RUMOR: Chinese Riddler Updates Their Pokémon List

Another Pokémon Sun & Moon reveal, another update from the mysterious Chinese leaker who only gives cryptic clues about Pokémon that will be revealed. This update comes after the reveal of Lycanroc, Passimian and Oranguru and here are some things that I’m noting:

  • The split-form nature of Lycanroc is noted by a divided box, but the final evolutions of the starters are not, suggesting that the secret “shared” by Rockruff and the starters is not version-exclusive evolutionary forms
  • The “Aristotle” Pokémon seems to be connected to UB-01 suggesting that maybe Ultra Beasts will be obtainable similarly to Pokémon… or maybe they even have a Pokémon counterpart?
  • Ultra Beasts do seem to be included right alongside Pokémon in his list, nested right between traditional “legendary” Pokémon

These are just my own personal thoughts after see the grid, I’m just playing along with everyone else trying to figure out what he means 🙂 Have to say… it is kind of fun.

<3 PJ

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    • Actually the faded Pokemon are simply old Pokemon seen in pre-release material other than battle footage, as well as any Pokemon related to those. For instance, Meganium was seen on a t-shirt in an artwork, which is why all the Johto starters are faded. I personally doubt they will be included in the Alola Pokedex, though.

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      • I don’t think that’s it at all. 8 actually 100% think that’s the Pokémon from previous regions in the regional dex. Faded Pokémon have Alola Forms. It would be too obvious if they included the confirmed Alolas on that list so they were removed. Notice Pichu, Pikachu, and Cubone are on the list, but not Raichu or Marowak.

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        • All the faded one were seen as obscured items in past trailers. Also reason Raichu and Marowak weren’t added cause they already are in the game as Alolan forms.

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  1. Maybe the shared feature Rockruff has with the starters are forms depending on Day and Night. Maybe they get new abilities, forms, or powers depending on the time of day.

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  2. jesus christ its like X and Y over again…. we’ll be getting less new pokemon and a bunch of old pokemon rehashes with different typing. Gamefreak pls, can you just make a game with just new pokemon like you did with Black and White?

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  3. I wonder why Gamefreak doesn’t hold contests for fans to submit Pokemon designs. I follow some extremely talented people on Instagram and there are some Deviantart artists that make designs that far surpass those that Gamefreak comes up with. I wish they would do that, that way when their we’ll runs dry they have some 10 or so fan designs they can add.

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    • pokemon we’ve seen in trailers. one form in the line accounts for the rest of the line. starters that are seen include the rest of the three and their lines.

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          • I’ll tell you what I mean. Steelix, Huntail, Lanturn, Whishcash, and Wailord are seen as boats in the docks of an island. Tyranitar, Haxorus was seen in the Battle Royal. Porygon is a blow drier in pokemon refresh. Horsea, Spheal, Lumineon, were seen on that water hotel place. Meganium was a print on a man’s shirt. Slaking is on a billboard for a motel. Electrode is one of Sophocles’ keychains. Gothorita is a shirt design.

          • I’m not saying that doesn’t make sense. I’m saying that until we know for sure, you’re guessing as much as the rest of us. Also, if this guy is supposed to be leaking information, who really cares about what Pokémon appear on clothing and have hair dryers styled after them?

            Also I like Alola Forms so I think it’d be cool to see Johto starters and the Haxorus family get them. 🙂

          • Because this isn’t a riddle. It’s only a complied list of pokemon we’ve seen, so don’t take this particular image too seriously. If anything, only pay attention to the images like the toucan and stuff cause those are the legitimate riddles. These really aren’t guesses. Bulbapedia and I have paying attention to this dude for a good couple of months.

      • Whining means what one’s preconceived ideas of what the series is supposed to be isn’t the same as what the people making it have decided it is and a certain level of refusal to accept that.

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          • Oh no, he’s absolutely right! But it’s also fun to speculate and have expectations 🙂 I don’t think whining equals bashing.

          • I don’t have any problem any changes or additions they’ve ever made to Pokémon. I’ve always been excited or neutral. I have stated that, Arceus forbid, if they reboot Pokémon I’ll stop playing. Which is what I suggest all the people whining about Megas, Alolas, Z-Moves, etc should do. Pokémon is a source of entertainment. If there are irreconcilable changes added to the game and all it’s gonna do is upset you, stop playing.

          • Neither have I 🙂 Been playing since I was a little girl on my pink gameboy color. Love it just as much as an adult. I agree that neutrality is the best way to go with things you really love. However, like I said I don’t think whining equals bashing but that’s just my opinion.

          • Yea I mean I’m surprised no one has gotten on me for whining about whining. lol But the reason I keep coming back on here is because I don’t have too many people to talk to about Pokémon. xD

  4. For those who wondered, this is what the original Chinese leaker has been right on:

    Z-Diamonds
    Pyukumuku
    Lycanroc
    Salandit
    Oricorio
    Mimikyu
    Bewear
    Gumshoos’s design
    Island Challenges

    Other stuff he’s most likely correct on are: Dolphin, snowman, Marshadow’s unique typing and the leaked starter evos names (I only remember Siren for Popplio)

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  5. Sorry because this is a little bit off-topic, but how many more announcements (Coro Coro leaks being distinct from these announcements) do you all think we have left before the game release?
    I think there will be:
    -4 announcements
    -1 Coro Coro leak with information repeated by announcements; November issue.
    -1 Coro Coro leak with its own information that is not shown in the announcements. This will be the December issue.

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  6. this was insanely weird
    last Showdown i fought this guy
    but the very next match i fought WAS THE SAME EXACT TEAM only shiny
    the same pokemon, the exact same set ups, and the exact same amount of annoying (but luckily i won) http://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/ou-442554435
    i can’t tell if it’s uncanny coincidence or that people are just getting really cookie cutter

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  7. Think I found another 4chan leak guys

    I will post the names+types by dexnumber

    >#722 Menemai’a Fairy/Ground

    >#723 Rowlet Grass/Flying

    >#724 Throwler Grass/Flying

    >#725 Bowanowl Grass/Flying (Archer Owl in Sun, Rogue Owl in Moon)

    >#726 Litten Fire

    >#727 Litigre Fire

    >#728 Tigreatest Fire/Dark (Wrestler Cat in Sun, Mobster Cat in Moon)

    >#729 Popplio Water

    >#730 Sirlio Water/Fairy

    >#731 Selkio Water/Fairy (Siren in Sun, Merman in Moon)

    >#732 Pikipek Normal/Flying

    >#733 Pakapecker Normal/Flying

    >#734 Peckadrill Steel/Flying

    >#735 Grubbin Bug

    >#736 Charjabug Bug/Electric

    >#737 Vikavolt Bug/Electric

    >#738 Rockruff Rock

    >#739 Lycanroc Rock (Wolf in Sun, Werewolf in Moon)

    >#740 Komala Normal

    >#741 Narcolyptus Normal

    >#742 Yungoos Normal

    >#743 Gumshoos Normal

    >#744 Cutiefly Bug/Fairy

    >#745 Honeebee Bug/Fairy

    >#746 Togedemaru Electric/Steel

    >#747 Mimikyu Fairy/Ghost

    >#748 Mimikmii Fairy/Ghost

    >#749 Mudbray Ground

    >#750 Mudsdale Ground

    >#751 Drakid Normal/Dragon

    >#752 Drampa Normal/Dragon

    >#753 Draggone Ghost/Dragon

    >#754 Impailmint Fairy/Poison

    >#755 Dwarvour Fairy/Poison

    >#756 Bounsweet Grass

    >#757 Sweetreet Grass/Fairy

    >#758 Bounsour Poison/Ghost

    >#759 Comfey Fairy

    >#760 Fomantis Grass

    >#761 Lurantis Grass

    >#762 Stufful Normal/Fighting

    >#763 Bewear Normal/Fighting

    >#764 Passimian Fighting

    >#765 Champanzee Fighting/Ground

    >#766 Pongoru Normal

    >#767 Oranguru Normal/Psychic

    >#768 Salandit Fire/Poison

    >#769 Burnadit Fire/Poison (Female Only Evolution)

    >#770 Impailmint Fairy/Poison

    >#771 Dwarvour Fairy/Poison

    >#772 Minior Flying/Rock

    >#773 Rockateer Flying/Rock

    >#774 Oricorio (Four Forms) Fire/Flying, Electric/Flying, Ghost/Flying, Psychic/Flying

    >#775 Sandyghast Ghost/Ground

    >#776 Palossand Ghost/Ground

    >#777 Tikiki Grass

    >#778 Tikiking Fire/Grass

    >#779 Stingalil Electric/Poison

    >#780 Stingowar Electric/Poison

    >#781 Bruxish Water/Psychic

    >#782 Bruxugg Water/Psychic

    >#783 Wishiwashi Water

    >#784 Crabrawler Fighting

    >#785 Clawber Fighting/Water

    >#786 Pyukumuku Water

    >>

    >#787 Turto Fire/Dragon

    >#788 Turtonator Fire/Dragon

    >#789 Firebawl Fairy/Fire

    >#790 Impcinerator Fairy/Fire

    >#791 Misstryst Fairy/Dark

    >#792 Whipskers Normal/Steel

    >#793 Catonines Dark/Steel

    >#794 Slusha Ice/Poison

    >#795 Snowno Ice/Poison

    >#796 Morelull Grass/Fairy

    >#797 Pixilull Grass/Fairy

    >#798 Toxilull Poison/Dark

    >#799 Magehopper Bug/Psychic

    >#800 Dolphun Water/Fairy

    >#801 Pixon Fairy/Dragon

    >#802 Magix Fairy/Dragon

    >#803 Houdinee Normal/Ghost

    >#804 Lightup Fire/Electric

    >#805 Lampurn Fire/Electric

    >#806 Rapturn Rock/Poison

    >#807 Velocix Rock/Poison

    >#808 Anklohm Rock/Electric

    >#809 Anklohmode Rock/Electric

    >#810 Wimpod Bug/Water

    >#811 Shrimpod Bug/Water

    >#812 Champod Water/Flying

    >#813 Type: Null Normal

    >#814 Tapu Ahihi Fire/Fairy

    >#815 Tapu Koko Electric/Fairy

    >#816 Tapu Mana’o Psychic/Fairy

    >#817 Tapu Hane Ghost/Fairy

    >#818 Jangmo’o Dragon

    >#819 Daimo’o Dragon/Fight

    >#820 Shango’o Dragon/Fight

    >#821 Eclipsle Psychic/Dark (Evolves into Solgaleo in Sun, Lunala in Moon)

    >#822 Solgaleo Psychic/Steel

    >#823 Lunala Dark/Ghost

    >#824 Marshadow Poison/Psychic

    >#825 Magearna Steel/Fairy

    >#826 Manticull Dark/Bug

    >#827 Toa-Gro Fairy/Psychic

    >#828 Toa-Cho Fairy/Bug

    >#829 Toa-Ko Fairy/Fighting

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  8. so later today i wanted to work on my Normal/Rock Mountain goat Precibex but it needs a prevo
    i was going to name it Rockid or Rukid but i think that’s too obvious what do y’all think

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  9. Actual translation from concept art.

    1. Has a wild and gusty persona
    2. Fights dirty- spits ember in its opponents face, isn’t above using unconventional items or means, uses Fire Spin from its belt.
    4. Has a signature move called BeastTiger Swing???
    5. That Belt gets hotter the more “passionate” it is

    Key: Fights dirty- spits ember in its opponents face, isn’t above using unconventional items or means

    Dark types are mostly associated with sinnister or cheating means. Even it’s face looks sinnister

    So I’m pretty sure that’s Dark type.

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  10. IDK why but honestly i can see ash catching Litten’s final evo instead of evolving a litten to its final. like I could honestly see another charizard type where it doesn’t listen instead of sleeping it just literally just does what it wants and does it own attacks recklessly

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  11. Jangmo-o’s soooo turning into a part Steel-type. They’re touting this thing as a Fairy killer and with Soundproof, ain’t no Pixilate boosted Hyper Voice is touching it. Also the fact that it uses its scales for both defense and offense just screams Aegislash.

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  12. Thank god! I always wanted to catch and train UB-01! Maybe they will have have alternate names, fitting for legendary Pokemon! UB-01 would have the name Meduzys. Twilit Pokemon.

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  13. Okay, so I’m still not fully sold on all this… I still feel there is a second Cutiefly evolution which the leak doesn’t account for. It would be cool to get a Toucan though. Also, I think there will be a lot more new Pokemon than this accounts for. Guess we will just have to wait and see. Plus… There is the whole starter and Rockruff thing that I don’t see here.

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    • One thing to remember is the leaker posts the info they have, not what exists. Many people assume komala has an evo, but one isn’t listed simply because they don’t know about it. In the case of cutiefly we know only of this evo from the Japanese trailer. We’ve never seen its dex entry, so we don’t know how many evolutions it would have. Also remember that rock ruff share a secret, but that doesn’t meen it’s split forms. It could really be anything, though most likely Z moves

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        • This guy isn’t a leaker, he posts riddles of things thats coming. Like how he posted a shovel in a body of sand to tease the Pallossand line

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          • He/She has been on point with his/her riddles on 7 different occasions with the first one being the reveal of the sun and moon legendaries in June. I think he is the most credible leaker this entire pre-release season. These riddle leaks of his are only of stuff coming in the near future. He isn’t posting stuff that has already come out. What he has put up in this list is what is officially confirmed plus the stuff in the near future. If an evolution isn’t confirmed (starter’s mid-evo and Pikipek’s Eco during the E3) than it will not be on this list. Any of the Pokemon like Salandit that are on the list by themselves could still evolve even though there is not question mark next to them. It is just not 100% official to the general public of Pokefans. I hope I was clear with my interpretation of his riddles and that this long reply wasn’t to bothersome of a read.

  14. so Split evolution is not the starter’s secret they share with Rockruff.

    What a relief! I would’ve ended up getting two games if that would’ve been the case.

    I’m just waiting until Bank has been updated.

    (Just hope it’s not Japanese exclusive like ”My Pokemon Ranch: Platinum Compatable”)

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  15. What culture/geographic area would you all want a future gen to be based off of? Personally I’d really dig a Pakistani/Indian inspired region. I’m a huge Ms Marvel fan and I’ve had 2 Indian professors and worked under an Indian accounting controller and I’ve become quite infatuated with that area of the world. I like their aesthetics.

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    • fat chance! I’ve already know of which regio is based on which just simply based on certain Pokemon found for when their remake comes out.

      It’ll be Rio for South America, Hong Kong for Asia, Sydney for Australasia, Jerusalem for the Middle East and Cape Town in Africa.

      Though the settings maybe different when the locations for the next pokemon games come out. But when you think about it, we’ve already got Japan, North America, Europe and the Oceanic.

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          • Nah. We’re already getting an island region, another one would be too much for the next gen. They could though create an area in the region based on madagascar with the baobad trees. Brazil has so much more to offer in terms of landscape and different ecosystems. Rio is amazing when it comes to nature (the hills are beautiful), then there’s the amazon forest, the amazing beaches in the northeast + sand dunes (lencois maranhenses) +some desert parts. The south is colder so we could find snow there in the games.

      • Really confused as to what exactly you’re saying for those first two paragraphs, but yes Japan, USA, Western Europe, and now Pacific Asia + Hawaii have all been used for inspiration for a region. In Japan’s case 2 (4 if you count Hoenn & Sinnoh, to me they felt more ambiguous as far as real world inspirations go.) I don’t necessarily feel like India/Pakistan are too much of a fat chance if they are going to continue on with real world inspired regions. At some point I feel like most of Earth will be utilized.

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    • I want them to hurry up and do an CANADIAN based Region. (Seeing as I am an Canadian. And Canada would have so much to offer for a Pokemon Region.) I have my own region, and a whole bunch of fakemons that I’ve been making since I was in elementary school, and its based on Canada.

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  16. -UB aren’t catchable. They are the true enemies in the story.

    >-Lillie’s mother (Lusamine) studies hyperspatial pokemon (UB)

    >-Lillie It’s involved in the plot. She and UB merge in the climax.

    >-Alola have 3 professors, Lusamine studies hyperspacial pokemon, Oak studies alolan formes, Kukui studies Z power (Z moves and Z forms, which are induced by Z moves)

    >-Chinese starters are real. Grass/Flying, Fire/Dark, Water/Fairy. No split evos

    >-Chespin, Fennekin, Froakie, Rockruff, Rowlet, Litten and Popplio have Z forms in their final evos

    >-Jangmo-o is the pseudo

    >-Alolan Fearow, Nidos, Golduck, Golem, Rapidash, Muk, Weesing

    >-A new pokemon can evolve in Solgaleo or Lunala by a special method

    >-Marshadow is Ghost/Fighting

    >-No new megas

    >-No PWT in Alola.

    >-Battle Frontier come back

    >-New dolphin pokemon, pure Water. Evolve in Water/Dragon

    >-Rugby gorilla is Ground/Fighting

    >-Comfey evo is humanoid. Their loop is in their waist now.

    >-Boundsweet evo is paprika-like. Grass//Fire

    >-Morelull evo is a larger Morelulll. Type and ability are the same

    >-Salandit evo. Type and ability same

    >-Wimpod is the new Magikarp. Same type, change ability to Unnerve or Pressure

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  17. there’s a toucan here. Didn’t gamexplain’s video mention seeing a toucan on one of the shirts, which they said could be a pokemon seems how all the creatures on every shirt so far are pokemon?

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  18. I hope it’s true :O

    “Blue koala-like alien standing around three feet tall. He has large rabbit-like ears (with asymmetrical notches on the outer rims of each ear; one near the tip of his right ear, one near the base of his left ear), a wide mouth, a round nose, black eyes, a small, short, stumpy tail; three tufts of fur on top of his head and on his chest, four arms (two of which are usually retracted), three retractable spines that run down his back, sharp retractable claws on his front and back paws and two retractable antennae on his head. He has a limited ability to change his physical appearance, as he can retract his second set of arms, his claws, his antennae and the three spines on his back into his body.”

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  19. So this time round we have the same amount if Pokemon as XY, but including all the Alolan and UBs? Also there’s only one Island Guardian? Hmmm…interesting.

    The only thing I like about this is that Jangmo-o isn’t the Pseudo legendary.
    The rest is all crap and probably a load of bullshit.

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  20. Am I the only one who doesn’t like this? I haven’t been fully focused on it and observing, but to me it looks like he just updates it as more informationg gets figured out. If im not mistaken, the first couple times, he didn’t even have Turtonator or a couple other pokemon on the chart until they were revealed. And he didn’t have cutiefly’s evolution on there either at that time. There weren’t even “?” for them. Idk shii sketchy to me. And there better be a lot more new pokemon than he shows on there smh

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    • I’m glad I’m not the only one.
      I’ve been saying I don’t trust the Riddler ever since the first time he missed out Cutiefly’s evo.

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      • Enlighten me on how tf rock,paper,scissors, and innards has anything to do with Pyukumuku, cuz i ont get that part lol. I mean I can’t front, hes been right on some things. But I don’t think he knows everything, and is a little ahead of himself. Theres gotta be more pokemon than just in that chart.

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        • as stated before i think in other pictures he hasn’t had things like Cutieflys evo. but his pictures foreshadowing the pokemon that he does know about have been accurate. that means that there could easily be more pokemon but you do have to remember that at some point they have to reveal the final starter evos and we’re basically a month away and possibly 2-3 more reveals from the “last reveal” before release. we could easily almost be done with there being “more pokemon” unless they flat out don’t reveal half of it before release

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    • He teased:
      Team Skull
      Pyukumuku
      Pallossand line
      Passimian
      Oranguru
      UB-01
      Tapu-Koko
      Mimikyu
      Version mascots

      So in your head, because he forgot Cutiefly’s evolution means he has zero credibility? How long till people start to realise that it is 2016 and leaks are very much a common thing because of internet and social media? Leaks happen, even with Pokemon. People have to deal with it

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        • No his first riddle were a picture of Litleo and Zubat on April 20th and several days later Solgaleo and Lunala were revealed.

          He has never left a clue about an already revealed pokemon

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          • Yes so he is/was wrong on that, but that doesn’t disregard his entire credibility. Like I said earlier, leaks are never a 100% correct, unless they are directly coming from an employee maybe.

          • Well, it’s a bit irrelevant that she didn’t say anything about it. Maybe she didn’t not know it, or she didn’t choose to talk about it. Nevertheless she gave lots of information about all those Pokemon listed above. And she didn’t say “oh this is going to be this”. Actually her riddles are so clever that they cannot be a lucky guess.

          • I never said they’re lucky guesses, I’m saying they’re pretending they know more than they actually do.

            There is literally no reason to not say everything they know. Dragging it out more than necessary is just attention seeking.

          • Actually, she isn’t doing it for any favor. If attention is what she is seeking for what she is doing, then she deserves it. Because I don’t have any people in my life that knows exlusive Pokemon stuff. But she is one of those people, and she chose to share it.

          • Posting an image of inner organs and fists isn’t just a random guess lol. Thats literally what Pyukumuku does to fight.

          • Read what I said one more time:

            “I never said they’re lucky guesses, I’m saying they’re pretending they know more than they actually do.”

          • “I never said they’re lucky guesses, I’m saying they’re pretending they know more than they actually do.”

            Thats how I feel. and this is off-point. But i feel like he leaves lame hints for the pokemon to be revealed. Like an anime girl and some asian girl. Wtf am i supposed to get from that? but i guess thats the point

          • Yeah, this is why I’m saying it’s just an attention seeking thing, he wants people to start speculating and talking about him – dancing like his little puppets.

          • Mate, just because he didn’t hint at a Cutiefly evolution, doesn’t discredit him. It’s one thing to take things with a grain of salt (which everyone should, obviously), but fact is, the ratio of correct predictions by our ol’ pals in China is heavily outweighing ones that were wrong, misinterpreted or not leaked at all. So at this point, it seems like you’re simply arguing that this source has little to no credibility because they haven’t revealed EVERYTHING. The logic there is flawed, where’s the fun in that? If I had my hands on this kind of info, I’d be leaking it out slowly too, not all at once. That’s no fun.

          • Same here. This is actually a style I can get completely behind, as I am one for almost never giving direct answers when it comes to trivia and the like; I prefer just giving hints and having people come to the conclusions themselves.

    • I doubt he knows everything. Or he doesnt want to get in trouble with nintendo. Like I’m sure a few of these pokemon have evolutions/preevolutions but he doesnt want to show them bc a) it could spoil the game for others b) he doesnt want to get in trouble/ possible ruin nintendos reputation

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      • There’s no point in lying.

        And the Nintendo thing isn’t an excuse because if Nintendo knew what he’d already hinted at he’d probably be demoted or fired.

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          • That’s my point. He’s anonymous, he can give away everything he knows with a snap of his fingers and no reprecussions.

            If you assume that he’s not anonymous, then he’s already a target to be tracked down and punished.

      • Yuhhhh true. But if he put “?” spots for the starters evolutions, I don’t see why he wouldn’t just do it for the others. All he had to do is put a ?, not even a hint. No way in hell all those pokemon are stand alone, with no evolutions. So I feel like he isn’t sure. Which isn’t bad, i’m just saying it takes some of his credibility away.

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        • what if they dont know every single pokemon and their evo he just knows a handful. or he still wants there to be some surprise with the games. or maybe he just leaks what he knows will be announced in offical trailers.

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        • Geez. That would reveal how many pokemon there is, which is, a pretty huge thing.. Although he vaguely mentioned Lunala’s dex No. But anyways, he only put a question mark if an evolution is certain, like Alolan Persian.

          I know Chinese and I’m positive that he knows everything, and he explicitly said he didn’t wanna spoil the fun for us. Also it’s obvious that he doesn’t want any trouble from Nintendo.

          Also, he posts in tieba which is kinda like a forum, AND ALL OF HIS RIDDLES ARE IN ONE POST. So we could discuss stuff through his constant updates; it’s not like ‘hey I’m leaking this’ ‘ok I’m out’. So a lot of information/images wouldn’t make sense if you’re just looking at one at a time.

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    • The Riddler has been predicting stuff since February. At this point he’s one of the most trust worthy leakers out there. I can’t remember who said it on here, but they theorized that he might be one of the trailer editors and there for has access to info that is coming in the relative future. Which makes sense to me.Either way he’s very credible and there’s no way he’s lying about anything.

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        • Yeah at this point anything they get wrong or slightly off are just minor mistakes and/or they are trying to be misleading. Either way anyone who doubts their legitimacy are just lying to themselves lol

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          • I thought people would have learnt after the entire Unova pokedex was leaked like 3 or 4 months before Black and White were released. I’m not saying every leak is credible, but immediately disregarding them is just stupid in my opinion, especially in these modern times when basically everyone has internet and social media.

      • I don’t think he is lying either, but I don’t think he knows as much as people assumes he does. Theres no way that all those pokemon are stand alone evolutions. Him leaving hints for the pokemon he is SURE about is fine, but why make a full chart when you don’t have full info. Its like trying to make food when you don’t have all the ingredients. I mean everybody is gonna fell how they feel about it, I was jus saying I think theres a lot more to it than he knows

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        • Again I think people need to stop thinking about the chart as an actual Pokedex. It seems more of a collection of everything he knows of rather than the actual order.

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        • :but why make a full chart when you don’t have full info

          Nobody never said it was a chart to a full dex and it’s obnoxious to even believe that, why would someone even think that by looking at that chart? It’s pretty obivously just listing the revealed stuff + the confirmed stuff like pikipek evos and the riddles

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  21. There are literally only 7 things in that image that are predictions.
    -The street lamp
    -The male&female pair
    -The toucan
    -The tiki
    -The tiki’s evolutions
    -The greyed out pokemon from older generations.

    Everything else is just stuff we already know.

    And there’s stuff we’re convinced of that isn’t there, like the dolphin and snowman, not to mention there’s almost certainly more alolan forms to come (unless we’re only getting 10, which would be a pretty tiny number for a new mechanic considering we originally got 28 megas), and it’s a fair bet some of the other pokemon will evolve (e.g. Wimpod, Morelull, Jangmo-o)

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  22. Was the toucan edited in there after or before the trailer came out with the girl wearing the toucan shirt? Because once that happened, everybody started thinking there was a toucan pokemon, If he put the toucan in there after, than it just seems to me that he isn’t as credible as everyone thinks. Because once the trailer dropped and showed Cutiefly’s evolution, and everybody started pointing it out, then he updated the chart and put it on there

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      • Exactly, so the leaker isn’t really as powerful as people think. Sure he knows some info, but the rest hes just been pullin out his ass when the obvious is visible it looks like to me

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        • The leaker and this riddler are two different individuals though. The leaker mentions typings and classifications. The riddler just drops images

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          • Thea leaker is the one who dropped the starter evolution sketches, and mentioned rugby monkey, snowman and etc?

            and the riddler is the one who made this chart?

          • I don’t know who dropped the starter evo sketches, but I do know that the leaker mentioned an archer, wrestler and mermaid/siren as the starter evos. And yes he mentioned rugby monkey, snowman/iceman, sea cucumber, alola formes, no gyms etc

          • The riddler leaves behind clues of stuff that are related to SuMo and they are about yet to be revealed things, whether it be new Pokemon or something else.

            He dropped an image of a cloth with a Skeleton and in the same week Team Skull were revealed. This is just one example though.

        • I don’t know what is meant powerful here but she is one of the most powerful person on internet now among people we are having interact with in terms of having Sun & Moon info.

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          • Yeah definitely. I know the person is the most credible from everyone so far, I just don’t think they’re credible enough to make a chart that we can all rely on. Especially with the shii thats going on at the bottom with the alola forms. That to me seems like they just put who they THINK would have an alola form. In that case his voice is no different than a fan if he has no insight on it

          • The stuff at the bottom isn’t anything to do with alolan forms, it’s supposed to be pokemon from other generations that are returning.

          • The greyed out ones are the ones that haven’t appeared in trailers but are supposedly going to be in the game, the bold ones are ones that have appeared in trailers (which again, isn’t leaking, it’s just going through the trailers and ticking off what’s been seen).

          • The scratched out Pokemon won’t be getting Alola formes according to him. The ones who aren’t greyed out or scratched out might still get it

  23. I don’t really understand those who are saying “the riddler didn’t hint to this or that, therefore they must be lying now”. Clearly this grid is not supposed to be the whole generation (would anyone seriously think that???), but only the extent of what this person knows/wants to reveal. Clearly this person likes playing by their own rules rather than revealing everything head on, though it seems of late they’ve become more open and cocky.

    They also seem to be keeping it updated with info that comes out, such as the pokémon seen in trailers, the cutiefly evolution, or this while toucan speculation thing. But I don’t see how that removes their credibility by any stretch of logic, they’ve still been right for everything they predicted, and they’re not required to have predicted everything to be right.

    Maybe there is some bull mixed in there, maybe suddenly they are lying, but until now this hinter has been spot-on, so to assume that what they’re posting now isn’t worthy of the benefit of the doubt kind of puts you in denial…
    And all we have from them is still just hints (apart from that 4chan repost, but we’re not clear on what that even means.
    We may as well concentrate on investigating them rather than argue whether we trust it or not, it’d be a better use of our time :p .

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      • Ah, fair enough if that’s the case, I’d like to see it if you can find it. We are simply talking about the riddler right, not some other leaker? As far as I know until very recently all the riddler ever gave were picture hints, how could those be wrong exactly???

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        • Hang on, yes. My bad! I think it was the leaker (not the riddler we’re talking about) who said that. The leaker who posted on the Chinese board is the one who said they included some false information, I believe.

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          • Ah, yes, the chinese leaker (as opposed to the riddler) is a whole other matter. Especially with how people seem to conflate multiple leakers, such as claiming they said the rugby monkey was fighting/ground (I’m 100% sure that wasn’t in the original leak post, maybe they said it later but are we sure that’s the same person?).
            What even is left from their predictions that hasn’t turned out true yet? Apart from the Snowman and Dolphin pokémon (and wow, people, me included, are gonna be hella pissed if that was a lie).

          • There was some interesting conversation going on over on our Twitter account earlier. It seems some of the new teases from the Riddler could line up with the dolphin and possibly snowman from the leaker. So much going on it’s difficult to keep track!

      • Riddler posted a 4chan leak that was not theirs but someone with crediablity, they said some of its false why most is true keep a eye on it

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    • It’s because they’re padding it out to make it seem like they’ve done more than they actually have. Any idiot could compile a list of already revealed pokemon.

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      • Or maybe they’re “padding it out” to give us a complete overview of everything we know so far? Why assume malice? The riddler has only been spot-on with the riddles up to now, they need no more credibility than that.

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          • I guess that’s a fair enough point of view, I’m more of the opinion it helps clarify things and give us a good “what we know/what you’ll be seeing soon” overview.

          • He hasn’t got much more than the official website does. Literally just the 7 things I mentioned in my earlier comment.

          • Yes, and that’s more than the riddler’s ever hinted at before… It used to be one picture each time.
            This is the RIDDLER we’re talking about, not a simple LEAKER (caps for emphasis, not trying to sound angry haha).
            This person isn’t just throwing everything in each time like your average “my uncle’s accountant works at nintendo” text leaker, they’re more subtle and playful than that (and I’d argue, a cooler leaker for it).
            They’ve just chosen to start highlighting their reveal in the grand scheme of things. Suddenly the riddler is giving us more than just one hint at a time, and you’re blaming them because they’re not just giving us a full infodump? Doesn’t seem very coherent to me.

          • Sounds like they’re trying to make themselves more important.

            They’re not cool, they’re just in a position of power that they have chosen to abuse (by both leaking in the first place and not leaking all at once).

    • The riddler did this the first time with avatars and pictures
      A stuffed Owl,Cat and Sea Lion pictured
      Zubat and Litleo
      A pikachu with a cover on it
      Organs+Fist?
      A football player
      a sage.
      they totally have to know things

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  24. I’m honestly tired of speculation. People are arguing (including myself) when in the end, we all know just about as much as the next guy (though some people draw shorter conclusions and don’t reach as much). Regardless, I’m here on this site for the reveals and discussion of already announced features. Could there be an article on what pokemon we think will evolve/ what they will look like, perhaps an article on the new customization, perhaps something on the trial captains, idk. I love speculation to an extent, but a constantly updated list of pokemon after certain announcements and the comments that ensue below because of it is really not what I want to do here on PJ.

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    • I have A LOT of stuff planned for articles. i just can’t get it out yet because there’s a hold-up with something else.

      As soon as everything’s sorted you can expect articles based purely on what has been officially revealed and thoughts on what could follow.

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      • Wonderful! this was in no way trying to attack you guys. This list by the riddler is just exhausting and the constant updating after reveals makes it weaker imo. I still appreciate speculation, but in the end, I think we all wish we were playing the game with all the answers right nowz

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    • Exactly, the riddler isn’t worth our time, he’s just causing argument because it’s never anything concrete.

      I’m tempted to go to the forum and start a separate discussion 😛

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  25. No one ever answered my question as to why some of the sprites on the bottom are greyed out? Just that the sprites represent the pokemon seen so far

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  26. Ultra Beasts were firstly leaked on 4chan by the way, on August 11 as ”boss level aliens that resemble Pokemon who are researched by the villains”

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  27. I like how everyone forgot the Riddler did leaks that weren’t about new pokemon. It says a lot about what people are most interested in 😛

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  28. Ok, guys. Fae wants us to stop talking about him and Shady and delete the stuff. He also said us talking about their problems just makes him not wanna come back even more.

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  29. So yeah. I’ve deleted all of my below comments referring to the people and some other people have as well. Let’s move on.

    So anyway. Tomorrow is a new Generations 😀

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  30. Is anyone interested in a few people flying in a balloon in the PJFP? (Let’s call it that. It’s easier to type than Pokejungle Family Portrait.)

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  31. Ok, if you were a gym leader, what would your type be, what would your team be and what would your gym be like?

    I would be a ghost type leader.

    -Mimikyu
    -Froslass
    -Gourgeist
    – Mismagius
    -Chandelure
    -Mega Gengar

    My gym would give trainers a lantern that had limited fuel. You have to traverse a maze filled with walls you can pass through and invisible walls both only made clear by shining light onto them.

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    • I guess this applys if you qualify for the league huh?

      FLYING TYPE
      – Oricorio
      – Togekiss
      – Gliscor
      – Tropius
      – Noivern
      – M Altaria

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    • I wish gym leaders had themes rather than being centred around types, but here goes.

      I wanted to consider other types as well, but for brevity I’ll post just 1 scenario.

      Psychic type:
      -Espeon (Magic Bounce)
      -Slowking (Regenerator)
      -Metagross (Clear Body)
      -Delphox (Magician)
      -Gallade (Justified) (Mega)

      My gym battle would be in double battle format.

      The trap would be a large hedge maze with mirrors, fake doors and fake walls.

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    • i don’t care for these
      everyone overdoes their team and makes them all final forms and op crap

      Ground (Obviously)
      Sandslash
      Piloswine
      Gabite
      Palpitoad
      Graveler
      Rhyperior

      My Gym is extra demanding since you’ll need both flash and strength to navigate through my pitch black subterranean tunnels to make it to mu Bowl Shaped Arena

      and i’d begrudgingly award trainers that best me with the Terrain Badge and TM 26 Earthquake

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        • Yeah, I was still brainstorming. I was thinking it could be like a Castle. You have to navigate around the castle and there are people you have to fight in each room so that they’ll give you hints as to the location of secret passages that you will need to proceed successfully. I would be at the tallest tower in a library. You have to enter it through a secret dumbwaiter in the dungeon and when the player tries to use the long spiral staircase, it turns into a slide as they get to the top. Hehe.

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    • – Roserade
      – Glameow
      – Lopunny
      – Eevee
      – Scizor

      I give out the Sol Badge and my puzzle would be a large white room with invisble holes, teleportation devices, walls, doors, etc… and no gym trainers. You have a limited amount of time to complete the puzzle and if you fail to traverse through in the allotted amount of time, the puzzle changes each time you fail. I give out the Sunny Day TM.

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    • I would be a Water type leader

      – Mantine
      – Gastrodon (East Sea)/Omastar (Seasonal)
      – Qwilfish
      – Ludicolo
      – Corsola

      My gym would be within a reef, without disturbing the ecosystem, of course and you would need to ride on/dive with a Mantine that is on the deck of the town (It is my Mantine). On the inside it would be dry and you’ll see the guy who gives you advice. It will be a strip of sand with water on either side. You go into the water with the Mantine (You don’t get to use it in battle tho) and when you go down into the water, you’ll be in a place filled with first stage water types (they won’t battle you) and you have 30 seconds to find the secret cave. You need to go back up for air after 30 seconds. When you find the cave, you will battle a trainer and then be able to go into the water on either side of the corallite cave floor. You repeat this and there are 3 levels. The second level has second stage water types and you have 20 seconds to find the cave and you go back for air to the 1st trainer level. Then you have 10 seconds on the last level and you find me and Mantine sets you down on the sand and I jump on it and you challenge.

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    • I would be a Fairy-type leader:

      -Mimikyu
      -Comfey (Comfey Evo)
      -(Morelull Evo)
      -(Cutiefly Evo)
      -Florges (or Mimikyu Evo if there is one)

      My gym would have an active misty terrain that would serve as a fog to make it difficult to traverse the gym. The objective is to follow a shiny Cutiefly, that will run away from you, around the gym. However there will be a variety of Morelull hidden on each of the floors you go through.If you happen to arouse one’s attention they will throw a random status on you that will hamper your journey -paralysis, burn, and poison will make you slower, sleep and frozen condition will leave you stuck on one spot, confusion will make your movements random. The condition will disappear with time or when you go to the next floor. There is also one hidden Comfey that can heal you of your condition and your Pokemon. Mimikyu will give you hints on the way because I would want this gym to have three expansive floors with many grass ladders going up and down them (in other words it will be difficult to navigate so Mimikyu will help). There will be trainers along the way to battle against you. Finally, when you find the shiny Cutiefly the mist will clear up and the gym leader (in other words me) will appear and challenge you.

      Please let me know what you all think about this.

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  32. Seems like the greyed-out Pokemon at the bottom don’t mean much. Staryu and Starmie used to be greyed out in a previous version of this chart, but now they’re not. *shrug*

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  33. Something really cool about the reboot theory is that it brings together many parts of various religions and cultures. Christianity, Hinduism, Polynesian gods and culture…. Alchemy sprinkled all through out. I think that it is pretty cool since Pokemon has been advertised as of late to bring people together

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    • It’s been doing that here and there for generations though.

      Groundon and Kyogre being the biblical Behemoth and Leviathan for example.

      Maybe they’ve been a bit lax on Polynesia (only doing moais and maybe parrots)

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        • Yeah.

          And recently I’ve discovered that loads of the G4 pokemon appear to be based on greek concepts ending in -os.

          Logos, Pathos, Ethos.
          Cosmos, Chronos.
          Erebos/Hypnos/Chaos.

          Might just be a coincidence though. I’m sure given time I’d find some for the others.

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  34. Lockstin’s Part 3 video is so good omfg. I can’t wait for 3.5 now, and it definitely increased my hype for Sun and Moon which I didn’t think was possible at this point!!

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  35. Wouldn’t it be neat if the Trial Captains taught us the main Z-Move dances for each type, but special ones are taught by special characters? Like Red teaching us Pikachu’s move or Blue with Eevee?

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  36. Okay I watched that Lockstin/Gnoggin fella that some of you were fanboying over and he’s really good! His theories were well thought out and he managed to find everything GF hid in the games .-.

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  37. So I know this is off topic, but is anyone else on Pottermore? I just found out my Patronus and wanted to see what other people got. I think it would be cool to know what Pokémon you’d like as your Patronus too.

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        • Oops I got carried away reading the story of Ilvermorny and forgot to post what I got. I got a Basset Hound and I would have liked Noctowl or Phanpy as my patronus because I love owls and elephants.

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      • I would have liked Wolf if I didn’t get Dragon, I’m very happy I did though. Loppuny would look really cool as a silvery white Patronus 🙂

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          • Nice, I think Ravenclaw would be my most likely if I hadn’t got Gryffindor, but I’d have been OK with any of them as I think I have traits of the others too. I also got Thunderbird for Ilvermorny which sounds cool. Did you sort into Ilvermorny?
            What is your wand? Do you like it?

          • They are on your home page on Pottermore, I think it’s directly below your Hogwarts house and then the wand is at the bottom. I can’t link it as I’ve already been sorted :/

          • I thought of this when I first saw it too 😀 Though not the aweful CG remake, the original puppet version, strings, real human hands and all.

          • I didn’t mind what the remake did to the thunderbirds themselves, the assembly system in TB2’s pods is pretty cool, but I didn’t like their decision to mess with the chracters..

            I mean who decided brains should be Indian? Aside from being unnecessary, that’s a really stereotypical view of Indians.

            As for Kayo, they changed her appearance completely. Promoting her to a full time member of the team I could live with, but they completely changed the character, they might has well have just come up with a completely new name.

            Also Parker is now stuck half way between being a grey haird old man and a baby faced middle-aged guy, and the voice isn’t done very well at all.

            At least they mostly left Penelope alone (aside from altering her hairstyle).

          • I just found them really ugly. I like that they can do quite a lot more action stuff but the Original did just great itself. Indian Brains is why I eventually gave up on it, he was just irritating. I don’t know why he’s Indian, and it’s not like I’d have a problem with it if he was originally Indian and much less irritating.
            They needed a strong female character as part of the team, especially to try and reach a wider audience. I don’t like what they did to Kayo though. They could have done it whilst keeping her more similar to how she was or indeed had a new character.
            Parker used to be hilarious to me. I don’t know what it is driving Penelope about now, but it isn’t good.
            I can live with Penelope changing her hairstyle, somewhat easier to do than changing to Indian. Now I’m reminded of the movie Tropic Thunder XD
            I heard they were making a special of Thunderbirds using the original puppet version, not sure if it’s still happening though.

          • They probably choose to do CGI because it’s cheap.

            Yeah, it completely changes his image.
            (And people will probably think I’m being mean to Indians, but the first thing I think of when I hear an Indian accent is cold callers because so many call centres are based in India. If they didn’t have so many call centres, I’d think of the Kumars or characters from soaps.)

            I get they probably needed to promote Kayo to increase viewership, but they didn’t have to completely overhaul the character. They changed practically everything about her.

            (On a side note, (warning, a bit ranty) I hate the term ‘strong woman’ or ‘strong female’. It implies A) strong women are a rare thing and B) there aren’t that many around.
            Also ‘strong’ is a bit vague, there’s no consensus on what classes a character as being strong. By my definition, most if not all female characters in all the cartoons, soaps, dramas etc that I’ve ever watched were strong. Or at the very least, there’s next to none that I would describe as weak.)

            Yeah. I recently watched the film centred around an airship where they hinted at his past as a criminal and it was done beautifully. He was supposed to be a docile man with a questionable past acting as a comic relief, not a grey haired james bond 😛

            Yeah, I don’t like the hairstyle, but it’s acceptable because it’s believeable.

            I started watching Tropic Thunder once but had to stop for some reason 😛

            I doubt it but I hope so. Ventriloquist dummies used to creep me out when I was younger, but for some reason the supermarionation of Thunderbirds never did, which is a testiment to how well it was done.

          • Yeah I was just going by the terms used in media. I would have also said strong male character, were it not a common thing in the show already, to describe a character that actually does something pro-active to advance the plot and is a main member of the team, which is how I was viewing the term. I think they just needed to have more main female charactes in general. Didn’t mean to offend anyone :/
            They should have just had a new character, kept Kayo as she was and then had both be there.
            I have friends who are originally from India, so the accent isn’t bothersome to me. The voice they’ve given him is though. That and he’s now even more of a stereotype than before.
            I think Goosebumps made me dislike Ventriloquist dummies, well that kind at least, not fear them though. I’ve always liked puppets. I just saw Kubo and The Two Strings, a beautiful film and extraordinary stop motion work with Puppets, with some CGI blended in. I think this would have been a better way for Thunderbirds to be remade. It is quite time consuming and maybe more expensive than the CGI they are using, but it would look better.

          • Don’t worry, it’s the term I have issue with, not you for using it.
            As the saying goes “hate the sin, not the sinner”.

            If they meant that they could just use the term ‘prominant’, strong sounds to me like they have to be bossy or physically strong, or over the top courageous. I wouldn’t necissarily describe the Tracys as strong, they’re dedicated and brave, but they’re not physically imposing or anything.

            Yeah, if they’d just added a new character I would have been ok with whatever they wanted to do with the character as long as the writing was good and the character wasn’t annoying in any way.

            For example, in the new star wars films, I really like Finn because he’s quite a scaredy cat and doesn’t have many talents, but he’s willing to face his fears and ends up being quite courageous, even if he’s still quite bumbling. Rey on the other hand was a Mary Sue. She can use the force with practically zero training, she knows how to fix practically anything, she has zero fear and practically no other character flaws. I mean, at least with Thunderbirds, they’ve had cases of characters disobeying orders or crashing their thunderbirds.

            I don’t have issues with Indian accents in themselves, it’s just they way it’s done reminds me of the kind you get with call centres, it doesn’t feel natural, it feels forced.

            That’s usually one of the biggest culprits 😛
            I think mine predated my encounter with Slappy.

            I might watch that some time to see what it’s like. I hadn’t heard of it until the other week.

            Yeah, but these TV channels spread themselves too thinly and are afraid of spending money. Look at Doctor Who, the viewership goes up and the BBC cuts the budget instead of pouring more into it.

          • I am also in Thunderbird 🙂 The American one was recently revealed by J.K.Rowling and I expect it will be mentioned in the Fantastic Beasts movie.

          • Well Fantastic Beasts is set in America which is one of the reasons they were created, but that’s likely a reason too.

          • Yeah, reading the synopsis that’s definately been decided as a way to attract Americans.

            It would have made mode sense to have it in Geneva or Germany since mainland Europe is the origin of a heck of a lot of the more famous magical creature myths. America is more about cryptids and maybe the Native American creatures.

            Which reminds me, it’s odd that the houses are all centred around mythical creatures instead of real ones like in Hogwarts.

          • Yeah I had thought that. It’s almost like she was trying to make it seem more especial for them or something. I think Animals Native to America would have been fine. Though I did like the stories behind each Ilvermorny house so I’m OK with them. I wonder if it had been set elsewhere if the houses would have been the same. At least she stuck to 4 houses.

          • She probably is, it’s a very cliché way to cash in on something. I think making it based in Geneva (I have various reasons for picking Geneva) or making it go from country to country would have given chance to add characters from lots of countries to the line-up. Plus it would justify a lot of the creatures being present because of the amounts of forests and lakes and lore originating in europe.

            Yeah, like otters, racoons, bison and groundhogs. Maybe bears or skunks (skunk would be an excellent contrast to badgers).

            If it was elsewhere, they probably would have had local animals. (Though technically Snakes aren’t that common in Britian, and the Lion only makes sense in abstract form)

          • I think the main character has travelled around a lot and it just takes place mostly in America, where the Beasts escape his suitcase (going by the trailer).
            I think Armadillo would be a good house Mascot for an American school. Skunk, Bison and Bald Eagle perhaps for the other 3? Or have 5 and add in a Sea creature or Reptile. Things that aren’t too similar, maybe even an insect. I think Australia would have a large Spider as one of theirs for example.
            Also I doubt there’s just one school in all of America.

          • I know, but still, we see more of America in films than anywhere else in the world, I’d like more films set in other places. Like the James Bond films, they travel around a lot. They have a hub, but they travel.

            The Eagle seems really cliché 😛

            Australia: Koala, Platypus, Wombat, Kangaroo (Maybe a bit too cliché? XD)
            Australia has plenty of things that want to kill you.
            Box Jellyfish, Spiders, Snakes, Blue Ringed Octopi…

          • I agree, it is the biggest Market for most films unless they are allowed in China though, and Americans love seeing mostly America according to the people in charge of making movies it seems.
            The Eagle is very cliché, and yet I feel it would have gone down very well.
            Australia would just have been really interesting, and a lot of land to hide magical creatures.
            I guess America had a lot more cities when this is set so the escaped creatures would be more problematic.

          • I can believe that. There is a line between patriotism and being self centred, and sometimes it gets very blurry in America.

            Technically the Lion of Griffindor is sort of cliché because it’s a symbol of England, but since Hogwards was hinted as being ‘British’ and was supposedly up in Scottland, it’s a bit more excusable. I still think it’s quite biased of JKR, but to be honest I can’t think of anything else to represent bravery other than a Dragon, and that would be unfair if the others weren’t magical.

            Yeah. The only thing it lacks is forests. (It has forests, but they’re full of very different species to what you typically think of as a forest :P)

            Hrm, maybe. Canada would have been just as good though, I feel.

          • A dog could have been used to represent Bravery, there are both cowardly dogs and lions so probably OK. Plus a dog would highly represent loyalty too which is an attribute highly prized in Gryffindor.
            I think Australia would be open to a lot of weird and wonderful magical creatures. And as with other Magical creatures they can be hidden from Muggles.
            I’d have liked Canada. I’m not sure if it was mentioned at all in the books as to where Newt Scamander actually travelled.

          • There may be many cowardly dogs, but there is only one cowardly lion.
            A dog would sort of make sense I suppose, but it seems a bit domestic.
            I did think a stag might make sense because they have the strong horns and fight each other during mating season, but then they tend to flee from humans and are often considered to be a prey animal. Maybe a horse would have been a good choice, used by knights, very trusting, very strong.

            I don’t think it was, he was probably only mentioned as the author of a single book, but thanks to supplementary material like the various video games and analysis books, a lot of the stuff that would have remained on the side ended up in the limelight.

          • What are the houses and what are their deals? I got Slytherin for my house on the Hogwarts house quiz and that was pretty far from the truth -.- I wanna know the American ones… cuz ya know… I’m American

    • I’m not all that interested in making an account to find that out, since I’m not super into the Potter fandom, but I know I would definitely belong in Ravenclaw (with some hints of Hufflepuff, but I value and embody more Ravenclaw than Hufflepuff)

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      • Yeah I think I have traits of all houses, I think Gryffindor is right for me going on the description, but I think the Sorting hat would consider putting me into the others for a while, too Ravenclaw for the second longest time probably.

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        • The main thing with mine is that I value wisdom and creativity, even if I have values of Hufflepuff, and in the source material, the Sorting Hat takes in account what you value, example Hermione valuing bravery more than wisdom hence Gryffindor.
          In a quiz form, it would be hard to take that in account somewhat, so I base it myself.

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          • Yeah I agree. I think I value Loyalty and protecting others (Bravery) highly so maybe that would win out as Gryffindor for me. I think they’ve done fairly well within the limits they have. I’ve seen a lot of people unhappy with where they were sorted though.

    • I must admit I think it’s ironic that JKR decided to go ahead with the house thing.

      She implies Voldemort’s mud-blood and muggle hating thing is racist/classist, but the house system (which is effectively a class system based on people’s personalities/skills/traits) is apparently fine. 😛

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      • And it’s all decided based on who they are when they’re 11. At least none of the houses are meant to actually be bad, even if people in them turn that way.

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        • Exactly. I’m an almost completely different person from when I was 11.

          That’s true, but you’ll always get rivalries and bickering with house systems, it’s one of the reason most schools in Britain scrapped them decades ago. We’re still grouped semi-randomly for practical reasons (class sizes) but each group has nothing attributed to it other than maybe a year number and a letter to make the class I dentifiable. At least that’s how it was when I was in school.

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          • Yeah, but I think that’s maybe part of the point, Hogwarts keeps up certain traditions from it’s origins, houses being a pretty major part of it, and their attributes being an important part of them. Kids argue etc anyway, it does perhaps give them more reason though.
            We had houses for P.E I think, don’t think it affected much, I don’t remember though.

          • “It’s not killing people”
            *shrine in the sewer dedicated to one of the house icons in which dark magic takes place*
            *mudblood hating cult into which members of one house are inducted*

            Remind me again how it’s not killing people…

    • Oooh! Mine is a Wild Rabbit. I don’t feel like it fits me though :/ As for a Pokemon Patronus, I think Vaporeon would be mine C:

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      • Apparently Patronus are often what you wouldn’t expect. I got Dragon which actually I think suits me quite well. That, Wolf, some form of Monkey, a Tiger or some sort of Bird of Prey would also work for me. Vaporeon is a nice choice, I imagine it as a silvery white Patronus, dashing around, melting into water and reforming as it goes.

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  38. I need one of these, I don’t care if it’s a bit girly:
    https://www.etsy.com/uk/listing/224277233/mega-evolution-pokemon-glow-in-the-dark?ref=shop_home_active_28

    And one of these:
    https://www.etsy.com/uk/listing/220495346/zelda-heart-container-glow-in-the-dark?ref=shop_home_active_1

    And maybe one of these:
    https://www.etsy.com/uk/listing/223990861/peeking-cat-purple-glow-in-the-dark?ref=shop_home_active_11

    P.S. Etsy is a black hole, please do not visit unless by accident. And don’t blame me if you get stuck there.

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    • Accidentally submit before finishing. Whoops.
      ———
      His whole idea about what will happen is really farfetch’d, but exciting nonetheless. Though I think it’ll be more tame than that, I LOVE the idea of a totem battle with arceus where he summons other Legendaries. Now that’d be a good final battle!

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          • This is something I don’t understand. I mean, even if you are in a transitional period, you’re going to end up one or the other, so why is this such a hard choice? Just go with the one you’ll end up being.

          • From what I can understand (you can correct me, I’m here to learn), it’s more of an identity thing. Some people just feel like they are neither or both. They can’t just pick one because that’s not who they are or what they represent.

          • I see it this way. If you feel one way over the other, go for it, I don’t have a problem with it, but if you really don’t know either way, then just go biological to make things simpler. This whole situation baffles me, but then again I’ve never gone through such a predicament.

          • It’s a bit more complicated than that. The whole thing is that you aren’t one or the other. You are neither in your mind. So if you go biologically, then it still isn’t right

          • You don’t have to believe it or think it’s correct, but you should have one to fall back one. I mean, what bathroom do you use? What do you fill out on surveys? If you don’t have an identity, you still need to use one, right?

          • Personally I see no reason for bathrooms to be sexed anyway. Having separate rooms for adults and children maybe, but I’ve never understood why we have male and female bathrooms.

          • When I was younger I thought it was just to stop people trying to have sex in toilets, but then I realised it wouldn’t stop gay people trying to do it, so if that was the intention it’s a flawed approach.

            Then I just concluded nobody really knows why, it’s just what everybody’s used to.

          • I’d never thought about that (probably because I’ve only ever been in a dorm twice, each for the space of a week).

            The only reason I can think of is some convoluted idea to reduce the number of teenage pregnancy rate.

            I must admit, if boys and girls didn’t have all these slight things separating them, I’d probably have had more female friends over the years.

          • It’s pretty stupid, considering most of my friends who are dating end up just sleeping in their partner’s dorm anyways. But I agree, that it serves as a way to separate people by gender. Which is bad for me because most of my friends tend to be girls.

          • Exactly.

            I wish I had a more balanced set of friends.
            I’ve literally only got one female friend.
            It’s partly to do with choosing to go into video game design and computing. I really don’t get why so few applicants are females, there is literally nothing stopping them.

            (Minor rant inbound)
            In both my game dev class and my computing class we had one female, and they were treated no different to any one else. The second one was at least 5-7 years older than everyone else and had different interests but we still had lots of conversations with her and helped her in the same way we helped each other.
            The first one was a different case, but that was to do with her personality. One day she spent the day in the cafeteria just because it was her birthday. She was very fickle with who she liked, and one time she was supposed to be in charge of a group project and she basically just went and did her own thing and blanked everyone whilst the rest of us went out of our way to organise stuff and work on the project.

            As for my psychology class. about 10-20 females, only 2 males (including myself) and in the entire year only 1 of the girls ever attempted to make conversation with me.

            I just don’t understand the world sometimes.

          • I really hate slipping into these sorts of issues, but I’ll say something anyway because there’s no avoiding it now.

            This is one of the reasons I don’t like the whole issue.

            To me, male and female is just biology, I don’t see the need to bring it into matters of personality or identity.
            My hair is brown, my eyes are brown, they don’t affect who I am as a person.

            The way I see it, the issue doesn’t stem from aligning oneself to a certain ‘gender’ or no ‘gender’, it’s the stereotypes people assign to others.

          • The whole situation would be a lot easier if what pharap said was true; limit it to biology. It doesn’t effect who you are, he’s right. It’s not like people are changing their eye color because it suddenly doesn’t fit their personality.

          • Technically some people try to change their hair and eye colours with dyes and contact lenses, but I think that’s more to do with (can’t think of the word) that appeancy thing. The thing where people hold their appearance in high regard. My brain is dying because it’s 4am.

          • I dye my hair because I love red hair on me, not because I hold my appearance in high regard. I’ve never viewed myself as super beautiful or even aspired to be that way

          • In a way you’ve proved the point.
            You don’t hold your appearance in high regard, but you did it because you wanted to change your appearance to something more preferable, not to affect or reflect who you are as a person.

          • Gender is weird. It’s hard to understand if you don’t struggle with it. The problem comes in when you really can’t just pick one or the other. And while a lot of what we perceive as male and female are stereotypes, some of that still pertains to it. It’s more of feminine and masculin I guess. It really all comes down to identity

          • If it’s just a choice of being feminine or masculine, I’d perceive those as just being badly named aspects of personality (and when I say aspects, I am trying to imply that there are many aspects, of which masculinity and femininity are just a few).

            It’s like how nobody is truly good or truly evil, we are all capable of both.
            Biology will always be a lottery, but personality is developed over time with both biology and personal experience influencing things.

            I don’t know how many other people view it that way though.

          • I sort of feel the same, but I’m also a person that’s like ‘you do you’. I’ll never understand what it’s like to go through it first-hand, but gender is a mix of a lot of things and is subjective. Gender is a part of your identity, what you are. And I don’t think comparing physical features are exactly equivalent, but hey, if we all thought the same, the world would be kind of boring.

          • Why? No one is forcing you to change your gender or anything. It is simply people being able to be open about themselves. Some people don’t feel like Male or Female and that’s okay.

          • i don’t got a problem with people with their genders, but when you start dragging all the annoying identifying as this whatever or cis this cis that
            it just gets so tiring
            and they talk my ear off with abunch of nonsense

          • They might not per se, but it bothers me how a lot of people get offended at anything and everything about this. It’s super annoying.

          • Yeah I can sort of see where you’re coming from. The reason is that people with differing gender identities tend to have to be defensive about it and sometimes that goes a bit far. Since alot of misconceptions are out there and alot of nonacceptance, it’s just getting defensive. Doesn’t mean it’s always justified, but just good to understand I guess

          • Uhg… Don’t remind me. Humans can be defensive creatures. Lack of education is what sadly causes prejudice. The fear that a transgender person will rape some little girl is practically an imaginary crime

          • The whole thing confuses me tbh. I was always taught that gender is what’s in your pants (I hope that was subtle enough), but suddenly there’s all this controversy. I guess it’s difficult for me to understand because I’ve never personally gone through it or known someone who has.

          • lol, you actually do know someone believe it or not. Gender identity and sex are seperate things. Your sex is what is down there and your gender is in your mind. It is something deep down you just know. Transgender people’s identity does not align with their genitals which is why they transition

          • Yes, this is my confusion. It’s a transition isn’t it? Meaning that you should end up as one or the other? Then that’s who you are, or at least that’s who you should tell people you are, right?

          • Well Non Binary people tend to just be gender neutral. They wear at could go for either of mix clothes and things that are generally considered for one gender of the other. It varies as there are different kinds of non binary such as Demi-boy/girl

          • Well then who do they tell people they are? I realize you said that’s the tricky part, but I mean, won’t you eventually end up one way or another?

          • I think this is where “preferred pronouns” come into the mix. Apart from the ones I don’t understand, I’d assume that they can just have people refer to them with gender-neutral pronouns: They, them, their, etc.

          • Well the question probably doesn’t come up much but probably just Non Binary. The reason a lot more stuff is having other boxes on forms and surveys and stuff like that is to accommodate these people who can’t go with one. I’m sure if an NB person was in a more dangerous spot they would just say one to be safe, but yeah, just go with neither

          • I always take boxes on forms to mean ‘biologically’. I feel sorry for people with Klinefelter syndrome and XYY syndrome.

          • Also I don’t know that many people, and I think I’d be able to tell if my friends or family was going through this.

          • (I’m guessing that was a thinly veiled hint towards one of the members here. I have two in mind, but I won’t ask who, a simple confirmation or denial would suffice)

          • I only just got there.
            That was my first guess, you haven’t exactly been that secretive about it.
            Or maybe you have, I dunno, I have a habit of noticing things – it’s a gift, and a curse.

          • No, you’ve hinted at it every few days or so (or at least it feels that way). I just don’t like making assumptions so I ignored it. Besides, what would I even say? Asking outright would be rude and it doesn’t really make any difference.

            Ok, maybe it would have made it easier to form a mental image of you (for most people I just get stuck with some 3D variation of their avatar or a cluster of 2D images, and if I don’t know gender I guess and get it right 80-90% of the time.), but otherwise it wouldn’t have made any difference.

            (Out of interest my second guess was Fae, partly because of the whole argument thing, but in hindsight that wouldn’t have made sense anyway. Damn plotholes.)

          • They should just explain it nicely and if people disagree or dismiss them, then just forget about it. Getting defensive about it and tearing into someone isn’t the way to sway them into sharing one’s beliefs.

          • Yeah, that argument between me and Fae that I mentioned started just because I used the word ‘transexual’ instead of ‘transgender’.

          • People do go parading their sexual orientation around though (literally).
            So it’s possible that one day ‘non-binary pride’ might be a thing.

            I think it’s counterproductive to emphasise our differences instead of what we have in common. This is why I like food festivals, everyone has to eat, even if they don’t like the same foods.

          • Shoot didn’t finish. I see it more as a not being ashamed of who you are. Because while it is much much better than it was, there is still a lot of discrimination against LGBT people.

          • I’m ok with them not being ashamed, but they could do so modestly rather than marching around in bright colours singing it to everyone.

            There is, but you’ll never erradicate it completely and holding big colourful events isn’t the way to sway people. If anything it’s probably giving some people a reason to dislike them more.

            I’ve met various gays over time, but I’ve always had more respect for the ones that aren’t very camp and don’t go out of their way to make it blatently obvious. I have the same feeling about heterosexuals though, people who go out of their way to flaunt the fact they’re in a relationship or they’re trying to pick-up guys/girls annoy me just as much. That might have come out a bit awkward because it’s hard to explain, but hopefully I’ve sort of explained it.

            Kind of unrelated but I feel like saying it anyway, when I was trying to think of ways to express what I wanted to say, I ended up thinking of Paul O’Grady. I like Paul O’Grady, he’s a funny guy.

          • I kinda get it. I don’t think there is a right answer to it though. Heck, a lot of LGBT people will agree with you. I think it just comes down to how you live your life

          • I know, like I say I’ve met a few in my time.
            It will always bother me though, because no matter how I look at it it always feels like it’s excluding heterosexuals.

            I feel like they should just have a relationship/sex parade or something, and have stuff celebrating both (or technically all 3, I think) equally, alongside. I still wouldn’t want to go, but at least I’d feel that they’re trying to encourage equality instead of special treatment.

            I’d also like civil partnership to be offered to heterosexuals too, partly for the sake of fairness, but also because I don’t like the religious connotations of marriage.

    • I don’t know, but I’d love to play it some day. I’ve been looking for someone who plays it for my entire Middle School… No one yet…

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          • Kinda? I sort of just rolled with what ever the DM said. I had a friend make my character too with input from me like the name and race and class and that kind of stuff so most of the confusing parts were already past

          • I’m gonna try to understand it and then maybe get it for my birthday so I can get my friends into it during the sleepover.

          • Whenever I try to get people to do stuff with me…. they… just… lose… interest…
            I’m good with my friends, but they still don’t have interest in things I try to get them to like. I barely talk to other people because I’m pretty socially awkward…

          • It’s kinda weird thinking everybody’s age here, I feel like everybody is my age when I’m just talking, but there might be people half my age

          • I’m pretty sure moving and defensive are around my age, Paul a few years older, and everybody else usually between 20(like earthen and sbinyxatu) and 14you, some others

          • I had no idea! That’s awesome 🙂 I’m glad I don’t have as much a chance of growing out of it, I was always kinda afraid of that honestly…

          • Well I kinda know that phase and instead of growing out of cutesy video games, I grew out of worrying I’d lose my “childhood”. :p

            You’ll get over that, I know I did. Also, when I was 20’s I feel I had to accomplish things quickly because time is running out, but now that I’m 30’s, it’s like, “meh… I’ll get to it”.

          • Makes complete sense. My boss turned 30 in April and he said it was like he just automatically starting not worrying as much about stuff, seems like it’s going to be fun 🙂

          • Hello, me in middle and high school. It wasn’t the most fun going through school, but school is really such a small part of life in reality. Once you’re done and out, it will get a lot easier. Your social things are less awkward, it’s easier to make friends and do things with people you like doing things with. I was super weird and awkward in school, and now I have 13.5 month old twins, a stable, decent paying job, time to dp the things i enjoy alone like writing, and all the fun I could think of having when I was younger. Sorry that that ended up getting really long and weird.

          • Oh. I don’t have TROUBLE making friends. I’m just friends with people who can relate to me. I’ve got I great little group of 6 people. I love them more than anything in the world (except for family) and I know I don’t get told stuff much, but I hope they love me as much as I love them. I’m always so happy around them.
            But yeah. I have trouble talking to people who I fear might make fun of me.

          • That’s a fear you need to conquer. Realize that even if someone won’t directly make fun of you, they can still mentally do it. You will never know the difference. Because of this, you have two options: Assume they’ll make fun of you, or not. Because there is no evidence to choose one over the other, you should go with the most optimistic outcome. That is, don’t worry about it, because you’ll never really know.

          • I mean… It’s not REALLY bad. I talk to people, but just short conversations and then it gets awkward and I or the other person walks away

          • Ok I had the same problem when I was younger, because I never understood the point of small talk (i.e., just asking them questions, even if you couldn’t care less). But really, it’s necessary in order to have other conversations. For example, you can ask someone how their day is going, and they might tell you about it. From that you know more about them. Let’s say they were worried about an upcoming exam. The next time you meet them, you can ask them about that exam. Small talk gives you material for other conversations.

          • Man has it been a year already? I remember you announcing that you either had or were expecting twins not so long ago!

          • It’s flown by, seems like yesterday I couldn’t sleep because I knew we were going in for the c selection in the morning. I mean every day and night is really long, but at the same time it Flys by

      • You just need to find the right people. There was a squad at my school, a lot of members of which I was friends with. I’d never assume that they played D&D though.

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          • super Mario maker? smash bros for wii u? wind waker hd/twilight princess hd? wonderful 101? donkey kong country tropical freeze? pikmin 3? bayonetta/bayonetta 2? all of these (well, ive never played a pikmin game so I cant vouch for that) are all considered pretty dang good. in addition to Mario kart 8 and splatoon, this makes a pretty decent library, not to mention all the Nintendo classics on the eshop, and wonderful indie games like shovel knight, and soon, yooka-laylee. we will also have breath of the wild eventually.

      • yeah I had a couple friends to play with, I wrote a long campaign, had everyone’s characters ready, found time to play, all of this took months of planning (I even found a good soundtrack to get people in the roleplaying mood) and after all thise months of planning and writing I got a “nah, I don’t really feel like it” after I forked over cash for a monster manual, DM’s Guide, and a nice set of dice and note pads, pencils, hell even snacks. I was soooooo bummed you have no idea.

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  39. Theres something off about this Riddler. It seems to be based on what we already know, with the exception of the 2 after Oranguru and Aristotle, and adding new ones AFTER we learn of it, doesn’t help it’s case. Though I admit it’s those 3 that keep this interesting.

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    • keep in mind that this is the “updated chart”. A few weeks ago they posted a chart having a football player/monkey in the passimian slot, and a Chinese general carrying a war fan in the Oranguru slot(who carries the same type of fan). They’ve been posting information since like march, and nothing they’ve claimed has been wrong so far. From the starters, to legendary’s, to the alolan forms, to team skull, to specific details of pokemon that you would only know if you’ve had a long time to see them. Everything about them seems legit.

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    • Literally none of his clues were posted after a reveal, always prior to them. The first one Litleo and Zubat on April 20th and like a week later we got official reveal of Solgaleo and Lunala. He dropped an image of a cloth with skeleton print, later Team Skull were revealed. He posted an image of inner organs and fists right before Pyukumuku was revealed and the list goes on.

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      • Did I say clues?
        No, I said “Based on what we already know”, by “adding new ones” I meant new pokemon not clues. I’m sorry for being skeptical of things before their confirmed, it must be so nice knowing everything.

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  40. I am dealing with a crisis. I really want Aggron on my Alpha Sapphire team, but I don’t know who to switch out for Aron.

    My current team is
    Marshtomp
    Mightyena
    Breloom
    Kirlia
    Swellow
    Vigoroth

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  41. I have an idea for a Grass/Fire type. It’s called a Lehua flower and it grows near Volcanoes on Hawaii. It can survive most volcanic fog and smoke. It looks like a bunch of thin red needles. It’s not pointy, but that could definitely be turned into something that looks like fire.

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  42. So did anyone interpret the Japanese actress one with the anime character (N1)? I could be way off so take the below with a grain of salt. I’m only sure about the actress and the anime character.

    So far I know the actress is Yukie Nakama and the anime character is Yin from Darker Than Black.

    Yin means Silver, she’s got the ability to perform surveillance with water specters she projects. The image itself is from a promo image of Darker Than Black season 2, which is subtitled Gemini of the Meteor.

    Yukie Nakama starred in many movies but what stands out to me is her one anime role listed in Wikipedia. She played a character called Lapis Lazuli in the Martian Successor Nadesico movie, she’s an emotionless lab experiment just like the aforementioned Yin character. (I think.) She’s also a clone of Ruri, the main female character of this series.

    So what’s my prediction? It’s probably an emotionless girl-type Pokemon, who’s either a water spirit or a ghost who’s known for having a twin/clone (so it’s probably a multi-being Pokemon like Weezing or Duosion). Maybe “Alolan Froslass”. I doubt it’ll be gem related.

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  43. For N2, just search google for “禅杖” and you’ll see the very image in the image search.

    It has a chinese wikepedia page https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E7%A6%AA%E6%9D%96 that refers to it as a Buddhist Monk’s Staff when google translated (take this with grain of salt). It can also be referring to the monk holding said staff.

    So that’s your next prediction: a monk-like Pokemon holding a staff.

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      • This list isn’t confirmed to be all the Pokemon in the game. It could be what has been revealed and what will be reveled in pre-release soon as announcements. The Monk staff being next to it does mean it is after Jangmo-o. However it does not imply that it is Jangmo-o’s evolution. There could be like 10 Pokemon between them in the dex and we wouldn’t know.

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  44. Jangmo-o is placed directly next to the monk’s mace which defintely looks like it fits as the theme for an evo, also it only has one space next to it meaning it isn’t the pseudo legend this gen as it only has one evolution?!

    If so I am very happy with that as another dragon pseudo would just be ridiculous at this point.

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      • Something like that yes. I really want to like Jangmo-o but if it is this gens pseudo I really don’t think I could, out of principle. Gamefreak’s dragon fetish is so frustating.

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          • I wouldn’t mind so much if the dragons were more impressive.
            Weird gimmicky ones like Hydreigon, Haxorus, Garchomp and Salamence annoy me.

            I prefer traditional ones like Dragonite, Noivern and Flygon (even though it isn’t a pseudo).

          • Not only is it getting stale, but it flies in the face of Gamefreak’s acknowledge that Dragon was OP, yet they continue to introduce OP dragons…

    • Honestly, I think Jangmo-o is the pseudo and that the staff/sceptre is a riddle for a completely different pokemon. This is a list not a poxedex.

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      • Perhaps, but I do feel that there is a lot linking Jangmo-o to a khakkhara (the name of the type of staff) and with Buddhist monks.

        Specifically a khakkhara is known as a sounding staff; this being because it has many metal rings attatched to it which jangle as the monk walks. The purpose of this is to warn away any small creatures that could end up underfoot of a pacifistic monk.

        The jangle aspect in Jangmo-o’s name is also found in several other language names and one it’s abilities is Soundproof. It’s dex info on the site specifically makes it sound like an ascetic monk. I feel there is too much here to be coincidental that a khakkhara is placed right next to Jangmo-o.

        However I do admit Jangmo-o only having one evo is wishful thinking on my part.

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  45. I don’t think him not splitting the starter box into two means that they don’t share a split evolution thing with rockruff. The guy’s whole MO is riddles. It wouldn’t be much of a riddle if he had the starter evos we already know about split with a double box. Before we knew about Lycanroc the box for rockeuff’s evolution had a single question mark.

    Also for people saying that he didn’t have a box for cutiefly’s evolution, he seems to give us riddles for NEW pokemon entirely. Not ones connected by evolution. Except in a couple notable cases, like with the starter evo’s and with the island guardians. Everything else is a “riddle”

    Also this list is by no means exhaustive. Meaning there are definitely many more pokemon than he alludes to here

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  46. Ok, so I was looking at the Chinese leak, you know the one that is very accurate so far, and noticed that mentioned “Logo Diamond Stones”, which of course would be the Z Stones ones, and it says some of them can cause some Pokemon to change Shape. Which sounds like Mega Evolution in a way.
    I’m wondering if this could be the one wrong thing in that leak, or it hints at something else. However as people have noted to me, is that they think that would overcomplicate things in an already packed game. Which brings us to an issue, is the Leaker that has been 95% Accurate so far right, though we’re not sure if we do create a league, we don’t actually know the end goal tbh, or is this one thing they have wrong? I like the idea, but can see how it would overcomplicate stuff, but thanks to Eevee we do know that not all the Z Stones are used for Attack Moves.
    Also link to this, updated.
    http://i.4cdn.org/vp/1474395329590.jpg

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    • Idk if it would over complicate anything really. People thought that megas would be too complicated of a mechanic since we already had regular evos and it really wasn’t in the end. It’s hard to say something will be over complicated when you haven’t tried it out yet. Plus given that we know next to nothing about the mechanic the leak is talking about and can only guess, it may turn out to be very simple in fact. Only time will tell, but there are plenty of other series that add multiple kinds of transformations already and they aren’t “too complicated” If that was the case you could throw both Mario and Zelda into that category as they have a bunch of different transformations and items that modify their characters. Either way we won’t know until we know and even if it does get complicated I’m sure things will smooth out given time. lol

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    • There is another leaker on 2chan (not to be confused with 4chan) who dropped the following:

      -A new mechanic called Z-Forms will be introduced
      -Z-Forms act in a similar way to megas, but when they faint the player automatically loses the battle due to their spirit being connected to the Pokemon (this ties in with Ash-Greninja)
      -Ash-Greninja is a Z-form and will soon be shown off as ”Z-Greninja”
      -Mostly previous gen Pokemon have Z-forms, but some Alola Pokemon have them too
      -Chespin, Fennekin, Froakie, Litten, Popplio, Rowlet and Rockruff have Z-forms (their final evolutions)

      This all can be found on Bulbagarden, and they have classified this particular leak as ”might be credible” instead of instantly fake like they have classified many others.

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    • I’m not sure why people assume that just because the stupid Pokemon appeared in there normal form on the silly Japanese web sight, that they aren’t going to be getting Alolan forms. That proves NOTHING!! And I chose to believe that there are going to be certain Alolan forms (Water Growlith/Arcanine) until its proven (by Nintendo themselves) otherwise.

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  47. so here’s what puzzles me about this.(Not hate just confused)

    1. Why are there so many non-evolving Pokemon?

    2. What are the sprites under the grid suppose to be?

    3. Why are there no new Ultra Beasts despite them saying there will be?

    4. And lastly, if the starters don’t have two forms, whats their secret?

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    • Here’s something to consider when looking at the chart: It’s not a Pokedex so it’s not showing all the Pokemon that are in the games. It’s only a collection of what both he and we know of as far as Pokemon that have been seen. When people complain about how he adds Pokemon to the chart after they are officially revealed it’s kind of dumb as they’re missing the point of the chart. It’s not entirely to make us guess what’s coming next. It’s more so just a collection of what we know or will now in the near future. He may just not have immediate info on everything the games have to offer. that doesn’t mean that he’s not legit. Just means he has a very specific amount of info. We’ll likely get more new Pokemon that have evolutions, we’ll definitely get new UBs, and in my opinion we could expect to see starter evos with split forms. As for the sprites it’s kind of hard to tell. From what I’ve seen the sprites are there to show Pokemon that have been in some way shown in trailers of gameplay. The faded ones being Pokemon that have not yet been shown?

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    • well, after watching lockstin’s video, he says he speculates that the starters and rockruff’s secret are that they were used in the creation of type: null. gamefreak did say they wanted the starters to have a small role in the plot this time around.

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  49. Just took a look at the imgur file with the bigger pictures and I haven’t seen any posts/guesses about what the remaining riddles could be so I figured I’d take a shot.

    – the anime girl with the silver hair is Yin from darker than black + I guessed the other would then be called yang and a google search for ‘yang -yin’ confirms this -> yin yang pokemon
    – next up is the buddhist monk staff.. So I suppose the mon will be a wise one?

    I’m still wondering what Aristotle could be further, aside from hinting at the ultra beasts.

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  50. So i’m not sure if this has been stated or not about the question marks and hints. It appears that the question marks are in place of Pokemon we can assume will be coming at some point, meaning they aren’t claiming to have seen them like they are with the hints, they’re just saying that it makes sense there will be Pokemon here. Which would explain why there wasn’t a question mark for Turtonator or Cutieflys evo since we couldn’t really assume Cutiefly had a second evo and turtonator appears to be a single stage Pokemon, but with Pikipek we can assume it’s a three stage evo line like every generations starting bird type, a second stage for all the starters is obvious, it’s been stated there will be an island guardian for every island, and we can assume there will be an Alolan Persian.

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  51. I think the Pokemon on the list that are faded away like the Bulbasaur-line and the Horsea-line all get there own Z-forms (Just the Final Evos). I don’t really have a reason other than seeing Porgon-Z and thinking that it kinda makes sense to give it a “Z-form” since Z is in the name lol. I think the rest of the whole list is just the rest of the Alolan Dex, and from that list some have Alolan forms, such as what the leaker said in Arcanine and Alakazam. What do you guys think ??????

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  52. I hope he’s right about the non-split evos for the starters. I doubt Nintendo would do that to us, but this game’s been full of surprises so far. I’d rather them do some sort of Ash-Greninja type thing with the fully evolved starters than have split-evos.

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  53. I’m pretty sure what the faded sprites means at the bottom, the non-faded pokemon can be rode by people, such as charizard, lapras, sharpedo, and the faded ones can’t.

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  54. Has anybody theorized yet on what the heck Darker than black and Nakama Yukie have to do with a new Pokemon?? It has to be something with the names! I know Nakama-san has a single called Moonlight to Daybreak… LOL

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  55. im salty on this, it just seems like he’s updating it everytime more info is revealed. plus minior is nowhere to be seen. seriously think this is rubbish and fake. sorry but thats just my opinion

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  56. I really hope Salandit has an evolution. Its a cool concept and type but it will probably end up too underpowered if its a single stage.

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  57. I believe it’s possible that the aristotle represented on the chart is reference to a character in-game as opposed to a pokemon. Aristotle was a scientist and philosopher, and one of his well-known topics is nature science.

    Perhaps this person in SM is a scientist and studies the nature of pokemon. He became curious and wanted to see if he could replicate certain behaviors and traits and ended up creating the UBs by utilizing both human and pokemon DNA. Thus the faded line between aristotle and UB-1 could not only mean he has a large part to do with them, but that the line between human and pokemon has been blurred.

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  59. well there is a dotted line in front of the UB monsters so they aren’t really pokemon like solgaleo or lunalaa are. Also if is were the final line-up, I would be sad because this would be even less pokemon than Kalos. They seem like logical guesses to me, rather than a leak

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