Before Staters’ Evolutions are Revealed, Choose One!

Which starter will you be choosing in Pokémon Sun & Moon (which are out NEXT MONTH for the 3DS)? Before any of the starting Pokémon’s evolutions are officially unveiled, why not vote down below?

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Recently a string of reminders for Tuesday’s news reveal have featured Rowlet, Litten and Popplio with the text “Have you already decided your starting Pokémon?” While not a sure sign we’ll see their second evolutions this week, it could definitely be a hint towards their reveal!

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873 thoughts on “Before Staters’ Evolutions are Revealed, Choose One!”

  1. Prob gonna pick Popplio but will technically use my second game (getting the dual pack) to get myself all the starters so it doesn’t matter that much.

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  2. I love them all, and going to use them all regardless, but I’m going to go with Rowlet as my first draft pick. This is based solely on the basic forms. If the final evolutions are true, then I might have to change it to Popplio, but still; I love them all!

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  3. Poppilo has been my choice since it was revealed. I love Mermaid3 design, even tho it’s feminine still a great design.

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  4. Hey I’m back for a bit I’ve been playing Yo-Kai watch 2 All weekend so I’m gonna be a little less frequent till leaks or trailers come out

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  5. Popplio ALL. THE. WAY!!!
    On a serious note, I’m actually happy that if the reveal for those evolution leaks are true, I’m glad they’re giving the starters a more feminine look. I mean come on, half the the starters are 87.3% male anyway. Why not switch it up for a change. I for one love this idea.

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  6. Rowlett until the end! With it by my side we’ll blow away the competition! Plus I just know it’ll evolve into something magnificent!

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    • Ice Shard and weaknesses to Stealth Rock, Accelrock, Ice Beam, Sludge Bomb and all those Fire Types
      This thing better have wicked high speed and a niche to survive two minutes in competitive

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  7. I voted Rowlet but I’m using it on Moon and I’ll be using Litten for Sun. Disappointed by the Green Arrow final evo. But I can live with Litten3 knowing that it’s Fire/Dark.

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      • If the leaks of the finals are real, Litten3 is definitely Dark. The description for its persoanlity is literally exactly what Dark type is about. I don’t expect another Fire/Fighting starter probably ever again.

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  8. I had to settle for Litten because there’s no way I’m going to have that prissy mermaid on my team
    They lied to me they said Water/Fighting way back then…. I used to think to myself I’ll be set
    Popplio for Sun and Litten Moon because of the whole Ground icon but they were LIES

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  9. I wanted to use Litten, but it’s final evolution sucks.
    Popllio was bad from day 1, and it’s final evolution makes it worse
    Rowlett is the only that’s decent.

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    • More or less this. I don’t think Popplio’s final is that bad but still not good enough to choose it. I might seriously box my starter this time.

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  10. My main character will have Litten in sun. But depending on the final evolutions on Popplio and Rowlet I’ll have both of them too on my other two games. If I don’t like both I’ll only have one of them for my Moon version.

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  11. I’m voting for Rowlet all the way! So excited for the evolutions and hope you all are happy with the one you originally wanted!

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  12. I honestly can’t decide between Litten and Popplio, but I went with Litten since I usually go for the Fire type anyway (Tepig being the only exception). I may switch sides before the games come out, but as of now I’m going with Litten.

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  13. Wow litten is actually less popular than popplio. And of course rowlet is completely in the lead, I was between rowlet and popplio

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    • I don’t really see your logic behind that. Especially considering they were leaked by the Chinese branch, being the newest, they were bound to let things slip. I honestly don’t see how people can still be in denial about them from all of the evidence.

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      • If that starter evolutions were real, they would also all be released on serebii.net. That is not happening, so that developments are fake.

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        • Actually, Joe of Serebii posted on his Twitter months ago that these are real, but refused to put them on his site since they were leaks and he wanted to avoid getting a DMCA as it happened before with Pokemon Black and White, meaning the Pokemon Company keeps a close eye on Serebii. However the leaks have been confirmed for a while with quite a bit of supporting evidence. But to each their own mate.

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  14. Rowlet is my favourite out of these set of starters. But I usually don’t care much about the base form, the final evolutions usually seals or for me.
    But if I have to my opinion goes:

    Rowlet > Popplio > Litten

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  15. Rowlet sucks because of Ice type. That thing will be getting all kinds of OHKO from physical or special attacks, I imagine a life orb Ice shard taking it out. I don’t care about what people say I think the design of the leaked evolution is also boring and bland I imagine Rowlett being popular only in the US and some western countries.

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    • Grass starters are never really that popular anyway.
      I think the Owl looks the best personally. Not too much of a fan of the Tiger

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  16. So who here uses the site N4G to get the latest gaming information?
    I just ask because I find it odd that when I find news articles on Pokemon Sun and Moon (good and well written articles mind you) they are usually untouched or barely viewed.

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  17. I understand the bipedal hate toward littens final evo, but come on guys it’s a ferocious fire wrestling tiger! (basically king from tekken). I love it and can’t wait to pile drive team skull grunts into the ground 🙂

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    • According to the image writing it seems to fight dirty, if so I sure do hope it can learn Foul Play, as well as Sucker Punch and Fire Punch 😛

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          • I got a New 3DS and a 3DS XL waiting, but I worry for a few things, one being will Ditto be in Sun and Moon in the wild. The second being how long till the Day Care lol
            Though it doesn’t bother me as I do plan to play it after December for exams so by then I think Pkm Bank will be updated.

    • I just think it looks really bad. I used to be fond of the fire starters by default, but since Gen 5 they havent really been doing it for me.

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      • I agree. The design could defintely use tweaking and it might who knows! But personally I always choose fire starters because of how fierce and aggressive they seem. And i feel beltigre sums that up perfectly!

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  18. I guess I’m one of the few people who have zero problems with Sun/Moon so far from what they have revealed. That being said, I’ve been with Rowlet since they were first announced and I don’t intend on changing that. I don’t care if it’s 4x weak to ice, that’s why I have other Pokemon on my team to help cover it.

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      • I mean, that would be kinda broken, but a nice thought. It doesn’t really bother me that much considering the point of Pokemon is to have a team to cover all of your weaknesses.

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          • I haven’t completely decided on my team. I am getting both, but maining Moon.
            My team so far:
            -Rowlet
            -Lycanroc (Might be switched later)
            -Mudsdale
            -Alolan Ninetales
            -Wishiwashi (Maybe)
            -Empty Slot

  19. I wonder, what if they pull a funny and reveal the starter 2nd stage evos and MAYBE (its a strech here) the Alolan forms for the Johto starters?

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      • Suddenly Water/Ground Feraligatr?
        Nah, but it’d be funny if it was. I’m hoping we get the Battle Frontier back in Sun and Moon.

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        • I am not swayed so easily, you think if you dangled the word Ground type i’m instantly on board fat chance

          half the time people used Megas and Alolan forms as petty excuses to turn pokemon into whatever they wanted but that’s not how the system works

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  20. I was Team Rowlet at first, but when I saw the final evos, I decided that I’d like Popplio in the long run just a teeny tad more than Rowlet so I was converted and am now reppin for #TeamPopplio

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  21. If I was just looking at the first forms, Litten would definitely be my pick. Really unique design for a fire type. But Popplio 3 is just too perfect to pass up.

    So… Team Pop

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  22. Salandit is so good for a team with lots of fairies. Having access to fire moves to deal with steel types as well as corrosion to poison regardless of type makes it really great to switch into

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  23. Just to stir up a conversation: What types of movies would you like to see as TM’s, Or what type of TM’s would you like to see back or in Sun and Moon per say?
    I’d personally like to see Iron Tail return as a TM. As for a move that could become a TM, I’d be down to having Moon Blast be a TM. What about everyone else?

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  24. In the beginning I was saying Litten because I love cats, but then the leaks came and saved me from making a terrible decision.

    I’m still probably going to shove my starter in a box this time around because I really don’t like any of the starters after seeing their final forms (which is a first).

    I’ll probably choose Rowlett though because it’s the lesser evil.

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    • Not forcing yourself to use a starter really makes the whole experience better.You can use another pokemon you like more. My black playthrough is more fun with Lilligant as my starter

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      • In some ways I wish they’d just give everyone the same starter and make it something relatively bland but with reasonable potential. That way you’re not choosing your fate straight away and it encourages people to focus on catching other pokemon more.

        Like what Pokemon XD did with Eevee. You start with Eevee and then pick a form.

        Either that or they offer a wider choice than just 3 starters. E.g. offer 6 or 7.
        After all, Wally got to have Ralts, Ash got Pikachu, and I’m sure others have had non-traditional Pokemon as starters before.

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          • Yeah, it would mean people’s games would be much more varied. (Even if I know I’d always choose the same evolution)

            If I ever get a hold of some Rom hack tools again, I might hack a few old games into making Eevee the starter and see how the game turns out 😛

        • I actually like having to make a choice at the beginning, because it makes the experience different for each starter you pick.

          Also having more choices, makes the decision harder in my opinion. Personally I actually really like the starter formula they have going. It works and it’s not over complicated.

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          • There’s only been about 3 times where the decision has been hard for me, usually it’s a no-brainer, or it’s a choice between 2 because I rule one out straight away.

            It’s never been a problem up until now.

            Anyway they’ve scrapped gyms in favour of the island trials, why not change the rules for starter types?

    • Either that or pick Litten and refuse to evolve it, but the game mechanics ensure that it will always be weaker if I do that ; n ;

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  25. Rowlet, duh. Such any easy choice. And I’m gonna need sun/moon forms if I’m ever going to choose Litten. Hate that wrestling abomination

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  26. Why has everyone dismissed the starters getting split evolutions. Rockruff is the only pokemon to get version exclusive evolutions and it shares a secret with the starters. It makes sense. You could say “oh it is part of type null like the starters” but like, no. just no. That isn’t the secret.

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    • The problem is that it really doesn’t seem likely that the secret is split evos. Keep in mind that at worst having split evo’s for the starters would have people upset that their forever stuck with a line of pokemon that they don’t like based on what version they bought, and feel like Nintendo’s milking them for their money to buy both games, and at best it would make one of the two forms fall into obscurity as once someone figures out which form is objectively better, the other will never see any use.

      As well, remember its just that they share a secret. A secret can be anything. Honestly before the split evo theory, people assumed that rockruff might be a secret starter pokemon. More then likely the secret’s that they all have a unique z-move that only their lines can use, probably when fully evolved.

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  27. It’s so funny how when the starters were revealed Popplio was so hated and now it’s risen to pass Litten in terms of likability. I guess the final evolutions had a lot to do with that. lol That said Litten is still my favorite of the three in their base forms.I do like Litten’s final evo, but I have to admit Rowlet’s evo is pretty dope lol

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    • Final evolutions definitely did. Changed from Rowlet to Popplio (assuming the one revealed is for Moon that is).
      I also liked Delphox a lot more than I originally did when it was revealed though.

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      • I like all the new starters evolutions to different degrees. I like Rowlet’s as it just seems cool looking. I do really like Litten’s evo tho due to its concept. I REALLY hope it turns out part dark type like the rumors say. It being a heel wrestler sounds amazing! As for Popplio’s evolution I have to admit, when they first leaked I honestly thought they were fake. for whatever reason I never thought they’d make a starter overtly gender specific (despite a lot of them being male looking lol) so I called fake in my quest not to be crushed. lol However I never once thought it had a bad design. In fact I really like Popplio 3 as well. It’ll definitely get harder to choose as time goes on hahaha

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        • Totally agree. At first, I was very disappointed with Litten’s final, but now, I can see the concept of the heel wrestler and potential Dark type and it makes me less disappointed and more okay with it.
          But I still kind of won’t let go that I wanted Litten to be quadrupedal and be a majestic tiger. But, beggars can’t be choosers. :3

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          • What if you assumed for a minute it was Fire/Fighting and not Fire/Dark. How would that influence your decision?

          • I would be back to being disappointed, but I’ll still use it (since I use all the starters in the first playthroughs) and most likely I’ll find something else to like about it.
            It’s what happened with Emboar. Although its my least fav starter, I can still respect its design and stats somewhat.
            There hasn’t been a starter that I refused to use, and evern past first playthroughs, I still use them in future playthroughs.

          • I never had any issue with Emboar.
            I would have preferred it to end up as a quadruped, but I could live with it.

            Tony the tiger I cannot live with.

            I never replay games anyway, erasing my game would be like erasing one of the few happy chunks of my past.

          • I don’t mind replaying cause I love having new adventures. Because I can save my Pokemon easier on Pokemon Bank, I have less guilt to deleting the file, since the thing that made that playthrough great, the Pokemon, are saved forever so I can look back on it with memories.
            However, there is one version of the game I usually don’t restart (Due to various reasons)

        • I only have one issue with Popplio’s third form, and it’s the weird hair ties. If they got rid of the hair ties and let its hair flow free, it would be one of my more preferred water finals.

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  28. I can’t vote for now, since it says that I have voted already (when I haven’t), but as base form, I love Litten. Its personality and looks remind me of my own cat (which, as I am typing this, she is in my room being mischievous). But, as for the final forms, I love the other two more, mostly Rowlet, but Popplio’s looks amazing too

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  29. Let’s play a game. Badly describe your favorite pokemon (or least favorite if you want) and try to guess eachother’s

    Mine: Playboy the Pokemon
    (Least favorite: Tiny Wings On the Scene)

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  30. All 3 are amazing however I’m sticking with Poppolio! In OR and X I chose water starters and I want to stick with Poppolio. If it’s true he’ll become a beautiful siren then let’s do this, I love his final form!

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  31. I’ve been team Popplio since the reveal. He looks amazing to me. I feel like, especially this time around, the water type is actually gonna be the best overall. Especially if its Water/Fairy. Popplio’s description specifies his speed. Seeing how water types usually know ice type moves and the advantage over litten is there, he will probably easily be the best among them if he’s actually faster than both the others.
    To each their own of course. #TeamPipplio

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  32. I really like them all so im thinking of actually getting both so i can at least get 2 of them and try out a bunch of the new pokemon on my teams

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  33. Just made an account on Disqus to comment about this. I’m in #teamlitten from the start. I expect Litten3 to be quadrupedal so that it is different enough from other Fire starters. But I think GF chose the unexpected way and made Litten’s evo a wrestler. Still like its design compared to the other two. Even if it’s Fire/Fighting, it’ll be my most favorite Fire/Fighting Pokemon.

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    • I doubt it’ll be quadrapedal, the fire comes from a belt. I feel like even if it is fire/dark, it looks too much like fire/fighting for me to like it too much, it’s alright.

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  34. I wanna use Rowlett but lso Pikipek but I don’t like type clashes and theres probably very good waters so I don’t wanna waste water so I guess Litten

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  35. Alright so this is kind of a pre-info article, so here’s my predictions for Tuesday. I’m keeping in mind that this is a beginning of the month announcement, and those have been the biggest ones so far.
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    – Starter’s second forms
    – Toucan Pokemon
    – Alolan Persian
    – Akala Tapu
    – Akala kahuna
    —————-
    I know this is a lot to ask but we’ve had announcements far bigger. What do you think?

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  36. Almost done grinding and about to enter chargestone cave. here is my current black team
    Lilligant – Melissa ♀
    Dousion – Cyto ♂
    Mandibuzz – Avah ♀
    Tynamo – Elenor ♀

    Anyone playing through a pokemon game, what is your current team?

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  37. I cant vote on this poll. I always pick the grass but this gen, my friend will be choosing grass. I love cats but that litten evolution is awful, assuming its real which it most likely is. Popplio is my least favorite of the 3, but its final evo is amazing. We cant judge these pokemon by their middle evolutions, which usually look awful to an extent .(servine, quilladin, prinplup are just a few examples.)

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    • I agree with everyhing but the middle evos being bad.

      Monferno, Frogadier, Marshtomp, Wartortle, Charmeleon, Quilava, Bayleef, Croconaw etc

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      • I didnt say all of them, i just dont think we should judge them by the middle srage because the design quality is always up in the air. I think monferno, grotle, prinplup, servine, pignite, braixen, and quiladin are awful, but each of them has a pretty awesome final evolution.

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        • The only one of those I particularly dislike is Quilladin and maybe Servine.
          I don’t like Empoleon that much and I detest Samurott, but I agree the rest are reasonably good.

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  38. The only time I’ve not picked a grasstarter was in Y, where I picked Froakie.

    As a bird lover, and grass type picker, of course I’ll pick Rowlet.

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  39. I was tied between poplio and litten but since I’ve never chosen a water type starter out of all the generations I’m going with poplio

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  40. But we gotta remember there’s still the chance of having multiple evos forms like rofkruff, I’m guessing Rowletts sun evo will be ground based on the burrowing owl that are active during the day in hawaii, and then what if poplios evo could be an actual “sea” “lion”

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  41. Side note… Is Braixen the only Pokken unevolved fighter? That’s Really taking a dump on Delphox. While I don’t hate it’s design.. They really should of thought how it could never be popular

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  42. Anyone else going to catch everything they dont have yet? I’m goona catch literally every pokemon I see unless I have them and it’s goona be awesome. If the EXP All returns then I might even keep some in my party just so I can see their evolutions

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    • I would guess EXP Share being for all will return can’t see pokemon cutting that as a Key item when its already been in 2 games. but i could be wrong

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    • That reminds me of what I did in BW2. They had that habitat list thing. I was bent on completing it, so I caught every pokemon I could on every route!

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      • Lol I do this in every pokémon game, it makes my progression slower but I’m kind of dedicated to the pokedex filling RP, and to completionist exploration. If only I wasn’t too lazy/had the time to evolve them afterwards haha.

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  43. New news on Tuesday.
    Like always I will predict it might be shorter again or longer with new info or pokemon.
    What might be in the PokeNews but i DOubt it is:
    Toucan Pokemon
    Starter Middle Evos
    New info
    Idk

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  44. We’re hopefully in for another huge pokemon info dump like the kind we got with Mudsdale, wimpod, etc. If we dont get any new pokemon at all then I believe we have once again received a gen with a low pokemon count. That or they’re saving the new ‘mons to be discovered in game.

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  46. Honestly I love all 3 of them in their initial stages. Litten is a cute fire kitten, but he is my least favorite of the 3. Popplio is not ugly at all in my eyes, his floppy ears and big pink nose just make him even more adorable, like a cute marine puppy. However, lord Rowlet is on another level, so simple, yet so much personality, I can’t wait till I have my own Rowlet.
    If the Chinese leaks are real, then the order stays the same. I really dislike Beltigre’s design, Entermaid is gorgeous and elegant similar to a Milotic, but I like Robinroot a lot more! His archer design is just pure genius in my opinion.

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  47. sun and moon may become the best soundtrack. the battle musics and encounter musics are incredible imo. I wonder what the routes will sound like tho.

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  48. I am back after some time off, my birthdeer is in less than a week on saturday, so i will be getting a reserve on the dual copy of pokemon sun and moon with the money, but i might also do something special if i got enough left, gotta make sure i can do it before i say anything.

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  49. I might be one of the minority here but I’m choosing Litten as my starter.I don’t care what his final evolution looks like,I’m sticking with Litten no matter what.I do have a habit of choosing a starter than everyone seems to dislike because of appearance,terrible stats or bad movepool

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  50. On the subject of starters, what are your personal favorites from each generation?
    – Generation 1: Bulbasaur
    – Generation 2: Chikorita
    – Generation 3: Torchic
    – Generation 4: Piplup/Turtwig/Chimchar
    – Generation 5: Oshawott/Snivy
    – Generation 6: Fennekin/Braixen
    – Generation 7: Rowlet/Popplio

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    • Gen 1. Squritle
      Gen 2. Cyndaquil
      Gen 3. Mudkip
      Gen 4. Chimchar
      Gen 5. Tepig
      Gen 6. Chespin
      Gen 7. Litten (I switched :3)

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    • 1. Bulbasaur and Charmander are on the same level of awesome for me, and Squirtle’s not far behind that.
      2. Cyndaquil and Totodile are on the same level, I do like Chikorita a lot too.
      3. All 3 pretty much the same level for me, I’ve used Blaziken the most though.
      4. Chimchar. I like the other 2 as well, just nowhere near as much.
      5. Snivy, I don’t like snakes but I do like this line. Tepig is second and Oshawott 3rd, mostly because of how disappointing Samurott is after Dewott.
      6, Froakie. I don’t care how overused it may be, I love it and my Shiny Greninja, Chespin is second, Fennekin 3rd.
      7. Currently Rowlet, Litten 2nd, Popplio last. Largely depends on evos for me.
      I actually like a lot of Mid stages more than final evos, like Wartortle and Bayleef, so these can be pretty important for me.

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    • Based on the whole line, not just the base stage starter:
      Gen 1: Charmander
      Gen 2: Totodile (though cyndaquil is a very close contender)
      Gen 3: Treecko (best gen for starters, but the Treecko line is still above the bunch)
      Gen IV: Turtwig (honestly all 3 are awesome lines, but if I had to pick one it’s Turtwig)
      Gen V: Oshawott (I like snivy better but I find Serperior bland compared to the awesome Samurott.
      Gen VI: Froakie
      Gen VII: Rowlet (Absolutely no contest judging by the final evos)

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    • Gen1 Charmander
      Gen2 Cyndaquil
      Gen3 Torchic
      Gen4 Piplup
      Gen5 Oshawott
      Gen6 Froakie
      Gen7 Litten

      No to grass! Except maybe treecko

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    • Gen 1: Chamander/Squirtle
      Gen 2: Totodile

      Gen 3: Torchic/Treecko
      Gen 4: Piplup
      Gen 5: Snivy
      Gen 6: Fennekin
      Gen 7: Litten/Rowet/Popplio

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    • Gen 1: Charmander
      Gen 2: Cyndaquil
      Gen 3: Mudkip
      Gen 4: Chimchar
      Gen 5: Tepig
      Gen 6: Froakie
      Gen 7: Litten

      Love how nobody has identical lists 🙂

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    • Gen 1: Squirtle, although I like charizard more than blastoise
      Gen 2: Totodile
      Gen 3: Torchic
      Gen 4: Turtwig, but love all
      Gen 5: Snivy
      Gen 6: They all suck ass
      Gen 7: Rowlet

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    • I have multiple starters on a few team
      But I’ll pick just one.
      – Generation 1: Charizard
      – Generation 2: Quilava
      – Generation 3: Sceptile
      – Generation 4: Infernape
      – Generation 5: Serperior
      – Generation 6: Greninja
      – Generation 7: Rowlet3
      Was hoping for another Water Starter of my taste.. I own a few… just not my fave fully evolved

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    • – Generation 1: Squirtle
      – Generation 2: All of them
      – Generation 3: Mudkip
      – Generation 4: Turtwig
      – Generation 5: Snivy
      – Generation 6: Fennikin
      – Generation 7: Rowlet

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    • – Generation 1: Bulbasaur
      – Generation 2: Cyndaquil
      – Generation 3: Mudkip
      – Generation 4: Piplup
      – Generation 5: Oshawott
      – Generation 6: Chespin
      – Generation 7: Rowlet

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    • – Generation 1: Bulbasaur (Onion Toad)
      – Generation 2: Chikorita (Flower Dinosaur)
      – Generation 3: Mudkip (Friendly Swamp Beast)
      – Generation 4: Turtwig (haven’t played DPP yet though)
      – Generation 5: Oshawott (my mom calls him “Ocelot”)
      – Generation 6: Chespin (Tank Chipmunk)
      – Generation 7: Popplio (could change, I like them all)

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    • They should give it a special evolution sequence like this. Reminds me of the transformations in Dragonball or Animorphs.

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  51. Litten all the way for me, though they’re all so beautiful with such amazing designs imo, there’s really not one I dislike. So it’s hard to choose because this gen has some of the best starters, but my choice when they were first shown and still is my first choice has always been Litten, even with those starter leaks I still absolutely adore this Pokemon and even love the evolution so I wouldn’t be disappointed at all if those were legit. Would have to say that it’s one of my favorites starters 🙂 and I do tend to stick to Fire as well normally since its one of my favorite typings

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  52. It’s funny how Popplio was clearly the least popular starter in the beginning and now it’s tied with Litten. A lot of people jumped Litten’s ship after the art leaked and went to both Popplio and Rowlet lol.

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        • I think it’s better than it could have been. I was worried it would become huge and fat or something. The leak may not even be real yet.

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          • If it somehow wasn’t real I don’t think I’ll ever trust another leak again. This is the most credible leak ever in the history of pokemon leaks

          • I guess, still until it’s officially revealed I won’t fully trust it anyway, even if the leaker that was right about everything else says they are real. It’s not that I’m against them or anything.

          • Or they knew Mallow and made the rest up. I’m not saying I think they are fake, I’m just not fully on board until their official reveal.

    • Making “something that people don’t expect” does not automatically equal good. Also if it’s fire/fighting then there is really no surprise here at all. Litten3 just looks really cartoony and silly and worst of all, it’s so fucking disproportionate.
      Really curious to see how the second stage bridges the gap between litten and litten3

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    • Allow me to put up some personal thoughts about people hate for the design. When really it’s not ugly by any means.

      Tigrage (Litten’s evo)

      1. It in general: Oh where do I begin with the complaints on this one? There are plenty of reasons people hate this, but it’s not because it’s a bad or an unoriginal design, no, people hate it before looking deeper to why it’s designed like this. And as an artist I can see that this is a very brilliant design and has a surprising amount of thought put into it than I’ve seen in a while, and it there still so much I keep finding out about it. And let me give some of the reasons.

      2. It has big muscles and it wrestles so it must be Fire/Fighting type: To be honest when I first saw it I thought it was Fighting type too and if anything that would be my only qualm with this one, but thanks to translated descriptions of the concept art, it says it likes to cheat and fight dirty. Along with it’s menacing face these sounds like aspects of a Dark type pokemon. And a reason the Dark typing works for this form even more, is because Tigrage resembles a heel wrestler, the villains in the wrestling community. They cheat, fight dirty (doesn’t that sound familiar), and purposfully get boos from the audience which is called heat (which matches the fire typing). Remember, people also assumed Braixen was going to become a Fire/Fighting type because it stood on two legs. You’d think we’d learn to not jump the gun by now, but who am I kidding.

      3. It’s bipedal: This was always a dumb reason to me. Probably the most pettiest reason to not like a pokemon I’ve ever seen. Since when did we start giving about how many legs a pokemon stands on? Or when did we even care how animalistic a pokemon is supposed to look? It comes out of nowhere and I think this complaint only exists because the fandom needs SOMETHING to have a reason to hate a design. Have some ever bothered thinking how unoriginal a quad evo of Litten would look? That thing would be even more unoriginal and boring because it’d just be a tiger…on fire. That is so uninspired and lazy it hurts. Look, if you just play pokemon to watch actual normal animals fight each other, watch the Discovery Channel, you’ll get plenty of that than in a game involved with supernatural creatures which aren’t supposed to be normal animals. How many legs a pokemon stands on doesn’t make it unique or special. It’s such a minor detail, and it irritates to see this complaint that this is all it takes to make people hate a design.

      4. It’s proportions are dumb-looking: Oh yeah, you guys don’t like it’s giant hands huh? You ever questioned why they went that route? Let me give you an animal fact. Tigers have abnormally huge paws. Pretty much about as long and wide as your face. For a cat that is freakishly huge huge. So it having big paws actually makes sense to the actual animal. Also tigers are very muscular. So much, that one swipe from them can smash a bulls skull. So being muscley, also makes sense to the real life animal. So this thing stays more true to the animal than some people give it credit for.

      5. It wasted it’d wasted it’s potential: No, it lived up to it’s potential. This form was actually foreshadowed by Litten sinse day one. Remember that Litten keeps it’s emotions under the surface? As someone who does this as well, I know that if you bottle up your emotions like that, then you better be prepared to explode with tons of them eventually. And look how the final form ended up. You’re probably also questioning what happened to the oily fur aspect of Litten. Well that part of it also plays into this form, because wrestlers actually do cover themselves in oil for muscle definition. Did you also know that oiling yourself up is also a cheating method in wrestiling? That’s because it makes slippery and you can’t be grabbed. Remember Tigrage loves to cheat? Well it has a built in cheating method. That’s awesome. Another fun fact. Some people have noticed another particular part of Tigrage. If you ever hear of the alchemy theory for the starters, well you know Litten supposedly represents sulphur due to the markings on it’s head. Well some noticed another alchemic symbol on Tigrage’s torso. The stripes that connect to the belt resembles the symbol for vitriol, an oily acidic green substance that’s formed from sulphur. It’s sulphuric acid basically. You can actually see it spitting this green oil in the concept art. This guy literally spits acid. It may not be the Fire/Poison type people were expecting, but this guy has the potential to actually be able to use Poison type moves, which is awesome. This guy actually exceeded it’s own expectations rather than just stick to being a boring regular ol’ tiger. If anything, this is the most unique fire starter and big cat pokemon we’ve had yet.

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      • I just wanted the final form to be quadrupedal to make it more majestic and what not, but the more I get used to it and find things I like about it, the more I grow to accept it. Thanks for the comment, really helped me and showed I was going the right path. 🙂

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      • Good explanation my friend. I think people are afraid if Beltigre stands on 2 legs, it will be part Fighting. We still don’t know its typing yet, there are still some possibilities for it.

        In the design aspect, Beltigre is awesome. Imagine if it’s quadrupedal. It will look like Raikou and the other cat Pokemon (maybe like Persian on fire), even can be comparable with Houndoom. By being bipedal, it will be a different cat Pokemon.

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    • I disagree with this so much though. I don’t think unexpected is always good either I like starter evos to feel like natural evolutions. Sinnoh staters do that, balanced changes. I’m not saying the Litten evolution doesn’t do that, it does. But becoming brawny and fierce ? Pretty much like every fire other starter except for Delphox and maybe typhlosion. There were loads of memes depicting Litten with a muscular body as a joke, and that’s basically what happened. The only reason it’s unexpected for me is because I never thought they’d make a starter look fire/fighting again

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      • Charizard, Typhlosion, Blaziken, Infernape and Emboar, were definitely not brawny. Three of the were thick, and chubby, and three were svelte. This one’s actually the first muscular starter. Also, fierce is kind of the point of some starter evolutions.

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    • This is so accurate. One thing I’ve always disliked in fan designs are Pokémon that essentially look like bigger versions of what they’re supposed to have evolved from. I mean, you could argue that this /has/ happened before (e.g. Bulbasaur line only really has subtle changes as it grows)… but I mean, just look at the changes in Torchick > Blaziken, Froakie > Greninja, Chespin > Chesnaught (various examples of how vastly different an evolution can be, whilst still making some logical sense).
      P.S. Litten was my least favourite starter (it just seems so… generic), but it’s supposed final stage is not (that place goes to Popplio 3).

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    • I don’t find it a ‘bad’ design at all; it’s obvious someone put a lot of effort into it.

      It’s just that I (and obviously many other people) were really hoping that Litten would stay quadropedal and turn into a majestic tiger-like thing, instead of a hulked-out humanoid Tony Tiger-like thing.

      And yeah I know we already have Luxray, Pyroar and Solgaleo for majestic big cats that stayed quadropedal…but they’re all based on lions. A gorgeous lithe tiger would be *so* awesome.

      If this is Litten’s final evo, and it’s looking like it is…then I’ll be ok with it. It’l just take a while to get over the disappointment. (Hell, I got over Delphox I can get over anything :P)

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  53. ” I’m thinking how cool it would be to be a model like Elesa. And then, how cool it would be to research on Pokémon like Professor Juniper…” Bianca BW

    Wow things could have gone very different

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  54. Honestly, I was Team Popplio from the start. I always support the underdogs, but based on the Chinese leaks, Rowlet’s final evo looks amazing. A Robin Hood esq pokemon would be nice, except I hope it’s not Grass/Dark. In the end, I was and will always be Team Popplio, albeit a certain younger sister will pick Rowlet.

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  55. @starstorm295:disqus. I hope you like it. It’s basically the design you described, but it’s leek is a Sugarcane instead of a staff. I thought sugarcane could give it a better ‘grass type feel’ (refresh)https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/13118f6dc611454dcf58437e52b321e83f72519b82269180a64076c6e0afaf28.jpg

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  56. Well this day was stupid and dumb
    Tomorrow better go fast because nothing of any importance has occurred in these last week or so

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    • Lol I wish the weekend wouldn’t end. I’ve still got a Philosophy paper to do, Chem HW (which is practically impossible so we basically have to go to the office hours to get answers), a Calc III exam this week, a hurricane to deal with, and way more. I’d rather have nothing to do than everything to do…

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  57. Instantly I was Team Rowlet because if there was ever a Grass/Flying starter I would instantly choose it, and then there came Rowlet, who is awesome

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  58. I swear bad luck NEVER STOPS Three losses in a row and somehow Skuntank gets sleep powered wakes up the very next turn, poison jabs a crit AND POISNONED VIVILLION

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  59. everyone complaining about Litten3, then reveals to be a Fire/Dark type with badass states. Not a complaint even heard.

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  60. I love all three :3 but if i had to put them in order its rowlett popplio litten :3 so rowlett is fave atm but it all depends on what they evolve into/typings/stats/move pool :3

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  61. I still think I’ll go with Popplio, even if he evolves into that girly-looking sea lion thing. I want one named Booger (since he snorts water balloons) so I can go “Booger, I pick you!”

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  62. I’m getting both Sun and Moon and I’m still largely undecided, I’m waiting to see the final evolutions, but my tentative choices are Litten and Popplio.

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  63. I like Brionne but I’ve been going with Rowlet since I first saw it. Also, I wanted to say something about the “leaked final evolutions”. I feel like the leaked finals should be taken with a grain of salt. Because I’m not gonna lie, we don’t truly know if they’re legit. They could be real or extremely good fakes. We won’t truly know until Pokemon themselves confirm it.

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