Elite Four Showdown: Grand Finale

Greetings Junglers, Evan here with the winner of Kalos’ Showdown. The winner is Malva! She won with 32%. She’s followed by Siebold (30%), Drasna (28%) and Wikstrom (10%).

Now the winners will compete against each other. Vote and let us know who you picked in the comments down below!

Lanceheartgold_soulsilver_lance

  • Encounter 4
  • Dragon
  • Gyarados, Dragonair, Dragonair, Aerodactyl and Dragonite
  • Name: A lance used by knights
  • Trivia: Lance’s grandfather is the elder of a famous clan of Dragon Masters.

Karen462px-HeartGold_SoulSilver_Karen

  • Encounter 4
  • Dark
  • Umbreon, Vileplume, Murkrow, Gengar and Houndoom
  • Name: Darken
  • Trivia: Karen is the only Elite Four member in HGSS that changes her final Pokémon, namely into Umbreon.

Phoebe718px-Omega_Ruby_Alpha_Sapphire_Phoebe

  • Encounter 2
  • Ghost
  • Dusclops, Banette, Banette, Sableye and Dusclops
  • Name: Phobia or phantom
  • Trivia: She is the only Ghost-type specialist who does not use a Gengar at some point.

FlintDiamond_Pearl_Flint

  • Encounter 3
  • Fire
  • Rapidash, Steelix, Drifblim, Lopunny and Infernape
  • Name: A kind of stone used to set fires
  • Trivia: Flint is the only Elite Four member who uses a starter.

CaitlinBlack_White_Caitlin

  • Mid-right encounter
  • Psychic
  • Reuniclus, Musharna, Sigilyph and Gothitelle
  • Name: Cattleya, a flower
  • Trivia: Caitlin is one of the few characters to have physically aged.

MalvaXY_Malva

  • Top right encounter
  • Fire
  • Pyroar, Torkoal, Chandelure and Talonflame
  • Name: Malva (a flower genus) or lava
  • Trivia: She is the only Elite Four member who is part of a villainous team.

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1,535 thoughts on “Elite Four Showdown: Grand Finale”

  1. So Mr. Masuda was asked about his favourite Pokemon from each gen.. and he totally skipped Gen 4
    WHY IS THIS SO FUNNY. EVEN THE CREATOR HIMSELF FORGOT ABOUT GEN 4.

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  2. ” It’s really because we have so many people coming up with requests and ideas that we have such a wide variety of Pokemon in the games.”
    I hate you, Ohmori.

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  3. Just something I wanted to say about the leaked dex, so I’ll put a spoiler bar:

    It’s just interesting about Marshadow. There’s 2 possibilities at the moment that I see.
    1) Marshadow is just a mythical Pokémon and Solgaleo/Lunala are the first mascot legends since Gen 2 to not have a trio master, making yet ANOTHER parallel to Gen 2, coincidence or not lol….or
    2) What we are seeing is just a base form/pre-evolution of Marshadow similar to the base form/pre-evolution of Solgaleo and Lunala, and Marshadow still has a big ole secret.
    However, I see possibility 1 as being more likely, and just building off that for a moment, maybe Solgaleo/Lunala do actually have a trio master…maybe Zygarde IS the trio master of both Xerneas/Yveltal and Solgaleo/Lunala…certainly plausible given its chest lights.

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          • Watch GF release the next trailer on the 27th, and it reveals a Pokémon that WASNT in the data dump, and this was all planned out from the start.
            Then we’ll have to sit back, and watch the Internet lose its collective mind. xD

          • Can you state your reasoning for that belief? (Not to dismiss it or anything, I just want to know, because it would be nice if there was more tbh).

          • Yeah, these are just off the top of my head:
            1. Gamexplain said they found more than 1 new pokemon in the first two hours, and none of the leaked pokemon look early game, plus most were evolutions. It’s a stretch, but there’s something there.
            2. The mysterious 6 can’t be totems, firstly we know of 7 trial captains, so there has to be more than 6 totems, plus these are pokedex stills.
            3. We never got the strange souvenir/mahalo trail statue pokemon

          • Another loose connection: if the tapu was the supposed dolphin and crabralwer was the snowman, why didn’t the leaker specify that? The connections to dolphin/snowman of those pokemon are very loose.

          • 1) 3 possibilities for new Pokémon they encountered could be Pikipek’s first evolution, Alola Grimer, and Alola Diglett.
            2) If I’m looking at this correctly, there is a “?” after the following Pokémon: Alola Raticate, Gumshoos, Vikavolt, Lurantis, Salandit’s evolution, and Kommo-o. Additionally, Mimikyu has 2 “?’s” after it as does Zygarde. Seeing as the “?’s” come after 3 already confirmed Totem Pokémon, it’s a reasonable assumption that these are the Totem models, which could also count as a form seen in the Pokédex. And counting the version exclusives as 1, I see 7 Totems. There are probably 2 “?s” after Mimikyu to account for both its forms, and 2 “?s” after Zygarde to account for its in-battle transformation.
            3) I believe the Strange Souvenir is the Fire/Fairy Tapu. Remember it is representative of the Tapu with its mask closed, and that one seems like it will match up once we see it closed.
            4) The translation from the leaker was interpreted as snowman, however it could also be interpreted as yeti. And seeing Crabrawler’s evolution, it was a mistranslation.

          • Regarding the other two points about the statue and the dolphin. The statue was only speculated to be a Pokémon, and the dolphin quite possibly is the Ghost/Fairy Tapu.

          • I know the dolphin is the tapu, but honestly, if I was a leaker, I would never call Crab2 and Tapu Poni a snowman (even a yeti) or a dolphin.
            These leaks didn’t come from the riddler, but I don’t know the thought process of the leaker, it seems a stretch have to have MULTIPLE leaks call them a dolphin and snowman, and we get these which barely resemble them.

          • Honestly I can see the yeti, but the dolphin I will agree is a stretch. Unless it really is a quite convincing dolphin when its mask is closed xD

          • I just realized about Zygarde, the “?” could be for the Core and Cell. In which case yes, there are only 6 Totems which doesn’t add up.

          • Like I said, it’s all very loose, but so are the things to debunk it. :~:
            There’s some more I forget, if I remeber I’ll let you know. Regardless I still believe there’s more.
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            Ok seriously though would’nt it be cool if the developers intended for this to get leaked? It’s super unlikely but it’d be a fun twist. The only evidence though is if the totems and other models got scrubbed why didn’t the unused pokemon get scrubbed as well? Just something to make you think.

          • Please do!

            The unused Pokémon could’ve gotten scrubbed due to plot relevance. Which tbh, I’m thankful basically nothing about the plot was leaked. I am also thankful for the dex leak, be it complete or not, because I now know what my team will be xD

          • I’ll try to remember some more.
            But seriously, there’s absolutely no reason they would scrub text, character models, stats, everything, except leave even the unused pokemon unscrubbed. Plus in retrospect the leaks didn’t reveal THAT much, it was stuff that could’ve been covered in 2-3 trailers, so nothing mindblowing.

            Intentional or not, the datamine has definitely given them publicity, I heard it was trending #1 on twitter and facebook.

          • I’ll take the same stance that I do with the majority of legitimate leaks. Things like this that can be seen as blunders, often times can be intentional. It gets people talking and speculating and generates more excitement.

          • They are most likely Totems. However Zygardes is the core and cell, though a totem boss would have been cool. And theres probably more than 7 trials, and not all are totem battles, however the 7th would probably be the Wishiwashi boss battle which isn’t a totem battle due to it’s power and ability.
            http://imgur.com/gallery/5C8ry

  4. From GameXplain’s latest video:
    GX said that GF said “we have to work so hard to find the right mix and balance of pokemon
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    At first I thought of commenting this as a joke, as the leaked dex is completely imbalanced, but then I realized it’s another loose connection. What’s that saying again? Oh yeah! “It all comes together”! xD

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  5. Something else from GX’s video: GF apparently put alot of effort into post game and wanted to focus on longevity this time. This is exicting to me at least! ^.^

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  6. S/M developers had some interviews, here are some important points:
    – Hawaii was picked because of vacations and that they wanted a place that represents the S/M.
    – Kanto Pokemon were picked only as Alolan Pokemon due to the 20th anniversary.
    – Previous characters from other games will make an appearance.
    – No soaring from OR/AS.
    – The next game is seems to still be in planning.
    – 3D only for cutscenses because GameFreak wanted to have more detailed models and environment, so they restricted the use.
    – No Mega Evolution during the main story. It will be post game as it will focus on Z-Rings and Crystals for the main game.
    – Battles will take place in actual environments.
    – They’re not running out on designs and they want to balance types.

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  7. not gunna lie I’m sorta upset that they didn’t at least finish mega flygon. they wanted it in ORAS but couldn’t come up with a solid design, and decided “F*ck it” and scrapped the idea.

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  8. Ok sorry for what looks like spam, but I swear last comment about GX’s video: GF focused on kanto for alola forms because they wanted to give something special to their 20 year long fans. Nothing against people who have been playing for 20 years, but every single person I’ve ever met who has started with gen 1 has been a genwunner. Sure, for the twentieth anniversary, let’s cater to our special fans who won’t even appriaciate these forms and disregard them for being “new”.

    Obvious joke is obvious

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  9. I just made 112$
    I was helping my mother clear my grandmothers house of clutter to sell and I was allowed to take anything I wish
    So I found her change jar with 112$ worth of quarters

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  10. I have a question

    The little two spacy Pokemon are seem to come after each other in some Pokedex pictures and I only see them coming before Solgaleo and Lunaana in one Pokedex picture. Which one is correct?

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    • Tese little 2 actually come before Solgaleo and Lunaana I didn’t know y ppl think they r pre-evolution but for sure they r related by some, maybe core or supporter.

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      • Yes if they are after each other, and not one before Sol and one before Luna then they are not preevolutions. That’s why I wonder the order.

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  11. Ok, I apoligize to those of you who I actually offended with my joke a few minutes ago, maybe it was a little too profiling for a joke.

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  12. Comment Question: If you were a Gym Leader/Elite Four/Champion/Kahuna/Evil Team Leader/Trial Captain, what would your type specialty/theme be and the Pokemon you would use?

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  13. @TCRowlet I remembered some more evidence.
    Charizard isn’t in the leaked dex, despite being a ride pokemon and being seen in many trailers.

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  14. Remember the Lumiose ghost? The horde of faceless men? The Couriway train? The locked doors at the Kalos Power Plant?

    I wonder if GF just forgot about these or they’re planning on expanding on these.. in the remakes

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  15. @TCRowlet IT’S ALL FLOODING BACK NOW
    Horsea isn’t in the dex leaks, despite being on a statue and it’s evos being seen in many trailers. They wouldn’t make a statue of a non native pokemon.

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  16. Can I change my avatar to one of the pokemon whose didn’t reveal pokemon yet colud that count as spoiler? r u Ok with that mods?

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  17. I love the fact that HMs no longer exist. Like, it’s a relief that they learned they can do roadblocks through other, less aggravating means.

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  18. I’m sorry to ask but I’m too busy to scroll thru all the comments but has any new came out after the Things that came out I’m typing in a hurry and couldn’t get the grey bar up lol

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  19. Okay, seriously though but what’s your sun and moon in-game team because looking at the whole dex, I only have four that I honestly love?
    Popplio, Lurantis, Kommo-o, and Alolan Marowak

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  20. Honestly I can’t believe they only kept 3 lines of pokemon secret (excluding legendaries/tapu’s) if this dex is indeed all we got. One of those lines doesn’t even evolve.

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    • Yeh, I find that very hard to believe.

      As much as I enjoyed the regular reveals that they had going on, I would have preferred not having them so regularly if they were to reveal pretty much 90% before the games come out.

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      • No, I mean given the dex that leaked, Gamefreak revealed everything except 3 lines: Sea Urchin (which ended up leaking before anyway), the spider thing, and the anchor. Everything else they either showed us or showed us something in its evolutionary line.

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        • Oh wow that’s cool. I’m guessing they kind of knew this was bound to happen then. I still think The starters have a hidden ability like Ash-Greninja maybe.. Something we’re missing

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  21. I think this kind of confirms the starters something special lies in their hidden ability. Something that couldn’t be leaked. Like Ash-Greninja I hope.

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    • I wouldn’t trust anything new from him, the first stuff he was right about but I think at some point he started winging it, as seen by Toucan not being next to Pikipek.

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  22. The guy who put this together has changed the question marks to say Totem, and in the case of Zygarde, Cell and Core.
    http://imgur.com/gallery/5C8ry
    Theres 7, 2 represent the same trial, making 6, but Wishiwashi School form is a boss of another trial, I’d assume it’s not a Totem due to it’s Ability, but still a boss, so 7 Battles. I do hope theres more than 7 Trials though.
    But so far we have, Normal, Electric, Grass, Fire, Ghost, Dragon, which all have Totems, and Water. But 7 still doesn’t seem like much, theres got to be at least 3 more.

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  23. Lol Hi guys. Haven’t been here a while teehee, just came to say Im disappointed Karen isn’t winning. Come on how can you guys not like her famous Phrase
    “Strong Pokémon. Weak Pokémon. That is only the selfish perception of people. Truly skilled trainers should try to win with their favorites”

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  24. Has anyone noticed that a safari ball was used by the grunt to send out a yungoos? does that mean a comeback of the safari zone?

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  25. First time i’m kin of dissapointed at no character whose interest in conest likelty to be included… This gen has the perfect pokemon for it.. Popplio3 Cutifly Alolan vulpix that mantis grass thing comfey that grass queeen thing.. maybe more

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  26. Sorry for the spam, but Im really glad to see you guys again, and some new faces. Even though I’ll only be here today, I’m glad to see you guys again after months. Then on the 18th I can really talk about pokemon since I still don’t no many new pokemon Lol.

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  27. Am I the only one who feels they ruined Flint? So much potential husbando material but they went and ruined it with the Ronald McDonald hair

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  28. Been doing some research. According to an Online Moari Dictionary, Tapu means Sacred, and under atua protection. And Koko means wind. So Tapu Koko is Sacred Wind. From this we can determine the other 3’s names. Despite their typing, I think they might be basedo n the 4 elements.
    Tapu Koko is Air.
    So Tapu Koko – Sacred Wind (Electric/Fairy) Looks like a Bird when closed.
    Au means Earth and Whenua means Ground,
    So, Tapu Au or Tapu Whenua (Psychic/Fairy) The one that Resembles the Squid thing.
    Ahi means Fire, as does Kanaku,
    So, either Tapu Ahi or Tapu Kanaku (Fire/Fairy) the one that resembles the Bull.
    Kātao means water.
    So, Tapu Katao (Ghost/Fairy), The Dolphin one.
    Or of course I could be totally wrong but it’s fun to speculate.
    http://maoridictionary.co.nz/
    I know it’s not Based on Maori, but it’s close.

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  29. Thinking about coverage moves for the starters, this is what they MAY learn imo:

    Rowlet3:
    Razor Leaf
    Bullet seed
    Brave Bird
    Tailwind
    Leaf Storm
    Leaf Blade
    Solar Blade
    Acrobatics
    Roost
    Whirlwind
    Air slash
    Agility
    Quick guard
    Hurricane (?)
    Steel Wing
    Focus Laser (or anyway the new move is called)

    Litter3
    Night slash
    Flare Blitz
    Fire/Thunder puch
    Bulk up
    Flamethrower
    Sky uppercut
    Blaze kick
    PU Punch
    Hone claws
    Brick Break
    Low sweep
    Shadow claw
    Stone Edge
    Poison Jab
    Knock off
    New move that prevent sound moves.

    Popplio3
    Surf
    Hydro Pump
    Scald
    Moon Blast
    Draining Kiss
    Ice Beam
    Recover
    Reflect
    Light Screen
    Safeguard
    Aromatherapy
    Hyper Voice
    Psychic (?)
    Heal Bell
    Follow me
    Moonlight
    Sweet kiss
    Charm
    Calm Mind
    Wish
    Aqua ring
    Attrac
    Grass knot
    Dragon Tail
    New move that halves att and sp. att for 5 turns.

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    • I think Sirenade is going to be used in the meta if it ends up part fairy, game explain noticed its stats leaning toward defenses. (though popplio was low level so thats up in the air) and could you imagine if light clay extends Aurora Veil like it does reflect/lightscreen.

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      • It seems to favor Def and SpDef which seems promising.

        I swear I’m going to find a competitive niche for Rowlet 3 even if it takes me all gen.

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        • I really hope Rowlet3 gets a decent HA. If it gets something like Sniper, based on the exclusive move it seems to get, I’m going to be really disappointed.

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          • Why? That will make any of its moves do 3x damage in exchange for 1 turn set up. Technically, if it faints or switches out, thats stronger than Swords dance or nasty plot.

          • Maybe paired with Focus Energy, but the new move seems to only work for the next move used. It’s easy to work around.

          • Plenty of OU Pokemon with 4x weaknesses. And you have the rest of your team to build around these weaknesses. It’s not just this Pokemon vs the rest…

          • I know but a pokemon with a x4 weakness may not be used in term of turns.. It’s a sweeper or a great wall like Aggron or Ferrothorn. I don’t see Rowlet3 being a wall and what’s the point of using a two turn moves if the target switchs to Abomasnow after you use it?

          • Rowlet3 is clearly going to be the Greninja of this Gen. Maybe not as good due to Protean, but it’ll be fast with good attack. And the point of this move is not to wall something, it can scare something out because of what can come next. 4x weakness is not how you judge a Pokemon, it’s their stats and abilities that determine how good they end up being.

          • It will not be the greninja, Infernape at best. It has high hp and it’s slower then litten at the moment so do not expect more then 100 speed. Weavile is still out there.

          • Speculation still, but Rowlet3 based on final designs should end up being the fastest starter of this trio. Oh boy, Weavile is out there, surely my entire team of Rowlet3 is shaking scared and I won’t be using any other Pokemon to counter threats xD

          • I’m not saying it will not be useful, I’m just saying that imo it will not be that useful, It will ends up like MSceptile, which may be really useful sometimes but it’s not a wall and it’s not a great sweeper either imo. That’s all.

          • Predict the switch. You assume a reactionary battle style. Truth is, we can play “what if” all day long. But we wont know until the games come out and we test it. This is all speculation.

          • Which in turn can also force switches if used on pokemon they dont want to lose, or wall breaking as critical hits ignore boosts to def/sp.def. i think it’d be awesome.

      • I see Poppulosity to be competitive useful. It seems like it has high hp/def/sp.def so it can be a great wall using Water/Fairy. For rowlet it seems unlikly it have more then 100 speed and this is deadful for its x4 weakness to ice and Talonflame being out there with Fire and Flying priority stabs. While Tony has may have a good coverage and good speed too. I hope it will not get shitty defense cause its speed will go down 100 for sure (and its design is meh) so there may be better options out there.

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  30. Guys, in the demo, how do you get it to turn from day to night? I’ve heard people say it’s really pretty at night and the music changes, but it’s almost 11pm here and my demo shows bright sunshine :/

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  31. Can’t stop playing in the demo, I really enjoy the pokeride feature. Running around with Tauros is a lot of fun! the graphics are also really beautiful 🙂

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    • Sniper while fitting flavour wise, is vey situational.
      Unless the effect of Laser Focus (or whatever it’s called) last until you switch out….which is OP as hell

      It may get something like Chlorophyll (which has been done with Venusaur before). Gale Wings is probably wishful thinking. Here’s hoping it’s not Keen Eye …. trollfreak incoming.

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      • I think Laser Focus only works on the next move used, which is a bit of a bummer. And Gale Wings I agree is a pipe dream. Personally, I’d hope it gets a new unique Ability, like the Gen 6 starters got

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          • If it is also affected by Light Clay then definitely. Even if it isn’t it is pretty OP. I think it will have very limited distribution.

          • It instantly shoots Popplio3 (Assuming these moves actually are for the starters) up on the competitive chart. Now this is probably a stupid question, but does it affect just one side of the field like Reflect and Light Screen, or is it like a Veil that covers the entire battle field that reduces everyone’s attacks?

          • we don’t know if the effect lasts even when the Pokemon is switched out like the screens do. Maybe it only lasts 5 turns as long as the Pokemon that uses it stays in.

            Unless I’ve missed something, in which case I accept my mistake.

          • Not stupid at all, I think just one side. If it is for Popplio3 it has that and the probable Water/Fairy typing.

          • And the stats leaning toward defenses. I may replace milotic on my main team when i get back into competetive.

          • It sounds so broken xD If we assume also that it lasts even if Popplio3 switches out, then I’d prefer it lasts 3 turns.

          • It would mean people would use more Infiltrators, Sound based moves and Brick Break, assuming they work like the screens with those. Of course until we see full details it’s difficult to know. Chesnaught got probably the best Signature Move last gen (Although others now have Spiky Shield) followed by Water Shuriken, though with that becoming Special it is pretty much on the same level. Mystical Fire was pretty much trash, Delphox needed better. Hopefully they balance them a bit better with these 3.

          • Delphox got the short end of the stick last Gen in all regards. And yeah, with the switch to being a Special Move, Water Shuriken is definitely right up there with Spiky Shield. And wait, sound based moves go through screens??

        • Maybe something that increases the accuracy of projectile moves (but that’s probably a massive can of worms).
          I’d suggest an auto Grassy Terrain ability but it’s not a grounded Pokemon to gain any of the benefits.

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    • Leaf blade would be cool. Power whip would work if you dont mind the accuracy. I kinda hope we get a good special flying type move this gen. Air slash is nice, but something a bit stronger but more basic would be nice.

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  32. I think as of now my team for Moon is going to be Popplio3, Lurantis, Palossand, Minior, the anchor, and the virus spider (unevolved).

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  33. Based on preliminary Hakamo-o stats. I’m expecting Kommo-o to go something like this

    100/110/135/90/90/75

    Honestly that doesn’t make it all that great, unless it gets Dragon Dance.
    It may get Slack off to turn it into a decent Physical Wall. Could also be a nice Substitue/Set Up Pokemon. Unfortunately its abilities are sub par. I’m hoping it gets Guts as HA

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  34. I’m really hoping all of Minior’s forms have a way to tell which is which when they’re in the PC box since I’m a bit of a perfectionist when it comes to collecting Pokémon but it’s going to irk me if there’s no difference e-e

    Also, am I the only one not bothered by the smaller Dex this time? I could be done with less Kanto but I was honestly expecting it, and the smaller number helps emphasise the new Pokémon, who actually make a contribution to the Dex rather than 72 out of 457

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      • I was mostly referring to the regional Dex and not just the new Pokémon, but I do find the ‘quality over quantity’ argument redundant as its literally subjective

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      • 1) Agreed, Dark still has a chance of being average if the toucan and spider are Dark-Types but Ice just got screwed, I was at least expecting two whole lines like Kalos and Hoenn got.
        2) A bit more subjective since I’m personally not having the issue with Pokémon I like but it’s definitely making it hard for theme/challenge teams using Pokémon only from that Gen

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        • If crabrawlers evo isn’t part ice type I’m going to be so fucking mad. I actually really like it and want to use it. In terms for making teams, I’m finding it hard to make one around rowlet while also using ones that I actually like. There are too many good flying types.

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          • Idk, man, idk! Even if we do it’s doubtful Komala and Minior will get evos. They would’ve likely appeared next to them even if this is only showing one island.

          • I really should just type this in notes and copy and paste it everytime somebody asks lol. Here’s just a few pieces of evidence that I can quickly think of:
            1. Gamexplain found multiple new pokemon that weren’t revealed in the first two hours of the game, none of these look early game, plus they said they found more than 1.
            2. The mysterious 6 can’t be totems, because firstly we know of 7 trial captains, so even if they are totems, the list is still incomplete.
            3. We don’t have the strange souvenir/mahalo trail statue pokemon yet
            4. There’s no horsea or charizard in the dex, despite being a pokeride pokemon and on a statue respectively, and both seen in trailers.
            There’s some more I can’t think of.

          • Ehh to get nitpicky, we’ve seen plenty of Pokémon not in the region on decor (Parfum Palace alone has Milotic and Serperior).

            As for Charizard, it could easily just be a Pokémon not native to Alola the ride service decided to draft

          • Fair, but the parfum palace was supposed to boast rare pokemon not found in Kalos. That was kinda the whole point of it.
            Alola on the other hand, boasts rare native pokemon, so it’d be odd to go to alola and see a pokemon on a statue they dont have. It’s been said they’re very prideful of their natvie pokemon.

          • It wouldn’t stop them also portraying foreign Pokémon though, it’s like being surprised some random white girl in downtown Seattle the has a photo of a panda when it’s obvious she’d have it because she likes the animal, not because the country of origin has any significance to her.

          • Fine. Take this scenario: A kid new to pokemon buys SM, sees the statue, falls in love with Horsea, and wants to find one. It wouldn’t make sense to have it locked behind a paywall then, they’ve already said they want this to be accesible to new players.

            Either way, it was always a loose connection. Say what you want, I still believe we’ll get more.

          • There’s literally a physical Pikachu in Unova and you can’t catch the thing in the whole of Gen V, even when Unova opens up to old Pokémon in the post games and sequels.

            And who’s to say the same wouldn’t happen if a kid saw Milotic and Serperior in Parfum Palace?

            I do accept the possibility of their being more tbh but the evidence provided just feels so unsure imo

          • Again, why doesn’t it have a totem model? It would still have the aura around it, just because it is made up of several fish doesn’t make it exempt.

          • It probably has really good stats for that point in the game so it wouldn’t need an Aura to flair and boost its stats.

            And unlike the other totem Pokémon, it doesn’t need an increase in size as it’s already huge.

            Tbh I feel like they’re just going to make the Totem Wishiwashi permanently Schooling Form

          • I’m with you I hope GameFreak has something up their sleeve and give us more I know I’m getting my hopes up but if it’s for more Pokemon I’m ok with cause right now I’m pretty upset because of the pokedex

          • Nah there has to be at least one new Pokémon of each type, even Gen 2 did that and it was also arguably bad at type balancing despite having 100 Pokémon.

          • I wouldn’t call it optimism, I’d call it ‘let’s pray GameFreak doesn’t fuck this up too’

            Like seriously I love GameFreak but no Megas when it was a mechanic that could be used to actually give attention to old Pokémon and isn’t a give and forget mechanic like Z-Moves which can easily stay and only be touched up once in a while, as well as the fact it had major plot relevancy really annoys me.

            Kinda hoping it’s just become their remake tool tbh

    • You’re definitely not the only one, but unlike many people here, I believe this dex is incomplete and we’re getting more. I’m on the fence about this being intentional.

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        • Well I’ve got a bunch of reasons. I get that people are starting to accept it, but I refuse to accept that this is it. It’s not just denial either, I mean it started out like that but I’ve found so much evidence I’m 100% convinced.

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    • I would be more ok with the small dex if they had something to compensate for it like more unique new pokeballs to catch my pokemon in. But I’m not really all that upset because they gave us Morelulls Evo

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    • You could give each one a nickname to tell you which is which until you have them all, then rename them Minior when you’ve got ’em all.

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    • Personally I would not definy 320 pokemon a small dex. In kalos with only new 70 pokemon (yes I know) findind two new pokemon in a row in the wild was almost impossible

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      • It’s smaller than Kalos’, which is where a lot of the complaints I’ve seen is coming from. I quite like it though, makes the game more challenging as GameFreak can control what Pokémon you pick better and adjust the game to it, as well as not making the new Pokémon obscure in their own game

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  35. That moment Arceus comes down from the heavens with the 8 Ultra Beasts and you realize Arceus ordered the annihilation of humans for mistreating Pokemon for too long. DUN DUN DUN! 😀 JK, but I do think Arceus will play a role or will be referenced in Sun/Moon. Additionally, the answers from the creators revealed that past characters may be coming back in a surprising way.

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    • Idk if it’ll appear, but I would definitely expect references…I hope there’s another library. Strange that there’s only one library across 6 regions.

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      • The idea that Lusamine and her minions are Ultra Beasts (Ultra Chimeras in other translations) and want to reset the physical world without the existence of Pokemon is an innovative and great idea. Additionally supporting the claim with the foundation’s hatred for Pokemon battling and hurting Pokemon makes it seem more viable.

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        • I dunno, deleting something becuase you love it kinda sounds off.

          Also the fact you can catch them is just honestly disturbing so I’m hoping they’re not humans

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          • It’s not been confirmed the quantity of those Balls you get, there could be seven of them and they automatically catch Ultra Beasts after a story event or something like that

            And even then catching one human or human like being is still all kinds of disturbing

          • So true! I hope they’re not actually humans, but rather come from an alternate dimension and are working alongside the Aether Foundation or its: Aether Foundation VS Ultra Beasts VS Team Skull.

  36. Q: Dexio and Sina are back from X & Y–might we see more returning characters?

    A: So yeah you’ve got Dexio and Sina, as well as professor Oak’s cousin n the game, and I think this being the 20th anniv. Project, I’ve definitely tried to make sure there’s a lot of things–a lot of surprises or fun things in here for fans of each of the different generations.

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  37. All of my friends have been obsessing over the demo, and it was cool and all, but to be honest I’m getting extremely hyped for the NX again. People are still claiming that Nintendo will have an event on Friday even though it’s Wednesday afternoon. Keep your eyes peeled everyone.

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  38. I’ve found something I dislike about the demo. At night, the guy who walks along the sidewalk seems to have a faint aura around him. I don’t know if there’s any way that could’ve been bypassed, but now that I’ve seen it I can’t unsee it.

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  39. What are your thoughts on the Mysterious Old Man? After roughly five visits he doesn’t say anything new, but the game still saves. What’s his deal? Besides, introducing yourself as the Mysterious Old Man is somewhat unnerving.

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  40. This one’s easy too… Lance obviously wins at all accounts. I suspect it’s going to be by a landslide… *checks the result* Yep.

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  41. Has anyone else noticed that there are like four-five pseudo-legendary lines available? I was thinking about it and it seems rather scary.

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  42. Something I just read on reddit that I hadn’t noticed before: Ash-greninja’s model is nowhere to be found in the datamine. This means that its model is stored somewhere else, even furthering my claim of new pokemon. We now know for certain of this possibility, as there may be other stuff stored with the model of Ash-Greninja. And before you go saying these are pokedex stills, yes, they are, but Mimikyu’s and Wishiwashi’s form changes were in the stills, so ash greninja should have been somewhere in there, though it’s not. IMO this is the nail in the coffin, as if I wasn’t convinced enough before.

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  43. I honestly don’t think I would be this excited for the NX if it wasn’t for the fact that they’ve basically been dangling it in front of us all this time lol

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  44. So I need help with my teams yall

    SUN:
    Robinshoot
    Mudsdale
    Tsareena ( really can’t decide if this should be swapped with lurantis below)
    Sea Urchin 2
    Mimikyu
    Kommo-o

    MOON:
    Mermaid Popplio
    Alolan Ninetails
    Farmer Morelull
    Lurantis
    Salandit 2

    Last spot is between Minior, Midnight Lycanroc and Oranguru. My Sun team is Pokemon which I like that remind me of the sun, moon ones which remind me of the moon and night.

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  45. Alright I’ve got exams tomorrow, I likely won’t be here for the hype, but I’ll be here soon after. Gotta study if I’ve got any chance, so I’m jumping ship. See ya!

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  46. IT’S ABOUT TIME! Finally, we get to see the NX tomorrow. Tomorrow will likely consist of:
    – The NX’s actual name.
    – Breath of the Wild running on the NX.
    – It will be a 3 minute trailer.
    – There will likely be a Direct Next Week.
    What do you all think the NX will be? That hybrid or a handheld and console? Either way I cannot wait to see the NX tomorrow. I’ll be in school and I’m afraid that I will scream! https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/ae192fad0f1bbceb6b107862d80cf96e7def863badb220a3ff1b82ef8a7d4038.png

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  47. anyway idk if anyone pointed this out already but thank god we have legit pokedex sprites, it has always bothered me how pokemon sites crop out the 3D in-game pokedex sprites before~

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  48. Alright I’m feeling almost as salty as earthen right now after a bad raid. Don’t suppose anyone has some cute fan art on hand?

    As for who I’d pick among these goofballs, I’d say none of them. Their all pretty forgettable and really not that impressive. But that’s my opinion.

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      • FF14 Raid. I haven’t played wow in years, but think traditional raids, but party’s are all pugs. Going by WOW equivalent’s, we had a crappy Deathknight tank who could barely hold aggro over a mage, died several times during the fight, including on the trash phase of a boss, and crappy healers that struggled to keep people up. One major mechanic of the game are limit breaks. Think FF7. Powerful attacks that do different things. Tanks dive a defense buff, healers heal and can mass party rez at max, and dps…Well dps. Basically we had a weaker party of DPS that was struggling to get through the phases, so naturally I popped our lb’s when they were at max since we really needed the dps. In the end we lived at about .1% of the boss’s hp before engage. After that the tank and one of the healers pretty much called me an idiot for using them, since they felt that we should have saved them for the mass rezzes if needed, when I and fortunately another dps openly said we didn’t have the numbers to do without it. Then the healer pretty mcuh called my dps crap because I was being a bit lazy with it, which I was though its kind of hard not to be with the fight, and then we wiped again when the tank proved they were absolute trash.

        So I’m just a little salty that people are saying that they know my class better then I do, when they clearly aren’t paying attention to our dps numbers. That, and we would never need a mass rez of people are doing mechanic correctly, or healers are actually doing their jobs. At least the fight has some rocking music.

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-IiOzi05IlA

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          • Thanks for letting me vent. I’ve had worse groups over the years, but this one really just struck a nerve with me. Ah well. I”ll just run it this weekend or something. I’ve done the fight plenty of times now and it’ll be easy.

        • That’s some crazy bad PUG raid… 🙁

          In my final raids before I quit, we had competent tanks, competent DPS and competent leader and we still die… 😀

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  49. Im hoping this trailer ends with like announcement of a NX direct to show more into the console and the titles coming with it

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  50. So… I’ve Never been like this before.. but I Don’t want to see Nun of y’all mf’s using UB Online!
    Plus im likely the only on e who hasn’t played the demo.. can’t figure out how to connect 3DS to TWC wifi outside of home -,-

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  51. The funniest youtube comment:
    Travis OfBelring – 3 weeks ago –
    Oh wow! Cynthia! She might give me an item!
    Battle starts
    I WASN’T READY NOOOOOOOOO

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  52. Probably means nothing, but Masuda tweeted out about the NX reveal. I imagine it’s more just the fact that it’ll be the next system Pokemon goes to.

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  53. I honestly couldn’t be less excited about the NX. But then, I wasn’t excited about the 3DS at all until XY were announced. As soon as it has ties to Pokemon I’ll be interested.

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  54. I’m breeding for something that I’m really excited about! made me think depending on how long it takes for this little guy to hatch it might become the last thing I end up shiny breeding until after playing Sun/Moon xD

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  55. Who is really into competitive battling? I’ve grown bored of it and have a lump of 6iv Dittos (Adamant, Jolly, Modest, Impish, bold, brave, sassy{?}, and a 3iv Japanese timid) I want to rid of.

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  56. I think it’s funny how after hating Salandit’s evolution, It is actually exactly what I wanted after I calm down and look at fan art rather the mid-animation pose it’s in in the leaks

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  57. Damn, the NX reveal is just when my afternoon lectures start, yay -_- … Well, they start at five past, but I’d rather talk with my friends than start hyperventilating and choo-chooing like a hype train in the middle of a lecture theater…

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  58. Grrr, Malva overtook Drasna, just like Caitlin wone overtook Grimsley… >:(
    Oh well, at least two of my picks made it in! Yay Lance and Phoebe!
    Voted for Phoebe, she and Grimsley are definitely the best two elite 4 trainers IMO.

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  59. If you talk to the Pedophile in the Sun and Moon demo a lot apparently his dialogue changes and you become special to him. Interesting to know. Also what was he doing behind that statue all by himself? hmmm? HMMM???

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  60. Why is the NX reveal such a short notice? You’d think a new console warrants to be hyped up a couple weeks prior to a reveal. Nevertheless, I’m extremely hyped.

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    • Was it ever expected there would be? Clearly the focus is Z-Moves. Although I kinda hoped Solrock and Lunatona would get a mega, just because it fits the whole theme

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      • I never thought there would be, but some people here did.

        Aparently Solrock and Lunatone might not even be in the regional dex, but those might be false rumours.

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        • I’m actually glad we dont even have access to Megas until after completion of the main game. Imagine having both Megas and Z-moves from the get go lol

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          • So far I prefer Z-moves to megas since
            A) Aside from the really specific ones, all pokemon can use Z moves
            B) They don’t involve really weird/lame form changes
            C) You can only use them once, for one turn only, not “once but they drag on for ages”.

    • Lol who even could have had any hope after the pathetic amount of pokémon/alolan forms we’re getting was revealed. Don’t rub it in, it’s too painful already :'(

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      • I never thought there would be from the start.
        I’ve been saying “no new megas” for at least a month, I’m just happy I can finally base my claim on evidence rather than foresight.

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        • I haven’t had hope for a long time either, especially since pokémon-specific z-moves were announced, but honestly with the wasted mess GF have made of the Alolan form concept and the horrendous UBs, I’m starting to really miss good’ol megas, as much as I hated them on reveal.

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          • I still don’t like the megas, but I agree that the UBs are awful and they wasted the alolans.

            There’s only a handful of the alolans that I actually like.

            (At least we know why they kept alolan Persian a secret now.)

      • yeah, what this totally handsome dude who is in no way me that had to go onto firefox cuz disqus hates me, but he couldn’t sign in said.

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        • It wasn’t ‘planned’ only ‘considered’.
          “Sugimori: Flygon has had the potential to have a Mega Evolution since XY, but we were unable to complete a design and so it was dropped from consideration.”

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    • Yeah I’m not the happiest with the news. but Oh well. He made a point at least to say game, and not generation, so I suppose its likely that the Sinnoh Remakes will make up for them, given their really isn’t much they can do with Z-moves once Sun and Moon are released. I really don’t see players saying a single powerful move is enough to replace standard hold items in competitive, and really it doesn’t seem likely that they’ll just keep creating new z-moves for specific pokemon.

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  61. I’m kinda worried about these games to be honest. now, I know I shouldn’t rush to conclusions, but it worries me anyways. I feel these trials may not be in depth. playing the demo, taking photos of those pokemon wasn’t really fun. we know a trial will consist of collecting items… idk, am I the only one?

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    • I am with you on this. I felt a bit flat after playing the demo. The trial felt like a side quest in a way, and not substantial enough. I kept waiting for something more and went ‘is that it?’ after I beat the trial

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        • I know they were. But I thought just maybe because they replaced the gym system, it will be something a bit more substantial.
          Or maybe also because I was forced to use Greninja and not one of new pokemon 😀

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          • yeah it was pretty much “Greninja destroys things instantly” the demo. I used Kukui’s Pikachu whenever I could. they shoulda gave us a starter and let us catch the wild pokemon, not like they could evolve anyway.

    • I’ve had that concern about trials from the moment they were announced. It seems most people didn’t realise what ‘colllecting items from the forest floor’ and ‘taking pictures of pokemon’ actually entails.

      But at the same time, I’m hoping people will find them boring so it will make people realise gyms weren’t boring and they were never the issue.

      I’ll admit though, having to fight the pokemon after taking pictures of
      it make it more fun than just taking pictures, so the trials might turn out
      better than expected. Totems are still pretty easy to beat though, beating that Hakamo-o was easier than beating a first gym.

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      • I’m sure there will be interruptions, such as team skull bothering you during the trial. the only reason I’m not too worried is because a recent interview with gamexplain, they said the games will be packed full of content. honestly though, i’d forgive mediocre trials if they gave us a battle frontier.

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        • Team Skull are an annoying bunch of chavs though.

          Doesn’t specify what content though.
          The festival plaza, pokepelago, pokemon finder etc all count as content too. The game could still be ‘full of content’ and still have really brief/boring trials.

          We’re not getting a battle frontier.

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          • Team Skull are an annoying bunch of chavs. The admins have a bit of character, the grunts are just lame though.

            I’m serious about the battle frontier thing. At most we’ll get another battle maison.

            There are plenty of things I like about the game, but there’s a lot more that I dislike.

          • ugh please not another maison/subway because they were the same thing… I wouldn’t even care if its a remake of a previous frontier. after so much complaining, they had to have changed SOMETHING, right? isn’t that why we have trials over gyms? people were sick of the same formula. I remember people complaining about the lack of post game content a lot…

          • I was happy with the gym formula, I never understood why people complained about it. I think they were projecting their hate of XY onto all gyms.

            The only things I liked about the maison were
            A) Sit back, press buttons, no thinking
            B) Spend BP on cool items

            Also I have no idea how Nintendo even check what people are complaining about. Dunno if they do proper polls or actually pay people to go around forums reading complaints.

        • Well, the demo actually reminded me of a gym with the exclusion of people. Most gyms are small, trivial puzzle rooms. I mean the demo trail was basically Gardenia’s gym all over again. Find the trainers before you can fight me sort of deal. It was seriously not that different from a gym. You guys just need to warm up to it a bit. 🙂

          P.S. We need an updated Emarald Battle Frontier!

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    • I feel that too, it didn’t really feel like a pokemon game while doing the first trial. It felt a bit too much gimmic-y like Yokai watch.. They really changed a lot from the previous games this time..

      Hopefully I will still enjoy it (I probably will, but it needs some getting used to)

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      • I’m glad I’m not the only one who saw the Yokai Watch similarities.

        I like the changes to the overworld but the trials are begining to look like the disappointment I was anticipating.

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      • I’m sure the games will still have battles that are climactic, but they may not be involved with the trials. I’m thinking guzma, aether foundation, ultra beasts, etc.

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    • It’s only the demo so I’m not too worried. I mean after all, it was a demo and Kukui isn’t a trial captain. So I doubt that’s how quick our trials will actually be. It seems like (according to the trailers and lots of people who played a good amount of the game) that many of the trials involve some interesting things. Collecting ingredients, calming a rainy Pokemon, etc.

      Even if they are short don’t forget how much we might be getting thanks to all the types.

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      • its not how short they are, its what they consist of. Kiawe’s trial “watch 3 dances, spot the difference” or whatever. like, really? again, I don’t want to judge these preemptively, but still…

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        • Right. I’m sure they’ll be some that are pretty lackluster and some that are exhilarating. Just like some gyms of gym leaders are really memorable, some aren’t. also I have a feeling we might be able to battle them in the post game.

          Speaking of post game. I feel like that will be really improved this time around. Game freak I think is pretty good at fixing things that they are critiqued for. Ex: hms removed, gyms replaced and fresh new take, seems like a good story (people didn’t seem to enjoy X and Y story), etc.

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          • yeah that’s for sure, they are listening to complaints based on what we’ve seen. (inb4 pharap disagrees) lol jk pharap your a cool dude.

  62. POKE STAR STUDIO FREAKING CHEATS

    Ok so I wanna do all of the movies because I’ve never done that before but come on! I’m doing Invaders and I just can’t do it! I miss, then I get crits and I just can’t get the good ending! Blaahh

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  63. I must say with all of these different elements (UB, the two teams, trials, z-moves, Lillie, new Pokemon) in sun and moon I COMPLETELY forgot about legendaries .
    How are they even going to be integrated in the main story is confusing to me lol

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  64. do we know how z moves work? does the pokemon using the move need to hold the crystal? I should mention I didn’t pay attention to Pikachu’s held item during my trial.

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  65. One of the worst things about the new games is removal of the d pad. I have been playing these games using the d-pad since 2007.

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