werewolf in Moon)

    >#740 Komala Normal

    >#741 Narcolyptus Normal

    >#742 Yungoos Normal

    >#743 Gumshoos Normal

    >#744 Cutiefly Bug/Fairy

    >#745 Honeebee Bug/Fairy

    >#746 Togedemaru Electric/Steel

    >#747 Mimikyu Fairy/Ghost

    >#748 Mimikmii Fairy/Ghost

    >#749 Mudbray Ground

    >#750 Mudsdale Ground

    >#751 Drakid Normal/Dragon

    >#752 Drampa Normal/Dragon

    >#753 Draggone Ghost/Dragon

    >#754 Impailmint Fairy/Poison

    >#755 Dwarvour Fairy/Poison

    >#756 Bounsweet Grass

    >#757 Sweetreet Grass/Fairy

    >#758 Bounsour Poison/Ghost

    >#759 Comfey Fairy

    >#760 Fomantis Grass

    >#761 Lurantis Grass

    >#762 Stufful Normal/Fighting

    >#763 Bewear Normal/Fighting

    >#764 Passimian Fighting

    >#765 Champanzee Fighting/Ground

    >#766 Pongoru Normal

    >#767 Oranguru Normal/Psychic

    >#768 Salandit Fire/Poison

    >#769 Burnadit Fire/Poison (Female Only Evolution)

    >#770 Impailmint Fairy/Poison

    >#771 Dwarvour Fairy/Poison

    >#772 Minior Flying/Rock

    >#773 Rockateer Flying/Rock

    >#774 Oricorio (Four Forms) Fire/Flying, Electric/Flying, Ghost/Flying, Psychic/Flying

    >#775 Sandyghast Ghost/Ground

    >#776 Palossand Ghost/Ground

    >#777 Tikiki Grass

    >#778 Tikiking Fire/Grass

    >#779 Stingalil Electric/Poison

    >#780 Stingowar Electric/Poison

    >#781 Bruxish Water/Psychic

    >#782 Bruxugg Water/Psychic

    >#783 Wishiwashi Water

    >#784 Crabrawler Fighting

    >#785 Clawber Fighting/Water

    >#786 Pyukumuku Water

    >>

    >#787 Turto Fire/Dragon

    >#788 Turtonator Fire/Dragon

    >#789 Firebawl Fairy/Fire

    >#790 Impcinerator Fairy/Fire

    >#791 Misstryst Fairy/Dark

    >#792 Whipskers Normal/Steel

    >#793 Catonines Dark/Steel

    >#794 Slusha Ice/Poison

    >#795 Snowno Ice/Poison

    >#796 Morelull Grass/Fairy

    >#797 Pixilull Grass/Fairy

    >#798 Toxilull Poison/Dark

    >#799 Magehopper Bug/Psychic

    >#800 Dolphun Water/Fairy

    >#801 Pixon Fairy/Dragon

    >#802 Magix Fairy/Dragon

    >#803 Houdinee Normal/Ghost

    >#804 Lightup Fire/Electric

    >#805 Lampurn Fire/Electric

    >#806 Rapturn Rock/Poison

    >#807 Velocix Rock/Poison

    >#808 Anklohm Rock/Electric

    >#809 Anklohmode Rock/Electric

    >#810 Wimpod Bug/Water

    >#811 Shrimpod Bug/Water

    >#812 Champod Water/Flying

    >#813 Type: Null Normal

    >#814 Tapu Ahihi Fire/Fairy

    >#815 Tapu Koko Electric/Fairy

    >#816 Tapu Mana’o Psychic/Fairy

    >#817 Tapu Hane Ghost/Fairy

    >#818 Jangmo’o Dragon

    >#819 Daimo’o Dragon/Fight

    >#820 Shango’o Dragon/Fight

    >#821 Eclipsle Psychic/Dark (Evolves into Solgaleo in Sun, Lunala in Moon)

    >#822 Solgaleo Psychic/Steel

    >#823 Lunala Dark/Ghost

    >#824 Marshadow Poison/Psychic

    >#825 Magearna Steel/Fairy

    >#826 Manticull Dark/Bug

    >#827 Toa-Gro Fairy/Psychic

    >#828 Toa-Cho Fairy/Bug

    >#829 Toa-Ko Fairy/Fighting

    • EarthenWarrior

      this is wrong
      they repeat a name

      • Aqualate

        Stop crying, there’s a Fighting/Ground Champanzee. You got what you wanted

        • EarthenWarrior

          you shut your lies
          >#754 Impailmint Fairy/Poison

          >#755 Dwarvour Fairy/Poison
          then at
          >#770 Impailmint Fairy/Poison

          >#771 Dwarvour Fairy/Poison

          this list is a flim flam A FLIM FLAM I SAY

          • Aqualate

            Fairy/Poison tho 😉

          • EarthenWarrior

            doesn’t matter, this least is a fake, it would’ve sounded believable but that slip up cost their credibility

          • Aqualate

            You want your Ground/Fighting monkey though. DONT DENY IT

          • EarthenWarrior

            i want one BUT ITS NOT REAL

      • Aqualate

        Ehh just noticed that Drampa’s supposed final evo changes primary typing. Thats impossible

        • EarthenWarrior

          well…..that’s not entirely unheard of

      • knightwolf09

        I don’t buy it either

    • Ultron

      Evolving legendaries? BYE

      • Aqualate

        But, but DARK/BUG!!!!! DRAGON/FIGHTING!! FIRE/ELECTRIC!!! POISON/PSYCHIC!!! I WANT THEM ALL

        • EarthenWarrior

          *Grim and somber* you’ve been lied to, get over it

        • Ultron

          But this is so obviously fake. Wimpod drops its primary typing during the third stage? That won’t happen.

          • Aqualate

            Drampa’s third evo is Ghost/Dragon while the other two are Normal/Dragon. I never said it was real either, but people want stuff like this cause they love speculation 😉

          • Ultron

            It’s sad though that fake leakers can’t even make plausible fakedex leaks anymore. It would’ve been really easy to make this more believable.

          • knightwolf09

            Drampa to Dragone. Old man to ghost…he dies

          • Aqualate

            Yes but I don’t recall any Pokemon changing its primary typing after evolving

          • EarthenWarrior

            as i hate to say i must be correct
            Onix
            Azuril
            Swablu
            and Fletchling

          • Aqualate

            I dont consider any of those things Pokemon. They are abominations. Fletchling line shittest attempt at copying Charmander line

          • EarthenWarrior

            you sir are an ignorant ignoramus

          • Aqualate

            I want Steelix now

          • EarthenWarrior

            then go round up a nice Onix and slap on a Metal Coat

          • Phatmon

            Would’nt it be copying Moltres as well

          • Ultron

            Fletchling is the first regional bird that’s not normal/flying though, so that one doesn’t really count to me. Wimpod’s is also suggesting its secondary typing becomes its primary typing. So it drops its primary bug and switches it to water. Not gonna happen ever

          • knightwolf09

            Actually Fletchling did start off as Normal/Flying, only when it becomes Fletchinder does it become Fire/Flying.

          • Ultron

            I meant normal/flying when it’s fully evolved.

          • knightwolf09

            I still removed it’s primary typing so that still counts.

          • Ultron

            That concept is horrible and GF would not do that.

          • knightwolf09

            Pokemon created from dead children.

          • Ultron

            But this would be like an old man actually dying. Also, if they were gonna do that, they would’ve planned from the beginning and made normal its secondary typing.

          • knightwolf09

            Earthen already mentioned. It has happened before on few pokemon

          • Of Moose & Men

            I mean, a Pokemon wears the skull of its dead mother. . .

            This is far from morbid.

          • Aqualate

            Phantump is literally a dead child who inhabits a tree stump

          • Ultron

            But this is literally an old man dying when he evolves.

          • Aqualate

            Yeah it sounds really awful, but I wouldn’t be opposed to such a Pokemon tbh. We need new stuff, new evolution methods also.

          • AlolanSandschrew

            Always look at drampa like a standalone poke. Mmm.. don’t know…

            Well I tried: nope.. drampa is still standalone.

          • Aqualate

            Ehh I kind of think Drampa has an evolutionary line, maybe one more or a pre-evo

        • Trusk

          I wish for a Fire/Grass-type tiki Pokemon that evolves twice.

      • Aqualate

        I do remember a 4chan leak mentioning Fire/Grass tiki, so who knows.

    • AlolanSandschrew

      Tigreatest, serious? Shout out to my girl Sia 😉

      • EarthenWarrior

        for some reason Bender comes to mind

        • AlolanSandschrew

          haha, I’m hearing “I’m free to be the greatest, I’m alive
          I’m free to be the greatest here tonight, the greatest
          The greatest, the greatest alive
          The greatest, the greatest alive” in my head xD

          But for real, if this is true it’s the worst pokemon name ever.

          • EarthenWarrior

            i still like mine Heatigre

          • AlolanSandschrew

            Beltigre wasn’t that bad either, but I prefer Heatigre yes.

            Sirlio sounds about right for a popplio evo though

          • EarthenWarrior

            i just hope its Fire/Fighting at least that’s something to look forward to
            Fire/Dark…..mehhhh

          • AlolanSandschrew

            ur probably the only one hoping for another fire fighting starter poke

          • knightwolf09

            I like how you’re the opposite of everybody XD

          • EarthenWarrior

            i don’t follow the crowd

    • zess

      Selkio Water/Fairy (Siren in Sun, Merman in Moon) I feel like this should be determined by gender. Also if this (RF) is poplios final evolution I’m hoping for a more masculine counterpart. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/2075a507068cb1647dffc7ffb608814b32336f12298ae575b193d5bdf79524e0.jpg

    • DefensiveBastiodon

      Lol these names are as bad as a lot of Yokai names. Tigreatest? Bowanowl? IMPAILMINT

      • knightwolf09

        Actually a long time ago I came up with the name Bowanowl when I first saw the Rowlet evo. I thought it was cool.

        • DefensiveBastiodon

          I’d rather Robinhoot or something. Bowanowl is too much of a pun and it is a mouthful.

      • ItsYaBoy EastGuzma

        Narcolyptus sounds annoying to say

        • DefensiveBastiodon

          It’s fun to say but I don’t like that name either

          • ItsYaBoy EastGuzma

            Puns are taking over Firebawl XD

          • ItsYaBoy EastGuzma

            BRUXUGGGGGGG XD

      • Yu Narukami

        Why you dissing on Yokai names?
        Besides, Pokemon was doing puns way before YW.

        • DefensiveBastiodon

          Yes, pokemon had puns before Yokai, but Yokai are literally ALL puns. I love Yokai Watch though

    • ItsYaBoy EastGuzma

      wheres 722?

      • Aqualate

        Oblivion

    • ItsYaBoy EastGuzma

      why is lunala a dark/ghost lol isnt it psychic/ghost

    • Trusk

      Don’t mean to criticize ya, but Passimian looks like a fully evolved Pokemon.

    • temporario23

      Yeah, except Rowlet was already confirmed to be #722.

    • belmad

      Wimpod Bug/Water
      Shrimpod Bug/Water
      Champod Water/Flying

      Those are the names from the fake pokedex leak

    • AlolanSandschrew

      u have the 4chan link?

  • EarthenWarrior

    so later today i wanted to work on my Normal/Rock Mountain goat Precibex but it needs a prevo
    i was going to name it Rockid or Rukid but i think that’s too obvious what do y’all think

  • Aqualate

    No Litten evo wont be Fire/Fighting. Sulfur symbol on its head=Fire/Ground

  • knightwolf09

    Actual translation from concept art.

    1. Has a wild and gusty persona
    2. Fights dirty- spits ember in its opponents face, isn’t above using unconventional items or means, uses Fire Spin from its belt.
    4. Has a signature move called BeastTiger Swing???
    5. That Belt gets hotter the more “passionate” it is

    Key: Fights dirty- spits ember in its opponents face, isn’t above using unconventional items or means

    Dark types are mostly associated with sinnister or cheating means. Even it’s face looks sinnister

    So I’m pretty sure that’s Dark type.

    • EarthenWarrior

      now i’m starting to think Heatigre is the perfect partner for me

      • knightwolf09

        I keep telling everybody it’s a cool pokemon. It’s one that’s not goody goody for once.

        • I’ve been of the opinion it’s a great looking-Pokémon from the start. Easily better than the other two.

          • PokeVeteran

            So we all agree? Team Litten!

          • knightwolf09

            Now and forever.

          • EarthenWarrior

            i just love the fire belt
            its ingenious

        • ItsYaBoy EastGuzma

          its a good design because it takes characteristics from its first stage just adding on to it and making use of its design more. flaming hairballs now become a ember shot to throw off foes? Litten’s oil in its fur is now like a way for it to do moves way more cheater like. etc its better then just making a bigger 4 legged cat.

          • knightwolf09

            Oh wait, I just remembered. Oiled up fur, like the cheating method wrestlers used to not be grabbed on.

          • ItsYaBoy EastGuzma

            yep! it takes things from its first form and adds on it to it, which i love.

      • Aqualate

        Fire/Dark never happening. Already commented below what its gonna be

        • I believe the leaker already said it’s Fire/Dark.

        • knightwolf09

          what part of that thing even relates to Ground?

          • Aqualate

            The sulfur symbol on Litten’s head…

          • knightwolf09

            You do know sulphur is also realted to brimstone, which is depicted as bad things. Espcially the symbol which is used by satanists. Dark type.

          • EarthenWarrior

            actually correction
            Sulfur IS brimstone
            they called sulfur brimstone in the early days but changed it to sulfur

          • Aqualate

            That would work, if Popplio and Rowlet didn’t also represent alchemy symbols. Too bad

          • Aqualate

            And of course Rowlet.

          • knightwolf09

            Actually Siren standing up and singing still resembles the mercury symbol. And Archer, is hard to see but the salt symbol is in his eyes, the circular glasses along with his half closed eyes resemble the salt symbol.

          • ItsYaBoy EastGuzma

            Salt Glasses for 4chan?

          • Aqualate

            Rowlet is literally the alchemy symbol for salt. You must be blind if you don’t see that

          • ItsYaBoy EastGuzma

            he said it was salt tho?

          • knightwolf09

            Yeah, I did, but that symbol still stays on it.

        • ItsYaBoy EastGuzma

          how can u say that? do you work for gamefreak? Fire/Dark suits this thing more and has more credible then one symbol

        • DefensiveBastiodon

          Your comment has Fire/Dark listed though?

          • ItsYaBoy EastGuzma

            that was a “leak” list from 4-chan.

          • DefensiveBastiodon

            That’s where most of this crap is coming from lol

          • ItsYaBoy EastGuzma

            it skips 722 too lol

    • ItsYaBoy EastGuzma

      its funny it took till the leak evolution to make me love litten and actually switch out rowlet and put litten as my starter

    • TheReece25

      what are the other two’s translations tho!?

      • knightwolf09

        Rowlet evo

        1. Has a calmcool persona
        2. Tightens its hood when its upset or irritated
        3. Uses its quills as arrows and vines as the string.
        4. Its difficult to notice which helps it ambush foes
        5, Likes to relax on Tree branches.

        Popplio evo

        1. Uses its voice to charm and or lure opponents
        2. Has a elegant and welcoming nature
        3. Is very playful

        • ItsYaBoy EastGuzma

          honestly if rowlet was a eagle, would of been such a great reference to assassin creed lol

          • Aqualate

            Gen 8 Italian Renaissance region confirmed

  • ItsYaBoy EastGuzma

    IDK why but honestly i can see ash catching Litten’s final evo instead of evolving a litten to its final. like I could honestly see another charizard type where it doesn’t listen instead of sleeping it just literally just does what it wants and does it own attacks recklessly

    • Aqualate

      No

      • ItsYaBoy EastGuzma

        yes i can think what i want.

        • Aqualate

          Ash doesn’t need another Charizard wannabe with a sad backstory. He already has Infernape, Pignite and Greninja for that.

          • Aqualate

            Although Greninja will be gone very soon

          • ItsYaBoy EastGuzma

            did i say sad backstory no? I said it will be like charizard and not listen to ash.

  • CoolGlaceon

    Jangmo-o’s soooo turning into a part Steel-type. They’re touting this thing as a Fairy killer and with Soundproof, ain’t no Pixilate boosted Hyper Voice is touching it. Also the fact that it uses its scales for both defense and offense just screams Aegislash.

    • ItsYaBoy EastGuzma

      people think water. people think pure dragon, people think steel, i think it will become a dragon/dragon 😉

      • Aqualate

        Dragon/Steel or Dragon/Water

      • EarthenWarrior

        Water? surely yous jestin

        • ItsYaBoy EastGuzma

          not jesting, im on steel/dragon

        • Aqualate

          Hawaiian dragons live in the water. Basic stuff

          • ItsYaBoy EastGuzma

            i mean there can still be a water/dragon pokemon in alola if it isnt jangmo-o

      • rhomba

        I can remember the arguments over Haxorus’ typing in the days of Black/ White leaks.

  • Trusk

    Thank god! I always wanted to catch and train UB-01! Maybe they will have have alternate names, fitting for legendary Pokemon! UB-01 would have the name Meduzys. Twilit Pokemon.

    • ant

      yeah! ub-01 is strangely cute hahaha. i love sea jellies tho. but yeah i still think we will be able to catch them

  • knightwolf09

    I can imagine this response from Popplio’s evolution in the future

    • EarthenWarrior

      i loves Fosters

  • Trusk

    I am so praying that the leak about the Ultra Beasts is confirmed!

    • Aqualate

      Eeew no they are disgusting

      • Trusk

        Tsk tsk tsk. Look Aqualate, I am entitled to my own opinion.

    • knightwolf09

      What leak?

    • ItsYaBoy EastGuzma

      i was hoping they would be simply bosses. like how ghost marowak was in R/B/Y.

      • Trusk

        Well, only because that individual Marowak was a special case, man.

      • Aqualate

        Very challenging bosses hopefully. Games need more challenge

  • Aqualate

    Lmao there’s still people out there crying about Solgaleo’s Steel typing. Uneducated af

    • ItsYaBoy EastGuzma

      i mean some people might not just understand the reasoning , doesn’t mean they are uneducated lol

    • EarthenWarrior

      i thought it was a living meteor

      • ItsYaBoy EastGuzma

        ur a living meteor whos immortal and has abilitly to control the ground and the darkness that surrounds your heart

        • EarthenWarrior

          tell me something i don’t know

      • Aqualate

        Its the green lion (not literally green in this case) in alchemy that devours the sun to create Gold.

  • CoolGlaceon

    Have they revealed any city/town names yet?

    • ItsYaBoy EastGuzma

      nope just islands

      • CoolGlaceon

        Huh, interesting

  • Haxford
  • Shady
    • Aqualate

      I expect that to be the scene where he meets them for the first time

    • ItsYaBoy EastGuzma

      this totally happens after the bewear scene.

  • Mr.M

    Is this real or fake?

    • knightwolf09

      Real sir.

      • EarthenWarrior

        hold up what

        • Aqualate

          All of his previous riddles turned out true

          • EarthenWarrior

            he really didn’t predict things he’s just listing what might be truth
            he has zero info on what’s coming just blank slots

          • MelloMori

            They’ve been posting information weeks if not months ahead so vaguely hinted that you know that they have had to scene the images to claim what they post is real. Like havING a picture of a shovel superimposed on a picture of a beach for palisades or having a game or ro sham bo + a picture of a heart for pyukumuku. At this point we know the riddlers info is real beyond a shadow of a doubt.

          • Aqualate

            Thats the purpose of riddles..

          • MelloMori

            I realize that. I simply meant that earthen seemed to imply that they were lucky guesses when we know for a fact that these leaks are real.

          • EarthenWarrior

            the only thing that is semi-real is the Chinese leaker who said the sea cucumber, rugby monkey and mushroom

            anybody else is a faker

          • MelloMori

            And this leaker had listed the starters, legendaries, team skull, multiple pokemon including the ones you mentioned there and a loan forms sometimes months before their reveal. They are real earthen.

          • EarthenWarrior

            when did he say any of that, i want links

          • MelloMori

            I’ll track them down later. On my phone right now at work and on my lunch, so kid of limited, but I’ll send you some links later tonight.

          • EarthenWarrior

            suuuure

          • knightwolf09

            We got them all on bulbagarden.

          • Aqualate

            LINK ME NOW

          • knightwolf09
          • Aqualate
          • EarthenWarrior

            i only believe the chinese leaker

          • EarthenWarrior

            i don’t believe anything

          • Aqualate

            You do realise that the original leaks are real? Everything it mentioned came out true

          • MelloMori

            I don’t see why man. We know the info is good. Why question it?

          • EarthenWarrior

            because believing anything without solid proof is stupid

          • Cosimo

            Me either. I don’t think this is accurate.

  • CoolGlaceon

    Complete Zygarde is so cool. I can’t wait to use it in Sun and Moon.

  • Cosimo

    Okay, so I’m still not fully sold on all this… I still feel there is a second Cutiefly evolution which the leak doesn’t account for. It would be cool to get a Toucan though. Also, I think there will be a lot more new Pokemon than this accounts for. Guess we will just have to wait and see. Plus… There is the whole starter and Rockruff thing that I don’t see here.

    • MelloMori

      One thing to remember is the leaker posts the info they have, not what exists. Many people assume komala has an evo, but one isn’t listed simply because they don’t know about it. In the case of cutiefly we know only of this evo from the Japanese trailer. We’ve never seen its dex entry, so we don’t know how many evolutions it would have. Also remember that rock ruff share a secret, but that doesn’t meen it’s split forms. It could really be anything, though most likely Z moves

      • Cosimo

        So then, the leaker is just posting things that already comes out…

        • Aqualate

          This guy isn’t a leaker, he posts riddles of things thats coming. Like how he posted a shovel in a body of sand to tease the Pallossand line

          • Cosimo

            I just don’t believe it until it’s official. Then I’ll believe it.

          • Sunny

            He/She has been on point with his/her riddles on 7 different occasions with the first one being the reveal of the sun and moon legendaries in June. I think he is the most credible leaker this entire pre-release season. These riddle leaks of his are only of stuff coming in the near future. He isn’t posting stuff that has already come out. What he has put up in this list is what is officially confirmed plus the stuff in the near future. If an evolution isn’t confirmed (starter’s mid-evo and Pikipek’s Eco during the E3) than it will not be on this list. Any of the Pokemon like Salandit that are on the list by themselves could still evolve even though there is not question mark next to them. It is just not 100% official to the general public of Pokefans. I hope I was clear with my interpretation of his riddles and that this long reply wasn’t to bothersome of a read.

          • belmad

            Internal organs+fists thing was mind-blowing.

          • Trusk

            I’m on your side. Until it’s official, I’ll continue to believe that Ultra Beasts are actual legendary Pokemon.

  • Richard Haslam

    so Split evolution is not the starter’s secret they share with Rockruff.

    What a relief! I would’ve ended up getting two games if that would’ve been the case.

    I’m just waiting until Bank has been updated.

    (Just hope it’s not Japanese exclusive like ”My Pokemon Ranch: Platinum Compatable”)

    • George Costas

      apparently it might not be a secret they share with rockruff, they just also have a secret… according to a post on tumblr it’s a misinterpetation.

      • Richard Haslam

        most likely. I’m just waiting to get my Robin Hood Owl

  • LinksDaydream

    Whats with the sprites at the bottom? Why are some greyed out?

    • Aqualate

      The sprites on the bottom are the Pokemon we’ve seen so far in every (gameplay) trailer

  • Richard Haslam

    can anyone explaine to me of who those japanese characters are (anime/live action)

    • MelloMori

      I’ve forgotten their names but the real woman is named yuki, which implies an ice pokemon, and the anime character is a doll named yin I think. So ice doll pokemon I guess?

      • Richard Haslam

        So the Snowman Pokemon is that then

      • Aqualate

        Would an Ice/Ghost typing apply to an ice doll? Idk but snowman is what the original leaker mentioned

        • EarthenWarrior

          i see a icy spirit pokemon that uses mounds of snow to protect its body from the heat

  • SomeGuy

    What culture/geographic area would you all want a future gen to be based off of? Personally I’d really dig a Pakistani/Indian inspired region. I’m a huge Ms Marvel fan and I’ve had 2 Indian professors and worked under an Indian accounting controller and I’ve become quite infatuated with that area of the world. I like their aesthetics.

    • EarthenWarrior

      Russia

    • Aqualate

      Australia, South Africa, India, Brazil, Canada, Croatia, Russia and Italy

    • Richard Haslam

      fat chance! I’ve already know of which regio is based on which just simply based on certain Pokemon found for when their remake comes out.

      It’ll be Rio for South America, Hong Kong for Asia, Sydney for Australasia, Jerusalem for the Middle East and Cape Town in Africa.

      Though the settings maybe different when the locations for the next pokemon games come out. But when you think about it, we’ve already got Japan, North America, Europe and the Oceanic.

      • Aqualate

        This dude always thinks he’s a know-it-all

      • Leo

        Rio would be cool, I wonder what kind of pokemon we’d find in the favelas

        • Trusk

          I think Africa should be the inspiration for the region of Generation VIII. At least the island of Madagascar.

          • Leo

            Nah. We’re already getting an island region, another one would be too much for the next gen. They could though create an area in the region based on madagascar with the baobad trees. Brazil has so much more to offer in terms of landscape and different ecosystems. Rio is amazing when it comes to nature (the hills are beautiful), then there’s the amazon forest, the amazing beaches in the northeast + sand dunes (lencois maranhenses) +some desert parts. The south is colder so we could find snow there in the games.

      • SomeGuy

        Really confused as to what exactly you’re saying for those first two paragraphs, but yes Japan, USA, Western Europe, and now Pacific Asia + Hawaii have all been used for inspiration for a region. In Japan’s case 2 (4 if you count Hoenn & Sinnoh, to me they felt more ambiguous as far as real world inspirations go.) I don’t necessarily feel like India/Pakistan are too much of a fat chance if they are going to continue on with real world inspired regions. At some point I feel like most of Earth will be utilized.

    • belmad

      Maybe a cold region or a region with lots of history.

      • SomeGuy

        That’d be cool! But I can’t help but feel like Platinum version is exactly that.

    • Poketard101

      I want them to hurry up and do an CANADIAN based Region. (Seeing as I am an Canadian. And Canada would have so much to offer for a Pokemon Region.) I have my own region, and a whole bunch of fakemons that I’ve been making since I was in elementary school, and its based on Canada.

  • TheRSigma
    • Cosimo

      It looks the same…

  • Aqualate

    -UB aren’t catchable. They are the true enemies in the story.

    >-Lillie’s mother (Lusamine) studies hyperspatial pokemon (UB)

    >-Lillie It’s involved in the plot. She and UB merge in the climax.

    >-Alola have 3 professors, Lusamine studies hyperspacial pokemon, Oak studies alolan formes, Kukui studies Z power (Z moves and Z forms, which are induced by Z moves)

    >-Chinese starters are real. Grass/Flying, Fire/Dark, Water/Fairy. No split evos

    >-Chespin, Fennekin, Froakie, Rockruff, Rowlet, Litten and Popplio have Z forms in their final evos

    >-Jangmo-o is the pseudo

    >-Alolan Fearow, Nidos, Golduck, Golem, Rapidash, Muk, Weesing

    >-A new pokemon can evolve in Solgaleo or Lunala by a special method

    >-Marshadow is Ghost/Fighting

    >-No new megas

    >-No PWT in Alola.

    >-Battle Frontier come back

    >-New dolphin pokemon, pure Water. Evolve in Water/Dragon

    >-Rugby gorilla is Ground/Fighting

    >-Comfey evo is humanoid. Their loop is in their waist now.

    >-Boundsweet evo is paprika-like. Grass//Fire

    >-Morelull evo is a larger Morelulll. Type and ability are the same

    >-Salandit evo. Type and ability same

    >-Wimpod is the new Magikarp. Same type, change ability to Unnerve or Pressure

    • Trusk

      Lusamine? Lillie’s mom? Yeah, right! Some of these bits of information you do not even know. Especially the part about the UB…

      • Aqualate

        Dude its not mine so piss off

        • Trusk

          Watch your mouth, kolihead!

        • Trusk

          If it ain’t yours then who’s is it? You know you shouldn’t always bring your hopes up and wait for it to be true.

          • Aqualate

            Its from a Chinese leaker and it was posted by the riddler dude who teased Pokemon like Pyukumuku and the Pallossand line so I’m not going to immediately disregard it.

          • Watch your language, please.

          • Trusk

            Yeah, that post may have been a couple of weeks before this, kolihead…

      • knightwolf09

        Funny thing, in the japanes trailer, Hau actually brings up how he’s surprised how young she looks. People don’t say that unless they’re older than they look.

      • Aqualate

        How old is Lillie? 10? Lusamine 27-28-ish. She could be her mother lol. They are definitely related. Or is it just a coincedence that Lillie, Lusamine and Gladion all have blonde hair and green eyes?

        • Trusk

          Sounds like someone forgot about Mendel’s Punnett squares.

          • Aqualate

            I don’t know what that is and neither does Game Freak. Pretty L to even try to rule out the possibility of them being related. Its blatantly obvious

          • Trusk

            You never took science?! Besides it could be a coincidence like you said.

          • Aqualate

            No it isn’t but you can believe what you want

      • Lusamine is totally her mom

        • Trusk

          You again?

      • ItsYaBoy EastGuzma

        Pokemon wouldnt make characters look alike with similar features and not be related

    • knightwolf09

      Yeah, this was stuff that was that the riddler found on 4chan bust says he bought this up for a reason, but can’t say why yet.

      • Sunny

        It could be that one of the things this leaker said just happened to be right so the riddler put it up.

        • knightwolf09

          Exactly, but the real question is, Which one is true?

          • Sunny

            Probably a Pokemon, because that has been what his riddles have been about-new Pokemon reveals.

          • knightwolf09

            He did stuff involving characters and plot too.

          • Sunny

            Sorry I didn’t know that. What did he reveal on that?

          • knightwolf09

            Aether, some of the professors, and even team skull.

          • Aqualate

            He posted a cloth with a skeleton print on it to tease Team Skull

          • Aqualate

            He also hinted at Hala being a Kahuna (Alola equalivent of elite 4 I would assume)

      • Aqualate

        If its posted by the riddler I think there might be some truth to it tbh

    • Ultron

      Why would there be a rugby gorilla..?

      • Aqualate

        Why are there thrashbag Pokemon?

        • Sunny

          If our sludge can be sentient so must our trash…and our ice cream.

          • Aqualate

            Poison/Ice needed

      • Aqualate

        Oh and could be that the Rugby gorilla is Passimian’s evolution?

        • Ultron

          But he would’ve said evo like the others

          • Aqualate

            Well the leaker isn’t 100% accurate obviously, they were wrong on Alola Ninetales typing

          • Sunny

            That was the other leaker.

          • Trusk

            Well, that means there should be no Pokemon that could even evolve into a legendary. Plus, if I could actually put Wimpod’s Wimp Out to good use (give it a focus sash so it can withstand supereffective attacks), how would whoever wrote that crud know it would be the “new Magikarp”. Kolihead…

    • The Last Kurusu

      False Fearow can’t be Alolan it’s shown in gameplay Spearow and Fearow have no Alolan (Everytime we saw Tapu Koko)

      • Aqualate

        Just because one thing might be false, doesn’t mean the whole leak is false. Welcome to 2016

        • Trusk

          At least you are right about one thing…

          • Aqualate

            Dude I dont know who you are and I couldn’t care less either. I never interacted with you before, so literally don’t ever appear on my posts again or get blocked so that you can purposely troll somebody else. Kthx bb gg

        • ItsYaBoy EastGuzma

          one thing we can agree on, leakers usually throw in BS to make the leaks look cooler and more exciting and to throw people off. The smashboards leaks for smash was one of them

          • Pharap

            If they’re genuine, they don’t need to, putting fake stuff in is just pathetic attention seeking.

    • ItsYaBoy EastGuzma

      you got this from the Riddler, he did say some of the stuff is true some isnt but keep a eye on this one

    • Pharap

      “>-Rugby gorilla is Ground/Fighting”
      Anyone else see a problem here?

  • knightwolf09

    If you want a list about Alola forms from the Riddler, here’s one he made about pokemon that could get forms.

    https://i.imgur.com/f1P42Sd.png

    • Trusk

      No offense, but I think this “Riddler” person may have made a tiny mess in that picture…

      • knightwolf09

        The ones scratched out are ones guaranteed to not have Alolan forms.

        • Trusk

          What I mean is that only Marowak has an Alolan form, not its pre-evolved form as well (same goes for Exeggcute and Exeggutor). And Hitmonlee cannot have two pre-evos at once.

          • knightwolf09

            He’s only accounting those with the form and the ones related to said form. Which mean the whole line gets circled if at least one has the form.

          • ItsYaBoy EastGuzma

            if u look at the color listing it says Alolan Form (atleast one in the family)

          • ItsYaBoy EastGuzma

            hitmonlee has the colors for split and pre evo in future gen

      • Aqualate

        The scratched out ones wont get Alola formes and the ones that dont may possibly get one.

    • Sunny

      I can’t see the image’s text that well. What do the varying shades of blue in the bottom left corner indicate?

      • ItsYaBoy EastGuzma

        Future gen evo
        Future gen Split evo
        Future gen Pre evo

        • Ultron

          What does that even mean

          • ItsYaBoy EastGuzma

            Future gen evo (Kingdra Sizor)
            Future Split Evo ( Hitmontop Politoed)
            Future Pre Evo (Pichu, Smoochum)

      • knightwolf09

        Deep Blue: Future gen evo

        Sky Blue: Future gen sideways evo

        Light Blue: Future gen pre-evo

    • joker901

      Wasn’t Butterfree supposed to get an Alola form?

      • The Last Kurusu

        Yes it said so

        • ItsYaBoy EastGuzma

          that list was only made after the alolan forms came out, it wasnt from the same chinese leaker

    • ItsYaBoy EastGuzma

      so the ones that arent like affected by the lines means they could get ones?

      • knightwolf09

        Yes.

        • ItsYaBoy EastGuzma

          ok making sure i was confused, parasect was seen already in-game tho. I would love to see seel get one tho

          • knightwolf09

            Keep an eye out in future trailers though. If one of these left are seen in the trailers, you can cross those out of the list. So far ones proven to not be the case is Parasect and Chansey.

          • ItsYaBoy EastGuzma

            I mean i’ve noticed most of the pokemon from that leaked alolan list is crossed out

          • knightwolf09

            Yup. Only survivors are the Nidos and Doduo line,

          • ItsYaBoy EastGuzma

            i wouldnt mind dodou line getting one, i dont know how fighting would work lol. do they grow big meaty bird fist?

          • knightwolf09

            Maybe it becomes kicker type of fighter.

          • ItsYaBoy EastGuzma

            that be pretty cool actually

          • Pharap
    • Pharap

      Looks like it had some mistakes that got corrected.

      • knightwolf09

        What do you mean?

        • Pharap

          All the crossed out stuff and the lack of rings around Rattata and Raticate look like predictions that didn’t come true and unpredicted stuff.

          • knightwolf09

            Oh, Ratta and Raticate din’t get circled because the whole line was revealed to have Alola forms. Guess he didn’t do the same for Meowth and Persian because Alolan Persian hasn’t been revealed yet.

          • Pharap

            All these excuses sound to me like “I didn’t know, but I’ll pretend I did”.

          • FairiesInferno

            No point arguing tbh we know riddler is nonsense but making others believe it is a waste of time

          • knightwolf09

            He never made an excuse.

  • Exeledus

    … Popplio it is then! sorry litten!

  • Exeledus

    there’s a toucan here. Didn’t gamexplain’s video mention seeing a toucan on one of the shirts, which they said could be a pokemon seems how all the creatures on every shirt so far are pokemon?

    • DefensiveBastiodon

      People were talking about the Toucan before Gamexplain said anything about it. Just fyi

    • ItsYaBoy EastGuzma

      gamexplain i started to dislike their analysis videos because they say some dumb stuff or stuff we already know….

  • The Last Kurusu

    Still at school saw this thought hmmm what about any other Pokemon to be seen or the Guardians?

  • belmad

    I hope it’s true :O

    “Blue koala-like alien standing around three feet tall. He has large rabbit-like ears (with asymmetrical notches on the outer rims of each ear; one near the tip of his right ear, one near the base of his left ear), a wide mouth, a round nose, black eyes, a small, short, stumpy tail; three tufts of fur on top of his head and on his chest, four arms (two of which are usually retracted), three retractable spines that run down his back, sharp retractable claws on his front and back paws and two retractable antennae on his head. He has a limited ability to change his physical appearance, as he can retract his second set of arms, his claws, his antennae and the three spines on his back into his body.”

  • Chaos

    So this time round we have the same amount if Pokemon as XY, but including all the Alolan and UBs? Also there’s only one Island Guardian? Hmmm…interesting.

    The only thing I like about this is that Jangmo-o isn’t the Pseudo legendary.
    The rest is all crap and probably a load of bullshit.

    • belmad

      I don’t think this chart is meant to represent whole Pokedex.

      • Pharap

        Why not if this guy is supposed to be so omnipotent?
        He’s already supposedly leaking the old gen pokemon that will appear.

      • Pharap

        Also the koala alien thing is Sitch from Lilo & Stitch.

  • qolf

    Am I the only one who doesn’t like this? I haven’t been fully focused on it and observing, but to me it looks like he just updates it as more informationg gets figured out. If im not mistaken, the first couple times, he didn’t even have Turtonator or a couple other pokemon on the chart until they were revealed. And he didn’t have cutiefly’s evolution on there either at that time. There weren’t even “?” for them. Idk shii sketchy to me. And there better be a lot more new pokemon than he shows on there smh

    • Chaos

      Same. I think it’s a load of crap.

    • Pharap

      I’m glad I’m not the only one.
      I’ve been saying I don’t trust the Riddler ever since the first time he missed out Cutiefly’s evo.

    • Cosimo

      Exactly!

    • ItsYaBoy EastGuzma

      this is the reason why he so credible
      http://i.imgur.com/qOFT1Gv.jpg

      • ItsYaBoy EastGuzma

        these were his profile pics and pokemon on his list rumors

      • ItsYaBoy EastGuzma

        also nobody remembers this but before the starters were shown his profile pic was a Stuffed Owl,Cat and Sea Lion

        • Aqualate

          He did more than just that. He posted a cloth with skeleton print because Team Skull for example

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      • qolf

        Enlighten me on how tf rock,paper,scissors, and innards has anything to do with Pyukumuku, cuz i ont get that part lol. I mean I can’t front, hes been right on some things. But I don’t think he knows everything, and is a little ahead of himself. Theres gotta be more pokemon than just in that chart.

        • Aqualate

          Its a picture of inner organs and a couple of fists. Literally how Pyukumuku fights, by using its inner organs to hit opponents.

        • Rocke

          as stated before i think in other pictures he hasn’t had things like Cutieflys evo. but his pictures foreshadowing the pokemon that he does know about have been accurate. that means that there could easily be more pokemon but you do have to remember that at some point they have to reveal the final starter evos and we’re basically a month away and possibly 2-3 more reveals from the “last reveal” before release. we could easily almost be done with there being “more pokemon” unless they flat out don’t reveal half of it before release

      • PikaThePandaMan

        The tiki head that says one of the tapu family, I bet its called Tapu Tiki… just sounds right

    • Aqualate

      He teased:
      Team Skull
      Pyukumuku
      Pallossand line
      Passimian
      Oranguru
      UB-01
      Tapu-Koko
      Mimikyu
      Version mascots

      So in your head, because he forgot Cutiefly’s evolution means he has zero credibility? How long till people start to realise that it is 2016 and leaks are very much a common thing because of internet and social media? Leaks happen, even with Pokemon. People have to deal with it

      • Pharap

        All of those were prior to him doing the grid based thing. Ever since he hasn’t gotten anything right, he’s just made mistakes.

        • Aqualate

          No his first riddle were a picture of Litleo and Zubat on April 20th and several days later Solgaleo and Lunala were revealed.

          He has never left a clue about an already revealed pokemon

          • Pharap

            He never said anything about cutiefly’s evo until after it appeard in the trailer.

          • Aqualate

            Yes so he is/was wrong on that, but that doesn’t disregard his entire credibility. Like I said earlier, leaks are never a 100% correct, unless they are directly coming from an employee maybe.

          • belmad

            Well, it’s a bit irrelevant that she didn’t say anything about it. Maybe she didn’t not know it, or she didn’t choose to talk about it. Nevertheless she gave lots of information about all those Pokemon listed above. And she didn’t say “oh this is going to be this”. Actually her riddles are so clever that they cannot be a lucky guess.

          • Pharap

            I never said they’re lucky guesses, I’m saying they’re pretending they know more than they actually do.

            There is literally no reason to not say everything they know. Dragging it out more than necessary is just attention seeking.

          • belmad

            Actually, she isn’t doing it for any favor. If attention is what she is seeking for what she is doing, then she deserves it. Because I don’t have any people in my life that knows exlusive Pokemon stuff. But she is one of those people, and she chose to share it.

          • Aqualate

            Posting an image of inner organs and fists isn’t just a random guess lol. Thats literally what Pyukumuku does to fight.

          • Pharap

            Read what I said one more time:

            “I never said they’re lucky guesses, I’m saying they’re pretending they know more than they actually do.”

          • qolf

            “I never said they’re lucky guesses, I’m saying they’re pretending they know more than they actually do.”

            Thats how I feel. and this is off-point. But i feel like he leaves lame hints for the pokemon to be revealed. Like an anime girl and some asian girl. Wtf am i supposed to get from that? but i guess thats the point

          • Pharap

            Yeah, this is why I’m saying it’s just an attention seeking thing, he wants people to start speculating and talking about him – dancing like his little puppets.

          • qolf

            deadass ???

          • KinglyGoldenFuzzy

            Mate, just because he didn’t hint at a Cutiefly evolution, doesn’t discredit him. It’s one thing to take things with a grain of salt (which everyone should, obviously), but fact is, the ratio of correct predictions by our ol’ pals in China is heavily outweighing ones that were wrong, misinterpreted or not leaked at all. So at this point, it seems like you’re simply arguing that this source has little to no credibility because they haven’t revealed EVERYTHING. The logic there is flawed, where’s the fun in that? If I had my hands on this kind of info, I’d be leaking it out slowly too, not all at once. That’s no fun.

          • Cody Tinker

            Same here. This is actually a style I can get completely behind, as I am one for almost never giving direct answers when it comes to trivia and the like; I prefer just giving hints and having people come to the conclusions themselves.

        • ant

          literally the clues for the monkey pokemon and the tucan were on the list and theyre right

          • Pharap

            The toucan isn’t confirmed.

          • Aqualate

            Its not fake either

          • Pharap

            So far the only evidence we have of a toucan is the shirt and the riddler.

          • Aqualate

            In my experience, Game Freak never does something without a reason. I think a toucan Pokemon is very much possible, especially given the setting of the games.

          • Pharap

            A toucan pokemon is possible, but that’s literally all we’ve got.
            And the toucan on the shirt was a perfectly normal toucan.

          • ant

            its literally on one of the shirts they revealed. they arent going to put a real life animal on a shirt in pokemon

      • qolf

        When did I ever say he has 0 credibility tf? ? All I said was its not 100% believable

    • ant

      I doubt he knows everything. Or he doesnt want to get in trouble with nintendo. Like I’m sure a few of these pokemon have evolutions/preevolutions but he doesnt want to show them bc a) it could spoil the game for others b) he doesnt want to get in trouble/ possible ruin nintendos reputation

      • Pharap

        There’s no point in lying.

        And the Nintendo thing isn’t an excuse because if Nintendo knew what he’d already hinted at he’d probably be demoted or fired.

        • ant

          ah yes nintendos famous employee gsdmdqca6hy

          • Pharap

            That’s my point. He’s anonymous, he can give away everything he knows with a snap of his fingers and no reprecussions.

            If you assume that he’s not anonymous, then he’s already a target to be tracked down and punished.

      • qolf

        Yuhhhh true. But if he put “?” spots for the starters evolutions, I don’t see why he wouldn’t just do it for the others. All he had to do is put a ?, not even a hint. No way in hell all those pokemon are stand alone, with no evolutions. So I feel like he isn’t sure. Which isn’t bad, i’m just saying it takes some of his credibility away.

        • ant

          what if they dont know every single pokemon and their evo he just knows a handful. or he still wants there to be some surprise with the games. or maybe he just leaks what he knows will be announced in offical trailers.

        • Samson Liu

          Geez. That would reveal how many pokemon there is, which is, a pretty huge thing.. Although he vaguely mentioned Lunala’s dex No. But anyways, he only put a question mark if an evolution is certain, like Alolan Persian.

          I know Chinese and I’m positive that he knows everything, and he explicitly said he didn’t wanna spoil the fun for us. Also it’s obvious that he doesn’t want any trouble from Nintendo.

          Also, he posts in tieba which is kinda like a forum, AND ALL OF HIS RIDDLES ARE IN ONE POST. So we could discuss stuff through his constant updates; it’s not like ‘hey I’m leaking this’ ‘ok I’m out’. So a lot of information/images wouldn’t make sense if you’re just looking at one at a time.

    • TheSunnyMonster6893

      The Riddler has been predicting stuff since February. At this point he’s one of the most trust worthy leakers out there. I can’t remember who said it on here, but they theorized that he might be one of the trailer editors and there for has access to info that is coming in the relative future. Which makes sense to me.Either way he’s very credible and there’s no way he’s lying about anything.

      • Aqualate

        Him and the original Chinese leaker have been for like 98% correct on everything they have given us so far.

        • TheSunnyMonster6893

          Yeah at this point anything they get wrong or slightly off are just minor mistakes and/or they are trying to be misleading. Either way anyone who doubts their legitimacy are just lying to themselves lol

          • Aqualate

            I thought people would have learnt after the entire Unova pokedex was leaked like 3 or 4 months before Black and White were released. I’m not saying every leak is credible, but immediately disregarding them is just stupid in my opinion, especially in these modern times when basically everyone has internet and social media.

          • SixthSun

            I don’t recall the Unova pokedex leaking back then. Do you know any source for when that happened?

      • qolf

        I don’t think he is lying either, but I don’t think he knows as much as people assumes he does. Theres no way that all those pokemon are stand alone evolutions. Him leaving hints for the pokemon he is SURE about is fine, but why make a full chart when you don’t have full info. Its like trying to make food when you don’t have all the ingredients. I mean everybody is gonna fell how they feel about it, I was jus saying I think theres a lot more to it than he knows

        • belmad

          If the trailer editing rumour is true, then maybe the chart shows pokemon are to be revealed til game release.

        • TheSunnyMonster6893

          Again I think people need to stop thinking about the chart as an actual Pokedex. It seems more of a collection of everything he knows of rather than the actual order.

          • qolf

            U right

        • Cemitério de Mamutes

          :but why make a full chart when you don’t have full info

          Nobody never said it was a chart to a full dex and it’s obnoxious to even believe that, why would someone even think that by looking at that chart? It’s pretty obivously just listing the revealed stuff + the confirmed stuff like pikipek evos and the riddles

    • PokeVeteran

      I believe the list is compiled of things he knows and things that are released.

  • DontBeMessinWithMe
  • FairiesInferno

    Well i’m thinking this list is a load of garbage but whatever *shrugs*

    • TheSunnyMonster6893

      You sir are stuck in denial lol

      • FairiesInferno

        No i just don’t fall for lies as easy as everyone else 🙂

        • Aqualate

          This guy has literally not lied about anything. He forgot Cutiefly evolution, fair enough but he has been correct on the rest.

          • FairiesInferno

            Why can’t he give us clues to Jangmo-o evolution then?

          • ant

            just because he/she doesnt know everything about the new dex doesnt mean he/she is wrong. if i said apples were a fruit but i didnt know if tomatoes were or not does that discount that fact that i was correct about apples being a fruit?

          • Pharap

            If you didn’t know, you should leave them out of the conversation entirely.

          • ant

            it wasnt a perfect example but he hasnt said anything he doesnt know sooooooo. hes doing exactly what you said to do in that situation

          • Pharap

            No, because he put in pokemon that clearly have evolutions that he knows nothing about. If he doesn’t know any more than what’s already been revealed, he should leave them out.

          • Aqualate

            Who’s to say he won’t? Jangmo-o was revealed 2 weeks ago. There’s still 2 months till the games come out. Plenty of time left for him to leave clues

          • TheSunnyMonster6893

            Like it’s been said before. Just because knows some stuff doesn’t mean he knows everything. He may just not have any specific info on them

        • TheSunnyMonster6893

          How do you explain him being right every time he’s posted something? He’s been getting things right since before we had any real info of the games.

      • Cosimo

        I don’t believe it either.

        • TheSunnyMonster6893

          Ya’ll are crazy hahaha

  • Pharap

    There are literally only 7 things in that image that are predictions.
    -The street lamp
    -The male&female pair
    -The toucan
    -The tiki
    -The tiki’s evolutions
    -The greyed out pokemon from older generations.

    Everything else is just stuff we already know.

    And there’s stuff we’re convinced of that isn’t there, like the dolphin and snowman, not to mention there’s almost certainly more alolan forms to come (unless we’re only getting 10, which would be a pretty tiny number for a new mechanic considering we originally got 28 megas), and it’s a fair bet some of the other pokemon will evolve (e.g. Wimpod, Morelull, Jangmo-o)

    • Chaos

      I also don’t thing it was difficult to guess Lion when we already knew the name was SolgaLEO…and that Lunaala would be a winged creature of the night, but hey ho people wanna give this guy the time of day be my guest

      • Chaos

        I don’t really care much for this leaker anyway

        • Aqualate

          Next level denial here. Someone already posted an image of the things he left clues about. Its more than 16 stuff. People can choose to believe it or not, the facts are right there.

          • Chaos

            I am in denial. And I’m a massive skeptic when it comes to things like this.

            Just how I am. I’m not easily sold on news or information that lacks significant evidence…

          • Aqualate

            A leaker can’t drop ”evidence” because it may compromise his or hers position in the company. If a Game Freak employee would tomorrow leak the whole pokedex online anonymously, he’d still get in trouble eventually.

            Dont have to believe it straight away, but also immediately saying its fake is just stupid. Especially since there is so much proof of legit leaks throughout the years. Do I have to remind you of the Unova dex leak?

          • Pharap

            What the Riddler’s already doing would get an employee in trouble.

          • qolf

            lmao fr

          • Aqualate

            How? He/she isn’t giving away names or designs. He’s leaving behind clues and its up to us to figure out what they could mean.

          • Pharap

            Becuase that’s still attempting to leak information.

          • Chaos

            I never said it’s fake. I just said I don’t care much for the leaker.

            Also dropping hints like that is enough to get someone in trouble. If you’re gonna risk your job for this, you may as well go all out in my opinion.

          • qolf

            The Riddler claimed they worked for GameFreak?

          • Aqualate

            No they didn’t but a lot of people think he/she might be one of the trailer editors

          • qolf

            The riddler is chinese though. So Gamefreak is having China work on the game and such?

          • Aqualate

            I don’t see how that could be impossible? GF is Japanese but I doubt they’d only employ other Japanese?

          • Pharap

            In fairness, Japan has very strict immigration policy.
            It’s quite an anti-immigration country with very stern viewpoints.
            E.g. you may be turned away from an onsen if you have any tattoos.

          • qolf

            Idk lol. It was a genuine question cuz I dont know shii about the games production and such. I barely even play videogames besides pokemon, so I don’t know how all that goes

          • Pharap

            Most programmers are American, Australian, Canandian, British, Indian, German or Scandinavian. Except for Japan, where the percentage of immigrants is tiny.

          • Pharap

            Also, programs written half in English and half in Japanese are weird.

          • Localisation. 🙂

    • Also worth noting is that the official site teases the possibility of more Ultra Beasts. I find it odd that the leaker can tease more Pokémon, even those completely unknown, but not more UBs.

      • Ultron

        Perhaps the other UBs are in the postgame so they wouldnt get trailers

        • Perhaps.

          Just find it odd. Also believe there’s some stuff to throw us off.

      • Pharap

        Aye, I’m convinced there will be somewhere between 5 and 10 (counting those with the same numbers but in diferent vesions).

        • Very odd that they’re not teasing many evolutions of announced Pokémon. In fact other than those that we know exist/can say guarantee exist without question, have there been any teased evolutions?

          • Pharap

            Not to my knowledge.

          • Aqualate

            Gumshoos’s design was leaked on 4chan

          • I’m talking teasing by this individual!

          • belmad

            It may just be teasing of what will be revealed till the game release. Or what she knows so far from what she has seen from the trailers to be revealed for instance.

          • Possibly true. I’d rather no leaks at all, got to keep things nice and fresh. But oh well. 🙁

          • belmad

            Well the Pokemon company itself is the real leaker this time, we got too much Pokemon revealed that it may keep things from being nice and fresh.

          • I’ve been questioning whether they’re just going to reveal everything outright this time. Few surprises in terms of Pokémon when the game launches.

          • Pharap

            We still don’t know any of the evolution methods.

          • Level the Pokémon with your 3DS 1,000 feet in the air standing on one leg.

          • Pharap

            Ah yes, the pseudo-legendary emu’s 4th form 😛

          • Legmu. Flying/Ground.

          • Pharap

            Good thing I know where to get my hands on a hot air balloon. Will that even go 1,000 feet?

            Oh well, time to practise standing on one leg.

          • I think so. I’m sure the 3DS won’t know if you’re ACTUALLY 1000ft.

          • Pharap

            Depends if it’s got a gyroscope or GPS 😛

          • Pharap

            You could choose to not watch them.
            And the company itself is doing things in a controlled manner in small doses. They’ve kept over 60% of the visible locations on the map a complete secret so far (i.e. they’re not shown in any trailers). Not to mention we don’t know a single town name, we only know the name of 2 non-town locations.

          • belmad

            I’m not judging anything here. Anyone can choose not to watch trailers as well as they can choose not to look at leaks.

          • Pharap

            I’m just saying, there’s no way of telling how much they’ve revealed. We might know nearly everything, we might know next to nothing.

    • Nintendalek42

      It’s possible the tiki could be a guardian/Tapu, and the spaces in between are for the two other Tapus?

      • Pharap

        Plausible.
        Again, another case of this guy being unnecissarily vague.

      • Aqualate

        The mentioned Tiki is Fire/Grass and I think the Tapus are all part Fairy

        • Nintendalek42

          Where does it say it’s fire/grass????

          • Aqualate

            It was in one of the earlier 4chan leaks. It mentioned a Grass/Fire tiki

          • Nintendalek42

            The ones the riddler reposted? Because the ridller hasn’t clarified that everything in that is true, they haven’t said why they posted it, so I think it’s too early to take it as seriously as the picture hints.

          • Aqualate

            No not the riddler. I dont know if its the same leaker as the original (legit) one though

          • Nintendalek42

            Well then I’m sorry but I don’t see the point of discussing just some 4chan “leak” as if it’s true, and it’s especially confusing if you’re putting it on the same credibility level as the riddler, who with the original chinese leak post (and I do mean only that single original post) is one of the only near dead-cert leakers we have.

    • Ben Rhodes

      I think the Tiki evolutions are actually there to represent the other Island Guardians, but yes there is something off. At the same time theres not much to discredit it either despite the Cutiefly evo slip up.

  • qolf

    Was the toucan edited in there after or before the trailer came out with the girl wearing the toucan shirt? Because once that happened, everybody started thinking there was a toucan pokemon, If he put the toucan in there after, than it just seems to me that he isn’t as credible as everyone thinks. Because once the trailer dropped and showed Cutiefly’s evolution, and everybody started pointing it out, then he updated the chart and put it on there

    • Green

      After

      • qolf

        goodlooks

    • Pharap

      After, just like with Cutiefly.

      • qolf

        Exactly, so the leaker isn’t really as powerful as people think. Sure he knows some info, but the rest hes just been pullin out his ass when the obvious is visible it looks like to me

        • Aqualate

          The leaker and this riddler are two different individuals though. The leaker mentions typings and classifications. The riddler just drops images

          • qolf

            Thea leaker is the one who dropped the starter evolution sketches, and mentioned rugby monkey, snowman and etc?

            and the riddler is the one who made this chart?

          • Aqualate

            I don’t know who dropped the starter evo sketches, but I do know that the leaker mentioned an archer, wrestler and mermaid/siren as the starter evos. And yes he mentioned rugby monkey, snowman/iceman, sea cucumber, alola formes, no gyms etc

          • Aqualate

            The riddler leaves behind clues of stuff that are related to SuMo and they are about yet to be revealed things, whether it be new Pokemon or something else.

            He dropped an image of a cloth with a Skeleton and in the same week Team Skull were revealed. This is just one example though.

        • belmad

          I don’t know what is meant powerful here but she is one of the most powerful person on internet now among people we are having interact with in terms of having Sun & Moon info.

          • qolf

            Yeah definitely. I know the person is the most credible from everyone so far, I just don’t think they’re credible enough to make a chart that we can all rely on. Especially with the shii thats going on at the bottom with the alola forms. That to me seems like they just put who they THINK would have an alola form. In that case his voice is no different than a fan if he has no insight on it

          • Pharap

            The stuff at the bottom isn’t anything to do with alolan forms, it’s supposed to be pokemon from other generations that are returning.

          • Pharap

            The greyed out ones are the ones that haven’t appeared in trailers but are supposedly going to be in the game, the bold ones are ones that have appeared in trailers (which again, isn’t leaking, it’s just going through the trailers and ticking off what’s been seen).

          • ItsYaBoy EastGuzma

            but he also posted mons that were faded now not?

          • Pharap

            Has he? Can you prove that?

          • ItsYaBoy EastGuzma

            give me a few moments i gotta backtrack

          • Aqualate

            The scratched out Pokemon won’t be getting Alola formes according to him. The ones who aren’t greyed out or scratched out might still get it

  • Nintendalek42

    I don’t really understand those who are saying “the riddler didn’t hint to this or that, therefore they must be lying now”. Clearly this grid is not supposed to be the whole generation (would anyone seriously think that???), but only the extent of what this person knows/wants to reveal. Clearly this person likes playing by their own rules rather than revealing everything head on, though it seems of late they’ve become more open and cocky.

    They also seem to be keeping it updated with info that comes out, such as the pokémon seen in trailers, the cutiefly evolution, or this while toucan speculation thing. But I don’t see how that removes their credibility by any stretch of logic, they’ve still been right for everything they predicted, and they’re not required to have predicted everything to be right.

    Maybe there is some bull mixed in there, maybe suddenly they are lying, but until now this hinter has been spot-on, so to assume that what they’re posting now isn’t worthy of the benefit of the doubt kind of puts you in denial…
    And all we have from them is still just hints (apart from that 4chan repost, but we’re not clear on what that even means.
    We may as well concentrate on investigating them rather than argue whether we trust it or not, it’d be a better use of our time :p .

    • I can’t remember where I saw it, but I do believe the leaker said there was some false information they included somewhen.

      • Nintendalek42

        Ah, fair enough if that’s the case, I’d like to see it if you can find it. We are simply talking about the riddler right, not some other leaker? As far as I know until very recently all the riddler ever gave were picture hints, how could those be wrong exactly???

        • Hang on, yes. My bad! I think it was the leaker (not the riddler we’re talking about) who said that. The leaker who posted on the Chinese board is the one who said they included some false information, I believe.

          • Nintendalek42

            Ah, yes, the chinese leaker (as opposed to the riddler) is a whole other matter. Especially with how people seem to conflate multiple leakers, such as claiming they said the rugby monkey was fighting/ground (I’m 100% sure that wasn’t in the original leak post, maybe they said it later but are we sure that’s the same person?).
            What even is left from their predictions that hasn’t turned out true yet? Apart from the Snowman and Dolphin pokémon (and wow, people, me included, are gonna be hella pissed if that was a lie).

          • There was some interesting conversation going on over on our Twitter account earlier. It seems some of the new teases from the Riddler could line up with the dolphin and possibly snowman from the leaker. So much going on it’s difficult to keep track!

      • Pharap

        Again, there’s no need to do that.
        That just sounds like they’re covering their ass.

      • ItsYaBoy EastGuzma

        Riddler posted a 4chan leak that was not theirs but someone with crediablity, they said some of its false why most is true keep a eye on it

        • Ah, I was specifically referencing the Chinese leaker. But interesting to know the Riddler has apparently done the same.

    • Pharap

      It’s because they’re padding it out to make it seem like they’ve done more than they actually have. Any idiot could compile a list of already revealed pokemon.

      • Nintendalek42

        Or maybe they’re “padding it out” to give us a complete overview of everything we know so far? Why assume malice? The riddler has only been spot-on with the riddles up to now, they need no more credibility than that.

        • Pharap

          There’s no need though, it detracts from their actual predictions.

          • Nintendalek42

            I guess that’s a fair enough point of view, I’m more of the opinion it helps clarify things and give us a good “what we know/what you’ll be seeing soon” overview.

          • Pharap

            He hasn’t got much more than the official website does. Literally just the 7 things I mentioned in my earlier comment.

          • Nintendalek42

            Yes, and that’s more than the riddler’s ever hinted at before… It used to be one picture each time.
            This is the RIDDLER we’re talking about, not a simple LEAKER (caps for emphasis, not trying to sound angry haha).
            This person isn’t just throwing everything in each time like your average “my uncle’s accountant works at nintendo” text leaker, they’re more subtle and playful than that (and I’d argue, a cooler leaker for it).
            They’ve just chosen to start highlighting their reveal in the grand scheme of things. Suddenly the riddler is giving us more than just one hint at a time, and you’re blaming them because they’re not just giving us a full infodump? Doesn’t seem very coherent to me.

          • Pharap

            Sounds like they’re trying to make themselves more important.

            They’re not cool, they’re just in a position of power that they have chosen to abuse (by both leaking in the first place and not leaking all at once).

    • ItsYaBoy EastGuzma

      The riddler did this the first time with avatars and pictures
      A stuffed Owl,Cat and Sea Lion pictured
      Zubat and Litleo
      A pikachu with a cover on it
      Organs+Fist?
      A football player
      a sage.
      they totally have to know things

      • Pharap

        Organs and rock paper scissors, not fist.

  • Nickerton

    Okay so I’m seeing a lamp post? a male/female version type thing and a toucan 😀
    Always wanted a toucan pokemon

    • Ab pokemons

      • Nickerton

        Lickitung’s best friend

  • Rockcrawdaunt

    I’m honestly tired of speculation. People are arguing (including myself) when in the end, we all know just about as much as the next guy (though some people draw shorter conclusions and don’t reach as much). Regardless, I’m here on this site for the reveals and discussion of already announced features. Could there be an article on what pokemon we think will evolve/ what they will look like, perhaps an article on the new customization, perhaps something on the trial captains, idk. I love speculation to an extent, but a constantly updated list of pokemon after certain announcements and the comments that ensue below because of it is really not what I want to do here on PJ.

    • I have A LOT of stuff planned for articles. i just can’t get it out yet because there’s a hold-up with something else.

      As soon as everything’s sorted you can expect articles based purely on what has been officially revealed and thoughts on what could follow.

      • Rockcrawdaunt

        Wonderful! this was in no way trying to attack you guys. This list by the riddler is just exhausting and the constant updating after reveals makes it weaker imo. I still appreciate speculation, but in the end, I think we all wish we were playing the game with all the answers right nowz

        • No, no! Didn’t take it that way at all. Wasn’t expecting an article on this today and I’m a little tired of it too. Hopefully will have something out soon!

          • Rockcrawdaunt

            Yay! I like discussion. But when all we have is a tiki picture and people start adamantly discussing their ideas, i yearn for discussion on already announced features.

          • BUT. TIKI IS LIFE!?!

    • qolf

      I like the arguing lol. Its nice to see what people have to say, and what everyones opinions are

    • Pharap

      Exactly, the riddler isn’t worth our time, he’s just causing argument because it’s never anything concrete.

      I’m tempted to go to the forum and start a separate discussion 😛

  • EarthenWarrior

    this is why one of us needs to invent time travel
    go to the future
    get the official book
    and see if this guy is lying or not

    • Or ya know, just get the games and play them instead?

      • qolf

        ???

    • Chaos

      And then beat him to a pulp if he is

      • EarthenWarrior

        then send me’
        i’ll compile all the info we would ever want
        and i’ll beat up the guy and or random civilians

  • I really dislike this riddler’s way of doing things. I mean the mystery is neat but the constant updates are kind of annoying

    • ItsYaBoy EastGuzma

      I’ve been on his official forums he updates after every trailer

      • Which is weird to me. Like, why not hint the entire d ex all at once? Why does Jangamo-o have an evolution hinted at but not the mid stages?

        • ItsYaBoy EastGuzma

          its like rockruff. he didn’t have any hints for rockruff.

        • Ithsme

          Maybe he’s a trailer editor . . . ?

    • Green

      I agree 100% with you on this.

      • EarthenWarrior

        so much ruckus

        • Green

          I find it pretty annoying with him updating it after every trailer. It’s getting hard to believe him.

          • Aqualate

            If he works as one of the trailer editors, it actually makes sense

    • Nintendalek42

      I think updating after every trailer is fair, and I think riddles are much more exciting than boring, overdone text-leaks which any idiot with a keyboard and some imagination can make, because they don’t actually reveal that much and thus don’t actually spoil, giving us a neat middleground where we can speculate but where the revealed pokémon are still neat surprises.

    • Pharap

      This is precisely why I’m distrusting and prefer to ignore them.

      In the early days it was just individual riddles on a chinese forum, but now he’s bundling stuff from the trailers in to try and pad out what he’s actually revealing (or rather hinting since he never actually reveals anything).

    • Ithsme

      I actually love their way of doing it. 😛

  • ItsYaBoy EastGuzma

    I found the pic i was looking for ik i posted this before but like he has gotten alot right. (rf) https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/7afd921f104944a80394ea4a87857d0d1b6a4affaaba55946de4efb2078c54dc.jpg

    • ItsYaBoy EastGuzma

      the riddler does know things maybe he does lie about other thing but he sure has gotten alot right so far .

    • Nickerton

      Wow thx this is cool. Where does the chinese leaker drop clues? On twitter or 4chan?

      • ItsYaBoy EastGuzma

        chinese leaker and riddler are too separate people. and its on bulbagardens

        • Nickerton

          I meant riddler. So he posts hints on bulbagarden forums??

          • Aqualate

            No but Bulbagarden keeps track of his activities. They update the page I linked to you when he or the leaker drops something new.

          • Nickerton

            Okay so where does he drop the hints? Twitter?

          • Aqualate

            No idea, I just visit Bulbagarden every now and then to see if there’s an update

          • Pharap

            Some strange Chinese forum. I was taken there once but lost the link. Also he uploads the image so some Chinese version of imgur that has a pawprint for its logo. Again, lost the link to that site too…

      • Aqualate
    • Pharap

      The aristotle head doesn’t correspond to UB01.

      • Aqualate

        Aristotle believed that the universe was divided into two parts, the terrestial region and the celestial region. The aristotle image mentions ”celestial body” and ”wormhole” and what is UB01 and where does it spawn from?

        • Pharap

          UB01 is not a celestial body, it’s a jelly fish (there are no jelly fish stars or constellations.)

          The aristotle head could equally have been intended as a thing to reveal the aether foundation since aristotle was the one who suggested quintessence/aether as the 5th element.

          • Aqualate

            Its a jelly fish that spawns from another dimension, that would make it a celestial body.

            And yes the Aristotle image was also meant as a clue for the Aether Foundation. UB01 and Aether were announced in the same trailer by the way.

          • Pharap

            Celestial – Relating to the sky or space.

            Another dimension is not the sky or space.

          • Aqualate

            ”Lusamine studies hyperspacial Pokemon (UB)”

          • Pharap

            Coming from a different dimension isn’t what hyperspatial means.

            Hyperspatial refers to either n-dimensional space in euclidean geometry, where n > 3 (i.e. fourth dimensions and so forth), or space that is orthoganal to the usual dimensions of space-time.

            Space in the definition of celestial refers to that black void that surrounds our puny planets.

          • belmad

            Then explain this:

            “You’re from a whole other world
            A different dimension”

            Read more: Katy Perry – E.T. Lyrics | MetroLyrics

      • ItsYaBoy EastGuzma

        thats bulbagardens fault as the person keeping track made this from all his posts , i noticed that too but i didnt want to edit the originally image

  • Ithsme

    Seems like all I’ve missed is a lot of drama over a lot of nothing. xD

    • Pharap

      The Riddler is Marmite.

    • Chaos

      Same old

  • LinksDaydream

    No one ever answered my question as to why some of the sprites on the bottom are greyed out? Just that the sprites represent the pokemon seen so far

    • Pharap

      The greyed out ones are supposed to be ones that are going to appear but haven’t been shown.

      • LinksDaydream

        gotcha, thanks

        • Pharap

          Most of them are obvious though, like Tyranitar and Porygon (leaked in item form on the Pokemon Refresh image from the website), Horsea (on the fountain), Seal (in the concept art of that hotel), Huntail (on a boat), Steelix (boat form), Wailord (boat form), Chinchou (hotel again).

          Whiskash/Barboach were also on the hotel I think.

    • Aqualate

      I did answer that question lol, see your post again.

      • LinksDaydream

        not the greyed out ones, you just replied that the sprites in the bottom were for pokemon we have seen before in game, you didn’t say anything about the greyed out ones

  • ItsYaBoy EastGuzma

    so nintendo turned 127 today

    • And no NX…

      plz nintendo

      • Pharap

        The shock when Nintendo reveals the NX is actually a chain of love hotels.
        Hold habits die hard XD

      • Aqualate

        NX is needed

      • ItsYaBoy EastGuzma

        Ubisoft saw the NX this week and said like a hour ago “I think, once again, the interface is very attractive,” he said. “It’s a machine that will be easy to use for all gamers. They have built in something that will give us chance to really have a different experience from what exists today. That’s what I like – that they come with something new that is adapted to what we actually want now.”

        • Pharap

          Now I’m worried it’s going to be heavily inspired by phones/tablets.

          • ItsYaBoy EastGuzma

            i think the hybrid console is the real deal now.

          • Pharap

            I never doubted it after they filed that really boring patent.

          • ItsYaBoy EastGuzma

            but i think it will look different from what the patent had

          • Pharap

            They’ll have to submit a new one.

            Though I think the patent doesn’t dictate the exterior, it’s more about the technique involved or the configuration of the innards.

      • EarthenWarrior

        what if the NX was so advanced it became sentient and went AWOL

    • Pharap

      It’s not Sept 23rd where I am.

      • ItsYaBoy EastGuzma

        going by japan time.

  • Aqualate

    Ultra Beasts were firstly leaked on 4chan by the way, on August 11 as ”boss level aliens that resemble Pokemon who are researched by the villains”

    • ItsYaBoy EastGuzma

      and 4chan users were totally like
      “KYS”
      “hahah such bull”
      (Nsfw content post)
      “fake anon”

  • Aqualate
    • looks like an unknown

    • ItsYaBoy EastGuzma

      id use it, but is alolan Tyranitar gonan be?

      • Aqualate

        Really believe Alola formes are gen 1 exclusive. Or are you being funny?

        • Pharap

          I’m still hoping they aren’t, but he was being sarcastic because of the tyranitar comb.

          • Aqualate

            I kind of hope Solrock and Lunatone receive some kind of new form maybe, I mean its pretty obvious given the games titles.

          • ItsYaBoy EastGuzma

            imagine
            Lunatone is a sun exclusive
            Solrock is a Moon Exclusive

          • Pharap

            Depends what the forms would look like, it’d be pretty easy to mess those two up.

            I’d hope they’d turn partially or fully crystalline due to the power of the sun and moon.

        • ItsYaBoy EastGuzma

          well we saw tyrantiar in comb form. Combs can be a neat steel type.

    • Pharap

      Did you take that from Shiggy?

  • Pharap

    I like how everyone forgot the Riddler did leaks that weren’t about new pokemon. It says a lot about what people are most interested in 😛

    • ItsYaBoy EastGuzma

      I still loved one of his first ones
      X/Y had Meganium and Yanmega, while Sun/Moon has porygon-z

  • Aqualate
    • OMG YES

    • Pharap

      I have no clue what’s going on…

      So no change there then.

      • ItsYaBoy EastGuzma

        its for the ultimate pokemon theory by lockstin

        • Aqualate

          Lockstin is my drug. I might just watch part 1-2 in a bit just to get in the mood

          • ItsYaBoy EastGuzma

            I liked part 1 alot. like 9.5/10 but part 2 was alright

        • EarthenWarrior

          i’ve been hearing that name floating around, who or what is this guy

          • Imagine Game Theory, but not trash

          • EarthenWarrior

            i like game theory….

          • Eh… it’s okay… sometimes. It isn’t as good now

          • Ithsme

            I like both. 😛

          • Pharap

            Just another youtuber with theories.

            So in other words just like people here, but much less credible.

          • But he does so much research. Like soooooo much research. He doesn’t just spit them out, he actually looks into everything

          • EarthenWarrior

            like me

          • Pharap

            Precisely why I prefer the theories of people here.

          • Ithsme

            So you prefer the theories of complete strangers over those with a dedicated following? I mean, if they have a following than they’ve gotta be good for something. Sorry, but your logic doesn’t make sense here.

          • Aqualate

            He even points out several times in his videos that some of the stuff he says are a bit of a stretch and should be taken with a big grain of salt

          • Ithsme

            Oh it’s all a stretch, but it’s entertaining nonetheless. And it’s oddly all connected, so if at least some of it isn’t true, it’s the biggest coincidence I’ve ever seen. xD

          • Pharap

            Call me when there’s a transcript form instead of a video.

          • Ithsme

            C’mon, he clearly puts a lot of time and thought into his content, you’ve gotta give him credit for that.

          • The Last Kurusu

            Never seen them but I’m happy to see everyone happy did he make those Pokemon is ending videos?

          • Yeah. Title is kinda misleading though

          • The Last Kurusu

            Ok

          • Aqualate

            Well one of his videos was taken down briefly due to a copyright claim by the Japanese publishers of the anime series

          • Aqualate

            He has a YT channel. Lockstin of Gnoggin

          • Aqualate
        • Pharap

          I’ll give it a miss then.

    • Green

      YES!!!

    • Ithsme

      *waiting intensifies*

  • Pharap

    Aurora Fae is alive in the forums for anyone who cares.

    • He followed me. I was really relieved when I saw the notification

      • Pharap

        I am indifferent if not irked.

    • The Last Kurusu

      OMG he is alive!!! I must get there!

    • Aqualate

      Who even is he? I see all these comments about him but I for one never heard of him and I’ve been here for a while now.

      • Ithsme

        A user here who recently left because of internet drama, who now is back on the forums.

      • Green

        Have you heard of the Lavender Swirlix?

        • Aqualate

          Yes, he was always clashing with Earthen cause of his Fairy hatred and urge to kill things

          • Green

            Yep. That’s Fae

          • Aqualate

            That also the reason he left? I mean, Earthen is adorable. Just a genuine cranky guy who hates people but I don’t have a problem with that, probably because I am just like that though, xD.

          • Pharap

            Earthen reminds me of Grunkle Stan.

          • Green

            Pre-Weirdmageddon times Grunkle Stan

          • Pharap

            I think he recovered from that, but yeah.

          • EarthenWarrior

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=weYHaxJdAek
            Replace it with stupid megas and theories

          • Pharap

            Complete agreement.

          • Green

            Earthen’s not the reason

          • Ithsme

            No, Fae got into an argument with another person on this site as a guest user for a risque picture the person posted, both proceeded to fight until Fae left the site.

          • Pharap

            That sounds kind of daft when you put it like that.

          • Ithsme

            There’s more I’d rather not bring up. Out of respect for the mod’s requests. I’ll just kinda say you had to be there.

          • The Last Kurusu

            That’s him just reborn

          • Pharap

            Yeah, Earthen really brightens up the place.

      • Pharap

        Just another user. Aparently a lot of people got upset when he left because of some argument or another.

    • The Last Kurusu

      Guys he wants us to delete these we should out of respect

      • Green

        Yeah. I told him as well.

        • The Last Kurusu

          Ok he just said it so let’s delete these that say his name at least

          • Green

            And Shady’s because it’s pretty rude to talk about people when they aren’t here. Sorry guys. I shoulda just shut up.

      • Yep, we should delete. It is still kinda of a not fun thing to remember back too

  • Aqualate

    OMG PEOPLE HAVE TO TELL ME WHERE BIRD KEEPER TOBY GETS HIS POKEMON STUFF? Like plushes, t-shirts etc??? I NEED TO KNOW

    • Green

      I know this one!!!!
      The Internet o_o

    • Pharap

      Probably Etsy, or Japan.

      • EarthenWarrior

        you mean Poketsy

    • Ithsme

      What does he have that caught your eye? I’m a huge fan of pokemon merchandise as well.

      • Aqualate

        He wore a Suicune t-shirt in his latest video and has various plushes sitting in the background in other vids

        • The Last Kurusu

          I want that shirt I shall make a shirt then show y’all

  • Green

    Ok, guys. Fae wants us to stop talking about him and Shady and delete the stuff. He also said us talking about their problems just makes him not wanna come back even more.

    • Ithsme

      Are you PMing? O_0

      • Green

        Yeah. I have been for 3 days now

        • Ithsme

          Ahh, lucky! You get to be on the inside of something, lol.

          • Green

            Ha. It’s just great to talk to him he’s fun to talk to 🙂

      • The Last Kurusu

        What?

        • Green

          Personal Messaging

          • Ithsme

            I guess I’ve found my answer. xD

        • Ithsme

          Private(or is it personal?) messaging. It’s something you can do on the forums where you talk to people but no one else can see it.

          • The Last Kurusu

            Oh Ok I should have seen that

  • Green

    So yeah. I’ve deleted all of my below comments referring to the people and some other people have as well. Let’s move on.

    So anyway. Tomorrow is a new Generations 😀

  • Pharap
    • Aqualate

      Greninja in gen 9

  • Pharap
    • Nickerton

      That pikachu looks like the girl on snapchat who does the “Steven” flirting snaps xD

  • Pharap
    • Nickerton

      wtf did he really post that?

      • Pharap

        Real Shiggy is best Shiggy.

      • Aqualate

        Its a parody account

        • Nickerton

          thank you truth speaker. all this time i actually thought he posted meme stuff. Im sad to know it was never him :/

      • This is a real twitter account for Shigeru Miyamoto

  • Pharap
    • The Last Kurusu

      She has a thong I think?

    • ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)yes

      • The Last Kurusu

        Now after that lets see Hilda in one!

    • Aqualate

      I remember Aqua from the Kingdom Hearts series had a similar designing ”error” on her back and they later fixed that

      • Pharap

        I wish my errors were that neat.

    • Ithsme

      “E for everyone”

    • Green

      It’s a Bikini

      • Green

        Probably

    • MelloMori

      pretty sure this has been photoshopped.

      • *Sigh* it was..

        • MelloMori

          Hey the world isn’t ready for 15 year olds in skimpy bikinis. Well Japan might be ready, but most of the world really isn’t..

          • Pharap

            Japan has been ready for decades.

          • I mean, they are wearing clothes over it

          • MelloMori

            of course, but really its kind of bit taboo to really have something that can be seen as sexually provocative in a project intended for all ages. Like Japan, Italy and other places are probably fine with the idea, but places like the US or the UK might actually have a problem with it given they don’t want to explain what a thong is to their young kids. Cultures are a big mess of a gray area.

          • Pharap

            Side note: when I was about 14 in school, one of my classmates wore a thong.

          • MelloMori

            I knew someone like that as well. It was bright banana yellow. He was a cool guy.

          • Pharap

            This was a girl.

        • Pharap

          Completely expected.

    • TheReece25

      wu…wut 0,0

  • Pharap

    Shall I just keep reposting Shiggy’s tweets?
    Conversation seems to be dead…
    Unless someone has something to discuss? 😛

  • Pharap

    “Yes, I’ve finally completed all the street pass puzzle panels!”
    *new puzzle added*
    DX

  • Green

    Is anyone interested in a few people flying in a balloon in the PJFP? (Let’s call it that. It’s easier to type than Pokejungle Family Portrait.)

    • Or being carried by a pidgey?

      • Green

        *Zubat

    • Pharap

      Or riding on the neck of an Exeggcutor!

    • Ithsme

      I really love that it’s a meowth balloon. . . Or maybe a sewaddle balloon!

      • Green

        Yeah. Sewaddle probably

      • Pharap

        Alolan Meowth?

        • Green

          It’s not about Alola tho. So probably just Sewaddle

          • Pharap

            Alola’s what we’ve been talking about for months to be fair though.

            Plus I don’t think anyone has drawn one of those yet.

          • Green

            Team Rocket will have one to blend in with the Surroundings

    • The Last Kurusu

      I like this idea!

    • Pharap

      Gsv xrksvi dzh vzhb gl xizxp,

      hl mld R droo trev blf lmv yzxp.

      Zgyzhs rh mvzg, yfg rg’h vzhb gl yvzg,

      hl olmt zh blf’ev tlg gsv pmzxp.

      • Green

        YAY!!! I LOVE THESE!!!! :DDDDDD

        • Pharap

          People might get sad, that much is true.

        • Ithsme

          Seriously what is this?

          • It’s a code!

          • Ithsme

            I realize that much. xD

      • Ithsme

        What is this?

      • Throw a hint at me, is there a key needed? If so, what is it?

        • Ithsme

          Oh apparently it’s a gravity falls thing. I like it but I’m not that dedicated. xD

          • Pharap

            It’s not hard, just an Atbash cipher.

        • Oh nevermind.. I uh.. I saw the answer… :/

          Man, I thought I was so clever for solving it

          • Ithsme

            Where did you see the answer?

          • It’s deleted now.

            The cipher was easy to crack,

            so now I will give you one back.

            Atbash is neat, but it’s easy to beat,

            so long as you’ve got the knack.

          • Ithsme

            Oh lol.

          • Green

            WHAT?!
            I JUST SPENT LIKE 12 MINUTES ON THIS BECAUSE I WAS USING THE VIGENERE CIPHER!!!!!!!!!!!!

          • Pharap

            I used the same cipher you did for yours specifically to make it easy for you XD

          • Green

            BUT I LIEK CHALLENGES!!!!!

          • Pharap

            I don’t have any challenges, but I have a gift for you:

            defaultMaybe x Nothing = x
            defaultMaybe _ (Just x) = x

            elemMap _ [] _ = Nothing
            elemMap _ _ [] = Nothing
            elemMap e (x:xs) (y:ys) = if e == x then Just y else elemMap e xs ys

            atbashChar c = defaultMaybe c $ elemMap c src dst
            where
            src = (++) [‘a’..’z’] [‘A’..’Z’]
            dst = (++) (reverse [‘a’..’z’]) (reverse [‘A’..’Z’])

            atbashString s = fmap (atbashChar) s

            main = do
            let msg = “Hello World”
            print $ msg
            print $ atbashString msg
            print $ atbashString $ atbashString msg

          • Pharap

            Yeah, I copy-paste-posted too quickly 😛

        • Pharap

          It’s an atbash cipher, I literally gave my reply in the same cipher @green1289:disqus picked for his original riddle, to make things easy.

      • Green

        The cipher was easy to crack, so now I will give you one back. Atbash is neat, but it’s easy to beat, so long as you’ve got the knack.

  • Pharap
    • Ithsme

      Where can I buy this?

      • Pharap

        Japan probably 😛

  • Pharap

    Pieces Collected: 1205/1603…

    Dammit Nintendo, are my play coins not enough!?

  • Aqualate
  • SexyScizor89

    Anyone know a good site to buy older video game console games? Amazon and EBay blow

    • SexyScizor89

      Ps2, GameCube, And PS3 are the ones I want the most

  • Ok, if you were a gym leader, what would your type be, what would your team be and what would your gym be like?

    I would be a ghost type leader.

    -Mimikyu
    -Froslass
    -Gourgeist
    – Mismagius
    -Chandelure
    -Mega Gengar

    My gym would give trainers a lantern that had limited fuel. You have to traverse a maze filled with walls you can pass through and invisible walls both only made clear by shining light onto them.

    • Ithsme

      I guess this applys if you qualify for the league huh?

      FLYING TYPE
      – Oricorio
      – Togekiss
      – Gliscor
      – Tropius
      – Noivern
      – M Altaria

      • Green

        Oricorio is becoming one of my favorites. It get’s better every time I see one

        • Ithsme

          Even as a likely one stage, it’s teeming with potential. Hopefully it has moderate stats.

          • Pharap

            It’s almost guaranteed to be a single stage, but as far as single stages go, it’s one of my favourites.

          • EarthenWarrior

            i want to break everyone of its kind

      • Pharap

        What would your gym trap be?

        Which form of Oricorio?

        Lol Tropius XD

        Altaria is slightly cheating with its mega, but whatever 😛

        • Ithsme

          I’m not creative enough to come up with something. Maybe something with birds, like a mix of canalave’s gym and opelucid’s gym. Probably Baile Oricorio for coverage.

          • Pharap

            Baile’s my favourite.

            I think your trap should involve flying between cloud platforms or collecting feathers, but that’s just me 😛

    • Pharap

      I wish gym leaders had themes rather than being centred around types, but here goes.

      I wanted to consider other types as well, but for brevity I’ll post just 1 scenario.

      Psychic type:
      -Espeon (Magic Bounce)
      -Slowking (Regenerator)
      -Metagross (Clear Body)
      -Delphox (Magician)
      -Gallade (Justified) (Mega)

      My gym battle would be in double battle format.

      The trap would be a large hedge maze with mirrors, fake doors and fake walls.

      • Pharap

        Oops, didn’t realise we’re allowed 6.
        Swoobat (Simple) can be my 6th.

    • EarthenWarrior

      i don’t care for these
      everyone overdoes their team and makes them all final forms and op crap

      Ground (Obviously)
      Sandslash
      Piloswine
      Gabite
      Palpitoad
      Graveler
      Rhyperior

      My Gym is extra demanding since you’ll need both flash and strength to navigate through my pitch black subterranean tunnels to make it to mu Bowl Shaped Arena

      and i’d begrudgingly award trainers that best me with the Terrain Badge and TM 26 Earthquake

      • Your gym puzzle is frustrating just from hearing it. Cool team though! And I didn’t even think of giving a TM

        • EarthenWarrior

          you’re distracted by loading in as many ghosts on your team without second thought

          • I just choose the ones I like

          • EarthenWarrior

            maybe drop a evo on a few just so it sounds believable

          • Or maybe my team is just my strongest rematch team

          • EarthenWarrior

            overdoing it like i said
            mine’s reasonable

          • I’m not exactly putting my team into an actual game, Earthen 😛

          • EarthenWarrior

            then it’s just a monotype team at this point
            but Gyms aren’t designed to overly rape trainers

          • *sigh* okay then Earthen Here ya go.

            -Mimikyu
            -Froslass
            -Pumpkaboo
            – Mismagius
            -Litwik
            -Haunter

          • EarthenWarrior

            see that wasn’t so bad

          • Pharap

            They should be.
            Trainers need more rape in their lives.
            (And I totally don’t regret wording it like that)

          • Lol, out of context that is genuinely terrible. 😛

          • Pharap

            I was going to hell anyway.
            *stares at collection of hitler memes*

          • Hey, see ya there

          • Pharap

            They’e funny though ; n ;
            If a little cruel.

            Except the Schwag one, that’s not cruel.

    • Ultron

      Dark!
      -Honchkrow (main)
      -Bisharp
      -Tyranitar
      -Spiritomb
      -Hydreigon
      -Weavile

      • Pharap

        Gym trap?

        • Ultron

          Yeah, I was still brainstorming. I was thinking it could be like a Castle. You have to navigate around the castle and there are people you have to fight in each room so that they’ll give you hints as to the location of secret passages that you will need to proceed successfully. I would be at the tallest tower in a library. You have to enter it through a secret dumbwaiter in the dungeon and when the player tries to use the long spiral staircase, it turns into a slide as they get to the top. Hehe.

          • Pharap

            Damn, and I thought a hedge maze was cool…

          • Ultron

            Oh, I bet it would be. Especially if it was foggy or something

          • Pharap

            Yeah, like in harry potter, or the shining.

            Wait, better idea, my gym trap will be ‘Relativity’ by MC Escher.

            MC Escher is my favourite MC ♪

          • Ultron

            Like some distortion world level shit…that’d be cool.

    • Natsu

      – Roserade
      – Glameow
      – Lopunny
      – Eevee
      – Scizor

      I give out the Sol Badge and my puzzle would be a large white room with invisble holes, teleportation devices, walls, doors, etc… and no gym trainers. You have a limited amount of time to complete the puzzle and if you fail to traverse through in the allotted amount of time, the puzzle changes each time you fail. I give out the Sunny Day TM.

      • Pharap

        Not specialising on a type feels like cheating 😛

        • Natsu

          Think of me as Blue or something. 😛

    • Wes

      Haha, this is actually a topic already on the forums! Over there I described my Ghost Gym too. Looks like I’ve got competition. 😉

      • Hopefully we can battle for supremacy in the tourney! >:D

        • Wes

          You’re on! (Assuming we both make it) :p

          • I need one more victory to move on. Fingers crossed!

          • Wes

            How are the two divisions merging? Is it the top four from each or something else?

          • I think it is just anyone who gets more than 4 victories? I’m not sure exactly?

          • Wes

            Oh well. I guess we’ll cross that bridge when we get there! If we don’t end up battling for the tournament, I’d love to battle you some other time. 🙂

    • Green

      I would be a Water type leader

      – Mantine
      – Gastrodon (East Sea)/Omastar (Seasonal)
      – Qwilfish
      – Ludicolo
      – Corsola

      My gym would be within a reef, without disturbing the ecosystem, of course and you would need to ride on/dive with a Mantine that is on the deck of the town (It is my Mantine). On the inside it would be dry and you’ll see the guy who gives you advice. It will be a strip of sand with water on either side. You go into the water with the Mantine (You don’t get to use it in battle tho) and when you go down into the water, you’ll be in a place filled with first stage water types (they won’t battle you) and you have 30 seconds to find the secret cave. You need to go back up for air after 30 seconds. When you find the cave, you will battle a trainer and then be able to go into the water on either side of the corallite cave floor. You repeat this and there are 3 levels. The second level has second stage water types and you have 20 seconds to find the cave and you go back for air to the 1st trainer level. Then you have 10 seconds on the last level and you find me and Mantine sets you down on the sand and I jump on it and you challenge.

    • Sunny

      I would be a Fairy-type leader:

      -Mimikyu
      -Comfey (Comfey Evo)
      -(Morelull Evo)
      -(Cutiefly Evo)
      -Florges (or Mimikyu Evo if there is one)

      My gym would have an active misty terrain that would serve as a fog to make it difficult to traverse the gym. The objective is to follow a shiny Cutiefly, that will run away from you, around the gym. However there will be a variety of Morelull hidden on each of the floors you go through.If you happen to arouse one’s attention they will throw a random status on you that will hamper your journey -paralysis, burn, and poison will make you slower, sleep and frozen condition will leave you stuck on one spot, confusion will make your movements random. The condition will disappear with time or when you go to the next floor. There is also one hidden Comfey that can heal you of your condition and your Pokemon. Mimikyu will give you hints on the way because I would want this gym to have three expansive floors with many grass ladders going up and down them (in other words it will be difficult to navigate so Mimikyu will help). There will be trainers along the way to battle against you. Finally, when you find the shiny Cutiefly the mist will clear up and the gym leader (in other words me) will appear and challenge you.

      Please let me know what you all think about this.

    • Flying!

      Fan Rotom
      Braviary
      Mantine
      Noivern
      Mega Salamence
      Alolan Exeggutor

    • Logan Wayman

      For me, I would be a Ground-type Gym Leader. My Pokemon would be:

      -Golurk
      -Pallosand
      -Sandslash (Not the Ice-type Alolan version)
      -Flygon
      -Gliscor
      -Mega Steelix

  • Shady

    I am bored is FORUMS a good place to waste time?

  • Green

    What do you guys think tomorrow’s Generations will be?

    • Pharap

      Something in Johto.

  • LastFootnote

    Seems like the greyed-out Pokemon at the bottom don’t mean much. Staryu and Starmie used to be greyed out in a previous version of this chart, but now they’re not. *shrug*

    • Pharap

      It’s supposed to be pokemon set to appear and the bold ones are ones that have been in trailers (which Starmie has been).

      • LastFootnote

        Which trailer was Squirtle/Wartortle/Blastoise in?

        • Pharap

          The one showing off concept art.
          Which is also what a lot of the water types are based on (the art for the blue+white hotel plaza)

  • Aqualate

    OMGGGGGGGGGGGGGG PART 3.5 COMING ABOUT UBs and Aether!!!!!!!!!!

    • Shady

      Where?

    • Green

      WHY NOT PART 4 THO?! OR DO YOU MEAN PART 3 PART 2?!

      • No, part 4 is confirmed

        • Ithsme

          Only part 4 is post sun and moon.

      • Aqualate

        Part 4 comes after the games are out. Hes gonna do live streams of his playthrough btw

    • HOW ARE YOU ALREADY FINISHED? I STILL HAVE 15 MORE MINUTES

      • Aqualate

        Hes my drug

        • Pharap

          Mine’s Skooma.

  • Something really cool about the reboot theory is that it brings together many parts of various religions and cultures. Christianity, Hinduism, Polynesian gods and culture…. Alchemy sprinkled all through out. I think that it is pretty cool since Pokemon has been advertised as of late to bring people together

    • Pharap

      It’s been doing that here and there for generations though.

      Groundon and Kyogre being the biblical Behemoth and Leviathan for example.

      Maybe they’ve been a bit lax on Polynesia (only doing moais and maybe parrots)

      • Also the regis are based on Jewish Golems. That’s really cool too.

        • Pharap

          Yeah.

          And recently I’ve discovered that loads of the G4 pokemon appear to be based on greek concepts ending in -os.

          Logos, Pathos, Ethos.
          Cosmos, Chronos.
          Erebos/Hypnos/Chaos.

          Might just be a coincidence though. I’m sure given time I’d find some for the others.

  • TigerMasku

    Plot twist: the riddler’s true identity is some big shot at game freak who is using the leaks as a way of marketing.

    • MelloMori

      -Insert Neo “Whoa” meme here-

    • TCRowlet

      I personally believe that to be the case for 90% of legitimate “leaks.”

    • Pharap

      I would laugh until the end of time.

  • Green

    I was surprised they didn’t have this, so I made one. HAPPY FALL ^-^ https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/c9182f21436b96ccefbe210dc439d6ab481ac2351509b6543599acae7aa83405.jpg
    (Refresh)

    • Oh my god now I want season changing Sewaddle!

      • Green

        Special event Sewaddle

      • Green

        It really should be Shiny Sewaddle tho.

    • EarthenWarrior

      Finally done with summer
      i was nothing but shweaty and sticky with all that damn heat and humidity

    • Pharap

      Autumn ; n ;

      • Green

        Fine. Autumn.

        • Pharap

          😀 Autumnal joys!

        • Pharap

          And in case you missed it earlier, my gift:

          defaultMaybe x Nothing = x
          defaultMaybe _ (Just x) = x

          elemMap _ [] _ = Nothing
          elemMap _ _ [] = Nothing
          elemMap e (x:xs) (y:ys) = if e == x then Just y else elemMap e xs ys

          atbashChar c = defaultMaybe c $ elemMap c src dst
          where
          src = (++) [‘a’..’z’] [‘A’..’Z’]
          dst = (++) (reverse [‘a’..’z’]) (reverse [‘A’..’Z’])

          atbashString s = fmap (atbashChar) s

          main = do
          let msg = “Hello World”
          print $ msg
          print $ atbashString msg
          print $ atbashString $ atbashString msg

          • Green

            I didn’t miss it, bit I’m out of the house and I need to concentrate to solve stuff

          • Pharap

            It’s not something you solve.
            It’s a program written in Haskell.
            The atbashString function converts a string to and from its atbash form.

            Run it on an online compiler (like this one: http://www.tutorialspoint.com/compile_haskell_online.php ) and you’ll see how it works.

  • TCRowlet

    Lockstin’s Part 3 video is so good omfg. I can’t wait for 3.5 now, and it definitely increased my hype for Sun and Moon which I didn’t think was possible at this point!!

    • Ultron

      Are they gonna take it down?

      • TCRowlet

        I don’t see why they would D:

  • Wes

    Wouldn’t it be neat if the Trial Captains taught us the main Z-Move dances for each type, but special ones are taught by special characters? Like Red teaching us Pikachu’s move or Blue with Eevee?

    • I want this so bad

      • Wes

        But imagine the possibilities! Nidoking or Rhydon and Giovanni. Volcarona and Alder. Axew and Iris. Barry and Staraptor. Diantha and Gardevoir.

        • Pharap

          Snorlax and… Erm… *spontaneously combusts*

          • That snorlax guy in the anime

          • Pharap

            Yeah, Snorlax had loads of epic scenes in the anime…

            (P.S. I’m so sorry, I couldn’t resist XD)

          • Wes

            Maybe Red could cover that one too? Or one of the Normal Gym Leaders?

          • Pharap

            Red teaching two seems a bit too much though. Maybe Kanto Oak should teach one.

            Marcel? http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Marcel

          • Ultron

            Barry!

          • Pharap

            That would work.

            I’d completely forgotten what his team was, I had to dig it out 😛

          • Ultron

            Starter
            Snorlax
            Staraptor
            Floatzel/Roserade/Rapidash
            ???

            This is a guess from memory

          • Ithsme

            Heracross

          • Pharap

            I already dug it out. There’s a slightly obscure Bulbapedia article listing it.

        • Ultron

          YES, Volcarona Z-move

    • knightwolf09

      You never seen that one part in one of the japanese trailers? The trial captains DO teach you the dances. Also the dance for Eevee is only the Normal type dance.

  • Pharap
    • Nickerton

      THE GAME SPHERE

  • Nickerton

    Okay I watched that Lockstin/Gnoggin fella that some of you were fanboying over and he’s really good! His theories were well thought out and he managed to find everything GF hid in the games .-.

    • There is still so much to discover and enjoy though.You aren’t too spoiled. Heck, it may even be cooler seeing it all come true

    • Pharap

      Well, he is paid to do it.

      • Nickerton

        Paid to do it or paid for doing it? There’s a slight difference

        • Pharap

          He’s paid to come up with videos to attract an audience. He does his job.

          • Does it well

          • Nickerton

            Who pays him?

          • He gets money from Ads on youtube

          • Pharap

            Adblock ftw.

          • Pharap

            Youtube.
            They pay a lot of the people making videos.

            Heck, Verlisify probably gets paid.

          • Nickerton

            He is not paid to make videos. He is paid BECAUSE he’s making videos a lot of people watch.

          • Pharap

            Same difference.
            Make videos -> get hype -> get paid.

      • Paid by Game Freak to say THE OPPOSITE OF WHAT IS TRUE

        • Pharap

          Conspiracy theories abound!

    • Corrin

      I find his titles to be really clickbaity and his theories to be a stretch. I think I’ve said this before.

    • Wes

      I watched one of those videos, and I just couldn’t continue. Everything felt like conclusion jumping, and I think he’s giving Pokemon way too much credit. And don’t even get me started on the awful dramatics.

      • Pharap

        This is why I prefer the theories of people here on PJ. No dramatics, I can read them in (usually) less than a minute, and I can interact with said person easily 😛

  • Pharap

    Xbox 129600…
    It’s spherical!

  • Monkeyfuzz

    So I know this is off topic, but is anyone else on Pottermore? I just found out my Patronus and wanted to see what other people got. I think it would be cool to know what Pokémon you’d like as your Patronus too.

    • Pharap

      Nope, but I’m convinced mine would be a cat.

      • Monkeyfuzz

        Why do you think that?

        • Pharap

          I like cats.

          • Monkeyfuzz

            Oh OK, simple enough XD

          • Monkeyfuzz

            What Pokémon do you think your Patronus would be and why?

          • Pharap

            For a specific pokemon…
            Mewtwo, because it’s a grumpy, lonely human hating cat-like thing with psychic powers and a sad backstory ಠ╭╮ಠ

            Assuming we’re not allowed legendaries though so…
            Espeon probably. Because it’s a sleek, intelligent cat-like thing with psychic powers.

            http://vignette4.wikia.nocookie.net/pokemon/images/4/4f/Anabel_Espeon.png

          • Monkeyfuzz

            Well I got a Dragon from my quiz so I think Legendaries are OK. Not sure about artificially created ones though. I think both Mewtwo and Espeon would look great as Patronus’, silver/white with sparkling star like trails behind them as they move.

          • Pharap

            Yeah, espeon would gallop across the air gracefully, and Mewtwo would rush forward, looking imposing.

            Have some Poketronus (that’s what I’m calling them now) art:

            https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/0f/9f/76/0f9f76ceb299ed798893bcad2e33cad2.jpg

            http://blog.logomyway.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/patronus_charizard.jpg

            http://i.imgur.com/4zOiNy3.jpg

          • Monkeyfuzz

            Pokétronus, I like it! I think mine would be Infernape, jumping around like an acrobat. If it follows my Dragon one then I think maybe I’d have Zekrom or Hydreigon.

          • Pharap

            Zekrom > Hydreigon

          • Monkeyfuzz

            I think so too, though I really like Hydreigon. Actually that picture of the Charizard Pokétronus makes me think I might have that. The Patronuses are meant to often be something you don’t expect though, so for all I know I could end up with an Umbreon or a Scrafty instead of anything Dragon related.

          • Ultron

            This must’ve been made before Oshawott was a pokemon

          • Monkeyfuzz

            Is it definitely Hermione then? If not it could just be their OC perhaps?

          • Ultron

            Hm..it might be

          • Pharap

            I’ll check another day if someone reminds me.

          • Pharap

            Most likely.

    • Nickerton

      I tried to find out mine but that site kept sticking :/
      I’ll go try now

      • Monkeyfuzz

        Let us know what you get 🙂 What Pokémon would you like as your Patronus and why?

        • Nickerton

          Oops I got carried away reading the story of Ilvermorny and forgot to post what I got. I got a Basset Hound and I would have liked Noctowl or Phanpy as my patronus because I love owls and elephants.

          • Monkeyfuzz

            Nice. I think both those Pokémon would look really cool as Patronus’. Which houses are you in?

    • Ultron

      A. FUCKING. MOLE.

      I waited 5 years to find out…and I GOT A MOLE. I’m so mad.

      • Monkeyfuzz

        I got a Dragon… I like Moles, I think that’s pretty cool.

        • Ultron

          I’m so jealous. I have no love for moles.

          • Monkeyfuzz

            But they’re so cool… which houses are you in?

          • Ultron

            Gryffindor…(barf)
            and Pukwudgie.

          • Monkeyfuzz

            As a fellow Gryffindor I am most offended.
            I am also Thunderbird.

          • Ultron

            Gryffindor is so overrated. I’m a ravenclaw at heart. The sorting hat has to take what I want into account, somewhere the quiz sorely fails at.

          • Monkeyfuzz

            I guess a bit, if I weren’t Gryffindor I’d be OK with the others though.

          • Monkeyfuzz

            What Pokémon do you think your Patronus would be? Drilbur ;P ?

          • Ultron

            Yeah…not a very exciting pokemon.

          • Green

            Earthen begs to differ

          • Ultron

            Ugh, I know.

          • Monkeyfuzz

            What would you choose instead?

          • Ultron

            Well I think a fox fits my personality better so then I guess like either ninetails, zoroark, or delphox would be my pokemon patronus

          • Monkeyfuzz

            What about Alolan Ninetales? Already pretty much looks like a Patronus.

          • Ultron

            Maybe, I do like its design.

    • Lopunny would be mine, but maybe that is just because it is my favorite. I took the quiz and got a wolf! I like wolves so yey

      • Monkeyfuzz

        I would have liked Wolf if I didn’t get Dragon, I’m very happy I did though. Loppuny would look really cool as a silvery white Patronus 🙂

        • Patronuses look so cool and pretty. I would love to see a Lopunny one

          • Monkeyfuzz

            Which houses are you in?

          • Ravenclaw for life!

          • Monkeyfuzz

            Nice, I think Ravenclaw would be my most likely if I hadn’t got Gryffindor, but I’d have been OK with any of them as I think I have traits of the others too. I also got Thunderbird for Ilvermorny which sounds cool. Did you sort into Ilvermorny?
            What is your wand? Do you like it?

          • I just now made an account so nope 😛

          • Monkeyfuzz

            Oh OK, I’m intrigued to find out now :3

          • Link to the sorting quiz?

          • Monkeyfuzz

            They are on your home page on Pottermore, I think it’s directly below your Hogwarts house and then the wand is at the bottom. I can’t link it as I’ve already been sorted :/

          • I’m Thunderbird.. don’t know what that means though. I didn’t know there was an American wizarding school until now!

          • Pharap

            Sounds like the native American bird thing.

            But because I like jokes:

          • Monkeyfuzz

            I thought of this when I first saw it too 😀 Though not the aweful CG remake, the original puppet version, strings, real human hands and all.

          • Pharap

            I didn’t mind what the remake did to the thunderbirds themselves, the assembly system in TB2’s pods is pretty cool, but I didn’t like their decision to mess with the chracters..

            I mean who decided brains should be Indian? Aside from being unnecessary, that’s a really stereotypical view of Indians.

            As for Kayo, they changed her appearance completely. Promoting her to a full time member of the team I could live with, but they completely changed the character, they might has well have just come up with a completely new name.

            Also Parker is now stuck half way between being a grey haird old man and a baby faced middle-aged guy, and the voice isn’t done very well at all.

            At least they mostly left Penelope alone (aside from altering her hairstyle).

          • Monkeyfuzz

            I just found them really ugly. I like that they can do quite a lot more action stuff but the Original did just great itself. Indian Brains is why I eventually gave up on it, he was just irritating. I don’t know why he’s Indian, and it’s not like I’d have a problem with it if he was originally Indian and much less irritating.
            They needed a strong female character as part of the team, especially to try and reach a wider audience. I don’t like what they did to Kayo though. They could have done it whilst keeping her more similar to how she was or indeed had a new character.
            Parker used to be hilarious to me. I don’t know what it is driving Penelope about now, but it isn’t good.
            I can live with Penelope changing her hairstyle, somewhat easier to do than changing to Indian. Now I’m reminded of the movie Tropic Thunder XD
            I heard they were making a special of Thunderbirds using the original puppet version, not sure if it’s still happening though.

          • Pharap

            They probably choose to do CGI because it’s cheap.

            Yeah, it completely changes his image.
            (And people will probably think I’m being mean to Indians, but the first thing I think of when I hear an Indian accent is cold callers because so many call centres are based in India. If they didn’t have so many call centres, I’d think of the Kumars or characters from soaps.)

            I get they probably needed to promote Kayo to increase viewership, but they didn’t have to completely overhaul the character. They changed practically everything about her.

            (On a side note, (warning, a bit ranty) I hate the term ‘strong woman’ or ‘strong female’. It implies A) strong women are a rare thing and B) there aren’t that many around.
            Also ‘strong’ is a bit vague, there’s no consensus on what classes a character as being strong. By my definition, most if not all female characters in all the cartoons, soaps, dramas etc that I’ve ever watched were strong. Or at the very least, there’s next to none that I would describe as weak.)

            Yeah. I recently watched the film centred around an airship where they hinted at his past as a criminal and it was done beautifully. He was supposed to be a docile man with a questionable past acting as a comic relief, not a grey haired james bond 😛

            Yeah, I don’t like the hairstyle, but it’s acceptable because it’s believeable.

            I started watching Tropic Thunder once but had to stop for some reason 😛

            I doubt it but I hope so. Ventriloquist dummies used to creep me out when I was younger, but for some reason the supermarionation of Thunderbirds never did, which is a testiment to how well it was done.

          • Monkeyfuzz

            Yeah I was just going by the terms used in media. I would have also said strong male character, were it not a common thing in the show already, to describe a character that actually does something pro-active to advance the plot and is a main member of the team, which is how I was viewing the term. I think they just needed to have more main female charactes in general. Didn’t mean to offend anyone :/
            They should have just had a new character, kept Kayo as she was and then had both be there.
            I have friends who are originally from India, so the accent isn’t bothersome to me. The voice they’ve given him is though. That and he’s now even more of a stereotype than before.
            I think Goosebumps made me dislike Ventriloquist dummies, well that kind at least, not fear them though. I’ve always liked puppets. I just saw Kubo and The Two Strings, a beautiful film and extraordinary stop motion work with Puppets, with some CGI blended in. I think this would have been a better way for Thunderbirds to be remade. It is quite time consuming and maybe more expensive than the CGI they are using, but it would look better.

          • Pharap

            Don’t worry, it’s the term I have issue with, not you for using it.
            As the saying goes “hate the sin, not the sinner”.

            If they meant that they could just use the term ‘prominant’, strong sounds to me like they have to be bossy or physically strong, or over the top courageous. I wouldn’t necissarily describe the Tracys as strong, they’re dedicated and brave, but they’re not physically imposing or anything.

            Yeah, if they’d just added a new character I would have been ok with whatever they wanted to do with the character as long as the writing was good and the character wasn’t annoying in any way.

            For example, in the new star wars films, I really like Finn because he’s quite a scaredy cat and doesn’t have many talents, but he’s willing to face his fears and ends up being quite courageous, even if he’s still quite bumbling. Rey on the other hand was a Mary Sue. She can use the force with practically zero training, she knows how to fix practically anything, she has zero fear and practically no other character flaws. I mean, at least with Thunderbirds, they’ve had cases of characters disobeying orders or crashing their thunderbirds.

            I don’t have issues with Indian accents in themselves, it’s just they way it’s done reminds me of the kind you get with call centres, it doesn’t feel natural, it feels forced.

            That’s usually one of the biggest culprits 😛
            I think mine predated my encounter with Slappy.

            I might watch that some time to see what it’s like. I hadn’t heard of it until the other week.

            Yeah, but these TV channels spread themselves too thinly and are afraid of spending money. Look at Doctor Who, the viewership goes up and the BBC cuts the budget instead of pouring more into it.

          • Monkeyfuzz

            I am also in Thunderbird 🙂 The American one was recently revealed by J.K.Rowling and I expect it will be mentioned in the Fantastic Beasts movie.

          • Pharap

            Obviously a ploy to attract/appease more American fans 😛

          • Monkeyfuzz

            Well Fantastic Beasts is set in America which is one of the reasons they were created, but that’s likely a reason too.

          • Pharap

            Yeah, reading the synopsis that’s definately been decided as a way to attract Americans.

            It would have made mode sense to have it in Geneva or Germany since mainland Europe is the origin of a heck of a lot of the more famous magical creature myths. America is more about cryptids and maybe the Native American creatures.

            Which reminds me, it’s odd that the houses are all centred around mythical creatures instead of real ones like in Hogwarts.

          • Monkeyfuzz

            Yeah I had thought that. It’s almost like she was trying to make it seem more especial for them or something. I think Animals Native to America would have been fine. Though I did like the stories behind each Ilvermorny house so I’m OK with them. I wonder if it had been set elsewhere if the houses would have been the same. At least she stuck to 4 houses.

          • Pharap

            She probably is, it’s a very cliché way to cash in on something. I think making it based in Geneva (I have various reasons for picking Geneva) or making it go from country to country would have given chance to add characters from lots of countries to the line-up. Plus it would justify a lot of the creatures being present because of the amounts of forests and lakes and lore originating in europe.

            Yeah, like otters, racoons, bison and groundhogs. Maybe bears or skunks (skunk would be an excellent contrast to badgers).

            If it was elsewhere, they probably would have had local animals. (Though technically Snakes aren’t that common in Britian, and the Lion only makes sense in abstract form)

          • Monkeyfuzz

            I think the main character has travelled around a lot and it just takes place mostly in America, where the Beasts escape his suitcase (going by the trailer).
            I think Armadillo would be a good house Mascot for an American school. Skunk, Bison and Bald Eagle perhaps for the other 3? Or have 5 and add in a Sea creature or Reptile. Things that aren’t too similar, maybe even an insect. I think Australia would have a large Spider as one of theirs for example.
            Also I doubt there’s just one school in all of America.

          • Pharap

            I know, but still, we see more of America in films than anywhere else in the world, I’d like more films set in other places. Like the James Bond films, they travel around a lot. They have a hub, but they travel.

            The Eagle seems really cliché 😛

            Australia: Koala, Platypus, Wombat, Kangaroo (Maybe a bit too cliché? XD)
            Australia has plenty of things that want to kill you.
            Box Jellyfish, Spiders, Snakes, Blue Ringed Octopi…

          • Monkeyfuzz

            I agree, it is the biggest Market for most films unless they are allowed in China though, and Americans love seeing mostly America according to the people in charge of making movies it seems.
            The Eagle is very cliché, and yet I feel it would have gone down very well.
            Australia would just have been really interesting, and a lot of land to hide magical creatures.
            I guess America had a lot more cities when this is set so the escaped creatures would be more problematic.

          • Pharap

            I can believe that. There is a line between patriotism and being self centred, and sometimes it gets very blurry in America.

            Technically the Lion of Griffindor is sort of cliché because it’s a symbol of England, but since Hogwards was hinted as being ‘British’ and was supposedly up in Scottland, it’s a bit more excusable. I still think it’s quite biased of JKR, but to be honest I can’t think of anything else to represent bravery other than a Dragon, and that would be unfair if the others weren’t magical.

            Yeah. The only thing it lacks is forests. (It has forests, but they’re full of very different species to what you typically think of as a forest :P)

            Hrm, maybe. Canada would have been just as good though, I feel.

          • Monkeyfuzz

            A dog could have been used to represent Bravery, there are both cowardly dogs and lions so probably OK. Plus a dog would highly represent loyalty too which is an attribute highly prized in Gryffindor.
            I think Australia would be open to a lot of weird and wonderful magical creatures. And as with other Magical creatures they can be hidden from Muggles.
            I’d have liked Canada. I’m not sure if it was mentioned at all in the books as to where Newt Scamander actually travelled.

          • Pharap

            There may be many cowardly dogs, but there is only one cowardly lion.
            A dog would sort of make sense I suppose, but it seems a bit domestic.
            I did think a stag might make sense because they have the strong horns and fight each other during mating season, but then they tend to flee from humans and are often considered to be a prey animal. Maybe a horse would have been a good choice, used by knights, very trusting, very strong.

            I don’t think it was, he was probably only mentioned as the author of a single book, but thanks to supplementary material like the various video games and analysis books, a lot of the stuff that would have remained on the side ended up in the limelight.

          • What are the houses and what are their deals? I got Slytherin for my house on the Hogwarts house quiz and that was pretty far from the truth -.- I wanna know the American ones… cuz ya know… I’m American

          • Googled them. Probably a Pukwudgie even though that is the worst named of the bunch

          • Monkeyfuzz

            I think I would also be Pukwudgie, I was actually surprised when I got into Thunderbird.

    • PercyEspeon

      I’m not all that interested in making an account to find that out, since I’m not super into the Potter fandom, but I know I would definitely belong in Ravenclaw (with some hints of Hufflepuff, but I value and embody more Ravenclaw than Hufflepuff)

      • Monkeyfuzz

        Yeah I think I have traits of all houses, I think Gryffindor is right for me going on the description, but I think the Sorting hat would consider putting me into the others for a while, too Ravenclaw for the second longest time probably.

        • PercyEspeon

          The main thing with mine is that I value wisdom and creativity, even if I have values of Hufflepuff, and in the source material, the Sorting Hat takes in account what you value, example Hermione valuing bravery more than wisdom hence Gryffindor.
          In a quiz form, it would be hard to take that in account somewhat, so I base it myself.

          • Monkeyfuzz

            Yeah I agree. I think I value Loyalty and protecting others (Bravery) highly so maybe that would win out as Gryffindor for me. I think they’ve done fairly well within the limits they have. I’ve seen a lot of people unhappy with where they were sorted though.

        • Ultron

          A hatstall, eh?

          • Monkeyfuzz

            I feel like I’d be there for hours :/

    • Pharap

      I must admit I think it’s ironic that JKR decided to go ahead with the house thing.

      She implies Voldemort’s mud-blood and muggle hating thing is racist/classist, but the house system (which is effectively a class system based on people’s personalities/skills/traits) is apparently fine. 😛

      • Monkeyfuzz

        And it’s all decided based on who they are when they’re 11. At least none of the houses are meant to actually be bad, even if people in them turn that way.

        • Pharap

          Exactly. I’m an almost completely different person from when I was 11.

          That’s true, but you’ll always get rivalries and bickering with house systems, it’s one of the reason most schools in Britain scrapped them decades ago. We’re still grouped semi-randomly for practical reasons (class sizes) but each group has nothing attributed to it other than maybe a year number and a letter to make the class I dentifiable. At least that’s how it was when I was in school.

          • Monkeyfuzz

            Yeah, but I think that’s maybe part of the point, Hogwarts keeps up certain traditions from it’s origins, houses being a pretty major part of it, and their attributes being an important part of them. Kids argue etc anyway, it does perhaps give them more reason though.
            We had houses for P.E I think, don’t think it affected much, I don’t remember though.

          • So it’s like “we always had this before, it’s not killing people, we don’t see any reason to change it” or something?

          • Monkeyfuzz

            Quite possibly. Though I’d have thought if so many turned bad from Slytherin they’d change it up a bit.

          • Pharap

            “It’s not killing people”
            *shrine in the sewer dedicated to one of the house icons in which dark magic takes place*
            *mudblood hating cult into which members of one house are inducted*

            Remind me again how it’s not killing people…

    • TheHipsterRowlet

      Oooh! Mine is a Wild Rabbit. I don’t feel like it fits me though :/ As for a Pokemon Patronus, I think Vaporeon would be mine C:

      • Monkeyfuzz

        Apparently Patronus are often what you wouldn’t expect. I got Dragon which actually I think suits me quite well. That, Wolf, some form of Monkey, a Tiger or some sort of Bird of Prey would also work for me. Vaporeon is a nice choice, I imagine it as a silvery white Patronus, dashing around, melting into water and reforming as it goes.

  • Pharap
    • Green

      SPHERICAL!!!

      • Pharap

        I could go on for days.
        Voltorb, Electrode, Poliwag XD

        • Green

          Grouse, Graveler, Golem, Gastly

          • Green

            Geodude

          • Pharap

            Grouse?

          • Green

            It’s Geodude in Autocorrect language

          • Pharap

            Computers > Phones XD

          • Green

            True, but as I said, I’m not home

  • Pharap
    • Pharap

      Oh dear god, I just realised the pun.
      I’m doing badly today. ; n ;

    • -______- /

    • JKR had to confirm that this wasn’t an actual patronus you could get in the quiz on Twitter

      • Pharap

        Golden.

    • Monkeyfuzz

      I don’t like Harambe jokes, at all.

      • Pharap

        I didn’t intentionally go looking for it, I just found it.
        At least the context makes sense, most jokes just shoehorn it in.

        • Monkeyfuzz

          I barely see them as jokes to be honest. But yes I appreciate the relevant context of this one. J.K.R has also seen it apparently. Don’t think she was too impressed.

  • EarthenWarrior

    what’s all the hubub

    • Pharap

      I’ve been posting memes again and Monkeyfuzz has got everyone talking about Poke-tronuses.

  • Pharap

    I need one of these, I don’t care if it’s a bit girly:
    https://www.etsy.com/uk/listing/224277233/mega-evolution-pokemon-glow-in-the-dark?ref=shop_home_active_28

    And one of these:
    https://www.etsy.com/uk/listing/220495346/zelda-heart-container-glow-in-the-dark?ref=shop_home_active_1

    And maybe one of these:
    https://www.etsy.com/uk/listing/223990861/peeking-cat-purple-glow-in-the-dark?ref=shop_home_active_11

    P.S. Etsy is a black hole, please do not visit unless by accident. And don’t blame me if you get stuck there.

    • EarthenWarrior

      the first two are pretty cool
      the last one was hella girly

      • Pharap

        I like cats. When the humans die the cats will take over. They’ve already siezed 40% of the internet.

    • I want both of the first two. Please. Now

    • Monkeyfuzz

      They look pretty splendiferous to me, especially the first one.

  • Natsu
    • Ultron

      I seriously hate everyone.

      • Pharap

        Why?

        • Ultron

          My patronus is the fucking lamest one you could get. Other than maybe a mouse. It’s not even a niffler, it’s a plain old dumb mole.

          • Pharap

            Moles are (almost) blind and eat worms…

            Erm…

            No, I have no words of encouragement.
            You should have lied to get a better result XD

          • Ultron

            Pottermore has been a flaming pile of shit for a while now anyway. And it’s impossible for the quizzes to be that accurate considering there are questions that you won’t always be asked.

          • Pharap

            Yeah.
            If I were in charge I would have tried to work it out partially mathematically (i.e. tracing every possiblitiy) to see if there’s anything that didn’t ring true.

          • EarthenWarrior

    • TheNintendoChip

      I got a White Swan! Is there any significance what your Patronus actually is?

      • Pharap

        Quite probably, but I have no idea how to find out what that woudl be.

      • Monkeyfuzz

        Not that has been stated as far as I’ve seen. I think there are a lot of possibilities so they don’t have descriptions which is a shame. This is the only page for them I could see https://www.pottermore.com/writing-by-jk-rowling/patronus-charm

  • Ithsme

    Just finished Lockstin’s theory. I love these, but I feel like watching them will make my hopes too high.

    • Ithsme

      Accidentally submit before finishing. Whoops.
      ———
      His whole idea about what will happen is really farfetch’d, but exciting nonetheless. Though I think it’ll be more tame than that, I LOVE the idea of a totem battle with arceus where he summons other Legendaries. Now that’d be a good final battle!

  • oh….. when was this knife plunged into my feels?

    https://i.redd.it/8kgwmm7783nx.gif

    • Ithsme

      Should be Pyroar or Solgaleo. 😛

      • but its cuuuuuutee

      • Pharap

        Solgaleo will come, they need the models first.

      • Monkeyfuzz

        Or Luxray maybe, heck even Persian or Arcanine would make more sense XD

  • EarthenWarrior

    A BROWN OWL?
    I thought i’d be a Bear or an 18 Wheel Pickup truck or something manly

    • Ultron

      As your patronus?

      • EarthenWarrior

        yes

        • Ultron

          Let’s trade. Mine is more up your alley.

    • Monkeyfuzz

      I think Owls are really cool. And the way the silently fly up to their prey is quite something. Maybe your owl has a great big bushy brown feathered Owl beard?

  • Iron Man Squad

    FAKE?

    • Pharap

      What’s fake?

    • DOES BRUNO MARS IS GAY?

      • Pharap

        • Monkeyfuzz

          Love that programme 🙂 Cheezoid could be a Pokémon.

  • EarthenWarrior

    alright i think i need some offline time…..i was playing wow literally all day today and got to 107 on my mage

  • Green

    Look at what I came across while looking in the survey. Looks like we’re off to a good START! (Refresh) https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/898c2510d6235413ae8ba5b0171408bd5010bb10b1d8463d7cc2e30bac2c18a9.jpg

    • EarthenWarrior

      ….what am i eyeballing now?

      • Sunny

        The Gender ratio of starter Pokemon.

      • Green

        87.5:12.5 The ratio of the Starters Male:Female

        • EarthenWarrior

          so? it’s predominantly male

          • Green

            I just made a joke…

          • EarthenWarrior

            well it was boring and confusing
            D–

          • Green

            It’s not confusing if you’re a fan

          • it’s the results from his survey and it was just a funny coincidence

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      On topic: I just realized that Beldum is genderless. That’s pretty clever actually!

      • Green

        The Print Screen on my laptop does not work…

        • Pharap

          You probably need to also press the fn key at the same time.

          • Green

            I’ve tried. It’s a really broken thing tho. I need to keep the charger plugged in.

          • Pharap

            If all else fails, autohotkey.

      • Green

        People might get salty if I don’t have the Beldum option

        • Being Non-Binary makes “what is your gender: Male Female” Questions a pain

          • Green

            Or being dead or a god

          • Green

            (Shedinja and Legendary Pokemon)

          • Ithsme

            This is something I don’t understand. I mean, even if you are in a transitional period, you’re going to end up one or the other, so why is this such a hard choice? Just go with the one you’ll end up being.

          • Green

            Some people with Indeterminate gender exist

          • Ithsme

            Then just go biological to make things easier. You need to at least call yourself something for public matters.

          • PercyEspeon

            From what I can understand (you can correct me, I’m here to learn), it’s more of an identity thing. Some people just feel like they are neither or both. They can’t just pick one because that’s not who they are or what they represent.

          • Ithsme

            I see it this way. If you feel one way over the other, go for it, I don’t have a problem with it, but if you really don’t know either way, then just go biological to make things simpler. This whole situation baffles me, but then again I’ve never gone through such a predicament.

          • It’s a bit more complicated than that. The whole thing is that you aren’t one or the other. You are neither in your mind. So if you go biologically, then it still isn’t right

          • Ithsme

            You don’t have to believe it or think it’s correct, but you should have one to fall back one. I mean, what bathroom do you use? What do you fill out on surveys? If you don’t have an identity, you still need to use one, right?

          • That’s kinda the tricky part.

          • Pharap

            Personally I see no reason for bathrooms to be sexed anyway. Having separate rooms for adults and children maybe, but I’ve never understood why we have male and female bathrooms.

          • Ithsme

            I mean, that’s a different issue.

          • Pharap

            It’s related since it would solve a problem.

          • Agree 100%

          • Pharap

            When I was younger I thought it was just to stop people trying to have sex in toilets, but then I realised it wouldn’t stop gay people trying to do it, so if that was the intention it’s a flawed approach.

            Then I just concluded nobody really knows why, it’s just what everybody’s used to.

          • TheNintendoChip

            This is the same reason why I don’t see why dorms need to be separated by gender lol

          • Pharap

            I’d never thought about that (probably because I’ve only ever been in a dorm twice, each for the space of a week).

            The only reason I can think of is some convoluted idea to reduce the number of teenage pregnancy rate.

            I must admit, if boys and girls didn’t have all these slight things separating them, I’d probably have had more female friends over the years.

          • TheNintendoChip

            It’s pretty stupid, considering most of my friends who are dating end up just sleeping in their partner’s dorm anyways. But I agree, that it serves as a way to separate people by gender. Which is bad for me because most of my friends tend to be girls.

          • Pharap

            Exactly.

            I wish I had a more balanced set of friends.
            I’ve literally only got one female friend.
            It’s partly to do with choosing to go into video game design and computing. I really don’t get why so few applicants are females, there is literally nothing stopping them.

            (Minor rant inbound)
            In both my game dev class and my computing class we had one female, and they were treated no different to any one else. The second one was at least 5-7 years older than everyone else and had different interests but we still had lots of conversations with her and helped her in the same way we helped each other.
            The first one was a different case, but that was to do with her personality. One day she spent the day in the cafeteria just because it was her birthday. She was very fickle with who she liked, and one time she was supposed to be in charge of a group project and she basically just went and did her own thing and blanked everyone whilst the rest of us went out of our way to organise stuff and work on the project.

            As for my psychology class. about 10-20 females, only 2 males (including myself) and in the entire year only 1 of the girls ever attempted to make conversation with me.

            I just don’t understand the world sometimes.

          • Pharap

            I really hate slipping into these sorts of issues, but I’ll say something anyway because there’s no avoiding it now.

            This is one of the reasons I don’t like the whole issue.

            To me, male and female is just biology, I don’t see the need to bring it into matters of personality or identity.
            My hair is brown, my eyes are brown, they don’t affect who I am as a person.

            The way I see it, the issue doesn’t stem from aligning oneself to a certain ‘gender’ or no ‘gender’, it’s the stereotypes people assign to others.

          • Ithsme

            This is how I feel. I mean, you can be a feminine male, or a masculine female, without changing your gender.

          • True, but at a certain point, some people just know that they aren’t male or not female. It’s very distinct when you experience it

          • Ithsme

            The whole situation would be a lot easier if what pharap said was true; limit it to biology. It doesn’t effect who you are, he’s right. It’s not like people are changing their eye color because it suddenly doesn’t fit their personality.

          • Pharap

            Technically some people try to change their hair and eye colours with dyes and contact lenses, but I think that’s more to do with (can’t think of the word) that appeancy thing. The thing where people hold their appearance in high regard. My brain is dying because it’s 4am.

          • PercyEspeon

            I dye my hair because I love red hair on me, not because I hold my appearance in high regard. I’ve never viewed myself as super beautiful or even aspired to be that way

          • Pharap

            In a way you’ve proved the point.
            You don’t hold your appearance in high regard, but you did it because you wanted to change your appearance to something more preferable, not to affect or reflect who you are as a person.

          • Gender is weird. It’s hard to understand if you don’t struggle with it. The problem comes in when you really can’t just pick one or the other. And while a lot of what we perceive as male and female are stereotypes, some of that still pertains to it. It’s more of feminine and masculin I guess. It really all comes down to identity

          • Pharap

            If it’s just a choice of being feminine or masculine, I’d perceive those as just being badly named aspects of personality (and when I say aspects, I am trying to imply that there are many aspects, of which masculinity and femininity are just a few).

            It’s like how nobody is truly good or truly evil, we are all capable of both.
            Biology will always be a lottery, but personality is developed over time with both biology and personal experience influencing things.

            I don’t know how many other people view it that way though.

          • PercyEspeon

            I sort of feel the same, but I’m also a person that’s like ‘you do you’. I’ll never understand what it’s like to go through it first-hand, but gender is a mix of a lot of things and is subjective. Gender is a part of your identity, what you are. And I don’t think comparing physical features are exactly equivalent, but hey, if we all thought the same, the world would be kind of boring.

        • EarthenWarrior

          i could care less, i find all this newage genderism extremely annoying

          • Green

            No one asked you tho….

          • EarthenWarrior
          • Why? No one is forcing you to change your gender or anything. It is simply people being able to be open about themselves. Some people don’t feel like Male or Female and that’s okay.

          • EarthenWarrior

            i don’t got a problem with people with their genders, but when you start dragging all the annoying identifying as this whatever or cis this cis that
            it just gets so tiring
            and they talk my ear off with abunch of nonsense

          • Who is? People don’t exactly going around parading their gender around.

          • Ithsme

            Hahaha . . . Well . . .

          • Ok for the most part. Unless you’re on a really toxic part of tumblr you wont be seeing people come up to you just to say their Non-binary or anything

          • TheHipsterRowlet

            Preach!!!

          • Ithsme

            They might not per se, but it bothers me how a lot of people get offended at anything and everything about this. It’s super annoying.

          • EarthenWarrior

            yep

          • Yeah I can sort of see where you’re coming from. The reason is that people with differing gender identities tend to have to be defensive about it and sometimes that goes a bit far. Since alot of misconceptions are out there and alot of nonacceptance, it’s just getting defensive. Doesn’t mean it’s always justified, but just good to understand I guess

          • EarthenWarrior

            Member the whole target boycott because of transgenderism

          • Uhg… Don’t remind me. Humans can be defensive creatures. Lack of education is what sadly causes prejudice. The fear that a transgender person will rape some little girl is practically an imaginary crime

          • Ithsme

            The whole thing confuses me tbh. I was always taught that gender is what’s in your pants (I hope that was subtle enough), but suddenly there’s all this controversy. I guess it’s difficult for me to understand because I’ve never personally gone through it or known someone who has.

          • lol, you actually do know someone believe it or not. Gender identity and sex are seperate things. Your sex is what is down there and your gender is in your mind. It is something deep down you just know. Transgender people’s identity does not align with their genitals which is why they transition

          • Ithsme

            Yes, this is my confusion. It’s a transition isn’t it? Meaning that you should end up as one or the other? Then that’s who you are, or at least that’s who you should tell people you are, right?

          • Well Non Binary people tend to just be gender neutral. They wear at could go for either of mix clothes and things that are generally considered for one gender of the other. It varies as there are different kinds of non binary such as Demi-boy/girl

          • Ithsme

            Well then who do they tell people they are? I realize you said that’s the tricky part, but I mean, won’t you eventually end up one way or another?

          • TheNintendoChip

            I think this is where “preferred pronouns” come into the mix. Apart from the ones I don’t understand, I’d assume that they can just have people refer to them with gender-neutral pronouns: They, them, their, etc.

          • Ithsme

            That’s all fine and well, but modern society almost requires one or the other, so how do they choose?

          • Well the question probably doesn’t come up much but probably just Non Binary. The reason a lot more stuff is having other boxes on forms and surveys and stuff like that is to accommodate these people who can’t go with one. I’m sure if an NB person was in a more dangerous spot they would just say one to be safe, but yeah, just go with neither

          • Ithsme

            Hmm. Complicated situation, that’s for sure. Well, thanks, I’ve learned a little more about this today! 🙂

          • Thanks for being willing to learn!

          • Pharap

            I always take boxes on forms to mean ‘biologically’. I feel sorry for people with Klinefelter syndrome and XYY syndrome.

          • Ithsme

            Also I don’t know that many people, and I think I’d be able to tell if my friends or family was going through this.

          • I meant me 😉

          • Ithsme

            Oh, sorry! xD

          • Lol, no it’s okay! I didn’t really make it obvious 😛

          • Pharap

            (I’m guessing that was a thinly veiled hint towards one of the members here. I have two in mind, but I won’t ask who, a simple confirmation or denial would suffice)

          • Look a couple comments down :3

          • Pharap

            I only just got there.
            That was my first guess, you haven’t exactly been that secretive about it.
            Or maybe you have, I dunno, I have a habit of noticing things – it’s a gift, and a curse.

          • Lol. What gave it away? This entire conversation?

          • Pharap

            No, you’ve hinted at it every few days or so (or at least it feels that way). I just don’t like making assumptions so I ignored it. Besides, what would I even say? Asking outright would be rude and it doesn’t really make any difference.

            Ok, maybe it would have made it easier to form a mental image of you (for most people I just get stuck with some 3D variation of their avatar or a cluster of 2D images, and if I don’t know gender I guess and get it right 80-90% of the time.), but otherwise it wouldn’t have made any difference.

            (Out of interest my second guess was Fae, partly because of the whole argument thing, but in hindsight that wouldn’t have made sense anyway. Damn plotholes.)

          • EarthenWarrior

            what if you have a live lobster in your pants?

          • Ithsme

            Then you’ve got bigger problems on your hands.

          • EarthenWarrior

            least i got a lobster

          • Ithsme

            That’s always a plus.

          • Pharap

            *winces*

          • Pharap

            They should just explain it nicely and if people disagree or dismiss them, then just forget about it. Getting defensive about it and tearing into someone isn’t the way to sway them into sharing one’s beliefs.

          • Pharap

            Yeah, that argument between me and Fae that I mentioned started just because I used the word ‘transexual’ instead of ‘transgender’.

          • Ithsme

            Ah, gotta be careful.

          • Pharap

            People do go parading their sexual orientation around though (literally).
            So it’s possible that one day ‘non-binary pride’ might be a thing.

            I think it’s counterproductive to emphasise our differences instead of what we have in common. This is why I like food festivals, everyone has to eat, even if they don’t like the same foods.

          • Ithsme

            I agree completely with this.

          • I see this common complaint about gay pride parades and I understand it a bit.

          • Shoot didn’t finish. I see it more as a not being ashamed of who you are. Because while it is much much better than it was, there is still a lot of discrimination against LGBT people.

          • Pharap

            I’m ok with them not being ashamed, but they could do so modestly rather than marching around in bright colours singing it to everyone.

            There is, but you’ll never erradicate it completely and holding big colourful events isn’t the way to sway people. If anything it’s probably giving some people a reason to dislike them more.

            I’ve met various gays over time, but I’ve always had more respect for the ones that aren’t very camp and don’t go out of their way to make it blatently obvious. I have the same feeling about heterosexuals though, people who go out of their way to flaunt the fact they’re in a relationship or they’re trying to pick-up guys/girls annoy me just as much. That might have come out a bit awkward because it’s hard to explain, but hopefully I’ve sort of explained it.

            Kind of unrelated but I feel like saying it anyway, when I was trying to think of ways to express what I wanted to say, I ended up thinking of Paul O’Grady. I like Paul O’Grady, he’s a funny guy.

          • I kinda get it. I don’t think there is a right answer to it though. Heck, a lot of LGBT people will agree with you. I think it just comes down to how you live your life

          • Pharap

            I know, like I say I’ve met a few in my time.
            It will always bother me though, because no matter how I look at it it always feels like it’s excluding heterosexuals.

            I feel like they should just have a relationship/sex parade or something, and have stuff celebrating both (or technically all 3, I think) equally, alongside. I still wouldn’t want to go, but at least I’d feel that they’re trying to encourage equality instead of special treatment.

            I’d also like civil partnership to be offered to heterosexuals too, partly for the sake of fairness, but also because I don’t like the religious connotations of marriage.

    • Pharap

      I’ve had the form sitting half finished on a tab since you first proposed the thing 😛

      • Green

        I’m not starting any time soon so take your time

    • SpectralSeraph

      I was tempted to enter Beldum as my gender

      • Ithsme

        Me too, but I didn’t want that to effect my picture. xD

        • SpectralSeraph

          Agreed XD
          Don’t wanna TAKE DOWN a chance eh?

          • Ithsme

            Haha. xD

  • Green

    My Patronus is a Chow Dog. I was hoping for something else, but at least it’s not boring like a deer or a lion

    • Ithsme

      I forgot exactly, but mine was Iberian (it wasn’t that but it sounded like that) dog.

      • Green

        Siberian Husky?

        • EarthenWarrior
          • Green

            I’m getting a Pomsky when I’m older

          • EarthenWarrior

            i has a pug….
            My sweet baby Beatrice

          • Green

            Pugs are cute. If I had one I’d call it Root Beer.

          • EarthenWarrior

            i was gonna name it either Bing or Richie if male

          • Green

            The other side of Earthen. When he’s around his pug

          • EarthenWarrior

            And lay a single Atom of DNA on her, i will beak every bone in your body and uses the fragments to puncture all major organs and third thing!

          • Ithsme

            Aww lucky, I have a mix names Pepper.

          • Ithsme

            Named pepper.

        • Ithsme

          I don’t think so. I remember it started with and “i” and was called “dog”.

          • EarthenWarrior

            why be a human when you could be something cooler with fangs and claws

      • Monkeyfuzz

        Ibizan Hound perhaps?

        • Ithsme

          They called it Ibizan dog, but yeah!

          • Monkeyfuzz

            Oh OK, odd they wouldn’t call it Hound. Unless they are 2 distinct species.

    • Spetsnaz

      Mine is a wood mouse..

      • Green

        Wow

      • EarthenWarrior

        that oddly gives me the idea of a Wooden Mouse Carving/charm that shrinks the user……
        My brain’s in fantasy mode….

        • Spetsnaz

          I approve

          • EarthenWarrior

            now i want to make a whole series of Druidic Charms
            Bear=Strength
            Hawk=Gliding
            Monkey=Climbing
            Mouse=Size Reduction
            Horse=Stamina
            Rabbit=Speed
            Fox=Stealth
            Wolf=Healing
            Dragon=Breath of fire

          • EarthenWarrior

            My bran is working….
            An indie game about a young Druidic Girl in some kind of bizarre world of fantasy and nature trying to find her way
            The Girl can harness these mystical animal charms to grant her amazing abilities to help her
            alongside a powerful Warrior and a mystic who help her on her journey to save nature……

          • Is this an RPG or a metroidvania?

            Also it sounds like Supergiant Games’ upcoming title, Pyre.

          • EarthenWarrior

            I want like a 3D Fantasy RPG with platforming
            Kinda like Quest 64 but really heavy storytelling of a lost girl who stumbles onto a magic world where nature is the most important thing and some kind of evil presence is soiling it and causing the grand life force to fade
            And unsurprisingly the girl discovers powerful ties to the world and magical maguffins yadda yadda cliche but a crowd pleaser

      • Monkeyfuzz

        “Never forget, though, that one of the most famous Patronuses of all time was a lowly mouse, which belonged to a legendary young wizard called Illyius, who used it to hold off an attack from an army of Dementors single-handedly. ” from the site, so could be pretty good 🙂

        • EarthenWarrior

          then a bird swoops in and devours the mouse

          • Monkeyfuzz

            It’s a Patronus so it’s probably fine.

    • Pharap

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      http://www.pokemon-sunmoon.com/media/uploads/june_2_assets/promos/promo-solgaleo.jpg

    • Monkeyfuzz

      They’re kind of like little fluffy Lion dogs right?

      • Green

        Yeah. They’re better than lions because fat

        • Monkeyfuzz

          I like them, they look like they malt a lot though and I’d probably have a sneezing fit from metres away :/

    • Green
  • EarthenWarrior

    Everyone talking about genderism while i’m sitting here watching looney toons

    • Green

      Not EVERYONE.

    • Ithsme

      I’m just trying to understand here.

      • You’re already ahead of some people 🙂

        • Ithsme

          It seems I have far to go. xD

    • Spetsnaz

      When it comes to that stuff, I have my opinion, others have different opinions, talking about it really only makes problems no matter what

    • Pharap

      I don’t like getting into it either.
      This is supposed to be a place for pokemon stuff after all.

      • Green

        It started with Beldum…. so….

        • Spetsnaz

          I feel this a metaphor for genderless, cause it’s, you know, gender less haha. I don’t know why anybody would want to be a beldum, when you’re fully evolved, you’re combined with 3 others to make up the whole…

          • Wait, I thought Metang was 3 Beldum and Metagross was 5…

          • EarthenWarrior

            that’s absurd
            two Beldum form a Metang and two Metang form a metagross

        • EarthenWarrior

          IT MUST BE PUNISHED
          STONE IT TO DEATH

  • Green

    By the way. Star Wars is on TNT for the next few days if you’re interested

    • Obvious follow-up: which ones?

      • Green

        Well. Tuesday was The Phantom Menace (Garbage), Yesterday was Attack of the clones (Trubbish), Today (When I care) Revenge of the Sith, Tomorrow A New Hope, Saturday The Empire Strikes Back and Sunday Return of teh Jedi

        • Ah good, no reason to rush home today then. Maybe tomorrow.

          • Green

            I like Revenge of the Sith. 3rd best one IMO. Order Greatest to Least: 5, 7, 3, 6, 4, 1, 2

          • Is it really good or is it only because Anakin got chopped up?

            Well I never watched the prequel trilogy but I guess I should look into Revenge sometime if it’s possibly better than 4 and 6…

          • Green

            3 is good because Obi-Wan was awesome in it. General Grievous was in it. Less JarJar than the others. Great Fights. I would put 4 and 6 before 3 if it weren’t for the listed things. Don’t watch 1 and 2 unless you REALLY wanna (like I did). You’re just wasting 3 hours.

          • Cool, thanks!

  • EarthenWarrior

    well the day grows to a close and i’ve done nary a productive thing all day
    the hour is high and i soon shall retire
    a interesting ting in my wake

    • Green

      Quakespeare at his best

      • EarthenWarrior

        i like that, i decided not to kill you, for now

        • Was Green planned to be assassinated?

          • Ithsme

            He’s got too much power around here, he’s a threat to us.

          • Green

            D:

          • Ithsme

            That smug Exeggutor says it all.

          • Green

            *hides tail*

          • Green

            Yeah. I’m wanted in 87 countries

          • What was the crime?

          • Ithsme

            Genocide. Lots of it.

          • Green

            LIES!

          • Green

            *hides tail AND knife*

          • Ithsme

            Those faces looks crazy enough to do that.

          • Green

            They do it and blame it on the tail

          • Exeggutor tails become like Slowpoke tails only they just eat the fruit…head… Face … Thing

          • Green

            The fruit… Head.. Face … thing eats them first o3o

          • It like, flops all over the place still on the branch. Flops into town and they have to call in a swat team to take it down

          • Green

            I laughed harder than I should have XD
            I can imagine it just flopping all over town

          • Green

            Dishonoring Earthen; Conqueror of Worlds

          • EarthenWarrior

            i have a hit list longer then my arm honey

        • Green

          Thanketh ye for sparing me master.

      • Ithsme

        Let’s start calling him that every time he types something poetic!

        • Green

          That’s what I was going for 😀

          • Ithsme

            Sounds good!

          • Then it is decided!

  • Spetsnaz

    this is gaming related, so I feel it’s OK to ask here, where would I find a basic d&d set and how much should I expect to pay?

    • Green

      I don’t know, but I’d love to play it some day. I’ve been looking for someone who plays it for my entire Middle School… No one yet…

      • I played a bit with my friends in 8th grade but we could never do much since we could only play during 20 minute lunches

        • Green

          Is it easy to understand?

          • Kinda? I sort of just rolled with what ever the DM said. I had a friend make my character too with input from me like the name and race and class and that kind of stuff so most of the confusing parts were already past

          • Green

            I’m gonna try to understand it and then maybe get it for my birthday so I can get my friends into it during the sleepover.

          • Probably good to set up everything before hand and have some ready made characters do they don’t get too bored right away.

          • Green

            Whenever I try to get people to do stuff with me…. they… just… lose… interest…
            I’m good with my friends, but they still don’t have interest in things I try to get them to like. I barely talk to other people because I’m pretty socially awkward…

          • I can sort of relate. It’s pretty frustrating.

          • Green

            But for some reason, I can talk to adults I don’t know just fine.

          • Spetsnaz

            It’s kinda weird thinking everybody’s age here, I feel like everybody is my age when I’m just talking, but there might be people half my age

          • Green

            Hi

          • Green

            I’m a little over half your age.

          • Spetsnaz

            Exactly what I mean haha, it’s weird when you think about it

          • Green

            I never think about it that way tho. I know exactly how old most of you are. (No one is younger than me)

          • Spetsnaz

            I’m pretty sure moving and defensive are around my age, Paul a few years older, and everybody else usually between 20(like earthen and sbinyxatu) and 14you, some others

          • Green

            Well. I’m 13 and so is Poekoko, but he’ll be 14 in a month
            Star is 14 and Kurusu is 15

          • Spetsnaz

            When I was your age I was..playing emerald and diamond ish

          • I’m a little over 1.5x your age…

          • Spetsnaz

            Older than me?

          • Yep. I’m 34!

          • Spetsnaz

            I had no idea! That’s awesome 🙂 I’m glad I don’t have as much a chance of growing out of it, I was always kinda afraid of that honestly…

          • Well I kinda know that phase and instead of growing out of cutesy video games, I grew out of worrying I’d lose my “childhood”. :p

            You’ll get over that, I know I did. Also, when I was 20’s I feel I had to accomplish things quickly because time is running out, but now that I’m 30’s, it’s like, “meh… I’ll get to it”.

          • Spetsnaz

            Makes complete sense. My boss turned 30 in April and he said it was like he just automatically starting not worrying as much about stuff, seems like it’s going to be fun 🙂

          • Spetsnaz

            Hello, me in middle and high school. It wasn’t the most fun going through school, but school is really such a small part of life in reality. Once you’re done and out, it will get a lot easier. Your social things are less awkward, it’s easier to make friends and do things with people you like doing things with. I was super weird and awkward in school, and now I have 13.5 month old twins, a stable, decent paying job, time to dp the things i enjoy alone like writing, and all the fun I could think of having when I was younger. Sorry that that ended up getting really long and weird.

          • Green

            Oh. I don’t have TROUBLE making friends. I’m just friends with people who can relate to me. I’ve got I great little group of 6 people. I love them more than anything in the world (except for family) and I know I don’t get told stuff much, but I hope they love me as much as I love them. I’m always so happy around them.
            But yeah. I have trouble talking to people who I fear might make fun of me.

          • Spetsnaz

            Just imagone them as the internet, then if they make fun of you it’s just YouTube comments, just don’t matter

          • TheNintendoChip

            That’s a fear you need to conquer. Realize that even if someone won’t directly make fun of you, they can still mentally do it. You will never know the difference. Because of this, you have two options: Assume they’ll make fun of you, or not. Because there is no evidence to choose one over the other, you should go with the most optimistic outcome. That is, don’t worry about it, because you’ll never really know.

          • Green

            I mean… It’s not REALLY bad. I talk to people, but just short conversations and then it gets awkward and I or the other person walks away

          • TheNintendoChip

            Ok I had the same problem when I was younger, because I never understood the point of small talk (i.e., just asking them questions, even if you couldn’t care less). But really, it’s necessary in order to have other conversations. For example, you can ask someone how their day is going, and they might tell you about it. From that you know more about them. Let’s say they were worried about an upcoming exam. The next time you meet them, you can ask them about that exam. Small talk gives you material for other conversations.

          • TheNintendoChip

            Man has it been a year already? I remember you announcing that you either had or were expecting twins not so long ago!

          • Spetsnaz

            It’s flown by, seems like yesterday I couldn’t sleep because I knew we were going in for the c selection in the morning. I mean every day and night is really long, but at the same time it Flys by

      • Spetsnaz

        My girlfriend and I are throwing a stranger things halloween party, and I want to get a set for decoration, never played before

        • Oh my god that sounds awesome

          • Spetsnaz

            It’s going to be awesome, there will be pics on Twitter and Facebook the day after haha

      • TheNintendoChip

        You just need to find the right people. There was a squad at my school, a lot of members of which I was friends with. I’d never assume that they played D&D though.

    • Green
    • EarthenWarrior

      I wish online DND was a thing but that would take a lot to arrange

      • I’m so disappointed nobody made that for the Wii U. I’m disappointed that a lot of things didn’t happen for the Wii U though

        • I only really played the Wii U for two games: Mario Kart 8 and Splatoon and it was great. But yeah it could’ve been more.

          • Exeledus

            super Mario maker? smash bros for wii u? wind waker hd/twilight princess hd? wonderful 101? donkey kong country tropical freeze? pikmin 3? bayonetta/bayonetta 2? all of these (well, ive never played a pikmin game so I cant vouch for that) are all considered pretty dang good. in addition to Mario kart 8 and splatoon, this makes a pretty decent library, not to mention all the Nintendo classics on the eshop, and wonderful indie games like shovel knight, and soon, yooka-laylee. we will also have breath of the wild eventually.

        • EarthenWarrior

          I call Dwarven Barbarian

      • Exeledus

        yeah I had a couple friends to play with, I wrote a long campaign, had everyone’s characters ready, found time to play, all of this took months of planning (I even found a good soundtrack to get people in the roleplaying mood) and after all thise months of planning and writing I got a “nah, I don’t really feel like it” after I forked over cash for a monster manual, DM’s Guide, and a nice set of dice and note pads, pencils, hell even snacks. I was soooooo bummed you have no idea.

  • Green

    Bye! 🙂

  • Nick

    Perhaps Marshadow and Magearna are Ultra Beasts.

    • Monkeyfuzz

      Magearna is definitely a Pokémon, too much evidence for it to be otherwise. Marshadow doesn’t sound like an Ultra Beast Designation. But who knows if there even is a Marshadow at this point.

      • Yeah, what if it’s another new game, just like Giga Wrecker?

        • Monkeyfuzz

          Until it’s confirmed in any way it very well could be.

        • Aqualate

          Ehm I think Marshadow was trademarked as a Pokemon name

    • DefensiveBastiodon

      We know Magearna is a man made mechanical Pokémon. We just don’t really know how it lives. Marshadow could be anything really…

    • Green

      I don’t think Magearna will be an Ultra Beast, considering we’ve already seen it in battle and stuff

  • Shady

    Aether was metion in many physical theories and Aristotle made his own.

    check it here http://www.sinequanonthebook.com/AetherHistory.html.

  • Pharap

    I’m going to go now because it’s 5am and there are 71 comments I haven’t read.

  • Lugaroco

    I will call my Lycanroc Midday Selene and Midnight Lucian!

    • Pharap

      Selene was the goddess of the moon though…

  • pokejungle.net | Latest Pokémon Sun & Moon News and Rumors

    POKÉMON. Let’s keep it that way guys. If not, use our forums.

    • Green

      Now I feel horrible for going off the rails so much. Most conversations we had last night STARTED with Pokémon stuff and then we got on the non-Pokemon related stuff.

      • Pharap

        Note for the future: never list Beldum as a gender.

    • Pharap

      That was several hours too late XD

    • Ithsme

      Whoops, sorry about that. It’s a bad habit, I can never stay on track. xD

  • Ben Rhodes

    Theres something off about this Riddler. It seems to be based on what we already know, with the exception of the 2 after Oranguru and Aristotle, and adding new ones AFTER we learn of it, doesn’t help it’s case. Though I admit it’s those 3 that keep this interesting.

    • MelloMori

      keep in mind that this is the “updated chart”. A few weeks ago they posted a chart having a football player/monkey in the passimian slot, and a Chinese general carrying a war fan in the Oranguru slot(who carries the same type of fan). They’ve been posting information since like march, and nothing they’ve claimed has been wrong so far. From the starters, to legendary’s, to the alolan forms, to team skull, to specific details of pokemon that you would only know if you’ve had a long time to see them. Everything about them seems legit.

      • Ben Rhodes

        Thankyou, I appreciate replies that don’t respond to you as if you’re an idiot

      • Rockcrawdaunt

        The football player/ monkey is a direct reference to what I think was the Chinese leaker’s post. Nothing new on that part.

        • MelloMori

          Yes, and that’s the one case of it. As well can you really think of a better way to describe it? Really the only thing I could think of would be giving it a coconut and a foot ball player, but it’s berry itsn’t really clear.

          • Pharap

            Should have matched the other guy and put a Rugby player instead.

    • Aqualate

      Literally none of his clues were posted after a reveal, always prior to them. The first one Litleo and Zubat on April 20th and like a week later we got official reveal of Solgaleo and Lunala. He dropped an image of a cloth with skeleton print, later Team Skull were revealed. He posted an image of inner organs and fists right before Pyukumuku was revealed and the list goes on.

      • Ben Rhodes

        Did I say clues?
        No, I said “Based on what we already know”, by “adding new ones” I meant new pokemon not clues. I’m sorry for being skeptical of things before their confirmed, it must be so nice knowing everything.

  • Aqualate

    I am dealing with a crisis. I really want Aggron on my Alpha Sapphire team, but I don’t know who to switch out for Aron.

    My current team is
    Marshtomp
    Mightyena
    Breloom
    Kirlia
    Swellow
    Vigoroth

    • Mightyena or Vigoroth, likely, due to shared fighting weakness.

    • Green

      I’d switch out Vigoroth

      • Aqualate

        I did Mightyena because I want Slaking before switching it out

    • Reece

      Mightyena or Vigoroth – already have one physical Normal + single Dark isn’t that amazing

  • Green

    I have an idea for a Grass/Fire type. It’s called a Lehua flower and it grows near Volcanoes on Hawaii. It can survive most volcanic fog and smoke. It looks like a bunch of thin red needles. It’s not pointy, but that could definitely be turned into something that looks like fire.

  • So did anyone interpret the Japanese actress one with the anime character (N1)? I could be way off so take the below with a grain of salt. I’m only sure about the actress and the anime character.

    So far I know the actress is Yukie Nakama and the anime character is Yin from Darker Than Black.

    Yin means Silver, she’s got the ability to perform surveillance with water specters she projects. The image itself is from a promo image of Darker Than Black season 2, which is subtitled Gemini of the Meteor.

    Yukie Nakama starred in many movies but what stands out to me is her one anime role listed in Wikipedia. She played a character called Lapis Lazuli in the Martian Successor Nadesico movie, she’s an emotionless lab experiment just like the aforementioned Yin character. (I think.) She’s also a clone of Ruri, the main female character of this series.

    So what’s my prediction? It’s probably an emotionless girl-type Pokemon, who’s either a water spirit or a ghost who’s known for having a twin/clone (so it’s probably a multi-being Pokemon like Weezing or Duosion). Maybe “Alolan Froslass”. I doubt it’ll be gem related.

    • Green

      Lab experiment? A Dark Matter UB, I suppose?

      • I don’t think it’s a UB, but depending on what riddler knows, they are possibly not completely aware if a new design is a UB or Pokemon, so that’s a possibility.

        It’s next to the toucan on the table so it’s likely interpreted as a Pokemon.

  • For N2, just search google for “禅杖” and you’ll see the very image in the image search.

    It has a chinese wikepedia page https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E7%A6%AA%E6%9D%96 that refers to it as a Buddhist Monk’s Staff when google translated (take this with grain of salt). It can also be referring to the monk holding said staff.

    So that’s your next prediction: a monk-like Pokemon holding a staff.

    • Aqualate

      Jangmo-o is placed next to a monk’s face by the riddler. So its evolution is perhaps a staff wielding monk dragon hybrid thing?

      • Sunny

        This list isn’t confirmed to be all the Pokemon in the game. It could be what has been revealed and what will be reveled in pre-release soon as announcements. The Monk staff being next to it does mean it is after Jangmo-o. However it does not imply that it is Jangmo-o’s evolution. There could be like 10 Pokemon between them in the dex and we wouldn’t know.

      • That sounds pretty badass actually!

  • As1992

    Jangmo-o is placed directly next to the monk’s mace which defintely looks like it fits as the theme for an evo, also it only has one space next to it meaning it isn’t the pseudo legend this gen as it only has one evolution?!

    If so I am very happy with that as another dragon pseudo would just be ridiculous at this point.

    • zess

      So a valiant fighting monk dragon? That would be very interesting

      • As1992

        Something like that yes. I really want to like Jangmo-o but if it is this gens pseudo I really don’t think I could, out of principle. Gamefreak’s dragon fetish is so frustating.

        • zess

          I would also like more pseuso’s with more unique typings dragon is getting a bit stale in my opinion.

          • Pharap

            I wouldn’t mind so much if the dragons were more impressive.
            Weird gimmicky ones like Hydreigon, Haxorus, Garchomp and Salamence annoy me.

            I prefer traditional ones like Dragonite, Noivern and Flygon (even though it isn’t a pseudo).

          • As1992

            Not only is it getting stale, but it flies in the face of Gamefreak’s acknowledge that Dragon was OP, yet they continue to introduce OP dragons…

    • Poketard101

      Funny it looks more like a Royal Scepter to me. I was thinking a Royal Knight Dragon evolution. 🙂

    • rhomba

      Honestly, I think Jangmo-o is the pseudo and that the staff/sceptre is a riddle for a completely different pokemon. This is a list not a poxedex.

      • As1992

        Perhaps, but I do feel that there is a lot linking Jangmo-o to a khakkhara (the name of the type of staff) and with Buddhist monks.

        Specifically a khakkhara is known as a sounding staff; this being because it has many metal rings attatched to it which jangle as the monk walks. The purpose of this is to warn away any small creatures that could end up underfoot of a pacifistic monk.

        The jangle aspect in Jangmo-o’s name is also found in several other language names and one it’s abilities is Soundproof. It’s dex info on the site specifically makes it sound like an ascetic monk. I feel there is too much here to be coincidental that a khakkhara is placed right next to Jangmo-o.

        However I do admit Jangmo-o only having one evo is wishful thinking on my part.

  • BLACK IYCE

    I don’t think him not splitting the starter box into two means that they don’t share a split evolution thing with rockruff. The guy’s whole MO is riddles. It wouldn’t be much of a riddle if he had the starter evos we already know about split with a double box. Before we knew about Lycanroc the box for rockeuff’s evolution had a single question mark.

    Also for people saying that he didn’t have a box for cutiefly’s evolution, he seems to give us riddles for NEW pokemon entirely. Not ones connected by evolution. Except in a couple notable cases, like with the starter evo’s and with the island guardians. Everything else is a “riddle”

    Also this list is by no means exhaustive. Meaning there are definitely many more pokemon than he alludes to here

    • Pharap

      It’s not a riddle by not doing it either.

  • Aqualate

    Ubisoft CEO says that the NX is “easy to use” so I guess that means that primary development is done?

  • George Costas

    DAMMIT NYGMA! REVEAL YOUR SECRETS!

    • Pharap

      He has less that he pretends to.

    • Exeledus

      patience, Dark Knight (irritating echo effect)

  • Ah_Q_mah
    • Ah_Q_mah

      Rf

    • TheNintendoChip

      I saw this a while back. Apparently it’s something unofficial soo

      • Ah_Q_mah

        I’d figured as much as it was on Facebook haha

      • Poketard101

        It was a post on the Nintendo guys Twitter account. I saw it there yesterday.

  • Ben Rhodes

    Ok, so I was looking at the Chinese leak, you know the one that is very accurate so far, and noticed that mentioned “Logo Diamond Stones”, which of course would be the Z Stones ones, and it says some of them can cause some Pokemon to change Shape. Which sounds like Mega Evolution in a way.
    I’m wondering if this could be the one wrong thing in that leak, or it hints at something else. However as people have noted to me, is that they think that would overcomplicate things in an already packed game. Which brings us to an issue, is the Leaker that has been 95% Accurate so far right, though we’re not sure if we do create a league, we don’t actually know the end goal tbh, or is this one thing they have wrong? I like the idea, but can see how it would overcomplicate stuff, but thanks to Eevee we do know that not all the Z Stones are used for Attack Moves.
    Also link to this, updated.
    http://i.4cdn.org/vp/1474395329590.jpg

    • TheSunnyMonster6893

      Idk if it would over complicate anything really. People thought that megas would be too complicated of a mechanic since we already had regular evos and it really wasn’t in the end. It’s hard to say something will be over complicated when you haven’t tried it out yet. Plus given that we know next to nothing about the mechanic the leak is talking about and can only guess, it may turn out to be very simple in fact. Only time will tell, but there are plenty of other series that add multiple kinds of transformations already and they aren’t “too complicated” If that was the case you could throw both Mario and Zelda into that category as they have a bunch of different transformations and items that modify their characters. Either way we won’t know until we know and even if it does get complicated I’m sure things will smooth out given time. lol

      • Ben Rhodes

        I only added that bit cause I know what people have said before when I mentioned it as an idea, It’s best to cover bases to avoid a repeat

        • TheSunnyMonster6893

          Gotcha lol

    • Aqualate

      There is another leaker on 2chan (not to be confused with 4chan) who dropped the following:

      -A new mechanic called Z-Forms will be introduced
      -Z-Forms act in a similar way to megas, but when they faint the player automatically loses the battle due to their spirit being connected to the Pokemon (this ties in with Ash-Greninja)
      -Ash-Greninja is a Z-form and will soon be shown off as ”Z-Greninja”
      -Mostly previous gen Pokemon have Z-forms, but some Alola Pokemon have them too
      -Chespin, Fennekin, Froakie, Litten, Popplio, Rowlet and Rockruff have Z-forms (their final evolutions)

      This all can be found on Bulbagarden, and they have classified this particular leak as ”might be credible” instead of instantly fake like they have classified many others.

      • Pharap

        Sounds implausible.

        • Aqualate

          Yep it sounds odd but its the same leaker who mentioned ”boss like Aliens from other dimensions” which clearly are the UBs

      • Ben Rhodes

        I said “Z Greninja” once as an idea, and was shot down about it. Granted I said it was like Mega Evolution, and called it Z Evolution, but still. I think you were one of the ones against it, though there is someone else with that picture.

    • Poketard101

      I’m not sure why people assume that just because the stupid Pokemon appeared in there normal form on the silly Japanese web sight, that they aren’t going to be getting Alolan forms. That proves NOTHING!! And I chose to believe that there are going to be certain Alolan forms (Water Growlith/Arcanine) until its proven (by Nintendo themselves) otherwise.

  • trulymajestic

    so here’s what puzzles me about this.(Not hate just confused)

    1. Why are there so many non-evolving Pokemon?

    2. What are the sprites under the grid suppose to be?

    3. Why are there no new Ultra Beasts despite them saying there will be?

    4. And lastly, if the starters don’t have two forms, whats their secret?

    • Pharap

      1. There aren’t, the Riddler either doesn’t know the evolutions or is purposely withholding them.

      2. Bold = Appeared in a trailer, Grey = Supposedly going to appear but hasn’t yet

      3. Because the Riddler either doesn’t know as much as he pretends to or is purposely withholding stuff to prolong his popularity.

      4. Nobody knows.
      http://www.miriamjoywrites.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/nobody-knows.png

      • ItsYaBoy EastGuzma

        actually the riddler did post 4 evolutions/pre but wont appear till the game is released hence why they arent on the list

        • Pharap

          Evidence?

          • ItsYaBoy EastGuzma

            if u look on the forums like i told u many times

    • TheSunnyMonster6893

      Here’s something to consider when looking at the chart: It’s not a Pokedex so it’s not showing all the Pokemon that are in the games. It’s only a collection of what both he and we know of as far as Pokemon that have been seen. When people complain about how he adds Pokemon to the chart after they are officially revealed it’s kind of dumb as they’re missing the point of the chart. It’s not entirely to make us guess what’s coming next. It’s more so just a collection of what we know or will now in the near future. He may just not have immediate info on everything the games have to offer. that doesn’t mean that he’s not legit. Just means he has a very specific amount of info. We’ll likely get more new Pokemon that have evolutions, we’ll definitely get new UBs, and in my opinion we could expect to see starter evos with split forms. As for the sprites it’s kind of hard to tell. From what I’ve seen the sprites are there to show Pokemon that have been in some way shown in trailers of gameplay. The faded ones being Pokemon that have not yet been shown?

      • ItsYaBoy EastGuzma

        yep thats what they are for the sprites. and he did say Drampa,Bruxish,Mimikyu and salandit belong to a family

    • Exeledus

      well, after watching lockstin’s video, he says he speculates that the starters and rockruff’s secret are that they were used in the creation of type: null. gamefreak did say they wanted the starters to have a small role in the plot this time around.

      • Pharap

        *looks at Null*
        *looks at starters*
        *looks at Rockruff*
        Conclusion: they guy needs to lay off the drugs.

      • ItsYaBoy EastGuzma

        alot of people speculated that

  • George Costas

    we need to get Chinese Batman in on this.

    • Pharap

      Chinese Electric Batman

  • lanmanna

    I wish starter split evos would happen. 🙁

  • Max Linsen

    I want 100+ new Pokémon.

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  • Col Beard

    Just took a look at the imgur file with the bigger pictures and I haven’t seen any posts/guesses about what the remaining riddles could be so I figured I’d take a shot.

    – the anime girl with the silver hair is Yin from darker than black + I guessed the other would then be called yang and a google search for ‘yang -yin’ confirms this -> yin yang pokemon
    – next up is the buddhist monk staff.. So I suppose the mon will be a wise one?

    I’m still wondering what Aristotle could be further, aside from hinting at the ultra beasts.

    • keithmiketom

      Or, Full Kyurem/Original Dragon – as Zekrom/Reshiram/Kyurem are like Yin/Yang/Wuji?

  • xXramsterXx

    So i’m not sure if this has been stated or not about the question marks and hints. It appears that the question marks are in place of Pokemon we can assume will be coming at some point, meaning they aren’t claiming to have seen them like they are with the hints, they’re just saying that it makes sense there will be Pokemon here. Which would explain why there wasn’t a question mark for Turtonator or Cutieflys evo since we couldn’t really assume Cutiefly had a second evo and turtonator appears to be a single stage Pokemon, but with Pikipek we can assume it’s a three stage evo line like every generations starting bird type, a second stage for all the starters is obvious, it’s been stated there will be an island guardian for every island, and we can assume there will be an Alolan Persian.

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  • Madarahim

    I think the Pokemon on the list that are faded away like the Bulbasaur-line and the Horsea-line all get there own Z-forms (Just the Final Evos). I don’t really have a reason other than seeing Porgon-Z and thinking that it kinda makes sense to give it a “Z-form” since Z is in the name lol. I think the rest of the whole list is just the rest of the Alolan Dex, and from that list some have Alolan forms, such as what the leaker said in Arcanine and Alakazam. What do you guys think ??????

  • towelgirl21

    I hope he’s right about the non-split evos for the starters. I doubt Nintendo would do that to us, but this game’s been full of surprises so far. I’d rather them do some sort of Ash-Greninja type thing with the fully evolved starters than have split-evos.

  • incyt

    I’m pretty sure what the faded sprites means at the bottom, the non-faded pokemon can be rode by people, such as charizard, lapras, sharpedo, and the faded ones can’t.

  • Sam

    Has anybody theorized yet on what the heck Darker than black and Nakama Yukie have to do with a new Pokemon?? It has to be something with the names! I know Nakama-san has a single called Moonlight to Daybreak… LOL

  • Mia Cloud Valentine

    im salty on this, it just seems like he’s updating it everytime more info is revealed. plus minior is nowhere to be seen. seriously think this is rubbish and fake. sorry but thats just my opinion

  • Jaemyz

    I really hope Salandit has an evolution. Its a cool concept and type but it will probably end up too underpowered if its a single stage.

  • Fox&Bear

    I believe it’s possible that the aristotle represented on the chart is reference to a character in-game as opposed to a pokemon. Aristotle was a scientist and philosopher, and one of his well-known topics is nature science.

    Perhaps this person in SM is a scientist and studies the nature of pokemon. He became curious and wanted to see if he could replicate certain behaviors and traits and ended up creating the UBs by utilizing both human and pokemon DNA. Thus the faded line between aristotle and UB-1 could not only mean he has a large part to do with them, but that the line between human and pokemon has been blurred.

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  • pokedude westorn

    well there is a dotted line in front of the UB monsters so they aren’t really pokemon like solgaleo or lunalaa are. Also if is were the final line-up, I would be sad because this would be even less pokemon than Kalos. They seem like logical guesses to me, rather than a leak

    • pokedude westorn

      I also think Jangmo-o would have 2 evos. stating he will have one is safe