Sorry, no Mega Pokémon allowed today. I’ll keep that for when the games are actually out and all Mega Pokémon are fully revealed. No point in discussing them now, when we don’t know everything about them. Also, apologies for the server issues. We were under extremely heavy load which forced the host to shut down the site temporarily. The issue should be resolved for now. We’re also looking to upgrade the servers very soon.
As usual, we’re taking a step back from all the XY stuff and we focus on lesser discussed topics. Today is all about Baby Pokémon. Instead of evolving fully grown Pokémon, Gold and Silver introduced pre-evolutions for older Pokémon. Later generations each brought a new wave of baby Pokémon. They look way cuter and smaller than their mommy and daddy but are also less powerful. What is your take on them? Do you like the concept? Or do you think they are a waste of time and effort for Gamefreak, seeing as they take up Pokémon slots, when they aren’t actually useful at all. What’s your favorite baby Pokémon? And which older Pokémon do you think deserves a Baby?
We’ll be back tomorrow with our take on Mega Pokémon tomorrow. In the mean time, go comment on this post, or check out our other articles!
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I KNOW WHAT YOU MEANT NOW. How dare you.
Not only does Dae get to write a post, he gets to comment first on it too. That’s a bit unfair…
While yes they are cute, I feel they’re rather useless.
Cryagonal needs some more love, and a baby cryagonal could awesome
It can’t image that! It will just be ice! :/
Or a very small snowflake with big red glowing eyes and a big fake smile
I like baby Pokemon because they make getting tougher Pokemon to find easier 😀 While they do take up some slots for potentially awesome Pokemon I think they are cute and I just wanna hug some of them! I think Throh, Sawk, Sigilyph, Lapras, Onix, Skarmory, etc. should get one.
it’s true in that they are useless in the battle, but i understand the reason why GF introduced them. in Gen II they introduced the breeding system, so you could create eggs from other pokemon, but probably found it weird for some pokemon to born directly from the eggs, so they created those baby forms because of that: those are babies, and when they grow up, they become the normal pokemon. so yeah, they are useless in battle, but they fit in the context of the species. in the end, we are not exactly as when we were babies, we’ve grown up and changed, and the same with pokemon
Chingling is my current favourite baby pokémon. I don’t especially like babies, but chingling is cute and badass at the same time.
Older pokémon that could have a baby: Lickitung. I love lickitung and I love Lickilicky. There could be another member in that evolution line yet 😉
They are useful because they serve for a fanbase that like pokemon who are cute or small.. And I don’t know about you guys but I really enjoy catching a pre-evo like Budew or hatching an Elekid and training them up to be their final forms. Also, pre-evos can be stronger via learning egg moves, so I don’t think they are completely useless.
The only time I have a problem with baby Pokemon is when they fill out a three stage evolution chain of a Pokemon that really needs an evolution instead. Igglybuff is the prime example of this. Wigglytuff is terrible and could use an evo. Also, even though Jigglypuff looks like it could pass for a baby Pokemon they decided to introduce Igglybuff anyway. These two factors combined make it the most pointless baby Pokemon of all. Whereas on something like Chansey, a baby is fine as both Chansey and Blissey are plenty deadly in their own right.
Or maybe it could use a Mega Evolution, perhaps?
I like Baby Pokemon for the sake of helping fill out the world. Sure, they may be ‘useless’ but, when you think about breeding, having something that serves better as a baby makes a lot of them feel right. For instance, Onix could probably use one, if only the fact hatching a *correction* 28′ foot rock snake out of a little tiny egg really breaks the immersion. Of course, when it comes to Baby Pokemon, perhaps the one I think needs it more than any is freaking Kangaskhan, due to hatching from an Egg not only full grown, but also already having a baby of it’s own!
You hatch a Pre-Evo of Kangaskhan, it evolves into Kangaskhan (which has a baby), where does Kangaskhan’s baby come from?
Maybe it’ll be like a mantine, and you have something else in your party to evolve it. It’s really a weird paradox no matter how you look at it. It’s either born with a baby, or when it evolves, it evolves and has a baby in the process, like it’s an offshoot. I mean, when you evolve them, where do the other Magnemite come from for Magneton? Where does the Shellder that apparently attaches to your Slowpoke come from? It wouldn’t be the first Pokemon to do that.
I forgot about Slowbro/Slowking 😛
Wow, that’s really something to ponder. Just like back in the day, when we were asking ourselves what is that thing on Slowbro’s tail. 🙂
I don’t seeing how that’s a big problem… lol I mean does it make more sense to you for it to hatch from an egg with a baby then after having a pre evo?
Nintendo won’t ever do a Kangaskhan pre-evolution. If they use the baby design that is on Kangaskhan’s pouch, fans will complain for them being uncreative, and if they use a new design fans will complain for insulting the original design.
The chances of it are not high, I agree, but I wouldn’t say never. Pretty sure adding this temporary new form of evolution to super boost Pokemon would have been high on many people’s Never Going to Happen list. And fans have complained about plenty of things, and they did it anyways, so I doubt that would be much of a deterrent.
I think it’s the complete opposite actually. I actually feel like many fans WANT the pre-evo to be the same baby design as the one on its pouch bcause it’s completely logical. I personally wouldn’t mind the baby to be it’s own pokemon :3
They will probably never give kangaskhan a prevo. It would just be way too difficult and complicated to pull off. I would love one just as much as the next but I just can’t think of how hey can do it without leaving some problems. Maybe the could pull it off, but it’s highly highly unlikely
Given that 13/18 baby Pokémon evolve either into the Fairy Egg Group or the Human-Like Egg Group, I feel like any pre-evolutions to old pokemon would most likely evolve into those Egg Groups as well. I like what they did with Lucario, having Riolu debut in the same generation. That makes the most sense to me.
To be completely honest, I forgot they existed.
It’s not a feature I remember that often anyway, and Munchlax, Riolu, and Azurill are the only ones I ever see in battle.
Still, Pichu is one of my favorite Pokemon… and I don’t think they’re a waste of slots or anything. I really don’t think not creating Azurill would have meant Game Freak completing Gastrodon in time for Hoenn or anything. And it’s nice to see that new Pokemon related to existing Pokemon doesn’t just go in one direction.
But my gripe about baby Pokemon is that they make breeding longer and a bit more tedius. Having to level up Togepi or Elekid first before I can do anything kinda sucks.
Baby Pokemon have no sense for me, since we have 3 stage evolution, but they’re cute
My favorite Pokemon is Budew, but that’s probably because I have a Roserade fetish. 😡
I personally believe that there’s no such thing as a useless Pokemon, but, that being said, I could never play through a whole game with a baby Pokemon in my party. They’re cute and all, but after a while they need to be evolved so they can reach their full potential!
Roserade fetish… I wonder where you got that… Certainly not a really cool and funny person on Twitter…
We need to stop focusing only on the battles. Pokémon is not all about it, it has a background story behind it. That being said, it makes perfect sense that Game Freak introduces new baby pokémon. I’d love to see babies for the following pokémon:
-Murkrow
-Misdreavus
-Mawile
-One for both Miltank and Taurus
-Heracross
-Pinsir
-Absol
-Lickitung
-Heatmor
-Durant
-One for both Lunatone and Solrock
-Sneasel
I bet a baby Absol would be quite cute!
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I love the idea for Solrock and Lunatone. Also, Lickitung is in dire need on a pre-evo. It is the perfect candidate
Solrock and Lunatone are genderless, baby forms for them are out of question. If you don’t believe me, just look at Porygon.
They can just make a genderless baby
Hm, I think that a good baby form to create would be a shared pre-evolution for Tauros and Miltank. It could be pink with little tufts of brown, fuzzy hair, and the males could have little horns while the females merely have studs of horns. I think something like that would really re-vitalize the now-old idea of Baby Pokémon. As for more conventional Babies, the best one I can think of would be Tropius; I’m not sure it could use a regular evolution, but a pre-evolution seems like a pretty good fit for such a large monster.
If Tropius got a regular evolution, it would be too much of a monster, I agree.A mega-evolution on the other hand…
rhydon, magmar, scyther, porygon2 and electabuzz were all monsters with higher stats than tropius. so tropius should get one too
I mostly meant aesthetically. Don’t get me wrong, I think a Tropius evolution would be beyond bad ass, but it already is kind of enormous. I think an evolution would just look too big, and if they aren’t going to increase the size, then they would just be adding details and characteristics, which sounds like a mega-evolution to me.
I didn’t mean to say I don’t like Tropius or it doesn’t deserve an evolution, just that it would be unlike GameFreak to do so and it would be very different from the Pokemon we have. 🙂
Side note, I laughed out loud at the comparison of “monster” and Porygon2. I meant big beast of a pokemon by monster haha
my bad 😛 but it’s base stat is just not high enough and a baby form would be a no-brainer but onix is massive and still evolved too
and lol, by monster i thought you meant the poke being strong already with a high base stat haha
On the footage of horde encounters, a miltank appears with Tauros and i doubt that was a random thing or error GF did. Maybe that means, Tauros and Miltank are related somehow and what best way to link them than with a pre evo 😀
I’ve come a bit late to this conversation but this is the only pre-evo I really care about (wouldn’t mind others if they did them though)- I would be so happy if there was a shared pre-evo for Tauros and Milktank, it just makes so much sense! And Blue, I noticed that too, and it got my hopes up 🙂
Uh, I guess my favorite one is probably Mantyke just because I really like Mantine. I’ve also found baby pokemon really meh though.
I don’t think the point of Baby Pokemon were for battles… so i really don’t see the point of discussing them in that context. Introducing Baby Pokemon helped to make for a more immerse world adding yet more parallels to our own. It makes complete sense that Pokemon (the equivalent to our animals) would (like animals) have younger versions of themselves. I personally think all that have yet to gain a full 3 stage evolution chain could receive one. I mean really they are not so much baby pokemon as they are basic stage pokemon like caterpie… i mean had metapod and butterfree been introduced in gen 1 and caterpie in gen 2 would caterpie have been considered a “baby” pokemon?
Personally i think every pokemon family should have a 3 stage evolution chain and those that dont will eventually gain one either through adding evolutions or pre-evolutions.
Examples of both i would give:
Rattata- Raticate- Evolution (i think in this case an evolution is more likely and needed more that a pre-evolution as rattata serves well as a basic stage pokemon.)
Pre evolution- Lickitung- Lickilicky (in this case lickitung recieved an evolution in gen 4 but i think lickitung’s size and base stats serve more as a stage 1 pokemon meaning that a basic stage for the line would make sense in regards to having a full 3 stage evolution change and make more sense than an evolution.)
Um.. Metapod and Butterfree, not Kakuna and Butterfree… but I like you’re point
O_O im going to go crawl into a ditch somewhere and hide myself from the world for my shameful mistakes..
We all make mistakes haha. I got in an arguement with a friend once because I thought Alomomola was a Luvdisc evo (which it should be)
it so should! Finding out it wasnt was one of the most wtf moments ive had when it comes to pokemon.
dont baby pokemon help out with the stats and all that? cause when a pokemon evolves to a higher form it gains a stat boost from what ive seen, so adding a baby pokemon to a non evolving pokemon or a 1 stage evolution family can help boost the overall stats of the final evolution in the long run.
There’s no bonus. The ‘stat boost’ from evolving comes from the Pokemon taking on the stats of the evolved form, but it doesn’t get a boost from evolution itself. So Budew→Roselia→Roserade will be the same as Roselia→Roserade.
Question. Does evolving a pokemon at a later level affect it’s stats? Like if I evolved an Eevee into an Umbreon at lv. 20 and an Eevee into and Umbreon at lv. 40, would the 20 have better stats at lv. 100?
Actually, no. This is because the formula used to determine the stats of a Pokémon involves the level, base stats, EVs, IVs, and the Nature. If those two hypothetical Umbreon have the same IVs, EVs, and Nature, they will have exactly the same stats at the same level, regardless of the level at which they evolved.
Thanks 🙂 I was told at a young age that if you waited to evolve it wouldn’t be as good, but then I learned a year or two ago about the formula and have been confused ever since
I think it would be great if the baby Pokemon learned moves that were different and desirable so people would want to get them first. But unfortunately there are few moves that are actually ‘baby-exclusive’ and aren’t really worth it. Like give igglybuff a move like perish song, and azurill water spout all at level 50 or something.
Besides that I guess it’s good for the continuity since babies make sense biologically speaking and I would like one for druddigon, tropius, bouffalant, onix and skarmory.
I know they were released the same gen as their evolutions (and so don’t need incenses), but riolu and togepi both can’t breed so are technically baby pokemon and are also my favourites.
A Skarmory one would make sense also from the angle of matching up counterparts, as Mantine is essentially a counterpart to Skarmory *version exclusives, Skarmory being more physically and defensive oriented, with Mantine being special.*
I never really liked baby pokemon; they never added anything to competitive play (apart from some unique moved, which usually weren’t all that special) as most of them are too weak to even Eviolite properly. Going on a purely design perspective,
I think tropius looks like a good candidate for a Pre-evo, if only because it looks like an adult pokemon.
I’d have to say my favourite is Wynaut because….WYNAUT?
*buh dum tss*
Don’t Baby Pokémon give more room for EV training and carrying and eviolite? I never really knew. Always liked them though. Any ups about them though?
I like baby Pokémon. I think they show a way of baby growing up to be an adult. You’re not born a teenager, you’re born a baby. It’s like thinking of Electabuzz as a child. Doesn’t look so childlike, does it? I think that’s why they made Elekid, so that there would be a child form of a Pokémon that didn’t look like it could be a baby, and it could grow to its full potential as Electivire. Also, GF could’ve just wanted to show the growth of Pokémon through the course of its lifetime.
My favorite baby Pokémon are Togepi, Riolu, Munchlax, Pichu, and Mantyke (it’s too hard to choose one)
As for which Pokémon deserve (or in this case need) a baby are Steelix and Lapras. To me, it doesn’t look like Onix could be a baby.
Elekid is my favorite baby Pokemon! Yet, I don’t think it was a waste! I enjoyed seeing how Pokemon looked as a “child”. It was a fun process! 😀
I like baby Pokemon because they show the growth from little sprout to a full grown monster. Gible and Elekid are both babies and they literally didn’t look like a threat to me at all, especially derpy Gible. But then later on in the games I met a Garchomp (Cynthia) and a Electivire (Volkner) that really put my team to the test. To think those two little bastards evolved into things that made me re-think my entire strategy.
Plus think about it in a rl perspective, people like A-Rod and Big Ben were both babies and then look at them now?
I can’t be the only person thinking that Kangaskhan needs a baby form, right? Come on gamefreak!
It does! I think the Mega Kangaskhan Baby should be the “baby form”. It will be great! 😀