Hey Pokejunglers!
A while back we got a rumor that our little friend Yanappu would have a water, grass, fire trio and this picture just surfaced on 2ch and pretty much makes it true. (that is if it’s real) As you can see in the picture, you see Yanappu on the left and you see it’s water “twin” called Hiyappu. You can’t see it’s sprite, but the name Baoppu is one of the names above the HP gauge, so we’re assuming that it’s the fire one. We know the picture is extremly blurry and we can’t positvley say that the names are accurate, but we’re just going to have to trust the 2ch poster who posted the images and information for now. Also, if you notice the head is slightly different, so there will be a slightly different look for each of the tripley’s similar to Wormadam. (tripley’s=combination of triplet and monkey ><)
A few posts ago we also mentioned the possibility of Dento being in trio as well and that the red-haired trainer would have a fire type and the blue-haired trainer would have a water type. We allready know that Dento will have Yanappu so there is a very high chance that if this is real, that the other two trainers will own Hiyappu and Baoppu. Looks like Yanappu and Co. will be the triple battle gimic Pokemon, similar as how Minun and Plusle were the double battle gimic Pokemon.
So do you like the Yanappu trio? Which one do you want the most? I personally want them all, but for now I’ll catch a Hiyappu and have a good water type to put in my party. Not to mention that Hiyappu’s cuteness will make up for the possible Mijumaru final evo. ^^;
UPD: Just found this picture on 4ch, I previously said the picture could possibly be real, but upon further inspection the text above the HP gauge says “Mijumaru”, the HP should be 150 for a Pokabu evo at level 50 not 137 and it kinda looks like the other Pokemon’s HP gauge says “Yanappu” above it. So it’s a defininte fake. :/ Allthough because this is fake, it does give the starter evos a higher chance of also being fake as well. Also, PokeExperto in the background..same website that posted the starter evos….a bit fishy :/ (If you found this, congrats! comment saying you found it!!)
UPD2: So, Kriffix and I were discussing the origins of the names for Baoppu and Hiyappu, and we came up with “Hi”=fire so Hiyappu being the fire monkey makes total sense. But, when trying to figure out Baoppu’s origin’s we couldn’t think of anything at all. So looking closer at the picture we noticed that on the bottom line you can clearly see a “Ya”(ヤ) in the second character spot, you can compare the shape of the blurry-ness to the “Ya” in Yanappu, which is the middle name. And with where the tripley’s are situated, if the fire monkey is indeed Hiyappu, then it should be at the top not at the bottom. You can also clearly see the “O”(オ) in Baoppu on the top line, where if it is the water monkey it should be at the botom. There’s also this thing that came into our research about certain trees called the Boabob and the Hyacinth which I won’t get into that much as neither Kriff or I know that much about trees. What’s more is that the possibility of the “Yana” in Yanappu being from “yanagi”, meaning willow, has been brought up in the past. Basically in summary, we believe that the 2ch poster might’ve switched that two names accidently and that the fire monkey might actually be “Baoppu” and the water monkey might actually be “Hiyappu”. 🙂
UPD3: Added a clearer pictures. The names are confirmed.
UPD4: Kriff and I were right. 🙂 The other major sites got the names mixed up. Hiyappu=The blue monkey, and Baoppu=The unseen possible fire/red monkey.
peace and love– ozymandis
P.S. The starter evos keep going back and forth on whether or not they are real. As of right now people have been saying that those evos WILL BE the actual evos and there have been many “trusted” sources saying they are, but there is still the very,very slim chance that they’re fake. When we find out for sure, we will definetly post about it.
P.S.S Less than two weeks until Black and White come out!! 😀
lol is it me or did anyone else catch that on the fake pic of pokebu evo theres a tv wit Spanish on it lol i found that funny
It’s a spanish pokemon site called Pokexperto.com
i kno im just sayin why would someone have black and white already in there house with a spanish television
oh oh i get what your saying now mybad it looked like television but still why would someone in japan be on a spanish website!
The guy in this screenshot who is spanish and runs Pokexperto is not in Japan. Melkor is claiming that he has Pokemon Black/White with this screenshot even though it’s been proven to be fake.
Correction: Pokexpert.net
*facepalm* Pokexperto.net
lol but wow i cant believe Melkor tried to past it off as a real it looks horrible and not hard to tell that its a fake
I’m crying on the inside for my poor mijumaru that evo is HIDEOUS!!!! T~T
Go back one page and find a certain post by John. They’re fake.
Pokexperto has also said on Twitter and on his website, “The total number of Pokémon after B/W are released will be 649. Isshu PokéDex will reach 155 (counting Victini as 000).”
If this is in fact true, then ****. I’m happy for all the new Pokemon, but they couldn’t have made it 156 in order to reach 650? My OCD is NOT HAPPY!
He’s most likely just saying crap so that people will believe he has the game. Same with the fake evos and the fake backsprite of Pokabu’s evo named ‘mijumaru’
155 is a lot, we never had such a huge amount of new Pokemon. As I know biggest Pokedex was Kanto with 151
also that other fakemon looks like theres a stuffed animal playing the ds its on
ha anyone else notice that??
it also looks like a combination of varies pokes
i thought it was a cat. ><
Now that I think about it, if Melkor does indeed have Black/White, why isn’t he documenting all the new Pokemon he sees? I think that he’d post any new Pokemon he find on his website first.
How would Melkor get Black / White in the first place?
that’s exactly the point. xD
out of any website it’d probaby be serebii that would somehow get a demo or game before hand,but even then, idk why they WOULD give i to anybody. ==’
it’s a whole conspiracy thingy. :S
If the finals are real I’m guessing this is how it’s gonna go, Grass/Psychic, Fire/Dark, Water/Fighting.
Sorry if someone already mentioned this.
pokexperto claims that the pokabu line is fire/fighting, and the others starters are pure lines
If these finals are real, than there’s no way in hell that thing in Wotter’s line will be water/fighting.
But they’re not real, so it’s fine.
i dnt think they real i mean look at the designs of pokabu and alleged evolutions pokabu has a yellow marking on his nose yet when he evolved its gone im pretty sure the marking would follow to its later forms
1. It’s “baobab”
2. Hyacinth isn’t a tree
3. I found your little secret 😀
ahaha sorry, like i said i don’t know anything baout trees….err..plants. xD
and good job on findin’ it! 😀
i don’t think that many other people did. ==’
from now on i’ll do my best to hide a secret message in any post i post so keep on searchin’! 😀
Does anybody know why the pics of the “Starter Evo’s” are surrounder by Paper/Cardboard?
To cover up pictures of other pokes around them perhaps?
it looks like they was draw on the carboard and then colored in with markers
No, no it doesn’t. There’s being in denial, and then there’s just being plain silly. Whether you like them or not, these have clearly been well designed and thought out, not just scribbled on in markers. Some shading may be incomplete, but we don’t know at which stage of finalisation these pictures were taken.
If the art is on animation frames as many suspect, it’s likely to minimise reflection of the flash, which can put a blot on the photograph, and cause loss of detail.
i highly doubt that as the person who made the fakemon starters came out and said he made these
pokémon Infogames and pokéxperto pages are the most famous pokémon in Spain, maybe it’s because the resident who made the photograph is Spanish but lives in Japan?
the links of the pages:
http://pokemonbwinfogames.mforos.com/
http://www.pokexperto.net/
That first link… I hate sites that watermark their images. I mean if you get an exclusive image, sure, watermark it. But if its an image available anywhere why would you degrade the quality of it for your visitors? 😐
@Dan,
That makes since, butif there was more, why not just show them all?
Some things aren’t adding up here.
Why would a water monkey have an exact copy of the ‘tree’ part of Yannupu’s head, but blue?
Makes no sense, fairly sure it’s fake :).
If you look closely, you’ll see its head is more tear-drop shaped, and its blue colouring extends further than the green does on Yanappu. I’m not entirely convinced either, but the concept itself is sound.
I didn’t notice that. Thanks!
Maybe the thing on it’s head isn’t a tree… But a symbol… So the water type would have a Water Symbol…
I guess they waited this long to show the starters because they wanted people to buy it before it sucked :'(…
R.I.P Mijumaru
Everstones exist for reasons other than breeding you know… ¬_¬
Found it!
And I sincerely hope the starter evolutions are fake. Would they REALLY have another fire/fighting type?
NO. I REFUSE to let those starter evolution be real. ESPECIALLY MIJU’S FINAL FORM. >:C
.|KJ
Damn, I always miss the good stuff.
I think I’ll wait and see what turns out on pokemon sunday.
it’s interesting to know that the source for serebii wasn’t pokexperto though…
THE STARTES EVO’S ARE ALL PHOTOSHOPPED!!!
MYTH BUSTED!
http://www.errorlevelanalysis.com/permalink/2b28a9f/
Thank you! Now i have purpose to buy the game 😀
You do realise people regularly photoshop photos for clarity and definition right? It doesn’t mean they are a complete fabrication.
Also, Jelly, stop being melodramatic. If you dislike the starter evolutions, everstones are there for a reason. I played Gold and Sapphire without evolving my starter past the mid level, and had no trouble. I’m sure you’ll enjoy the game, regardless of how you evolve your starter.
i think its kinda of funny how these pokemon are under forensic investigation XD I hope theyre fake though !!! :O
Watch it DarkYami. Why wud you everstone your starter that severly cuts its stats making it a difficult thing for the elite four. You wud want the starter to evelove to have good stats
Found it but I guess a lot of people read the hidden lines xD
Hmmm I like the Fire boar… also a little bit with Grass snake… but the water… what has happened to sweet Miju o.O
LOVE THE THREE MONKEYS!! I hope SOO freaky much that that one´s not going to end being fake T.T !!
OMG that otter evo is clearly fake! i mean the 2nd stage got nothing in common with the basic and first stages!
in pokémon Infogames say there are a total of 156 new pokemon. That means that a total of 649 pokemon in national dex
first post: http://pokemonbwinfogames.mforos.com/
also those who register will have a surprise this evening ….
can’t wait to see whats going to happen next, someones registered right? I’m ashamed I’m in a spanish class but can’t really read most of itDX
where does it say there’s a surprise for those who register? I only saw it said they would reveal the starters on pokemon sunday tonight
why would pokemon sunday reveal the starter evo’s before they release the game? that ruins all the excitement, and thats never even happened and will never happen.
Apparently my other comment got deleted so here let me put out a fully detailed one and see what happens.
Reasons the starter evo portrayed in this screenshot are fake:
a] Low HP, compared to Mijumaru–even if it’s supposed to have low HP, and Mijumaru’s supposed to have high HP, an 8 HP difference over 8 levels and two stages is a tiny difference.
b] ITS NAMED MIJUMARU IN THE SCREENSHOT COME ON NOW.
c] The DS screen doesn’t properly reflect its surroundings. In other words, the computer doesn’t luminate the DS at all.
d] The photoshop test above shows that the pokemon were photoshopped onto the paper display after the picture of the paper display was taken. (thanks kalishnakov http://www.errorlevelanalysis.com/permalink/2b28a9f/ )
e] Ever tried taking a picture of your DS screen before? It’s not going to come out like that. You need to contrast it with the background (made impossible by the foreground animal and computer screen) or it becomes undiscernable.
f] On that note, it’s blurred evenly across the whole screen. Perspective would cause the farthest side to be blurred a bit more, and the nearest side to be clearer.
As for the monkey trio–the poster’s confusion of pokemon locations. Plus, I think they’d try and show all three in promotional material (from the other side of battle, that is) as they have in the past. This isn’t pure proof, but I’m just going to disregard them, for now.
about the monkey’s I would disagree. If they were going to show it for promotional matter, why would they make that karate judo pokemon thing hide it’s face with a smiley face?
And there not from a poster, there from the back of the dummy package of the game.
I don’t mean poster as in a piece of paper, I mean poster as in “the 2ch poster might’ve switched that two names accidently.” I can understand the confusing context I guess.
I’m not exactly sure what you mean about the smiley face part, are you thinking that it’s part of that musical commercial? There’s really no proof of that, and the pokemon was far to obscured to be able to say this is legitimately ‘that smiley face one.’
Also, the back part of a game can be considered promotional. Any form of media that tries to sell a game is promotional o_o ; . But again, I’m not saying FOR SURE the monkeys are fake, I just don’t believe what I’m seeing and I’ll need further proof.
2ch poster? I said the monkey one wasn’t a poster, but the back of the game.
I meant “if this can be considered fake because it doesn’t show all the monkeys and make it a not-so-good promotional picture, then the smiley face mask wearing pokemon could have been fake as well”
I don’t know what I’m trying to say. I geuss I’m being stupid.
Commercial? it was from the japanese nintendo’s pokemon page. If your saying it can’t be considered a new pokemon, well you are right. but There aren’t any other pokemon that have feet and hands like that. if Judo suit thing it came with hands and the feet(it would be weird) ,Then I geuss I can’t say.
I was quoting ozy there. A poster is someone who posts information, much like we’re posting comments right now. The monkeys were ‘posted’ by a ‘poster’ on 2chan, as it says in the news post.
And a commercial doesn’t have to be aired on TV to be a commercial.
These technicalities behind us, the pokemon in that commercial is certainly a new pokemon–but it was there to create hype. Here, where they’ve already revealed the pokemon, they would normally want to show them all. Witholding part of the image makes it somewhat inaesthetic, especially if it’s on the back of the box, as you say. It leads them to be suspicious.
(I thought you were saying that the commercial one is the same as the one in the fake screenshot with the starter. Which you’re not. My bad.)
woops, my bad on that part. thought it was like a picture poster.
I know that, it’s just that their is a musical t.v. commercial which got me mixed up, sorry again.
well, yes, it would be suspicious, but I just wanted to tell you it wasn’t a poster(which I thought was like a poster like you put on a wall,) and used the smiley whatever as an example. sorry for all the misunderstandings and stuff.
ps my comment didn’t get deleted, i am just silly and missed the ‘older comments’ link >///< " .
They know the DS screen picture is fake. Hence why it says so. They just left the picture up.
The starter art from the pictures earlier in the week, however, are more than likely real. Not all photoshopping is done for fraudulent or underhand reasons.
until you take a look at the picture and realize they don’t look ‘touched up’ at all. they appear to be intentionally bad-quality, which is proof against the ‘they just wanted to show off the pokemon by making them contrast in photoshop’ theory. also, in the older comments section, i argued against just the image. also, prof w. does a good job explaining the picture’s illegitimacy, too.
Why does everyone keep acting like the screenshot and artwork is related? The artwork was revealed a couple days ago, that is good enough time for someone to come up with a fake screenshot. I agree that the screenshot is fake (which it is obviously), but for the artwork I can only say time will tell.
this is true, and they probably /are/ done by different people. but as the Prof. W. states, along with some of the things i mentioned in the older comment section, the art is also a fake.
Okay, we all know Serebii is saying that these are legit. BUT THEY’RE NOT. Me and other members of the chat (Nekusariba, RiftSilver, Nannerboy, Daigo, John) all found enough evidence to nearly confirm they are fake.
1.) Ruined evolution patterns- Many things that were building up through evolution are lost in the final evos. (Smugleaf’s leaf, Wotter’s shell, etc.)
2.) Lost color- Wotter lost a main shade- white. This has never happened.
3.) Unreliable source- The source appears to be unheard of and unreliable
4.) Fire/Fighting- This has been done twice before. I doubt they’d do it again.
5.) Creator- He addmitted they were fake twice.
6.) DS photo- The photo shown on the DS was confirmed fake. This may have been a ploy to make the images more believeable.
7.) Actions- Wotter is shown to be very ninja-like on the anime and in the design. It loses this upon it’s 2nd evolution. Same with Pokabu, who seems adapted to being on all fours.
Well, this is all we found. With this much evidence, I can assure you that they are not legit.
~Prof. W.
I hope you’re right
It all makes sense now, I knew those starter evolutions are going to be fake!
me too. (:
Lets tackle each of these points in turn shall we?
1) The shells and leaves are still there. Check the legs and tail-tip respectively. The one thing that -could- be argued is Pokabu’s tail, but that appears to follow a bomb pattern of: bomb, to smoking fuse, to explosion.
2) Grovyle lost the lime green of Treeko if I remember rightly, and then lost its darker shades upon becoming Sceptile. Most of the pale orange of Combusken was lost as it became Blaziken. The pale brown of Grotle was replaced by a darker brown when it evolved into Torterra. The change of colour scheme means nothing.
3) Much of 2Chan is unheard of and unreliable. It’s an anonymous site. It -has- however been backed and distributed by many sites known for their discretion and/or their news gathering ability.
4) This bit is pretty much unconfirmed. We have 1 sites word for it with other sites which support the art not listing it as truth. This counts towards false typing, but not false pictures.
5) A ‘creator'(and I use the term loosely) you seem all too willing to believe telling the truth, despite being just as ‘unheard of and unreliable’ as the original source. And with the name ‘KeepOnTrolling’, yet it fails to stir any thought of doubt in you? I sense wishful thinking. He provided no proof that he fabricated the pictures. He just reposted the pictures, in an uncropped form seen on many sites.
6) That is completely unrelated to the legitimacy of these starter designs, regardless of where it came from. I wouldn’t be surprised if it was an obvious fake purely to induce this reaction, and troll you for if/when you find out the starters are real.
7) And? Ash’s Charmander was a lovely cheery chappy when he first got him, then he became increasingly bad tempered as he evolved. Ralts appears to be a perfectly calm and serene creature, yet can become a karate-chopping warrior simply by holding a stone. Slowpoke are notoriously dumb, yet Slowking is seen as one of the smartest pokemon. Numerous bug pokemon and Larvitar live with 2 or more feet, only to have them taken away upon evolution, and yet adapt perfectly well. Behaviour and tendencies of a pokemon – especially an anime pokemon,where they have a personality independent of the games or any other media, and where their evolution is never guaranteed – cannot be used as a basis to dismiss their evolutions.
Yami, you need to accept that they are fake. You have lost. This is the truth. Pokemon like the bugs you mentioned are intended to change via metamorphosis. And lime green and green are related, similar. Besides, you remember wrong anyways :P. We have made tests (look up a bit) to show that they *have* been photoshop and the creator provided proof. Either way, these are almost guaranteed fake. Case closed.
i agree with prof. w. you kinda named in the 7) pokemon that undergo metamorphosis larvitar and bug pokemon are pokemon that under metamorphosis basically like cocoons thats unrelated to what has to do with the designs of these fakemon
when theres evidence that proves there fake its fake dude sorry man
The created provided no such proof. I saw the posts. They were the same pictures seem many different places on the web.
As for the photoshop tests… Yes, they’ve been photoshopped. So? That doesn’t mean they were fabricated, it means they been processed, possibly to allow better clarity, definition, or to reformat them for easier uploading. You can’t prove that the pokemon were not in the original pictures.
I will concede on the bug thing, but, again, Larvitar copes with losing its legs, so should Tsutarja. Bagon changes to standing on all fours and manages, so should Mijumaru. Mudkip even tried out being bipedal, and went back to being quadrupedal on its final form. Pokemon adapt to their new forms with considerable ease, and you can’t say its fake or otherwise by a change in body structure. To use the now oh-so-infamous example, Remoraid loses all its known swimming capabilities upon becoming Octillery, and must learn both how to swim by tentacle contraction, AND manoeuvre on land with legs, and is capable of doing so instantaneously. You cannot use difference in movement processes as reasons against an evolutionary line in Pokemon.
Ok i see that you like these starter evos alot i think miju evos look cool its just it doesnt add up
1) when have you ever in the history of leaks of info ever saw a picture of the pokemon drawn on boxes i mean come on
2) if they werent fake why didnt we get a some kind of source by now its been its been 3days since they was shown on 2ch
3) back to the feature thing theres distortion on the last form of miju im pretty sure the guys at GameFreak wouldnt have that even in a picture undergoing processing
4) larvitar second evo is considered a cocoon for when it does evo to tyrannatar (BTW what does this have anything to do with distortion and bad drawings and unrelated evolutions to go from white to a blue to a dark blue thats ridiculous)
5) its been shown on videos that its not hard to create pokemon have you not seen the fake tsutajaa and mijumaru evolving into there second form it looked just like those pictures
You saying the evidence is proving they real out weigh the the evidence against it i dnt see the positives anywhere.
You fail to realise this- you’re proof is not reliable enough. You’re making out small details and hoping for them to be real. Our evidence proves it. Btw- Serebii’s claims are the only reason people believe them. In fact it’s all a conspiracy. This is my conspiracy theory-
People know Serebii has insider info. He revealed specific info on Kurumiru before it was released. He removed it soon after. He likely stated that they were real in order to cover it up, make people believe he doesn’t have insider info. He even says “there is a slim chance that they aren’t real.” He does this because a.) he doesn’t want to look like an idiot b.) he doesn’t trust his cources c.) both a.) and b.).
Face it. They. Are. Fake.
~Prof. W.
Prof. W. i believe this theory as i recall when the english names of the 4th gen pokemon names was leaked on Gamefaqs.com Forum
Serebii Joe was upset and said he wanted to reveal the names one by one each day i never put my hopes on serebii as they been very wrong before
Listen–it’s true that they adapt to new forms.
But these “new forms” lose their trademark features. You say they don’t, so let me clarrify exactly what they lose:
Tsutarja builds up to become more ivy-like. His stage two evolution is covered in leaves and grass. Bipedalism is given an emphasis, and while he might lose these walking legs, the leaves will still remain SOMEWHERE on the evolution [otherwise there was no point in putting them there in the first place]. The final evolution makes the tail leaves smaller by combining them with the back leaves, and completely takes away from the leaf build-up. It’s a snake with a weird tail…hardly what you’d expect from tsutarja’s evo. What’s more, the pokemon designers emphasized that tsutarja’s tail is one three-pronged leaf. The final evo splits it into three three-pronged leaves, and once again, gets rid of the other leaves. And while the ivy-like markings are cool, there’s no previous indication that tsutarja’s going that way. Again, I think they’re going for a different snake look than the other numerous snake pokemon (Ekans, Seviper, Arbok)–something the third evo doesn’t do.
Actually I’m too lazy to discuss the other ones. Esp Mijumaru plx. Basically removable shell swords are important and they get lost in the final evo in some weird unicorn transition. Pokabu’s evos are believable, altho the final evo’s details are a suspicious style break, but it is a new gen. However, they’re coupled with two clear fakes, so they must be fake as well. I’m tired and will take a nap v_v .
PS Retouching an image would change the whole image and not just the pokemon. The whole image would look the same if it was evenly retouched. It’s not. The pokemon were clearly shopped on. Game over.
Thanks for support!
I wonder if the final Miju evo was supposed to be some kind of demented narwal.
Actually, I’m rather indifferent to all of them bar Tsutarja’s final evolution. I don’t particularly like any of the mid-evolutions in their current state, and although I think the design for Miju’s final form is rather beautiful, I believe it would fit better outside the evolutionary line. But nevertheless, I’m not going to ignore the high chances that they are real.
1) Eeerrrm, they’re -not- drawn on boxes? The general consensus is that they are on animation frames, or similar cellophane plates. Hence the need for the paper surrounding them, to prevent glare from the reflected flash of the camera.
2) I think it’s fairly clear from the way they appeared there is no ‘source’ as we usually expect it, such as a magazine or television show. And even if we did get a source, how would anyone believe the person providing the source when 2chan is anonymous? It’s impossible for us even to be certain of the true origins of these pieces of art. If it came from a developments room, or some such, in an office, how would you expect them to prove their source? Take pictures of the office?
3) I see no such distortion. It looks perfectly clear to me. Or as clear as it would do on a photo taken from that distance.
4) Yes, but it still moves, and need to know how to move in that form, which it does. And you just found your own sequence in the evolutionary line, a sequence of darkening blues. And the white as a colour doesn’t disappear, it just goes into the whiskers. Fur colour changes happen all the time. Look at Vulpix to Ninetales.
5) Yes, it did strike me as odd that the poses of the Miju and Tsuta mid-evos are in the exact same pose as in the beat art sheet. Hence why I suggested these may have come from a stage of development, which also could explain incomplete shading.
I see some reason for doubt, but I see no clear-cut evidence for them to be of a fraudulent nature. And the doubts are greatly diminished when I have the word of one of the most respected pokemon news reporters in support of them.
if its real im pretty sure A LOT of people will feel really stupid, but the evidence presented seems very convincing that they are fake, but u never know they really could be real. maybe a group of poke bloggers are playing the biggest poke prank on us and apparently its working. only time will tell ^_^ hope they’re fake !!!
I thought the other monkey was just a different form of Yanappu at first. Huh.
Those monkeys might not be fire and water typed though.
So, take what you will of it, but Melkor has announced what he’s positive what he’s positive the number of Pokemon in the national and regional dexes are: twitter.com/pokexperto/status/22991998905
I mean I’m against all of these recent reveals through undisclosed sources myself, but it’s up to you to decide what to believe and what not to believe..