RUMOR: New Alolan Forms in Ultra Sun & Moon + More!

DISCLAIMER: Rumors are not confirmed information, should not be thought of to be confirmed information and should not be shared as confirmed information. These are for discussion purposes.

With less than four weeks until the official release of Pokémon Ultra Sun and Ultra Moon, the rumor mill has been cranking out some interesting information as of late. While I don’t normally cover rumors that appear on 4chan because of the inability to verify anything about them, today’s bit of hearsay is allegedly (that means NOT CONFIRMED, as with everything in a RUMOR post) from the Chinese Riddler who leaked quite a bit of accurate—if not obtuse—information about Pokémon Sun & Moon.

You may have noticed that the ‘Riddler’ has been mostly inactive, but they have apparently been warned by company officials not to disclose information and have only revealed things via personal accounts to close friends.

There’s no way to verify that these conclusively came from them because they were, apparently, quickly deleted, but Chinese social media has been buzzing about the English translation that was posted on 4chan.

  • A “returning” Team will take over the Aether Paradise and steal Lillie’s Cosmog/Cosmoem
  • In order to secure the building more executives and team members will be brought in (possibly from another dimension) as you progress
  • Molayne, a former Trial Captain and engineer of Alola’s PC network, will join the Elite 4
  • A new building similar to the past Battle Frontier will be available and will incorporate renting you friends’ teams, possibly similar to current QR system
  • Generation I Grass/Poison-type Pokémon will get a new Alolan Form; this is suspected to be Oddish

You can watch PokéSirena’s video on YouTube and listen to her thoughts as well (thanks for the tip!). She has been working with us to cover and translate Chinese leaks for over a year now.

Take these with a massive spoonful of salt and discuss responsibly! Thoughts?!

 

 

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427 thoughts on “RUMOR: New Alolan Forms in Ultra Sun & Moon + More!”

    • I’ll never forget the starter evolution leaks, I still don’t understand how that was even possible. I think you were pretty confident in those like I was!

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  1. The returning team has to be either Rocket or Galactic. Can’t really say which yet. All of that sounds very plausible though…and exciting! I just hope we get more than one new Alolan form.

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    • Team Plasma taking over the Aether Paradise and taking Nebby (should have stayed in the bag smh) would actually make sense based on their beliefs.

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    • I hope it’s Galactic. I kept musing that if the next set of remakes were Diamond/Pearl (like getting them instead of USUM) it could be another way to expand all the Ultra Beast stuff we’re getting.

      I’m just kind of not ready for the next Gen. I see UBs, Alolan forms and the Pokemon boss fights getting swept aside too easily.

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  2. The only part of this that leaves me on the fence is the building similar to the battle frontier, simply because of that interview that was released a bit ago about it not being included in ORAS.

    I do love these speculation articles though because they make the weeks leading up to release more exciting!!

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  3. I’m kinda hesitant on new alolan forms, because if they were there they’d have been announced by now, but I’d love an Alolan Vileplume :0

    Also, this thing of renting friends’ team for a new battle facility sounds pretty cool

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  4. >New Alolan forms
    >Oddish

    I mean, I suppose we’re to expect the line itself has Alolan forms, but I was expecting more than one line getting them from the title lol

    A returning team takes over Paradise and takes Nebby? Well then the Aether Paradise raid of SM will be a raid to retrieve Nebby, since trailers have shown that Solgaleo/Lunala fights Necrozma where we would have seen the evolution in the prior game.

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    • Obviously I could be wrong, but I don’t think we’d just get *1* new family of Alolan Forms. I don’t think Bellsprout line will get, but I do think we might see at least one more if Alolan Oddish is true.

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  5. Meh i just don’t see them tacting any more alolans

    in another note, in South Park there’s a gigantic cluster of easter eggs, including Ash’s Hat and all sorts of tv and cartoon costumes

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  6. So, to keep the Mystery Dungeon train going, here’s a stupid question:Have any of you ever written any fanfics? I know a lot of you have ideas, but have you actually put it down on paper or a document? I’ve already said I have, so yeah. Also, this is an interesting rumor. I’d like to see how they’d execute it if it were real

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  7. I don’t really believe it and I think the game would get cramped with four different factions (Aether/URS/Skull/Old Team) but I wouldn’t be annoyed if it was true

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  8. I was waiting for this article. I was actually poring through other forums when I found this info yesterday. I can honestly say I am quite excited if this happens to be true. However, I don’t know how they would handled it without it being too much of a cluttered mess, but with how well they did with SM and BW I think I have faith in them.

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  9. I definitely hope we get new Alolan forms and if Oddish just so happens to get one I may actually use it depending on what its new typing is. With the possibility of an old villian team returning I could see Galactic being that team or Plasma. Since the Famtisu article that leaked the other day said this game should be twice as long as S/M and has as much extra detail as Emerald/Platnium i could see us getting a new BF and also dealing with 4 teams. That’ll really keep us busy lol

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  10. It isn’t only the Chinese Riddler who has mentioned the return of an old team along with a mention of more Alola forms. The USUM wishlist rumor has also mentioned the return of old teams-especially Giovanni-and more Alola forms. This unseesming wishlist has so far been correct on the points it has made without any falsehoods and posted the actual names of the games I think about a month before the direct announced them. So I am still looking at these rumors with a grain of salt, but I am quite hopeful.

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  11. I REALLY don’t want to get my hopes up…….but the Riddler has proven he knows stuff so maybe this is true? With all this possible new info I think the USUM wishlist rumor has gained even more traction as well. It’s already gotten new UBs and some other stuff right. (Including the initials of USUM) I just don’t want to hurt myself haha. If all this is true then USUM may be one of the best games EVER. Even without these rumors USUM has been shown to be quite fun so with all this on top of what we know for sure this could be great! What a turn for the best. It’s crazy how they revoked people into thinking it wasn’t gonna be a good game (including myself) They really should have hit it harder back in June to make people happier hahaha

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  12. Oh!!! One more thing. The idea of Pokemon getting Alolan forms even tho they’re split evos is interesting. Really opens up the door a lot. Also the idea of Oddiah getting a form kind of hints that we’ll still get Johto forms as Bellossom would likely it one too. Very interesting indeed!!

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  13. The “returning” team is most likely Team Skull. They’ve yet to be formally recognized by any trailers or CoroCoro revealings. We only know of that one scene with Guzma in the new trailer.

    And the Grass/Poison type could be Oddish…or Bellsprout…or Bulbasaur (it was talked about in a former rumor that Bulbasaur’s line was possibly getting Alola Forms in SM, maybe we get them in USUM instead?)

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    • I didn’t think I would be. I have been so chill for 4/5ths of this pre-release season. I guess with this last month and the increased amount of info drops I have lost my inhibitions. I guess it is like being stranded in a desert vs being stranded in a desert with an oasis that is just out of reach. One situation would fill me more with a resigned feeling while the other one makes me want to quench my thirst as quickly as possible.

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  14. Nice. I would love for these to be true but I don’t see oddish or bulbasaur getting Alolan forms simply because they’re already pretty tropical and I don’t really see what living in Alola could do to them or their evolutions. Like oddish manly comes out at night to bask in moonlight and Gloom, Vilploom and Bellosom are all based on tropical plants, so what could in Alola could forced them to change when it’s the ideal environment for them to thrive? Maybe there’s some grass/poison that I’m forgetting that might be a better candidate?

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    • There is Bellsprout. And the answer to your question as to what can cause the emergence of this Alola form is an obvious one. Ultra Panckaes.

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      • Yea. but with bellsprout the argument stands the same as with the other tropical plant pokemon. If it is true I hope we don’t get another Alolan Raichu write off.

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  15. I need opinions on this conundrum that I am faced with. I have been thinking, if they reveal new Alola forms I will probably want to use them. However I am set on using the starter that I haven’t used yet-Decidueye. I prefer not to have more than 2 Pokémon to share the same type weakness so I don’t want it to limit my choice of Pokémon on my teams. So I have done a standard run with Primarina and a Nuzlocke with Incineroar. I am thinking that maybe I should just restart my Sun nuzlocke and do a standard run with Decidueye before USUM comes out. That way I can choose whatever Starter best fits my team. What does everyone think?

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    • No. Use decidueye and new alola forms. It won’t kill you using two of the same type. Just adds challenge honestly. Plus it may lose the grass typing. You’re thinking too hard into it

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  16. I don’t believe it. Just 1 new alola form? Why have even new ones at that point lol.
    Battle Frontier esque building? Puhlease. Its probably battle tower esque like every battle tower esque battle since gen 2
    But I’ll take being wrong any day

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    • Who said there was ONLY one new form coming? The rumor is just about a single one. It’s not that they said there would only ever be one more. Gotta read it like this. If Oddish gets one then we’re likely to get more.

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  17. Iwao (donno his first name) told Famitsu that new info regarding USUM (trailers) will be shown before the games’s release, at least thats what Serebii tweeted an hour ago. Am hyped af

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    • Yeah, but to be honest I can’t imagine then going to the release without showing Necrozma light form. He could mean that. That said I’m still sure we’re in for one more giant surprise

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  18. The best possible scenario is that we’ll get a Dragon/Fairy Alolan Dragonite (and Maybe some other forms) that gets the last new Z-stone. I know I said that before and I know it’s too good to happen, but… actually there’s no but

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  19. Well this matches three points from USUM whishlist, which is by far the most reliable leak among all (it was posted 3 months before USUM announcement with the code name USUM):

    – New pokes, new alola forms, new UBs (last part confirmed)
    – More baddies from old versions return, especially Giovanni
    – Lusamine takes a chill pill (not confirmed but probable)
    – A better battle facility like PWT or battle factory
    – More Z-moves and new forms for Necrozma (confirmed and confirmed)
    – Cut the camera feature (don’t really understand what he is referring at)
    – To be released on 3DS (confirmed)
    – Hau to have better clothing and pull a Blue

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  20. I don’t buy it. I feel like if we were getting new alola forms we would have seen some when they announced the new UBs. Plus, not that the games have amazing plots, but a returning team feels too busy with everything else we have seen. I’d be more likely to believe it for post-game.

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  21. I can see Oddish line having Dark typing. Anything can be possible at this point actualy. I don’t like the whole another dimension thing. And everything is getting messy. Sad.

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  22. If you had to pick 5 mons that aren’t confirmed not to have alolan forms, to have them, what mons would you choose and what Types would they have?

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    • If Lillie becomes a trainer then I doubt it, if they make her a trainer I’m sure GF make her available to be rematched.

      Also, Lillie goes there to find a cure to Lusamine’s disease or something, considering how much the story of USUM seems to be changing, that may not even happen at all and Lillie wouldn’t need to go to Kanto

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      • We should get rematches for all the notable characters, especially in a HGSS fashion. The title defense was cool, but sometimes I just wanna re-fight a grass specialist, for example. Better yet, have a post game totem dungeon, where there are totem superbosses. Not related, just an extra cool thing I thought of.

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  23. YES!!!! WE FINALLY HAVE THE BEAST BOY ACTOR FOR THE 2018 TITANS SHOW!!!! ITS HIRO FROM BIG HERO 6!!! SO A CHARACTER PLAYED BY A 22 YEAR OLD WILL DAte a character played by a 14 year old… that’s kinda messed up isn’t it?

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  24. I’m scrapping a Barbells fakemon for a Steel Wool Llama.
    How should I combine the words Llama and Metal?
    Llametal?
    Metallam?
    Llamatal?
    Metallama?
    Tallame?
    Or should I go with something diffrent?

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  25. The best thing about scrapping a fakemon is that I get to make one again!

    Alloyma (decided to go with Fairy’s idea)
    Steel/Normal
    The Metal Wool Pokemon
    Diffrent kinds of ores, mainly steel, are added to their food in small amounts. Farmers shave them to get valuable Steel Wool. They can spit metal.

    Signature ability (it can have either Tangling Hair or this):
    Soft Steel
    Their defence is risen by two stages, but it gets burned after being hit by any Fire or Electric type attack.

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  26. Looking back at the riddler’s Sun and Moon puzzles they’re even worse than I remember lmao. How is a bust of Aristotle related to Necrozma and/or ultra beasts?

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  27. I gotta say. We got the last person in the E4 to change because you become the champion. I would love to see changing types in the E4 cuz why not

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  28. Let’s take bets: Will we be able to access more of the golf course in USUM? Or does GF just not care enough? Could we see a golfing minigame?

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  29. Played through the story in Sun a few days back (’bout to become Champ, level-grinding)

    So the other day I was harping about Mohn in SunMoon and “what did Lusamine want with the Ultra Beasts?” etc. and I finally came to this conclusion: she is just batcrap insane.

    She doesn’t want to save / destroy / rule the world, she just wants to live in a wormhole with a bunch of creepy space jellyfish.

    Hell, maybe Mohn left her on purpose. Lillie and Gladion did, cuz she is psychotic and heavily implied to be abusive. And she froze her pokemon in blocks of ice. (one of the creepiest scenes)

    The Aether Foundation itself wasn’t doing anything wrong; Lusamine and a small circle of researchers were doing the wormhole stuff. I read the files about Type:Null and it looks like Faba did that project himself, knowing Lusamine is a psycho but not being able to stop her from getting to the UBs. He made his own thing to stop them if necessary.

    So the UBs attacking earth were just a side effect of an insane woman’s desire to live with space jellyfish.

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    • Here’s what bothers me about that
      LITERALLY there was ZERO reason to care
      Like seriously
      If they stopped the invasion, they could have left Lusamine to die without consequence

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      • I think we’re supposed to care because the player is Lillie’s friend, someone she looks up to. Lillie goes back to face her abusive mother instead of running away forever. The also give her a chance to (possibly) atone for her actions. Plumeria says this:

        “Bring Guzma back, if you can. I know you’ve got no reason to help… but no one can make up for what they’ve done if they’re gone.”

        The player helps because they’re a good person, and doesn’t just leave a friend’s mom to die. Lillie says:

        “My mother disappeared into the beast’s world… I know that she was a terrible person, but she is still my mother. I need to see her again, to tell her something.”

        In the end, she has a slim chance of recovery and probably won’t be allowed to run the company anymore.

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        • Yeah but I mean come onnnnnnnn
          It just felt weird because it makes her feel like such a small scale compared to everything else. There was barely anything at stake

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          • That reminds me of the Conan The Barbarian movie that came out a few years back: Conan saves the world, but only because the guy who was going to take it over was the one who killed his father.

            Otherwise, Conan wouldn’t have cared.

            I guess SunMoon is more of a hero’s journey story of Lillie.

    • To understand Lusamine’s character we’ll have to speculate a bit about what happened when Mohn died… Lusamine was devastated after Mohn died and she wanted to KILL all Ultra Beasts. Nihilego is different… her relationship with UB Symbiont is perfect because it represents the control she could never have as a mother over her children. This control itself, however was a consequence of losing her husband. There is speculation that the first Ultra Wormhole incident Lusamine got a taste of Nihilego’s toxins and hence she actually invested her efforts in the wormhole project just so she could get a doze of the toxin again. Nihilego has no self of its own and merely inflates that of it’s host organism. Hence Lusamine’s feelings about losing her husband were MAGNIFIED causing her to obviously go batshit crazy, yet the crazy amount of power and control she felt with nihilego inflating her ego also felt good in a way and so she abandoned all reality to feel that again.

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        • I mean of course, it clearly states that it only magnifies what is already there, so she must have psychotic tendencies. But I think a lot of people that end up living normal lives might have psychotic tendencies that go un-triggered.

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          • Yeah, and having access to cutting-edge scientific research and millions of dollars makes it different than say, lighting a house on fire.

    • Which is why I find this news odd… how on earth can they redesign friggin BELLOSOM to be more ALOLAN. Bellosom was Alolan form before it was cool.

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      • I don’t know why Bellossom wasn’t in Alola already.

        Tropius either, but we know he’s going to be in the USUM pokedex.

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    • lol sure but oddish itself would have to get an alolan form. also Bellossom has only grass typing so it wouldnt refer to it. Basically I think oddish will get an alolan form and so will vileplume. Bellossom wont

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    • Oddish only appear in night time in GS ….so this could mean something so it could be part of dark type …..remember GF never forget.

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      • lol i just havent gotten around to it. i got it as a gift. I personally wasnt happy with sun and moon. i feel like x and y really got me into competitive and then sun and moon turned me off of it. I like that USUM seems to be expanding on the story. I just hope that the switch pokemon game does to Z moves what sun and moon did to Megas

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  30. So I just got 2 of the Target Charizards from codes posted on 4chan. Whoever says that site isn’t good obviously isn’t using it correctly 😛

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  31. I cannot respect your opinion regarding candy @starstorm295:disqus
    You’ve crossed the line
    You denied the most traditional of halloween foods

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  32. Honestly skeptical, i don’t think that if it was oddish, they would leave out bellossom, as some commenters were implying. it might be just vileplume, but i’m not sure i like that either. if these rumors are true, i’d rather the whole line get alolan forms, incl bellossom. when i first saw these rumors, i got a cool idea in my head about plants that need to catch fire to survive; like to rejuvenate their roots (oddish is a root, right?) or spread their seeds. so like an oddish but the leaves on its head are dry, and end result is like a grass/fire vileplume? idk where that leaves bellosom though. either way, i hope bellossom gets a new form. way one of my fave pokemon.

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  33. So I just spammed my IRL friend by taking a borderlands 2 character and sending him every single line that character says in the entire game

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  34. Wow I just love my new Showdown team

    I play OU with Mantine, Torkoal, Tropius, Gengar, Venomoth and Weavile

    Most people start to win, but not by much and just give up because no one wants to say in OU “Well I just lost to a Mantine”

    They all work in a well unison fashion and can take down quite a few Pokémon teams

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  35. Wow, I’ve just seen Sub Zero without mask, such a daddy! I mean his hairy muscular chest, tremendous biceps and perfect beard… He can fatality my clam any day.

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  36. Alolan Bellsprout makes more sense since it has only one evolutionary line or even an Alolan Victribell as they did to exeggcute changing only it’s final form

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  37. So if the Oddish line gets alolan forms, do you think it will include bellossom getting one as well? I think they should atleast give it dancer as a hidden ability. I think Alolan Oddish could be Grass/Fire, Grass/Rock, or Grass/Ground. Grass/Rock and Grass/Ground could be good types to represent the fact that it’s environment has completely changed. For some reason I think gamefreak is going to make it Grass/Fairy or Grass/Dark.Then again it’s just a rumor and should be taken with a grain of salt. I just want good move tutors. I also want some more Pokemon to get Wide guard and Quickguard.

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  38. this might be a longshot but i’m hoping the grass/poison type in question is Bulbasaur, and then by extension we get Alolan forms for Charmander and Squirtle too. something like that would certainly justify this long of a wait before the reveal…

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  39. Oddish getting Alolan forme would too good to be true though. So that means Alolan Vileplume and Alolan Bellosoom wow. Would be surprised if its Bellsprout line instead.

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  40. Bellsprout line was Grass/Poison too. Everyone seems to be forgetting this… They fit the tropical theme at a lot better and have more room to be redesigned, considering that Oddish already got a split evo in Gen II and that same evo already looks like it belongs in Hawaii. I think it would just make way more sense to focus on Bellsprout, Weepinbel, and Victreebel.

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    • To add more to my thoughts, some people noticed that the Kanto Pokemon that received Alolan forms had interesting former Pokedex entries that their Alolan forms called back to (Exeggutor being taller with more sunlight and Marowak howling for its dead mother come to mind). The Oddish line doesn’t say anything remarkable, but Victreebel’s entry in Red specifically says it grows in massive colonies deep in remote jungles. Nothing too out of the ordinary, you may say, but it does give GF something to call back to if they were making an Alolan Bellsprout line.

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