Gym Leader Showdown: Kalos

Greetings Junglers, Evan here! I’m bringing you the last regional Gym Leader Showdown, after which the grand finale will take place! But first: the winner of last week is Elesa! She won with 21% of the votes, which is a lot considering the amount of Gym Leaders in Unova. She’s followed by Marlon (14%) and Skyla (13%).

Unova - Elesa

Now is the time to choose between Kalos’ Gym Leaders. Choose wisely and let us know your pick in the comments!

Viola Kalos - Viola

  • Gym Leader 1
  • Bug
  • Surskit and Vivillon
  • Santalune City
  • Bug Badge
  • Infestation
  • Name: The plant
  • Trivia: Viola is the only female Bug-type specialist.

Grant Kalos - Grant

  • Gym Leader 2
  • Rock
  • Amaura and Tyrunt
  • Cyllage City
  • Cliff Badge
  • Rock Tomb
  • Name: Granite
  • Trivia: Grant is the only Rock-type specialist who doesn’t use a member of the Geodude or Onix line.

Korrina Kalos - Korrina

  • Gym Leader 3
  • Fighting
  • Mienfoo, Machoke and Hawlucha
  • Shalour City
  • Rumble Badge
  • Power-Up Punch
  • Name: K.O. and arena
  • Trivia: Korrina is the only Kalos Gym Leader to have two pieces of VS artwork.

Ramos Kalos - Ramos

  • Gym Leader 4
  • Grass
  • Jumpluff, Weepinbell and Gogoat
  • Coumarine City
  • Plant Badge
  • Grass Knot
  • Name: Ramus (Latin for branch) and moss
  • Trivia: Ramos gathers tea leaves from their place of origin.

Clemont Kalos - Clemont

  • Gym Leader 5
  • Electric
  • Emolga, Magneton and Heliolisk
  • Lumiose City
  • Voltage Badge
  • Thunderbolt
  • Name: Lemon battery
  • Trivia: Clemont is one of the inventors of Super Training.

ValerieKalos - Valerie

  • Gym Leader 6
  • Fairy
  • Mawile, Mr. Mime and Sylveon
  • Laverre City
  • Fairy Badge
  • Dazzling Gleam
  • Name: Valerianella
  • Trivia: According to an NPC in Kalos, Valerie is from Johto.

OlympiaKalos - Olympia

  • Gym Leader 7
  • Psychic
  • Sigilyph, Slowking and Meowstic
  • Anistar City
  • Psychic Badge
  • Calm Mind
  • Name: Olympian (godlike)
  • Trivia: Placing your wrist inside Olympia’s bracelets will allow her to see your future.

WulfricKalos - Wulfric

  • Gym Leader 8
  • Ice
  • Abomasnow, Cryogonal and Avalugg
  • Snowbelle City
  • Iceberg Badge
  • Ice Beam
  • Name: Wolf and frigid
  • Trivia: Wulfric’s Avalugg is the highest-leveled Pokémon used by a Gym Leader at level 59.

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1,038 thoughts on “Gym Leader Showdown: Kalos”

  1. Actually, none of the Kalos gym leaders is astonishing for me but I will choose Valerie for being the first Fairy type gym leader and actually she is quite different and interesting with her whole “I want to be a Pokemon” concept.

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  2. The Kalos Region: How NOT to do gym leaders.

    Probably voting for Korrina since she’s not completely lame. Also, am I the only one who thinks something looks wrong with Viola..? Her crotch is super high up compared to her hips..

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  3. XY had the most forgettable gym leaders in the entire series except for maybe Korrina. It’s sad because BWBW2 gave the gym leaders actual story and made them do something other then stand in one spot in their gym

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      • I know. I’m using BW as an example because XY came out right after generation 5 and pretty much took a step backwards except for making the games 3D

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      • what dp lacked in story they backed it up difficulty. DP wasnt even that bad when it cames to story. Some of them have interactions between each other

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          • It’s everything to me. I don’t care if the leaders had personality, if I don’t remember their fight because they were pushovers, they aren’t good leaders. That’s the main reason I hate gen 6 in general.

          • … tbh I found gen 4 leaders to be pushovers with the exception of fantina, which may be why she’s the only one I remember, with xy i remember a lot more of them because their gyms and designs were interesting, like olympia and Valerie, but I forget about korrina and the grass leader all the time because they were simply lack lustre in their gyms, or totally awful in design imo (korrina)

          • See they don’t need to leave their gym to leave an imprint on me, I am at this point convinced I have a different definition of quality and rememberability than almost everyone here, which there is nothing wrong with, I’m just different I guess, honestly everything about Valerie, her gym, the town it was in and the surrounding areas had me totally amazed, but I understand most people have to have things told to them by the game to enjoy it, where as I usually see elements in the games that most people don’t and totally adore them

          • So what makes you like a gym leader then exactly..? Usually people like characters if they leave some sort of imprint on the player through dialogue and such.

          • My top things for liking a gym leader are as follows:
            -Gym Design
            -Leader Appearance
            -Speech
            -Backstory
            -Pokemon Used

            Valerie is the best imo because she wanted more than to just battle with pokemon, she wanted to understand them and know how they felt, thats why she got into fashion, she basically paid tribute to the pokemon she loved by modelling clothing after them in an attempt to understand them better.
            She speaks with such elegance and grace, and gives off one of the kindest vibes of any gym leader. And she is incredibly strong both in battle and out of battle, her outfits weigh outrageous weights and through all of that she can still mop the floor with you if she so desires. Her gym is the most perfect embodiment of both her personality and the fairy typing, with rich fall colours and a house inside a tree, with a whimsical essence throughout.

          • I see. Generally for me they’ve got to have a role outside of the gym. I can’t really just like a gym leader when they say a few nice things before and after the battle and then stand there and do nothing while the towns pokeball factory is being raided.

          • yes thats fine but in kalos really none of the gym leaders do any of that, and while yes Korrina does leave her gym the only reason she does so is to introduce the character to mega evolution, which any character could have replaced her and done, it doesn’t give her any more character development it just develops the plot of the game and to like her for that and think it makes her the best is absurd because aside from that she’s more lacklustre than most of the gym leaders in the region, and her gym is just a mess

          • You’re not the only one.
            Until today I’d forgotten Korrina left the gym, and apart from giving the player a Lucario I can’t remember anything she said or did.

            Valerie doesn’t need to leave the gym, her gym is a mansion with a tree attached and it’s full of Furisode girls in neat costumes.

            Plus the autumnal trail leading up to that town is probably my favourite route from Kalos purely because it’s the first time a game has had trees with orangey leaves and it was really pretty. Wasn’t too keen on the swamp, but the trees were nice.

            And the scary house was a bit of a dissapointment, I was hoping it would be more like the old mansion from Sinnoh, giving the player chance to catch ghost pokemon or something.

          • An excuse to bring the friend group back together for 5 minutes seemingly.

            X and Y always seemed unfinished to be fair. I think it took longer for them to upgrade to 3D than they expected so they ended up losing time to design pokemon and add stuff or something.

          • Pretty much every gym leader in existance is a pushover though. I haven’t lost to a gym leader since Gen 3.

      • Roark went outside his gym and you had to go get him.
        Gardenia shows up outside the Old Chateau, although I can’t remember if this was before or after the gym battle.
        Maylene walks to Snowpoint as “training”
        Fantina likes and iirc competes in contests.
        Crasher Wake is Crasher Wake.
        Byron didn’t really do anything but he’s Roark’s dad so I guess that counts for something.
        I can’t remember what Candice did either.
        Volkner was always the most memorable because of how Flint asked you to beat him up in a Pokemon battle, as he was getting bored of destroying anyone who faced him in a pokemon battle.

        I’m surprised you didn’t mention Emerald or even the original games to have boring gym leaders. Those are far worse than D/P/Pt in my opinion.

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        • I never played Emerald and never really cared to, I loved R/S but when emerald came out I couldnt afford it and didn’t see much in the way of it being too different. The original games however, yes they were pretty barren but in my opinion D/P didn’t really do much more than they did, however in HGSS they had a lot more quality

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          • R/S and Emerald are the exact same. I just mentioned Emerald because that was the game I played more when I was younger.

            Also D/P did a lot more than the original games did honestly. Especially with the gym leaders.

          • They aren’t the same. Emerald tweaked the plot so that Rayquaza got involved and R/S didn’t have the battle frontier. You could catch all three of the main legendaries, you got given a Johto starter after beating the champion. Also they swapped the gym leaders around slightly.

            It did a bit more by making the player encounter them outside their gyms, but otherwise not that much more.

          • I never really played RS. Emerald was one of the first Pokemon games I played, and I played the hell out of it.

            I know of some tweaks to the game over RS though, Incorporating both evil teams together, awakening both legends, Rayquaza and Sootopolis Cut Scene. My favourite change was Magma Base in Mt. Chimney (made so much more sense). Also the Gym leaders were made a bit more difficult. Emerald also tweaked the AI trainers so there were more optional Double Battles than in RS.

          • That’s why I never bought Platinum or B2/W2.
            Emerald’s battle frontier was a nice addition, but ultimately it was only slightly better than R/S.

          • Emerald is my favourite pokemon game. I just think the gym leaders are bland and don’t do anything, bar Wallace.

          • Roxanne and Brawly are forgettable admittedly.
            Wattson is more of a character and he takes you to new Mauville.
            Flannery might not do much, but she looks good doing it.
            Norman is the character’s father and shows that normal pokemon can present a bit of a challenge (not a major one, but a reasonable one).
            Winona has a cool winged hat.
            Tate and Lisa are to date the only gym with mandatory double battles. They’re easy enough to beat but the twin thing was pretty cool.
            And Juan (it was Juan in Emerald, since Wallace had become champion) was pretty suave, but not quite as cool as Wallace.

            Wallace was pretty cool apart from looking androgynous since he had a cape and a neat hat. Steven was the better chamion though, that kid knows how to dress.

          • The twins and the water type gym leader were all memorable, I agree on those.

            I’m just trying to be un-biased as possible. I can remember all the gym leaders in RSE off the top of my head but I can see how they can boring to some people or not memorable.

          • I agree with everything you said.

            Although in the anime Brawley was a surfer and Roxanne was a Pokemon School Teacher if I remember correctly. Unfortunately that didn’t translate into the games.

          • Roxanne was the first ever gym leader I faced in my pokemon career and one of the only only two I remember having problems with. But I was 7 and kept trying to use my Treecko to beat her, which wasn’t the smartest move 😛

            Brawly will always be quite forgetful for me though. His fight was remarkably easy compared to the rest.

          • welp, see I always get rock and ground mixed up because lets be honest they are super similar and usually are both present, so I usually think rock is weak to grass, whoops

          • Aparently it’s super effective against Rock, but Rock does x1 damage to grass, i.e. Grass doesn’t resist Rock. Weird.

          • Her Nosepass is surprisingly tough, even for a type advantage.
            Brawleys Makuhita was also tough with that vital throw, even when I was using Taillow and Ralts.

          • I literally can’t remember anything about when I beat Brawly other than I did it on my first try.

            Nosepass is surprisingly tough when you’re early on.

            Harden to up defence, Rock Tomb to lower opponent’s speed, then Tackle and Rock throw to do damage.

          • I played Emerald many times. Brawley was always a weird case, sometimes he wouldn’t be a problem, sometimes he’d be annoying as hell.

          • Just realised they replaced Rock Throw with Block in Emerald for Roxanne’s Nosepass. I bet they did that because of beginners struggling to beat her in RS

          • Emerald is a good game, more for its locations that anything. (And the incorporation of both Evil Teams together, and Rayquaza cut scene)

            To get to Dewford you have to take a boat.
            To get to Lavaridge you have to take a cable car to the top of a volcano.
            Fortree is a Treehouse City
            Mosdeep has a Space Centre
            You have to dive to get to Sootopolis.
            And of course Pacifidlog…floating town in the middle of the ocean

            And finally..that’s right you guessed it….Battle Frontier.

            Still my favourite Pokemon Game of all time.

          • Yeh, should have said Gen 3 (or more specifically Hoenn). But the convo earlier was talking about Emerald, so I just carried on from that.

          • RS didn’t have the Rayquaza aspect, In RS Rayquaza was just a dragon locked up in a tower none of the NPCs mentioned and it had absolutely zero lore to it. It was practically a secret pokemon, I only found the tower by chance.

            The other stuff @Chaos mentioned is pretty much the same, but there are other things he didn’t mention that are different.

          • to be fair it was mentioned in RS just only by a few npc’s because it wasn’t the main focus of the game

          • the tower I don’t think any did, but I distinctly remember at least two npcs mentioning the flying dragon that flies high over hoenn, I think one was in pediflog and the other was in the town to the left of the daycare

          • “There is also a legend in Pacifidlog Town of a flying Dragon Pokémon that never needs to rest.” – Bulbapedia, it only refers to one pokemon and most people pretty much agree its rayquaza and even bulbapedia says this, no one says anything about the other two, and there is another npc that mentions it I just can’t remember where or id find the evidence for you

      • I liked Gardenia, Volkner and Wake.
        None of them were particularly challenging but I sitll think most were designed better than the Kalos ones.

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          • Weird, I never had any problem beating her. Just get a decent Starly or something (I used my Chimchar to be fair).

          • Drifloon should be capable, Buizel would be a bit weak, Kricketune should do well, Grotle and Luxio are so so and Wormadam should be fine for Roserade.
            Don’t see why she’d be an issue.

          • Krickitune was Lv. 12
            Grotel, Luxio, Buizel, and Wormadam were 21
            And Drifloon was 15

            Wormadam was too slow
            Grotel almost did well along with Luxio

          • Those levels are really unbalanced.
            You should listen to those NPCs that say it’s bad to not train your team evenly 😛

          • I mostly do only I got tired of training Drifloon and I tried to make an anime like one and Krickitune was technically not supposed to be their but I have and brought it back

        • I never used mega evolution during the main storyline, I pretty much boxed the Lucario right off the bat because I had a better one that I used to beat hers 😛

          Besides which they could have given that role to anyone and it wouldn’t have made much difference.

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          • wow we just said like the same thing lol, I guess we’re on the same slant of things this time 😛

          • lol, is it sad that octillery is one of my fav water types? but yeah i get that its transformation is a bit jarring, as a child I always thought remorraid evolved into matine because I could never find one in the wild, I soon learned better

          • There’s nothing wrong with Octillery, it’s a good pokemon. It’s just the fact it evolves from Remoraid. I think in Gen 2 they ended up just grouping pokemon that didn’t really fit together because they didn’t want too many non-evolving pokemon. They already had Smeargle, Girafarig, Dunsparce, Qwillfish, Misdreavus, Honchkrow, Mantine and Skarmory, so I think they were getting desparate to be honest 😛

            I think I evolved Remoraid by chance or noticed that Octillary was next in the dex and took a gamble. Or maybe one of the fishermen mentioned it or something.

  4. God, every time Kalos comes up I realize more and more I dislike it. Especially mountain Kalos. the whole western side of kalos is so bland and slow and I don’t like it and…

    blaaaaahhh Kalos whyyy

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  5. Im not the biggest fan of the Kalos Gym leaders, I really like Clemont because of the anime, but if I had to pick one just considering the video games, then I’d say Olympia. She is elegant, mysterious, and intimidating in a way (atleast for me). I also like the fact that she had been foreshadowing Pokémon Moon’s mascot right in front of our faces from the very beginning.

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  6. Anybody think Olympia will have a part to play in sun and moon or make a cameo? I think it would be nice of they tied her to the legends some how.

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  7. Olympia should’ve been the last one. She’s way more interesting than the silly ice guy.
    Ps: Japanese people seem obsessed with black gym leaders being rock type.

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  8. Ughhhhhh one thing peeved me was the lazy Badge names
    Bug Badge, Psychic Badge, Fairy Badge,
    Bug should’ve been the Shutter Badge
    Psychic should’ve been the Cosmic Badge
    And Fairy…..Ehhhh Pisshit Badge or Nymph Badge

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        • I don’t hate them, I’m just playing on Eartherns emotions.

          Although having said that, I don’t love them either, and think we could have done without.

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        • I don’t hate the type, but how man are in gen 7 already bothers me. We have around nine fairies so far (I think) one dark. And outside of Alola forms, we have no new dark or ice, and we have like 7 fairies.

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          • honestly I’ve argued many times as to why its not really all that many, and that the introduction of the ones we have are not taking away from other types but at this point I just accept that people don’t really listen to me all that often so all I will say is wait until the game comes out before you say that, because so far all we have is what gf chooses to show us and we have no idea how many pokemon are in the games, heck there could be more ice and dark then fairy once the games come out so…

    • Also why do you hate fairies so much? It’s not like they nerfed ground, if anything they buffed ground because ground counters the types good against fairy.

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        • It was always fretting over Psychic and Flying now I got to start using what little move slots for Iron Head or Poison Jab

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          • Well if it was weak to Dark, Steel, and Poison, it wouldn’t be too similar to Psychic! 😛 But I see the point. I’m still pissed it’s strong to dark AND resists Bug. Bug didn’t need that!

          • dark and bug wouldn’t make any sense though because in fairy lore fairies are tricksters and morally ambiguous, so they are not fazed by evil, but sometimes are evil themselves, and a lot of the time they live in close quarters with bugs and usually have dominance over them

      • I’ve said this many many times
        I hate Fairy Type Pokemon on two different levels

        The Competitive scene is now flooded with the little bastards and they’re very annoying in their own way, Azumarill’s butts high attack and access to BDrum and AJ, Togekiss and Whimsicott were annoying before but now Fairy users have access to them, Klefki are annoying, I’ve proven Slurpuff is nightmarish, and the Megas are just very powerful

        And the other half is the people, I just hate all the moronic drooling nitwits who think everything should be a fairy for stupid reasons or just because we need more and more, and not for nothing the idea how hundreds blindly flocked to team fairy makes my gut churn with bile, Pikachu should be a Fairy, Camperl a fairy, any tiny cute mythical a fairy, cresselia a fairy, Milotic a fairy, you must admit that can get annoying watching them blindly want

        That is why I Lord High and Mighty EarthenWarrior, Esquire do solemnly swear that I shall hate Fairy Type Pokemon for the rest of my days

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    • Shutter badge wouldn’t have made sense because it’s nothing to do with bugs, but you’re right that Bug Badge was plain. Should have been ‘Elytron’ or ‘Carapace’

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  9. “Corrina”… Spell check boys! lol. Anyways, she’s my pick because she’s done the most with the player. From providing the Mega Ring and assisting with trainer. I’d say that she had the largest presence of all the leaders!

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  10. I’m rather baffled with some of the comments on the Jungle. I’m confused to why X/Y and sometimes OR/AS is getting a surprising amount of hate. We were all extremely excited to play the games, but suddenly I’ve notice a dive in the amount of people who enjoy the titles. Everyone obviously could for their own opinion, but I thought X/Y/OR/AS were some solid titles. They looked amazing, had interesting battles (really needed more difficulty tho), and had some outstanding music. I’m not going to lie, I believe S/M will dwarf these titles in terms of content, gamplay, and quality. Yet, for GameFreak first drastic try to create a 3D Pokemon Game, it’s rather commendable.

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    • Because XY was ruined due to leaks from early obtained games, ORAS had literally every new feature spoiled by the company, XY had short gameplay and was too easy. ORAS lacked the post game. But even then ORAS>XY

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      • ORAS had a post game, just only one “new” place to go to. I don’t think anyone would’ve bitched about it if they had included the Battle Frontier (which should’ve been in the game)

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      • That’s completely true. Yet, I don’t know about “short gameplay”. It takes about 18 to 20 hours for me to complete the main-game of X/Y. That’s quite usually for an RPG.

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        • the game wasn’t short, people just thought it was because it hinted at something more after the main game, and when there wasn’t people look back and think that it was short

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          • I say that’s more for modern RPGs. I’ve played RPGs that have gone on to 50+ hours. Xenoblade Chronicles and X had to be some the longest I’ve played.

    • If you compare the plot in X&Y to past gens, it’s very weak. Kalos also had diversive starters, uninteresting characters, and no post game. I think ORAS were a solid remake, although not as good as G/S to HG/SS was.

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    • X/Y just seemed very rushed tbh, and it showed. Bland characters, unimportant (and not to mention, unmemorable) locations, poor story line, and way too easy. It also helps to understand that a lot of people were hyping up X/Y, and it just didn’t seem to live up to it.
      I personally enjoyed them, but only as a one-time run through. S/M will definitely be a lot better from the looks of it.

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      • I understand where people are coming from. I even stated before that it felt like GameFreak focused more efforts on creating an amazing looking 3DS game over the story. Literally, Korrina and Wulfric were the only leaders with a semblance of personality. I remember a bunch of locations due to the music, but I’d say it was a good attempt at a 3D Pokemon Game. It’s obvious that S/M is going to be superior right out the gate.

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        • Careful there, I thought XY were going to be the best games ever from the looks of it, and look what happened. I’ve decided to not judge SM just yet.

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        • I think a large chunk of their time went into rewriting the engine to work with 3D models instead of sprites.
          People tend not to realise just how much work that actually requires, seemingly even the GF team when they were making X & Y.

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      • As someone who wasn’t keeping up with the hype, it still didn’t seem quite as good as I had hoped.
        It seems like they spent too long making the 3D stuff pretty just to justify their migration to 3D.
        Most of the easiness was because of the change to the Exp Share mechanic to be fair. Pokemon levelled up much much quicker.

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    • I’m surprised that you’re surprised. XY’s plot was a repeat of gen 4s, it introduced an abysmal amount of new Pokemon, it lacked any bit of difficulty, it’s signature new mechanic mega evolution felt rushed to me, and they led to the meta game of gen 6 being one of the most repetitive and bland we’ve seen in years. It was fun one time through, but I hope they never make another gen like 6. I dearly hope that SM can make up for what gen 6 lacked.

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      • I also forgot to add that I feel like they added new features just to say that they did. Mega evolution for one, but there’s also sky battles, inverse battles, and many more mechanics that had the potential to be cool, but they didn’t let them live up to their potential.

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        • Very understandable. I love Mega Evolution, but the concept did feel rushed. I don’t get the connect to Generation 4, but I would agree with random concepts being added just to have them.

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          • Well, that’s just my opinion, the plot being too similar. The way I see it, they are both using the energy of the legendary Pokemon to reset the world and create their own.

          • Ulimately the plot of every game but Kanto (and maybe Johto) is “use the legendary to force people to accept what we want the world to be like”. In Kanto is was just “steal ALL the pokemon”.

    • We were excited to watch Batman vs Superman, that doesn’t take away from how bad it was once, we actually saw it.

      The same applies to these games I guess. I just feel the execution could have been better of the overall games.

      Although having said that I really enjoyed the changes they made to the competitive scene, I just feel the games themselves were lacklustre.

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    • Well its kinda complicated I guess.

      X and Y from the outside looked amazing. We had little story details but the game itself was visually impressive. Mega evolution and fairy type turned everything on its head. Then the game came out and story and region were both terrible compared to the greatness of Gen 4 and 5 and even 3 before. Lots of the music was repetitive and sort of annoying (Exception being Route 15 and Legendary battle them among a few others) They were way too easy, and was super bland. The story was poorly executed too.

      ORAS was an improvement but still had lots of problems. It kept the easiness from X and Y and had no surprises. On top of it being a remake, anything that would surprise us was revealed before hand. Every single mega, the delta episode, contests, characters. There was nothing new to find. ORAS also suffered from blandness and I would take Emerald over it anyday.

      A Z version could’ve fixed everything but instead they skipped it and went right to Sun and Moon. And while I would rather go to Alola and go back to Kalos, it just leaves gen 6 being completely mediocre

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        • They shouldn’t reveal every single piece of info on the games! Trailers and reveals are supposed to hype you up and sell you on the game. They expect fans to look at reveals. Leaving no surprises outside of that is unacceptable.

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        • How exactly do you not spoil yourself with officially revealed information. If most of your interests are Pokemon related, you are bound to run into spoilers, as everyone will be talking about them.

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      • I’d have to disagree with the music part, I enjoyed a number of the themes from X/Y. None of them got rather annoying except Lumiose City when I got lost. lol. I like to see GameFreak fix a number of the issues Kalos had. The region had potential, but I already feel that Alola will instantly be superior.

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        • I have no idea what a wife beater is. But not like the rest of the leaders had amazing teams. Gym Leaders really went down hill from BW onwards.

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          • Still better than all other XY Gym leaders, that says a lot. What the hell are Valerie and Olympia even doing with their lives. Smh

          • clearly, if they don’t have elegance, grace or beauty, then they better have a kick ass personality or they are too basic for me.

          • I prefer simple designs, without the over the top features (hair styles, accessories e.t.c).

            That makes them seem more down to earth and realistic. The type of People that could be seen as powerful, influential figures, which is what Gym Leaders and E4 are supposed to be… ( this is why I like Steven so much, his design represents someone with power and influence)

          • I think we have a different definition of power as well, steven was fine I have no problems with his design, but I for one dislike anything thats too realistic or down to earth, I like characters that are powerful from the beginning and just keep getting stronger, I was never a fan of the normal kid who gets power thrust upon them and changes the world archetype, I always liked the “they were special from the beginning and just didn’t know it”

            simple can be elegant and beautiful, and imo neither valerie or olympia are over the top (at least in pokemon standards)

          • Yeh, I’m thinking about not just Pokemon battling. I mean how well is the character known and revered to by those around him. Does the character demand respect in every appearance. I don’t like characters who are too flashy, I like the calm and collected, cool character archetype. The type that doesn’t need attention, but gets it because of who he is.

            Also Valerie’s wings, and Olympias entire dress and those rings, don’t tickle my fancy.

          • different people like different things, and I can respect that, as long as you’re not referring to the characters that try too hard to be edgy and such, like Paul or Trip from the anime, god they were awful. In a very different way than ash.

          • I did not like either of those two. There’s badass, and then there’s trying to hard. Those two fit into the trying too hard.

          • Olympia looks like she should be a superhero saving people and shit. Valerie should be at comic con or something haha

          • That’s interesting. They’re generally called tank tops here, although the white ones like that are supposed to be worn under other clothes or some people wear them at night. I think it makes you look like a bit of a douche if you wear it in public, but that’s just me

          • We only call them tank tops if they’re worn as a top and not an undergarment, and even then only some people, not everyone. ‘Tank tops’ tend to be thicker though.

            It’s not uncommon to see them worn instead of a shirt here during the summer. Mostly by men though. And runners wear them quite a lot too.

          • Yeah, that’s pretty much it. “Wife beaters” are like the undershirt type, and tank tops are thicker and colored, usually. Vests to us are sleeveless and usually use either a zipper or buttons. They’re typically worn with either dress suits or there are other kinds you can wear with winter clothing. They don’t see much use outside of that.

          • Possibly, they’re not very popular here though so I don’t know what people would call them. Might have the same name.

          • This is certainly not a vest my friend. If anything the proper name would be a tang top but in urban areas this specific type of shirt is known as a white beater and you can buy it from pretty much and local store for less than 4 dollars

  11. Olympia because se has the coolest gym, she looks amazing, elegant and majestic, wise and mysterious which are traits that I like in Pokemon and characters.
    My second choice would be Valerie

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  12. honestly the game I go back and replay the most is HGSS, but followed right behind that is XY, so I really don’t see how it doesn’t have any replay value, imo it has the most replay value, a lot of the longer games honestly I don’t feel like replaying because they are such an investment and you can’t just pick them up and go through them at a merry pace, and thats fine if you play it for the first time, but it doesn’t make me want to go back and play it again, xy is long enough but not so long that it makes you lose interest. Who has time to play games that long more than once you become and adult. I don’t.

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    • X&Y has replay value, all pokemon games do, but I’m not really “excited” to replay it, compared to Gen 4 and 5 games. And you can make time. Pokemon games are pretty casual.

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      • I make time for brand new games, I rarely make time to replay pokemon games with the exception of the two mentioned, and occasionally ORAS for breeding and such

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        • I’m just saying you mention not having time, yet you replay HG/SS, which is a pretty long game, especially because you basically HAVE to grind.

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          • yeah because I love them beyond all else, none of the other long games warrant that, they are the only long one that I make time for, as I have said

    • HGSS is just so rich in content and life. The colors are vibrant and the region as a whole is filled with charm. Johto is filled with pokemon you don’t think of using in other games so you can have many different teams each playthrough. Battle Frontier, Pokeathelon, just so much to do. It is an example of what a pokemon game should be.

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          • Haha me too. I’m going back to replay them after I beat platinum. Haven’t decided how to play them though. If I do a Nuzlocke, it’s more difficult and emotional, but there would be lots of grinding involved, so idk.

          • That would take months. The grinding in HG/SS is the worst of basically any game. It makes me take off a whole point of the score.

          • Especially with school starting up, yeah. I haven’t decided but if I decide to do a regular playthrough I’m going to consult you guys for certain Pokemon. I know I want to use Mismagius and Slownkng though.

          • You’ll have to trade a dusk stone to get Mismagius before the E4, but I did it with Honchkrow so I’d recommend it.

          • Don’t be afraid to use an action replay to increase XP during grinding. If these games have one flaw its leveling up. AR’s are perfectly fine as long as you are reasonable with your levels and dont just go level 100 for the first gym. Maybe do like, No higher than the next gym’s strongest pokemon

          • If you’re gonna do that just battle all available trainers before the gym and then raise them to the same level as the leaders highest pokemon.

          • I don’t have one, and I’m scared too. My friend told me that his game got corrupted using one. Idk if that’s possible, but that’s what he told me.

          • Just stick with preloaded codes in that case. Be careful about ones you use online. I had my platinum save ruined by trying to breed mew and got duplicating bad eggs. I have never had an issue with the ones that are preloaded into the device though.

          • That’s because people don’t realise how they work.
            They overwrite areas of memory based on the code formulation, and some codes erase more then they’re supposed to.

            I only ever used one once on my fire red after my friend convinced me it was a good idea. It stopped me being able to trade with RSE because it cleared the flag saying I had the ability to. Never used one again.

    • XY had a lot of Pokemon for replay value, I’ll give it that, but it was so easy that there was no reward in replaying it for me. Also HGSS are the perfect example of what a Pokemon game should be. Those games were phenomenal, and loaded to the brim with great content.

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    • White 2 is a game I could continuous return to, due to it being my favourite. I’m not the largest HG/SS fan, in fact Johto is my least favourite region. HG/SS did have the length added from exploring the entire Kanto Region in addition to Johto. X/Y has a bunch of replay value due tot he amount of Pokemon. The games are easy, so I felt like I’d make a bunch of progress rather quickly.

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    • I played through Emerald more than 20 times. My longest Hours of playtime were over 500hrs. All spent on that dratted Battle Frontier. Never even got the Gold medals 🙁 But loved every moment of it.

      I have to admit I played a lot of Competitive at the end of XY, but I lost interest in it very quickly.

      ORAS I completed once….and haven’t touched it since.

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    • I honestly can’t “go back” to a Pokemon game once the generation is over. It always feels so empty and then I miss all the newer Pokemon and updates. It just feels like I’m playing a really outdated game which is why I loveee remakes.
      Starting to really look forward to returning to Sinnoh. Fairies, 3D graphics and visuals, revamps to the stories. Ugh it’s all going to be so magical

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  13. One the topic of Pokemon Games, what is your top five most favourite Pokemon Games?
    For me, 1. Pokemon White 2, 2. Pokemon Platinum, 3. Pokemon Omega Ruby, 4. Pokemon Y, and 5. Pokemon Fire Red.

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  14. So in my lows of boredom I pursue my creativity of I want to see in SM
    And unsurprisingly I want to see a new Ground/Grass type in the form of a Terracotta Pot with a plant growing inside
    Like a Wiggly plant creature who fashioned a protective shell from dirt and clay, or just merely hides under a pant pot and pretends to be one to avoid being attacked

    And for its evolution a much different route, a literal Terracotta plant Warrior
    Think of a suit of armor made out of plant pots and connected by plant vines

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  15. Similar to what Libra said below but not what’s your favourite game. I want to know your favourite storyline in game 🙂

    For me it has to be BW and continuing into BW2. I loved that. It was the first game to really try make you think ” wow am I wrong to make Pokémon battle” I really enjoyed the different style !

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  16. If nobody heard about this, Kingdom Hearts 3 was listed for the NX by EB Games. They quickly removed the information once they figured out it was up. I think this might be a possibility of KH3 releasing on the NX as well. Square Enix has heavily talked about supporting the system.

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    • I seriously think the reveal date of the console will be announced soon. Like, tomorrow. Nintendo has been on a news hiatus this week, and that break ends late tonight. They can’t hold back much longer.

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        • I read multiple people on Neogaf saying that Nintendo was on some break from August 8-15. I can’t find any sources for it though, but I suppose it doesn’t matter. Also, Tuesday is a day they use for announcements for some reason.

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          • They always announce their E3 plans about a month early. It’s always about a month of forewarning before major events like this. I don’t believe this will be treated like a normal Nintendo Direct with a day or two of speculation. Sony did, in fact, announce their reveal date for September 7, and that same rumor said that this was in response to the NX’s “week of September 12” reveal date. Since Sony gave so much advance notice, and they are aware of the plans, why wouldn’t Nintendo also give advance notice?

      • I mean they already gave us a ball park year and season/quarter that it was coming out in, why would they give us an exact date when they haven’t even showcased the console yet?

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    • not gunna lie, I think the hype of BOTW got a lot and I mean a lot of people hyped about the NX, and it looks like a lot of developers see a lot of promise and are starting to jump on board, I mean there is already a dragon quest game slated to come out for it and now this

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  17. Marshadow’s theory No.2

    I am still in Zodiac theory ….As u see in the pic below every constellation in Zodiac is ruled by some kind of planet. http://image.shutterstock.com/display_pic_with_logo/548632/319562576/stock-vector-set-of-astrologic-infographics-solar-system-planets-with-constellations-horoscope-and-zodiac-319562576.jpg

    The mos importnat for us is sun, moon and mars cuz yeah I still believing that Marshadow represent mars …..Solgaleo is represent leo (sun) and Lunala ????….yes after doing more research I can guarantee Lunala represent cancer here is the prove ….this page from Arabic astrological text Book of Wonders.
    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d9/Book_of_Wonders_folio_7b.jpg/396px-Book_of_Wonders_folio_7b.jpg

    So Marshadow is one of 2 ….Scorpio and Aries ….Solgaleo is surface ,Lunala is sky to complete this we need (depth) …..yeah it’s Scorpio …Marshadow is Scorpio.

    ……could be continue.

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    • Of course it’s lion r 2nd animal after snake in symbolize most of ancient civilizations use it in there myth and symbol……..it connected with sun and fire most of time but he can represent water,forest, metal and funeral.

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  18. I just hate how they all only have 3 Pokemon. By the 8th gym leader, there’s no reason this shouldn’t be a six on six battle

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      • Your comment actually has a lot of validity. As time went on in this franchise, things got more convoluted. But in gen 1, they pulled out all the stops: starters, challenging battles, evil rivals, evil teams, memorable characters, just a few rare legendaries, rare pokemon, an epic climax

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          • I feel like that’s a good medium. It wasn’t XY easy, wasn’t Platinum hard. Also yeah, if you don’t like it you have settings.

          • I feel like an easy beginning with the mechanics explained to the character, then one small challenge to keep them engaged, then slowly upping the difficulty is a better approach

          • Because a younger person will still choose the hard version, then quit the game. (But I would love me a hard version to test my skills, being the Pokemon expert I am and a lot of people here are)

          • Well the leveling up/lucky egg is really appreciated, imo. Helps with the grinding they can never perfect. Some of the gyms were challenging, like Elesa and Lenora. But yeah, not too hard.

          • I honestly liked the hard leveling up better. When B/W first came out, I was only 8 so I thought it was cool how fast they leveled up (heck I evolved my Tepig before I even challenged the first gym), but now I’m 13 and I respect the difficulty of leveling up Pokémon.

          • oh my gosh you’re a pokebaby! good on you for traversing BW at such a young age, I know a lot of younger kids had a tough time with it

          • I don’t appreciate being called a baby :/
            Yeah. Soul Silver was my first main series game (when I was 6). I enjoyed the difficulty a lot 🙂
            I loved my Ledian. It was my all time favorite Pokemon. And it still is one of my favorites…. Actually. Ya Know What? It is my favorite.

          • sorry I just mean that compared to most of the people on this site (as it seems) you’re like the youngest one here, but I get sometimes kids don’t like being called that, it makes them feel like they’re being talked down to I suppose, that all changes once you reach adult hood lol, its all downhill from there 😛

          • Eh. I don’t really care that much. I think we have our top 3 youngests right here

            3) The Last Kurusu/ Diglett Bros. 15
            2) Poekoko 13 (We’re buds in real life as well)
            1) Me. I’m younger than Poekoko by a few months.

          • I mean, thats really tall for a 13 year old, I’m around that height, dont know 100% because I haven’t measured my height in like 4 years. I didn’t stop growing until I was like 21 (i think I stopped at least, maybe others are shrinking) I’m 22 now.

          • Lol poke baby.. I was 10 when it came out and boy did I have trouble with Ghetsis. BUT I LOVED EVERY MINUTE OF TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO BEAT HIM!! And that’s why I hope new Pokemon players get that same experience in these generations…

          • Wow, you’re pretty young. Maybe the leveling in B/W is easy, but if you’re playing on challenge mode in the sequels, you’ll need to do some grinding.

          • You still unlocked the keys though I believe. I’d recommend challenge mode if you get the chance. It can be really hard. My battle with Elesa and no ground type was a doozy. I only had petilil, minccino, and a bunch of fillers

          • Yes my brother quit Pokemon after BW because it was hard that was semi easy yet he’s making a come back cause I have him on board for Sun version and plays Diamond and Platinum

          • BW didn’t have enough surprises. It didn’t have you salivating at the mouth for the next surprise. Though good on paper, it was linear and unengaging

          • see this is what I often say, kids these days will not play the games if they are too hard, there are some kids out there who probably found XY hard, whats easy for older people is a lot more challenging for children which the games are mostly directed at, so yes a difficulty setting would be fine, but making them harder in general would not fly in the market

          • I think he’s getting much better cause he thinks more so do I actually and we can over come obstacles excluding taking both of us 2 hours to get through Cornet a few weeks ago!

      • IMO, it should be:
        1st and 2nd gym – 2 Pokemon
        3rd, 4th, and 5th gym – 3 Pokemon
        6th – 4 Pokemon
        7th – 5 Pokemon
        8th – 6 Pokemon

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        • I disagree, I think it should be:
          3, 3, 3, 4, 4, 5, 5, 6
          Or maybe
          3, 3, 4, 4, 5, 5, 6, 6

          Depends how far apart the gyms are though

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  19. Well. See you all tomorrow. I’m gonna look for things on the most dreaded place in history…………………….. The GTS….

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  20. hey guys look at this: In The Games Department
    Pokémon Sun & Moon

    It has been confirmed that Shigeki Morimoto is going to show some live Pokémon Sun & Moon gameplay footage at Gamescom in Cologne. This footage will be streamed through Nintendo Germany’s Twitch channel from 17:00 CEST, which is 16:00 BST, 11:00 EDT and 08:00 PDT. It’s not currently known what will be shown in this but we’ll report on any new information as it comes.

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      • It would make my life a whole lot less stressful
        No more Mega Char Y insta Solarbeams
        No more bulky as shit untouchable Mega Venusaur (Poison monos will finally be cake again)
        No more Mega Medicham and Mega Loppuny (which are basically the same thing)
        No more Mega Manetric trying to weasel out with HP Ice
        No more Mega Latios and Latias they were annoying before they’re infinitely worse now
        No more No Mega Sableye hiding behind a wall (but that did stop prankster but now they’re venerable to Toxic again)
        No more Mega Diancie and its same move carbon copy set
        No more Mega Blaziken speed boosting
        No more Kamakazi Mega Glalies Refigerated Explosions
        No more effing Mega Gardevoir spamming Hyper Voice
        No more more a Mega Alakazam or Gengar outspeeding everything and it’s op special
        No more Speed Boost Protect Mega Sharpedo bullying everything
        No more
        And lastly no more stupidly bulky Mega Slowbro spamming slack off iron defense calm mind

        Please please don’t let them come back

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  21. Soooooo I’m finally back home after a 4 week vacation; 1 week in Spain and 3 weeks in South Africa. I had an amazing journey and I’ve seen more than I could’ve imagined. The trip to South Africa was really exhausting though, because of the long days and the many amazing activities I have done. However, I’m glad I’m home again to join you guys in all of the discussions again and stay tuned for the very last Gym Leader Showdown next week 🙂

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  22. What do you guys think of these Megas for SuMo?

    Mega Bellossom – Grass
    Mega Venomoth – Bug/Psychic
    Mega Lapras – Water/Ice
    Mega Lilligant – Grass/Fairy
    Mega Rapidash – Fire/Flying
    Mega Lumineon – Water/Poison
    Mega Weezing – Poison/Fire
    Mega Pelipper – Water/Flying
    Mega Volcarona – Bug/Fire
    Primal Ho-Oh – Fire/Flying
    Mega Gothitelle – Psychic/Dark
    Mega Musharna – Psychic/Fairy
    Mega Delcatty – Normal/Fairy
    Mega Mightyena Dark/Fire
    Mega Jynx – Ice/Psychic
    Mega Noctowl – Psychic/Flying
    Mega Chandelure – Ghost/Fire
    Mega Clefable – Fairy – ability – Lunar Terrain: boosts the power of Psychic, Fairy and Dark moves for the next 5 turns.
    Mega Mismagius – Ghost
    Primal Lugia – Psychic/Flying

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  23. Off aquasynchronization’s Mega’s here’s a list I would like to see

    Mega Raticate- Normal/Dark
    Mega Flygon- Ground/Dragon
    Mega Staraptor- Fighting/Flying
    Mega Tauros- Normal/Ground
    Mega Politoed- Water
    Mega Lanturn- Water/Electric
    Mega Sunflora- Grass/Fairy
    Mega Octillery- Water/Poison
    Mega Togekiss- Fairy/Flying
    Mega Celebi- Grass/Fairy

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  24. Mega Rhyperior
    Ground/Rock
    Solid Rock
    HP: 115
    Attack: 170 (+30)
    Defense: 150 (+20)
    Sp Atk: 30 (-25)
    Sp Def: 130 (+75)
    Speed: 40

    Mega Evolution has supercharged its defensive capabilities so much that not even a speeding train wouldn’t phase it, running on all fours it can demolish anything in its path

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  25. So I wonder what part of the game Morimoto will show off on Thursday. I can’t imagine them not showing a new Pokemon. I just wonder what island the demo will be on. I don’t think they’d just show the demo from E3.

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  26. My vote has to go to Clemont only because of his anime counterpart who I relate with on so many levels; especially the unathletic part.

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  27. Guys I’m bored as fuck and want to play video games. I’m wondering if I should restart either Y or AS (I’ve done it lots of times though) or maybe buy one on the nintendo store (if it’s not expensive, or else I’m gonna be broke). What do you think?

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  28. The Mega Fairies have come to invade

    Mega Florges – Fairy – Triage
    Mega Vileplume – Fairy/Poison – Levitate
    Mega Granbull – Fairy/Dragon – Defiant
    Mega Aromatisse – Fairy – Dazzling
    Mega Carbink – Fairy/Rock – Solid Rock
    Mega Wigglytuff – Normal/Fairy – Fluffy

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  29. One Pokémon I would LOVE to see get an Alolan Form is Farfetch’d.

    It is such an adorable Pokémon, and has been vastly underrated and forgotten. I even personally know quite a few people who completely forgot that it was from the First Gen.

    Multiple Pokédex entries describe the stalk of cane it carries as a weapon/sword, and how it will fight for territory, or to defend it’s nest. Because of that, I could see it becoming a Flying/Fighting type, especially if it was brought to the Alola Region, and had to learn to fight off enemies for nesting space even more often than its home region.

    I think this would make it an awesome physical sweeper, and if it’s physical attack in speed were greatly increased, I think it would do really well in competitive, and, depending on the move pool it would gain, maybe could be on par with Hawlucha.
    It would also gain that much needed help against Ice and Rock, which maybe could be its natural foes in Alola fighting with it for territory.

    Any thoughts? ?❤️

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    • That’s nice, although I don’t think an Alolan form would help Farfetch’d at all. Its BST is only 352 and none of them are higher than 65. That’s just abysmal. It needs a real evo, with perhaps what you are envisioning as its alolan form.

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      • Good point!
        I was very bummed when it and Dunsparce didn’t receive Megas, but here’s to hoping it still gets some love this time around.
        I mean, THIS SCREAMS FIGHTING TYPE! ?

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          • That’s definitely something I would be down for. ❤️
            We haven’t had good, actual evolutions for older Pokémon for 10 years. >.<

          • slyveon is the only one we had after gen 4 but i refuse to count eevee as a cross-gen evolution since thats the point of it

          • Yeah Sylveon is hardly a cross gen evo since it was just added as a fairy type gimmick. They should’ve just added evos instead of alolan forms. I don’t think anyone sensible would’ve been mad.

          • Alolan forms are cool dont get me wrong! Maybe a alolan dunspace can evolve into drampa lol that be pretty cool if a Alolan form has a completely new evolution

          • True.
            Although, being very technical, it is the first and only Pokémon since DPPt to be an evolution of an older Mon. >.<

            I still LOVE Sylveon, though. ❤️

          • Yea but Eevee you expect that, you know more are coming, cross-gen was nice since YOU NEVER KNOW WHO WAS GETTING ONE

        • I’m not even sure Megas would be the best way to help them since it only gives them +100 to the BST. We need another Gen 4 where they add amazing and beautiful new evos Dx

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  30. Ugh Final Fantasy XV looks so freakin gorgeous. I really want it, but release date is 29/11/2016? Roughly 10 days after SuMo release. Really not healthy for the wallet.

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  31. I’m actually really, really glad that Sun and Moon are seemingly getting rid of the E4 and Champion, along with presumably Victory Road. Black and White is the only pokemon title to really care the story all the way through till the end, but all of the other ones seriously drop off once you beat the villain team. It makes the game less interesting if all you’re doing is beating a bunch of trainers with no plot to carry the game forward. It’s a good thing, in my opinion, that they’re revamping the structure of the game, I just hope the Trial Captains and Kahunas are worthy successors of the Gym Leaders.

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    • I think these new games will be a breath of fresh air. Fro the first time I won’t know basically exactly how the game goes. It’ll be more surprising and that to me i s a good thing. Ultimately I think it’ll still be a rather safe game. GF isn’t exactly known to be crazy outgoing after all lol Either way it’ll definitely be super fun I think. Also I don’t think it’s been said in a while, but I remember people a couple of months ago saying that without a typical league the game would be shorter. I think that idea is silly. The idea of the games being shorter without a league only make sense if GF don’t put in something to replace it. Which they clearly have lol Anyway I can’t wait for November!!!

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      • I know, I’m really excited! I think the Trial Captains could all turn out to be nice characters. I’m most excited for the Water (?) girl. But I don’t think the game will be shorter without a league. The islands are still pretty large and we’ll get to explore it all!

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      • On thing from the guy who faked stuff for leak a while back was right with one thing this will be a longer more fun game!

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    • I’m just glad we’re getting something different. Yes the Gym Leader & E4 is a tried and tested method, and it works to some extent, but sometimes you gotta put yourself out there, take chances.

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  32. I want actual favorites. This isn’t a freakin’ ‘Who would you want to [( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)] the most contest’… geez

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      • This is obviously based on “Oooh, she’s a guuuurrlll, she haaawwwt… she my favorite” I want people to actually look into the gym leaders, look at their beliefs, dreams, how much you relate to them, not just because they have da booty

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        • I noticed that from the Gen 1 poll where everyone was ogling over Sabrina, and it was pretty apparent in the Gen 5 one with Elesa and Skyla.

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        • How exactly?
          There have been people in the comment advocating Wulfric for Pete’s sake.
          Aside from which there’s a 50/50 chance of someone picking a female because 4 of the 8 leaders are female.
          And
          frankly nobody’s going to pick the old man, and the rock climber has
          probably been forgotten, meaning Wolfric and Clemont are the only real
          male contenders.
          If you looked you’d see there have been a lot of people advocating Wolfric.

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          • Yea, I support Wulfric. But when you see the shallow, skin-deep females win by a landslide, yeah, it gets old

          • So basically this is because people aren’t voting what you want them to vote for?

            I voted Valerie because her gym is a cool tree/mansion combo and her underlings are snappy dressers.

            I didn’t vote Wulfric because his team contains an Avalugg and he doesn’t have much going for him beyond a cool beard.

            As for Clemont, his robo arm contraption is just plain weird.

            Korrina was meh, but gets voted for a lot because she’s the only one with a major role outside her gym.

            Olympia had a neat cape and purple hair.

            Viola was also pretty forgettable.

          • Elesa provides some solid advice within the context of the game. She may be a model, but I think she’s a solid gym leader. Sabrina has almost nothing going for her within the games on the other hand.

          • Lol yeah she did. She helped stop her dad from dragging her back home. Now that I think about it, Sabrina was lame in the show too. In the manga she was evil. -cough- Misty was cheated -cough-

          • It’s not so much about the votes themselves. It’s the comments that people leave to justify their choice.

            Comments like ‘Sabrina, she’s hot’ e.t.c. Fair enough if that’s how you choose your favourites, I can’t really say much.

          • I can’t even find comments about the votes anymore, people went overboard discussing mega evolutions. I found one comment about clemont, but other than that it’s all too deep.

            I haven’t looked at the other threads, I’m basing my assumptions on what I saw here earlier in the day.

          • I was lucky enough to get on the Gen 1 and the Gen 5 thread early and saw a lot of comments like that on those…not gonna scroll through all of them to prove a point though :p. It’s just what I noticed.

            Personally, I usually leave a few lines, to a paragraph just giving a quick explanation for my choice.

          • Only one or two.
            The same ones who semi regularly post Yaoi and discuss Guzma’s theoretical illicit relationship with Kukui.

          • I saw a couple more than 2, and I imagine there are also some other people who don’t comment here that voted because of that. There’s really no other way Wulfric would be so high.

          • Personally Wulfric was my favourite of the males and if Valerie hadn’t had such a cool gym it would have been between Wulfric and Olympia (Beard vs Cape).

          • Eh, I found him to be really forgetttable. His gym was like a one stop shop – go in, come out 5-10 minutes later with a new badge.
            I can’t even remember any of his pokemon.

          • Yeah I voted Blaine, Pryce, Wattson, Crasher Wake, Drayden and Wulfric. There’s no correlation there…

    • I don’t see how that has anything to do with this poll, I don’t think people are voting Valerie to the top for that reason, but because she is their favourite and my favourite, she’s also gorgeous and deserves to win for many reason 😛

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        • oh, tbh I didn’t vote for her, but after I voted regretted it because she was the most elegant and beautiful, I hope people don’t feel that way about cartoon characters tbh 😛 thats a little strange

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          • Yea, I can’t even search up any female trainer from Pokemon on Google images without… um… that stuff

          • The equivalent for men is there too, you just haven’t noticed it much.

            Seriously, yaoi fans are at least as obsessive, if not more so.

          • they get into less weird things though, like idk why I see so many like 1000 pound about to explode female cartoon characters when I’m just casually scrolling deviantart

          • Deviantart has masssive fetish communities. No pun intended.

            Besides, yaoi fans are into washboard abs muscle stuff and skinny dudes, which most people don’t consider weird despite still being a fetish purely because society tells us muscular bodies are something to strive for so it mostly passes as normal, even in the few cases where it’s steroids level exaggerated.

          • I looked up Brendan, nothing extremely weird til really down. Then May, first line has her posing in a bikini, then farther down with boobs the size of freakin Jupiter, really

          • I don’t even really sexualize real people, but I mean like they are cute, so like, somewhere in between I guess?

          • Exactly, my point is that you’re not exactly the type to be drawing the men with shirts off rubbing each other, but many are and they are out there 😛
            And they probably don’t like Brendan as much XD

          • But Brendan and May are both the protagonists of ORAS/RSE. So if I do Wulfric, I have to do Korrina or Valerie to compare, and If I do Kukui I have to do Juniper. I’m doing fair examples here.

          • That’s not how it works.
            People’s sexual fantasies are not limited to the character’s roles within the game.

          • Brendan and Lucas I actually though were adorable as a kid tbh, I wanted them to have their own anime series and I think I actually wrote a story once that shipped Lucas x Barry and had them become members of team rocket… I was a weird kid

          • The ones that aren’t sexualising the female characters at least.
            Except maybe the transexuals, they can generally go either way.

          • you should really stop using an offensive term :/

            I don’t mean to be that guy, but if you mean transgender then I would switch it to that

          • hey I don’t make the rules, and “ugh you’re one of those not going to respect anyone type of people”

            tbh transexual has been offensive since like the 80’s, any term that was used to put an entire group of people down and belittle them and bully them usually turns out that way…

          • I don’t respect people naturally, but not out or spite or racism
            Only a select few are in my good graces

          • How the hell is that considered offensive? It means ‘people that either have changed or are in the process of changing their physical sex’.
            I admit I missed out transgenders and went straight to the far end of the spectrum, but still.

            Besides, it’s not like we got taught any of this in school, you’ve got to be accepting of people slipping up/making mistakes when most of the population know next to nothing about all the intricate terminology involved. Expecting people to know all about the complexities of transgers is like me expecting everyone to know binary or who Larry Wall and Bjarne Stroustrup are.

          • I wasn’t getting mad at you simply stating it not really an ok word, and never really has been, a small group tried to reclaim it back in the day but its pretty much always been offensive, and not a term used by anyone in a good way, same with “tranny” I accept that not everyone is aware of that, I’m just trying to let you know, we never know who comes on here and Id like for everyone to feel safe and welcome, I’m not blaming you or trying to start a fight, just letting you know

          • Well, I’ve never met anyone who had an issue with it before, and yes I do actually know a transgender/transexual (I’m not sure how far he went since the majority of his changes were after I left his life), they never indicated any issue with it.

            One of the main reasons it’s so prominent is because of Frank N Furter from the Rocky Horror Show. Specifically the line “transexual transylvania” from one of the songs. (I don’t know which, I’ve never watched it, I just know the plot and a reasonable amount about the cultural impact. It was written by the guy who used to present the crysal maze).

            You will always get some people who are ok with things and some who aren’t. For example, in college there was a black guy in our class who not only had no issue with the N word, he practically encouraged us to use it and said “It’s only offensive if people intend it to be. If it’s just used casually it’s fine.”

            Personally I think the less people take offense at words, the harder it becomes to be offensive and the easier it becomes to be neutral or beneficial.

          • my 2 cents are that some people are always gonna be offended by things, and its good to try and minimize the potentially offensive thngs you say

          • But that means never ever swearing or using insults in case people take offence.

            To be honest the best solution is to just be grown up about the matter and if someone says something that someone actually takes to be offensive (not ‘might be’ offensive) then merely tell the person that was taken as offensive to give said person a chance to apologise and inquire as to why it was taken offensively.

            For example if someone makes a joke that was taken to be disrespectful it and they are given a chance to speak rather than just being branded as hateful, often it turns out to just be a misjudgement of the situation and the level of informality rather than intentional disrespect.

            Frankly if something is taken as offensive when it wasn’t intended to be there’s usually a miscommunication at the bottom of it. If something is intended to be offensive, it’s usually quite obvious and much rarer.

          • that would wrk, but in this internet culture the second anyone says they’re offended by something, everyone goes “lmao look at this offended sjw #triggered” because of some extremistd who are offended by evrything. theres a lack of sensibility on both sides of the issue

          • honestly this is so true, there are a lot of people out there (that frankly I feel just want attention) that cry wolf over the smallest things and go nuts over things, and its created an environment that is ruined for people who have a legitimate claim.

            There are problems on both sides, but we can strive to become better I think, its not impossible.

          • Hence I usually stay out of it.

            I think next time I won’t even bother mentioning transgender/transexuals/whatever, I’ll just pretend they don’t exist.

            Frankly I think trying to say the right thing and getting it wrong is better than not caring at all, but I dunno. I give up, I’m going to just ignore the whole issue from now on, the discussions never end well.

          • Frankly though, everything on the internet should be taken with a pinch of salt.
            If people are actively insulting you, the adult thing to do is to simply block them.

          • well yes for different people, things are different but just because of that one black friend, you wouldn’t go up to another one of your black friends and do the same thing. I have been working with both LGBT youth and adults for a long time, while leading the GSA at both my high school, university and other groups. Several of my friends are trans, none of them are or would be ok with being referred to as transexual, as it was used to define a mental disorder that could be cured at one point back in the day, and the whole route of the word is entirely wrong for what it is supposed to describe because it has nothing to do with their sexuality, and the rocky horror picture show is and old film and hardly something I would look to for insight on the matter. Yes there are a lot of words out there that are offensive, some in varying degrees, but you should never use them if you know that you’re going to hurt someone around you or make them feel unwelcome, especially if they are youth because you never know what that person is going through, your use of a term that makes them feel alienated could be the breaking point that sends them to suicide. We should as people always strive to do our best to be kind to one another despite our differences, and avoid derogatory terms, just because you may not see the harm in it, it can still do more damage to someone then you may ever know. You cant tell people to take less offense to something because it really doesn’t work like that, for every 1 person that is easily offended by such things, there are 4 people who stay quiet and get hurt by it.

          • I started writing a response, but soon realised whatever I say won’t change anything and this argument would spiral out of control, so instead of a direct response, I’m going to attempt to end this in a mutually acceptable way.

            My world view is different from yours, neither of us are going to change our views.

            I’m sorry to say I have a very dismal view of the world and I’m quite apathetic. I wasn’t always that way, but life experiences have made me that way.

            I have nothing against transgender people, but I prefer to stay out of these matters because the waters are so muddy and it gets complicated fast, and always ends in arguments, never mutual compromise.

            Frankly you will probably never get me to understand why people take offence at certain words because most words considered typically offensive do not offend me as a result of my teenage years.

            Back in the playground I grew up in, if people got upset at being insulted with swear words they wouldn’t last long. Eventually pretty much everyone learned to disregard all the stereotypically most offensive insults. Ultimately insults are just insults, they can’t bring you physical pain.

            Lastly, there’s no need to tell me about suicide or depression. It’s the biggest killer of young males, more than diseases, more than murder, more than accidents. I’m quite familiar with them.

            As for striving to do one’s best to be kind, that’s nice in theory, but the reality is that it only works if everyone takes the same stance. There are a great many people out there who very much intend to cause harm. Letting their insults have meaning only makes them stronger. Ignore the offense and eventually they give up because what they’re saying doesn’t offend.

            Much like how using swears only have a shock factor because they’re considered things you’re not supposed to say. If you’re with a group that use them regularly, they’re no longer shocking, they’re just minor adjectives used for emphasis.

            I’m sorry if any of that seems cold or harsh, but I’d rather be honest. Ultimately this wouldn’t go anywhere and frankly I think this is a lot of fuss over what is just a word. As I said to kirakinn, next time I simply won’t include them at all, it’s easier than having to deal with all this guff for using the wrong word.

          • I liked Cilan though, he was adorable (in a non-sexual way thank you very much! lol) he had a really nice personality in the anime, but I wouldn’t pick him because the other two were horrible designed imo (awful hair)

          • Still, it’s a bit in the past, we’ve moved on to gen 6 😛

            Let me get this straight, Marlon came second and the vote was still rigged by people voting for the sexiest female characters? If that’s the case, why is Marlon second and not Skyla or Roxie?

            (To be honest, Elesa would have been my second choice, she had an entire theme park to herself)

  33. So I wonder who’ll join that Knucklehead Ash in Alola
    Obviously Mallow is semi-confirmed but what of another? I don’t know if they’ll break up the demographic by also putting in the Sun and Moon Female Protagonist but who knows at this point, I would also say Hau but I don’t know he seems too much like Ash to begin with but who knows maybe they’ll invent a traveling partner for the group

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  34. Pokemon Go players after they get Sun and Moon:
    Hey! Where is the gyms!?
    Oh, I EV train all the time, just look at my Vaporeon (It’s like the best Eeveelution)
    Wow! 4 moves!? And I can spam Hydro Pump instead of Water Gun on Vaporeon!
    IV breeding? Wow, I didn’t know there was another type of Eevee.
    Where is Team Mystic? Man, I wish those were in here!
    LOL TAPU KOKO IS TEAM INSTINCT N00B!
    This is boring

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    • I never understood the whole “my team is better than your team thing” like, what criteria do they have to base any of that one other than the colour and legendary? (yellow is my fav colour but I’m not gunna be omg the people with a different colour preference than me are inferior) maybe I’m missing a key point here 😛

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  35. Mega Girafarig
    Normal/Dark
    Ability – Savage: Doubles Girafarig’s power when the opponent has less than 50% HP remaining.

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  36. Mega Earthen
    Ground/Anti-fairy

    Ability -NEWS: Tells the oposing Pokemon that it’s gonna be a long week without news. (Lowers all Opposing Pokemons’ stats by 12 stages and OHKO’s fairies on switch-in)

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  37. The only reason I remember their names is because the anime Gave most of them a personality. In game they’re all shit.
    Since this is games, not anime. I’ll vote for korrina since she’s the least terrible

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  38. I don’t know if everyone has heard about this, but the writers of Guardians of the Galaxy (Nicole Perlman) and Gravity Falls (Alex Hirsch) negotiated to write the plot of the Detective Pikachu Movie. Also, I’m looking forward to the gameplay tomorrow at 11:00AM EST. It’s going to be on Nintendo of Germany’s Twitch, be sure to tune in!

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  39. Finally doing a Nuzlocke after months of saying I wanted to do one. Doing Leaf Green on an emulator (as I don’t like nicknaming my Pokemon in physical copies

    Currently at Misty’s with Smaug (Charmeleon), Boudica (Nidorina), Rainbow (Butterfree), Bella (Bellsprout) and Mystica (Kadabra)
    In the graveyard are Jerry (Rattata), Cpt Jack (Spearow) & Harambe (Mankey)

    I’m finding this actually pretty fun!

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