The mysterious Chinese leaker is at it again, teasing fans with new information that will be revealed soon about the upcoming games Pokémon Sun & Moon. Known for showing various “riddles” which showed hints at Solgaleo, Mimikyu and others, the user has built a reputation for being reliable, but ambiguous, source of information.

This time, they have posted about the Z-Ring which is crucial for pulling off powerful Z-Moves in the new game. It seems that there is something that we have not yet learned about the devices and the leaker says it may relate to a certain kanji (Chinese symbol). They have also stated that the information will come to light VERY SOON.

Cresselia, the Smogon user we’ve been working with since the first set of Chinese rumors, breaks it down in her video above, but the symbol in question could be 全 (zen) which means “all” or “entire”. You can see that the shape made by the Z-Ring does resemble the kanji and in Japanese the phrase “zenryoku waza” has been used to describe Z-Moves and probably is even the reason why they are called “Z”-Moves in the first place.

The above character discussion is not something new, but could be related tangentially to what the leaker is hinting at. Hopefully they’re right about the soon part and we’ll get to see some new information about the games before next Tuesday when the next scheduled Sun & Moon trailer/site update will go live.

Comment your thoughts and theories below!

<3 PJ

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  • Eian

    fidt
    sfirst

  • SomeGuy

    I wanna knooooooow

  • SomeGuy
  • Felipe Lima

    Well, I guess that he teases for new information today… but at same time he maybe refer to October 4th ne bunch of information, when I really dislike – but I think – that could be an “Z Form” to certain Pokémon like the starters and Rockruff.

  • UnburdenedLegume

    RIDDLER IS MY DRUG

  • Alyssa Dunn

    waiting til next tuesday 0ctober 4th.

  • Alyssa Dunn

    waiting
    for
    starter
    evolutions!!

  • Ultron

    If it’s just next Tuesday, why would he even bother? We already know info is coming. Tell us something we don’t know.

  • Alyssa Dunn

    there might be like 3 to 5 reveals before november 18th.

  • Alyssa Dunn
  • libra

    I’m guessing the news will revolve around how you get Z-Crystals. I thought was revealed today from her words. Yet, where the hell is the STARTER EVOLUTIONS. I’ll throw a Pikachu everyday WE DON’T GET EVOLUTIONS! https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/096eb822d02ae27eb101af52a1c49783cd4253ef30df5b32933dccb77082c06c.jpg

    • UnburdenedLegume

      Plot twist: There are no starter evolutions. Litten, Popplio and Rowlet’s stats increase gradually with each 10 levels to ensure they end up just as strong as regular starter evolutions.

    • Ultron

      Starter evos are always a corocoro thing, so I’d expect them to be revealed there first. We’ll probably see them in a trailer mid-october.

    • Mohammad Yasin

      What if gf wants to keep em secret and have us be surprised

    • Young Neil

      Usually we don’t see the starter evolutions until after the game releases, we might not be use to that because Pokemon hasn’t done many worldwide launches. If you recall, leakers had to reveal the starter evos in X&Y because we did not see them until after launch. In other words, we might not even see the evos until November.

  • Alyssa Dunn

    yeah because the starters will not reveal thier evolutions before november 18th.

  • Alyssa Dunn
  • Ithsme

    This is dissapointing. I’m not interested in Z moves in the slightest, so I’m hoping we get something else on the 4th.

    • EarthenWarrior

      i’m just waiting for them to screw up the Ground Z Move
      i have a gut feeling that it’ll be very unappealing both animation wise and name wise
      I pitched Tectonic Terrorizer which is the Pokemon slamming itself into the ground causing a massive shock wave which sends chunks of dirt and stone bursting out from all directions

      • Ithsme

        Sand Throw!

        • EarthenWarrior

  • TheSunnyMonster6893

    I’m glad you made the distinction between what was said as far as when he meant the info was coming. Some people translated the sentence as if he meant the info was coming today and some translated it as if he just meant soon like the article says. It’s the kind of thing that could get annoying as even though the Riddler is incredibly reliable at this point if someone translates or interprets what he’s saying wrong then it could turn into a very annoying he’s Real!/he’s Fake argument. ANYWAY I do think that the Z forms we’ve all been expecting could coming very soon, whether it be on the 4th or sooner. As far as it happening sooner, the only time I think we could possibly get something interesting is during the interviews that Masuda and Ohmori are doing in London. Does anyone know anything about those? They haven’t happened yet have they?

  • Alyssa Dunn

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/af696c3c6eba81ba4c27306ecd3ee1c09fe6cdb83b64e0efb658fc85e09dbca8.gif
    when the news is only Z moves and other pokemon and no starter evolutions at ALL.

    • UnburdenedLegume

      Main man Guzma

    • EarthenWarrior

      Swaguzma

    • Nintendalek42

      Oh god why would you want to associate anything, pokémon included, with Food Fight…

  • UnburdenedLegume

    BREAKING: Ash’s art style for the Sun and Moon anime series has been changed due to numerous complaints. This is not a drill (rf) https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/0a2a77f7e5d0ee45e35d352a019a3c51d18c54d5258affc7f0fc6e916994e0d7.jpg

    • Ultron

      Gotta love destroying artistic integrity :^)

    • TheSunnyMonster6893

      Lies…

    • Pikapool

      Haha I wish…

    • Rocke

      YAY pointy hair !

    • I seriously still do not see how people can prefer the old style over the new. New style is SO much better, more fluid, friendly and all round <3

    • Mohammad Yasin

      Where did u find this

    • Mohammad Yasin

      I was informed this is fake so fuck you

      • rhomba

        No Mo, fuck you.

        • Mohammad Yasin

          Wasn’t talking to you and who are u how u know my nickname

  • Alyssa Dunn

    but this is going to be so boring of a reveal. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/2c5f84ae34ac56e42c7ad49936643b03a89dd7475d9df715533defd4dc06cfb8.jpg If there are only other pokemon exept starter evolutions are left out.

  • GurenGuren

    lol z moves don’t matter to me rn
    i just want me some freaking starter evolutions!
    question- when is the next corocoro

  • mario9785ify

    I still like fennekin line more than frokie but the anime has made new like greninja more than I did when I first saw it, so I wouldn’t mind using a ash greninja for competitive or even on my main team (if I decide not pick poplio again)

  • Alyssa Dunn

    corocoro might come on october 12th or something.
    (don’t quote me on this i just guess)

    • EarthenWarrior

      dat’s my birthday

      • Alyssa Dunn

        cool whell happy early birthday:^)

      • Ithsme

        Wow that’s my brother’s birthday
        And also the 3 year anniversary of gen 6

        • EarthenWarrior

          imma gonna get me some all you can eat sushi

          • Alyssa Dunn

            enjoy the sushi man.
            I prefer dumplings, and pot stickers.

      • UnburdenedLegume

        They’re gonna reveal a new Fairy type as a birthday gift

        • Ithsme

          It’s Alolan Rhyperior.

          • UnburdenedLegume

            Water/Fairy to bring him down to the brink

        • EarthenWarrior

          and i’ll snap your neck

          • UnburdenedLegume

            NO SCEPTILE WILL PROTECT ME

          • Destiny

            your really not the most plesant fellow

          • UnburdenedLegume

            Lel he is just always grumpy, its cute

          • The Last Kurusu

            You shouldn’t call him cute

          • EarthenWarrior

            tell to the other constantly busting my balls with Fairy type this and Water/Fairy Alolan Rhyperior that

            so i ask who’s the bully

  • Rocke

    Could the pokemon grayed out in his Alolan Pokedex leak be pokemon getting Z forms ?kind of breaks it because the Gen 6 starters aren’t on there but still. I hope its true because the Johto starters are grayed out and they need some love imo

    • SomeGuy

      Well Kalos starters didn’t get Megas

    • Pharap

      They’re greyed out because they haven’t appeared in a trailer yet, all the others have.

      • Rocke

        yea but if thats the case that list would be much larger. theres far more pokemon than that that haven’t appeared. Theres a reason those grayed out ones are there. then again that could be him knowing the Dex and letting us know those are all available in game but some haven’t been shown yet. but why Johto starters? i just hope the Johto starters get some love

        • Pharap

          That’s kind of what I was trying to imply.
          They’re supposed to be his/her list of “these pokemon are returning but you haven’t seen them in a trailer yet” pokemon.

  • UnburdenedLegume

    TODAY 18 YEARS AGO, RED AND BLUE WERE RELEASED IN NORTH AMERICA.

  • Rockcrawdaunt

    I’m confised. Is this the Chinese leaker or the riddler?

    • TheSunnyMonster6893

      It’s the Riddler. Both just happen to be Chinese tho

  • Alyssa Dunn
  • TheSunnyMonster6893

    Idk about you guys, but I’m starting to come around to the new anime’s style lol

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/0c5b4b5c999d4481cabb627cc23e7c3468b54a0801ff0e6bdb9ac1183a1e7421.jpg

    • Mohammad Yasin

      Its so charming and ash doesn’t look rebooted

      • TheSunnyMonster6893

        I think the art style looks fine. Errors aside, it really doesn’t matter how it’s drawn as long as the story keeps up the same quality of the XYZ series lol

        • Mohammad Yasin

          Z moves are gonna help with that UB too

    • Ultron

      Grubbin stabbin Ash in the nose..?

      • TheSunnyMonster6893

        Would appear so lol

      • Shemar Corbin

        okay i’m definitely not watching sun and moon anime, i’ll just play the game instead, because the animation is horrible, they could have use the same animation from xy and xyz

      • Shady

        yeah and Litten burn his face an Bewear looking for crush his bones ….I think Ash suffer in Alola ……..most ppl hate animation them but I think it fit these comedy Scene perfectly.

  • Alyssa Dunn
    • Ultron

      That Celebi though lmao

    • Where did you get this? I’ve tried to find those images for 10 years…

      • Ern

        Wasn’t this for some magazine back in the day? I remember having it as well. I believe the artist drew the pokemon based off the sprites for gold/silver. This was before all of their official art was out.

      • Of Moose & Men

        Beckett Pokemon collerctor magazine.

        Good times.

    • Nintendalek42

      OMG I still have my poster of these from back in the day! I even think the french names were wonky/were wonky english names! I remember being weirded out by them as a kid!

    • Of Moose & Men

      Man, I had that magazine when I was little. Good times.

  • Alyssa Dunn

    okay that was dumb of me.

    • Haxford

      You really like commenting huh? haha

  • Alyssa Dunn
    • Spetsnaz

      Gotta love drawfee

    • Ultron

      These are amazing. Plz b real

  • Shady

    Dragon Hammer ppl is a new move known by Alolan Exeggutor.

    • TheSunnyMonster6893

      I could have sworn I saw someone tweet about it last night when I woke up from a dead sleep and thought it was fake or something…… It wasn’t until I woke up for really I realized it was the real deal. Maybe I had a premonition? hahaha

    • EarthenWarrior

      that was Wood Hammer

      • TheSunnyMonster6893

        No we’ve seen wood hammer in another trailer and it looks different. Also the text says “Dragon Hammer” in Japanese. It’s from a new clip shown in a Nintendo video they posted on their YouTube channel.

        • EarthenWarrior

          Link?

          • TheSunnyMonster6893

            I don’t know which particular video it is, but Serebii pointed it out and I’m pretty sure we’ve seen wood hammer in one of the new trailers already, which looked different. Even if it’s just my imagination about seeing wood hammer already the text doesn’t lie. Just go to Serebii to see for yourself lol

        • Mohammad Yasin

          Its a hammer made of wood its wood hammer

          • TheSunnyMonster6893

            Semantics…….hahahaha

    • Shemar Corbin

      just saw that on serebii.net

  • AlolanSandschrew

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZWRis-_2uVQ dropping them hints though *RF

    • Haxford

      He also has black and red hair

      • AlolanSandschrew

        yeah its kinda obvious,

        next interviews will be the actor from arrow & the little mermaid

      • UnburdenedLegume

        So?

        • Haxford

          > The video is posted by Pokemon
          > AlolanSandshrew states it’s a hint about Beltigre
          > The guy in the video is a professional wrestler
          > The guy in the video has black and red hair

    • Mohammad Yasin

      Coro coro usually leaks a few days early

  • Pharap

    Another article about the Chinese Riddler.
    I’ve learnt my lesson, I know what to do now.
    *leaves for other places*

    • TheSunnyMonster6893

      You really don’t like the riddler that much huh? hahaha

      • UnburdenedLegume

        Usually the case with people in denial. The riddler has proven his/her credibilty a long time ago. Its not a coincedence anymore

        • Pharap

          I can still see what you’re saying ftr.

          • UnburdenedLegume

            What??

          • Pharap

            By insinuating/assuming that I am in denial without even attempting to think that I might have other reasons for disliking the riddler, you have just justified my decision to leave and ignore articles about the Riddler.

          • Mohammad Yasin

            Y u here then

          • Pharap

            I was leaving when I saw the comment after I had finished replying to Sunny.

          • I feel ya fam.

      • Pharap

        There are a great many reasons I don’t like him/her, but people who do will just try to argue with me and tell me I’m wrong for not liking him/her so the least stressful solution is to just blank the articles about the riddler completely and go and do something fun instead.

        • TheSunnyMonster6893

          That’s very fair. Not everyone is going to agree on everything. lol

      • The Last Kurusu

        Yeah he won’t stop leaking rumors. stop the rumors they got a little stale posting one a week or changing your leak after something contradicts it

    • Chaos

      Lol, I’m pretty much in the same boat. But I’ll hang around for when the conversations change to anything other than the ‘Riddler’.

      • Pharap

        So glad I’m not alone.

        I don’t have the patience, not when there’s adventures to be had involving Skooma, Vampires, Skooma, Cave Spiders, Skooma, “Skyrim belongs to the Nords!” and more Skooma.

  • UnburdenedLegume

    Jan Itor working his Alolashipping agenda already, ffs he is annoying sometimes.

  • kev

    Seriously? So he “revealed” that a revelation is gonna be revealed soon. Really impressive. I should try this leaker thing as well…
    Ps: is it true they changed back Ash’s art style? Hope so because the new one is too many steps back from what was delivered in xyz.

    • SomeGuy

      Of course it’s not true they changed the style. What animation team with any integrity would change their art because a small subsection of angry fans? Plus they’re already a small subsection of teen/adult fans that even bother to watch the anime.

      • TheReece25

        And largely because part of the show is already made, and lots of money and work already done for marketing.

    • I tried making fake leaks once. It’s pretty fun

  • For those talking about it below: https://youtu.be/HAJoke1J9LI?t=12m37s

    Alolan Exeggutor does indeed have access to a new move called Dragon Hammer (ドラゴンハンマー)

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/9f4272ac86a851a69d01a163fc64316049a195c265b8e70b8267ee97579951ec.png

    • Haxford

      You’re ahead of me 🙁

      • I’ll wait 4 u xoxo

        • Haxford

          bae

        • belmad

          A little less conversation and a little more “touch my body”

          • I thought you were singing Tom Jones. Then I realised you were just fantasising.

            You go, girl.

          • BAWAAAHHH BWAH BWAH WHATS NEW PUSSYCAT?

          • Pharap

            Woah~ oh-oh~ oh-oh~

          • WHATS NEW PUSSYCAT?

          • Pharap

            “/! You have already made this comment.”

            Thwarted ; n ;

          • It’s not unusual!

          • Pharap

            Why? Why? Why?~ Delilah ♪

          • belmad

            Got everyone watching us, so baby let’s keep it secret, a little bit scandalous, but baby don’t let them see it…

          • thegreatcarbinkle

            OH BABY LOOK WHAT YOU STARTED THE TEMPETURE RISING

          • SEX BOMB SEX BOMB

          • thegreatcarbinkle

            cause im so into you, into you, into youuuuuuuu

  • richie_btvs

    So i think they will reveal that some pokes can attain mega form (zen?, perfect form?), after the z move…. ash greninja will be one of the examples….
    And it will be revealed on the 4th

    • TheReece25

      I would hope so, but it seems really early for that considering how little thus far they have shown.. Not even start evolutions.

  • UnburdenedLegume

    Serebii confirms that the move used by Alola Exeggutor in the trailer is called Dragon Hammer

    • TheReece25

      What’s the other hammer move. . . its Grass.. ummm Oh Wood Hammer. Nvm. It will get both, cool

      • EarthenWarrior

        I love hammers!
        The hammer is the weapon of the strong
        They are the tools of creation and direction
        And the symbol of justice and order

        • TheReece25

          Their also very slow in game combat ;P

          • EarthenWarrior

            that’s usually better
            Slower weapons usually have a very high damage

          • UnburdenedLegume

            YESSS!! BRUTE FORCE PREVAILS!!

          • EarthenWarrior
          • TheReece25

            xD

          • EarthenWarrior

            my first hand built hammer
            i scrapped a tree that blew down from a hurricane 2 blocks down
            sawed the wood myself for 2 hours
            bought the rod and bore the handle pole myself
            and i lift it every day to keep mah bi and pecs tyght

          • TheReece25

            Never hit anything with it? 😛

          • EarthenWarrior

            as much as i want to don’t
            i worked too hard on it just break it

            one of these days i’m gonna built a beating one and coat it with wax

          • TheReece25

            cool

          • TheReece25

            Yeah, yeah, yeah. . True, Tru

          • EarthenWarrior
        • WhiteSamurott

          [insert Mjolnir reference here]

    • I did say this earlier in the comments…

  • The Last Kurusu

    Wow that was very unreasourceful yet it was interesting to learn what that was

  • Leo

    We’re getting new info next week, right?

    • UnburdenedLegume

      Next Tuesday is scheduled yes

      • EarthenWarrior

        and the week after that the full power of Type: Null

        • UnburdenedLegume

          Breeding whore it is

        • Ithsme

          It’s gonna be great.

          • EarthenWarrior

            what about a Chimera Centaur with 6 Arms of varying components
            i only say this because “In its attempts to replicate opposing unmatched powered its mutant DNA caused an explosion of genetic scrambling adding on too much power then its body has room for

          • Ithsme

            Eh I like it all but the centaur. That seems too much.

          • EarthenWarrior

            well we never had a real Centaur

        • Pokemania88

          I wonder if Type:Null is the pokemon the Chinese leaks talked about being able to have different types depending on how you breed it. I mean, that would make sense but it’s probably not since they said it’s a cat.

          • belmad

            Type:Null is genderless.

            Nevertheless it can have reverse Ditto situation.

  • TheReece25

    Wow the Monster Hunter graphic look pretty good.. n wide open. Better than Pokemon I would say. . why is that? :/

  • qolf

    What is Ash Greninja? I hope this isn’t going digimon where you morph together with the pokemon

    • roy_vos

      Dude where do you sleep? Under a rock?

      • qolf

        No, in my bed. Ya know? Like a normal person does. Because I have a life to attend to that doesn’t require me to know every last thing about Pokemon. Just because I like to play the game doesn’t mean i’m required to dedicate my life to being informed on everything about it. Its just a videogame, not a lifestyle. So just because Pokemon is the #1 thing you’re focused on, doesn’t mean I live under a rock, tbh its probably the other way around. I don’t even really play videogames anymore, so what makes you think i’m gonna go out my way and watch anime, and look at every news feed to see what Ash Greninja is. So instead of answering the question, you’d rather say some dumb shii instead. Nice👏👏👏

        • Ithsme

          To be fair it’s been a huge discussion for months now.

          • qolf

            Your point? I just dug out Pokemon Alpha Sapphire to finish it since a new game is coming out. Haven’t touched the game since a year ago like a week after i copped it. All i do is go on Serebii and here and watch the new trailers that reveal new pokemon.

          • The Last Kurusu

            Well your sounding a little rude about it try to calm down

          • qolf

            I am calm. i was jus lettin him know how it is lol.

        • woah you ok fam?

          • qolf

            lmao im coolin💀

    • UnburdenedLegume

      So judging by your below reply, you dont watch the anime series?

      Ash-Greninja is a unique transformation, where Ash’s Greninja takes on the appearance of Ash and gains an immense boost in both speed and power. It actually surpasses most Mega Evolved Pokemon.

      And no, it is not a morph. Its a fusion of the mind. Both Ash and his Greninja share the same heartbeat and their minds are synchronized. So when Greninja takes damage, Ash feels that pain too

      • qolf

        gotcha

  • wwwwwwzx

    not 全 it’s 仝 he said before

    • TheReece25

      Meaning..?

      • belmad

        Thong

      • wwwwwwzx

        =同 same,alike/together

      • wwwwwwzx

        same/together

        • TheReece25

          Wow. Omg.. . Synchro Evolution here we come!

  • TigerMasku
    • belmad

      Well fire starter looks like it could be real Pokemon. Its starts like it has a very good potential but evolves into some fucked up humanoid shit.

      • TigerMasku

        Lol

    • EarthenWarrior

      ehh two hoofed creatures…repetitive

      • TigerMasku

        Yeah, you can tell it’s repetitive when you look at 2nd and the 3rd evos of the grass and water types

    • Ithsme

      I really like the first and second stages but the third seem over designed.

    • Ultron

      The water one looks a bit too much like Cobalion for me

    • Chaos

      Up to the middle evolutions they look all right. But I don’t like the final evolutions at all

  • Pokemania88

    I really hope this Z move stuff doesn’t go more into depth. Maybe its just that you can mega evolve with it or something but other than that please game freak don’t give us another synchro thing or something.

    • TheReece25

      You know what else… Next Gen will likely bring Another form of evolution 😛

  • TheReece25

    I don’t know if you guys watch the theory videos online like Lockstin and Game Theory, but based on what they are saying.. Next Gen will Likely have Another new form of evolution. Not to mention the possibility of Synchro this Gen.
    They’ve all but said that this is a Dimension with Mega evolution but the Pokemon in the Dimension we started in Also have learned to Evolve in new way on their own without it.
    Hinted in the Pokemon Break cards. So I can’t wait for that! 😛
    Though part of me IS thinking this is getting to be a little much .. hehe

    • TheReece25

      *edited

    • Ithsme

      What did Game theory say?

      • That Sans is Ness and Wario is 10 feet tall

      • TheReece25

        I watched so many videos.. I don’t completely remember. Basically just what I said.. We started in a different Dimesnion than we currently are in on the 3DS

  • Ultron

    So I hatched a shiny gible (woo…) and it’s 5IV but missing the one in attack. Darn

    • TCRowlet

      Bottle Caps!

      • Ultron

        Oh, yeah…forgot those were a thing. Too bad Shiny Garchomp kinda sucks

        • TCRowlet

          Shiny Mega Garchomp on the other hand…

          • Ultron

            barfff

          • TCRowlet

            :0

    • Monkeyfuzz

      That happened to me with Tyrunt. I hope Bottle Caps aren’t too rare, ’cause I’m gonna need quite alot.

  • EarthenWarrior

    http://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/monotype-348799720
    this is why Mamoswine had to be extinct
    BECAUSE OF MAJOR PWNAGE

    • Chaos

      Lol. That guys team though.

      • EarthenWarrior

        yeah but who doesn’t love a full sweep

    • Daniel Cioffi

      You should not brag about full sweeping someone who tried to use thunder wave on a ground type pokemon…

  • http://imgur.com/mpQQJKW

    So this kind of stuff is allowed but not fan games that were made out of love for the games they are based on?

    • Chaos

      I don’t know what that is

      • It’s one of those bootleg pokemon apps where they lure people in with pokemon or pokemon looking characters as a quick cash grab

        • Chaos

          Yeh, that’s probably not allowed either, just GF has no clue about it so it hasn’t been shut down…or it’s not as troublesome to the Pokemon brand as a fan game.

          Honestly I understand GF wanting to protect their intellectual property. They own Pokemon so can allow and disallow whatever they want. It’s how the law works, and honestly if I had created something like Pokemon you can be damned sure I would do everything in my power to protect it from being exploited.

          Just my opinion on the matter.

          • But I mean, even sega and valve are cool with fan games. Why can’t Nintendo?

          • Chaos

            Everyone has personal views on the matter. Some people don’t mind kids jumping into their gardens to retrieve their footballs e.t.c. Others simply won’t allow it.
            In most cases laws like this hold such that people will only be prosecuted if the company decides to press charges. So the power lies with the company itself. Sega and Valve are Ok with it, Nintendo isn’t. It’s really as simple as that.

          • I’m not arguing that they can’t do this, it just really doesn’t look good for them

          • Chaos

            Personally I don’t feel it hurts their image all that much. How many fans are their of Pokemon? and how many are aware of or have played any of the fan games?

          • thegreatcarbinkle

            laws can be weird. There this case that these people founded a coffee shop called dumb starbucks, everything on the menu was similar to starbucks but starbucks could not do anything about it because there is law that says permits them to do that

          • Chaos

            Yeh, there are definitely loopholes people can exploit, and some ridiculous things that I’ve heard of in the news.
            There was an article where the creators of No Mans Sky had to get to permission from Sky TV to use the word ‘Sky’ in their title.

    • Daniel

      Uranium? It had an awful art direction.. I rather they don’t associate that product with PKMN.

  • UnburdenedLegume

    I discovered today I am really digging Steel types. Absolutely love them lol

    • Chaos

      Welcome to the club. Steel Types are the best.

      • TheReece25

        I suppose fairy is my fave… so.. ._.

        • Chaos

          I actually never really thought about it much until I started battling and realised how much I enjoy using Steel Types. I guess It makes sense since my favourite Pokemon is Metagross

        • ROBOT FAIRY >:D

      • UnburdenedLegume

        Have developed a serious fondness for Aggron

        • Chaos

          I had this thing where I used to use Rock Head Aggron and hit things with Stab Head Smashes, and when they thought I wasn’t a mega so they send in something with a fighting or ground move to finish me off….Bam Mega Evolve, tank the hit and Heavy Slam them.

      • The Last Kurusu

        I love Steel Steelix is the Best Steel type though

        • Chaos

          I’ve used Steelix in some of the lower tiers on Showdown, work wonders if played correctly.

          My faves are Metagross, Scizor and Ferrothorn. I also like Aggron, Magnezone is fun, Mawile is pretty cool too.

          Dialga is a beast, I used to use a support set in Ubers.

    • TheReece25

      Time to replace Sceptile for a Skarmory

      • UnburdenedLegume

        Thats never happening. Sceptile is my spiritual animal, it embodies everything I am as a human. But besides that, it is simply the best Pokemon ever.

        • TheReece25

          He’s on my Gen 3 team. So, I get it 😛

    • EarthenWarrior

      like whut

      • UnburdenedLegume

        Love them

        • EarthenWarrior

          like specifics

          • Ultron

            Magnezone is the best steel type. Proven fact

          • EarthenWarrior

            *yawn* one Earthquake and its dead
            sure you can try to use HP Ice or hold on with Sturdy but you’ll die

          • Ultron

            Same could be said for Rhypherior in regards to water and grass types, Mr. Earthen

          • EarthenWarrior

            it could but i’m talking bout Magnezone V Ground
            you always gotta bring up my weaknesses on the fly
            i rarely get the upper hand

          • Ultron

            I’m just saying…generally anything with x4 weaknesses is gonna get wrecked by that typing

          • EarthenWarrior

            well you don’t know how it feels to a shit-ton of weaknesses

          • Ultron

            Well Volcarona does have a x4 weakness and rock just got a priority move so I can kinda understand.

          • ice

          • EarthenWarrior

            only three
            i have 6 i gotta deal with

          • Ultron

            Ice/Grass, one of the worst type combos probably ever

          • UnburdenedLegume

            But Abomasnow is a beast though

          • Ultron

            7 weaknesses though…yikes..

          • UnburdenedLegume

            Indeed, but its still a very strong Pokemon imo

          • Ultron

            Yeah but the combo itself is pretty bad. 4 resistances and 0 immunities isn’t anything to write home about

          • EarthenWarrior

            Bug/grass

          • Ultron

            Also terrible

          • UnburdenedLegume

            Luckily only two sets of those, Paras line and Sewaddle line

          • UnburdenedLegume

            You mean as in a particular Pokemon? Aggron, Scizor and Skarmory are my favourites, closely followed by Magnezone, Aegislash and Ferrothorn

          • EarthenWarrior

            oi that’s all the same generic steel types but then again only so many in this world

          • UnburdenedLegume

            I could say Klefki, but you dont like Fairies 😛

          • EarthenWarrior

            i really don’t like Steel types competitively lately

          • UnburdenedLegume

            Surprising. I thougt you preferred the more bulky and/or sturdy Pokemon

          • EarthenWarrior

            truthfully i prefer a massive offense in place of set ups and walls
            brute force is my forte

            but this freaking meta is nothing but walls and stalls so annoying

          • UnburdenedLegume

            Could swap Skarmory for Bisharp, come to think of it

    • TCRowlet

      Grass and Flying are my two favorite types…not very effective against Steel 🙁

      • Chaos

        Steel Master Race.

        Remind me of myself, not easily damaged, unless punched or burnt.

        • EarthenWarrior

          Or split in half by fissures

        • TCRowlet

          Ha xD I’m an easy going person, which kinda fits with Grass and Flying. They’re relaxing types imo. Steel is my 4th favorite type, and Steven is the greatest Champion.

          • Chaos

            Personally I can handle a lot, and do whatever to avoid conflict, but I won’t hesitate to defend myself if I have to.
            Steven is obviously the best. Maining my boy Metagross and dressing to impress. Looking suave as hell.

          • Ultron

            Steven poses 0 challenge, even with his precious mega. Iris, Lance, Alder..all more challenging

          • TCRowlet

            Skarmory set up, Cradily extremely annoying, and Mega Metagross will shit through your team. Try challenging him without the handicap of the exp all and turning battle style to “Set” instead of “Switch.”

            His re-match team on the other hand…well that’s an extreme disappointment and whoever is responsible should be fired.

          • Ultron

            Eh, maybe in Gen 3. Gen 6 everyone was easy.

          • TCRowlet

            I disagree! Gen 6 is really hard without exp share.

          • Ultron

            Idk, man. I pretty much blew through any and everyone in X&Y and the gym leaders in ORAS were all horribly weak. I never use exp. share either

          • TCRowlet

            I’ve had a different experience so my opinion is different xD I’ve been replaying Y, no exp share, battle style on set, and no healing during battles, and the game has been getting difficult around Laverre City. And in OR I played through the same rules, and it was definitely challenging. Tate and Liza were shit, but Steven’s Metagross was running rampant. That thing will OHKO almost anything.

          • Chaos

            It also very much depends on your team. Having a good Water Type/Ground Type makes the fight a lot easier in my opinion. I had two fighting types, a poison type and a fairy type….so yeh I had fun with him.

            Also gym leaders in ORAS were indeed weak, but in Emerald I actually struggled with some.

          • Golden_Monferno

            I know Norman is a Gym Leader that some struggled with, yet he was pretty easy for me because of Aron using Protect on the turns his Slakings don’t have Truant

          • Ultron

            He was hard in Emerald, not really anything else

          • Golden_Monferno

            Yeah, but even so he wasn’t too hard, yet it was harder for other players so I don’t want to come across as a bragger

          • Chaos

            I don’t think I ever struggled with Norman. But Tate and Liza were tough in Emerald. Also Brawley could be tough but I always used Ralts. Watson could be hard as well since there are no ground types available before getting to him (except marshtomp, which makes it so much easier)

            Talking only about Emerald here, never really played the original RS.

          • Ultron

            That’s true, I do plan my teams accordingly

          • Chaos

            He actually used Spikes with Skarmory and sets up Screens with Claydol before sending out Mega Metagross (which will outspeed your Blaziken and one shot it). I had to ensure my Blaziken was in before he megas, so I could get off a hit…

          • TCRowlet

            His original team is absolutely one of the best, tbh I wish his re-match team was just left as his original team. They took out his threats and replaced them with a fragile Aerodactyl and an offensive Carbink. It just doesn’t make sense.

          • Chaos

            I like his original team. I know every one says he’s a Steel Specialist, which fair enough he is. But to say that makes him easier than those without a speciality is frankly stupid. His team is more diverse than people give him credit for…

          • TCRowlet

            100% agree with you. He does specialize in Steel types, but he’s also a fossil maniac and his team is reflective of that. And they all work together and pose a challenge to those not prepared.

          • Chaos

            Who said anything about challenging?

            I found Iris, Lance and Alder incredibly easy. I never played the original RS so I have no idea how Steven was in them (Played Emerald and Wallace was easy). In ORAS he was Ok, but the games were incredibly easy and I was overleveled (same for Diantha). Cynthia was a little tough in DP, a lot easier in Platinum.

          • Ultron

            I said! I do like Steven though. Challenge mode in ORAS would’ve helped the games immensely though

          • Chaos

            I have numerous reasons to like Steven. Challenging or not, he’s my favourite champion.

          • UnburdenedLegume

            I liked Grass a lot up until gen 3 but I lost interest in them ever since, although I do like Torterra. But Rowlet sparked my interest again, so who knows.

          • TCRowlet

            Rowlet might rival Altaria for my favorite Pokemon ever. Depends how much I enjoy using one, but on design alone, especially that final evolution, it’s all I could ever hope for.

          • Ultron

            Cynthia is laughing in her villa

          • TCRowlet

            My biggest fan dream (Besides going back to Kalos and the Battle Frontier returning) is having a double battle against Steven and Cynthia. Two best Champions imo.

          • Ultron

            Sounds…evil. You would need a strong dragon or water pokemon for garchomp. Ice types would be killed by steven.

          • EarthenWarrior

            Mine would be to have an animated battle with my Pokemon

      • UnburdenedLegume

        Steel is not my favourite typing, I just happen to like them more and more. Water and Dark remain my favourites, closely followed by Electric

  • Haxford
    • I think this thing is goona be like Typhlosion, ie sometimes goes on all 4s

      • Ultron

        *something that sometimes goes on all 4’s but never really does and is almost always depicted as bipedal garbage*

        • Green

          Quilava is better imo

          • Ultron

            O yes. Totodile is the better johto starter though, imo

          • The Last Kurusu

            Yup but can you guess who is even better? Take a wild guess at Gen.2

          • Ultron

            Croconaw

          • The Last Kurusu

            No look not an evo. Keep guessing your in the right type

          • …. Feraligatr??

          • Ultron

            Kurusu…?

          • The Last Kurusu

            *Ding Ding Ding* we got a winner!!!!!!

          • Too bad it does not exist :3

          • The Last Kurusu

            Yeah. 🙁

          • It is cute though

          • The Last Kurusu

            Thank you

          • Ultron

            I wonder if they’ll ever use it as inspiration for a future pokemon. They could incorporate it somewhere

          • The Last Kurusu

            Yeah it’s so cute and simplistic it could work as a new Water type

          • Ultron

            Probably not as a starter unless they made it more detailed though

          • It looks kinda like a Lapras pre-evo

          • Ultron

            I thought so too

      • Ithsme

        The belt makes me doubt that.

    • zess

      Wow this art shows it in a whole new light. I think it’s finally starting to grow on me.

  • PumpkinBomb

    isnt that the same person who said that rainbow greninja will be announce like 2 months ago ?

    • Chaos

      I love Rainbow Greninja, so colourful

    • UnburdenedLegume

      No that was a random guy on 4chan

  • PumpkinBomb

    also wasnt the new infor suppose to be on 4 october ?

  • UnburdenedLegume
    • Haxford

      One of my favorites is this one:

      • UnburdenedLegume

        • Haxford

          Even though it hasn’t been long, it feels so nostalgic!

        • I like the more upbeat and fun battle themes. It is kinda tiring having them all be A FIERCE BATTLE DECIDING THE FUTURE OF THIS WORLD

          • UnburdenedLegume

            SuMo wild battle theme is fierce! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Csly8e_D0MQ

          • Ithsme

            Then I’m sure you’ll like Hau’s theme. It fits him so well. But that’s why I dislike Iris’ theme. The fun upbeat themes are great for casual battles, but this is the deciding battle for the Pokemon league, final boss of the game, and it seems too fun for that.

          • I think it fits Iris so well though. The sparkley sounds are really cool and I see it more at “Hell yeah! We doin this!”

            I do like Hau’s theme but I prefer a fan recreation I heard with a Hawaiian choir singing in the background in certain parts.

          • Ithsme

            Yeah, I really liked that recreation as well (Pokeli I think). What bothers me isn’t that it doesn’t fit Iris, what bothers me is that this is the final boss, if you win you replace her as the champion, it should be “oh let’s have a fun battle!”

          • UnburdenedLegume

            Omg Hau theme is gonna be special, I just know it

          • Ithsme

            It’s already revealed, if you don’t know.

          • UnburdenedLegume

            I didn’t

          • It can be heard in the newest trailer I think

        • Ithsme

          Hugh’s theme is much better.

          • oh god no

          • Ithsme

            Oh god yes. It fits him so well, and IMO it defines what a rival battle should be. Intimidating yet fun.

          • UnburdenedLegume

            Its nice. I like ORAS rival theme a lot too

    • The Last Kurusu

      I to be honest lost to Zinnia even with Mega Rayquaza

      • Zinnia is bae ♥‿♥

        • UnburdenedLegume

          Aster is so cute <3

          • Ithsme

            Aster was what really caught my attention in the delta episode. I kept waiting for it to be explained, but sadly it never did. Hopefully if we see Zinnia again, that’ll be explained.

          • UnburdenedLegume

            Both are flower names and the Pokemon Company director did say Sun and Moon will have a lot to do with flowers. So I agree with you, I hope we’ll see them again

          • Ithsme

            I want to see Blue so bad. O_O

          • SpectralSeraph

            Can we really make assumptions? I mean, by flowers they could have just meant the fifty thousand sun and moon characters named after flowers

          • I always thought Aster was Zinnia’s daughter, who died, so she named the Whimsur after dead daughter.

          • Green

            Zinnia is Hau’s Mother Cunfurm

        • The Last Kurusu
        • Monkeyfuzz

          I don’t think she’s poo at all.

      • UnburdenedLegume

        Lol u wut

      • Ithsme

        Not to be mean, but how? I didn’t even lose one Pokemon. ORAS was too easy (but that’s just gen 6 for you).

        • UnburdenedLegume

          Its virtually impossible with Rayquaza being 10 levels higher and having Dragon Pulse+Extremespeed

          • Ithsme

            If I was making the delta episode, I’d give Zinnia a more diverse team and make the battle BEFORE you get Rayquaza somehow. What was supposed to be a powerful post game boss was a huge pushover.

        • The Last Kurusu

          I had on my team

          Swampert
          Linoon
          Cosplay Pikachu
          Castform
          Hariyama
          Rayquaza

          She got some but Salamance kept using its best move and 1Ko’d all and I almost beat it with Dragon Ascent

          • UnburdenedLegume

            Lol you used Linoone and Cosplay Pikachu for your endgame? Castform is also questionable tbh

          • The Last Kurusu

            I had Swellow with Boomburst but I boxed it for Rayquaza and I might have had a Typhlosion from Proffesor Birtch but I can’t remember

            And Cosplay cause I vowed to use it for battle to prove it’s a good battler I kinda proved it, Linoon for it was my second Pokemon and I almost always keep it on my team, and Castform I for the same reason as Pikachu

          • Ithsme

            Dragon Ascent OHKO’d Salamence for me. Weird.

          • UnburdenedLegume

            You must have been underleveled then

          • The Last Kurusu

            Around the 60’s

          • UnburdenedLegume

            Team I used v Zinnia

            Swampert
            Froslass
            Aggron
            Gallade
            Rayquaza

            Also had Wailmer, but that was purely for Surf

          • The Last Kurusu

            I added almost instantly after added Glalie to my ranks

          • UnburdenedLegume

            I needed a Ghost type for the elite 4 and I already had Banette on Omega Ruby, so I had to choose between Duskull and Froslass

          • The Last Kurusu

            I can’t remember what my counter was

        • The Last Kurusu

          And no doesn’t sound mean to me I’m a tad bit

          • The Last Kurusu

            Odd in wining and losing

      • I’d lead with Ray, so Salamence won’t even get to set up.

        (AFAIK the latter was a setup sweeper.)

  • Raphael

    i wonder what tomorrow the leaker is talking about: in japan?

    • TheSunnyMonster6893

      I think it comes down to people not knowing how to translate what he said. He could have meant “tomorrow” or he could have just meant really soon. Hard to say, but of we don’t get something before Friday I’d say that he meant it abiut the announcement on Tuesday

  • Lugaroco

    MEGAS!

    • The Last Kurusu

      Mega Politoed!!!!!

  • The Last Kurusu

    Oh God kids don’t look up Zinnia then click the Zinnia r34 related search trust me that is not a smart idea

    • None of it is good anyways ಠ╭╮ಠ

      • The Last Kurusu

        True yet how did it get spot 1# on related searches on Google for Zinnia Pokemon?

        • Me. Disappointed. Like come on guys, we can do so much better

        • Green

          Because if you look up ANY Girl from ANY thing, the first suggestion is always [Insert name] hot, [Insert name] r34, [Insert name] x [Insert Name 2]

    • EarthenWarrior

      feh i’ve seen way more messed up shit

      • Deerlia

        Your mother’s rocky buttox doesn’t count…

  • UnburdenedLegume
    • Does it bug anyone else when they call it “The Origins” instead of just Origins. IDK. Ifeel obliged to drop some music so

  • Wes

    I wonder how Instruct will work if a Z-move is used. Hopefully it’ll have no effect. :p

    • Probably. The same way thief doesn’t steal megastones

      • Ithsme

        I learned that one the hard way.

    • Monkeyfuzz

      If it does I can see many teams running highly Defensive Oranguru for this purpose alone. Much as I love Oranguru I hope that it’s like StarStorm says.

  • Shady

    This day almost ended ….so where’s the news?……these useless humanz.

      • Shady

        I am talking about these Chinese leakers ……stop remind me though I have my philosophy and my own reason.

        • Well I mean, Humans are the most intelligent beings in the known universe so that’s pretty cool

          • Shady

            This is actually my problem with them they think they r most intelligent creatures and they did all these shit …when I call them humanz I want they remember wat r they really r.

          • Humans?

          • Shady

            wat is ur question?

          • Just reaffirming that we are humans, the most evolved creatures on this planet? Like yeah, we do some f**ked up shit and alot of people are just pretty terrible, but we also are capable of higher order thinking so that’s pretty great

          • Shady

            Don’t worry you’re not in the circle of my hatred.

          • I mean, I don’t really care if I am. I’m just saying that you aren’t a perfect saint. We all kinda suck in our own ways.

          • Shady

            Saints r more disgusting y u think I looks like that ad yeah I am not perfect
            and I think we can’t discus my theories about human here cuz ppl don’t care about it they r just here for pokemon and that’s better.

          • I mean I’m down to talk philosophy. I can be René Descartes up in this shit. If only this was philosophyjungle

          • Shady

            philosophyjungle sound good I hope this really exist …..actually PJ learn me real english ….I hope there is Japanese PJ.

          • Green

            I can be René Descartes up in this shit ~Star 2016

          • Green

            Technically, you can’t refer to humans as a whole in the third person, because you fit into that whole..

          • Ultron

            Robotz r smarterer.

          • Shady

            Just if they were made by alien.

          • Ah ha! I’ve had my suspicions but this confirms it! You’re a robot!

          • Ultron

            Shoot, what gave it away?

          • The Last Kurusu

            The intelligence

          • Ultron

            I like this guy

      • Green

        Hey! That’s my line!

    • TheSunnyMonster6893

      The translation of what the riddler said was in question. People weren’t sure whether he meant today or just soon in general. Hard to say for sure until we get whatever he’s talking about.

      • That’s convenient

        • TheSunnyMonster6893

          Hardly. It’s not his fault others can’t translate what he said. It’s not like he’s speaking in a language that he made up or anything. Sometimes it’s hard to get the correct meaning when translating between languages

      • Shady

        I still don’t believe it though.

    • Green

      You COULD just say “These useless LEAKERS”

      • Shady

        hey stop correcting me ….I can say wat I want.

        • It would be more accurate that way since it’s just leakers and not humanity as a whole?

  • TheReece25

    I’m a little worried Ash Greninja will have great KO move but lose protean. If they handle this right.. it will likely be the most used give away Pokemon

    • Ultron

      That would be a good thing though. It’s already annoying

      • TheReece25

        depending who u ask . . .

        • Ultron

          Yeah, anyone other than greninja fanboys

          • Greninja is ok but it isn’t that bad

          • Ultron

            We hates it!

          • Gollninja

  • Ithsme

    Why is it that I feel like everyone I leave, a, how do I put this, weird conversation happens. xD
    Anyway, people here seem to post teams for their playthrough a lot, so here’s my team in SS. I just beat Morty.
    – Quilava Lv. 23
    – Slowpoke Lv. 21
    – Aipom Lv. 22
    – Golbat Lv. 23

    • Aipom is one of those pokemon that I always want to use but always choose something else over it

      • Ithsme

        I decided to replace Sentret for Aipom. It just didn’t work for me. :/

        • It takes some dedication and TMs. I understand the choice. Aipom is pretty cool though!

        • Good move!

        • Exeledus

          noooo! you cant remove the Furret-Turret! who else will mischievously rummage through your sock drawer, and you get mad for a moment before realizing how freaking adorable a furret in a sock drawer is, and all is forgeiven.
          what was this about again?

    • Vlad

      I personally can never go back to playing an old gen game after a new gen comes out. I just end up missing all of the newer features and Pokemon so much that I can’t even enjoy playing one of the older games. Tried playing yellow yesterday and I was just like aaaghh this fucking sucks

      • IMO, it’s more fun to watch professional speedruns of old Pokemon games than to play them. It’s way less boring when they explain the builds they do and try some glitches/exploits.

        AGDQ 2016 Pokemon Yellow glitchless, and SGDQ 2016 Pokemon Red race are two of my favorites to watch and re-watch.

    • Green

      Wow. Maybe I’ve been over training. I just beat Bugsy and my Pokémon are level 23. (Then again I only have 3)

  • Shady

    Again who said anime style is bad? http://i.4cdn.org/vp/1475114477957.png

    • Ithsme

      Look at the other images on the scan. Then you’ll see why.

      • Shady

        Changing the style of the anime and make it sarcastic that will not make me hate it maybe that will make me freaking love it and In my opinion this them will fit SM perfectly ……and I am sure ppl will change their mind about that.

        • Green

          What do you mean by sarcastic?

          • Shady

            Comic, ironic …..etc.

      • I’m looking. I’m liking.

    • Ultron

      Most people seem to have trouble with the character art. The pokemon appear largely unchanged

      • Shady

        I agree with first part but only time can change their mind not me……but pkmn design r actually different u can look at charizard to figure it out his face and body scale looks like classic one and that a good thing for me.

    • Green

      The human characters look bad. Pokémon are fine.

      • Vlad

        Ding ding ding

    • Monkeyfuzz

      Where’s the rest of the scan, anyone?

    • Vlad

      Dragon turtle looks pretty fucking bad ass. Wonder what his stats will look like

      • Green

        Base Stats:
        Defense: 250
        Attack: 20
        Speed: 20
        Sp. Defense: 250
        Sp. Attack: 20
        HP: 20
        😛

    • If you liked anime style, then don’t mind the people who don’t like it. Don’t try to convince the others to like it, either. You probably won’t succeed. <3

  • joker901

    50 days left to Sun & Moon!

    • If you put it that way, it suddenly feels like it’s an eternity to wait. 🙂

      • joker901

        We have been waiting almost 700 days for a new game. I don’t think 50 days are that scary right now…

        • Think of it as your statement piling on another (seeming) eternity on top of the past eternity. Or making time slow down. 😀

  • Thunderbird

    Looks like the Chinese leaker was false in terms of new information xx

    • Spetsnaz

      How so?

    • TheSunnyMonster6893

      Not really. People just couldn’t get a handle on how to interpret the translations. Chinese is a difficult language and on top of that with the different versions of it,use of slang, and the Riddler being over all mysterious there was really no clear answer. What he said COULD have meant that we’d get info yesterday OR it could have just meant the info he was hinting at was coming soon. I’d bet that that he meant soon rather than a specific day. Probably on the fourth we’ll get whatever he was talking about.

  • knightwolf09

    http://i.4cdn.org/vp/1475088434896.png

    You dang kids, always complainin bout yur “not quadraped starter”, gettin mad for lookin too Fire/Fighting, saying nothing about it relates to Litten when there’s plenty that do, betraying your own expectations by setting yur standards too high, ratsa fratsa ratsa fratsa.

    • wait! where is this coming from? :O

      • knightwolf09

        I found this comic on 4chan and thought it was beast looking. I thought other people would like to see it too.

    • “Time for a Lesson… you may have heard these words before but now I’ll teach you what they REALLY MEAN, GO BEYOND! PLUS ULTRAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!”

  • where are ma leaks?

  • Nickerton

    So Ash had a z stone and didn’t even know 😮

  • Peridotti

    I am from the future, the leak refers to the z-rings ability to mega evolve Pokémon. Btw Dartrix for life!