Too much hype?
We’ve spent what feels like an eternity salivating over each new detail revealed about Pokémon Sun & Moon, but what if they don’t meet the enormous expectations fans have built up around the pair of titles. I’m not necessarily saying they won’t, in fact I’m quite optimistic that they’ll be great games, but today let’s look at three worrying signs that these games may not get the amazing reception we hope they will.
1. They revealed too much
Ever seen a movie trailer that reveals an important twist about a movie before its even out? We’ve been seeing those kind of trailers for about 9 months now. There are details we may not know about Team Skull or the Aether Foundation, but it doesn’t seem like there are many characters we haven’t at least glimpsed.
One of the most entertaining aspects of the Pokémon franchise has been discovering and catching new Pokémon, but this time around there won’t be many new faces that haven’t already been used in promotional clips. After Game Freak handed ROM hackers the information on a silver platter it confirmed that we’ve basically seen everything.
Even what could have been a great post-game secret for longtime fans was revealed in the last Sun & Moon information release; imagine how many mouths would have dropped to suddenly see Red and Blue stroll up for a battle, looking older just like the players themselves.
2. Island Challenge still untested
Many fans have wanted some sort of change to the typical gym setup that Pokémon games have been using for the last 20 years, but it remains to be seen whether or not the new Island Challenge format will be an actual improvement. One of the things I’m personally most worried about is the potential for overusing fetch quests which simply require players backtrack and grab an item without much real gameplay.
We’ve already seen that the Pyukumuku “sidequest” lacked any real animation and Mallow was seen asking the trainer for not one, but four items that need to be gathered. Maybe each requires a battle to get, but I want to train Pokémon, not kill 10 rats.
3. Z-Moves are meh
The first time seeing your favorite Pokémon pulling off a special Z-move: amazing. The hundredth time? Probably significantly less so. These once-a-battle attacks have a unique premise, but it isn’t quite clear why players will care to use them if they have to sit through 5-10 seconds of animation when a regular attack would probably wipe the floor with an NPC’s Pokémon.
Apparently these are supposed to give currently non-competitive Pokémon a fighting chance to stand up to top-tier threats, but I’m still unconvinced Eevee will suddenly be able to go toe-to-toe with its Extreme Evoboost (although Baton Passing those stats is a bit mouthwatering).
Judging by the way Mega Evolution was treated, we may not even want to invest ourselves in the system too deeply for fear of it getting yanked away a generation later.
Looking Ahead
There are other things I could have mentioned, such as shoehorned typings (Lycanroc… Lurantis…) or the lackluster Alolan Forms (Meowth, Rattata), but I think the above three are what worry me the most.
Hopefully these will all be unfounded fears and the games will have enough content to blow our minds. We’ll see in two weeks!
Tbh I think we can all agree on one thing
Alola has better Fairies than Kalos ‘w’
Like they probably all have legit reasons but they don’t have the excuse of old Pokémon that get retyped to not look as ‘Fairy-Like’, I can think of a reason or two for Dedenne to be Fairy but you have to dig deep, it’s not immediately obvious as it should be
I do remember 1 good Kalos Fairy, Sylveon, which is a lot more appearling than Morelull, which has the type Florges should have had.
Sylveon may be good but it doesn’t carry Kalos to Alola standards
Vice versa for Morelull
Just watch that stupid thing be an absolute pain in the butt anything with Spore causes trouble easy
Minus Parasect
Fehhh too many of one type is blatant favoritism
If it were me I’d go as far as 5-6 fully unique lines of every type that way no one type gets special treatment
TBF they have to play catch up, it’s obvious they want it common and it isn’t right now
If there’s special treatment from Gen 6 all the way to Gen 8 then I’ll complain tbh, two gens is enough
Not counting Gen 7, There are 36 Fairies, and 37 Ice, it would be nice for more Ice Types too.
Though I’m only going off a copied and pasted list, so this might be wrong.
“Water – 121
Normal – 99
Flying – 98
Grass – 94
Psychic – 83
Bug – 71
Ground – 63
Fire – 61
Poison – 61
Rock – 56
Fighting – 51
Electric – 50
Dark – 48
Steel – 47
Ghost – 44
Dragon – 44
Ice – 37
Fairy – 36”
Pretty sure Ghost and Ice have the same amount rn
And the thing is Fairies (along with Ghost, Normal, Flying: basically, types not immediately tied to a specific biome to live in) are easy to just to make and stick into a region, so unless they make a colder region (or a lot of Water/Ice like in Gen I) then they probably aren’t increasing majorly soon
That said I want a snowy region
Da viva to Russia!!!
Tbh I want a really mountainy cold region, like extreme Sinnoh, seeing as Sinnoh had the best Ice, Ground and Rock-Types imo and I think they need some love after the VI and VII
Russia, a powerful organization where they force a communistic demeanor over Pokemon Trainers
Everyone must have the same partner, no over training. And those who disobey will face severe reprimands
I will have my Litten… I will kick anyone who stands in my way. >:D
I’ve decided to count them myself. If you lnclude Megas and form changes, there are indeed 36 Ice Types (I’m excluding Gen 7).
But I can only count 38 for Ghost so I’m not so sure this list is right.
Yeah, I think fairy needs to be defined better. I’d like them to all have a mystic power or quailty.
But since they’ll be pretty common that is sort of a moot desire lol
The thing is though, IRL Fairies are a loose group, it’s just that some Pokémon aren’t even closely attached enough to the many aspects of Fairies
Like Slurpuff, Aromatisse and Dedenne all seem to be based off of objects coming to life on their own or via outside interference, but not via possession (Ghost) , or mechanics/electricity (Steel and Electric)
And whereas Aromatisse and Slurpuff display it quite well, Dedenne doesn’t, as the theory it’s a literal computer mouse may not even be the reason it’s Fairy, and if it is its purely defined because you wouldn’t notice until someone pointed it out and even then some don’t see it which could indicate its untrue
No, I totally agree. I mean Jigglypuff and Clefairy make sense to me, but then we get to mon like Marill and Mawile. Mawile should have been a dark type considering its origin. Marill I guess isn’t too weird, but it’s a stretch.
Mawile is based off of what is equivalent to a Japanese Fairy tale, as some yokai are actually very similar to western fae
But tbh I think either type fits it
I suppose. But, I feel it’s more sinister, however, they were considered to be awe-inspiring beautiful women, if I recall correctly. So I suppose fairy could work.
For Mawiles case, I feel it fits well against it’s counterpart, Sabeleye, who is Dark/Ghost. A Dark/Ghost paired with a Steel/Fairy feels fitting to me for some reason.
Eh, but I’m talking about it as an individual not as a verison exculsive duo, but I see your point. Though, Sableye gets screwed in that pairing.
Doubly screwed when it got it’s Mega later
And Dedenne was only a Fairy because Fairy types was Gen Five’s bread and butter and just threw it on their just to promote it through one of their constants aka Pikaclones
To be fair though there is the animated objected coming to life theory
But I do agree that Dedenne could’ve been made a better Fairy looking Pokémon, bell even throw dumb looking Fairy wings on the thing nobody tales Pikaclones seriously
It’s a stupid hamster with radio antennas what possible object should that come from
It was a slap on fairy just to have it, they didn’t even bother to let it learn any special Fairy moves because it’s fairy typing is so unimportant
A computer mouse
And the thing is it didn’t really suit any of the special Fairy moves whilst still very loosely fitting into Fairy
If anything it highlights Fairy needing more varied moves
It’s not a computer mouse, a hamster
(that’s my Fakemon Pikaclones btw I call it Hyjakk)
They’re both similar animals and I’m just throwing out a Fairy theory :p
Well your theory is very lacking,
And saying GameFreak literally just threw it on is lacking, guess we have that in common
Slurpuff is bae
But Primarina tho
Jk Slurpuff is still bae
I have a perfect IV Slurpuff and I agree with this statement. Lol
“shoehorned typings”?
generations is up
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UOIPUi5k6MA
And once again we are reminded why Sinnoh was amazing. Also it’s nice that we have a little closure to Cyrus’ fate.
I cant wait to see the giratina battle
or even arceus
If we see it. Though personally I’d love to see something related to races at this point. Like one based off of that unused event
i can’t wait for the reaction to a 10 year old catching god
Based off the reaction to Deoxys and Rayquaza…
yep its gonna be insane
Boring
CYNTHIA!!! <3
She didn’t do anything
She appeared, and that was more than enough
Also I was kind of hoping that we would see the Lake Trio, but apparently not
There’s still 1 more Sinnoh ep. Maybe the lake trio are up next somehow?
Am I the only one who actually preferred if they had kept the traditional gym system? And also, that they had never created Z-Moves and just kept going with Megas, expanding the mechanic?
No you’re not
Theres a chance we have gyms post game but don’t qoute me on that
In all fairness, I do see them bring megas back for the remakes. They kind of have said they are working on megas in a tongue and cheek way, and really their isn’t much more they can do with Z moves
Same here
Z-Moves are cool, but I would have preferred to keep the Gym system to be honest.
No. I liked the gyms… But, I don’t think we should judge until we’ve played the games also.
Thank you! Everyone is saying they miss gyms when they haven’t even played the game yet to see how all the trials are as a whole.
We could end up liking the new version better than gyms! Who knows… Don’t judge a book by it’s cover.
i completely agree, people are only going by what we have seen so far, its too early to judge it until we have played them ourselves, i can garentuee we will think differently once we play them
no, the no-gym format is why i soured on this game early. I also didn’t like in the demo when it told me which moves were super effective against the foe. I understand it may come in handy for younger people, but i just dislike it.
Did anyone else playing the demo notice the HUGE EMPTY PARKING LOT with a
Machamp in it that looks like it could fit a Gym?
You’re not, no, I love gyms and was very disappointed to get that news. However, if you think of the island trials as extended gym puzzles, and kahuna and totem battles as gym leader battles, it’s not so different after all 😉 let’s give it a shot with an open mind…I’m sure gyms will be back for the inevitable gen 4 remakes!
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It’s not that different, think of Jasmines gym, you had to effectively cross an ocean and get a potion and fight through the lighthouse before you could battle her. That was her ‘gym puzzle’ it’s effectively the same with the trial captains and the kahunas.
finally someone gets it! i completely agree!! people are judging by what they have seen, when we should just wait to play them and THEN judge,
Stop hurting my hype D:
These are honestly good points though. Hopefully if I don’t enjoy it because of these reasons, I will on my next play through
Star, I’m returning your hype. You, me, two other junglers… Battle Royale. Lol
Where went you determination that there are more pokémon like THE MYSTERIOUS 7
This article is so pessimistic!
It’s good to ground us all though. Overhype is what killed many games. No Mans Sky anyone?
DONT TALK ABOUT THAT GAMES *looks at limited edition*
No Mans Sky is also an example of why you shouldn’t pre order games. But that’s irrelevant
Well… to be fair the developers promised things that weren’t in the game. I would say pokemon is safe pre-ordering at least at this point near its release. :3
Nintendo games are a safe pre order…. either they look bad at first or they look good lol.
Exactly. Lol
No mans sky you didnt know what to expect since it was new and overhyped atleast pokemon you can get a idea what you will see
This comment section is way to hooked to their ‘member berries.
This should break the tension.
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Member when there wasnt so many pokemon?
Member when you can name your rival?
Member when the daycare was only for one pokemon?
Member when you could walk with pokemon
Member when there was a ninth gym that gave you a pokemon?
Wait what?
The “gym” in Saffron City that gave you Hitmonlee or Hitmonchan instead of taking their badge.
Oooo I member
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I member!
Member when Megas didn’t exist?
I LOVED when Megas didn’t exist!
Member when SomeGuy was Sexy Skimpy Superman Barbie? Milktank farms remember. *nods*
Member Chewbacca?
Member when Rivals were actually mean to you?
Ah, Johto. That red-headed dick. 😀
You didn’t say “I member”
I gotta break your legs now
Do it! 😀
*Grabs a sledgehammer*
Member when you could walk?
*Kra-Rack!!!*
The Earthen Experience: makes Misery look like a day at the park!
God I miss that 🙁
So let’s try to bring some optimism back to these threads.(You’re excused, Earthen, due to your diplomatic immunity as a Warlord.)
What are some things you like about Sun and Moon?
Everything lol
Lol Okay then.
“Judging by the way Mega Evolution was treated, we may not even want to
invest ourselves in the system too deeply for fear of it getting yanked
away a generation later.”
MAYBE THEY ARE GIVING IT IN GEN Iv rEMAKES THATS WHY THEY DINT WANTED OVERTHROUGH US NOW WITH MEGAS AND GIVE NEW POKES A CHANCE TO EXIST???
That’s….actually not a bad theory. OoO
No, we need to have hope!! D:
Seriously, what was the point of this article? Let’s all try to enjoy the game rather than looking at the negatives (before it even came out, I might add). I’m going to continue to have hope that these games will be the best, they are celebratory after all, so they should be good in that respect.
Hope for more pokemon, for more secrets and a really good storyline!!
Woot! My people! You rock my socks!
Yes I totally agree with you. 😀
I don’t think it’s a particularly negative article…honestly I’m seen more negativity in the comments section towards the article than I saw in the article itself…
I think the point of it was just to take a criticial look at some of the info we know so far, admit some of the potential disappointments as well as discussing our hopes, and to remember to temper our expectations. That’s it. He’s not saying ‘the games are going to suck, brace yourselves’. LOL. I’m sure all the staff here at PJ have the childlike night-before-christmas hype for these games that all the rest of us do!
So I just had a thought
If we can all transfer from RBY virtual console, I wonder what genders and abilities they would have
And what if… Dittos transferred have a higher chance of 4-6 IVs
Because need I remind you all if you should ever spend time and Bottlecaps on Hyper Training the very first thing you should make is a legitimate 6IV Ditto
You are wise, milord.
I think everything is FINE!!!! If you don’t like it fine, but it doesn’t mean that you have to bring it down.
There are PLENTY of ways to train your stupid Pokemon, or do you only train them in gym’s? If so, LOL, I don’t see how you get very far at all while playing ANY Pokemon game.
They didn’t revile to much, we still don’t really know anything about the story line, and THAT’S supposed to be the main thing with the game. And as for what the hackers reviled, well I personally didn’t really get very much info from it, other than Pokemon. And THAT didn’t even spoil anything for me. If you don’t like how much info was given out by Nintendo themselves, well no one forced you to watch the video’s, or look at the dex entries on the official web sight, or PURPOSELY go looking for the spoilers. You did that on your own, so you really have no one to blame but yourself for being overly spoiled as you put it.
And as for the Island Challenges, well I think that they are going to be AWESOME! Hell just from doing the one on the demo version, I could tell that they were going to be fun, and NOT to much of a problem to do. Everything for the challenge can be done IN the challenge area, you don’t have to go backtracking all over the place to find things. And even if you did, if you have a problem with those type of games, then perhaps then this is NOT the game for you anyway. These games are meant to be played at leisure, and to have fun with, NOT to bloody well zip through them as fast as you damn well can. If you want that type of game, than go play a time based game.
And with the Z moves, well there just fine as well and I love the animations and I don’t give a fuck if it adds more time to the battle, for me it just adds more time to the game, so its not as short as they usually are. If you don’t like them well, no one is forcing you to use the damn things just like no one forced you to use Mega’s, and they had a “longer than necessary animation” as well. The only time I’m a speed battler is when my damn battery is staring to run dangerously low, or if I’m in a hurry to save my game because I have to be going somewhere.
My main problem is the amount of new pokemon (if it really is the low number we think it is). They haven’t learned from X and Y i guess. So many missed opportunities, and weak designs. I have no problem with how many get revealed, but as long as you have a good number of unrevealed ones to back it up. But other than that the game looks interesting. I really like the scenery, and it seems like theres a lot of exploring to do which is definitely a plus for me. Hopefully post-game has a lot to do too. Taking away gym leaders was risky, but atleast they’re trying something new. I just wish they would change up the plot a little bit. I’m tired of having your neighbor as your rival, and having to stop a team of grunts. That could definitely be touched up on. I played the demo the other day it was kinda bland, and I quit half way through cuz I didn’t want to spoil anymore that i’ve seen already due to leaks.
wow, what a downer of an article :/
Mhm. Not particularly a fan of this article. I hope the next one gets back to being positive.
whats the problem with lurantis type? its genious! it’s based on a orchid mantis, which is an insect that looks like a flower… well, lurantis is a flower that looks like an insect!!! that’s why it’s pure grass. they reversed it, i think thats really cool.
It’s obvious it should’ve been half fighting.
I loved XY, but it certainly had its disappointments and one of those were the reveals of way too many of the new Pokemon. Felt like there wasn’t much of a surprise afterwards.
In the spirit of taking the bad with the good:
– Yes, I am disappointed that they revealed so much in the pre-release period. With every new trailer, I was confident in thinking ‘wow, if they’re showing us this many Pokemon, it must mean there’s so many more to be fund in the game!’ Turns out…nope. That was a letdown, I will confess. This, combined with the smaller amount of new Pokemon (and a large part of that number taken up by Alolan Forms and UBs) was a downside for me. However, on the bright side, I do love many of the new Alola mons and find them very well designed with a lot of thought put into them – Mimikyu, for example. Also since there are fewer new mons, it means I can catch up with raising some of the older Pokemon I always wanted to train but never got around to – Rapidash and Mamoswine, for example!
-The idea of not having gyms surprised and annoyed me at first. I do feel it’s one of the few things I never want Pokemon to change, because I love meeting new gym leaders and their teams, finding out how they fit into their respective towns and cities, and overcoming the gym puzzles. However, are the trials really that different to a kind of extended outdoor gym puzzle? And instead of leaders, we get kahuna and totem battles. It’s actually not that much of a change if you think about it, so I’m happy to welcome it and see how it goes. I hope that Gamefreak have made it enough of a challenge. And hey, it seems like we even get to create our own league at the end! That’s not so bad at all!!!
-Z Moves? Eh. I thought they were gimicky and stupid since the first time I saw them, same as Mega Evolution. So you know what? I won’t use ’em. Simple! There’s plenty more of Alola for me to find enjoyment in!
🙂
My biggest disappointment if the lack of new Pokemon. I wanted over a 100.. not to mention only one Dark type… too many Normal types again.. Same old, same old
“Sucessful innovation”!? haha Making the popular & overused ones more overpowered smh
All seems to be already revealed 🙁 no more surprises
Also I have to think that the reason they’ve revealed so much is because there is much more content then in past games.
The only complaint I have is that they tell you what moves are super effective… I feel like that’s something you’re supposed to learn over time.. makes you a better player. I came back to Pokemon this year not having played a game since Pokemon emerald and was in shock when my salamence’s dragon claw did nothing to clefable
I only hope that there is two region to explore this time…
I really don’t mind how much has been revealed.. just pokemon pretty much right?
As long as not story.
I do wonder if the challenges will be held back by the ever so basic 3DS, could see them being very minimal and repitive as stated above..
I also have no doubt megas will return eventually.. they basically said flygon only didn’t get one due to creators block. I think it was smart to focus on one new mechanic at a time. Why they make you wait til end to use megas again.
I’ve never used this option but i’m sure its still around.. where you can turn off all animations.. sure it works with z moves.
I also was a little weirded out by them displaying effectiveness, until I realized the types on my team.. I simply Can’t remember everything that’s super effective against them or an opponent.
I’m not too familiar with using these typings. Not to mention immunities, and dual types. So this will be helpful to people like me, and kids from the get go. At least it’s only after you battle the pokemon once. Not to mention just remembering the types of the new pokes from the get go can be bothersome..
So yeah. Basically i just can’t wait til pokemon games are made for the switch. I feel the biggest hindrance is still the 3Ds and not just with the graphics.
Their on the right track!
I think if they just move pokemon to the Switch, and bring in the same team from the Gamecube game, Gale of darkness (one of my favorite pokemon games), improve this formula, mix them with the Sun and Moon team.. then they’d be on the way to creating the most Perfect Pokemon game of our Dreams!