DISCLAIMER: Rumors are not confirmed information, should not be thought of to be confirmed information and should not be shared as confirmed information. These are for discussion purposes.

With less than four weeks until the official release of Pokémon Ultra Sun and Ultra Moon, the rumor mill has been cranking out some interesting information as of late. While I don’t normally cover rumors that appear on 4chan because of the inability to verify anything about them, today’s bit of hearsay is allegedly (that means NOT CONFIRMED, as with everything in a RUMOR post) from the Chinese Riddler who leaked quite a bit of accurate—if not obtuse—information about Pokémon Sun & Moon.

You may have noticed that the ‘Riddler’ has been mostly inactive, but they have apparently been warned by company officials not to disclose information and have only revealed things via personal accounts to close friends.

There’s no way to verify that these conclusively came from them because they were, apparently, quickly deleted, but Chinese social media has been buzzing about the English translation that was posted on 4chan.

  • A “returning” Team will take over the Aether Paradise and steal Lillie’s Cosmog/Cosmoem
  • In order to secure the building more executives and team members will be brought in (possibly from another dimension) as you progress
  • Molayne, a former Trial Captain and engineer of Alola’s PC network, will join the Elite 4
  • A new building similar to the past Battle Frontier will be available and will incorporate renting you friends’ teams, possibly similar to current QR system
  • Generation I Grass/Poison-type Pokémon will get a new Alolan Form; this is suspected to be Oddish

You can watch PokéSirena’s video on YouTube and listen to her thoughts as well (thanks for the tip!). She has been working with us to cover and translate Chinese leaks for over a year now.

Take these with a massive spoonful of salt and discuss responsibly! Thoughts?!

 

 

  • PJ

    I miss the days when we did just post 4chan rumors tbh. Ah, to be naive and young again.

    • ShinyXatu

      I’ll never forget the starter evolution leaks, I still don’t understand how that was even possible. I think you were pretty confident in those like I was!

      • PJ

        As soon as I saw Popplio’s final evo I thought it must be real… anyone trying to fake wouldn’t design such a controversial Pokémon. I saw it was 100% TrollFreak to the core

        • It’s sad that Primarina is considered controversial just because it’s a highly feminine starter

          • Vlad

            I think it was only controversial/unbelievable at first because poplio is so not feminine. Meganium and Delphox are both fem and no one was shocked about that

      • Josh Omega

        I am sti in shock at how early they leaked out lol it anything it gave them time to grow on me in particular incineroar

  • ShinyXatu

    The returning team has to be either Rocket or Galactic. Can’t really say which yet. All of that sounds very plausible though…and exciting! I just hope we get more than one new Alolan form.

    • Funny Valentine

      Team Plasma taking over the Aether Paradise and taking Nebby (should have stayed in the bag smh) would actually make sense based on their beliefs.

      • ShinyXatu

        You’re totally right! It’s actually more likely because Colress makes a cameo appearance in Sun and Moon.

        • UnburdenedLegume

          Colress was never a member of Plasma though. They hired him to experiment on Genesect

          • Unseelie Fairy

            What? He joined them as a means for his research after Plasma 2 resurfaced and took over N’s role. He’s not related to Genesect at all

    • I hope it’s Galactic. I kept musing that if the next set of remakes were Diamond/Pearl (like getting them instead of USUM) it could be another way to expand all the Ultra Beast stuff we’re getting.

      I’m just kind of not ready for the next Gen. I see UBs, Alolan forms and the Pokemon boss fights getting swept aside too easily.

    • The Spooky Scurry Golurk

      I mean, Cyrus did say he would return after the climax of DPP, so who knows, this could be his return

  • zeldaoreonerd

    The only part of this that leaves me on the fence is the building similar to the battle frontier, simply because of that interview that was released a bit ago about it not being included in ORAS.

    I do love these speculation articles though because they make the weeks leading up to release more exciting!!

  • Josh Omega

    Really hope this is true. I seriously want new alolan forms

  • Lazy terror

    I’m kinda hesitant on new alolan forms, because if they were there they’d have been announced by now, but I’d love an Alolan Vileplume :0

    Also, this thing of renting friends’ team for a new battle facility sounds pretty cool

  • Uhgggg I hate Molayne

    • Ultron

      Better than his brother tho

      • The Spooky Scurry Golurk

        Can’t argue with that

  • >New Alolan forms
    >Oddish

    I mean, I suppose we’re to expect the line itself has Alolan forms, but I was expecting more than one line getting them from the title lol

    A returning team takes over Paradise and takes Nebby? Well then the Aether Paradise raid of SM will be a raid to retrieve Nebby, since trailers have shown that Solgaleo/Lunala fights Necrozma where we would have seen the evolution in the prior game.

    • PJ

      Obviously I could be wrong, but I don’t think we’d just get *1* new family of Alolan Forms. I don’t think Bellsprout line will get, but I do think we might see at least one more if Alolan Oddish is true.

  • EarthenWarrior

    Meh i just don’t see them tacting any more alolans

    in another note, in South Park there’s a gigantic cluster of easter eggs, including Ash’s Hat and all sorts of tv and cartoon costumes

  • UnburdenedLegume

    Yo they better give Belossom an Alolan form too then. Grass/Fire tiki dancer would be perfect

    • Sunny

      I was thinking the same thing.

  • So, to keep the Mystery Dungeon train going, here’s a stupid question:Have any of you ever written any fanfics? I know a lot of you have ideas, but have you actually put it down on paper or a document? I’ve already said I have, so yeah. Also, this is an interesting rumor. I’d like to see how they’d execute it if it were real

  • Unseelie Fairy

    I don’t really believe it and I think the game would get cramped with four different factions (Aether/URS/Skull/Old Team) but I wouldn’t be annoyed if it was true

  • Sunny

    I was waiting for this article. I was actually poring through other forums when I found this info yesterday. I can honestly say I am quite excited if this happens to be true. However, I don’t know how they would handled it without it being too much of a cluttered mess, but with how well they did with SM and BW I think I have faith in them.

  • MK126

    I definitely hope we get new Alolan forms and if Oddish just so happens to get one I may actually use it depending on what its new typing is. With the possibility of an old villian team returning I could see Galactic being that team or Plasma. Since the Famtisu article that leaked the other day said this game should be twice as long as S/M and has as much extra detail as Emerald/Platnium i could see us getting a new BF and also dealing with 4 teams. That’ll really keep us busy lol

  • EarthenWarrior

    YAHOO DUAL CLASS TIME
    Brutalist/Elementalist

  • Sunny

    It isn’t only the Chinese Riddler who has mentioned the return of an old team along with a mention of more Alola forms. The USUM wishlist rumor has also mentioned the return of old teams-especially Giovanni-and more Alola forms. This unseesming wishlist has so far been correct on the points it has made without any falsehoods and posted the actual names of the games I think about a month before the direct announced them. So I am still looking at these rumors with a grain of salt, but I am quite hopeful.

    • TheUltraMonster6893

      More than a month before the games were announced! The wishlist was from back in March!! Crazy how accurate it has been up to this point. Looking forward to seeing what else it gets right.

      • Sunny

        If it gets new Alola forms right then I will be beyond happy.

    • UnburdenedLegume

      Wouldnt mind Giovanni even though i still think the gen 1 pampering is going too far

      • Sunny

        I think Gen 1 pampering is one of the most consistent aspects of the Pokémon franchise.

        • UnburdenedLegume

          Funny init? Genwunners have all grown up and most of them are practically adults nowadays, yet GF continues to target children with how they develop the games.

    • zess

      Would love if team Galactic made a return! possibly to find a way to get Cyrus out of the distortion world.

      • Sunny

        What if it is Cyrus that is using Necrozma after he escapes from the Distortion World?!

        • zess

          What is Cyrus is wearing prism armor and he’s stealing light to make his ideal world! And because the fusion is forced Necrozoma seems to always be in pain!. I mean it wouldn’t be the first time a UB fused with a person…

  • thekingbrad

    Please let there be new alola forms

    • Sunny

      Same. I am really hoping for an Alola Bellosom line.

  • TheUltraMonster6893

    I REALLY don’t want to get my hopes up…….but the Riddler has proven he knows stuff so maybe this is true? With all this possible new info I think the USUM wishlist rumor has gained even more traction as well. It’s already gotten new UBs and some other stuff right. (Including the initials of USUM) I just don’t want to hurt myself haha. If all this is true then USUM may be one of the best games EVER. Even without these rumors USUM has been shown to be quite fun so with all this on top of what we know for sure this could be great! What a turn for the best. It’s crazy how they revoked people into thinking it wasn’t gonna be a good game (including myself) They really should have hit it harder back in June to make people happier hahaha

  • TheUltraMonster6893

    Oh!!! One more thing. The idea of Pokemon getting Alolan forms even tho they’re split evos is interesting. Really opens up the door a lot. Also the idea of Oddiah getting a form kind of hints that we’ll still get Johto forms as Bellossom would likely it one too. Very interesting indeed!!

    • Sunny

      I am guessing that it will either be Grass/Fire (Hawaiian culture) or Grass/Fairy (it learns some moves that are Fairycentric such as Moonlight and Moonblast). Actually, if it were me I would give an Alola form to both of the split evos. Grass/Fairy Vileplume and Grass/Fire Bellossom.

      • Unseelie Fairy

        Sun based Alolan Bellosom and Moon based Alolan Vileplume

        • Sunny

          I was thinking that immediately after I posted that comment.

      • TheUltraMonster6893

        Yeah I’d be down for those typings

  • Jo935

    It could be Bulbasaur.. I keep forgetting his grass poison.

  • Pikatonic

    The “returning” team is most likely Team Skull. They’ve yet to be formally recognized by any trailers or CoroCoro revealings. We only know of that one scene with Guzma in the new trailer.

    And the Grass/Poison type could be Oddish…or Bellsprout…or Bulbasaur (it was talked about in a former rumor that Bulbasaur’s line was possibly getting Alola Forms in SM, maybe we get them in USUM instead?)

    • Sunny

      I think the Alola Bulbasaur was actually a misunderstanding on our part in the former rumors.

    • Sunny

      I didn’t think I would be. I have been so chill for 4/5ths of this pre-release season. I guess with this last month and the increased amount of info drops I have lost my inhibitions. I guess it is like being stranded in a desert vs being stranded in a desert with an oasis that is just out of reach. One situation would fill me more with a resigned feeling while the other one makes me want to quench my thirst as quickly as possible.

  • Unseelie Fairy

    Leak of Alolan Oddish’s final Evo

    < https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/968f275f219ec3243dbfd2ac594bda3ce172e3c8047806aea48eff48618bd8f5.jpg

    this actually would’ve been relevant if this hadn’t been posted a million times before

  • zess

    Nice. I would love for these to be true but I don’t see oddish or bulbasaur getting Alolan forms simply because they’re already pretty tropical and I don’t really see what living in Alola could do to them or their evolutions. Like oddish manly comes out at night to bask in moonlight and Gloom, Vilploom and Bellosom are all based on tropical plants, so what could in Alola could forced them to change when it’s the ideal environment for them to thrive? Maybe there’s some grass/poison that I’m forgetting that might be a better candidate?

    • Sunny

      There is Bellsprout. And the answer to your question as to what can cause the emergence of this Alola form is an obvious one. Ultra Panckaes.

      • zess

        Yea. but with bellsprout the argument stands the same as with the other tropical plant pokemon. If it is true I hope we don’t get another Alolan Raichu write off.

  • Ultron

    The riddler can kiss my ass

    • UnburdenedLegume

      Still salty he got a lot of things right during the SM leak season? 😛

      • Ultron

        Why would I be salty about that? His “hints” just suck ass and they’re not even riddles.

      • Then he just started making up sh*t as some point

        • Murder Freak

          For example?…

          • Lazy terror

            The toucan thing for example.

            After the toucan shirt was revealed, he placed the toucan as one of the unconfirmed Pkms, but he couldn’t predict that Pikipek would evolve in a toucan and thought it would evolve into something else

          • Even the leakers couldn’t believe pikipek would be ruined

    • TheUltraMonster6893

      I still have no idea why you have a problem with him he clearly has info. He’s just not listing it out like every other leak. It’s a way to help keep himself safe from the law

      • Ultron

        Well apparently he’s listing it out now. You can leak things and do it in a better way than he originally did

        • TheUltraMonster6893

          I still liked how he did it before. You don’t have to like him, but that shouldn’t mean he’s not a valuable source

          • Ultron

            He’s not a valuable source. He gave us nothing concrete because no one got anything from his dumb pictures.

  • DarkySG

    hype for new alolan forms and new pokemon in general, hopefully we get some moreee

    ive been coming up with a lot of fakemon and new ultra beast designs based on video game monsters, heres one im particularly happy with (based off panthereye from half life) ^w^

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/b1b2812d9615fb8c5bf0ff0523577f3fe8f4c89c8c79f76a41399a4f1cc76d6c.png

  • Sunny

    I need opinions on this conundrum that I am faced with. I have been thinking, if they reveal new Alola forms I will probably want to use them. However I am set on using the starter that I haven’t used yet-Decidueye. I prefer not to have more than 2 Pokémon to share the same type weakness so I don’t want it to limit my choice of Pokémon on my teams. So I have done a standard run with Primarina and a Nuzlocke with Incineroar. I am thinking that maybe I should just restart my Sun nuzlocke and do a standard run with Decidueye before USUM comes out. That way I can choose whatever Starter best fits my team. What does everyone think?

    • MenacingCascoon

      No. Use decidueye and new alola forms. It won’t kill you using two of the same type. Just adds challenge honestly. Plus it may lose the grass typing. You’re thinking too hard into it

  • MenacingCascoon

    I don’t believe it. Just 1 new alola form? Why have even new ones at that point lol.
    Battle Frontier esque building? Puhlease. Its probably battle tower esque like every battle tower esque battle since gen 2
    But I’ll take being wrong any day

    • TheUltraMonster6893

      Who said there was ONLY one new form coming? The rumor is just about a single one. It’s not that they said there would only ever be one more. Gotta read it like this. If Oddish gets one then we’re likely to get more.

  • UnburdenedLegume

    Iwao (donno his first name) told Famitsu that new info regarding USUM (trailers) will be shown before the games’s release, at least thats what Serebii tweeted an hour ago. Am hyped af

    • TheUltraMonster6893

      Yeah, but to be honest I can’t imagine then going to the release without showing Necrozma light form. He could mean that. That said I’m still sure we’re in for one more giant surprise

  • Shady

    I think they need to reveal new info

    • Unseelie Fairy

      We just got a trailer six days ago and a translated one yesterday

    • UnburdenedLegume

      And they will, read Joe Merrick latest tweets

      • Shady

        I hope we have something critical at this

    • Lazy terror

      Uh, don’t you think we already have enough info, they might spoil the whole game if they keep giving us new info every week 😛

      • Murder Freak

        They for sure should keep some stuff unrevealed. My only fear with surprise mons/features is that I’ll find out about them too late into the game.

  • Murder Freak

    The best possible scenario is that we’ll get a Dragon/Fairy Alolan Dragonite (and Maybe some other forms) that gets the last new Z-stone. I know I said that before and I know it’s too good to happen, but… actually there’s no but

    • TheUltraMonster6893

      I’m not sure I’d say that’s the BEST case scenario haha

      • Murder Freak

        What could be better than a Dragon/Fairy Dragonite with a Signature Z-move?

        • Chaos

          Literally any other typing…

        • TheUltraMonster6893

          Idk, but I’m not sure that’s it lol

        • Unseelie Fairy

          Dragon/Water Dragonite and both types of Dragonite get a Mega

    • Chaos

      I hope to god its not Dragon/Fairy.

      Dragon/Water if anything (because of it’s pre evolutions).

      But i don’t think its happening anyway…

      • Murder Freak

        But its prevos are cute, majestic and even magical looking. The eyes, the wings are all Fairy tropes. Dragonite is a good willed cute mon too. Stop being such an Earthen.

        • Unseelie Fairy

          I mean he’s not wrong

          And he’s entitled to his opinion

          • Murder Freak

            I’m not wrong either, it’s Subjective. I’m just showing why I think it makes sense.

          • Unseelie Fairy

            That’s no need to call him ‘an Earthen’ (when even Earthen himself has calmed down a lot lately)

          • Murder Freak

            Okay, you’re right

        • Chaos

          Well considering the Dratini line has always been more closely associated with water than anything, I was thinking the abundance of water around Alola makes them (Dratini and Dragonaire) Pure water type (as they spend more time in the sea), and Dragonite gains the Dragon Typing when it evolves.

          • Chaos

            But as i said it’s not happening anyway…

          • Murder Freak

            I mean, that makes sense too. I just think Dragon/Fairy would make a better mon/form.

        • UnburdenedLegume

          I think the assumption that everything cute is supposed to be Fairy is where things go sideways and people start to argue

      • I really want Dragon Fairy

        It fits dragonair. The only reason people want water is because it’s blue

        • Chaos

          And the fact that they are found in water, seen fighting better while in water in the anime, and the water attacks they learn. but yeah, because they are blue as well…. :p

        • Unseelie Fairy

          ‘Lives in large bodies of water like the sea and lakes. It is said to have the power to change the weather and fly.’

        • UnburdenedLegume

          People only want it to be Fairy because they look like higher beings

    • Unseelie Fairy

      Dragonite is already in the Alola Dex I doubt it’s getting an Alolan

      • Murder Freak

        My hope will never die!
        *Runs Away*

        PS: There aren’t any rules about if mons can’t be in Alolan Dex if they’re getting forms

        • Unseelie Fairy

          I mean

          We’ve seen normal Dragonite is in Alola and is doing well enough

          Alola hasn’t changed enough to warrant a change in Dragonite

          • Murder Freak

            We don’t exactly know how much it changed…

          • Unseelie Fairy

            Look at the map

            Look back at your common sense

            Look at the map again

          • UnburdenedLegume

            If GF wants to make Alolan Dragonite, they will make it. Logic doesn’t hold any power in this case

          • Lazy terror

            It could be another alo raichu case tho

          • Tbf it is an alternate universe.

            But I’d still put more bets on a dragonite regional in gen 8

          • Unseelie Fairy

            I mean I guess but like… There’s still nothing in this universe to kinda justify a major change? The map looks the exact same with add one

      • Prashanth Raghuram

        By that logic there can be NO new Alolan forms cause even pokemon not in the Alolan Dex were doing fine in Alola in S/M when transferred from Bank.

        • Unseelie Fairy

          Darwin rolling out of his grave onto the floor

          • Prashanth Raghuram

            Even across generations of breeding. And isn’t pokemon the last place to look for scientific accuracy? xD

    • I still think Dragon/Water is the more likely and logical one

  • joker901

    Well this matches three points from USUM whishlist, which is by far the most reliable leak among all (it was posted 3 months before USUM announcement with the code name USUM):

    – New pokes, new alola forms, new UBs (last part confirmed)
    – More baddies from old versions return, especially Giovanni
    – Lusamine takes a chill pill (not confirmed but probable)
    – A better battle facility like PWT or battle factory
    – More Z-moves and new forms for Necrozma (confirmed and confirmed)
    – Cut the camera feature (don’t really understand what he is referring at)
    – To be released on 3DS (confirmed)
    – Hau to have better clothing and pull a Blue

    • Sunny

      The “cut the camera feature” is kind of like saying to someone who is dancing a lot to “quit dancing”. The Wishlist is implying that the camera feature is more prominent in these games, which it is so that is also a confirmed item from the wishlist.

    • So many of these are obvious. Are people actually treating this like a leak??

      – We have exactly one new UB
      – Giovanni is a fan favorite
      – Lusamine is looking to be the same judging by the fact that the Nihiligo cutscene happens and that one part in the trailer.
      – Everyone wants this
      – These were incredibly obvious. Especially the Necrozma forms
      – They didn’t cut it. They’re expanding upon it.
      – Too early for Switch
      – HAU HAS THE SAME CLOTHING WE HAVE SEEN HIM

      • Unseelie Fairy

        ‘We have exactly one new UB’

        Burssemblyhesive is the best UB

      • Fedex

        Many things are obvious but not always “predictable” that they will be in the next instalment of the main series games.

        • THEN WHY ARE WE TREATING THIS LIKE A LEAK?

          I can say that gen 8 will be on the Switch and now that’s suddenly a leak?

          • Fedex

            I can’t answer that question as I don’t believe it to be a leak.
            I’m just enjoying the drama it creates

      • I honestly would prefer a place to train and level up than a new BF or any Facility

        I want what ORAS hD

        • Ewww gross

          • Well if I can’t help level up my Pokémon in it I prefer it to just exist for the rest of you… and for me to never touch (I never once went in the Battle Tree)

          • I said that because I thought you meant you want ORAS HD

            On that topic, I don’t see much of a point. Why do you need to level up your Pokémon post game if you don’t have anything to use them in?

          • To get them to the highest level and potential

            And I wish there was an optional level capping function in facilities, like to choose where you want the level to be to fight

            I hate not being able to use my level 70’s with their full stats because they lower the bar to measly lvl.50

        • It cut me off

          What ORAS had, replayable level 60 or 70 trainers

  • Only one problem with the logic here with the Alolan form… Excluding Tangela and Paras… Every Grass type is Grass/Poison!

    And maybe it will be Bellsprout and Oddish and they’ll be exclusives

    • Sunny

      Well I think it is safe to exclude Bulbasaur line. Thus that would only leave us with the Oddish and Bellsprout lines.

    • Murder Freak

      But Oddish evo line is split. I kinda think it’ll be either just Vileplume or Victreebell

  • glund29

    I don’t buy it. I feel like if we were getting new alola forms we would have seen some when they announced the new UBs. Plus, not that the games have amazing plots, but a returning team feels too busy with everything else we have seen. I’d be more likely to believe it for post-game.

    • Murder Freak

      I’m sorry, but is your profile pic a shirtless selfie? No offence, just seems… Odd.

      • belmad

        Why would it be odd if he has sexy body and shares it with whole world to see. I think he’s doing community service.

        • Sunny

          It is odd if it is someone else’s bod and they don’t want it to be shared.

        • Murder Freak

          Idk, it stansd out from other PKJ prof pics. And I probably wouldn’t be complaining if it was a girl.

      • Lazy terror

        Lol it’s just a prof pic, you shouldn’t be too bothered by that 😛

        • Murder Freak

          I’m not bothered, rather surprised by it lol

  • belmad

    I can see Oddish line having Dark typing. Anything can be possible at this point actualy. I don’t like the whole another dimension thing. And everything is getting messy. Sad.

  • Fedex
    • I remember going crazy over the reveal because I totally predicted the Kyurem forms

      • Fedex

        Haha I think we all went crazy when they revealed this teasing map!

    • belmad

      Best fucking games ever. Nothing can compare.

      • Except BW :3

        • belmad

          Yes, both of them. Actually all 4 of them.

      • Fedex

        ???

      • Murder Freak

        I meeeeeaaaaaaan… I liked Sun a bit better than B & B2

    • Lazy terror

      If I were there back then, I’d be excited for route 4 being completed, I hated that route lol

      • Fedex

        Hahaha I wonder why? 😛

        • Lazy terror

          It never looked good to me, nor it was interesting :T

          • Ultron

            Relic castle though is really cool

          • Fedex

            Unovas bridges blew me away!

      • Ultron

        I loved the unova desert!! Best of any Pokémon desert

        • Lazy terror

          Even tho I hate route 4 I have to admit that the desert resort was pretty cool, you could even catch Maractus and Sigilyph :0

    • Ultron

      Miss those days. Pokemon at its peak

      • Unseelie Fairy

        One Gen too late

        • Lazy terror

          Hahaha gen 4 being the peak, you’re so funny :3 :p

        • Ultron

          Gen 4 is definitely my favorite gen though. Gen 5 I think is peak in terms of storytelling and how much they tried to mix up the formula

          • Unseelie Fairy

            It was pretty much the same story beats until the climax tho, whilst I do commend it for changing up it wasn’t as changed as SuMo

      • Fedex

        Me too. The days were hype was so intense, the speculation was something else. Honestly I miss gen 5.
        I wouldn’t mind 10 years from now GF revisiting Unova

    • Unseelie Fairy

      XY hype season was the best hype season imo

      • Ithsme?

        Oh, without a doubt. I’m glad to have been here then, upwards of 10,000 comments per article during the leak season. I’m go away to get a snack and there would be fifty new comments. Best of all is, they actually held substance. I’d go out to dinner with my family or something, and when I’d come back there would be a new pokemon or something. Good times.

    • Ithsme?

      Actually, no.
      As much as I’m ashamed to admit it the days of BW2 were when I went through my “I’m a big boy now, I’m too old and too cool for pokemon” phase. I ended up cracking when I tried out my brother’s copy of White 2.

  • Arcalithe

    Maybe an alolan form for a certain gen 1 dog?

  • Auragar

    Yeah no, this rumor is fake.

  • Murder Freak

    If you had to pick 5 mons that aren’t confirmed not to have alolan forms, to have them, what mons would you choose and what Types would they have?

    • Dragon/Fairy Dragonite

    • Lazy terror

      Vileplume
      Mawile
      Ambipom
      Gliscor
      Parasect

      And I’d let GF decide the typings because they know about this stuff way better than I do

    • Hmm only 5, well

      -Klink Line- Rock type (almost like its a form that has never evolved into the Steel Age of Technology and they are the original version)
      -Pineco and Forretress- Bug/Ground
      -Dragonite- Dragon/Water
      -Sneasel and Weavile- Dark/Water

      I can’t think of one more

    • Unseelie Fairy

      Rhyperior – Ground/Fighting
      Shed its rocky armour in order to become faster to escape threats… Went from fleeing prey to vicious predator

      Girafarig – Dark/Psychic
      Second head developed and they have equal control over the body

      Slurpuff – Poison/Fairy
      Became rancid

      Aromatisse – Poison/Ghost
      True plague doctor

      Sharpedo – Water/Normal
      Whale shark

      • Monkeyfuzz

        The Girafarig sounds like an Evolution, one that I’ve always wanted.

    • Murder Freak

      DRAGONITE DRAGON/FAIRY
      DRAGONITE DRAGON/FAIRY
      DRAGONITE DRAGON/FAIRY
      DRAGONITE DRAGON/FAIRY
      DRAGONITE DRAGON/FAIRY

  • https://www.reddit.com/r/technology/comments/7779es/the_fcc_is_expected_to_announce_a_vote_to_gut_net/

    Don’t forget about Net Neutrality

    If you use the internet (and obviously you do) this WILL affect you.

    • Auragar

      Nothing we do can affect net neutrality. The idiot in charge doesn’t care.

      • Not true. There are congress people that are sympathetic to net neutrality already. They can vote no to these changes.

        Do everything you can

        • Auragar

          They will be able to do however they feel without us we won’t do anything dont be naive.

      • mcfilmmakers

        That attitude is exactly why you have an idiot in charge.

        • Auragar

          No the reason we have an idiot in charge is because this country is full of f*cking racists who got somebody completely unfit to be president elected and then put people who also don’t know what they are doing and put them in charge of the FCC.

          • mcfilmmakers

            Yeah, that’s what I said. Your attitude.

  • belmad

    The best thing about Sun & Moon is Type: Null and Silvally. Imagine a Generations episode like this:

    • Ithsme?

      Woah, that was really cool. Just reminds me of how short SM fell in world building. So so much potential.

  • Unseelie Fairy

    Do you guys think Lillie will still leave for Kanto in USUM?

    • Ithsme?

      Maybe she’ll leave for Sinnoh. Or maybe Gladion will, that’s where the third Null is.

    • Lazy terror

      If Lillie becomes a trainer then I doubt it, if they make her a trainer I’m sure GF make her available to be rematched.

      Also, Lillie goes there to find a cure to Lusamine’s disease or something, considering how much the story of USUM seems to be changing, that may not even happen at all and Lillie wouldn’t need to go to Kanto

      • Ithsme?

        We should get rematches for all the notable characters, especially in a HGSS fashion. The title defense was cool, but sometimes I just wanna re-fight a grass specialist, for example. Better yet, have a post game totem dungeon, where there are totem superbosses. Not related, just an extra cool thing I thought of.

        • Lazy terror

          Exactly, they should do those things so the game be a lot more repayable 😮

          • Ithsme?

            Yep. Throwing in just a couple things to do won’t make the game a ton more habitable after credits. USUM shows promise though.

        • Monkeyfuzz

          Somewhere to do large level ups through battle, Blissey Base style.

    • Auragar

      Maybe.

  • Murder Freak

    YES!!!! WE FINALLY HAVE THE BEAST BOY ACTOR FOR THE 2018 TITANS SHOW!!!! ITS HIRO FROM BIG HERO 6!!! SO A CHARACTER PLAYED BY A 22 YEAR OLD WILL DAte a character played by a 14 year old… that’s kinda messed up isn’t it?

    • Lazy terror

      Uhmm no it isn’t? It has been done all the time before, unless it is live which in that case, I can see how some people would feel a little uncomfortable

  • Anyone who says high school was the best time of their life has the saddest life ever.

    Oh my god

    • Unseelie Fairy

      But ethaaaaaanol

    • Auragar

      And are also liars the only place where that statement might be true is in Japan.

    • Chaos

      Not High School, but University

      • Auragar

        Ding ding ding. We have a winner. At least for most normal people college is the actual best time of their life.

    • Monkeyfuzz

      Erm, yeah it was better than my life now, though it was far better in primary school.

    • TheUltraMonster6893

      Life got better for me after highschool. Once you get some freedom that’s where it’s at. That is until the crushing debt and stress gets to you…….

  • SpooktralSeraph

    OH MY GOD ALL OF THESE RUMORS BE REAL PLEASE

    • Sunny

      SECONDED!!!!

      • SpooktralSeraph

        I WANT WATER ODDISH

        • Sunny

          I would honestly be happy with any typing if it is the first revealed form since it would confirm that there are new ones in these games.

          • SpooktralSeraph

            😀

        • Monkeyfuzz

          Water is a very common type. Now if it was Fire I’d be totally on board.

      • I don’t have a strong opinion honestly

  • joker901
    • Monkeyfuzz

      Yeah yesterday, not sure if it adds any credibility to these rumours as we knew they’d all gather together at some point.

      • joker901

        Lusamine seems ok. Maybe all the mother beast plot is out…

        • Monkeyfuzz

          Or maybe it happens at a different time or in a different way. I think probably it will have been replaced though.

  • Yo, I just walked home from school and I’m super tired.

  • Oh I came up with the names for My Hydro Electric Pokémon
    I’m going to work in the details rn then come back and share them with y’all

    • ShinyXatu

      We need more Water/Electric types for sure. Also, do you want to trade for Unova Pikachu today? Shockingly I actually have some free time for once.

      • Sorry I actually planned to get it, but when I went to restart it already was Kalos cap •~•

        I’m really sorry

        • ShinyXatu

          That’s okay, if you don’t want to keep that one I’ll take it instead. Whatever you want!

        • Murder Freak

          When is the Alola cap starting?

          • ShinyXatu

            Next Tuesday I believe.

  • Murder Freak

    I need to make a list of my worst fakemon names so I can fix them (maybe with your help)

  • Murder Freak

    I’m scrapping a Barbells fakemon for a Steel Wool Llama.
    How should I combine the words Llama and Metal?
    Llametal?
    Metallam?
    Llamatal?
    Metallama?
    Tallame?
    Or should I go with something diffrent?

    • Monkeyfuzz

      Llamore (Llama+Ore, also close to French for Love which could be used in building its’ nature).

      • Murder Freak

        Oooooh I like that! I think I’ll use it, Thanks!

    • Unseelie Fairy

      Allama/Alloma/Allayma (Combinations of Alloy and Llama)

      Spitlil (Spit + Lil’)

      Lillama (Little + Llama)

      Wooli (Cute name)

  • Anyone else getting a message that says “hold on, this is waiting to be approved by Pokejungle Network.”?

  • TheReece25

    So no more battle tree? :/
    Loved frontier tho

    • Ultron

      Well the battle tree is on the map so I’d be surprised if they turned it into something else

  • Murder Freak

    The best thing about scrapping a fakemon is that I get to make one again!

    Alloyma (decided to go with Fairy’s idea)
    Steel/Normal
    The Metal Wool Pokemon
    Diffrent kinds of ores, mainly steel, are added to their food in small amounts. Farmers shave them to get valuable Steel Wool. They can spit metal.

    Signature ability (it can have either Tangling Hair or this):
    Soft Steel
    Their defence is risen by two stages, but it gets burned after being hit by any Fire or Electric type attack.

    • Murder Freak

      HP: 75
      Attack: 85
      Defense: 65
      S. Attack: 70
      S. Defense: 80
      Speed: 97

  • Ultron

    Looking back at the riddler’s Sun and Moon puzzles they’re even worse than I remember lmao. How is a bust of Aristotle related to Necrozma and/or ultra beasts?

    • Because they’re busted

      • Ultron

        Lolllll sad but true

    • joker901

      Plenty of reasons…Aristotle is related to Solgaleo and Lunala because of the philosopher’s stone (alchemy) and to Nihilego which rapresents ether just to start…

    • Auragar

      It isn’t. People give the “riddler” too much credit.

  • Shady

    I am already have Mimikyu in pokemon duel he actually have disguise ability it’s pretty useful in duel too. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DMaQ8X1W4AApCyl.jpg

  • Sunny

    Joe Merrick just posted on his twitter feed about a confirmed USUM leak.

    https://twitter.com/JoeMerrick/status/920733879534805002

  • Luigi301

    I gotta say. We got the last person in the E4 to change because you become the champion. I would love to see changing types in the E4 cuz why not

    • Monkeyfuzz

      I think a different story could facilitate a different E4. Perhaps this time Nanu accepts the offer to join?

      • Ultron

        Nanu for Champion

        • Monkeyfuzz

          Depends if we are taking over in the same way again. I’d prefer he be a permanent E4 member than a rotating challenger.

    • Ultron

      I need Kahili to be a good character this time around

  • Ultron

    Let’s take bets: Will we be able to access more of the golf course in USUM? Or does GF just not care enough? Could we see a golfing minigame?

    • TheUltraMonster6893

      I honestly think we will get access to it. If Kahili is gonna play more of a role in these games I can’t see them passing up letting us walk the course

      • Ultron

        I also want more access to the Hotel :c

    • Monkeyfuzz

      I really don’t want a golf minigame taking up space. Golf course could be a trial site or something I guess.

      • Ultron

        Trial for Kahili there would be sweet

    • Kahili trial

      • Luigi301

        i honestly didnt remember her. i googled her and realized. theres also that dragon guy but i think he was shown in a trailer i believe in the place that looked like vermillion gym

    • Auragar

      We won’t be able to access it.

  • SpooktralSeraph

    Debate of the day:
    Is Sonic Forces intentionally trying to be edgy or is Sega that braindead

    • What if it’s both?

    • Shady

      I think a lot of fans r happy with edgy

      • SpooktralSeraph

        The ten year olds?
        No but seriously it makes for wonderful memes

        • Shady

          No actually most of them r old one ……u need to watch youtube

    • Luigi301

      i would say intentionally. They added the ability to create your own character and we all know sonic OCs exist.

      • SpooktralSeraph

        Exactly

    • Auragar

      Both.

    • SpooktralSeraph

      Testing

  • Pajamawolfie (towelgirl21)

    Played through the story in Sun a few days back (’bout to become Champ, level-grinding)

    So the other day I was harping about Mohn in SunMoon and “what did Lusamine want with the Ultra Beasts?” etc. and I finally came to this conclusion: she is just batcrap insane.

    She doesn’t want to save / destroy / rule the world, she just wants to live in a wormhole with a bunch of creepy space jellyfish.

    Hell, maybe Mohn left her on purpose. Lillie and Gladion did, cuz she is psychotic and heavily implied to be abusive. And she froze her pokemon in blocks of ice. (one of the creepiest scenes)

    The Aether Foundation itself wasn’t doing anything wrong; Lusamine and a small circle of researchers were doing the wormhole stuff. I read the files about Type:Null and it looks like Faba did that project himself, knowing Lusamine is a psycho but not being able to stop her from getting to the UBs. He made his own thing to stop them if necessary.

    So the UBs attacking earth were just a side effect of an insane woman’s desire to live with space jellyfish.

    • SpooktralSeraph

      Here’s what bothers me about that
      LITERALLY there was ZERO reason to care
      Like seriously
      If they stopped the invasion, they could have left Lusamine to die without consequence

      • Pajamawolfie (towelgirl21)

        I think we’re supposed to care because the player is Lillie’s friend, someone she looks up to. Lillie goes back to face her abusive mother instead of running away forever. The also give her a chance to (possibly) atone for her actions. Plumeria says this:

        “Bring Guzma back, if you can. I know you’ve got no reason to help… but no one can make up for what they’ve done if they’re gone.”

        The player helps because they’re a good person, and doesn’t just leave a friend’s mom to die. Lillie says:

        “My mother disappeared into the beast’s world… I know that she was a terrible person, but she is still my mother. I need to see her again, to tell her something.”

        In the end, she has a slim chance of recovery and probably won’t be allowed to run the company anymore.

        • SpooktralSeraph

          Yeah but I mean come onnnnnnnn
          It just felt weird because it makes her feel like such a small scale compared to everything else. There was barely anything at stake

          • Pajamawolfie (towelgirl21)

            That reminds me of the Conan The Barbarian movie that came out a few years back: Conan saves the world, but only because the guy who was going to take it over was the one who killed his father.

            Otherwise, Conan wouldn’t have cared.

            I guess SunMoon is more of a hero’s journey story of Lillie.

          • SpooktralSeraph

            Yeah but that’s so dumbbbbbbb

      • Unseelie Fairy

        Could’ve left Guzma to die too ?

    • Prashanth Raghuram

      To understand Lusamine’s character we’ll have to speculate a bit about what happened when Mohn died… Lusamine was devastated after Mohn died and she wanted to KILL all Ultra Beasts. Nihilego is different… her relationship with UB Symbiont is perfect because it represents the control she could never have as a mother over her children. This control itself, however was a consequence of losing her husband. There is speculation that the first Ultra Wormhole incident Lusamine got a taste of Nihilego’s toxins and hence she actually invested her efforts in the wormhole project just so she could get a doze of the toxin again. Nihilego has no self of its own and merely inflates that of it’s host organism. Hence Lusamine’s feelings about losing her husband were MAGNIFIED causing her to obviously go batshit crazy, yet the crazy amount of power and control she felt with nihilego inflating her ego also felt good in a way and so she abandoned all reality to feel that again.

      • Pajamawolfie (towelgirl21)

        That seems plausible too.

        • Prashanth Raghuram

          I mean of course, it clearly states that it only magnifies what is already there, so she must have psychotic tendencies. But I think a lot of people that end up living normal lives might have psychotic tendencies that go un-triggered.

          • Pajamawolfie (towelgirl21)

            Yeah, and having access to cutting-edge scientific research and millions of dollars makes it different than say, lighting a house on fire.

  • Pajamawolfie (towelgirl21)
    • Prashanth Raghuram

      Which is why I find this news odd… how on earth can they redesign friggin BELLOSOM to be more ALOLAN. Bellosom was Alolan form before it was cool.

      • Pajamawolfie (towelgirl21)

        I don’t know why Bellossom wasn’t in Alola already.

        Tropius either, but we know he’s going to be in the USUM pokedex.

    • Luigi301

      lol sure but oddish itself would have to get an alolan form. also Bellossom has only grass typing so it wouldnt refer to it. Basically I think oddish will get an alolan form and so will vileplume. Bellossom wont

      • Luigi301

        totally forgot about gloom lol

    • Shady

      Oddish only appear in night time in GS ….so this could mean something so it could be part of dark type …..remember GF never forget.

  • why does sonic forces look like mighty number 9

    • SpooktralSeraph

      Ikr

  • Luigi301

    I keep forgetting that i have a copy of sun i never played

    • Pajamawolfie (towelgirl21)

      heretic!

      • Luigi301

        lol i just havent gotten around to it. i got it as a gift. I personally wasnt happy with sun and moon. i feel like x and y really got me into competitive and then sun and moon turned me off of it. I like that USUM seems to be expanding on the story. I just hope that the switch pokemon game does to Z moves what sun and moon did to Megas

  • Ultron

    YES finally my team for USUM has been bred. Just need to EV train them now and we’ll be good 🙂

    • Fedex

      Ahhhh
      what is your team!!

      • Ultron

        Togekiss
        Gyarados
        Vikavolt
        Snorlax
        Chandelure
        Tyranitar

        • PokeVeteran

          Awesome im going the Dog lover route
          Houndoom *Shiny
          Stoutland
          Mightyena
          Smeargle
          Dusk Lycanroc
          farfetched *for lols

  • TheUltraMonster6893

    Switch update allows video capture and the ability to transfer save data

    • WAIT WHAT

      • TheUltraMonster6893

        30 second capture now that you can trim and edit as you wish. Creates a new clip when you trim so you don’t lose the original file

    • ShinyXatu

      That’s a pretty big deal.

  • ShinyXatu

    So I just got 2 of the Target Charizards from codes posted on 4chan. Whoever says that site isn’t good obviously isn’t using it correctly 😛

    • ShinyXatu

      One of them was even female! I know that’s a 12.5% chance but I wasn’t even trying.

  • SpooktralSeraph

    I cannot respect your opinion regarding candy @starstorm295:disqus
    You’ve crossed the line
    You denied the most traditional of halloween foods

    • im not sorry

    • Wait, what’d she say?

      • i told him the truth that candy corn is terrible

        • I barely remember having candy corn, so I can’t say whether or not I like it.

          • clearly it didn’t leave much of an impression

          • I just have bad memory

          • Just to bring it up, I don’t really like chocolate. Now, there are some exceptions, mainly white chocolate and brownies, but besides those and a few others, I just don’t like it.

          • CANDY CORN ISN’T CHOCOLATE

          • I know that, but your view on candy corn reminded me of that.

          • Auragar

            Yeah I think it is pretty much just honey.

        • SpooktralSeraph

          You mean vile slander?

          • Vile slander is calling vanilla crap

          • SpooktralSeraph

            You have a point

        • Auragar

          Yeah I don’t care for candy corn myself.

        • Ultron

          It totally is disgusting

  • misery kid

    Honestly skeptical, i don’t think that if it was oddish, they would leave out bellossom, as some commenters were implying. it might be just vileplume, but i’m not sure i like that either. if these rumors are true, i’d rather the whole line get alolan forms, incl bellossom. when i first saw these rumors, i got a cool idea in my head about plants that need to catch fire to survive; like to rejuvenate their roots (oddish is a root, right?) or spread their seeds. so like an oddish but the leaves on its head are dry, and end result is like a grass/fire vileplume? idk where that leaves bellosom though. either way, i hope bellossom gets a new form. way one of my fave pokemon.

  • EarthenWarrior

    i’ve clocked in…..16 hours into South Park today…….is it normal to only see in clouydy vison or…….farts

  • SpooktralSeraph

    So I just spammed my IRL friend by taking a borderlands 2 character and sending him every single line that character says in the entire game

    • Who and which character?

      • SpooktralSeraph

        Sam and I sent everything said by Ellie

  • SpooktralSeraph

    @disqus_dTl1zFqOHH:disqus Swooce onto discord real fast

    • Watch me swooce right in. But first, can you tell me where the caveman is?

      • SpooktralSeraph

        Being the sheriff
        I sent something to you

        • Oh my god yes

          • SpooktralSeraph

            Indeed

  • SpooktralSeraph
  • Pajamawolfie (towelgirl21)

    one more thing before I go: got one of these pokemon cards today

    dabbing like a champ

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/dee971a2d97af82f1007e169ac334c11a65dcae9d6c372a12303a3d434827725.jpg

  • Shady

    Top 60 again …….in the showdown

  • Shady

    @starstorm295:disqus Is this real or just a fan made? ….I mean is this character even exist?

    http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/858/881/8fd.jpg

  • Ultron

    Why is Mimikyu such a perfect pokemon???

  • Wow I just love my new Showdown team

    I play OU with Mantine, Torkoal, Tropius, Gengar, Venomoth and Weavile

    Most people start to win, but not by much and just give up because no one wants to say in OU “Well I just lost to a Mantine”

    They all work in a well unison fashion and can take down quite a few Pokémon teams

    • Oh right there moves (not in front of my computer so can’t give y’all natures IV’s and the works)
      Tropius
      Ability: Chlophyl
      Item: Sitrus Berry
      Moves: Energy Ball, Defog, Solar Beam and Rest

      Torkoal
      Ability: Drought
      Item: Leftovers
      Moves: Flamethrower, Stealth Rock, Rapid Spin and Clear Smog (literally clear smog is super OP facing Bulk up Talonflame’s and Shuckle in general)

      Mantine
      Ability: Cannot recall
      Item: Flynium Z
      Moves: Scald, Tailwind, Air Slash, Ice Beam

      • Venomoth
        Ability: Sheild Dust
        Item: Focus Sash
        Moves: Psychic, Roost, Bug Buzz and Disable (Disable comes in handy quite a bit actually)

        Weavile
        Ability: Pressure
        Item: Focus Sash
        Moves: Fake Out, Ice Shard, Knock Off and Poison Jab

        Gengar
        Ability: Cursed Body (primarily worthless tbh)
        Item: Sitrus berry? Can’t remember
        Moves: Shadow Ball, Destiny Bond, Dazzling Gleam and Dark Pulse

        So thoughts?

        • But honestly how many of you would be pissed to be losing or struggling to a team like this?

    • Monkeyfuzz
      • It honestly is the most used Pokémon on my team

        Everyone hates to beaten by “Alola Bound” No joke that’s his name

  • https://docs.google.com/document/d/1BhdFXT7AnzcugsDqR_0PwihDhwtN4pZlP8inifZAEk8/edit#
    Here it is:The thing no one asked for, enjoy and give your thoughts, I guess

  • belmad

    Wow, I’ve just seen Sub Zero without mask, such a daddy! I mean his hairy muscular chest, tremendous biceps and perfect beard… He can fatality my clam any day.

    • Ultron

      Who da hell is dat

      • TheUltraMonster6893

        You clearly don’t play Mortal Kombat lol

        • Ultron

          NOPE

          • TheUltraMonster6893

            They’re great. I highly recommend.

    • ShinyXatu

      Simmer down, Harriet Hormones.

    • TheUltraMonster6893

      Which Sub Zero? Lol The original or his brother? Or how about Android Sub Zero? Haha

      • belmad

        IDK, the one from Mortal Kombat X. I can’t contain myself. I’m so sorry. He’s so hot for a video game character.

        • TheUltraMonster6893

          Ah so the brother. Well either way he’s the only important Sub Zero haha You enjoying MKX? Both 9 and X were gems. Loved them so much. Can’t wait for 11!

  • Shady
  • EarthenWarrior

    https://youtu.be/biag9tXv3CE Shite’s gonna go down

  • Douglas Fernando

    Alolan Bellsprout makes more sense since it has only one evolutionary line or even an Alolan Victribell as they did to exeggcute changing only it’s final form

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  • LordOfSnails

    So if the Oddish line gets alolan forms, do you think it will include bellossom getting one as well? I think they should atleast give it dancer as a hidden ability. I think Alolan Oddish could be Grass/Fire, Grass/Rock, or Grass/Ground. Grass/Rock and Grass/Ground could be good types to represent the fact that it’s environment has completely changed. For some reason I think gamefreak is going to make it Grass/Fairy or Grass/Dark.Then again it’s just a rumor and should be taken with a grain of salt. I just want good move tutors. I also want some more Pokemon to get Wide guard and Quickguard.

  • BanzaiFerret

    this might be a longshot but i’m hoping the grass/poison type in question is Bulbasaur, and then by extension we get Alolan forms for Charmander and Squirtle too. something like that would certainly justify this long of a wait before the reveal…

  • Funktastic

    Oddish getting Alolan forme would too good to be true though. So that means Alolan Vileplume and Alolan Bellosoom wow. Would be surprised if its Bellsprout line instead.

  • CaptainKrunchers

    Bellsprout line was Grass/Poison too. Everyone seems to be forgetting this… They fit the tropical theme at a lot better and have more room to be redesigned, considering that Oddish already got a split evo in Gen II and that same evo already looks like it belongs in Hawaii. I think it would just make way more sense to focus on Bellsprout, Weepinbel, and Victreebel.

    • CaptainKrunchers

      To add more to my thoughts, some people noticed that the Kanto Pokemon that received Alolan forms had interesting former Pokedex entries that their Alolan forms called back to (Exeggutor being taller with more sunlight and Marowak howling for its dead mother come to mind). The Oddish line doesn’t say anything remarkable, but Victreebel’s entry in Red specifically says it grows in massive colonies deep in remote jungles. Nothing too out of the ordinary, you may say, but it does give GF something to call back to if they were making an Alolan Bellsprout line.