Since joining PJN I’ve had all of these mad ideas flowing through my mind, but then a sane, coherent, and utterly ingenious concept reared its ugly head. I’ve thought of a new series so completely logical it’s made my inner psycho shiver with disgust. My idea consists of highlighting the things I dislike in Pokémon. It makes a ridiculous amount of sense; I mean what could possibly go wrong?
Ok seriously this could go either way, and it will no doubt cause some controversy. However, I’d like to point out I do in fact love the franchise with a passion (obviously), and my dislikes (not ‘hating’) will be backed up with solid reasons. The topics I discuss won’t solely be about the games; it will be anything Pokémon. This week keeping with the ‘Gen 1’ theme I will be talking about an infamous group of people within the fandom known as the ‘Genwunners’.
“Biggest trolls in the fandom”
Now I’m not talking about people who just prefer Gen 1 over the others, as they’re great games and there are good reasons as to why people might prefer them. No I’m talking about people who say Gen 1 is the best but slate the rest of the series with little to no reason backing up their opinion. Yes I get that everyone is entitled to an opinion, but when someone is blinded by nostalgia and is defaming a series they supposedly love without any understandable or sincere reason then they’re a Genwunner.
This group of people are never happy and some become the biggest trolls in the fandom (although they’re not real fans if they constantly spurt hatred towards everything new they see in Pokémon). With each new generation they get more tiresome and repetitive, so much so that I’ll list some examples I expect most people have heard and my response to them:
Comment: ‘WTF? An ice cream Pokémon!? They’re really running out of ideas…’ – This is one of the most common jibes I see and it’s been around for a long time (although most now highlight the Vanillite line as their so called ‘evidence’). This comment is usually followed by people claiming how the series has lost originality and that Gen 1 Pokémon are the only good designs.
Response: Ok so you dislike one Pokémon and suddenly it means they’ve run out of ideas and the WHOLE generation sucks? Every generation has the odd weird/lazy design for example Voltorb and Seel. For every ice cream there’s an awesome eagle like Braviary. Besides people like different things, just because you don’t doesn’t mean others don’t either, so get over it.
Comment: ‘WTF? A rubbish bag!? Inanimate objects shouldn’t be Pokémon…’ – Another common complaint is Pokémon based on non living things. Chandelure and Garbordor are two which have garnered a lot of negative attention the past gen; apparently they should all be animals or insects.
Response: Ok explain Magnemite and Geodude to me. You can’t? Well there’s a surprise.
Comment: ‘Pokémon have become too complex’ and ‘Garbordor is such an awful design…’ – Garbordor can be replaced with other Pokémon but he’s been given a lot of hate this past gen. People have also complained about newer Pokémon being too complicated looking and miss the ‘simplicity’ of the original 151.
httpv://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FopyRHHlt3M
Response: Yes Garbordor looks crap but that’s the actual point. He’s meant to look awful and unappealing because he’s a heap of rubbish. The idea for the design is great for a poison Pokémon because waste can give diseases etc. It’s more imaginative than Muk even if I think Muk looks cooler (in my opinion). Designs should not always be judged on looks alone, look behind them for the real meanings. Sometimes the best and most creative ones are the least appreciated.
As for complexity, surely the added detail makes Pokémon look better if anything? Besides every generation has simple and complex Pokémon. Gen 1 has Pokémon like Venusaur, Machamp and Kangaskhan all of which are very detailed. Yet in Gen 5 we see Pokémon as simple as Beartic, Swanna and Musharna. As I said before, one Pokémon does not represent a generation. Also if Pokémon are ‘meant’ to be based on animals and insects, then surely more complexity would be better seeing as how detailed the real life counterparts are?
Comment: ‘Pokémon is always the same, nothing changes, they’re milking it like COD…’ – This one isn’t exactly a Genwunner problem, but it’s a common complaint I see pop up on gaming sites made by people who are obviously unacquainted with the modern versions of the game. Also it’s not about the actual Pokémon this time so I thought I’d throw it into the mix. The premise of this dig comes from the fact that because Pokémon has maintained its winning formula (which has helped Nintendo sell an approximate 50 bazillion copies of the Pokémon main series), it is therefore not making any changes to it and are just reselling the same game with a new coat of paint.
“Every gaming franchise has a successful formula which they stick to”
Response: Right I’m guessing this has to do with 3 main areas which are: gym/elite 4/champion journey, turn based battling and sprites. First off sprites are no more, so that’s no longer a valid complaint (although now people will say they miss Pokémon’s retro look as it was part of its appeal). Secondly the turn based battling is part of Pokémon’s blood. You cannot change the genre of a main series because it would become a completely different game. Every gaming franchise has a successful formula which they stick to. The reason spin offs exist is so developers can take risks and change things. Anyway the battling has evolved greatly with the introduction of physical/special categories and IVs and EVs.
Finally for the 8 badges-Elite 4-Champion journey, I do think they could shake it up a little, but they can’t really change it too much as the whole point of Pokémon is to become the best trainer the world has ever seen. As for everything else in the main series, it has all evolved a lot but you’d have to play the latest games to see it. The core concepts may be familiar, but changing it too much could make them lose their appeal and make them seem more like spin offs than main entries.
Final Thoughts: There will always be Genwunners no matter how good or different the newer games are. We must just ignore and pity them for not being able to enjoy the awesomeness this franchise still brings. For now however, I’d like to hear from you lot. Do you agree with my responses and what would you say instead? Are there any Genwunners here who would like to counter comment? Please discuss below! 🙂
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SECOND! Crap not even first on my own article 🙁 I suck at life.
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I personally HATE the word “Genwunners”. It’s just one of those disgusting words I will Never use like… “Poot or Pooted” YUCK!!! Makes me think of little kids having bowel movements.. and for some stranger reason the word “Genwunners” has the same effect on me.
I understand the word (kind of, what does the wunner part mean?) but can we All agree to make a new word meaning the same thing.. this one is just.. no good
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wunner means one-r
Ohhhhh lol, it is a LOT better now but still, my opinion still stands > , >
Your opinion should stand. It’s annoying to hear the word and annoying that people call themselves fans while contradicting themselves and attacking the newer Pokemon releases.
I don’t like the word particularly, but it’s the name most people recognize when we’re talking about them.
I have to agree for the majority of what you said, if not all of what you have said. Pokemon for Life!
I pretty much agree with absolutely everything you said! Now in my opinion the Pokémon designs have definitely gotten progressively better. There were so many good Pokémon in Gen 5 that they really overshadowed the bad ones. What genwunners need to realize the most is that every generation is guilty of what they criticize the current generation about such as useless or object-based Pokémon.
Exactly 🙂 gen 5 had some of my favourite designs!
Klink’s Japanese name is “Gear.”
Klink counts as one pokemon even though there are two of them.
There is only 1 Klink in the banner.
Mindblown.
Moving done the logo wrong 😛 was hoping no one noticed. But I could be talking about more than one Gear, just only one is shown and the rest are hiding.
Oh hell…genwunners are so tedious! I mean hell i love Gen 1 to pieces and every now and again i can’t resist a new playthrough of red or blue. However although i can make an amazing team with just Gen 1 pokemon… how much more awesome is it to make a team with all gen’s available! Gen 2 brought me Kingdra, Gen 3 Ludicolo and Swampert! I could not see my team without them now. The concept of genwunners is understandable to an extent- yes i stopped doing a lot of things after gen 1 like collecting stickers and seriously cutting back on the pokemon cards but when i think of all teh stuff ive started doing afterwards…hell competitive battling wouldn’t exist if it had all stopped at gen 1! So honestly let the haters be haters but a hater is not a fan and that’s all there is to it.
Every generation has its share of good and not as good pokemon. I love gen 1 but, in my opinion, it has the most blandly designed pokemon of any generation. Of course it is the first so you can’t really blame it but still. I love all the detailing they put into the designs of the new ones. Gen 6 is honestly looking to be my favorite generation and I haven’t even played it! I remember just the other day I was defending megaevolutions from some butthole. He wasn’t exactly a genwunner or whatever they’re called but it still goes back to just accepting every pokemon, ugly or pretty, because they’re all great and they bring us all together here on pokejungle : )
BTW i just want to add that i love the idea for this series…its nice to have a place to vent the frustrating aspects of the series and talk about them with people who feel the same way 🙂 It’s like Poke-therapy.
I agree. It makes you appreciate and want the games even more. Nintendo should really think about opening up a facebook-styled Pokemon site where people can chat like this.
Id love it but it honestly would never happen. The primary target audience is younger kids although GF/Nintendo are always aware of the older audience but its doubtful they would target any venture at the older audience. A social media site would be deemed inappropriate for the younger audience. It’s a shame but an inevitable fact.
Well they did make it so you can send messages that are not predetermined in PSS. That’s a start.
Awesome I was hoping we’d be able to do that!
Yes that is a nice feature and a perfect example of something they have added as a nod to the older audience but again it will require friend codes so is more private than a forum or social site on which anyone can comment and view.
So do you mean like proper profile pages?
Thanks ^^ always like to try something different. I think it’ll make us more aware of its flaws and therefore enable us to think of even more awesome ideas for future gens.
Let us not forget the pokeball pokemon, and, wait for it….the UPSIDEDOWN pokeball pokemon! Every gen has its ups and downs, but why hate on a gen? Just cause its nostalgic doesn’t mean it’s the best one! My first game was pokemon red, but my favorite game of all times is pokemon emerald. I seriously don’t get though why “true fans” hate on a game. They just keep getting better IMO.
Love all pokemon or don’t call yourself a fan.
I 100% agree with your responses. GOD this article was spot on. Great read. I giggled all the way through. The Vanillite line is tired and rancidity at its finest. Gen 1 had a set of eggs, Gen 3 had a cherry, I mean… Food, mammals, rodents, they have a formula like you say and they stick to it. Good job! This page needs to spread on to all the Genwunners. You even know its that bad when Gen One’s are even given a damn name smh (genwunners).
Thanks 🙂 unfortunately they’ll always be around, but at least we know how to respond to them.
Pokemon gets better every generation. I’ll admit, I’m one that’s not the most accepting of change. I was in shock with the reveal of mega-evolutions, and I hated them. Over time I accepted this was the path Pokemon was going to follow and I either join it or leave it. I’ve been on both sides of the spectrum though, I loved Oshawott when it came out when everyone else thought it was ugly and stupid. However I am also guilty of hating on mega-evolutions. I think some require more time to adapt to change than others, and that is how some of us get a bad rep for “hating”. Let me conclude with this,
If you’re a genwunner, you’re not a Pokemon fan. Plain and simple.
It’s fair enough to dislike something about Pokémon, I mean this Grind Gear series will focus on things I dislike about it and I’m sure many fans will open up on their dislikes too. But genwunners dislike everything and for no reason, yet they call themselves fans.
I actually was similar to genwunners at one point (similar not acually one) i started with gen 3 and played until 2009 but then i felt i was to old for the games so i quit playing them, years later i hated on fifth gen and the anime but still claimed the games were getting better and the anime worse. then last year i picked up black 2 now i’m 100% addicted again since then i’ve played emerald, HG twice platinum twice and fire red twice and i can’t wait for X and Y
I dislike that in order to ‘respond’ to genwunners, people put down other Pokemon designs. For example, to respond to a genwunner complaining about Klank’s design, someone else points out that Magnemite was just a floating magnet. I get the argument…the genwunner was ironic and thus his argument is invalid. The only way he MIGHT realize that is if it is pointed out how gen 1 wasn’t that much different. Unfortunately it’s rare that the genwunner admits that he is wrong and thus all the person trying to argue ends up doing is insulting Pokemon designs.
I do not see, however, any Pokemon having atrocious nor mundane designs. Any, even the ones I am not very fond of. I actually appreciate simplistic designs no matter the generation. I simply argue that Pokemon is a constantly evolving series that keeps true to its roots. That is why Pokemon is as successful as it is, besides the genius that is the game’s makers (and marketers). Very few series manage to run as long as Pokemon has. If the game was constantly like generation 1, the series would flop, people would get bored, and you’d never have a Pokemon game again. Naturally, people don’t use their brains and don’t seem to understand this simple concept.
Change. Is. Good.
That is what bothers me the most about genwunners; they never embrace change. This doesn’t just happen with Pokemon either. There are a ton of products with a segregated group of consumers whom never seem to want to come out of their shells and appreciate the changes being made. In a way, I feel bad for those closed minded individuals, as they will never be able to enjoy and appreciate what is being given to them. Instead they decide to wrap themselves tight in a distorted fantasy where they constantly relive their nostalgia.
But that’s exactly what it is suppose to be…nostalgic. I know I will never again relive being a little girl playing Red for the first time. I won’t ever be standing overly excited at the Best Buy line waiting to get Pokemon Yellow. Those happenings are in the past and will always be good memories to me. In the end, clinging to those memories and being unable to move on just sounds so…depressing. On the other hand, many fans can make new memories along with their old ones and maintain their happiness. That’s what really counts.
On the very logical side of this argument, if Pokemon didn’t change to appeal to its masses, we wouldn’t have Pokemon. If genwunners want to forever love the first generation, he has the right to do so. However, insulting the later generations does nothing in benefit of the genwunner as such, Pokemon continues to profit exponentially and touch the hearts of other children to this very day.
Of course, most genwunners are just trolls and thus shouldn’t be taken very seriously most of the time. Sometimes they are legit, but other times, since the term has become so popular, many trolls pretend to be genwunners to anger the other fans.
…as another side note, ‘trolls’ have really gone down in value. See back in my day…
I didn’t read a single word of that essay but I agree completely. If you have to write that much, it must be good! 😛
No read it D<
ok ok ok!! X/
Trust me, I just read the whole thing and it was fucking amazing. She deserves an Oscar to be honest.
Might I add though, yes we’ll never relive those days of being 9 and buying Red/Yellow or what have you, but I don’t cling to the nostalgic feeling and think forward in life. As in when I’m 55, I want to look back on my life and go “god I remember being a kick ass 22 year old buying X and Y” then rather the red/yellow days.
Well, Oscars are for movies. There is a prize for written works though, that would be the Pulitzer Prize.
Go 22 year olds whoooo 😀
Are you a psychologist? Very well written essay 😀 You make GREAT points and I completely agree.
No. I’m actually studying human resources. xD But I damn well could be! Though I think you mean philosopher. Psychologists study and evaluate brain/mental processes.
Also, thanks!
That’s part of understanding a “Genwunner” (Psychology) LOL
Sociology 101: Understanding Genwunners and their irony
Oh wow you and I are taking the same class O.o
I have never thought I could ever agree with you but the first paragraph is just pure truth.
Keep an open mind about things. Just because we’ve disagreed before doesn’t mean we always will.
No it was not about disagreeing. You came to me as supercilious with your contemptuous comments directed subtly at me. I don’t know if it was your intention or not though.
Not really. You simply took very high offense due to my disagreement with you in regards to something you apparently are very sensitive about. I don’t recall directly insulting you as a person.
No problem then ^.^
Very nicely put 🙂
“it hit me like a poke’ball! I just wanted to catch them all ! ” ……………………
All I ever wanted was that….Fletchlinggg!
So true! My brother kinda is one, but he just is indifferent to the newer gens and he doesn’t play Pokemon in general anymore. Luckily, I don’t know of anyone else who is a genwunner, and thank goodness, I would beat their butts if any were. Pokemon’s getting better and better! They change things, but it still has that spark of adventure, different, but still the same. 😀
To me, you must be tolerant of everything Pokemon. Love it or hate it, whatever, but so long as you can understand, appreciate, and be tolerant of it, then I consider you a true fan. Unless your hate is too much. THEN maybe not.
WARNING: Science. The Psychology of Nostalgia has always intrigued me. The problem with genwunners is that they literally cannot comprehend the negative aspects of Gen1. When regulatory mechanisms in the brain categorize long term memories, they label the memories as either Positive or Negative. Nostalgia is strictly Positive. That means that whenever a genwunner tries to think about Gen1, the only memories they can access are the Positive ones. This has sometimes been referred to as a social sickness. The more they complain about new generations, the better they feel about their memories of Gen1. Not only that, but degrading the new gens causes feelings of social connectivity. They feel loved, appreciated, and have a sense of assurance and self esteem boost. Genwunners are diseased, they need our help, not our ridicule. So it’s important to remember to treat them with respect and care, for they are sickly and don’t understand.
That makes some sense. Unfortunately, there’s not much we can do to help them in any way, even if we wanted to. Most, if not all, will never see ‘eye to eye’ with another person whom does not agree with them. At times, a ‘genwunner’ may come to realize he/she is wrong about things…but not likely. This is a condition to where humans are so consumed with pride that they will refuse to believe they are wrong, even if they have to completely ignore the existence of something to make themselves ‘right’.
Exactly, the best thing we can do is ignore them/let them say what they want to make themselves happy. Meanwhile we get to play some kick-ass new Pokémon games, their loss 😉
Well said
That’s a fair point, we need to force every one of them to play the new games as it’s the only way they’ll listen to reason. Lets do some kidnapping >:)
Thanks! Haha sounds good where do I sign up? 😛
Everyone has their preferences. For me my favorite generation has to be Generation 3. I loved the music <3 The story line, Pokemon, everything! That doesn't mean I am a Genthirder; it's just that it's my favorite generation of the games. I think that may all change this time around. With R/S remakes most likely coming our way and Pokemon X & Y plus future games that are going to be even better when they get used to the 3DS' engine! I love all the generations of Pokemon.
The funny thing that most people don't realize about B/W/B2/W2 is that it's based on New York area and NY is mostly urban. Of course we are going to see trash bag Pokemon, ice cream Pokemon, etc. It goes with the theme of the games! They didn't just randomly decide to make those Pokemon!
**OPINION** To be honest this is the best games/generations of Pokemon as of now. Have you heard of anyone criticizing X & Y Pokemon?? The only one who got it a bit was Swirlix and that was nothing because Swirlix is awesome! There may still be some "over the top" Pokemon left for us to discover, if there is we have to live with if. If they are real well then what are you going to do? Complain to Game freak? Eventually you will get used to it.**END OF OPINION**
The statement "Running out of ideas" bugs me so much!
Remember that Pokemon the guy in R/B I believe said that he wanted to see Pokemon's dreams or something like that? 4 generations later came Munna.
Munna could have been made in generation 1 but saved for a later time!
Before the announcement of X & Y all of the starters and their evolutions were already designed and ready to use. They may have used these 10 months to compose the music, improve graphics, fix glitches, and maybe design or finish the rest of the Pokemon.
Quilladin and Chespin might have been designed in generation 1 even!
How long do you think they were thinking of Fairy type but were saving for a later better time?
What would "genwunners" say if Quilladin and Swirlix were from Generation 1 and Charmander was from Generation 6?
Okay getting to the point, if you don't accept every Pokemon for who they are, fine that's your opinion. Now if you start bashing and cyber-bullying people over the nostalgia of their first games that were FULL of issues then that’s a problem.
As they say,”If you don’t have nothing nice to say, don’t say it all“
Agree, Agree 100% agree! Gen 3 is my favourite gen as well but the difference is we say “favourite” not “gen 3 is the only gen worth knowing of” lol
Actually I see a lot of people throughout the internet complaining about X and Y, even if most of them do so without any logic whatsoever. I’ve even seen people outright hate on others whom want a RSE remake. Yes, they HATE on the people who want a remake of a game.
“You all think you have great ideas for Pokemon games, but if I actually listened to all of you and we combined all of your ideas into a game, it would be an unplayable monstrous game. You want a game with all the regions, but only the first generation Pokemons, yet all the legendary ones and such silly things. Whenever I receive one of these rants, I go to the development floor and read it out loud to all the Game Freak employees in a mocking voice, and we all laugh at you.”
^This was a facebook quote (found: https://www.facebook.com/tajirisan/posts/10151169915960598 NO IT’S NOT REALLY HIM) and even though it’s fanmade, it’s brilliant. And true.
The truth is that, the fanbase actually has no flipping idea what it wants.
I have hardly seen any complaints 😛 I have seen people hating on the remakes though. It makes me sad that the fan base is separated into three groups:
In with the old, out with the new (“Genwunners”)
In with the new out with the old, and
I love every generation.
It’s like Rayquaza, Groudon, and Kyogre.
XD
What even more sad is how people say Pokemon remakes, or even Nintendo related HD remasters and releases like Twilight Princess on the Wii and Wind Waker HD, people whine and say its Nintendo failing or they are going to die. The sadder part is when other guys like SONY who released how many HD remasters, and MS who remade Halo 1 and Fable 1, no body complain, but instead they said it was innovative, how???? To me these people are just dull gamers who use the term gamer as a popularity show, cause sadly gamer is now something mainstream and “cool” and it’s sad. Don’t believe me, watch this guy try and play Gold, and stop making this “LP” after few episodes.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8YfPcfULiCA
If you use CoD as a reference (or Halo, both work depending on the person) the person will instantly defend CoD literally being on the same recycled server for most of the series’ life, with little to no advancements or changes being made. This is usually due to the generation gap, where inept kids can’t associate properly nor maturely and thus primarily only desire competitive gain. Otherwise, people are just closed minded.
I actually really disliked the original Twilight Princess. The controls were disastrous and everything was mirrored. The gamecube version was easier to play thus a lot more enjoyable. Also, God, Windwaker HD looks amazing.
Nintendo is not dying. Nintendo is not anywhere close to dying. The 3ds is the most popular system on the market right now. MH sales have gone through the atmosphere. Man. Some people are delusional aren’t they?
I can imagine these games are going to skyrocket and most likely sell better than MH3U!
With 4 on the Way, the 3DS is set, and IGN better fix that Top 25 list after X and Y lol
Since the list has been updated I’m not so sure it can beat SM3DL because that game is amazing! More people buy Mario games since they are less targeted towards kids. Right now it’s my favorite game I have on my 3DS. That will certainly change with X & Y!
IMO Fire Emblem Awakening has taken my handheld game of the year. That is I think until this fall. But I want to get 3D Land one more time, sadly my copy was destroyed in Sandy :/
I never really understood FEA. I downloaded the demo and I didn’t like it : My condolences goes out to your 3DS, your family, and you 🙁
I saw a lot of complaints in the beginning of XY’s reveals. People seemed upset that the games were not sprite based anymore, that the starter designs were stupid and ripped off older generations, that 3D would never work right and the graphics were fuzzy, stuff like that. People are just impossible to please.
Now you have said it! It’s human nature. No one is ever happy! Eventually they will get used to it and like it even more! How could someone go back to sprites after seeing these 3D Models!!?
The moment the Knato starters were revealed, people said that the Kalos starters ere and I quote “So bad that they are using the better ones to get sales”. Really now.
People find a negative in everything! -_-
Exactly Game Freak can’t win either way, but could you imagine the amount of complaints they would get if they kept sprites? It would be much worse… the horror D=
Actually you’re quite right. The trainer is next to Mt. Moon, I believe its a Lass, and she says she wishes there was a pink and round Pokemon with floral patterns and that would be cool. 4 Gens later it came intro fruition. There is also a trainer in Celadon city that has a Poliwrath. If you talk to him he says he wishes it’ll become more of a frog Pokemon. If you talk to the Poliwrath it says “ribbit!” 1 Gen later in Gen 2 they made its pre-evo, Poliwhirl, instead have a chain evolve form into what do you know.. an actual frog, Politoed.
Also, in Gen 3, someone that hacked in the system files or something discovered that Shellos (a gen 4 pokemon) was actually meant to be a Gen 3 Pokemon but was later axed. Believe it or not, my cousin (a Genwunner) actually used to have some sort of poster or paper of sort (i was young) that had Professor Oak talking to a trainer (that looks like Red but his back is turned to the viewer) and his conversation bubble says something about the their exists a world of over 1,000 Pokemon. And I also believe long ago Sugimori was once quoted saying he sketched over 1,000 Pokemon designs as well. We are only scratching the surface if thats the case.
Also remember… the very first episode of Pokemon Ash see’s a Ho-Oh flying above in the sky, years before Gen 2 arrived.
Exactly! For all we know over 2,000 Pokemon could be made already!
Gen 2 was also suppose to be a large part of gen 1. I believe the game ended up too large and they separated a lot of features into a sequel. This further harms a genwunner’s illogical argument spasms.
Okay you know that foggy part of the Kalos map? Instead of making remakes (which I really want) I think that part of the map is going to be connected to Hoenn somehow. Just like in gold and silver where johto connected to kanto. The third gen was technically just a fill in because pokemon became so popular. It is my favorite gen because it was so different and stuck out from the other gens. It would be cool in X and Y if after you beat the elite 4, the campion sends you to this place and then you meet steven and he takes you to hoenn and then you meet may or brandon or proff. birch and they give you the hoenn starter and someone gives you a costume or outfit to look like brandon (or May) and you start your journey a lll over again but it’s just like gold and silver so you do the gyms and elite 4 again and then you live happily ever after……………. *gaspp….. But hey. a man can dream…
Nooooooo! 🙁 Hoenn deserves it’s own game so it can have better graphics, more space for more things, etc.! If it does happen well then there is nothing else to do but in my opinion Hoenn is much better in it’s own games.
well thats what I hope for, but if they dont do that then this would be cool too.
Remember! that leaker said a few weaks ago “Expect to be seeing Hoenn really soon” which made us ponder!!! Either Kalos gives us a lot of hints of Hoenn, or maybe we can travel to an updated Hoenn once we beat the game (Which I doubt)
That got me so excited because I have been waiting for remakes since Platinum ._. I have seen A LOT of hints towards Hoenn too. The biggest one is the “We are remaking a game..etc.etc..” In HG/SS!
the biggest hints for me were:
– the pokeball on the middle of the floor in the Pokecenter in D/P/P was Gold/Silver. We ended up getting HGSS. 🙂 the pokeball on the middle of the floor in HGSS was green. We didn’t get an Emerald remake but we got B/W (which IMO were side projects while they work on X/Y/Emerald remake)
– the guy in the desert resort in B/W says he got his go-goggles from another region (you can only get go-goggles from hoenn)
– the house you can access in winter time in Icurus city in B2W2 has 3 people in it, an old man, old lady, and a young man. The elderly couple are married. If you talk to the husband he says back in his day he dreamed of turning the world into land but to not tell his wife. if you talk to his wife she says she used to dream of turning the world into water but to not tell her husband. They were ex-team magma/aqua members. And the third guy in the room is a sound designer and plays you a remixed song from a route in emerald!!!!
– there is a magma cave and water cave in B2W2 but sadly you cannot encounter groudon or kyogre in them.
– all the 3rd gen pokemon got updated sprites in 5th gen. and so did the 3rd gen gym leaders in the Pokemon World Tournament. Also if you beat Steven Stone in the PWT he says “emerald can be mined in the Driftveil gym” and if you travel to the bottom of the gym there are huge chunks of green emerald. EMERALD REMAKE CONFIRMED!!
– in the Driftveil Market (the outside market), there is a lady that says they get their goods imported from another regions market. This is Slateport City who ships their goods to other regions. Slateport is of course from Hoenn!!!!
In the Victory Road entrance with the Orange/Red and Blue lines on the sides reminded me of R/S/E.
Look at this: http://www.pokemonxy.com/_ui/img/_en/screenshots/july_p04_03.jpg EMERALDS!
I watch a video series about remake hints and that got me even more pumped!
OOH OH OH I just remembered! That guy from Sinnoh in that house that says he would like to see the space shuttle from Hoenn launch, the Whirl Islands, etc. in HG/SS that happened.
Could the Space Shuttle launch in the remakes? Maybe you could go into outer space and battle Deoxys!
Two more hints for hoenn. IN sinnoh league. Half of ashs pokemon against Tobias were from hoenn. The second hint s half of the first six mega evolutions were pokemon from what region? Hoenn!
I really hope for a Hoenn remake. I loved that generation.
They are also using a lot, like a LOT of gen 1 references. I wonder if they are hinting for something relating to gen 1 in the future.
I agree. Returning to Kanto in G/S was enjoyable, but it wasn’t done right. It was literally just going through Kanto backwards with small changes done to it. I always find myself getting bored whenever I get to Kanto’s section.
If I’m honest, they couldn’t upgrade the graphics that much more. Platinum didn’t have that big of an upgrade to DP. Black and White used up the majority of the DS’s power, which was saved for a new Generation. Problem now is, there are way over 700 Pokemon now, all with 2D micro-sprites AND fully rendered 3D models and textures. That’s how you know this will be the only new generation on the 3DS because as the games expand, they use up all of the power of the console.
I was also thinking this would happen. Somewhat.
I think the foggy part of the Kalos map will lead to another part of Kalos around the same size.
One of the codes on that new game is “XY738A” (and the website is called Gotta Catch Em All) which means there would only be 86 new Pokemon this Gen (not including Mega’s cause they aren’t new Pokemon). Take note of the “A” in the code name. I’m thinking there will be a “B” portion will we will later see another 80 or so Pokemon to be released in another 6 months or so as a Gen 6.5.
I’m pretty sure it’s stated that the Pokedex is separated into different sections.
Yeah this in a way might be a sequel to hoenn because there was never much closure. or they should make a ruby and sapphire 2.
Each region is based on real world locations and the same goes for the games. Kanto and Johto connect the same way the locations that inspired them do. Hoenn is separate, just like Sinnoh. Unova would be placed where America is on the map and Kalos where France is.
I still hope for Hoenn remakes though and I have a feeling it’s likely. The Unova games had hints to it and there’s a subtle theme that fits, as well as 3(DS). DS wouldn’t have allowed too much to be upgraded for Gen 3 like it could for Gen 2. I’m keeping my fingers crossed though.
I think it’s more fitting for them to remake the Gen 3 games and release them after X&Y, while they work on “Z” to add upgrades and the like – Perhaps a single sequel to X&Y.
Actually the fact that Gen V came for the same handheld console that a previous generation Did, makes me think that it was a Filler generation instead of Gen III being an actual filler gen. if you remember each pokemon gen comes for an specific handheld, and sometimes a remake, but not two new generations to the same console; if I’m not wrong it goes like this:
Pokémon RBGY: Nintendo GameBoy
Pokémon GSC: GameBoy color
Pokémon RSE: GameBoy Advance (plus, FRLG remakes)
Pokémon DPPt: Nintendo DS (plus, HGSS remakes)
Pokémon BW and B2W2: Nintendo DS (filler Gen)
Pokémon MotherF*cking XY: Nintendo 3DS.
That being said, gen V does have good things, like character developement goes deeper, storyline is better than other gens, some pokémon got cool desings (I love all the bug Pokémon of this gen), training and battling are even more interesting and intuitive, compared to previous generations, improved online experience and so on.
And because nintendo 3DS has a 3 on its name I gotta say: HOENN CONFIRMED!!!1!!
I have an older cousin around 25 or 26 (I’m 22), and he stopped playing Pokemon long ago (he stopped after Link Cable’s lol) but anyways… he came to visit me a few months ago and he saw that I had up on my computer screen the reveal of “marill/gardevoir/jigglypuff” being fairy type. and he goes “man back in my day jigglypuff used to be a normal type” and i said “OMG shush he still is, ain’t no damn /back in your day’ Pokemon is not that old and is still relevant, BYE!”
You gotta kill them with sudden fierceness.
Say ‘well now Jigglypuff can kill dragons. Your argument is invalid’.
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I think that if they do end up making more remakes in the future for example a Pokemon Heart and Gold (or any other gen game) they need to Add a couple of New Pokemon for that one region that haven’t been seen before. One of my ideas was that since Heart and Gold never saw fossil Pokemon from that region they can introduce New Fossil Pokemon that were discovered there like a Rock/Steel and a Rock/Dark and their evolutions seeing as Steel and Dark were introduced in the second gen or they could go with Rock/Dark and Rock/Fairy etc. It would make things a even more exciting when buying a remake knowing that that remake will have a few ALL NEW Pokemon in it.
I’m a proud Genwunner, but not for any of the reasons you have said, but because as the games have become increasingly complicated in regards to EVs, IVs, Breeding, Natures, plots, ‘characters’, the games 1P experience has become boring and unpleasant. Gen5 and 3 more so than 4.
I am also not a fan of where the lore went, with Pokemon being indigenous to the world, it not being the real world ect. I prefer the vague nature of G1 with the scientific view point. Not to mention that I find the newly introduced ‘complex plots’ to be incredibly boring and a ‘A to Shut Them Up’ situation if I ever experienced one.
I like a lot of the designs, designs have never been an issue for me. But I really don’t like them as games anymore. G1 was simple, but more enjoyable to me.
I dunno if that’s being a genwunner. From my understanding, genwunners do not ‘approve’ of any generation besides gen 1 due to illogical, unfathomable reasons that sound nothing short of whining. Having true reasons to preferring the first generation is admirable, however, the later games may still have positive points about them that deserve to be recognizable, at the very least. ‘Genwunners’ won’t even admit to later generations being ‘Pokemon’.
That being said, as you prefer the simplistic part of the game, I agree with you. However, the good news is that in order to play the game, you can completely ignore most of the new additions such as natures, EV training, breeding, etc. These are optional advancements that don’t even need to be utilized to complete the game. I admire GameFreak for that. For example, I rarely bother breeding, don’t pay particular attention to stats or natures (most of these ‘additional gimmicks’ are for coding purposes, such as the random number generator being attached to IVs) and can get through the game just fine.
The story, plot, characters…are all hit and miss. I, personally, do not see much difference. Obviously the characters must be different as more games are revealed. Some I liked. Some I didn’t. For me personally, I enjoy characters with actual depth, so long as it is pulled off well. However, I rarely remember most of the characters. The stories and plots typically are still pretty cliche for those younger players, but I suppose I enjoy a more in-depth story that gives the game a more ‘RPG’ feel, rather than ‘go here next, get more badges’. I actually wish they’d get rid of the badge system. It’s boring.
The lore has its ups and downs and gets really rambunctious, which is something I miss from gen 1 as well. Later gen stories go into a lot of detail about the ‘world’, though, such as society for Pokemon and different environments, etc…which is entertaining enough. The games still make absolute certain to make as much sense as possible with the littlest of details, a fact I’m very happy with Gamefreak for. Gamefreak just never seems to slip.
I agree with the 1P thing. I would love for an MMO Pokemon game. Fortunately, gen 6 involves a lot more wifi connectivity with other people, so that seems like a positive approach to a wider spectrum.
I do agree and yes the badge thing needs to be changed or something…
You’re a gen 1 fan not a genwunner in that case 😛 you have put across your reasons well and it’s completely understandable. There are some newer features I’m not keen on but that’s an article for another day XD
You see I relate to the last part. You see, last week I was at our campus’s local werckroom/pub/alcove or whatever and started playing White 2 with a couple of friends. Behind us were some dudes playing Street Fighter 4 Arcade Edition (yes, I took the effort to see what it was, cause I use it watch). So long story short, the guys see us playing White 2 and came over and asked and I quote “Why they f*** do you still play a milked franchise that’s as bad a CoD”. Now we are in college, and I’d say that’s a bit improper manners right there, but we all then mentions that it’s formula works, and they do mix it up most of the times and used Black and White and X and Y as examples. The guys then went on and on at how Battlefield, Need for Speed, and even Zelda are failing series. So after noticing the guys wouldn’t let up, I ask them this one question, “yo, what version of Street Fighter you playing?” The men’s reply “Arcade Edition, one of the best editions out there”. So Then I simply asked that if Pokemon were a bad milked franchise, wouldn’t Street Fighter IV or Street Fighter the series in general, which gets re-releases over and over again, but still get the love we show to Pokemon, and other fans show to other series that are so called “milked”. At that time I noticed my class was about to begin, so I packed up my stuff, and made my leave, but I made it as if I went off leaving them to think about what they just did. Now I am all about games, but bashing them isn’t my style, I play for fun, not for what’s milked, better, or even for looks. Let’s leave this issue with one thing, if you like it, enjoy it and don’t let others bother you about it, and find a crew who likes it as well. And always be open for new things, and don;t hurt someone over something they like, try it and hay, maybe you’ll like it.
-Oh Spoiler: We never did see those boys ever again there, just saying, the went MIA which imo kind of worries me that they got banned fro there :s
My only complaint is the ever-so-constant victimization I suffer from cheating trainers on Wi-Fi battles. (either losing unjustly or running like a coward)
Hackers using a complete team of shiny legendary Pokemon.
Why can’t the online battles block hacked Pokemon
But it’ll all change with super training!
You wouldn’t need to worry about that anymore pretty soon (In about 25 days) 😉
Ah hackers! How could I forget? This will most definitely be another Grind My Gear topic in the future, thanks 🙂