You there, Trainer – what day is it? Why, today’s the day we embrace the Christmas spirit and revisit some of the most powerful Ice types of competitive Pokémon past!
The Ice type has a very checkered history. The Pokémon community has often considered it one of the worst types in the game on account of its myriad weaknesses and lack of resistances, but it’s also one of the best offensive types going with accurate and powerful moves that punish many highly-used competitive threats. Even within this single type there’s a great variety of strategies and playstyles to choose from, with the result that Pokémon Showdown OU has always featured at least one Ice species regardless of generation.
As the winter winds draw in, stoke the fire and prepare for a visitation from the frigid fighters that have played integral roles in past OU formats – scroll down, and know them better, man!
Gen 1: Jynx

Sleep is a very powerful mechanic in Gen 1 due to the fact that waking up takes up a full turn, making it possible to keep a Pokémon asleep indefinitely. Despite the existence of Sleep clause limiting the number of sleeping Pokémon to one per team, a sleep-inducer is near-mandatory on every Gen 1 team.
This is where Jynx shines. Gengar might be the fastest sleep-inducer with Hypnosis and Exeggutor might be the most reliable with good accuracy and bulk, but Jynx has a potent mix of both speed and accuracy with Lovely Kiss. 95 Special is also good by Gen 1 standards, and there are numerous Pokémon in OU that acutely dislike having to take a powerful, 90%-accurate Blizzard to the face including Zapdos, Rhydon and Golem. Even Chansey, an otherwise extremely reliable counter, can be rendered useless through a deceptively decent Freeze chance of 10%.
Though Psychic is certainly one of the best types in Gen 1, it doesn’t actually provide much for Jynx beyond a means of keeping Gengar at bay and the ability to switch in on fellow Psychics (though most of them will still beat Jynx if Sleep clause is active). In fact, there’s a case to be made that Ice has never been better than it was in Gen 1, where Fighting and Fire types are all but irrelevant to top-tier play and the best Rock types are extremely vulnerable to Blizzard.
The Gen 1 meta isn’t all kind to Jynx though. To this day the Human Shape Pokémon has appalling physical defences and Kanto’s most dangerous threats can take full advantage of this, threatening easy KOs. This especially applies to Tauros, the most powerful Pokémon in Gen 1 OU, which effortlessly outspeeds and 2HKOs Jynx – if Jynx has taken almost any prior damage, Tauros can even 1HKO with Hyper Beam!
Honourable mention: Articuno

The first of the legendary bird trio boasts the title of possessing the most powerful Blizzard in the game, along with gargantuan stats all round. Unfortunately, Articuno is lumbered with a barren movepool, limiting its effective utility to spamming Ice moves.
Gen 2 and 3: Cloyster

One of the most impactful moves released in Gen 2 is undoubtedly Spikes, the first of the so-called entry hazards. The move’s distribution is incredibly limited in Gold and Silver; the only two viable users are Forretress and Cloyster, and of the two, Cloyster is the less passive.
Surf might not hit neutral targets for vast amounts of damage but is super-effective against some of the best Pokémon in the Gen 2 Meta, including Nidoking and Marowak. It also enables Cloyster to beat Forretress one-on-one, a common matchup given that both species also possess Rapid Spin to remove the Spikes of the other. Even specially-bulky Pokémon such as Raikou are not truly safe, as Cloyster has a nuclear option in Explosion that can help open up gaps for other teammates.

The situation is remarkably similar in Gen 3. This time, Cloyster has to contend with Skarmory as the new spiker on the scene, but the bivalve remains much more offensively capable than most of the relevant competition. Here, Ice Beam is more of a viable option given the introduction of quad-weak Dragons (namely Salamence and Flygon), but Surf remains ideal for striking Metagross and the massively dominant Tyranitar. Cloyster also matches well against Claydol, one of the most popular Rapid Spin users of the time.
Special attackers are the bane of Cloyster’s existence in both generations, particularly those that use Electric moves. Raikou and Zapdos might be prime targets for a well-timed Explosion but they otherwise have no issue zapping Cloyster. Worse yet, Thunderbolt is a very common move and inflicts horrendous damage even without STAB, making the ubiquitous Starmie and Gengar dangerous foes.
Gen 4: Mamoswine

The physical/special typing split that existed in Gens 1-3 resulted in pretty much all the relevant Ice types having a special bent, as borne out by the previous entries on this list. Gen 4 changed all this when individual moves were assigned either physical or special status, and this coincided with not only the creation of solid new priority with Ice Shard but the emergence of a terrifying powerhouse, Mamoswine.
The Twin Tusk Pokémon is not a subtle beast – it has a massive Attack stat and the offensive typing and moves to abuse it! Earthquake hits like a truck from 130 Attack and pairs well with the omnipresent Stone Edge for flying opponents. Ice Shard can also strike foes from the sky regardless of how many Speed boosts they might have, while Superpower provides coverage for the few targets that resist both Ice and Ground. By forcing switches with threatening attacks, Mamoswine can even find opportunities to set up Stealth Rock, thus providing useful role compression and obviating the need for another team member to carry the move.
Mamoswine’s weaknesses are still as awful as expected from an Ice type, but Ground typing actually helps mitigate some of Mamoswine’s issues surprisingly well. Though it leaves Mamoswine vulnerable to Grass and Water attacks, it also renders it immune to chip damage from Sandstorm and halves the damage it would otherwise take from Stealth Rock. These might seem minor boons, but they’re valuable on a hit-and-run wallbreaker that sometimes uses Life Orb for flexibility and wants to retain enough HP to buffer against priority moves or weaker attacks.
Still, Mamoswine is far from fast and Gen 4 is the instalment that first truly turns up the dial on offensive power. In particular, Mamoswine has absolutely no business trying to take on Fighting types such as Infernape, Heracross and Lucario, which all pack the highly-spammable Close Combat. Scizor also rises to prominence in this Gen, and it has no difficulty scoring a clean 1HKO with a Choice Band, Technician Bullet Punch.
Honourable mention: Weavile

Look, another Gen 4 physical Ice attacker! Compared to Mamoswine, Weavile trades some Attack and any resemblance of bulk for a fantastic Speed stat of 125. However, the Sharp Claw Pokémon is somewhat held back in its inaugural Gen by an unfortunate movepool – the strongest physical STAB move in Weavile’s arsenal is Ice Punch, with only 75 power (though a clever player will often use Weavile for Pursuit-trapping purposes).
Weavile gains a massive boost in Gen 6 with a supremely-buffed Knock Off, but at this point the thunder had already been stolen by the next entrant on this list…
Gen 5 to 7: Black Kyurem

It’s an unfortunate indictment of the negative qualities of the Ice type that a box-art mascot legendary with absurdly high stats was allowed to compete in OU over Ubers by the competitive community, but Black Kyurem is still a monster when viewed through a standard-play lens.
Black Kyurem’s mixed capabilities are almost unparalleled. Any Trainer’s eye is immediately drawn to a truly ginormous 170 base Attack, but a second glance also reveals an excellent 120 Special Attack from which the Boundary Pokémon can launch strong Ice Beams. Black Kyurem also has enough bulk to earn the envy of some dedicated defensive Pokémon and possesses Roost for reliable recovery, letting it shrug off resisted attacks and chip damage sustained throughout the course of a match.
There has to be a reason this titan is not considered a format-breaking Pokémon, right? The answer lies in a number of cumulative flaws that curtail Black Kyurem’s potential. On the offense, Black Kyurem suffers from a lack of a good secondary physical STAB move – Outrage is incredibly powerful but the move’s downsides are easily exploited by skilled players; Dragon Claw is risk-free but nowhere near as lethal. This is a common issue for physically-focused Dragons but the best ones have other good STAB options, such as Earthquake for Garchomp or Return for Mega Salamence. Fusion Bolt is welcome for denting bulky Water types and Skarmory, but without STAB it does little to shake the other Steel (and later Fairy) types that litter the metagame.
Black Kyurem’s Speed is also merely good by OU standards, and falls fatally short of other vicious attackers. Dragon typing is broadly decent defensively but less desirable in a tier stuffed with other, faster Dragons, especially ones that seek to blast through resistance with Draco Meteor – to make no mention of the weaknesses Ice already brings to the table! Full vulnerability to the most relevant forms of status and weakness to Stealth Rock also compounds Black Kyurem’s problems on the defense. All this results in an imposing but ultimately balanced force in the pre-Sword and Shield OU format.
Feeling chilled, Trainers? Let us know if this icy blast from the past has led you to change your ways. Leave your thoughts in the comments below or join us on Discord!










So is Thievul the worst new Pokemon in terms of usability and stat distribution or what?
Even though I’m not really into competitive I love this article. 🙂
Also..how would you guys have felt if at least for Gen 8 they had kept megas, but converted them to gigaforms instead? So you would lose all the stat changes and abilities that came with them, but at least aesthetically they would still be included. Im just sitting here missing Mega Beedrill
Since SwSh has been around for a month, what are your list of favorite Gen VIII Pokemon?
Starters: Intelleon=Rillaboom>Cinderace
Pokemon (excluding Starters and Legendaries):
Toxtricity
Centiskorch
Runegrigus
Falinks
Dragapault
Grimmsnarl
NFE Pokemon:
Impidimp
Rolycoly
Galarian Forms:
Zigzagoon & Linoone
Legendaries: Eternatus>Zazamenta=Zacian
I’ve been using Mamoswine since the early 2013s and it has destroyed so many Pokemon
STAB Ice Shard boosted with Expert Belt slices through any of the 4x Ice weak pokemon like Noivern and Salamence (if it ran Moxie) and 2 shotted most Garchomp if not Mega’d or Physically Defensive
Mamoswine also ran Knock Off well (But now he has to go back to running Icicle Crash instead…)
Why do people love Bravely Default so mych?
Because it’s great.
Ice types really got it good this Gen. I’m hoping for an in depth analysis of G-darm like Eiscue
Well I was bored so I did a Gen.1 tier list https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/b1d1b0fd8d21ac754af2c2082720965dfdf395b067ad9640ed104099087d86e1.png
Also before you all jump at me. This is my opinion and I’ll stand by it even if its unpopular for the most part
I am doing the Fakemon drawings again.
I’ll take 5 ideas again. I’ll draw them through the week.
Here is the previous one I did from suggestions from here:
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You only need to give a type combo and a general idea. If you have something more detailed it’s also okay but it’s not required.
We have a Fakemon server if you want to join! It’s for a project where we all collaborate, unlike the old one which was competitive.
Right now we’re figuring out the genuine theme because that’s the backbone of the whole thing, and the ball won’t really get rolling till like half way through January because holidays and all
Is it ok if I do another one? If so I’m thinking a Psychic/Poison type, once something Gardevoir-ish because I’m not very good at coming up with none humanoid designs. What you wanna do with that I don’t have much preference. The only thing is I want it to have a big toothy grin with extremely sharp teeth. You could also go for a more masculine design if you wish. Maybe something sort of celestial?
I should also add, I totally understand if you don’t want to do the same person twice in a row
maybe you can try your hand at Outhawg!
It is a large burly crimson and black Hog with silver spikes on its back and large tusks that spew flames like a motorcycle engine
I’ll throw out another idea then:
Allureck, a ghost/water type pokemon that hides below the surface of the ocean with its maw ready to clamp on whatever swims above. It lures prey (which sometimes includes entire boats) with a glowing appendage it keeps above the water level.
It looks like a wrecked ship, with a huge wooden maw.
OMG MANGA/COMIC ART BLOCK IS REAL AND IT SUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCKS!!!!!!!!!!!!
Well, it appears the Pokemon Showdown servers are down at the moment.
yeah they’ve been having problems all morning
Poison tier list, valid up to Gen 7. Did it in like 5 mins so some placements are iffy.
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Ok I was extra bored so I did all Gens. judge away
Gen.2
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Gen.3
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Gen.4
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Gen.5
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Gen.6
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Gen.7
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Gen.8
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Gen 1
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Gen 2
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Gen 3
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Gen 4
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Gen 5
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Gen 6
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Gen 7
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only did fully evolved forms, unless i like a previous form significantly more
also note that galar is based purely on design since i have yet to play it (though lbr design plays a major part in my choosing favorites anyway, so it’s not likely to change much if i ever do)
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Fellow Exploud disliker? Finally!
Under a freaking tornado warning until 6:30 which is 50 minutes from now. Fun freaking times. Hope this passes quickly.
Hope you are safe.
F*ck
I really want games that take place during that war
https://twitter.com/fawfulsminion/status/1206537801811890178?s=21
Why Scorbunny why can’t you just inherit the right IVS
you just need to lack SpAtk and then we can have adventures, sip lemonade and kick people’s faces in, it’ll be fun I swear it
And i know you’ll be jealous of Stonjourner but i’m sorry his feet ARE bigger than yours get over it…i’m so sorry don’t I didn’t mean it
Tornado warning has passed. We are safe.
The Gospel Truth https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/04a1a623e26b918c3f93761da0979372d6c0904f314e3e0de4d5a40f2247201c.png
Honestly at this point I want a full on Pokemon reboot. No old Mons, just raw mechanics and an open yet simple world and narrative inspired by Red and Blue.
Even if its just a spin off.
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The shade of cinderace not even making it into its own category
Love it
It’s hero time
https://youtu.be/y46T_E8gQ6Y
Yay! Found an Antique Sinistea and a chipped pot!
Sword team update. 6 badges
Groku the Rillaboom lv 41
Titan the coalossal lv 40
Luna the frosmoth lv 40
Queenie the Hatttrem lv 39
Octavio the Graploct lv 41
Have been hunting final member in its raid spot with no luck so looks like I may just have to wait until the normal time to get it. Just hope when time comes I find one quickly
So Shiwdown is still down. 🙁 that’s nearly a day now.
Okay, since we’ve been doing our favorite pokemon tiers, I’m going to have to make the hardest decision of all time and rate the starters by category. My favorite starter overall, considering all evolutions, is Torchic. (Sorry mudkip, I love you too) My favorite first form starter is Sobble becuase it’s MY CHILD. My favorite first evolution is… this is hard… Probably Torracat. My favorite final evolution? How can I choose??? Probably gotta be Greninja. My main in smash and the GOAT ninja. My favorite Grass starter overall is probably Bulbasuar. My favorite fire starter overall is Torchic, and for water I’ve gotta go mudkip. I’m finally done making decisions, phew.
Final:Incineroar
Mid:Raboot
First:Squirtle
Fire:Incineroar/Cinderace
Water:Blastoise
Grass:Sceptile
Final: Blaziken
Mid: Ivysaur
First: Rowlet
Fire: Blaziken
Water: Greninja
Grass: Decidueye
First: Bulbasaur
Mid: Monferno/Dewott/Grovyle
Final: Infernape
Grass: Venusaur
Fire: Infernape
Water: Greninja
Also why don’t you make an account?
New article fam