RUMOR: Pokémon Sun & Moon Include 103 New Pokémon

alola-dex-rumorRUMOR ALERT: The information contained in this post is based on speculation, not fact. Please treat it as such and do not interpret it is confirmed news.

A user on an anonymous image board has posted what purports to be the full Alolan Pokédex, excluding new “Alolan forms” of previously released Pokémon. If it is correct, there are 103 new Pokémon in the Alola region which would be 30 more new Pokémon than X & Y and roughly the same amount as Gold & Silver. There are, however, many evolution families listed which appear to have different forms for the same Pokémon.

IMPORTANT NOTE: Screw. The. Leakers. I will not be covering the names or any other information about this “leak” because there is too much risk considering the advanced information that has already made its way to the public from the Chinese rumors. We’re still too far away from the release of these games to ruin everything for fans. There’s a difference between enjoying speculation and rumors (which we do) and spoiling everything online (which they do). There is a line of what I think is fun pre-release hype and what is stupidly early to reveal, and I think this is one of those things that crosses that for me. Hope you guys understand and perhaps even agree. If we hadn’t gotten such credible leaks this year I’d have no qualms about posting it for dissection.

<3 PJ

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1,480 thoughts on “RUMOR: Pokémon Sun & Moon Include 103 New Pokémon”

  1. I’d be quite happy with this – the real question is how many new mega’s(if any) and how many alolan forms of old pokemon?

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  2. Looked at the leak (don’t ask me for a link, not breaking PJ’s policy), and there’s a few odd things:

    – Malshadow as opposed to Marshadow, when Marshadow is exactly what they intended it to be called globally (no L, other details might change but not r vs l)
    – Salandit and Wimpod being midstages, despite being mid-20 wild encounters
    – Lurantis being near the bottom of the dex when it’s another early mid-20s encounter, this one mandatory with its pre-evo found in the Lush Jungle (that’s how Totem Pokemon work)

    By CoroCoro this will be proved wrong or not

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    • Oh, the vast majority of Pokemon gain a type upon evolution when cases like those are usually rare, aren’t they? We’re talking 3/4 of the dex being one type then gaining another after one or two evolutions.

      S/He also didn’t include fossils…. So yeah, not buying it.

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  3. The pic on the side is too blurry and eye-murdering to provide much more than the types, which is a great way to avoid the total spoilers I didn’t want despite the fact I couldn’t resist checking.
    -Salandit as a middle evo works if you consider the name of it’s prevo tbh
    -Wimpod deffo makes little sense
    -Also, no fossils to be seen, which is A) a red flag, or B)UNACCEPTABLE&#’ù%$£ >:( >:(

    But yeah lack of fossils is making me think this is fake. And I dunno the types seem very fan listy don’t they?

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  4. Made out the names Minior and Mightior, which, to be honest, sounds kind of legit. Still, can’t tell which ones would be the fossil pokemon, someone else pointed out that Marshadow is spelled Malshadow in this list (?) and the three final evolutions for the starters say water/ fire/ grass/ various, like water/ various, fire/ various and grass/ various, so is that meant to imply the starters do get more than one final evolution? I’m most interested in the ice types myself. Was trying to decipher the snowman pokemon names and there seem to be 2 other ice types in the list, a three stage line that’s bug/ ice whose final evo’s name is Flycicle which is very clever, and an ice/ fighting single stage poke whose name seems to be Crygo or Crypo (?). Would love a higher res picture or a link to the website or a hint or something….

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      • Yeah I realize that now, I just never really put much thought into a possible evolution for minior until tonight :/ But yeah, you’re right now that I think of it. And that is a solid name of this leak is legit, like that’s a very catchy Pokemon name, so good job predicting that, and good job gamefreak for coming up with that. ?

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  5. Great decision Pokejungle. I agree that there should be a difference between hyping and leaking everything.
    Looking forward to see what CoroCoro will reveal this week.

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  6. Hmmm, seems a bit odd. Also, is it just me or can anybody else see Drampa on the list (only looked to see if it had a pre-evo)? I have to admit I do like the idea of a Dark/Electric pseudo though…

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  7. opss new Article I need to repeat that then.

    This really Awesome theory how I didn’t notice that??….I was predicting his ability is making his opponent burnable to any fire move , I mean when he enter the battle he spit this green liquid from his mouth and then hit him with any fire move and that burn the foe.

    http://pre01.deviantart.net/ec82/th/pre/i/2016/219/1/1/littenevovitriol_by_jwnutz-dad0pkv.png

    here the full theory: http://www.deviantart.com/browse/all/dad0rce

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  8. Well I just googled this… If the rumor about the starters and rockruff is true, than this would be an unprecedented yet exciting twist to the formula.

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  9. Weruff (ROCK/VARIOUS) [ST/FY/DK/FT] ?

    is that mean Weruff will be Steel, fairy, dark or fighting type I am not sure about fairy?

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  10. Quakitt and Bonéné… I have a strong feeling this list might be real. I know anyone can look up Hawaii’s state bird and string together some names, but I don’t know… these sound/feel legit. Maybe I’m being a little bit bias though. I love nene geese (some live near my property) and ever since the announcement of 7th gen being inspired by Hawaii, I wished for a nene Pokemon. ANDDDDDD if this is real, it’ll be a fairy type, my favorite!!

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    • I’m leaning on fake for this one (and want it to be because no fossils is just not okay at all), but I really want a Nene goose pokémon too. Hawaii, being an island, has loads of amazing endemics that would make great pokés. Plus it seems this gen they’re actually putting a lot of region-relevant pokémon such as Bruxish, Comfee and Yungoos, which is awesome!

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      • Hmmm, maybe there won’t be any this gen. Fossils can’t be found here in Hawaii because, well, there aren’t any lol

        Dinosaurs and such were long gone (50million years to be exact) by the time the Hawaiian chain was formed.

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        • I beg to differ :p, Hawaii has a bunch of wonderful subfossil (you’re right though not proper fossils per se 😉 ) species like Stilt-owls or the Moa-Nalo Goose-Ducks. Besides GF doesn’t follow geographical location for most of a generation’s pokémon. Since when have Koalas or Red Pandas been Hawaian native species?

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  11. The are tons of rumors and supposed leaks regarding Sun/Moon but why did PokèJungle post this particular one? Is there any significance that other rumors/leaks don’t have? I wonder

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  12. Perhaps the lack of fossil Pokémon in this list is due to there not being new fossil Pokémon this generation. Instead we receive Alolan variations of older fossil Pokémon to make up for it. I mean if there are variations of modern Pokémon there, then the likelihood of there being fossil variants is in my opinion even higher. Coming from a fossil fanatic, this is all actually more than okay with me. Hell any variant is okay with me to be honest. I want as many of them as possible. It’s just so thrilling!

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      • I am more than aware there aren’t any fossils in Hawaii. I do a great deal research in my spare time on prehistoric animals and what not. My thoughts on it are based on the fact that Alolan variants are the new big thing. You have been able to find older fossils in most games now along side the new ones so my guess basically boils down to their being a different type of fossil for the same Pokémon or rather some relative to it. For instance am Alolan Helix fossil is drastically different to the typical Helix fossil. I don’t entirely believe that they would go so far to make sure it was totally based off of Hawaii that they would leave the fossil Pokémon out. Since it is only based off of Hawaii and not literally Hawaii I believe they will put them in there purely because they are popular and more likely because they simply can.

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        • okay, okay, I just wanted to restate my comment below without actually re-typing it! 🙂 You’re fossil idea actually sounds cool. I’d love to see an alolan tirtouga and carracosta! maybe make them more honu inspired? Ooo, with a grass typing (the ones where I live have loads of algae on their backs)!

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          • I could see that working. Personally Rampardos needs a bit of a miracle that an Alolan form could give to it. The possibilities are endless. 🙂

          • Personally I would rather megas than regional variants for the fossils.. No wait maybe that’s just my already formed ideas for them fighting to survive… Y’know what both is probably best haha.
            Anyhoo I vote Rock/Dragon Dracorex-inspired Rampardos, that would be sick (though as you said, loads of pachys to pick from). They shouldn’t be afraid to make it proper dragon-like either, Primeval did it and it was awesome!

    • As a fellow fossil fanatic IMO Alola variations of previous fossils is just absolutely not gonna cut it for me in terms of getting my fill of new prehistoric species for this gen :p . Besides, I can only imagine them making species-based variations for fossils for gens IV and VI, unless they wanna go extremely niche. How the hell would they come up with palaeontologically interesting varations for Omastar and Kabutops apart from maybe unusual Ammonite and Trilobite species?
      Even then that wouldn’t cut it form me, I need meh some more cool fossil creatures, especially as we haven’t had palaeozoic critters in a while, and we’ve never had anything Cenozoic. Wouldn’t need to be some Hawaiian subfossil species like Stilt-Owls or Moa-Nalos mind you, just something new and preferably not a dinosaur.

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      • I do agree that a Cenozoic fossil would be very interesting. I don’t see it happening this time though. As far as variants go, I could see there being plenty of ways to make variants of any of the previously released fossils. I personally see Generation 5 in my mind being prime candidates. But that’s just me. Perhaps I’m just dying for a reason to use Archeops lol.

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        • Yeah I can see a more raptor-like or conversely more bird-like archeops being a thing. Tirtouga and Carracosta would have to go for modern inspiration I guess. I adore the concept of Archen and Archeops (and I imagine you can sympathise with how gobsmacked I was to see the archeopteryx and archelon pokémon I had dreamed of as a kid brought to life in gen V), but I while I do like Archeops, something in it’s design doesn’t sit right with me and thus I kinda prefer Archen. That being said a variation could solve that!

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  13. 722 Rowlet (GRASS/FLYING)
    723 Archoot (GRASS/FLYING)
    724 Robinroot (GRASS/VARIOUS)
    725 Litten (FIRE)
    726 Pantherm (FIRE)
    727 Beltigre (FIRE/VARIOUS)
    728 Popplio (WATER)
    729 Sirilio (WATER)
    730 Sirene (WATER/VARIOUS)
    731 Pikipek (NORMAL/FLYING)
    732 Plukipek (NORMAL/FLYING)
    733 Lumbird (GRASS/FLYING)
    734 Yungoos (NORMAL)
    735 Gumshoos (NORMAL)
    736 Grubbin (BUG)
    737 Charjabug (BUG/ELECTRIC)
    738 Vikavolt (BUG/ELECTRIC)
    739 Rockruff (ROCK)
    740 Weruff (ROCK/VARIOUS) [ST/FY/DK/FT]
    741 Bounsweet (GRASS)
    742 Bountisteen (GRASS/PSYCHIC)
    743 Bounsour (POISON)
    744 Oricorio (FR-EL-PS-GO/FLYING)
    745 Pawssum (DARK)
    746 Possumime (DARK)
    747 Comfey (FAIRY)
    748 Leirie (FAIRY)
    749 Cutiefly (BUG/FAIRY)
    750 Adorasite (BUG/FAIRY)
    751 Quakitt (NORMAL/FLYING)
    752 Bonéné (FAIRY/FLYING)
    753 Bewear (NORMAL/FIGHTING)
    754 Komala (NORMAL)
    755 Dormala (NORMAL/PSYCHIC)
    756 Bruxby (WATER/PSYCHIC)
    757 Bruxish (WATER/PSYCHIC)
    758 Pesp (WATER/PSYCHIC)
    759 Peskool (WATER/PSYCHIC)
    760 Mudbray (GROUND)
    761 Mudsdale (GROUND)
    762 Minior (ROCK/FLYING)
    763 Mightior (ROCK/FLYING)
    764 Darline (NORMAL/VARIOUS)
    765 Darwisker (NORMAL/VARIOUS)
    766 Caterburr (BUG/ICE)
    767 Parkoon (BUG/ICE)
    768 Flycicle (BUG/ICE)
    769 Hijakoon (BUG/DARK)
    770 Snohom (ICE/GHOST)
    771 Snorror (ICE/GHOST)
    772 Delfin (WATER)
    773 Porprise (WATER/VARIOUS)
    774 Cumbersum (WATER)
    775 Anenemie (WATER/POISON)
    776 Mimikkyu (GHOST/FAIRY)
    777 Togedemaru (ELECTRIC/STEEL)
    778 Softle (GROUND)
    779 Panquake (GROUND/DARK)
    780 Shrimpod (BUG)
    781 Wimpod (BUG/WATER)
    782 Champod (BUG/WATER)
    783 Goruggla (FIGHTING/GROUND)
    784 Drakid (NORMAL/DRAGON)
    785 Drampa (NORMAL/DRAGON)
    786 Lumage (PSYCHIC)
    787 Laspell (PSYCHIC)
    788 Libraid (PSYCHIC)
    789 Fiddlob (STEEL/WATER)
    790 Caluca (STEEL/WATER)
    791 Badpole (POISON)
    792 Salandit (POISON/FIRE)
    793 Swindlewt (POISON/FIRE)
    794 Germik (GRASS)
    795 Peppire (GRASS/FIRE)
    796 Triburn (GRASS/FIRE)
    797 Fomantis (GRASS)
    798 Lurantis (GRASS)
    799 Fungkie (POISON/FAIRY)
    800 Hallucid (POISON/FAIRY)
    801 Cubbadge (FIGHTING)
    802 Meritote (FIGHTING)
    803 Stalute (FIGHTING/STEEL)
    804 Hydratom (NORMAL/WATER)
    805 Posatom (FIRE/WATER)
    806 Negatom (ELECTRIC/WATER)
    807 Scruluse (STEEL)
    808 Structor (STEEL)
    809 Crypti (ICE/FIGHTING)
    810 Dustrance (FAIRY/GROUND)
    811 Guardrake (DRAGON)
    812 Guaroyal (DRAGON)
    813 Torgoyle (DRAGON/FIGHTING)
    814 Forgoyle (DRAGON/STEEL)
    815 Cosmot (DARK/ELECTRIC)
    816 Spectrodon (DARK/ELECTRIC)
    817 Quasaur (DARK/ELECTRIC)
    818 Tapu Koko (ELECTRIC/FAIRY)
    819 Tapu Pipi (FIRE/FAIRY)
    820 Tapu Poloka (PSYCHIC/FAIRY)
    821 Tapu Mano (GHOST/FAIRY)
    822 Solgaleo (PSYCHIC/STEEL)
    823 Lunala (PSYCHIC/GHOST)
    824 Malshadow (DARK/FIRE)
    825 Magearna (STEEL/FAIRY)

    Hmm this list look’s good.

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    • To be fair, Fairy types were only introduced a generation ago. I’m sure that Game Freak wants to provide more variety for it (whether or not this list is real).

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  14. the names are pretty bad but then again generation 5 had some pretty bad names as well. This list does look believable though

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  15. Ffs if this list is true, gen 7 is 100% my most favourite. I mean, Poison/Fairy, Dragon/Steel, Electric/Dark, Ground/Fighting, Dragon/Fighting? Too much hype for me to handle!

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      • I want to see my freaking Bug/Dark Mosquito Pestuzz and Vamsipher
        It would be the queen of HP Draining attacks with its signature ability Life Drainer which increases the damage done by HP Draining Moves by 30% and slap on a Big Root for even more,
        And obviously a signature attack “Essence Thief”

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          • Well think of a small bluish blackish round ball with a single pair of wings, and red eyes and a long thin proboscis
            Males on the other hand are roughly the same but much shorter proboscis (Males don’t evolve)

            Then finally a horrifyingly large insectoid creature with four bat like insect wings, a large orange abdomen and connected to a purple black furred body with large claws, the eyes have long antenna like eyelashes with a horrible scowl and the most scary of them all is the humongous harpoon like siphon on their face that is about 3 feet in length

            “These Pokemon are malicious by nature, they hunt prey by sensing body heat and odors, they feed by draining the prey of all fluids then retreating back to the dark forests”

          • I like the idea. We need more bug. ground, ghost and poison types! Water should take a break for a little while and let some other types catch up 😛

          • Also I want my dang legendary trio dealing with the layers of the earth. Grass/Rock = Crust, Fire/Rock = Mantle and Steel/Rock = Inner/outer core

          • That we do, also in the bank I gots
            Smoldoom Fire/Poison
            My Emperor Butterfly line
            My Icy Silk Moth line
            My phantom Pokemon line Spectini Ghostalker Greaper
            A Electric/Dark Gremlin Snafflux (proud of that name)

          • I have over 120 fakemon ideas I’ve been creating for the last couple years. My problem is I’m terrible at coming up with names for stuff

  16. The names look cool and real, but I’ll have to wait to confirm any of them.
    By the way, what is the Pseudo-Legendary Pokémon this generation?
    And, one of the leaks said that Marshadow would have a very unique type combo.It is Fire/Dark?
    And also, you can see that they can’t give a correct type for the final evolution of the starters. Don’t you think that’s strange?

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  17. I don’t think Mageana would only be the event pokemon. Anyway, I can’t tell which ones would become version exclusives, probably Bruxish and Peskool?

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  18. For those that aren’t aware, the suppose “leaker” provided some more clarification, as follows. (Remember this information is NOT confirmed)

    Robinroot: Grass/Flying, Grass, Grass/Ground, Grass/Electric

    Beltigre: Fire/Dark, Fire, Fire/Ghost, Fire/Poison

    Sirene: Water/Fairy, Water, Water/Fighting, Water/Psychic

    Weruff: Rock/Dark, Rock/Fighting, Rock/Steel, Rock/Fairy

    Porprise: Water/Ice, Water/Steel, Water/Fairy, Water/Dragon

    Darline/Darwisker: the fabled breed cats. Normal/Anything.

    Snohom/Snorror, Rugrilla, Delfin/Porprise, Fungkie/Hallucid, Cumbersum/Anenemie all got mentions in previous leaks as well.

    Malshadow has some kind of type-shifting ability, but i don’t know any more on that at this time.

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    • @moving:disqus, these don’t show how many Pokémon will have Alolan’s Forms, so we might get even more “new Pokémon” 😀

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        • That would be great! I love it because it makes the “capturing capsule monsters” even better!
          So many new Pokémon!
          So many new forms for old Pokémon!
          And more Mega Evolutions!
          Taking the competitive side out of the way, I like to fill the Pokédex with them!

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          • Yes, both my Y version and my OmegaRuby version have the Pokédex with the Mega Evoled forms and the Primal Reversions in the Pokédex. Instead of Gyarados, I have Mega Gyarados.
            I also have Hoopa Unbound because it is my favourite form of the two!

    • Maybe this might tie in with the pictures that were leaked of the starters. Remember when everybody wondered why it said ‘Grass 3’ ‘Fire 3’ etc. – what if they were the third variation of the final starters?

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    • That many different versions for the starters? Give me a break. lol I could believe them having split evos like the other rumors suggests, but not this many. That’s ridiculous. lol

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    • I assume these are different forms, right? I like the idea of the Starters having multiple forms. If they are non-changeable, it gives you extra reasons to breed them. It also seems to reference the Alolan forms and how Evolution works. If it’s real, I wonder if the next Generations will also have this.

      However, I’m now curious about what Kusaka and Yamamoto will do for them in Pokémon SPECIAL. Probably a scene where the main characters have to fight opponents that have the other forms, but that doesn’t change the fact he would still have to choose one Starter form over all others for the Dex Holders.
      Kusaka could probably just use the pure type forms, but if these forms are really island-based like Richard Haslam suggested above, he would have to make them evolve really fast depending on which form he chooses.

      Also, the anime writers. They would probably be forced to choose betwen the two late island forms, or come up with an excuse to have the team go back to an early island to evolve to that form, or invent an anime-only excuse to ignore the form rules, like a magical dimension or something like that (remember when all four Sawsbuck forms appeared at the same time?). Starters having multiple forms really adds a new paradigm to the main adaptations.

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      • It seems that way. I also discussed with Kriffix how having more than one typing for evolution makes sense with the presence of Alolan forms in the games. Having more Pokémon evolve differently depending on their location and environments is an amazing idea and it makes sense with the starter Pokémon.

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  19. I hope the Pseudolegendaries are the Electric/Dark types. I’m so tired of dragons being the pseudo. I loves tyranitar and metagross for changing it up

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      • But even then it wouldn’t be unique since greninja kecleon have a type shifting ability as well and with something like protean, any type they become isn’t unique since there has been at least 1 Pokemon with that type

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          • But the whole concept of the word shift means it goes from one thing to another without adding anything
            So for example shifting from a water type to a fire type

            Like protean is a type shifting ability but it doesn’t add the type since 3 types would be pretty op but instead replaces an old one

          • We don’t know if these are real or not but wording of a leaker may be wrong. I still think having a third type slot and being able to shift it to some or any type is also type-shifting.

        • Perhaps Marshadow could be a Ghost/Fighting? Ghost/Fighting because it would have the dark part in Ghost, and Fighting would go along with the theme of Mars since the roman god is the god of war. This has a high chance of not happening because Lunala is already Ghost though..

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  20. Having seen another part of this rumor that discusses that each starter gets a new form/evo based on which island you are on(hence the 4 typings) makes me believe this is false

    Why would gamefreak force us to hold our starter until possibly the last island for just one form? It would be confusing for fans to even know that exists especially if this rumor exists, which person would wait till the last island or second to last island to magically decide to evolve their starter at that time.

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  21. Hmmm I can get behind form changes for the starters. Although I wonder if they will be fixed based on evolution conditions or whether we can freely change them with an item.

    Also somethings tells me, Rockruff will be a forced tutorial capture at the beginning of the game.

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  22. I think starters could definitely use something like this. I mean they’re extremely rare pokemon since you can’t find them in the wild and you’re given them yet they essentially don’t have anything unique about them. These different forms would be a pretty cool route to take.

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  23. That’s interesting….
    I want to see more alola forms… A psyduck more powerful….
    Maybe a gloom/vileplume…. Too
    I really dont think salandit is a 2 form either…. Cool typings…. But it sounds a little bit fake….

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  24. I hope they implement a hyper leveling trick
    XY had Chansey Audino safaris
    ORAS had Blissey Bases

    Now what Earthen wants to see is either a double up on these existing tricks or a new exp cash cow

    Now if I could have a go, level 100 Blissey Horde, but my libra alignment demands a major drawback to equalize such a powerful tool, either some hippie nutjob who fights you once a day

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    • Some stupid dust ball, this guy must be scouting 4chan posts and scraping up all the things to bulk up his post

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      • Hey, I mean if the leak is true, it could be based on a Diamondback Rattlesnake or another desert snake because of the “trance” part in the name.

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        • Then explain the Fairy
          Because why the f*king $&@? would a effing snake be a muther bleeping fairy
          Honestly how did you get freaking snake from Dustrance it’s just beyond comprehension trance? TRANCE? SNAKES DONT HAVE HYPNOTIC PROPERTIES

          It’s just some glorified dust bunny by the name and given typing

          GOOD DAY SIR, HARUMPH

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          • Well I mean trance as in Caudal Luring, which basically is when a predator uses it’s tail movements to attract prey. For example, the Death Adder uses it’s tail like a worm so that it can attract its prey, and then strike at it’s prey.
            I’m not quite sure how Fairy could be incorporated into the Pokemon, perhaps it’s the tail part so it can attract it’s prey. Ground could work perfectly in this situation because of potentially being based on a desert snake.
            Now you are probably are right, and I do respect your opinion Earthen of it probably being a dust bunny. I just believed it could be an interesting route for Dustrance.

  25. So i guess if we get any new pokemon (maybe on the 12th) we will know for sure if this list is real, I love the typings of everything on the list, but tbh if there are various finals for the starters… holy cow is it going to be difficult to choose XD

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  26. What interests me is #811 – #817.
    Could this be our second generation that has two pseudo legendaries and the first to feature a pseudo legendary line that consists of more than three in the line with a possible split evolution?
    Based off names, it seems like a gargoyle line and a dinosaur line.

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      • Yeah same here. Having two Pseudos would be amazing. And I can finally use a Dragon/Fighting type after so long :,D

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          • I think the Fighting/Dragon would have a king-like appearance with it looking like a gargoyle overall, and perhaps the Steel/Dragon one could look like a Gargoyle with armor/knight features due to the evolution line seems to be based on the medieval era. I think it would be awesome!

          • Yeah that’s what I thought too, but it turns out from Bulbapedia it seems to be based off a red-headed rock agama and a European Dragon. It’s a bummer that it isn’t a gargoyle…

  27. Do you guys think that this is true? I don’t want this to be fake. The Guardrake line is something I’ve been waiting for soooo long. I really hope this list is true. Everything seems so good.

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  28. Idk….These names….they’re cool and all, but I’m not sure if I believe them. It’s time consuming, but also very easy to come up with a list of names and post them on a board. Plus we have to consider the leaks we actually DO trust at this point. They said that there weren’t all that many more then the new Kalos Pokemon. In my mind that means no more than 90 new mons. I’ve just become very skeptical of these kinds of rumors I guess….lol Plus is there any real reason to believe this guy yet or is just some random on the internet? lol

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  29. Archoot is what I suggested for the name of Rowlet3! 😛

    I guess that’s pretty easy to guess though, assuming these are legit.

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  30. A detail: we all expected Solgaleo and Lunala to be part Fire and Dark respectively (to represent Day and Night).

    It’s curious to see those 2 types in what it’s supposed to be the 3rd from the legendary trio: Malshadow (Dark/Fire), with apparently a type-shifting ability…

    I still have hope 🙂

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  31. Huh. Interesting, to say the least. However, as gullible as I am, I don’t buy this for a second. The three main reasons are:
    1. I don’t see any fossil Pokemon (I know that we don’t always get them but still).
    2. There is no way that Wimpod is a second evolution. And Salandit for that matter.
    3. Four types for the starters seems very unlikely. After all, this would require different designs, and we’ve seen in the dex, the starters only have two spots after them.

    If this list is true, I have no real problem with it (but rip fossils). But what is our evidence for thinking that this is post worthy, and not just a troll thinking he’ll make something up for fun?

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    • While I agree with a lot of what you said I do have to point out something. Now it doesn’t necessarily mean anything since it’s from another rumor, but there was another rumor that said there were split evos for the starters and that they would share the same spot in the dex like forms typically do. I’m not saying that either is real or are even connected in anyway, but if there really are four evos for the starters then they could very well just take the same spot. And then you’d just pic which art to represent the Pokemon like we already do with forms. with that said I do agree that it seems unlikely they’d make 4 different forms for them.Two maybe, but not four lol

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      • Technically Wormadam does this already so it’s not completely insane. Wormadam can be Steel, Grass or Rock depending on what form Burmy took before evolving. Count them, that’s 3 forms.

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    • Having 4 forms doesn’t mean they will be so much different. They’re not split evos. Maybe they’d change the secondary colors a bit or something like that. Having 4 completely different evos is dumb and if it’s true, why would they share the same exact name?

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    • I definitely see Wimpod and Salandit with two evos, but that’s just me.
      I can argue Salandit is one and two as well, but WImpod, nah, two evos 🙂

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      • I agree. And to be honest, baby salamanders are something like tadpoles, aren’t they? I’m not that good at biology but I seem to remember something about this. I might be wrong though.

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        • I dunno too well, but maybe.
          I just read the list, and I see now he means they are the middle evo for both, and I can somewhat agree with that, I feel they are basic evos, but who knows right?

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      • I think it’ll be two evos, but definitely not a middle stage Pokemon. It’s supposed to be wimpy, so that shouldn’t be a middle stage.

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    • Well! Im from an island and we had never had fossil animal, our land just came out from the water. We didnt have dinosaurs.

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    • “There is no way that Wimpod is a second evolution.”

      If you’d shown me Floette back before X&Y were released and told me it was a second form I’d have said the same thing. Same for Vanillish, and possibly Nuzleaf & Herdier.

      Also had I seen Lairon and Aggron without seeing Aron I would have thought they were another Rhyhorn-Rhydon, and I would never have guessed Rhydon or Piloswine would ever evolve. It’s a strange pokemon world.

      “But what is our evidence for thinking that this is post worthy, and not just a troll thinking he’ll make something up for fun?”

      Because it encorporates pretty much every rumoured leak so far, (including the reddit “I’ve been fired” guy and the chinese stuff,) which even if it were false would be damn impressive.

      There are various things that also make it seem unlikely, including misspelt already confirmed pokemon.

      All the secondary parts of the Tapus have meanings. Koko means blood, Pipi means Cow, Poloko means Frog, Mano means Shark. One place says that Tapu Koko’s Koko refers to Koko Head which seems legit, so if the Tapus will all be named after different locations I don’t know how valid these would be looking.

      Ultimately a lot of the names just seems plausible because of their joke/pun nature, which is something gamefreak likes doing.

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  32. Well, I have no idea what these would look like in execution so… I’m not to worried about names I don’t like 😛
    I’ll wait for corocoro to confirm or disconfirm this before I look at it to closely.

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  33. Brain FAAAAAAART
    I SEE SOMETHING
    A Psychic/Dark Black Hole Pokemon
    Novoid (WIP)
    I see a massive celestial Djinn with a starry vortex that grows darker and darker at the pitch black core at the tip of the tail
    It’s face has Milky Way Galaxy looking jewel in its forehead

    Legend states this great Pokemon bends reality at its will, living in the deepest recesses of space they create black holes to bring in light particles to gain strength

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  34. I feel like they might have
    1- all fake and made up pokemon
    2- taken some real ones they know about somehow and mashed in some fakes.
    in short, I honestly think these are the derpiest names ever. it might just be because there are no pics with the names tho. Finally, 4 starter forms? really? it’s pokemon SUN MOON.
    one evolution for day and one for night is way more possible. this would be the first time starters have more than one form and 4 is just pushing it.

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    • Might be one per island but yeah, it seems weird at first. I’d like it to be true but until we get confirmation, I don’t know what to think about this.

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  35. I’m just here with Team Neutral 🙂 It’s fun to speculate some of these however, some of them are interesting and have fun ideas :3
    I just won’t say they are fake or real until official info comes out to prove these right or wrong.
    And good job PJ, I know a few people who probably didn’t want Pokemon spoiled, especially this early, so I commend you 🙂 And you are right, having the dex, if it is real, leak this early is just in bad taste. I can understand a few days, even a week, before the games come out, but this is too much.

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    • I think it’s false but I wouldn’t mind if it was real, but I wouldn’t mind waiting a while to confirm its legitimacy.

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      • I just want to get over with this speculation thing, at least for this list. Having the Guardrake line is like the best thing that happened to me since Gen 4 introduced evos for Pokémon I liked like Yanmega and Electivire. Wanted a Dragon/Fighting pokémon for more than 6 years. I’m really-really hoping that it’s true.

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      • Yeah, I’m in a similar boat, but I don’t have strong feelings towards either the ‘It’s real’ side or the ‘it’s fake’ side. I’m just here, really.

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      • 😛
        I’ve always been a neutral person though. I can see both sides, and sometimes when you stay on one side, you blind yourself to the other side.

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          • Nah, it’s not your fault. You do you Earthen. Even I can be on one side for certain situations. I just like seeing the other sides on various things. I’m naturally open-minded.

    • I’m one of them! So I’m thankful! I like discovering Pokemon as they are revealed because it’s a lot like discovering them in the tall grass. They’re new and spread out enough that it feels okay. But I want some surprises!

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  36. The only thing that really makes me sceptical about the list is that the starters and some others have four forms..that seems like a bit too many

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    • No one batted an eye when they introduced the concept with Oricorio. True, the starters are a bit far-fetched, but it’s not entirely impossible.

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      • Oricorio has a cool concept, they better not over use it, but that’s another discussion. But, they are starters, Pokemon with arguably the most consistent and specific pattern in the dex every gen. I don’t think they’d do that with starters.

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        • Exactly. Plus, oricorio is based on the Galapagos finches. Gamefreak is trying to go back to simpler times and aiming it still at kids. All these different forms just seems complicated.

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          • It’s not like kids understand evs/ivs/natures but they are still there. For them it would just be a new cool form

      • I think it’s because the starters are considered Sacred. Always Grass-Fire-Water, always Overgrow-Blaze-Torrent, always 3 forms, almost always evolving at level 16 and 36.

        I would be completely fine with other pokemon having different forms depending on the island they’re from, it’s no different from flabebe’s different flower colours or the west sea-east sea Shellos/Gastrodon. I’ll admit it shouldn’t be done with every pokemon, but a handful of 10-20 would be fair game. Especially plants, birds and mammals known to adapt to different climates.

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    • Here’s the thing about Rockruff and the starters having something “special’ going on with them. This isn’t impossible imo. What other things could they have in common if it’s not something like this? It’s not Z-Moves, we already know that, so what?

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  37. Also under Pikipek it becomes Lumbird….as a Grass/Fling
    My bs meter is starting to rise
    It’s just pecks wood for grubs and for homes why and how would it become a plant itself, they don’t eat the tree just make holes
    It should become a Spear Faced weapon bird
    Halbird Steel/Flying

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  38. The two main things that make me think this list is fake:

    Fungkie > Hallucid suggests a pokemon family based on magic mushrooms, with the evolution’s name being based on the word “hallucinate”. I don’t think this would fly in the pokemon series somehow.

    The list seems to suggest Wimpod has a pre-evolution, “Shrimpod”. Wimpod definitely looks like a base pokemon, it’s so small and weak I’d be amazed if it was a stage 1 pokemon.

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    • That’s just like my Psychedelic newt
      Newtrip and Psycko
      Poison/Psychic

      When threatened it sprays a purple mist from its nostrils that causes dizziness and confusion, the brighter the Pokemon’s skin the longer the effects last

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    • First, they did make a pokemon based on zumbie bug who is control by a mushroom and another who is a killer doll pokemon, and second, I can see wimpod being a second stage pokemon with another evolution

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      • Yes but zombie bugs and scary dolls are not taboo / against the law in most cultures. A Pokemon based on psychedelic mushrooms would be a direct, positive reference to illegal drugs. I’m pretty sure the PEGI rating would go up to 16+ / 18+ and the same would happen in other countries.

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  39. On what are softle and panquake supposed to be? I don’t see them making a pancake Pokemon, but they wouldn’t make that pun with anything else, so that’s another red flag to me.

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  40. Is a Snowman Pokemon included? That was from the Chinese Leak. If it’s not in here than I don’t believe this. And I’m not even going to bother looking at the whole list. I don’t want to spoil myself. This is madness. A leaker has hacked into Nintendo very swiftly if this is all true!

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        • Not necessarily. They probably could have been added there to seem more legit since it’s a Pokemon from a known true leak.
          Not saying there’s no chance this could be real, but there is a solid chance it’s fake.

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          • Ah yes. You’re right. I jump to conclusions too often! It reminds me of another leak that was formatted the same way actually that was fake too. It was with a black background like this and listed several fakemons. Text leaks usually raise red flags to me. Especially since this came out right after a big announcement as well as before another big announcement.

          • It’s fine, no worries 🙂 It doesn’t necessarily mean it’s fake, just that it’s not guaranteed as real either. We’ll just have to wait until official word disproves or proves it really

          • If one of the evolved Pokemon, such as Minior is proven, then the entire list is real basically. But a lot of people have guessed that name and could easily just get lucky if an evolution happens to be named that. But I feel like Minior will be a standalone Pokemon and won’t evolve.

    • Yeah, especially this early too. It’s just in bad taste, especially toward people like yourself.
      Like i said, I can understand leaking this a few days before, but now? Yeah, pretty much a dick move.

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      • Part of the fun of hype season is seeing the new concepts for pokemon being released so having them out there on the internet just sucks. I suppose it isn’t as bad as leaking the entirety of X and Y a week before release but still.

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        • Yeah, can totally understand. X and Y was like that due to certain people getting it early. I hoped we wouldn’t get a repeat, but clearly not, if this is real.

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      • Bad taste or not how do we feel about the leak of the starter evos? That was even earlier than this. Basically less than a month after we got the starters themselves hahaha

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    • Well every new Pokemon anyway….naturally there would be more if you count the old Pokemon….either way I’m not sure I buy it lol

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    • Hmmm…. I wouldn’t put too much credence in this leak, as a lot of people have pointed out there do seem to be a good amount of red flags. I think this could be real but from names and typings it’s kind of hard to tell what these Pokemon would be. I don’t find it to be TOO much of a spoiler, at least compared to the art leaks.

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      • I don’t find spoilers of any kind to be bad, but that’s just for me and my experience. I’m an oddball like that xD
        I still think this is too much since some people really wanted the surprise of finding a Pokemon they never heard about before, and while they won’t know what it looks like, they still know about them.

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        • Yeah, same. I eat up any spoilers I can find! I have only gone in blind for one game and while I would love to replicate that I love knowing all the spoilers beforehand too much to restrain myself lol

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          • Yeah, the only game I went completely blind in was Diamond, but that was because I wasn’t on the Internet as much as I am now.
            Regardless, I’m like that with every medium, because my experience will still be there despite knowing about it. I don’t know every detail of what happened, so there is still a surprise factor for me.

          • (I just got into SU so yeah xD And I know a good amount about the show but it doesn’t ruin it for me xD oh and I’m still on the first season, I haven’t been able to watch it the past few days. Once I get back home I will)

    • I wouldn’t go that far. Personally I’d rather have a whole list of names/types leaked than someone leak an image of a pokemon. At least I can still dream up what they might look like, but once an image is leaked, that’s it, the pokemon is set in stone. (*cries over potential 3rd form of litten*)

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  41. You guys, I was thinking about why they would allow a Z-Stone to power up a move of a different typing of the Pokemon itself. Maybe that triggers the type change in certain Pokemon.
    ___
    Seeing that Ash Greninja is in game, a sychro ev pokemon, what if certain Pokemon Ie. Starters and Rockruff Synchro evolve after using a Z-Move. This would explain the rumor each starter has 2 evos.
    This would also explain the obsession with Megan Water Shuriken in the anime.. . Its his Z-Move.. he always leads with. The rumors Did Not say specifically no Synchro evs or hint at it to whoever told me that. I read it all.
    Oh an TyranitarTube helped me piece this together when he called Ash Greninjas Z moves the water shuriken boost.
    ___
    Also, Z-Moves are done the same way Ash and Greninja synch together.. “When the Trainer and Pokémon’s wishes resonate with each other, and both release their full power together”. Sounds like sycnhro to me.

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  42. The only way to check for credibility is to wait for August 12th to see if there is any Pokemon that is revealed on the list. Right now, I’m taking it with a grain of salt. It’s a neat list tho! I want to see the alternate types. I wonder if the starters look will change!

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  43. Also, how are we supposed to read this? It’s too blurry. We need it typed out. The people who don’t like leaks don’t have to read every article.

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    • Oh god. I hate leakers so much! The names of the Islands were also mentioned in GameXPlain’s theory but one can easily assume the Island names due to the colors of the birds and where they will likely be found and because the first Island’s name means Yellow and the Second means Green. And the whole Litten evolution on four legs is a bunch of bullcrap. That leaker is just saying that to hit some nerves.

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      • There was also some sign of sorts in front of the entrance of Lush Jungle that had the colors Red, Yellow, Pink, and Purple. And it has been confirmed the second island is called Akala, which means pink.

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    • T_T No just… Just no
      AZ’s Floette is clearly much much different than any puny Floette
      -It holds an Eternal Flower
      -Existed in Kalos for 300 Years
      -Owned by AZ’s Mother
      This is just not an Alolan Variant

      People we need to remember what Alolan Variants actually are, they are specifically environmentally altered/adapted

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    • I don’t think any of the Alolan forms will have significantly higher BSTs than their original forms, which AZ’s floette has.

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    • I doubt it. AZ had Floette for years and it seems like Alolan Forms are currently restricted to Kanto Pokemon for the 20th Anniversary! Neat thought tho!

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      • I don’t see why people are jumping to that conclusion so soon. We literally only got three lines, totalling five Pokemon. If you want the math, that’s roughly 0.7% of the existing Pokemon that could receive Alolan forms. It’s highly illogical to make such an assumption as “only Kanto Pokemon will receive Alola variants” this early on.

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        • Obviously, I don’t want this to be the case! Just based on the recent leaks, it seems like it’s just Kanto Pokemon. It’s why I said “it seems like”. Judging GameFreak, it might be the case to bring back long time fans!

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  44. How do you think breeding Kanto Alola forms will go in terms of not using Ditto?
    I’m assuming if I breed a normal Ninetales with an Alola Ninetales, the result would be based off a gender, most likely having the baby be based off the Male.

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      • If you bred two finches from one island on another island, the offspring would still be the same as the parents. It would take generations to evolve to the variant of the new island. The same is likely the case with Alolan Pokemon: two Kanto Ninetales would make a Kanto Vulpix, even when bred in Alola.

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      • I would say probably not, that would make no sense, I think if you breed two ice you would get ice and if you bred two fire you would get fire. I think it would work like previous forms like Pumpkaboo and shellos where if you breed two different forms it would inherit the moms form.

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  45. For all of you that think it’s fake just because it doesnt metion fossil pokemon, well I live in an Island, we have never had fossil pokemon, like dinosaur or birds Because our land came from the water, those part of land didnt appear like Africa, America or those country.

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  46. This just drives me nuts. I really think these leaks are kinda legit actually and that we got another Insider on our hands. Sun and Moon has done a lot of unique stuff and I can totally see the Starters evolving into something dependant on what Island you’re on. Sure, the way the leaker worded it with Litten may be pulling our chain and being a dick about it, but I can kinda see this happening.

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  47. What Alolan Form do you guys want to see most? I want to see a Water/Dragon Dragonite or a Psychic Machamp. I’m keeping my wants to Kanto for now! Yet, you could provide Pokemon outside of Generation One.

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    • I want a Mega Dragonite instead of an Alola Form. I think the Alola Forms take away the chance of a Pokémon getting a mega and I certainly don’t want that. All pseudos should get a Mega and nothing else.

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        • But 4/7 got them already so for pattern fulfillment sake they should happen as they have before :p
          It’s just not fair otherwise, and looks wrong on paper too.

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          • GACK. I find that idea absolutely revolting. As much as I hated megas when they first appeared, I’ve grown to appreciate them for what they are. A retcon on that scale is a mind-bogglingly horrendous idea that wouldn’t sit well with most fans and would perturb what we got used to in competitive.

            Obviously just my opinion though 🙂 , though every time I see the opinion megas should be removed expressed I want to bury whoever said it in my vomit haha.

          • I’m not saying get rid of all Megas, but some of them, like the Pseudos, have bad designs and are no better than they were without them..

          • Well, their design quality is really a matter of taste, Tyranitar for instance seems pretty universally approved, and metagross and salamence have designs that may not appeal to some, but that conceptually are pretty difficult to fault. The only weak design IMO (concept-wise, I don’t mind it that much but wish we got something better) is Garchomp, it’s just sort of more monstrous and bulky for no clear conceptual reason.

            And wouldn’t removing some megas make even less sense than removing all of them? I get that you might not want them to exist, but surely selectively culling megas is just so unlikely it’s not a possibility worth exploring?

          • Yeah, exactly my point. 4 of the 7 existing got megas. They should give Dragonite and Hydreigon a mega this gen and Goodra and the new one in the one after that. Removing Mega Evolution would be the dumbest thing they could do after spending so much time building a story around it. Removing like 30 almost new Pokémon is just pointless. They should nerf Mega Rayquaza tho.

          • Couldn’t agree more, except about mega Rayquaza, I think it’s quite amusing it has a tier of it’s own. But yeah they should probably nerf Delta Stream, it was a very stupid idea.

      • YES I WAS ABOUT TO SAY THIS THANK YOU. If I could like this ten times over I would.

        Maybe it’s my slightly OCD attachment to patterns, but I think Alola forms should exist in parralel to megas, not as a replacement.

        Mega dragonite should indeed reflect the grace and poise (as well as the blue colour) of dragonair if it’s to be a successful design IMO, but if such a desing is born it needs the stats to compete with it’s peers, not just a rearrangement.

        If we get alola dragonite, hydreigon, frosslass, slowking, milotic etc rather than megas, as much as I think regional forms are a better concept than megas, I will be absolutely fuming.
        It was bad enough megas stole evolutions from pokémon like Banette and Houndoom that had sooooo much potential for great evolution concepts. (In fact I’m still hoping we get branched megas/evos at some point. Scyther cruelly needs a mega hahaha).

        That being said I wouldn’t mind variant pseudos, as long as we got megas too. That would be a hell of a mess though.

        More forms might make things messy on appearance, but they should have a semblance of underlying logic rather than just catering to hyping whatever new form type they come up with each generation (and god forbid we get more than megas and regional variants).

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        • I wouldn’t mind Mega Dragonite staying the color it already is, but some blue and resemblance to Dragonair would certainly make it more majestic. Tbh, Dragonite was my least favourite pseudo until quite recently when I decided to train up a Dratini I got from a random egg. I started using it in Maison and it just felt soooo good. It’s my favourite pseudo now. Wishing for a Mega…

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          • Yeah blue isn’t essential, but not reflecting Dragonair would be a crime. As much as I love Dragonite’s goofy friendly dragon concept, I can sympathise with people who think it squanders it’s prevolutions’ potential.

            My favourite megas are the ones that either use previously unexplored real life concepts and apply them organically to the pokémon, those that push them to their logical extreme, and most of all those that take unexplored elements from their prevolutions and expand them or reuse them. That’s why I think megas like Salamence and Gyarados have the best designs, because they respectively regrow Shelgon’s armour and regain some defense, and embody the Dragon-Carp concept to perfection, better than gyarados does (though it just being a full-on dragon is also coneptually sound). It’s also why I’m dissapointed in megas sceptile which, while awesome and sporting a autotomic tail missile, doesn’t do what it should have done. I’m sorry but Grovyle is very often preferred to it’s evolution design wise, and we should have gotten a darker, grass-flying sceptile with a huge head-leaf to reflect that. Hopefully if we get mega sceptile n°2 someday…

            In any case I think Lucario is without a doubt the worst mega-evolution design out there with it’s weird dreadlocks and dinosaur spikes. It looks exactly like what a 5-year old told to make lucario look cooler would create. I can’t discern any visible inspiration in it’s design apart from “let’s pimp it”.

      • Alolan forms with megas are like megas with evos.
        Just replace mega with alola form and megas with evos.
        I guess as time goes on, the statement still exists but the concepts change

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        • But Alolan forms will likely just have stat redistributions, thus making pseudos and other pokémon unequal to their mega peers.
          Plus it was bad enough when megas replaced evos (I’m still pinng for mega/evo split lines to be a thing, some pokémon like banette were just robbed of an evo), but Alola forms replacing megas is even worse.
          Just replacing making old form types with whatever new form type you’re making regardless of logical balance and patterning is a horrendous way to do things in my eyes. It’s cheap and lazy. As much as I love regional variants as a concept, if they just replace what should be new megas I’m gonna be very angry at gamefreak. And judging by their general track record I’m worried, since they’ve apparently already abandoned evos, a decsion no one ever has supported or understood…

          I dream of a world where we get evos, megas and alola exist in harmony, and all keep being made in a way that’s logical and balanced. And I’m always gonna heavily despise game freak for not having that.

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          • I’m just pointing out the similar statements that’s all.
            And I disagree. I don’t think alola forms = megas at all. Heck, we might get alola form megas (megas for alola forms, since they did mention abra)
            With Alola Forms, it’s hard to use logic to decide on the details. You can make any POkemon Alolan form so long as there is a reason why (ex. vulpix migrating to the snowy mountains) in real life, that’s how it works. It’s random and there’s no pattern.

          • Spot on! And yeah, I want Alolan megas! Hell, if some pokémon get megas, alolan forms, and alolan megas, it’s gonna be a hell of a mess. But it’ll be a conceptually sound mess, and the kind of mess I think the pokémon world should aim to be in the future 🙂 .

          • Exactly. Making an Alola Form for Dragonite instead a Mega is just like making it inferior to things we call Mega Tyranitar, Mega Garchomp, Mega Metagross and Mega Salamence. Those things exist, and even if they aren’t that good (idk, I don’t play competitively), they still get that 100 BST boost. Alola Forms certainly don’t increase the BST or even if they do, they won’t boost it by 100 points. I want balance for the pseudo legendaries and the previous gen starters at least. Kanto’s getting too much love lately anyway. Unova doesn’t get anything.

        • Zangoose’s food source was near a power plant and there were some normal types there that he needed to punch to get to the food!

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        • Ok, up until now I’ve been avoiding thinking up alolan forms but just this once to show how to do it correctly.

          Alolan Zangoose – Steel/Normal. Its claws and skeleton became steel so it could finally kill its mortal enemy Seviper. Originally it was just a freak mutation, but eventually all the Normal Zangoose were wiped out, leaving only the Steel-Normal Zangoose (because the Steel gave it an advantage rather than just immunity).

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    • I want to see a Poison/Fire Alolan Koffing and Weezing. They should be volcanic. But then again there are a lot of volcanic Pokemon.
      I also want to see a Grass/Psychic Alolan Jynx stylized after a hula dancer.
      And lastly, I want to see a Grass/Fairy Oddish Line. Oddish will have smaller leaves and have a lighter blue body. Gloom will have a lighter blue body and be drooling yellow/gold liquid (Nectar) and will have a closed flower similar to that of Ivysaur’s, but more frilly like a hibiscus and the orange long leaves will be green. Vileplume will have a fully bloomed Hibiscus (With the pistil and stuff) that can come in Red, Yellow or Orange depending on the time of day you caught it. Red in the Morning, Orange during the day and Yellow at Night. The color doesn’t change after you catch it. It will have a lighter blue body.

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      • The colour not changing after being caught if it’s based on the time it was caught and not where it was caught doesn’t make sense whatsoever. If different colours lived on different islands it would make sense, but time doesn’t stop for a pokemon once you’ve caught it. If the colour was decided by the time of day when you evolved it rather than caught it, that would also make some sense but be a bit dubious.

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        • Well. It dies make sense because the Hawaiian Hibiscus tree changes flower color throughout the day. It’s red in the morning, orange during the day and yellow in the night.

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    • Bug/Dark Scyther. When imported to Alola by Kanto tourists, Scyther was forced to adapt to an ecosystem that was clearly against it. Instead of taking chances of being attacked by the strong Pokémon of the day, the Alolan Scyther bides it’s time until nightfall when small Pokémon wander off and get lost in the dark. The Alolan Scyther, using its much thinner but swifter scythes, slices its prey and feasts on their insides.

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    • A furry Zubat line. It was the flagbearer for an old idea I had of making pokémon subspecies, that has unbelievably come true 😀 . It’s evos could stay troglobitically eyeless as well, which would be amazing! Don’t care much about their type, they could be dark, normal, or even stay poison.
      Also a strong magikarp, like they used to be, based on koi carps, though I’d rather this was primal Magikarp and it got a stat boost to -1 of gyarados’, just like eternal flower floette.

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  48. Things that give away leaks as fake:

    1. Text leaks that come before or after a major announcement
    2. A Text Leaker being cocky, saying statements such as: “You’ll see when the information is revealed on !” Ex. – Fired “European Employee” Leak
    3. Leaks being too dreamy or too complex. Ex. – Litten has alternate final form that is on four legs instead two and can evolve differently on a different Island.

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    • Well, those things don’t give it away but they do certainly make them suspicious :T
      I do think that a lot of the Pokemon in the leak seem suspicious as well be I have no idea.

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      • Yeah. I read over the leak. A lot of these Pokemon seem very unoriginal and there’s too many that apparently take alternate form paths, such as Pipipek into Normal/Flying then Grass/Flying and that Dolphin Pokemon (though the Chinese Leaker mentioned the Dolphin but didn’t mention if it had two stages or an alternate way of evolving). If this is a real list, I’m going to be held back with disgust!

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    • 4. Wimpod and Salandit are middle stages
      5. The starters only have two spots after them in the dex (I know it takes one spot but they said it was for alternate forms as well)
      6. No fossil Pokemon, while possible, seems unlikely.

      And while not really evidence, Panquake?!?! Really?!?

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      • Panquake; The BREAK-fast Pokemon. When put in a stack with other Panquake, it can cause tectonic plates to shift, the only way to stop this is by drowning it in Maple Syrup. This Pokemon makes an excellent meal, especially when cooked with buttermilk. This is why it’s almost extinct… 😛

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  49. Can’t decide if I want to use Lugia or Espeon in Soul Silver. I’m about to do Kanto but I can’t decide. I really like Lugia, but he’s also a legendary and I actually used Espeon in the game. Bleeehhh cant decide!

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  50. I’ve been playing shadows of almia recently and you can ride doduos in that game, do you think we might be able to ride them in sun in moon?

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  51. pkmn who need alolan treatment`

    gen1
    arcanine (duh, make it water, water/dragon as the fake one seen bef4)
    Cloyster (needs some love!)
    Venomoth
    Rapidash (maybe make it a grasstype IDK)
    (others I don’t name because in the leaks they already recieve one)

    gen2
    Lantern (!!)
    Furret (make it even more awesome)
    Corsola (poison/fairy)

    gen5
    Sawsbuck (ground it up)

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    • Madre de dios am I the only one who understands how Alolan Forms actually work?
      None of these make a lick of sense
      They’re not a free pass just to make things new or exciting, but how different environments change a pokemon

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      • Right, which can happen to any Pokemon at any time. Evolution is like that. It’s random, unpredictable. There’s no pattern.
        So anything can happen at this point.

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        • Not in this case, these just sound like the fevered drooling wishes of over zealous fanatics who just want estranged type combos for Pokemon that little to do with them, and provides no information to back up their wants

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          • I’ll admit the process is extremely capable, but unless Onix of the Alola region frequently burrow at massive depths in superheated tunnels to compress and purify their bodies.

          • But it still has a chance of happening though, since anything can be done with them. Anyone can back it up with info.
            Like with mine. I imagine Luxray’s line could have an Alolan form of Poison/Dark. Reasoning – When they came over to Alola, they got pushed into an volcanic area with toxic gases, adapting it to their use. However, since their prey know to avoid the toxic gas, they use sneaky, tricky ways to trap their prey and use their gas to poison them.

          • Ehhh that is a humongous stretch, they probably would’ve moved out of the toxic habitat, being capable predators they probably wouldn’t find it difficult to find a suitable land with minimal apex predators

          • Maybe, maybe not. Maybe Bewear was too much. Maybe humans pushed them there. That does happen with a lot of real life species, including one from my home state, the Florida panther.
            Point is, anything could happen

          • They didn’t push Bewear away, they just heavily warn people because Bewear are so unusually powerful and interaction could be detrimental to their personal safety

          • I was talking about the Luxray line. Humans pushed them away to that habitat I mentioned before. Comparison to Florida panthers. In real life, Florida panthers need a good amount of territory yet due to human population, their numbers got so low that we had to move some mountain lions in to hopefully get their population back up.
            Same thing could happen here, except instead of the Luxray line dying out, they adapted to the environment given to them 🙂

          • Yeah, it could be seen as stupid, but that’s an opinion :3
            And I dunno, did Vulpix’s fire phase out? You could say that with any Alolan form 🙂

          • Like I said I understand how Vulpix could be ice due to generations of dying out and growing immune to the weather, my only disproval is the Fairy Typing and Sandshrew’s Steel typing

          • They both do make some sense, and to Gamefreak that’s clearly enough.

            The fairy typing is to do with Ninetales’s mystical properties, which have been a thing since gen I. It makes conceptual sense. If they made the original line today, Ninetales may well have been fairy, psychic or even maybe ghost type. People kept adding those types to putative megas… They’re just modifying the Alolan ninetales to be what they would now do to the original one if they didn’t avoid frivolous retcons.

            As for sandshrew and sandslash the steel typing is given partly to introduce that new type combination (though a new pokemon for that would have been better), but they justify it by underlying how hard sandshrew and sandslash’s scales have become in their transition to an ice form. You could simply rationalise it as a modification of their original mineral nature as ground types into something different due to the effect of environmental pressure. Maybe they found a new way of concentrating and latticing metal ores or something.

          • The Sandslash one really doesn’t change me, I don’t accept Gamefreak experimenting with possible better type combos to better it
            I believe it as a species itself and how it’s biology comes into effect
            I could agree it could survive in the ice after years of adapting, but still I don’t agree on adding extra types without solid proof “Icy shell as hard as steel” what they say word for word is like a binding contract not just some typo

          • Maybe the ice contains metal as you’ve suggested. They don’t say anything that contradicts that idea. I don’t see “pure ice in that description… So semantically all is well.

            It might not make immense sense, but their steel-type can be rationalised from their description within evolutionary theory concepts applied to the pokémon world. You not accepting that is really a matter of personal taste/arbitrary line-in the sand standards of “logic”, and I feel no amount of stating facts can sway you, so I’m just gonna leave it at that and vainly hope you loosen up a bit so you can enjoy these forms for what they are.

          • Sunkern line . Throw into a volcano as a peace offering to the gods .it becomes fire/ghost and sneaks vengence on the lands of the pokemon world for treating it to so badly. the end

      • Once again. This is a place where you can fantasize about the future of pokemon. I’m not giving reasons why they change, just a wishlist

        Logics out the window. So stop acting like ur better then people, understanding everything, correcting people. #byefelicia

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    • Isn’t arcanine already out of the picture since we had seen a wild arcanine in alola with the Komala footage?

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    • Arcaine: due to its hunting nature, when the first Alolans roam the islands they used Growlithes and Arcanines to help them hunt to fish, they became excellent swimmers, as time went on Arcanines started adapting gills due to them always hunting for fish. gaining a a fin like tails and such. Water Type
      Venomoth: Due to its nature of producing Poison out of its wings, Venomoths were very protective over the flowers they protected. Comfey a pokemon native to Alola would be the ones to take the flowers once fully bloom, venomoths being around these sweet flowers the armoua of their wings went from a poisonous gas to a amazing sweet smell attracting tourists all over, Fairy/Bug
      Rapidash: due to the fire it leads behind Rapidash were were shun to the rocky mountains of the region, being in place where they could rarely run their fires basically blew out, growing a rocky, and moss all over them. Grass/rock

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  52. Well, at least it’s not going to take forever to confirm/deconfirm this “leak” because we should be getting news in the next few days.

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    • That’s what I said. We just got to wait till Friday. I’m a bit confused because the starters only had two stages. Unless, you change the forms within the menu; similar to how Mega evolution was handled in dex of OR/AS.

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  53. Oh snap! This list seems to be implying 2 pseudolegendary lines again!

    Torgoyle/Forgoyle (Dragon/Fighting or Steel)
    And Quasaur (Dark/Electric)

    I REALLY hope this list is real! It’s simply amazing!!

    Also yes to a salandit evo and the grass fire chili pepper line.

    However Tapu Pipi just ain’t gonna fly here in the states for obvious reasons lol

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  54. So from what I’ve heard, CoroCoro comes early on the 12th this month. But is there a chance of it leaking early, as in earlier than usual, because it comes out so soon?

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  55. When are we expecting a Coro Coro leak? 11th onwards is usual.

    This all seems awesome, but definitely fake. I can’t ever see the starter finals having various typings. The names sound legit, but it’s just all too good to be true.

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  56. these “leaks” always come out before cororcoro or trailer is coming out. most of them were fake. this list could of been made little by little and he/she just added the new pokemon as time went on

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          • I don’t agree with really any of the choices
            Exeggutor shouldn’t be a Dragon
            Ninetales shouldn’t be a Fairy
            And Sandslash shouldn’t be Steel it just doesn’t provide any soild information on those additional types

          • Because they did it wrong
            I can accept how extreme microclimates can alter a Pokemon but secondary types out of nowhere really grind my gears

          • Exeggutor is based on a dragon palm tree.
            And Sandslash/Sandshrew’s info say it’s ice body is as hard as steel, and the claws on Sandslash are steel.
            I dunno what inspiration could have caused the Fairy typing, but the idea that it’s a gentle mirage spirit could be it, I dunno.
            Anything could happen

          • “Yes since we found out
            Since we found out
            That anything could happen
            Anything could happen”

          • As steel doesn’t mean it is steel, maybe if they said the artic region had high levels of mineral deposits that clung to their skin and eventually fused then it would make sense

          • regular ninetales is already mysticy, it could be fire/ghost with the whole ‘Cursed if you look at it wrong’ thing.

          • But it was made ice/fairy to show that a pokemon had to change depending on the climate it adapted from

          • I’m glad it’s ice and fairy. I guess I’m kinda protective over the Ice/Ghost type since Froslass is one of my favorites and it has a unique type. But we’re getting that snowman so oh well

          • Yeah, same here. I was talking more so about original Ninetales xD I felt like it should have been Fire/Ghost to start with, but pure fire is fine

          • Impossible Rhydon’s and Rhyperior’s bodies are able to withstand the heat
            Rhyhorn can too but to a lesser extent

          • did i say it cant handle heat? no. If it couldnt handle heat it wouldnt grow molten lava rock all over it

          • Yeah but are we battling no, we are discussing the freaking effects of evolution of freaking Pokemon existing in a extremely differing environments and how that has altered their appearance and abilities

          • It could be advantageous for the rhy-line to incorporate fire-typing without needing it to survive in a volcano. It’s useful against grass types for instance. Plus it doesn’t have to be a survival condition for them to assimilate the fire type. They might just do it because they can. Would still make complete logical sense. If it’s not disadvantageous, a mutation can take hold. Evolution isn’t just driven by the necessity of survival, it’s driven by random chance and contingency.

          • it has to be in this case
            Otherwise these forms wouldn’t exist

            How many times do I have to say it, these are environmental changes, Exeggutor is bathed in sunlight year round, Sandshrew and Vulpix fled to the icy north

            How does that justify a Poison/Dark Luxray or a bleeping Fire/Steel Seaking, it just doesn’t

          • Like I said in my explanation, in my expanded info, humans drove the species to the toxic volcanic areas. It had to adapt a tolerance to them to survive. Plus the prey there know about the toxin, so they had to use underhanded tactics to eat. The ones who randomly were born to tolerate and eat lived on. Bam, survival right there.
            Is it perfect? No, but nothing is.
            Plus, mutations are random chance. Some mutations appear and it turns out it helped out the species just a bit more.

          • Ech… Did you read what I said? Do you understand how evolution works IRL? The fact is from the Alola forms we already have, the first ones bloody revealed, we can see it’s not just simple environmental adaptation, however much you wish it was. I’m sorry about you being confused because it goes beyond where you put your line in the sand as to what amount of logic is sufficient, but it just isn’t simply environmental variation. It’s environmental variation with bells and whistles such as auxilliary types, with some justification. It’s also ecological factors such as competitive exclusion leading to fire and ground types that would otherwise be just peachy on a tropical island paradoxically migrating to icy heights and being forced to adapt there.
            And it’s not just slow local adaptation either, it’s also instant-change phenotypic plasticity like Exeggutor.

            The thing is, there’s real-life or in-universe conceptual justification to all of these choices, and that’ what led game freak to create these forms.

            Now I’d agree people are getting quite overexcited and taking things too far in some cases (I don’t know what the conceptual inspiration for a fire-steel seaking would be apart from personal taste for example), and I personally would rather game freak stuck to ideas that either have biological or cultural inspiration, or are very unique and clever, like all pokémon usually are.

            But the fact is within the strictures of the pokémon world any type evolution could be justified through evolutionary theory, and your view of what that theory constitutes here is too narrow to accommodate even existing Alola forms. One could come up with multiple environmental, ecological and genetic justifications for any given type combination, for any pokémon, and it would still make some sense.

            The key question afterwards I guess is whether you’re using a sound conceptual inspiration or a worthwhile creative idea (ideally both), and that for the wizards at game freak to judge. Some fan ideas do indeed seem to be too wishy-washy, but really you never know with GF. I think in many cases the call really is down to subjective tastes and logic as to wether a form could be made. And the fact you can’t/won’t agree with the current existing forms isn’t gonna help you with that.

      • Who knows, but would anyone have predicted, given knowledge of the concept of Alola forms, ice type vulpix and sandshrew in Alola of all places???

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        • I still don’t approve of them, they really mucked up the system, it was fine to change primary typing but when they add stuff then it causes trouble

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          • The only “system” it really mucked up is the one you made sense of the pokémon world through. Clearly if the first Alola forms revealed break the preconceptions you have of what Alola forms should be, then your own system is too narrow to accommodate the breadth of the concept, and it’d be easier to try and revise it or you’ll probably keep getting frustrated.

          • I like things that make fucking sense, you guys just want new type combos for things and half the time you never back it up, you understand that half the shit I pitch is believable, I’m not just spouting nonsense I put my brain to think of how this things actually freaking work

          • Yes because people used it as a dumbass wildcard to get shit they wanted, “oh I want a Water/Grass Volcarona why I dunno it just would be cool” “or this mega Milotic should happen because I want it”
            Just so much annoying things from stupid people

            I do not accept anything without reason or logic, I simply must demand the utmost of reality in something I truly follow

          • How would that be hypocritical at all
            They’re already freaking from the Alola region WHAT POSSIBLY WOULD THEY HAVE A FORM

          • I know it doesn’t make sense! That wasn’t the point. Just pretend he was from another region or something and it was Water/Fairy. You say that people use these forms to get what they want. If they made a form that was Water/Fighting you’d be all over that because it is what you want.

          • Because that’s not how things fucking work bro
            They work because cold hard facts and logic state how they change because of their environment

          • Yet there are moments in Pokemon where logic doesn’t work, okay? Plus, any species can adapt to any environment.
            Like seriously, you talk all the time about your wishes and what you want, but crap on people who talk about their wishes. We don’t do the same for you.
            I’m sorry you don’t get what you want, but that doesn’t mean you get to step over what other people want.
            I don’t normally get this way, but seriously, you need to cool down and stop.

          • This has nothing to do with what I want, this is about how THEY turn out, I’m thinking solely about the Pokemon and how it will evolve not how I want it to turn out

          • Yes it does! Your Popplio evolution, even with the logic, is basically STILL a wish. Something you want to happen. Just like our Alolan Form ideas, we put logic in them too, but it’s also a wish. Doesn’t mean your ideas are superior to ours. Doesn’t mean you can deny them.

          • And yet you wanted Popplio to be water/fighting without any logical reasoning. And nobody asked for a Water/Grass Volcarona. Way to exaggerate.

          • Because in the official site it is stated that Popplio incorporate acrobatic stunts through the use of their bubbles
            Evolution would allow them to build stronger muscles to gracefully swim and vault themselves into the air, to preform elegant stunts that could also serve as a dangerous fighting style

          • Did you not read what I said, using their acrobatic jumps and precision they build up their muscles to preform elegant attacks

          • “Popplio’s swimming speed is known to exceed 25 mph. It’s better at moving in the water than on land. Still, when it’s on land, it takes advantage of the elasticity of its balloons to perform acrobatic stunts and jumps.”

          • What does that have to do with Popplio, you’re just pulling that out of nowhere without reason. It’s based on a Clown, so I’ll give you acrobatic, but in no way does acrobatic mean fighting.

            Stop making things up without reason Earthern, we don’t even know of any fighting type moves it learns.

          • Omfg you plebeians
            It is a clown, that makes me think of preformers
            And the very moment it said it preformers acrobatic stunts using its bouncy bubbles I thought of a acrobatic, and with its ruffle it makes me think of those fancy Cirque De Sole performers where they do all that crazy airborne stunts
            I never pull anything out of nowhere (ignoring my magic satchel jokes)
            And evolution would allow it to be stronger and develop these skills and allow it to turn any battle into a dazzling performance since that’s what they do

          • Martial Arts is in no way a dazzling performance. Watch UFC and you’ll see.
            What you’re describing sounds more like dancing. From an acrobat, into a dancer. Fairy sounds about right for a Popplio evolution.

          • You cannot be more wrong
            Martial Arts can be the most elegant and spectacular visual display of body and soul

          • “but in no way does acrobatic mean fighting”
            You’ve obviously never seen the chinese circus where they combine acrobatics and martial arts.

  57. Speaking of Sinnoh remakes, they would never do this, but I would love if they included locations from the anime like Alamos Town (From Rise of Darkrai) and Michina Town (from Jewel Of Life)

    I really like these areas and they could be a way of implementing the event pokemon into the game

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    • It’s something that would be fun, it would add in more things to do. Hopefully S/M has DLC so we’re able to go do more.

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    • Speaking of sinnoh remakes as well, Pokemon has been getting easier recently, so I hope they don’t ruin the difficulty that the originals presented. I love the games for that, playing platinum right now actually.

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        • It’s a long overdue feature, that as far I as know got positive reception in BW2. The only reason I can think of why they wouldn’t be back is because of time constraints.

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          • it wasn’t good in B2W2 because you had to beat the game once to get it, which sucked since you never really want to start over your save until the next game or two comes out and you send your pokemon there so you don’t have to get rid of your emotional investment.

          • Still better than nothing. The lack of any challenge in XY was unnacceptable to me, I hope that it never happens again. Just give us options at the start, and everyone is happy.

          • XY was weird to me, the first 2 gyms had a divide that was maybe a bit too long between them, and then you just keep plowing through, you only use surf in like 2 places, the route immediately after you get it, and victory road, I think. you only backtrack once, not including returning to lumiose, and that’s to stop team flare. and even then I feel like it’s just thrown in there, no reason. DPPt had you go after the evil team after the 7th badge, but it wasn’t haphazardly placed, you had to get the badge to continue the plot, it wasn’t just there.

      • Pokemon hasn’t been getting easier, you’ve been getting better.
        That and the new exp share mechanic makes levelling up go quicker.

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    • I made a comment on one of the other articles about how they should include locations from the films. Mewtwo’s secret lab/fort was a really neat location.

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  58. With the amount of attack oriented ice types we seems to be getting at this rate, I really hope this means they’re buffing the type. It is the hands down worst type and that sucks because I love it!

    Hopefully we can get some good new ice moves and abilities and maybe even some tweaks to the type chart

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  59. well heres my take
    Alolan forms are basically a opening to future regions inhabiting older pokemon who gained new looks,types, and ability depending on where it adaptation took place. so Alola is tropic we could see a region with mostly deserts(Egypt) a Icy region (Sweden etc) and much more, pokemon being able to do this new thing with forms opens up the many doors of possibility

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      • Eat or be Earthen it seems like. I know he’s… Earthen but you guys shouldn’t gang up on him. That’s the tea.

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        • Yeh, I agree we probably shouldn’t, but sometimes it’s just too much fun. Also he needs to learn, that he can’t get away with everything he says, without contention

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          • Its not fun, its annoying that he’s able to get away with it. He’s rude and goes against the whole community aspect of this site; shooting down others ideas with a full force insult cannon and not allowing us to get a word in edge wise. He’s been blocked by me personally, a long time coming.

  60. If the starters have one alternative final form each, that would explain why they took a chance on so questionable designs that more than obviously would disappoint most fans.

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  61. Thought of a cool idea for an alolan Froslass. I guess it is kinda similar to Popplio 3, but what if it became a Water/Ghost type and trapped sailors under the sea kinda like how Froslass kidnaps travelers in the snow

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  62. I’m not saying these leaks are true but what it shows us DO line up with stuff from the Chinese leak as well as Rockruffs possible secret. As he clarified, the firtle cat, Snowman, Ground/Fighting(Rugby Monkey), Sea Cucumber, Dolphin, and Mushroom were all mentioned in a previous leak, that being the Chinese Leak. As for Rockruff’s secret that it shares with the starters, that’s seeming the various typings for the final evos which also lines up Chinese leak saying there MAY BE Two final evos for the starters but not NOT CONFIRMED, making it possible to be more than two which this leak shows. Also Rockruff evo in this leak is a Werewolf as the Chinese leak says. Again, I’m not saying it’s real but it’s looking really credible so far. Anyways we’ll know soon enough.

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    • But think about it.The points you made can be summed up with: they took what someone else has said and made names for those pokemon making sure to keep every aspect of the leaks in the list. Everything matches up with a leak thats been out for weeks. If this preceded the chinese leak, I’d believe them. But that list could just have easily been created on the fly as more info was “leaked” and as long as things match up, a lot of people suddenly see legitmacy.

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  63. Alright, what do you expect to see from corocoro (exclusively) and the 12th update, since it’s due any day now?
    Personally, I expect:
    – 2-3 Alola forms
    – 2 new Pokemon, probably and ice type.
    And from the August 12th update:
    – 2 new Pokemon on top of CoroCoro
    – Trial Captains and Kahuna

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  64. Im disappointed these came out, but Im glad PJ decided not to showcase them. It’s unfortunate that the list could potentially be leaked, but there are too many red flags (like making us wait to the last island to potentially get a starter form. NO THANKS) that are keeping me from jumping on the legit ship. I can see why people could find these to be real, but I’m gonna let it set sail without me. Ill be happily awaiting the Corocoro to see if it legitimizes this. Personally, I think we’re getting megas so we’ll see.

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    • Nobody said that the starter evos would be based on islands. Sure, it’s possible and likely but doesn’t make any difference. Making us wait for the final starter type and not evolving our starter for like the 3/4 of the game is dumb.

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      • That’s what I’m saying, and people are saying Rockruff and the starters are given different forms depending on where they evolve.

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        • imo thats way to complex xD. No I don’t want to evolve Rowlet in level 36 on island two, because I want the one I will get when evolving on island 4 xD, so it evolved in level 56

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          • lol im not following. (And I call myself a diehard pokemon fan… im not as knowledgeable as I think lololol)

          • In Kanto in Gen I you can choose to Challenge Sabrina, Koga, and Erika in any order due to the fact they don’t require the other’s badge. blaine has to be fought after Koga however, but can still be fought before sabrina and erika. in gen II/IV you could do the mahogany town stuff before Jasmine and Chuck, and you could choose which Order most if not all Kanto Gyms in, except Blue in Gen 4 where you need all the others.
            Satoshi(Ash) also beat the kanto gyms weird in the anime.

          • I’m pretty sure we’re gonna have some sort of post game because of Zygarde, so I think we’re safe on that.

          • i put my money on the types change when using a particular Z attack power.

            Wished we will getting female male versions of the starters finally this generation though.

  65. So that explains about the typing from decoding the Japanese website.

    Grass/Flying/Ground/Fire/Water/Fighting

    It all makes sense now. Because depending on which island the starters will evolve on, Robinroot will become either Grass/Flying, Grass, ”Grass/Ground” or Grass/Electric. Beltigre will become either Fire/Dark, ”Fire”, Fire/Ghost or Fire/Poison. And Sirene will become either Water/Fairy, Water, ”Water/Fighting” or Water/Psychic.

    I presume the only one type could be done on which island has the type.

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  66. If people like the chinese leaker and this list know the pokemon, why do we not have any rough sketches??? Plus, the chinese leaker only said “the starters are based on an archer, a wrestler, and a mermaid” in order to make him look credible since that image had already came out. Im standing firm on these but am willing to be proven wrong.

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    • Plus: guessing the no gyms and the birds with different forms makes him pretty credible. However, no pictures were given nor were trial captains mentioned which makes me think they were just lucky guesses. Sorry if it seems like im in denial.

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  67. Bored, so I want to discuss things. Alright here’s a question: what was your XY team?
    Mine was:
    Delphox
    Aegislash
    Florges
    Charizard
    Abomasnow
    Barbaracle

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  68. Unrelated to Pokemon (I will delete it if requested) but does anyone here play/have played the Mass Effect series?

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  69. I’m going to go off of Aquatic’s question and ask this: what other video game franchises are you all into?
    For me, I really enjoy Zelda, Fire Emblem, Smash, and Animal Crossing.

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    • I’m pretty opened minded, I try play to any game that catches my attention. Right now I’m really into Bloodborne and Dark Souls 3.

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    • Fire Emblem, Ace Attorney franchise (god I love it so much), The Binding of Isaac (yeah, kinda different but the most addicting game I’ve ever played), some Layton titles, Super Mario games in general but I love Mario and Luigi RPGs a hella lot more.

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    • I’m into many video games franchises haha. Such as Animal Crossing, Fire Emblem, Borderlands, BioShock, Resident Evil, Danganronpa, Mass Effect, Silent Hill and many others. I also enjoy episodic games like TWD, UD, TWAU and LiS.

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    • Zelda, Kirby, animal crossing, smash, dragon age, elder scrolls, mario, Banjo-kazooie (old ones), sonic (except the most recent ones). There are plenty of other games that I love but they arnt really franchises more just stand alone games like The Last Of Us.

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    • Zelda, Kirby, Animal Crossing, Smash, Yo-kai watch, dragon quest…. There are others I’m forgetting, I know it.

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    • I used to play Animal Crossing way more than pkm back in 2012 (I played New Leaf for 1.5 years and 500h+ of gameplay). I got all of my neighbors to be south of the river (lots of resetting), carefully planned the city so it would have 6 neighborhoods (inspired by Paris), a huge French garden, a main avenue, a pergola path and a bunch of other stuff. I stopped playing bcuz I moved abroad and had better things to do lol + by that point I had already memorized all of the phrases my neighbors used.

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  70. SPOILER: In the case of the pokemon that get different type evolutions, the evolution will depend on which island the pokemon evolves.

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    • I have a burning desire to believe you, but I’m not sure, I guess we’ll just have to wait and see, nothing bad ever happens from waiting eh…

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    • Agreed! Robinroot would stay Grass if it evolves on the island with the Grass Captain, Beltigre would stay Fire if it evolves on the island with the Fire Captain, and Sirene would stay Water if it evolves on the island with the Water Captain.

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  71. Personally I’m not one for people leaking this stuff on one hand but on the other, I’m kinda glad that they did. One of the advantages that came with having Pokemon released in Japan first was that I could plan my team out ahead of time instead of having to deal with the hassle of trying to switch about 10 or so Pokemon around as I went along trying to decide what to use and this kinda helps me narrow this stuff down.

    I do wish this post had a bigger image so I could read what all of the names are. (And we had images of what everyone looked like)

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  72. I’m pretty sure the best form of Darline/Darwisker (aka the breed cats) will be the Normal/Ghost form, as it has only one weakness (dark) and it has a plethora of immunities (normal ghost fighting) and resistances (bug poison)

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  73. I don’t believe there may ever be a Pokémon called `Delfin`, which is the exact spanish translation for Dolphin.

    It would sound very weird (and simple) when playing the game in spanish.

    So, I am starting to have my doubts about these leaks.

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  74. Another rumor said they evolve into different forms depending on the island it’s on. There is one way I could see the island based evolution working. If the game is limited free roam. By that I mean when you’re finished with Melemele you can choose whatever island you can go to next and the level cap will rise as you progress. That way each experience and playthrough can be different.

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  75. As long as it’s more than X/Y, I’m cool. Was playing OR and was reminded how little Gen 6 pokemon there were thank to the design of the OR/AS National Dex.

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  76. yep I’ve definitely figured it out, best typing that that breed cat can get is normal/ghost followed by normal/steel then normal/poison. This pokemon will have some really good defensive typings available to it.

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    • Ugly is subjective.

      You don’t need to use the starters anyway, dump them in the PC as soon as you can if you don’t like them

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        • Not like it saves you from looking at them. Cause you have to see Hau use them. Then you’re going to see them a lot online. Putting them in the box doesn’t save you.

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          • Well, so I don’t have any options… alright then. But that won’t change that fact that for me they are the ugliests starters I’ve ever seen.

  77. The starters and rock ruff do have a secret that no one has yet to mention? Is it different evolution from the islands?

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  78. Unrelated to Sun and Moon, but I am terrible at competitive battling and am trying to have a team going that could beat my friends but arent anything special. Theyll be ev trained but not iv trained and no attention to nature because Im not that into competitive play. Would anyone be willing to look over my movesets over email and let me know what you think?

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  79. Okay. Remember Rockruff has something to do with the starters? What if its second type reflects the starter you pick (or your rival picks)? So it can have three different Rockruff typings. Like, if you picked Litten and Litten’s final evolution is Fire/Dark, Rockruff turns Rock/Dark… It’d be weird though if Rockruff turned Rock/Flying… A flying werewolf??? What do you think?

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    • Well this also isn’t including the alolan forms or even megas, not to mention past gen pokes. But I agree, I would’ve liked 150 or so.

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  80. Hey I have a question, I’m doing a X walkthrough with the following Pokemon:
    Talonflame
    Raichu
    Gogoat
    Flygon
    Haxorus

    I’m torn between choosing either Blastoise or Greninja, which one do you think would be better for my team? Or is there another water Pokemon I should get?

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    • Greninja can add another physical pokemon to your team. Id go with him. Although a trick room would wreck a few of yours.

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          • If its not a weather or trick room team Im building, I tend to do three physical, three special, with varying speeds/ bulkiness, while also hoping swap one of those out with a set up of some kind, usually a froslass.

          • Yeah thats similar to what I do in walkthroughs, I try to get an equal amount of physical and special attackers, while also adding in some bulk in there.

  81. My Team is ready.

    Robinroot: Grass/Flying
    Beltigre: Fire/Dark
    Sirene: Water/Fairy
    Garchomp: Dragon/Ground
    Galvantula: Bug/Electric
    Arceus: Normal

    11 Types in total, and would have 12 if I had to replace Arceus.

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    • You’re using Arceus on a playthrough? Also, how are you going to get all 3 starters? Are you using pokebank? That would be assuming that it’s updated for SM on the release date. And why use Galvantula when you could use Vikavolt?

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      • Galvantula is cute. Though the team maybe changed as soon as I see the reveal of the other Pokemon. Yes I do have Pokebank, and I’m going to use it in order to store the starters whenever I start a new game.

        I’ll start by getting Litten, then store it on Pokebank, start new game, get Popplio, store that on Pokebank, start real proper game with Rowlet, and then get Litten and Popplio from Pokebank.

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        • That sounds stressful and time consuming lol. I’ll use all 3 starters on a later playthrough when I can just breed them and make it easier

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  82. This is most likely for the sole reason that #772 the dolphin pokemon’s name is simply dolphin in spanish which is delfin so yeah i doubt gamefreak would use the name of a real animal to name a pokemon

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    • Eh, we’ve been over this. Seel, Tirtouga…both very close to the actual spellings. Pretty much the equivalent of removing an accent.

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          • No, i speak spanish as my first language and delfín and delfin are pretty much said the same way and in the spanish games would be very weird to have a dolphin pokemon named the same way as the animal

          • Well tirtouga and tortuga are essentially pronounced the same way too though..I imagine, as a spanish speaker, that when you see that name you think “turtle.” This is no different. I don’t think that’s honestly a credible way to determine these as fakes.

          • That’s not how I would pronounce them, given how I was taught spanish.
            Tortuga = Tour-two-guh
            Tirtouga = Teer-two-guh or perhaps Teer-teh-oo-guh, but pretty similar

            There are a bunch of variations of spanish so I imagine that might be why the “Tir” has an H-sound and the “tou” is like “toe” to you

          • Where did you learn spanish? Tortuga doesnt have a tour sound in it haha but too and two have the same pronounciation so ill give you that one

          • T-O-R using the spanish alphabet to me would be like saying the english word “tour.” I don’t understand where you get the H-sound when you say it. I took three years in high school and an entire year in college five days a week, which was the equivalent of basically 2 years of spanish. My teacher was from Columbia.

          • Oh there is no H sound i just Thor because that is the closest english thing to the pronounciation of tor in spanish, its is like saying torn but without the n at the end also Colombia is an awesome country been there, they have the best coffee ive ever drinked

          • Oh, okay. I was confused but I understand now. It’s kind of hard to type out “english translations” when you are still using a spanish accent while reading them (if that makes sense). Well, it’s an accent for me, not an accent for you 😛

          • Haha yeah i can see where the confusion came from since im not really that good at explaining things lol

    • Well it would be rather uninspired and weird to Spanish speakers such as ourselves but it wouldn’t be the least creative name they ever did. I don’t know that this necessarily makes it more likely to be fake…

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    • Oh, I thought of something else sort of similar. If the name for Litten’s evolution is real (Beltigre) isn’t that just like Bel-tiger in Spanish? There’s just a prefix strapped on there. Although I get it would be read a little differently, but I’ll always see the word tigre in there and use an accent when saying the name lol

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  83. sorry I’m kinda late to the party. ive read the list, seems pretty cool. was anything else leaked, details and such, or was it just the list? I see moving’s featured comment, but cant find anything on these details.

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  84. I just want to take a moment to say that GF is shaking up the meta game so much with this gen. I mean, look at the new abilities. Nearly all of them have competitive viability. Not to mention that Z moves will make things so much more balanced, because fairies won’t have as much presence. Not only that, but a lot of the new Pokemon will shake up the meta game as well. Look at oricorio. With the right stats, that thing will be a beast. It’ll have access to 4 different learnsets, and it’ll copy all the dance moves. And if the breeding cat is real, it’ll make things much more interesting. I really applaud GF, gen 7 meta game looks to be one of the best we’ve had yet.

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  85. I’m reading the above article, and it says “including leaks of alolan forms of previous pokemon” but I cant find them, anyone have a link to this specific segment or am I just blind as usual?

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  86. I suppose the Robinroot Grass/Flying, Beltigre Fire/Dark and Sirene Water/Fairy are their main ordinary types if they have to follow the traditional path of the Starters.

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    • I haven’t played it but have heard great things. It’s a shame if it’s C&D’d because it’s the best Metroid game in a decade.

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      • The thing nintendo should do is hire this guy and help him release an eshop version, i’m fine with the pc version going down if they do that.
        also Pokemon Uranium 1.0 is out yesterday as well.

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  87. I got my nicknames for my starters
    Rowlet is Marquis
    Litten is Hercule
    Poppilo is Pappilo (The great Pappilo )

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  88. The idea of various type depend on wat the island u evolving on is not logical at all, ppl forget about Darline/Darwisker they r Normal/Anything that didn’t work on this theory.

    I prefer to go up with this: there form will change by specific types of Z-stones Like Dark, Fire, Ghost, poison Z-stones for Beltigre ….etc.

    I just notice these starers r really not that colorful so the form didn’t change that much but it will be more colorful depend on his current type.

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  89. Ok. Here’s something I wanted to point out. I still have hopes the the Chinese Leaks won’t be true, so….. look at this picture. Look at Popplio’s pose. Doesn’t it look like it’s won a fight? (Or at least did something skillful). I really hope I get my Water/Fighting Popplio, but honestly, the Popplio evo doesn’t bother me. Litten’s does. But if Popplio’s changes. Litten and Rowlet’s will too. Robinroot is my favorite out of the 3, but it could be better…

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    • i mean, thats the whole concept of the pokemon games though is fighting so i don’t see how even if that was its “i just won a fight pose” would mean its fated to be water/fighting, but we still don’t know, hang in there green! we’ll get more info eventually 😛

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      • Not even close
        Popplio is a natural performer, they always turn a battle into a show, they show a need to look triumphant or to strike a pose to impress the audience

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          • Or battles
            Popplio love to battle with flashy moves, especially with their water balloons
            They just are creative battlers

        • ….? yeah but that doesn’t make it water/fighting…. ? if anything that points more to confirming the water/fairy leak

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          • That means jack squat
            You just fail to see that not every single effing emote is labeled a type, you’d probably assume Vigoroth would be fighting just for flailing its arms like a psycho

          • who are you trying to convince? me or you?
            “You just fail to see that not every single effing emote is labeled a type”

            ok then? but isn’t that what you were saying in your previous comment? my first comment was just saying that I don’t think its battle style makes it into a fighting type based on that, and you said I was wrong so I reinforced my opinion by saying if anything if its going to point to a type it would be fairy, not that it will be, because i still don’t think its fighting style equates to anything significant… so like, are you just looking for a fight here or are you just being an idiot?

        • I wouldnt believe them but since mallow is drawn in them then i just cant argue with facts even though i really wanted litten to be quadrepedal, why game freak, why is it so hard to make a starter stay quadrupedal these days

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          • tbh I believe the leaks but I also am taking these new various evolutions thing as a possible real leak as well, it seems that forms and evolutions are already a really big thing in these games so I wouldn’t see it being too much of a stretch, and if they are real, one of them is bound to be quadrupedal

          • I was cool when it was Typhlosion and Blaziken and Infernape, but there are literally no Quadruped Fire Type Starters

  90. So while doing some reading on Sun and Moon’s development and after hearing about the Pokemon NX rumor I thought of something potentially interesting.

    Sun and Moon are not being directed my Junichi Masuda. I forget the guy’s name who is directing them but it’s his first outing which may account for the new ideas and direction of the games. But then that makes me wonder, if Masuda isn’t directing Sun and Moon then what IS he doing?

    Sun and Moon are huge games so it would be kind of strange to hand over directing responsibilities to someone new on such a big project unless Masuda was directing a much larger project. That project potentially being the one rumored to be on NX. I think that rumor might have some credibility due to this…

    I apologize for the wall of text lol, when my mind gets going I just have to write my ideas down!

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  91. Baile: Robinroot will be Grass/Ground, Beltigre will be Fire, Sirene will be Water/Fighting
    Pa’u: Robinroot will be Grass, Beltigre will be Fire/Poison, Sirene will be Water/Psychic,
    (Island with Pom Pom Oricorio): Robinroot will be Grass/Electric, Beltigre will be Fire/Dark, Sirene will be Water
    Sensu: Robinroot will be Grass/Flying, Beltigre will be Fire/Ghost, Sirene will be Water/Fairy

    That’s the closest I’ve got for a guess to the evolution for the starters.

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  92. Just because this rumored dex doesn’t have fossil Pokemon is not exactly “proof” of its fakeness. In fact, considering just how much the Pokemon of Alola seem to be based on the actual fauna and flora of Hawaii it makes perfect sense. No dinosaur fossils have ever been found on Hawaii because the volcanic activity responsible for the islands’ creation did not take place until AFTER the extinction of the dinosaurs.

    TL;DR there are no fossil Pokemon because Hawaii irl did not for until after the dinosaurs’ extinction

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          • I completely agree with you there! They’ve been trying to mimic the success of pikachu since the beginning. I think it’s really telling, almost poetic in fact, that the pokemon that comes closest actually is itself trying to be pikachu lol.

        • I dont really know how to explain it but its just the starters “various” secondary types and many other things that just seem illogical to me

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          • I didnt say they were impossible, i just said they seem illogical i mean whats the logic begind rowlett droping its flying type or getting random “various” types upon evolution

          • It mostly depends on how the pokemon is designed to fit the typing. As long as it can learn Flying moves it can work.

          • Even that doesn’t really matter. Mankey can learn Iron Tail.

            So that’s right… Tailless Primeape + Iron Tail = a thing.

            What matters at this point is that how the evolution would be done make sense.

            The “moves learned by any species in a line making sense with all of the designs in the line” ship has long since sailed.

          • While I understand your point, illogical does not mean or imply fake. Remoraid does evolve into Octilery for example.

          • Why would it? We’ve already been told the starters and Rockruff were special.

            This leak, if true, just tells us how.

        • For me is the lack of volcanion… For some reason i think he will be on the alola dex….
          Dont know why…. Just do!

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          • Volc’s already on the Kalos dex…

            But if it showed up on the Alola dex, it’s the first time a mythical ever appears on two regional dexes.

          • I know…. You have all the reasons… I just can’t Shake off this feeling that this dex will be different!
            I loved the idea of the various types…. For starters…. I dont know… If they break the mold ( =D ) with the starters they will have to deal with the rants “and charirad? And torterra? Bla bla bla”
            For the dog i do believe that would be cool!

    • Shh i want my mosasaur and my ichtyosuar plz also wereny the japanese islands formed after the mesozoic era? If so it wouldnt make sense either for all the fossil pokemon in kanto sinnoh and hoenn

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    • Hawai does have some extinct subfossil species though, like Stilt Owls and Moa-Nalo Goose-Ducks. There are multiple reasons why I think the list is fake (it’s way too fan-listy for a start), but in any case I’d be very surprised (and extremely angry) if we didn’t have new fossils. They wouldn’t likely at all be based on Hawaii’s fossils either, but there are countless other possibilities. There being few Hawaian fossils is no excuse, sacrificing the fossil tradition would be a creative loss, and besides game freak aren’t known to strive for perfectly echoing a real-life region’s geography and fauna. This is why it’s satisfying they’re doing a lot of it this time around. But, ever seen a Koala or a Red Panda in Hawaii?

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      • The vast majority of the Alolan Pokemon revealed so far are indeed based on actual Hawaiin fauna. However you do make a valid point. They could simply use fossils from another region of the world.

        But that’s assuming they have fossils. I personally think everyone is just upset that there aren’t any and they want to stick “with tradition” even tho sun and moon have been bucking many much more prominent traditions of the series. Like gyms for instance.

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        • Hmm I would like to try and tally and see if indeed most are based around hawaiian fauna and flora. Needless to say those that are based upon local life/concepts are unusually common.
          And yeah,people (myself included), like when things stick to the patterns, though I think most are happy at the breath of fresh air that the island challenge represents.
          The fact the other typical pokémon patterns (early bird, mammal, bug, pika clone, and, in this list, cat line and pseudos) are being stuck to here makes dropping fossils seem weird. It would seem especially weird that a huge pool of potential concepts like the fossil pokémon slot would be dropped, yet bloody CAT pokémon would keep being produced. I’d also be especially surprised because game freak go deep when it comes to fossil inspiration, I mean it took them 4 gens to make dinosaurs the main fossils, and 6 gens to go for the obvious T-Rex/Sauropod duo, with all the others being species mostly famous among fossil fans rather than the public at large. Thus to me dropping fossil pokémon would be a confusingly useless and wasteful move.

          As a budding palaeontologist I’d also feel extremely dissapointed and betrayed if we got no fossils this gen.
          Fact is I think this list is fake, fossils being one of many reasons, but I could be wrong. I’d just be willing to bet by the time the game comes out we’ll have our fossil pokés.

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          • I feel you on certain things. I’m definitely tired of the cat Pokemon myself. But I also feel as though getting rid of certain mainstays forces them to think more outside the box. And others remain just because they are apart of the standard conventions or they are based on animals you can find everywhere. Hence the typical bird, rodent, and cat Pokemon.

          • But that’s the thing here, removing fossils removes possibilities! There are so many prehistoric creatures the pokémon franchise could take inspiration from. Removing them wouldn’t help them think outside the box, it’s just gonna limit their options! I agree pattern breaking can be very refreshing creatively, but I just can’t see how removing fossils would be conducive to that. :S If we indeed don’t get any I’d pin it down to lazyness/lack of good ideas (honestly those can sort of go hand in hand), or weird game freak logic haha.

            Also because you made me curious I tallied Hawaiian inspiration, and out of new pokémon (not alola forms, cos in there it’s just 1 in 5 anyway, and it’s not like palms are endemic to hawaii), only 7 out of 31 represent hawaian culture or could be construed as representing hawaiian endemics or renowned introduced species. These are Tapu Koko, Oricorio, Comfey (culture), Popplio (hawaiian monk seal), Bruxish (reef triggerfish), Yungoos and Gumshoos (mongeese). If we dodgily stretch this to include introduced domesticated species or animals found in Hawaii as well as elsewhere, we get about 18/31. None of these are a crushing majority tbh, and the former is under a quarter (though still surprisingly high).

            (Sorry I’m not actively trying to undermine your arguments at all, you just made me curious and well, you were biased by the unusual largely set of token endemics haha 😉 ) .

          • I commend your research and will concede to it lol. Well I stand corrected! I wouldn’t necessarily say it was out of laziness or lack of ideas if they don’t have them tho lol. gen 2 didn’t have any after all.

            However that does get me thinking, what could they do for fossils this gen? I would like to see an anklyosaur and a mosasaur personally. Wbu?

          • If we’re sticking to patterns (hahaha), even gens get the mainstream dinosaurs (less interesting IMO, still awesome though), and odd gens get more offbeat stuff that you usually have to know fossils a bit to know about (which is why I’m particularly looking forward to this gen fossil wise). I’d love for us to get a set of cenozoic fossils as that’s never been done, but I’m thinking we’re probably gonna get another set of palaeozoic fossils this time around. I’m randomly gonna bet on a placoderm line and a fish-to-tetrapod line, just cos I feel them for some reason. Probs not gonna happen, but theropod and sauropod was one of my top bets for Gen V, so you never know lol.

      • “it’s way too fan-listy for a start”

        Mega Gen 1 starters, Mega Charizard x 2 (one of which was a Dragon), Mega Mewtwo x 2.

        They’re clearly not above pandering.

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        • Not usually at the level of a generation though. This has so many unused and strange/cool type combinations, as well as pokémon concepts often found on fan lists. Usually a generation contains a bunch of weird pokémon only Game Freak could come up with. There’s too much “this should be a pokémon” sounding stuff for me to believe it here…

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  93. “Oricorio changes its form by sipping the nectar of certain flowers.” pretty sure this has something to do with all the forms

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  94. if the starters final evolutions have multiple forms, why is it the pokedex doesn’t show them all? you’d think that if I could fit the whole eevee family, it could fit all the starter forms.

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  95. I just thought of something. The starters having 4 forms is huge news, so if the most trustworthy leak we have (Chinese one) doesn’t mention it, that is something going against this. Though that may have been overlooked, I’m just saying.

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    • What bothers me the most about this list is actually something very small. Lumbird, the supposed Grass/Flying final evo of pikipek. It just doesn’t seem realistic of game freak to have a grass/flying starter and then make the regional bird also grass/flying…

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        • Moltres is legendary and vileplume, isn’t exactly obtainable early on seeing as you need a leaf stone to evolve it. Lumbird, as far as we know, would evolve in the standard leveling up way which could happen earlier on.

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          • I also actually discount the Venusaur and Vileplume thing because Gen 1 was just filled with Grass/Poison…

            For something from another gen, there’s also Swampert and Barboach/Whiscash.

          • Swampert and Barboach are very far apart in the dex tho. Swampert is 260 while Barboach is 339. You don’t encounter Barboach for a good while in the game. My issue with Lumbird isn’t just that it shares its type with Rowlett, it’s that it shares its type with Rowlett and is extremely close to it in the dex implying it can be obtained very early on. The demo from E3 confirmed this.

          • Well assuming Pikipek is the regional bird and anything like the previous ones, it should have three evos, and evolve around level 35.

            It will be a while, I’m guessing, before the similarities take place, and Rowlet might even lose its grass/flying as well.

            Meanwhile by the time Barboarch can be fished, Marshtomp should be in its 30’s…

      • honestly lumbird was the one thing standing out to me too, but for different reasons, although the grass/flying did go through my mind as well

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    • Yeah I feel like it’s also probably a more complex situation than they are willing to make it. If the evolutions are dependent on which island you are on then how will they do them in future games? There was that other rumor that said there were two evos and they were dependent on the time of day. Since the day and night system are a fixed feature that one holds more water than this rumor.even still they could both turn out fake

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      • I kind of imagine a mix of the two. So say the evolutions are dependent on both the time of day but also the version. So in Sun for example you could have two evolutions for the starters based on day and night and in moon you have the other two. That’s very convoluted and silly but it might help explain the inconsistency with the Chinese leak

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        • Still doesn’t help in future games. Unless they continue to make each set of games have specific evos exclusive to them, which I’m not sure they’d do considering at that point it wouldn’t matter which game you got.

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    • I think it is worth noting that many rumors have contained some form of starter split evolution. Perhaps it is because people would want an alternative to the starter evolutions that we have seen, or it could be it that there is some truth in it.

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    • Ok, THIS IS SOMETHING! The Chinese leak said there MAY BE two final evolutions for the starters but even they were unsure about the situation. This doesn’t exactly go for or against the four multiple forms since the key word is unsure.

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  96. Wow, Suicide Squad was really good. Really don’t know why it’s getting panned so bad. I guess this is unrelated so here’s a question!?

    Do you want megas to return? Why or why not?

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    • I think they will because removing them would be a waste of good character design and they were a third of kalos’ new dex. We have also seen evidence for in in the form of the circular slot at the bottom of the Z bracelet.

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    • Sure why not? I don’t see any reason to get rid of them so early in their life span. I can’t imagine them getting rid of a feature that is so ensconced in VGC. I can see them in the future maybe modifying it so you don’t have to collect so many stones, but the basic feature will likely stick around for a while.

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    • I personally do. I enjoy the mechanic and it just feels cool mega evolving at a crucial moment to snatch a victory lol.

      But I don’t think mega evolution has a built in longevity. Regional variants offer a much more long term solution to the problem of keeping Pokemon from older generations relevant

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    • I do want megas to return because they were really unique, and tbh, now that they’re in theres no turning back 😛

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    • I’m on the fence about mega evolution. I like the ones that really helped some Pokemon become relevant (Mawile, Beedrill, Kangaskhan) but I don’t like the ones that were unneeded (Scizor, Gengar, Blaziken and Garchomp) If they return I hope it’s to help Pokemon that need them

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      • Got to admit, Gengar, Scizor and Garchomp – I prefer their non mega forms. Blaziken I don’t mind because it’s not too drastic. Though tbh I’ve always been 50:50 about Garchomp anyway, but its mega evo is just ‘nope’.

        I like parts of mega Beedrill’s appearance, but I don’t like Mawile’s double head mouth. Kangaskahn doesn’t even look different, all that happens is it decides to put its child in danger (which also raises questions about whether or not the child is a separate pokemon or just a puppet).

        I agree that they helped those 3 become more useful, but aside from Beedrill, I think a proper evolution for them would have been more useful. Beedrill could have got away with a stat boost and maybe a form change.

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    • I don’t, but I think they will.

      I don’t really like megas. I like some of the forms but not the mechanic. Partly because it kills off too many possibly good evo lines, partly because I don’t like the idea of pokemon ‘unevolving’, partly because I don’t like the temporaryness, and partly because it makes pokemon feel like it’s trying to fit in with all the other mainstream “this isn’t even my final form” stuff.

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  97. If anything, there are some really clever names within this list (Adorasite and Mightior, to name a few) but something seems off about it. For a leaker to just come out all of a sudden with a Pokedex list and no further information goes against our highly accurate Chinese leaks. Guess we have a few more days until this gets debunked.

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          • Yeah but the thing about mightior is it sounds like meteor and mightier put together so if minior does have an evolution I think that is what it’s name should be, although honestly in my opinion gamefreak really really dropped the ball with mimikkyu, like come on guys, there will never ever in the history of Pokemon ever be a name more perfectly set up for you than pikaboo was, ??

          • Yeah, but mightior sounds pretty basic and lazily constructed. It’s not bad, but seems predictable

          • Meh I have to disagree, to me Minior and Mightior sound like really clever names for gamefreak to have used, and knowing that Minior is real I will be disappointed if they don’t then go with Mightior, it’s just a clever name in my opinion.

      • Lol I also thought up Mightior as a my predicted name for an evo (was kinda obvious really, not gonna give them too much credit for that haha), so I might be biased, but how is Grandior better? Am I missing a pun or something?

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    • I feel like it may have just added the Pokemon of the Chinese leak and is just taking some of the credibility for that. It has no real stuff going for it.

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  98. ok disconnecting everything from the internet really sped up my update time and let me tell you… I could NOT find ANYTHING interesting to play on the PSN. almost everything I saw was “Gun toting white guy shooter” and just… ugh. I mean, I like shooters, but why is everything a shooter? I think I will spend my money on the eShop.

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    • I don’t get it myself, but some people like it so good for them. This is the reason I chose Nintendo over other game companies though.

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      • what I don’t understand is, people like a friend of mine for example, he hates Nintendo. but he got a ps4 and an XBOX One. see, he says that since Nintendo’s games are made as family friendly, they are automatically bad, because “NO GUNZ N KILLING N STUFFZ!” but the ps4 and xbox one are pretty much the same console, especially now that xbox went ahead and killed off their flagship series.

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        • Natural enemies I guess. One of the reasons 2015 sucked for me is that I went to a new school, where Pokemon and Nintendo are viewed as toddler trash. Everyone plays shoot em up games, which are fine for them, but they made fun of people who play Nintendo, and specifically Pokemon sadly. Just because it’s not a game where the object is to kill everyone doesn’t mean it’s not a good game.

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          • i make fun of people who play shooters (and act like its like the best thing since sliced bread) because almost all the games they play are pretty much exactly the same

          • lol, no no, i don’t think you get it, it was a joke, but tbh the kinds of people I am talking about won’t be hurt if you make fun of them for playing the shooters they play, they live in their own little bubble

          • Haha sorry about that. I’m just salty because I’ll be going to that school for a few more years and my most common hobby is considering something to be made fun of lol.

          • I’m not going to pick those battles anymore. It’s tough though, as my old friends, that I don’t really communicate with anymore, and I were constantly talking about games that we all had in common, Pokemon in particular, and it was great, but I go here, and it’s the complete opposite. But that’s a different discussion lol.

          • Ah, well at least you’re a nice person unlike them (or at least not as aggressive as me). Heh heh. Normally I’m an optimist but I just like to make snide remarks at some points, so I would’ve told them that. 🙂

            At least half of my office department is into Pokemon GO, so it feels so alive even if it’s just GO…

          • It may be different come fall, because of GO, and that would be amazing. But yeah, I was mostly just flustered when it happened, so I didn’t have the time to consider a comeback.

          • Well at least you didn’t have to stoop to their level!

            Meanwhile, I’m a grown man prancing around with a yellow Pikachu 3DS XL…

          • This is why I love Pokejungle. It fills what real life lacks; people to talk to who have common hobbies.

          • oh I’ve been there, people made fun of me for my interests for a while until they realized that it didn’t faze me and that I was actually a b*tch that could destroy them with a single word if I really wanted to. Also what Malco said true, whats so mature about shooters? lol honestly maturity is a concept they don’t understand if they say they play “mature games”

          • I doesn’t falter my love for Pokemon, but it can be difficult considering that I have to be there 10 hours a day 5 days a week.

          • you could always do what I did, I befriended all the popular girls in school so the rude dudes didn’t make fun of me or else they would have like every girl in school hating them

          • oh dang, I don’t think I would ever be able to handle a school of all boys, lol maybe but idk, good luck though I’m sure you’ll be fine

          • I don’t think he’s as aggressive as some of us secretly are on here, tbh I feel like there are a lot of nice people on here that wouldn’t hesitate to slap a ****** if they were trifling

          • Yay, someone got my reference 🙂 Although when I read your line, I read it in Aragog’s voice since he says that xD

          • It was supposed to be in Hermione’s but thats good too lol, I could not have hoped for better 😛

            I will never not get a HP reference!

          • Dunno how long you have left but hang in there, by the end of high school hopefully they’ll have realised being mature is about accepting who you are and what you enjoy whatever others think. Failing that once in uni/college that should be the general sentiment, plus then you’re bound to find people with the same interests 🙂 .
            And I don’t know your situation so this may not be useful advice ,but honestly if you can stay in contact with old friends, do, it’s worth it, seems especially so in your case, and technically at least is easy in this era of social media.

          • and the funny thing is, Nintendo gets their 1st online shooter perfect right off the bat. splatoon is one of the funnest games ive played in awhile.

        • More importantly there’s little innovation on games for those two consoles. Not saying there isn’t any at all of course but compared to Nintendo they might as well be Xerox factories lol.

          The disrespect that people give Nintendo is both criminal and unwarranted. They’re an amazing company when it comes to making cool, innovative, but most importantly FUN games

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          • I kinda wish we had a year where they released awesome games, like 2013 with The Last of Us and Bioshock: Infinite.

        • the console war tbh is really only between PS and Xbox, and tbh PS4 is winning, they are in the war because they have the same games, but PS has better exclusives (does xbox even have any anymore other than halo?) so i feel like most people should just do what I did and go with nintendo and PS and then you’ll never be left out lol

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          • yes that’s what I did too. and Microsoft seems kinda done with halo. they screwed up big time with halo 5: Guardians.

          • … I tried nuts n’ bolts. people defended it, so I gave it a shot. nope. nopenopenopenopex10000000. we have yooka-laylee to look forward to. (though the whole 5 worlds thing has me a bit worried.)

          • Wasn’t it Microsoft that told Rare not to make a collectation platformer (because “it’ll never sell” heh heh) so we got that car game instead of what would’ve been “Banjo-Threeie”?

          • well, if I’m not mistaken, rare isn’t even the same group as before. 11 (I could be wrong) original RARE members formed a new team “Playtonic Games” to remain faithful to their original visions.

          • Well regardless of whomever was at Rare, they could’ve made Banjo 3 or a new Conker if Microsoft wanted to… 😀

            It won’t be as good as the ones by the (now) Playtonic guys, but at least it would’ve been still a platformer…

          • cant wait for yooka-laylee, I backed it so I could get it on the PS4 when it finally comes around, and I think I may cry 🙂

        • It does seem to be the case that GF is kind of a broken sieve this year, but I’m wondering if it isn’t just an impression. Tbf we did get the names of the games early, as well as the copyright leak, and those July pokémon a day early. But those were all out-of nowhere corporate slips. Has anything text-based turned out actually legit? As far as I know no current leaks are really certifiably confirmed apart from the starter evos… And the chinese leak seems pretty solid because of that, but it’s still not 100% really. After all saying there were no gyms could have been a lucky guess. All the rest seems to be be mostly bandwagonning for what I can see, including today’s leak.

          Anyway all the fakes will be progressively blown away as reveals continue 🙂 .

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          • True true. Although didn’t the Chinese leaker get oricorio as well? Although that again could be a lucky guess.

          • Ah yes of course, I thought I was forgetting something, thanks 🙂 !! Ok so the chinese information being fake now boils down to them mixing in fake info, which is kind of a stretch, so we can probably call the pre-1st of August reveal info legit. If that means we’re getting a sea cucumber, a mushroom, a snowman etc, you certainly won’t see me complaining!!
            Still doesn’t make this list any less unconfirmed though.

          • a lot of the stuff in this list could very well relate to the chinese leaker though (one of the pokemon in the list is clearly a sea cucumber) and the leaker did mention multiple evos for the starters. But you are correct, they are still unconfirmed. Lets hope the next info reveal will sway things one way or another.

          • Obviously a large number of pokémon and ideas on this list are from the chinese leaks as well as, the list clearly bandwagonning on all the other recent “leaks”, confirmed or not (at least if you take the point of view that it’s fake). As this list came out after all these leaks, containing the same information could mean it copied from them just as much as it could mean it’s confirming them.

            In any case the second we get a new name we’ll be set 🙂 !

          • oh no I totally get that, but if we get the next bunch of pokemon reveals and all of them are on this list complete with typings and such I’m pretty much sold.

            And that would mean in the end that the leaks were both right, but like, as of right now its all up in the air

          • Unless, y’know get the types for them. Because getting the Pokemon just confirms the Chinese leaks, getting the types gives both more credibility

  99. all this talk of various game companies has me curious. list your top 10 games of all time below! (or less if you don’t have 10)
    10: Gotcha Force (look it up if you haven’t heard of it, its a total blast.)
    9: Super smash bros (series)
    8: The Last of us (just a beautiful game)
    7: Batman: Arkham knight (really put my favorite batman villain, scarecrow, into the spotlight, and did it perfectly)
    6: Super Mario Maker (this game has the potential to be timeless. so much creativity is shown in this game)
    5: Pokémon OR/AS (I know this one isn’t very popular, but R/S were my favorites in the series, and this game made characters that I thought were great in the originals look like blank slates in comparison)
    4: Super Mario World (best Mario game hands down!)
    3:Bioshock: Infinite (this one took me and didn’t let me go until the mind blowing finale)
    2: The legend of Zelda: Majora’s Mask (I cant fangasm enough here, this game is truly marvelous)
    1: Final Fantasy X (what can I say, this game is the most beautiful piece of art to have ever graced my hands, a masterpiece, truly wonderful.)

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    • 1) Ocarina of Time (I know a lot of people say this, but it’s just one of the greatest games ever made)
      2) Pokemon HG/SS (Practically perfect pokemon games)
      3) Halo 2 (Arbiter! Soundtrack! Story! Dual Wielding! Diverse levels! YEAH!)
      4) Skyrim (I remember the long wait for this and was not let down. So fun and amazing for its time. It still is)
      5) ORAS (Soaring + Secret Bases + Mauville City remodel + me completing national dex was an awesome experience)
      5) BW/BW2 (I honestly can’t rank them apart, I love them both equally. Great characters and story.)
      6) Platinum (Gen 4 is probably the best gen of pokemon overall and I have a very strong connection to the Sinnoh region. It holds a lot of memories for me)
      7) Oblivion (Used to scare the shit out of me to play, but it’s just so fun and breath taking for an RPG)
      8) Halo Reach (I love the story and the levels are all just very fun)
      9) Twilight Princess (The soundtrack, story, everything are really immersive)
      10) Lego Harry Potter (Some of the best Lego games in my opinion and I just love HP.)

      Well I guess this is it!

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      • cool I will have to try the lego harry potter games, ive never played a lego game before. out of curiosity, what are your thoughts on Harry Potter and the Cursed Child?

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        • Many thoughts. I honestly don’t think I’ll ever read it. I know someone on here recommended it but I have strong reservations. Reasons:
          1) She only co wrote
          2) Manuscript. I want to read a full book.
          3) I’ve heard the plot is awful
          4) Also heard characters don’t act like themselves
          5) I don’t want it to influence any opinion I have on the characters that I know and love from books 1-7

          I’m really excited for Fantastic Beasts though.

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          • but its amazing :c and tbh it doesn’t really change anything you would have thought about the original books and is fantastic writing

          • oh my dad liked them, and he’s pretty picky, one thing I would suggest though is to not go entirely on what you’ve heard, sometimes reviews and such can be very wrong and I would hate for you to miss out on something that could really resonate with you 🙂

          • I know, and I feel like a bad fan, but I guess if it was a full book I’d be more excited, bad fan reviews or not.

          • wait there was bad fan reviews? :O I was talking about reviews in general not just cursed child reviews, lol, i haven’t heard a bad thing about it yet, but I’m sure its out there, however it may come to be a full book at some point soon, tbh it already reads like a novel all they would have to do is make some minor tweaks and it would be a novel

          • oh, i didn’t get that vibe in the slightest… weird but, oh well, different strokes for different blokes right

    • 1.Majoras Mask| 2.HGSS or gold and silver | 3.Skyrim | 4. The Last of US| 5. Dragon Age: Inquistion |6. Skyward Sword |7.Kirby (pretty much all of them) |8.Ocarina of Time/Wind Waker tied. |9. Mario Sunshine/ Paper mario (tied) |10. Sonic Adventure DX/ 2 Battle (tied)

      I did it in this format so my comment would seem small

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    • 10. The legend of Zelda: Links Awakening
      9. Fallout Series
      8. Borderlands
      7. Final Fantasy 4
      6. Pokemon BW2
      5. Super Smash Bros Series
      4. Mass Effect Series
      3. Pokemon HGSS
      2. Dark Cloud 2
      1. Dragon Quest VIII

      Honorable mention would have to be World of Warcraft. I’ve put so many hours into that bastard.

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    • 10. Bayonetta 2
      9. Digimon World DS, Dusk/Dawn, Cyber Sleuth
      8. Super Smash Bros
      7. Star Fox 64 and SNES
      6. Legend of Zelda (particularly TP)
      5. Mario Kart
      4. Persona/SMT
      3. Fire Emblem
      2. Paper Mario (Super Mario RPG, PP64, TTYD)
      1. Pokemon Main Series

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    • 10. Bravely Default
      9. Bioshock Infinite
      8. Super Smash Bros. 4
      7. Legend of Zelda: a Link to the Past
      6. Binding of Isaac
      5. Dishonored
      4. Pokemon Alpha Sapphire
      3. Super Mario Galaxy 1 & 2
      2. Star Fox 64
      1. Paper Mario: the Thousand Year Door

      Honorable mentions: Undertale, Skyrim, Portal 2, Super Mario 64, Star Wars: Jedi Academy, and GTA V.

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    • I can’t really say 10 so I’ll do 5.
      5. SSB4
      4. Pokemon Platinum
      3. Undertale
      2. PMD Exlporers of Sky
      1. Pokemon HGSS

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    • I’m really interested in the starters honestly. it may allow me to use litten again. until I get confirmation these are legit though, I cant use that… thing it evolves into.

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    • I’m divided because having no fossils sort of kills this flawless gen for me, and it’s just stupid how many complicated split evos there are for my tastes (that said I won’t complain about having other choices to evolve popplio and litten). However a lot of the new concepts and typings are fan favourites and look very promising (which is probably the main reason this looks fake to me).

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  100. This is the best I’ve come up with, but from what the leak says and if true, then we can understand of which island will the Pokemon that has the special evolution can evolve it’s type from. It may also show us of which Type Captain lives on which island.

    The only one typing for the starters, as well as a few elements can be characterised on the Island that focuses on their type.

    Please tell me of what you think, and if there’s anything that I need to change, you let me know.

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  101. The more times I read over the list the more plausible it seems. I mean take komala’s supposed evolution Dormala.

    It combines the base of the French verb Dormir-to sleep-with the kuala. That amount of work put into the name and other names like it seem to be a bit much even for a dedicated troll leaker.

    Also the fire/grass chili pepper line just reeks of Gamefreak logic when it comes to making a fire/grass Pokemon. Most fan creations for that type combo involve some bad*** looking grass monster that can breath fire or something. Not a chili pepper lol.

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    • Dormala could actually just come from the English word dormant.
      Also, according to Google: Dormant (of an animal) having normal physical functions suspended or slowed down for a period of time; in or as if in a deep sleep.
      And, to my knowledge, I thought most people thought a Grass/Fire-type Pokémon would be inspired by a chili pepper or jalapeño pepper.

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      • Oh! I didn’t think of that! That actually makes more sense given komala’s ability.

        And I have always only seen other animal based fire grass fakemon. Although it is reasonable to think of a chili pepper as the most obvious candidate.

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  102. Based on the typings and the theme of each island, I have come up with this graph to clearly show you of which island your pokemon will evolve a different type.

    You may also notice that in the Japanese Pokemon website decoding for the Starter’s Final Typing done a while back, has decoded their Typing from the Ulaula (Red Island) Pokedex.

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      • something about localize these english given names into german names until the 1st of september since they want to release a new video on the 2nd of setemper, if this person doesnt have time to localize the names he can call nintendo or write them a letter asking for help, also there are 3 files attached to that email but no one knows what these are, some say this could be pictures about new pokemons which will be seen on the official site at friday (where new informations are being released)

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  103. What if the look and typing of the final evolution starters (and other specific Pokemon) depends on what island you evolve them on?

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    • Id like to know that myself. If this list is accurate, then Sylveon is the only cross gen, non-mega in three generations. There are plenty of pokemon that deserve REAL evolutions and pre-evolutions.

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  104. Welp, the latest CoroCoro shoots this list down. Not that that’s surprising. As if the entire Pokédex would leak three months in advance…

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  105. I’m still hoping SOME of this list still true. I want that Fighting/Steel Cub Scout Pokemon to at least be real, damnit!

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