RUMOR: Chinese Rumors & Google Takedown of Final Starter Evolutions?

imageA Chinese rumor about Pokémon Sun & Moon has seemingly gained credibility after predicting a Poison/Fire-type Pokémon which was fulfilled with the reveal of Salandit. You can read it below, translated by Cresselia~~ of Smogon Forums.

  • There will be no traditional Gyms and no Pokémon League in Alola. Your goal is to actually create one. After you do, an Elite 4 will appear which are the leaders of each island
  • The final starter evolutions will be an Archer, a Wrestler and a Siren
  • The diamond stones will be collectible throughout the region and act similarly to Mega Stones but not exactly
  • New Pokémon based on a dolphin, sea cucumber, snowman, mushroom and a rugby monkey are there
  • Rockruff’s evolution is a Werewolf
  • Mashadow, another copyrighted Pokémon name, has a very unique type combo

In addition, it seems that the majority of the images of the “leaked” starters (seen above) have mysteriously disappeared from Google image search. There is no way of knowing but it is possible official takedown notices have been sent to have them removed from search results. This is a warning: I may soon remove the images myself.

<3 PJ

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2,275 thoughts on “RUMOR: Chinese Rumors & Google Takedown of Final Starter Evolutions?”

  1. “There will be no traditional Gyms and no Pokémon League in Alola. Your goal is to actually create one. After you do, an Elite 4 will appear which are the leaders of each island”

    Weren’t Gyms confirmed already, like in a Treehouse stream or a press release? They definitely have said you have to journey the region to become the Champion

    I also thought the Russian leaker (Bruxish and them) said these were fake? But then again it was just people on /vp/ relaying info after it happened, which spread the leak

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  2. Oh snap you actually made an article!!! hahaha I find it quite interesting that Google removed the images of the starer evolutions. this whole thing has me kind of hyped! It’s such a different kind of game and I think that’s what Pokemon needs right now. I guess only time will tell if these are real. I imagine the Pokemon they describe will be shown off sooner rather than later if real as they don’t sound like Pokemon they’d keep hidden until the games release.

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  3. Your goal is to create the league…? This makes even less sense. And there being multiple crystals is also silly as I said. And seriously? If these starters are actually real I am not gonna be happy. :/ And really no reason to take them down either people have seen them already. The damage is done.

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  4. So this chinese rumor gained credibility by just the reveal of one pokemon that they predicted the type combination for? Tons of other people have predicted similar type combinations, and even people here on Pokejungle have predicted Salandit’s ability. The three final starter evolutions were out since quite a while, and this site could have just easily seen those and could have written them up. Since Rockruff’s reveal was quite recent, the news that it’s evolution would be a werewolf would be quite recent as well. And besides, most people already knows that Rockruff would be getting an evolution – especially with the “moon” thing written on its description on the Sun & Moon Website. I’m not saying this leak isn’t reliable, I’m just saying the way in which it gained credibility as well as the information it has been giving us could be thought up by anyone.

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    • It’s technically not a leak cause I don’ believe most of it but the Popplio is starting to grow me not much though I hope it’s not fairy more Water/ Psychic
      Litten Fire/Dark
      Rowlet Grass/Flying

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      • It is definitely fairy if this rumour is real (and also if this rumour is fake, just saying disarming voice man). Just like Litten is fighting. 🙁

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      • I think the only way we could “demolish” the potential final evolutions of these starters would be if the second stage evos were revealed.

        I only really like Rowlets final evo from the potential finals tbh though.

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  5. Huh, the only thing that sounds really improbable is the creation of a Pokemon league, although guess it is hardly refuted by anything we’ve seen so far, I hope we will se something soon (perhaps in corocoro) that can confirm or deny this. Poison/Fire has always been a type combo that I’ve wanted to see, so it’s not that unlikely that this person could of come up with it on their own.

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  6. I know they said that these games are going to be different but this could be fake or real we have to remember is a rumor (about the chinese guy thing).What I thought could happen is you know in the anime when Ash enters the Pokemon League is not like in the game you go directly to challenge the elite 4 and the champion, Ash battles other trainers and then he can challenge the elite four and the Champion well what if this game the Pokemon League is like in the anime.

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      • I have to agree with you there. I can sorta stand Litten being that way (after all my hopes and dreams die and I cry on the inside)
        but the no gyms thing just feels off to me. Maybe it’s cause I’m used to the Gym format and having it gone just feels so different.
        I’ll get used to it, sure, but I’d definitely be weirded out during my first playthrough.
        Plus I play the two games at the same time for the first playthroughs, and use Gyms as checkpoints for switching, so I dunno what I’ll do if this turns out to be true.

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          • Ehhh not necessarily. You can still do gyms and be nonlinear (heck the original games do that, albeit not too good since they barely gave you hints/directions)
            Don’t get me wrong, it would be interesting, but at first it’ll be very weird to play through the game without Gyms since I’m so used to them. It doesn’t mean I’ll think it is a bad game.

          • I guess so. They could do what they do in Origins and change team based on your badges. Still, I think the series can only grow from this. Honestly though it’s how it’s implemented that determines if it’s a good idea

      • It says not in the traditional sense, so competitions?

        If there is no Dark type gym again, welp that’s the gym I’m making lol.

        Maybe We register our gyms online and people can battle each others gyms. Omg that would be cool.

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  7. Yeah just because they said “poison/fire pokemon” doesn’t give any crediblitiy to these rumors imo. Poison/Fire has been a wanted type combo, so I’m not buying it. Now if they they said “poison/fire lizard pokemon with a new ablitiy that could poison poison and steel type pokemon” than that would be a different story.

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  8. Instead of having no gyms, I wish there WERE gyms, but we could have more freedom, so instead of challenging the gyms in order, we could travel the region going to the gyms in order of which we wanted. Of course the game would know the number of gyms you would have challenged, so the levels would go up. As some people might just choose not to go to gyms at all, and just travel the region instead, we could have certain areas of each island locked so that you would need to beat a gym to get in

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  9. What of when you make your gym, yiu can register it online and everyone can battle against eachother’s own gym.

    It says no gyms in the traditional sense, so perhaps depending on what gym type you settle for making it will affect what the other gyms types in the game will eventually settle as. And you can battle the established gyms after as well.

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  10. What does it mean when you see swirling grass in Pokemon GO? And I don’t know about “no gyms” seems a little, un-Pokemon. And I’d be okay with these starters but they seem so detailed and a lot meow intricate then their first forms.

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  11. I think it’d be really cool to go to a region that doesn’t have a preexisting league. It’d be interesting to see the region grow and change as the officials create the league and you could meet new people along the way that would eventually become gym leaders/E4. It makes it kind of exciting. I like the idea of going to a region that’s not already set up in the typical fashion we know of. I makes the world feel more unique rather than ever region magically having their own special league. the gym leaders and E4 have to have started from somewhere. Why not show us how it all gets started. Also it would provide us with a different kind of story to adventure through. Honestly the old formula is getting kind of boring and if this makes them have to make up a more creative story I think it could be a lot of fun!

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    • I really hope that this gives an excuse to develop Elite 4 members further than usual. That is my main issue with alot of them.

      (also if this is true then the guy with Tapu Koko is totally an E4 member)

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      • Right it would make them flesh out more characters than the typical bunch and that would make the world (Alola) feel more “lived in” than the rest of the regions do. also I think Hala would be more like one of the Island leaders the rumor leaks talk about. so he’d be more of a gym leader than a E4, but I suppose he could be an outlier then

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          • even if they don’t I’d imagine the Kahunas of all the islands would act in a similar fashion to the typical gym leaders. Hala being one of them lol

    • It would also give you more insight and interraction with the NPCs that will become gym leaders and maybe the Elite Four as well.

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  12. in my opinion it is no indicator to tell that there is a fire/poison pokemon .. it is just a good guess like if we can predict that there is a new turtle pokemon 😛

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  13. I LOVE those designs for Rowlet and Popplio’s evolutions. Litten’s looks cool enough but it looks to be ANOTHER FREAKING FIRE/FIGHTING TYPE. WHY.

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  14. Not gonna lie unless the Litten evolution is something other than Fire/Fighting I think I’d have to Go with my number 2 choice of Rowlet. Dat final evolution is boss lol

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    • I might have to change starters for one of my games to Popplio if that’s the case
      I feel so sad saying that tho, considering I really wanted to name Litten after my cat. *sigh* Oh well

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  15. Personally I don’t believe any leak that states there will be a dolphin Pokémon. It’s total fan service – everybody wants a dolphin. So many fakes jump right on this claim.

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  16. Are those types still on the site? With the starter typings? If so I think it leads more evidence to these being real. These got taken down but those haven’t

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    • Wasn’t there a fighting type after Popplio’s water type? I dunno about you, but Sirens don’t really scream fighting to me, considering that they lure people to their deaths, not necessarily using force/beating them.

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        • Still isn’t enough to warrant a Fighting type tho
          And not really, since their historical depiction only talks about leading sailors to their deaths by shipwrecks with the sharp rocks around them, really. Not so much doing the killing themselves.

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        • As much as it tears my stomach lining like churning razorblades dipped in acid, Mermaids are extremely known for being fairy like

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          • I’m still waiting for a truly pure evil Pokemon
            Not misunderstood or tortured
            Pure evil, an poke embodiment of disparity

            Insatyr
            Dark/Fairy
            The Sinister Pokemon
            This Pokemon hides in dense forests, it is drawn to negative emotions and draws power from other’s hostility and uses it to cause disharmony

      • Here’s what I’m thinking then (if the types are coming into play here)
        Fire/Ground
        Grass/Flying
        Water

        As much as I hate Fire/Ground, I cant really care about typing with that design

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  17. I have to say I really like the idea
    Heatigre
    Fire/Fighting
    The Contender Pkn
    Naturally hot blooded, Heatigre lives to fight stronger opponents, around its waist is a belt of flames that grow larger and hotter the more opponents it has bested
    Physically strong and Agile, with a somewhat high stamina, it’s blazing speed and great strength is the perfect lead

    And I called the Rowlet Bowinowl and Popplio’s Hayacanymph

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  18. My opinions on the potential new Pokemon
    Dolphin: I suppose fans want it and the concept is talked to death, hopefully it wouldn’t be too bland or Fakemon-ish
    Sea Cucumber: I think this would make a good Pokemon, I can see this happening
    Snowman: In Alola?! Maybe on top of that snowy mountain, but still, a snowman in a reagon based on Hawaii?! Whatever it could be a really cute ice/fairy or pure ice
    Mushroom- But we already have the part mushroom creepy parasect and the perfect Foongus, we don’t need another mushroom! Hopefully they try a new angle :/
    Rugby Monkey- this sounds horrible and bizarre. What does that even mean, Rugby Monkey?! I hope the ideas mesh and it ends up working out in execution like hawlucha

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  19. Every time i see an article or comment with those “concept arts” i die a little inside and also does my hope for sun and moon having good pokemon ?

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  20. I don’t mind this at all! The idea of creating a league sounds really cool and it switches up the formula! If this is true, I hope you can recruit gym leaders and battle them post game.

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    • I think the lack of preexisting structure is what makes me the most excited. It makes the world feel more fluid rather than you knowing that you have to go from point A to point B over and over and over again until you reach the end. lol

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    • I think it is weird like, what even motivates you to create a league? Why do you want to create a league? So many questions so little answers

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      • Because the region you came from had one and everyone liked it? I don’t know that is the best I could come up with.

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  21. The archer theme for Rowlet’s final evolution is very unique and pleasing along with the mermaid for Popplio. The Fire/Fighting wrestling cat for Litten… not so much, but if these rumors turn out to be true, it’ll probably grow on me! If Bruxish of all things can grow on me, a wrestling cat surely will also! 😀

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    • Have you heard my evidence for the Rowlet becoming an archer? There is actually a surprising amount of evidence backing it up.

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  22. When were the rumors posted? If this was posted during the last few days, I don’t think it has too much credibility.

    And did they predict Salandit specifically? Anyone can predict such and such type that hasn’t been made yet, but unless they predict the specific Pokemon, the confirmation doesn’t hold any water. Vague type predictions alone do not make for accurately gauging a rumor’s credibility.

    I’m gonna wait until one of the other Pokemon is revealed, then I’ll take these as being real.

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    • They were originally posted a month or so ago. Well before we had any of the new non starter/legends Pokemon. Thus why many people brushed off these evolutions as it seemed way too early to get leaks of such Pokemon.

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      • Okay, but again, I don’t see how a unique typing being revealed makes it credible. People can say that GameFreak will make a Pokemon with such and such type and be right most of the time because it is assumed that at least some Pokemon revealed will have never before seen typing combinations.

        Maybe that might make this leak true, but did this rumor list any other type combinations apart from Poison/Fire? I find it highly suspect that its credibility is based around one specific type combination but with no other ones being listed in the leak (One of the Pokemon is said to have a unique typing, but that particular rumor is based around its name, not its typing).

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  23. Alright I don’t know if anyone saw this but whatever here it is again
    I’m still waiting for a truly pure evil mythical Pokemon
    Not misunderstood or tortured
    Pure evil, a pokemon embodiment of disparity and chaos

    Insatyr
    Dark/Fairy
    The Sinister Pokemon
    This Pokemon hides in dense forests, it is drawn to negative emotions and draws power from other’s hostility and uses it to cause disharmony

    This Pokemon is just pure evil, and it enjoys doing so

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  24. Everytime I try to create an account this appears, freezes the screen, and logs me out. Honestly, I’ve been trying for 2 days and no luck! Any tips or helpful advice, please! I’m desperate!

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    • Honestly, I don’t have the faintest clue. Maybe delete the app and redownload it? Turn your phone off then on?
      I suck at fixing things, especially computers and phones. D:
      Hopefully it’ll stop for you soon, either on its own or with someone’s help 🙂

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    • I feel like this game is going to be a mess for a month or two until they can handle the tremendous weight on servers. It logs me out every time and when I try to go back in, it only works every 10 times or so. I’d say to wait it out for now.

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  25. I’m in New York right now and have had trouble keeping up with these leaks everyone was talking about. Thanks PJ! But I believed these from the moment I saw them, and have no problems with them if they are real.

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    • You are one of the more accepting people I’ve seen on the subject lol They aren’t bad rumors at all I say so myself. I just hate when people deny things simply because they don’t like them. I guess we’ll find out sooner rather than later if they are real. At least I hope so lol

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      • I think there’s some of us who deny them based on other reasons that are plausible and not even because we don’t like them, but that’s how I see it. :3

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        • Heck, I don’t mind these things, in fact I’m crazy for two of the starter evos and the proposed Pokemon, I just see some faults within how its presented.

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  26. the no gym is throwing me off. How is that gonna work. Is that going to make the game even shorter? ugh

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    • It’s the gyms that take away from the games to be honest. They give GF a crutch to lean on and it makes their stories far more lazy. If there aren’t the traditional gyms it could mean that the story itself will be more fleshed out. No gyms doesn’t make the game shorter it just makes it more necessary for the actual story to be well written is all lol

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      • ^this, all of my yes

        tbh if anything I feel like not having gyms will make the games longer than usual, just because they will have to have story elements to set up why there are no gyms and why you have to randomly go fight some random person wherever you fight them

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        • I hope no more characters that only seem to Dwadle off and talk for 20 minutes cough* Tierno, Shauna, Rival* cough about stuff I couldn’t give to Hoothoot’s about

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        • True, but in my opinion the gyms are less important than a good story. Sure it’s been a part of the series for 20 years, but a slight change could be a good thing. If these are true then they are trying something different and that could be a good thing.

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          • They have shown they can do a story while keeping gyms though and all removing the gyms do is shorten the already short games even more.

          • True, but again what’s stopping them from creating a story that doesn’t entirely depend on the gyms? The Pokemon series is about traveling the world with your Pokemon. Not everyone’s journey’s are about going to gyms and doing the same thing over and over again. If they fill the gym gap with something worthwhile then the games can be just as fulfilling.

          • I wouldn’t mind one that didn’t focus on gyms so long as it was long and not short. But everything about SM is pointing towards something shorter and the lack of gyms wouldn’t be doing it any favors.

          • I’m just wondering something here
            So just because games are short, it automatically makes it bad?
            I mean, I haven’t played too many games in my life, but I’ve seen some ‘short’ games praised for what it does.
            Not trying to cause an attack, I’m just wondering your viewpoint on it is.

          • Actually yeah i wanna get my money’s worthwhile of gameplay so now i stand with that short will not be good haha

          • I can understand that :3
            I feel like a good game should matter, not the length of it, so I’ll consider it worth my money’s worth if it gets me a good experience, but I understand that it’s my own view on things, considering I am a very easy-to-please person in general. (So much so that, when I go to food places and get my order wrong, most of the time I just go along with it since I don’t like to cause trouble xD)

          • mmn… I can get that. And like if I pay 10-15 I am not expecting as much as something that costs 60. In Pokemon’s case it is 40. So I expect at least a bit of something.

          • Yes short games might be good but the thing is pokemon which ppl will go riot about it but i wouldnt mind it much aslong as it is nearly as good as BWs

          • I feel like having no gyms is more than a ‘slight change’ but I still wouldn’t mind it.
            But you can still do a good story and be nonlinear with gyms, there are examples in earlier games and people here have come up with good ideas incorporating gyms.
            But, to your credit and the original poster of the leaks, it would be interesting to see and some of the ideas you guys come up with would be super awesome to play.
            So, I’ll just stick to being neutral/not caring what happens to gyms.

      • imo, i enjoy the gyms. every time i beat one i have a sense that i getting closer the end. The last two gens gave us amazing gym leaders with the majority having a backstory (BW gym leaders were all stars) . I just love gym leaders so much and i will miss the battles and all the training and grinding you do for them:(

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          • Yeah! I had a guidebook that said that the best way was with an ice type and i was like “what ice types? There are no ice types before reaching elesa” hahaha

        • Don’t get me wrong I like the gyms too and I have no problem with keeping them in general. I just think the way the games use them as crutches is kind of boring. I want something in between them. I can’t tell you how many times we’ve gone form one gym town to the next with absolutely nothing story wise happening.

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          • I mean, not every place has to be conducive to the plot. We need some down moments too. Plus, it’s kind of unrealistic to expect things happening around every corner.

          • Fair enough, but I’d rather not take two steps out of one town and then end up in the next one almost immediately lol

          • Yeah, I hate short routes as well, but if the map of Alola is at least somewhat accurate, I don’t think there’s too many short routes in Alola :3

          • Oh god i dont even know how route 1 in kalos got the title of route like they shouldve just made it all vaniville or aquacord and named route 2 route 1

          • yeah, that was kind of terrible. I was like ‘….wat? there’s not even grass like boi quit playing’

  27. I hope CoroCoro leaks before the 11th/12th when I get home! I have fond memories of my trip to Europe (specifically England) and seeing Litleo and Flabebe for the first time. I wanted a true lion Pokemon so badly!

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  28. “There will be no traditional Gyms and no Pokémon League in Alola. Your goal is to actually create one. After you do, an Elite 4 will appear which are the leaders of each island.” My heart sank when I read that. If this is true, this will be my last.

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  29. Definitely calling bullshit on these…all of these rumors are things you could easily draw from things that have already been revealed.

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    • I’m more neutral, but I am leaning towards fake myself, but that’s cause I see the flaws that it presents, like you mention. Something about the whole thing is off, to me.

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      • I knew for sure once I read the Rockruff one. Literally everyone was guessing a werewolf or a wolf…Also, I highly highly doubt it’ll be a werewolf because that’s pretty much what Zoroark is, except as a fox.

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        • Plus, I tend to be wary of leaks that mention dolphin Pokemon, and they only thing they have that’s credible is guessing the typing, which is not something super credible. If they guessed Salandit as a whole, then it would be more credible.
          But I’m still open to the ideas they suggest.

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          • Yeah the dolphin was a red flag haha. I think it would maybe be cool to scout for gym leaders and customize the game a bit (post elite four perhaps) but I want a damn dark gym!

          • You’re not the only one 😀 It needs to happen honestly.
            Although, if they did mention the game having a dark Gym Leader, I’d be wary of that too, as that’s also a fan fav idea.
            Not saying both a dolphin Pokemon and dark gym can’t happen, but as leaks, it’s those ideas that make me question its authenticity

          • It’s ideas that I would love to see, but doubt it will ever happen because of the fan love around it.
            *sigh* I’ll still keep hoping.

      • Yeah i just cant see a main series game without gyms and a leagu, what would be the goal and motivation of the journey apart from catching pkmns?

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        • There’s no point in being a pokemon trainer if there are not gyms to challenge. Plus why are you even training pokemon and fighting trainers if you’re not looking to beat someone? That’s a core point of the pokemon games.

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  30. I was just thinking… if any game could work well with an open world I think Pokemon could. The only problem being balance. Pack it with cool quests, and exploration, a good story no real need for gyms necessarily since some people seem to like that. Super colorful and cartoon-y world. Big and well designed routes and towns that have Pokemon everywhere (icons rather than random encounters). Battles obviously still in but the gyms could be optional and tackled in any order. Your lead Pokemon perhaps even your whole team could follow you because we all want that.

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  31. If Pokemon doesn’t have Gyms anymore and is going to coordinate with this GO bullshit (which oh my god, in GO, there is no real Gyms and Masuda said he was thinking of ways to connect it to the main series back in September), I’m done with the series. I will cancel my pre-orders for Pokemon Sun and Moon.

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    • Honestly the whole gym thing in Pokemon Go is kinda lame to me. I don’t even want to join one in that game (which I also can’t even play.) Not a fan of their leveling and evolution methods either. That just doesn’t feel like pokemon….

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  32. Actually there is a way to make the no gym leaders thing work. If your goal is to create a league, you kind of need 8 trainers for leaders. So you go to multiple islands to scout out 8 powerful trainers, and in order to recruit them you have to battle them and if you win they’re now your gym leader. That you have your technical gym leader battle, and it keeps the game’s length.

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    • Game freak is not going to do away with a core part of the game that’s been there from the beginning. Rarely do they stray away from their repeatedly formula and when they do it’s usually to add something new not to take something so central away. Let’s get real people

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    • Repeat with me: “These are just crappy rumors, they are fake and i must not listen to them, it is just some troll, these are fake”

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      • I will try. But I’m extremely paranoid. If they predicted Salandit, then it must be right. Do we know if they posted this before or after the fact, these points seen above here? If after the fact, just a bunch of little shits trying to get attention. If before, I’m considering quiting the Pokemon series. Highly considering…

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    • y’all need to calm your selves, there is no use over reacting to a rumour…

      and even if these are true, we don’t have all the details yet, so they could do it in a way that you would never expect, I trust GF and Nintendo, so if this is what they are going to do, you can bet your ass its gunna be awesome

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      • Yeah, at the end of the day, from what I see of SM, it looks to be an awesome game, so I’m definitely not going to stop wanting to play them because of new ideas.
        Heck, at first, I denied the Fairy type and Megas, they happened, I hated them, then when I played XY, I ended up tolerating them, even loving Fairies 😀 (Although it helps that Gardevoir become one xD)

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        • This is a bigger change though. A new type was introduced before. But you’re right. At first, I hated Mega Evolutions then ended up loving them. But I just can’t see them removing Gyms and the Elite Four. I’m sorry. It’s been a staple. But maybe if there’s some kind of method to their madness, it can work. Thanks Percy, I guess I need to have an open mind.

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          • Believe me, I know I’m kind of weird with my thinking, but it’s cause of my experiences in life and my personality.
            It’s hard to keep an open mind, but it’s what I like to encourage. It’s why I love hearing different arguments and viewpoints and even ask why people think they way they think.
            It’s kind of not surprising I went with a Psychology major xD

          • I’m aiming to be a school psychologist with a therapy degree, so I’m glad I have some qualities to be that ^^

        • thank goodness for a little a little ray of positivity that is you in among all this negative energy 😛 lol, thank you for that ^_^

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          • Percy is our best friend in troubling times. She calmed me down. I guess if there’s a method to the madness, I might be able to manage. But I just can’t shake the feeling something is fishy with all of this. I really can’t. Something doesn’t feel right with this rumor…

          • Aww I try to be :3
            But no worries, something feels off about this to me anyway, but I still try like to hear/see what people feel/think about it, negative or positive and I always like to offer an argument for the other side as well.

          • Something really feels off about the rumor. I completely agree. It just seems like someone is making this up. I mean, they didn’t really say anything. Just slapped on things they made up and stuff we knew already as well as an ongoing confidental sheet of the Starters we can’t prove fake. Could be one of our own on here! *Looks around the room*

          • Awww, no problem, it’s just me. I guess because I know how it feels to be negative and have lived in it that I can be positive and stuff. Although it wasn’t the best time of my life, it did help me in some way.
            Thanks for the kind words 😀 <3

          • The only thing about pokemon that everyone has to like is Volcarona 🙂 Good thing everyone here does, right? RIGHT?! -eye twitches-

          • Again, you’re misinterpreting my statement. All I’m saying is if he feels so strongly negative about the GF development team, I challenge him to do something better himself. People are too entitled these days/.

          • Suggesting that GF is drunk and Masuda is on some dank ass weed and became retarded… that isn’t much of a respectable opinion to me. He’s entitled to his opinion, but if he feels so strongly negative about it to suggest this, just stop following Pokemon and move on.?

          • It’s not an attack, it’s a challenge. What’s wrong with that? If you think you can do better that the GF dev team, then prove it. I’d love to see it.

          • He did not simply say that, he was insinuating that the GF development team was intoxicated and Masuda is retarded and smoking dank weed. If you can’t do any better than what they’re doing, then don’t make such bold statements. Realize that the game isn’t tailor made for you, it’s made for millions of people. If you don’t like something, tough. Get over it and enjoy the positives of what you do like. And if you don’t want to do that, then save yourself some time and energy and don’t play the game. Problem solved.

          • ok, “trigger” jokes are not ok… do you realized the mental stress and hardships someone has to be put through for them to be “triggered” its not in the slightest bit funny

          • … no because those people are not actually triggered, just idiots… doesn’t mean they don’t still deserve respect if something bothers them, but its not something that should be thrown around so nonchalantly

          • Eh I suppose. And the ones that say they are triggered over basically nothing may just be trolling and disrespecting what the term originally meant.

          • Trigger jokes? The meme is the that shows a “liberal/equality woman” being “triggered” by nothing like a sign that says wage gap, its more of a critic about todays society being protesting about the slightests of things

          • I mean, a wage gap is something to protest about because its stupid and shouldn’t be that way… but that in no way will ever trigger someone

          • Exactly that is the point…btw the sign actually says sewage gap but she just sees the wage gap part idk, i get what you mean

          • well if you said it was bad in your opinion, then thats not subjective, and would have just been brushed off, but when someone says “so obviously bad” it implies that any other opinion is wrong so… thats why

          • Right. I shouldn’t have said that. But that doesn’t negate that Chico is attacking him simply because he doesn’t like these rumours.

          • i don’t know if its attacking per say, I think chico just wants people to have an open mind an understand that different people like different things about pokemon, and we cant expect to always get what we want out of it. maybe it wasn’t said in the best way, but still.

            I’m sure he didn’t mean to hurt any feelings if they were hurt, he’s a cool dude

            Why cant we all just get along :C lol

    • When are pokemon rumors ever right though? xD I remember HUGE “leaks” during B/W that were posted here but none of them ever turned out true.

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  33. If these starter evos are real, they will change all of the positives opinions I’ve had about these games so far. Additionally the rumored starter evolutions destroy everything likeable about litten, rowlett, and poplio in the first place

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    • starters make up a fraction of a game’s new pokemon count, and they are rarely the most popular pokemon in a generation. seriously, greninja was a rarity! people have been disappointed with starter evolutions since like gen 2, and most people when asked about their favourites pick non-starters

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        • that’s fair. my point is more that disliking a generation because of the starters would be odd, considering how they’re a small part of the full game and generally speaking are viewed pretty harshly compared to the rest

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  34. “In addition, it seems that the majority of the images of the “leaked” starters (seen above) have mysteriously disappeared from Google image search.”

    i’m confussed about this btw, if you reverse image search the pictures they all still come up, dating back to the beginning of june when they first leaked..?

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  35. So, I’ve decided, if this rumor is true, I won’t quit Pokemon. If Gyms and Leagues are removed and you have to create them, there’s gotta be a method to this madness that Mr. Masuda and his team are creating. But still, it’s really weird for the 20th Anniversary to remove such a long-time staple to the series if this is true.

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    • even if they do, I doubt that it will be that way from then on, probably a one time thing, special to alola, since they seem like a kinda of primitive/modern region, gyms will probs return

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    • If they cut gyms the story had better be fucking amazing. Like I would want to know what the point of even training at all would be.

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  36. Something really feels off about the rumor. I just get this vibe. It just seems like someone is making this up. I mean, they didn’t really say anything. Just slapped on things they made up and stuff we knew already as well as an ongoing confidental sheet of the Starters we can’t prove fake. Could be one of our own on here! *Looks around the room*

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  37. I just want corocoro or the official page to show a single gym leader just one would do as that would prove this whole thing fake(except for the sheets sadly)

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  38. The only thing I actually like about the rumor: The Dolphin and Snowman Pokemon.
    But I feel that was in another rumor. And so many people want a Dolphin Pokemon for Generation 7, it’s not even funny. It would fit Alola so well! And a Snowman Pokemon is something I’ve personally wanted for many years actually. Lol. There’s so many good Fakemon Snowman out there. xD

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  39. Lol No way to make people happy.
    “Please more Yearly releases”
    *later*
    “No more yearly releases!!!”
    *later*
    “Pokemon is just leaving us hanging I hate this they hate us!!”
    Now:
    “Please no more gyms they make all the games the same”
    *no gyms leaked*
    “This is an awful idea!!!”
    Before you want something think, would I complain about this later?

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  40. This place is hopping.
    I think that it would be cool if we could make our own gym, but I don’t like the idea of little to no gyms to start with. Perhaps a system of where you need to beat all the gym leaders on the island to become one on that island.

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  41. Anyway these leaks are iffy
    One side that I would like because its unique and you don’t even see 8 gyms on the map so it makes sense
    One side I disagree because how can you have access to elite 4 without badges? and So many people don’t pay attention to pokemon story as is and just go for gyms (Im one of those people)

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  42. Sadly, for the Starters, I think at this point, they’re real. No one can prove or disprove them fake and they appeared out of nowhere and it’s been a month. It would of been debunked by now but it hasn’t. When you look at the leaks and the designs, they’re based off of parts of Hawaiin culture. Rowlet’s final is based on an Archer and some kind of shape shifter being in Hawaiin legend that can take the form of an owl (I forgot the name but I remember it began with an O). Litten’s final evolution is based on fire dancers, which commonly appear in Hawaiin festivals. And Popplio’s final is a circus performer based off of a mermaid/dolphin (dolphins of which are in Hawaii). Someone would of had to do their homework and take a lot of time to make it, if it was fake and most leakers I see, it’s an obvious giveaway. Either a flaw can be pointed out or it can be found on Devianart.

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  43. I hope that this is not 100% true; I don’t want to be stuck with Tony the Tiger. Also, how is there no Gym Leaders or League when there are Gyms all over the map. That seriously confuses me, how woukd progress be made? At least we might get a Dolphin Pokemon…

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        • THat’s what I thought too, considering I see a little symbol on them.
          Of course, it could be something else and I could be seeing things, but considering I saw the same type of building in many places and that little symbol, it’s definitely a gym imo

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      • We have not really. We see two buildings that could be gyms, but even then it’s skeptical. I think they will go with chiefs or tribe leaders if there are no gyms.

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  44. There is some sense I suppose behind the concept of “Bond Abilities” from the fired European Employee Leak and that you fill up a meter to unleash a devastating attack. The Pokemon.com site said that you’ll “discover moves more powerful than any seen before”. And the European Employee Leak mentions a Gorilla Pokemon with a menacing look, which could be the Rugby Monkey in the Chinese Leaks…

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  45. I don’t trust it however those starter evos have grown on me. They just seem overly complicated, more so since GF has talked about straying from the recent complicated design path. We’ve. Also already had a wrestler so I don’t see why they’d use it twice. I’m fine with Rowlett and Popplio, but I just don’t like where Litten is going.

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  46. Is the fired European Employee Leak a definite fake or does it still have yet to be proven false? It seems pretty legit to me. And it mentions a Gorilla which could be that Rugby Monkey in the Chinese leaks… Maybe the Ground/Fighting type Gorilla plays football? LOL. There is a Football team in Hong Kong with a monkey as their mascot which could explain why the Chinese Leaker related it to that.

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  47. Sorry for so many comments but one last question
    What would your gym be?
    This is really hard question for an indecisive person like myself but I would choose Electric. I would be the 6 gym leader. My gym puzzle would have a be pitch black.The only light is lightening flowing around the whole gym and your goal is to move lightening rods to certain areas to generate enough electricity along the way to Light up the whole gym.
    The gym trainers pokemon will consist of charjabugs, Luxio, Pikachus and last one having galvantula.
    One you reach me I will have 4 pokemon and my team will consist of:
    Lanturn 33: Thunder Wave/Thunderbolt/Surf/ Ice Beam
    Rotom 33: Thunder Wave/Thunderbolt/Shadow Ball/ Confuse Ray
    Luxray 33: ThunderFang/ Ice Fang/ Crunch/ Fire Fang
    VikaVolt 35: ThunderBolt/ Bug Buzz/ energy Ball/ Thunder Wave
    If you beat me you achieve the Current Badge
    And I will give you tm for thunderbolt

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    • You could never comment too much!
      I’d have a Water-Type Gym; which would be the 8th Leader (fuck Marlon).
      Lv. 50: Starmie
      Lv. 52: Clawitzer
      Lv. 53: Walrein
      Lv. 52: Sharpedo
      Lv. 54: Vaporeon
      Lv. 56: Mega Gyarados

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    • Hm… That’s a good question haha. I’d have a grass gym! My gym puzzle would be a hedge maze.
      Team : Skiploom, Roselia and Leafeon
      And I would give the TM for Synthesis.

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    • Mine would be an old run down cathedral yet still beautiful and full of white marble on the inside with purple pools of liquid under the cracks in the floor that you would have to walk around to get to me and a bit of a haunting puzzle to it as things would randomly move as it seems on their own and occasionally block or open up a new path, and I would have:
      Slurpluff, Whimsicott, Aromatisse and Clefable as my pokemon, yet half the trainers in the gym would have ghost type (if you went the wrong path) and the others would have fairies (if you went the right path)

      And if there was a rematch I would have the same team plus M Altaria and a White Florges

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    • I’d like to be an 8th Dragon Gym Leader (I don’t care I want this).
      Drampa (NRM/DGN)
      Garchomp (DGN/GND)
      Hydreigon (DRK/DGN)
      Kingdra (WTR/DGN)
      Dragalge (PSN/DGN)
      Mega Haxorus (DGN/STL)

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    • Bug-Type Gym, which would be the 7th Gym in the region (Because surprise!)
      My team would consist of:
      Scizor
      Vikavolt
      Volcarona
      Armaldo
      Cutiefly’s evolution

      Anyone victorious would receive the Pest Badge and the TM for Bug Buzz

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    • I am a 5 gym Water Gym their would large pools of water and Fountains along the edges their would be Tentacool inspired Booey’s to make it a maze
      My team consist of:
      Seadra
      Tentacruel
      Popplio’s second evolution

      My rematch would have (if leaks are true)
      Omastar
      Tentacruel
      Bruxish
      Bibarel
      Kingdra
      Entermaid
      Mega Samurott

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  48. also when it comes to the final evo, i wont make a final opinion until i see their 3D model. The drawing make all of them look iffy and not that great imo.

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  49. This rumor is really spotty. If they just predicated a Fire/Poison Type; without naming the ability and species of animal; we’ve done it as well on the Jungle. Hell, someone predicated the Corrosion ability on this site. If that is the case, then I believe this is rumor to be 25% right.

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  50. Something just isn’t quite right about this leak still. Hopefully CoroCoro can clear it up and if they show a Gym Leader, it’ll disprove that and my paranoia and horrors can move on. This is honestly the scariest development/leak yet. As soon as I saw the first line “No traditional Gyms or League”, I swear I stopped pumping blood to my heart for a second. But if it is true, I’ll try to be open.

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      • How I see it
        Gyms We need them they are the center of the games we Don’t need an XY where people could care less about boring 5. Minute talks

        Starters Hmm they are growing on me but I would rather they not be real

        Mashadow a dinosaur as I heared no just no

        Let’s see a Dolphin would be nice and snowman but really a Freakin’ Rugby Monkey come on GF You are better than that
        And a sea cucumber why

        Mega Ideas I heard No mega Kalos starters no only the Butterfree sounded good

        Bondage okay that sounds interesting

        And Evil team leader is Ruch guy no it Haltman from Kirby reincarnated noooooo!

        So yeah hopefully fake

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  51. I remember tiger character from my childhood called Bolavan this guy is playing in the circus and he decide to run out and blue little mouse with bunny ears helped him to did that.
    unfortunately I can’t find out this on the internet.

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  52. I am okay with this except this No Gyms concept. What would be the long running goal, the story would really need some bigger twitches .

    Would be okay with the starter evos, not overly happy with Siren but we can’t fight the moonlight.

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  53. Anyone still up? I can’t go to sleep because of the horrors of these leaks. I just wish it was all a bad dream and not reality. I’m also afraid that if I do go to bed, we could get more bad news/developments. I feel like a Pokemon is using Torment on me.

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  54. can anyone translate what it says about 7/16 with all the new Pokemon on the main Japanese Pokemon page?

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    • That’s just where its wings are supposed to be, but they’re not in the pic to show what the back looks like. It’s a reference pic for artists.

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  55. As Long as Litten isn’t part fighting I’ll be happy. Also isn’t it odd that the leak doesn’t really mention the Special Moves?

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  56. Fire/Poison lizard: everyone can just blurt out typings and animals.
    No Gyms: of course there will be Gyms.
    Starter Evos: the leak was posted after the leaks.
    Stones: extremely vague.
    New Pokémon: random.
    Rockruff evo: look at the site, of course it will be a werewolf.
    Marshadow: again, everyone can blurt out something like that.

    Sounds fake to me.

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    • Wait but Salandit was already revealed and I wish those idiots who keep reavealing every thing would shut up let us master Patience and learn Gradually
      I still think they are fake

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  57. I personally dont see these being real but if by chance they were would pick rowlet or litten for sure. all we can is wait and see if coro coro reveals a gym leader or something soon.

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  58. This isn’t meant for pokejungle or other good sites cause I use this as away to talk about what I love which is Pokemon that being said: Damn with this gen it’s driving me crazy with ppl and their out of this world speculations I don’t mind ppl trying to predict off what the games are gonna hold but now all I hear is of what they want and it’s getting worst and worst Ive been playing since RB and started going on sites on gen 4 and it wasn’t as bad as it is now everybody just keeps repeating the same things for weeks on end wether its poketubers or articles and I’m starting to hate that someone comes out with some stupid “leaks” and everyone wants to believe them remember in xy when the list of Pokemon came out and everybody believe and of it was true

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    • These leaks aren’t posted here because we believe them, but they give us a lot of time to speculate and discuss with each other

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      • I understand that I’m not saying about us it was more of a rant towards others you know venting sorry I should of been more clear I know we do speculate even me but I’m one of those who doesn’t believe in leaks until they are proven real but lately I’ve just seen ppl right out tell me they’re real like that weird owl that leak on 2chan ppl even bet money saying it was real and to me I just thought it was crazy even the bet still going on cause we haven’t seen the second stages so that’s what we’re waiting on lol

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  59. Being as traditional Gyms are at the core of this series, I would personally hate to see them go. However, creating our own Gyms would be a fantastic idea, and could utilize a similar sharing system as Super Secret Bases from ORAS. As for the rest of the rumors… I personally don’t believe them, but the final evolutions for the starters would be fantastic if they are real.

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  60. God please no. I’d take anything just please, PLEASE give Popplio a different final evolution. This Gym thing seems unlikely and even if it’s true, making the trainers act as Gym Leaders would probably require you to beat them so it’s not that different. But I doubt it will happen. Making Rockruff into a werewolf seems pointless too when it could be a simple wolf. According to the official site it has only one evolution (well, from the wording of the text at least) and the base form doesn’t even look close to a werewolf. With a middle stage it would be possible but I don’t see it changing so drastically just like that. This thing about Marshadow might be true but then again, unique types aren’t that rare especially in this generation where we already got Cutiefly and Salandit. I just hope that these and the pic that Earthen posted a few minutes ago are fake…

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      • Greninja mega that’s the biggest bull crap of this whole falseness he has Ash Greninja stop Praising Pokemon Nintendo

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    • 3 reasons why this is all completely fake.

      1. Copybara having a “new ability” that copies the opponents ability? Literally just Trace, not a new ability.

      2. The starter final evo names are absolutely horendous.

      3. Magearna is a Mythical and will not have anything to do with the plot, like every Mythical before it.

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  61. Everyone is tweeting those final evolution leaks to Junichi Masuda. I want to see if he’ll respond and shut them down as fakes, or just ignore them

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  62. I love all the rumors except those damn final evos! From gen 1-4, they kept it simple with the finals. They just evolved into baddass animals. Gen 5 was the merge, where they were slightly becoming gimmicky, and gen 6 took the cake with going way too gimmicky with the themes. Gen 7 better not follow gen 6 with that shit!

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    • Completely agree. Every final evo since Gen 4 was literally just a bigger more intimidating version of the starters – nothing too complex. But gen 6 and gen 7 (the concept art) feel really unnatural, like they’re wearing clothes or something

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  63. Why does everyone hate the idea of creating a league so much? While I still want there to be some challenge, we need some kind of change to the formula of eventually it’ll get stale. Changing the formula up a bit is something I think we need, but maybe not in this way.

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  64. Wrestler Litten Reminds me of King from Tekken.

    Me Like, and he seems like a Heel wrestler, so I say he’s probably Fire Dark.

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    • Just transfer duplicates of your best to professor to get candy to make them stronger that’s the fastest way to evolution

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    • Yes and no. You can only have 250 Pokemon stored at a time. You can transfer duplicates in order to make room. However, for 200 Pokecoins, you can get +50 storage. This can be done by using real money to pay for them, or being part of a local gym and earning coins through defending.

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  65. I just feel like they put in a lot of work to make these starters truly appealing and I don’t think they would tarnish that by making their final evolutions so decisive

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  66. I want Georilla to be real but what if they turn out to be fake
    They dangle the thing I truly want and they just taunt me with it….

    It would be a massive hulking primate with a dusty yellow and brown coat, it would sporting a hulking upper body with tons of visual muscle mass with its knuckles holding itself up and its feet much smaller in comparison, it’s head would consist of a thick underbite with two fangs points upward, it would also have a thick hardened layer of skin in the shape of a rugby helmet and two glaring eyes

    Flying into rages, Georilla decks opponents into submission with forceful tackles, it pounds the ground beneath it to rile itself up

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  67. This leaks just keep getting worse and worse. So, supposedly there are claims the originator of the Chinese rumors have been sent takedown requests. God. This can’t be happening. This leak could be the end of Pokemon for me.

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    • on the plus side for you, if the new chinese leaks are real then that means there are still gyms eh 😉

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  68. I actually really like the Rowlet final evolution. Seems like a pretty cool concept.
    I would prefer Litten to say on all fours, but can stay as turning into a panther.
    I’m really curious as to how Popplio will actually end up. I’m okay with the “leaked evolution”, but not the biggest fan of it.

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  69. Mashadow has to be the 3rd legendary, unless my hunch turns out true and Zygarde is Alola’s 3rd legendary.

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  70. Well I guess we’ll probably know if these final evolutions are real or not once we see the middle stages in a month or two.

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  71. In Pokemon Go I just went out to catch Pokemon for the first time to hunt a Squirtle Down and I got it and a Zubat on the way two new for the price of one!!!

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  72. Well, I’m going to assume this all real at this point. No point being paranoid over it. Especially the fired European Employee Leak. Something just seems right about that one. Bond Abilities seem very legit as a concept and something Pokemon would do. While I’m not sure about the Chinese leak, it’s probably because it was translated from someone. Both have two common links: The Starter Finals and the Monkey. Though for the Chinese leak, they didn’t give the monkey a name at all. But that was how they did for Salandit too. And monkeys and gorillas are commonly confused or used interchangebly to describe primate like creatures. And I can see a Ground/Fighting type Gorilla holding a football as a concept.

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  73. In every generation everybody “predicts” all sorts of things, especially things that haven’t happened yet (like a poison/fire typing). That doesn’t mean it’s based on smt solid or official, people. Relax.

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  74. Soul bond? So bondage with our pokemon? S&M is perhaps not the best game to introduce a bondage feature if you get what I’m saying. -_- Honestly it just sounds like a stupid combo move feature this person lifted from other popular fighting games….I’m gonna have to go with fake.

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  75. The thing is: komodo dragons have really poisonous saliva, so a fire/poison type was bound to be one of those, instead of a monkey, rabbit or pig, for instance. No big deal, guys.

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    • I said that the day it came out
      Fat Komodo dragon with oozing back pores that secret mucus bubbles filled with flammable gasses
      It shakes off the ooze and coats the opponent then lets off a flame to ignite the gasses causing explosions

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  76. Pokemon Go still isn’t available in canada yet :C however people have found ways around that and still managed to find a way to download and play it…. now those people are being banned from the game completely. So like, I guess its gunna still be a waiting game T_T

    I’m also pretty sure its not out yet in the UK

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    • No. It’s kinda like Mega Evolution but kinda not, with a meter and when the meter is supposedly full, you get to unleash an “ultimate move”. You find the crystals for your bracelet around Alola supposedly. Pokemon.com says you’ll discover “moves more powerful than any seen before” to further back up these rumors from the fired European Employee.

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  77. Supposed names and typings of the remaining 3 island guardians:
    Tapu Hee, Water/Fairy and can create rain
    Tapu Lono Grass/Fairy and can create grassy terrain
    Tapu Lele Fairy/Flying and creates misty terrain

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      • Magearna is also not a Alola pokemon apparently, it was found by the main villain in another region and he/they will use it (probably the Soul Heart thing) to fuse the 4 island guardians together.

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    • thats the only thing I question about this whole leak, but only really a little, because their names all seem so generic but I suppose since Tapu means like holy or a sort of protector it makes sense

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      • It all depends on their designs really. Tapu Koko is basically a rooster. I dont know what those other names mean, but I’m assuming they will be based on basic animals if I’m going by Tapu Koko.

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        • Lono and Lele are the literal names of the god and goddess. While Koko is something that imitating the sound of chicken.

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    • Also, the leaker says Tapu Lono looks like the XY Strange Souvenir when it has it’s true face on to look like a mask like Tapu Koko. I would think it would be Fire/Fairy to be honest, because the Strange Souvenir kinda looks like a tiki to me, but that’s just my take on it. xD

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    • Ok, Lono is grass but why Lele is flying? Lele is the goddess of fire volcano and such things.

      And those names are a bit strange. Tapu Lono is just basically “Holy Lono” and it’s too literal as there is a god named Lono. Same with Lele. It’s like having a pokemon named “Holy Zeus”.

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  78. I’m reading something about a pseudo-legendary Dragon/Rock, but I cant figure out if its Mashadow (probably not judging by the name)

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  79. Lodeing (Electric/Steel)
    Kompile (Electric/Ground)
    754 Syruby – Fairy/Bug (Cutiefly evo maybe?)
    755 Canby – Fairy/Bug
    756 Maccut – Bug
    757 Moscarb – Bug/Dark
    758 Ashtiki – Grass/Fire
    759 Tikindlog Grass/Fire
    761 (760 isnt shown) Mirreon – Steel
    762 Veneon – Poison
    763 Khanby – Normal
    765 Mawly – Steel
    766 Mandibite – Steel/Dark
    805 Finka – Water (pseudo)
    806 Dorsel – Water/Psychic
    807 Dolphic – Water/Psychic
    808 Lylaunt – Water (pseudo)
    809 Lygoon – Water/Ghost
    810 Lyghoul – Water/Ghost

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  80. This can’t be happenning. Now, in my eyes, I think that we have official confirmation of the leaks from the fired European employee being 100% real! CoroCoro will likely show what he said. Though the Normal/Water Beaver is VERY suspicious considering that we already have one in Bibarel. The way he describes it is also very suspicious.

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  81. Evil team’s name is thought to be Team Hermes, who seek to use the legendaries for alchemic rituals to gain riches and power.

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          • Well that’s your opinion then. I mean they seem to know what they’ve been doing for 20 years now, and a lot of Pokemon in the past have got slack but there was hardly a boycott movement because of an ice cream Pokemon
            If there are 90 Pokemon like the rumour says, I’m sure that you’ll have plenty of Pokemon to choose from and there’ll be somin that you like. If not, don’t buy the game. Simple as. (Not being rude or offensive, but if one person doesnt buy their game, I don’t think it’s the end of the world for them)

          • Like I said, nothing you can do to change it unfortunately. Game’s pretty much made.
            Sometimes a change is good and you might find yourself enjoying it if they steer away from the normal journey of a Pokemon game

          • Are you not reading what I am saying? Sure if it is real that sucks but what the problem is is that we don’t know if it is real or not.

          • Dude, no offense but you’re a big ball of negativity. Whining about this and that doesn’t change a single thing. I don’t like this no league stuff either, but get over it. Game Freak doesn’t usually do shitty work and you’ll probably end up enjoying it anyway.

          • No I won’t end up enjoying it and my main problem is fucking Litten. Stupid bastards fucked it up horribly. But again that isn’t what I am trying to get across here. I want to have it either confirmed officially or denied officially.

          • I also get that. I simply hate Popplio’s rumoured final evo but what can we do? I think that we’ll most likely get the second form of the starters in late August or the beginning of September. After that we can pretty much tell if these leaks are real or fake. Also the league stuff seems unlikely and even if it’s real, I’m pretty sure that you’ll have to defeat certain trainers to make them act as Gym Leaders because why the heck would they obey a 10 year old kid?

          • Even if we get the second evos that doesn’t really do much to confirm anything. The only thing that confirms it is seeing the real final evos.

          • That’s not entirely true. If you look at the second forms you can pretty much tell where they’re heading. You have a point that they won’t confirm these fake but they might foreshadow something entirely different.

          • Second evos don’t mean anything. We have to wait until the games release because I don’t see them showing off the final evos until the games are basically out.

  82. I’m ready for some types other than fire types to get love. Charizard Y with Drought and Primal Groudon pretty much serviced fire and grass types…

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  83. frig! The other starters are growing on me, don’t get me wrong I still like popplio the most, but I don’t think the others are ugly anymore

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  84. Can someone explain PokeStops to me? I’ve passed by tons but I need this “PokeStop module” thingy. Do I have to buy those?

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    • Huh? All you should have to do is get in range of the stop, it should change from a cube to a medallion looking shape. You then click on it to zoom in, spin the medal of the picture, and get items. No module should be required; never even heard of it

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        • Ah, that’s probably it. Yeah, once you spin, you should get 3-5 items. However, there is a Lure Module you can buy, which is like an incense, but causes pokemon to go to your specific stop you’re at. It works for everyone nearby too

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  85. ok I’m gone, theres still a heck of a lot of negativity going around today, and I just aint about that life toodlez for now

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  86. Pokemon GO seems very interesting. I wjll get it in a month if it is still relevant. Also i hope these leaks are fake. And the starter final evos even though they seem to be very real.

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    • is fun tbh. right now everybody is playing it because when you hype a mobile game before release everyone jumps to the bandwagon. i have so many friends rn that never played pokemon that downloaded it. we will see if it actually manage to be a strong mobile game that last 3 months atleast

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  87. I have to say, the more I stare at these final evolution designs, the more I like em
    I can’t wait to find out if these rumours or true or not. Interesting change with the whole gym aspect if it turns out to be correct info

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    • I’m having trouble figuring out the flaws of Popplio 3 and Rowlet 3, although I can understand the hate for Litten 3. I really wanted a quadruped Fire/Poison tiger, but Fire/Poison has already been made a reality!

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      • I think it’s because people weren’t expecting them. As in, Rowlet 3 has a hood, but people think it’d look better without it. Or Popplio 3 is a siren, when people think it should be more clown like. Stuff like that.
        It’s not that the designs are inherently flawed, it’s just not what some people wanted because they expected a certain theme.

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      • I think a lot of hate for Popplio’s is that it’s too feminine (but who cares, its Pokemon!)
        Roulette’s just looks so cool, and I can understand the apprehension with Litten’s – as it’s bipedal and a wrestler of some kind which could mean fighting – but I would’ve gone for part dark

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        • My problem with Popplio is exactly as you say. It’s girly but to an extreme extent. Delphox is feminine too but I had no problems with it. This is too much. The other thing’s also right, I expect this. Popplio just doesn’t seem girly to me. It’s giving off some “little boy” vibes to me at least.

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          • I don’t know either but whining about this doesn’t change a thing. I just like to sound my opinion but please tell me if I’m irritating or something. I don’t want to be a burden to anyone.

      • my problem with popplio3 is that nothing about it reminds me of popplio. with rowlet and litten 3 there are alot of things in the design that reminds me of them but popplio? not even the color scheme is the same one ( is basically white now)

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        • I wouldn’t say that it doesn’t resemble it, rather it’s very different. The basic characteristics are still the same, so the tail or the body structure remains pretty much unchanged. But apart from that it doesn’t match Popplio’s character that much. Sure, Froakie also got rid of its foam when it evolved into Greninja but that change wasn’t this drastical. When looking at Chicorita and Fennekin you just see on their designs that they’re meant to be a little bit more feminine than the other two. But this time it’s different. Popplio doesn’t give out any girly vibes to me at least. But I really don’t know.

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        • So the reverse of what happened to Oshawott (for color scheme)? Started out primarily light blue + white, turned, became dark blue as Samurott

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          • fair enough. atleast oshawott still have the shell thing going on. popplio had the dorky nose but now is smaller and not that cute:(

    • I’m the same except for Popplio’s. Rowlet’s design is simply awesome and Litten grew on me little by little but I just can’t come to like Popplio’s even for a tiny bit. I said it a million times already and I really don’t want to whine about it but it’s just a big no for me… I really loved Popplio from the start but this thing disgusts me for some reason. It’s just too girly. This is a first for me tho. Never disliked a Pokémon before because it’s feminine. The design seems too off for me. I don’t get this girly vibe from Popplio.

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      • Yeah I understand where ya coming from with Popplio’s – I thought the same at first – but then I realised that it’s not that big of a deal, I mean the long hair reminds me of Jason Momoa as Aquaman

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    • Yeah I am feeling the same. Even with Litten’s.
      I still don’t care for Litten’s evo tho, since I wanted something else and I really don’t want it to be Fire/Fighting.
      I’m just gonna hope and give it time

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    • Yeah, was also thinking about this. Making Rockruff a werewolf as they said in the article would make absolutely no sense. According to the wording on the official site, it only has one evolution. If it’s true, evolving from a puppy to a bipedal big wolf thing seems dumb. With a middle stage wolf evo it wouldn’t be so dumb but I just want Rockruff to evolve into a regular old wolf.

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    • Here’s a thought Bipedal Rockruff evo that’s Rock and dark type.. Dark due to it being a werewolf. I’m sure people wouldn’t be very happy with the 4X weakness to fighting hahaha

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  88. Just had a thought about this, don’t know if anyone has said this or not but what if the secret that the starters + Rockruff have if something to do with these humanoid evolutions?
    I mean these three starters evos all show human characteristics and traits (more than a Pokemon should) and if Rockruff becomes a werewolf – which is basically a human wolf, then surely there’s some kind of connection – along with the whole “synergy/bond” aspect that’s been floating around

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  89. Just saw on Serebii that we’re set to get new footage on the 17th from Pokenchi. I imagine that the rest of the world will get a trailer sooner than that. With this being a thing I think I’m far more inclined to believe that 4Chan leaker as they stated that we’d get a trailer on the new mechanic next week. HYPE!!!!

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  90. Rockruff’s description on the Pkmn website states that before it evolves, it starts to howl while the sun goes down. Which actually would make me believe even more that these leaks are legit.

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    • Yeah. I hope its evo isn’t too scary tho. the description also states that it leaves to evolve and then comes back. I can’t imagine the fear of having a werewolf suddenly sneak up on you while you are waiting for a cute and cuddly dog to come back hahaha

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  91. Please! I dont like Poplio, well I dont hete it but He wont be my opcion for my starter but please, dont turn him in that shitty pokemon design ???? it’s too girly, I know twe get a female design pokemon as starter like gen 1 it was Vensaur, gen 2 Meganium, gen 3 Blaziken, gen 4 Empoleom, gen 5 Serperior and gen 6 Dephox but please they look both gender. ??? this one look awful, cool for girls but what about men.

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  92. I’ve just came across another potential leak, this is from May though.

    3 New Pokemon:
    Deuxdrop
    Grass/Water Based on a dewdrop on a leaf, it’s actually two small dewdrops holding a leaf over their heads. I think it’s a middle form, since it doesn’t really look finished. I’m guessing the other forms are a single dewdrop, and then three, kinda like Magneton or Dugtrio. Absolute GARBAGE attack, but decent Special Attack + a lot of speed

    Angleam
    Water/Electric and Lanturn evolution

    Duddigoyle – Rock and pre-evo of Druddigon

    Other details: Trainers show an emotional response when their Pokémon either faints or beats the opponent.

    Items used in gym battles/island trials are tied to the difficulty setting (yes you read that correct)

    At the beginning of the game, your mother will give you a “Sunglasses Case” and tell you that they can “help you see the world differently”. You can’t do anything with it until you reach a changing station in a Pokemon Center (Yes, customization has been brought back).

    While at the changing station, you can access the case, and there will be two pairs of sunglasses you can wear, each corresponding to a difficulty level. Putting on the Rose glasses makes the game easier, while the Sunflower glasses makes it harder (I thought it was cute that the “rose tinted glasses” make things easier). Unfortunately, this does mean that if you play on Easy or Hard, you are forced to wear sunglasses.

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  93. Im back, but only to speculate on these, I hadn’t left the page on my computer and saw this. No spoilers yet hopefully for me. I will actually be sticking around until these are proven false or true in the next coro coro, but I have a friend who is going to check for me to make sure no new ‘mons get spoiled for me.

    Here is why I think they are false:

    As many have stated, a fire/ poison lizard has been thought of before because of fiery salamanders with toxins in their biological make up. It could easily have been speculated by someone.

    Also, like people have said, the werewolf thing could easily be assumed by anyone based on the flavor text.

    These evos don’t make sense seeing how someone said its called Panthster or something, yet the tag on the pictures says Tiger3. Also, why wouldn’t those names just be present along with the images. Or am I talking about two different leaks? This has been one jumbled mess.

    The super move theory has way more credibility since Kukui has been studying moves, but why would it result in a change to aesthetics. Pickachu looked the same in the image on the website, and Ash-Greninja is half a kalos starter, half an anime character who has never appeared before in the games.

    I hope this gets cleared up soon. All of this. What with FB being loaded with the tragedies of our world, and this site being a frenzy, I need it cleared up stat.

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      • No but it says Tiger3 and someone else said the leaked name is Panthster. (which imo is tricky to pronounce). Why not just call it Panthster on the page. And also, people keep freaking out about a bipedal fire starter AGAIN, but maybe its not a lack of trying, its Gamefreak’s intent. Maybe they want the pattern to be bipedal fire starters, prehistoric animals for grass, and amphibious water starters. The zodiac theory for fire was always reaching a little too far.

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          • People kinda thought it was based on one of the first mammals.
            EDIT: There’s also a theory I saw that said the grass starters represent the natural evolution of animals over time. We’ve only now reached mammals and then birds. Probably not though.

          • I dunno, that’s kind of a stretch. The first mammals weren’t really hedgehog like, if I recall.
            Plus Treecko’s a gecko. Sure, there were some prehistoric ones maybe, but it’s based off a modern one.
            I think, like the fire zodiac theory, that one is kind of stretch.
            Not everything has to be a pattern 🙂

          • Exactly, but design wise, there’s clearly a pattern of bipedal fire starters. When all six are bipedal, its not just coincidence. Especially when grass and water have gone back and forth from bi to quad to none (with serperior).

          • True, but that’s something I wouldn’t consider a theme like with the water starters or the supposed fire zodiac theory. It’s just a design preference for how the fire starters should look.

          • I still want quads regardless, patterns can always break 🙂
            Heck, people thought for the longest time that the grass starters were reptilian, but then Chespin and now Rowlet proved them otherwise.

          • I want one too lol. and litten being a big fire tiger would be the perfect start to the six upcoming gens of quad fire starters.

      • I dont even think they are fake because of their appearance. I dont mind them, although I would prefer to not have fire/fighting. Im hoping it will be fire/dark. There’s just some strange red flags in this info.

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        • Ikr im ok with fire/dark and the supposed fire/ground that everyone forgot about but idk this just reminds of x and y and the rumors of team gear and the whole traveling trough time thing it was just off and weird

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  94. Rockruff evolving into a Werewolf is actually quite possible. “Howls when the sun goes down” and becoming “wilder” as it nears evolution are all qualities that Werewolves posses. Also, silver bullets are the only effective weapons against Werewolves and what weakness does Rockruff’s Rock-typing bring? Ding-ding, weakness to Steel-type moves.

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      • The Pokemon website describes Rockruff as a pkmn that evolves when the sun goes down. Basically confirming it will become a werewolf.

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          • I honestly wouldn’t care since it’s still a wolf and I’ll love it.
            I just think it’ll be more wolf than werewolf.

          • Yeah and i mean it is a puppy, the tamed form of a wolf, so a puppy becoming wilder is basically turning into a wolf

          • Exactly.
            I wouldn’t mind either one, but I feel, based on the info we have, it’s going to evolve into a wolf not a werewolf. But that’s how I see it. I can see why it would turn into a werewolf tho, as CoolGlaceon’s post makes sense and I like the idea presented.

          • Yeah i gues i dont mind either aswell but just like you im leaning towards wolf but at this point it could be anything heck maybe even a dingo to go along with komala

    • I’ve never understood the idea of a Pokemon wereworlf. By definition a werewolf is a human being that turns into a wolf. That’s where the “were” comes from. Otherwise it’d have to be a “something else wolf” lol

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        • But again it’d would be a “were” wolf per say as the word “were” in werewolf means man. It’d technically be something entirely different. Unless we get to catch a human being!!!! lol

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      • OMG U HAVE TO SYNERGIZE WITH ROCKRUFF LIKE ASH-GRENINJA TO EVOLVE IT. THIS IS WHY ROCKRUFF HAS SOMETHING “SPECIAL” ABOUT IT. THIS WOULD MAKE ROCKRUFF PART HUMAN ERGO A WEREWOLF. IT MAKES SENSE NOW. I sound like such a conspiracy theorist holy shit

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        • I still don’t see an Ash-Greninja type of thing happened in the games, but I’ll get used to it if it ends up being true.

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          • Same. Especially with customizable trainers. Good luck with modeling 800+ Pokemon times the number of clothing options in SM

          • Which is why I think that, should it be a thing it will be exclusive to the Alola starters.

          • What’s the point then? Introduce a mechanic that only affects three pokemon? Stick to megas, gamefreak, they’re still fresh out of the oven.

          • Could be cool if done right. But looking at Ash-Greninja.. No thanks, Litten’s (potential) final evo is ugly enough

  95. HOLY SHIT
    ME AND MY FRIENDS BEAT RIVAL ROUND 2 IN POKEMON STADIUM 2 WITH RENTALS
    YOU SHOULD’VE SEEN IT

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  96. Just one gym leader, an evo of rockruff, the first evos for the starters, or clarification of the diamond stones could negate these leaks. *fingers crossed*

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    • We have corocoro coming and according to serebii pokenchi will have gameplay on the 17th so im hoping this rumor gets debunked so i can move on with my excited, hyped about sun and moon-self again

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    • Well the leaker that said he was fired from being a translator said that there would be a trailer up next week talking about the new mechanic and wouldn’t you know it Pokenchi has announced that they are gonna show something new off in relation to Sun and Moon. Coincidence? I think not! lol

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      • If im not mistaken, Pokenchii isn’t ever the first source of news for us. Plus, what did we get the last time they promised a big reveal? SQUAT.

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        • True. I never said they’d be the first to show off whatever it is we get next week. I’d imagine we will get something earlier in the week first from the official Pokemon YouTube channel. Maybe whatever it is will also be in CoroCoro lol

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          • Dont they have an exact date they release their monthly copies? Like around the 10th of each month?

          • Official release is the 15th in japan but leak tend to occur from the 10th-14th maybe even as soon as the 8th

          • Seeing as they’re also rushing the anime because of S/M, it wouldn’t surprise me if they also release a huge chunk of info in the next 2/3 months.

          • CoroCoro officially release most months on the 15th. They leak however earlier. The leak is usually when we first hear about the news.

          • Well it prolly won’t happen for another couple of days, but it could technically leak at anytime now yes lol

          • The thing is that i think this leak was a week ago or two so the trailer with the new feature should have been up now. Again im not sure when the leak was posted but i think it was weeks ago and gained credibility with salandit

          • True!!! Im pretty sure this was leaked a while ago and someone just remembered the salandit thing.

          • What? The guy who leaked the trailer time frame posted two days ago. That would still make it next week. Right now we have two different leaks. The Chinese leaks from weeks ago that involve the pics of the starter evos and then another leak from a guy that revealed further “info” which includes him saying that there will be a trailer next week.

          • Oh ok the that can mean two things:
            1. This “leaker” saw the chinese “leak” and used it for credibility, this guy also knew that corocoro comes next week and along that comes a video so he used that to increase his credibility
            2. …nothing i guess that maybe they are real(they likely arent)

          • Hey you could be right. Maybe the Chinese rumors are the only real ones maybe they aren’t. Maybe this other guy is telling the truth maybe he isn’t, but I think at this point the info we DO have is quite interesting. things tend to get more complicated as real leaks start coming. I guess we won’t know for sure until next week. I would like to point out that the interest in the Chinese leaks only re-surged in the past 24 or so hours. So him posting a couple of days ago would put him at leas ta day before anymore of this started becoming a thing. Either way I guess all we can do is wait to see if any of the leaks come true.

          • They are interesting ill give you that, they give us something to talk about while we wait for the games

    • I remember having a leak where only a majority of the information were accurate back in X and Y. I see this being the case for these as well (if they do end up being real). If anything, I want the “no traditional gyms” and Litten’s final evo to not be real cuz those are such disappointments goddamn

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      • I dont understand how someone gets only half the info right. Either you played the game and forgot half and made up half, or you’re really lucky and guessed half correctly. That, or you worked on the game and they’ve since done a major overhaul of the entire game.

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        • True. Hey, maybe they think it would throw GameFreak off? A sprinkle of inaccurate info here and there so that GF won’t notice lol

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          • I guess. Seems like an odd strategy where you run the risk of being proven false by info being released that pertains to your false 50%.

  97. The one thing that is interesting but not all that unusual is because Pokenchi is slow and for children, is that of all the new Pokemon from July, they only showed Tapu Koko. So, they could be showing the remaining Pokemon on the 17th. But that still doesn’t disprove the fired European Employee’s promise of a new video next week. We just have to wait this out I’m afraid.

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    • If these leaks are legit, and they will rapidly spread over the internet in the coming days, I’m expecting GF to upload new footage of them on YT tbh.

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  98. Im so torn. I love rumor season, but there’s always weird stuff that never shows up in the games. Regardless of the outcomes in the past, I don’t like the weird stuff that draws lines in the fandom and makes people want to quit Pokemon. Weirder things have been “leaked” and have no come true. Stay strong, people!

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  99. Hmm if you think about it ppl that work on the translation team shouldnt know anything on when videos are realeased as that is managed by the marketing team and the director and producer of the games are in charge of that i believe

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    • Surely news spreads.

      Someone from the marketing team mentions it at lunch, someone a table over hears and starts discussing it with some people. Other people hear and so on.

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      • I think they would have some kind of secrecy policy in which if they catch you sayng something they will cut your salary or something to avoid tha hehe still it is a possibility

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        • But its not really a leak. Since there’s no info, it’s just a time when something will happen.

          It’s like me discussing with a colleague about going out for drinks and me declining saying I have a video I need to finish as the deadline is (insert date). Everything else can be inferred from that.

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  100. I choose to believe the rumors we have right now. They may not all come true, but I think the sources are legit. I usually keep myself pretty reserved when it comes to stuff like this, but these are quite odd rumors and I think those kinds of rumors tend to lend themselves better than those that are the typical dregs. Either way I think all will become clear in the next week or so. We are in an interesting and fun time here people. Just remember that at the end of the day we should all still be friends! Don’t let differences in opinions push you apart! lol

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  101. So far, only Rowlet and Popplio are the only ones that have shown evidence alluding to potentially being an Archer/Siren with Leafage and Disarming Voice. The moment Litten learns Body Slam, I’d be completely convinced xD

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  102. I’m not going to believe or disbelieve anything just yet, but I will say I wouldn’t be disappointed if these turn out to be true. I think it would be fun to make gyms as long as we can truly pick anyone to be the Leaders and they’re not all pre-planned. And as for the starters, my only problem is that I’d choose Popplio despite rooting for Litten previously. Overall though, I just really want a sea cucumber, so I’m crossing my fingers. :p

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  103. It’s a happy day for me today. My girlfriends son told me he wants to start playing pokemon, so I’m giving him my x version to start with 🙂

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  104. I don’t believe everything from the rumours, because I don’t really know the fill extent of them just yet….not reading through the entire thread.

    But a new formula with no gyms and e4 is something I would welcome. The idea of each island consisting of a ‘leader’ who you have to beat is something I’ve mentioned before…and would be happy to see.

    As for the Pokemon leaks, they are whatever, we only have supposed names and types which I don’t really care much about. Give me abilities, stats, move pools and then we can talk.

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  105. Here’s some more rumours/leaks guys: Litten WON’T become shit it will stay quadrupedal. You will get a dolphin Pokemon. There are only two crystals and they are used for a special move for certain mons the crystal you get is simply based on game. The gyms and E4 etc are still in tact. Mega evolution is gone because it was stupid. Pokemon will follow you. You can ride only a select couple Pokemon still. Your trainer is fully customizable. The artificial island is the E4 island. Battle Royal will not be part of the main story, just a multiplayer mode. Rockruff does become a werewolf and is the only evolution for it. Becomes part Dark type. Litten stays pure Fire. Rowlet stays Grass/Flying. Popplio becomes part Fairy. Magearna is not involved in the story. There are no synchros and Ash-Greninja will not be in the game. There will be more than 100 new mons.

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  106. Oh in that rumour that I totally found that is so legit I forgot to mention a pure Ice wolf mon is coming too it is quadrupedal and has one evolution. Spikes of ice along its back very fierce. Love it.

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  107. I just wish there was some piece of evidence that were tear apart both the Chinese and European leakers. But we have nothing. We have to painfully wait for the European Employee to stay true to his word or not. Hopefully it’s the latter and this is all just a nightmare. As no one in the community can prove or disprove those ****ing Starter Concept sheets. It’s been over a month since those came out of nowhere. The problem is because they came out of nowhere and no one has been able to disprove them real or fake, I’m starting to kinda believe them.

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  108. You know, mega evolution never would’ve been necessary if instead of designing an entire new convoluted yet temporary mechanic, they just gave pokemon stat boosts and actual evolutions…

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    • I’m starting to view Megas more as a story plot – I mean with the whole Delta episode and AZ & the Ultimate Weapon etc
      Maybe when this whole arc plays out, there’ll be a new mechanic of some sort?

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    • Except for the Megas of pokemon already in their 3rd stage. It’s also probably for promotion (Wow, my dearest Gen 1 Charizard just got even more powerful?? Cool!!).
      I’d prefer that those without 2 evolutions would get an evo instead of a Mega, though.

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  109. ”There are many unmarked locations on the map, which are known as ”districts” and contain powerful Pokémon known as Overlords”. These are not the Island Guardians.

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  110. okay guys since the rumors that there’s going to be 90 Pokemon,we need to figure out what be the 90 Pokemon listings be.

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  111. Is anyone else having an issue with the gyms in Pokemon GO? I challenged one earlier, and I could not get the last Pokemon below one HP. It got down to minimum health, and I couldn’t kill it. Just now, my brother had the same issue. I was wondering if anyone knew anything about this, and help is appreciated.

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  112. This Siren pokemon thing with beautiful blue hair makes Popplio’s baldness so funny all of a sudden and I have no idea why

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          • Furbait isn’t really anything new though for pokemon. Most pokemon you can google and will find furry stuff with a bit of scrolling down

          • I really am getting tired of you and all of your negativity. Every single thing I see pretty much 95% of the time that comes out of your keyboard is something negative. I do admit I hate these leaks too and want them dead but I want to at least try to be optimistic and adapt to the changes if the leaks are real, which I sadly think is a 60% chance at this time. We’ll just have to learn to live with it. And if you can’t, just stop playing Pokemon. It’s as simple as that. *Prepares for a machine gun to be fired*

          • I think the excitement over the game will die off though if they don’t roll out better ways to battle and level up pokemon. Seems kinda limited right now. Miitomo is basically dead now because they didn’t introduce more social features and minigames and things.

          • I heard supposedly they are going to introduce more features in the future. There was an article on Twitter I saw. I personally don’t care much for the game (but I am glad it is doing well at the moment) and didn’t read it. So I don’t have the link.

          • Like I said before, just stop playing Pokemon if you think that way. You just seem so miserable and I feel like you almost love to get pleasure out of making other people miserable and angry as well. *Prepares for another round of shots*

          • I grew up with the series as well, since I was like 3. I see change as a good thing
            It’s exciting to see new Pokemon, characters, regions and even other potential changes such as this gym rumour because it means more exploring potentially and a better gameplay experience

          • The meat of the game is different for everybody. They’re not gonna throw away 20 years of Pokemon for nothing, so I don’t think you have anything to worry about
            And if they do, so what? That’s life and you can’t have it your way, all the time.

          • The meat of the game is the meat of the game it isn’t different for everybody. Gyms ARE the game along with the story and evil team and E4 and champion. And they could throw everything away because they don’t care. And if they do that means they’ve SERIOUSLY fucked up and will lose AN ASSLOAD of sales. And sure I can’t have it my way all the time but I NEVER have it my way because life sucks asshole.

          • The meat of the game for some people is the “gotta catch em all” aspect. For some, they really enjoy the meta. They’ve been building up a good story for 2 games, so that’s something to look forward to
            They don’t care? If anything, nintendo probably cares about their fans and franchise more than other companies, I mean after all it is considered the family orientated gaming company
            Sales have been strong for Pokemon, this little slip up in Go will be resolved and as they release more Pokemon, it will build up the hype.
            You are being quite negative over something that might not even be true, what’s the point in wasting your time?
            And you keep playing the whole “my life sucks so I’m gonna be an ass to people” card. Well guess what, sadly we all have our life problems. No it’s not gonna make you feel better, but what should is knowing there are people on this site who will happily talk to you about anything and be there for you. Its a Pokejungle family and the more of a dick you are, the less people will care.
            You are in charge of your own life, I was like that where my life sucked too but over time, I realised that I was the main cause of my misery as I wasn’t allowing myself to be open minded and become a lil happier. Whatever you’re going through, just know that better things are ahead of you (even if it’s not Pokemon)

          • That ain’t the meat. That is just post game things to do for people.

            Nintendo doesn’t care actually. They’ve been fucking up hardcore lately.

            People seem to love GO but it will always be a scam.

            It is likely going to be true is the problem.

            I really don’t care how people perceive me. I am how I am. And no there isn’t better things ahead except death which will be salvation for me from this hell.

    • *Shoots machine gun at the leaker* Sorry. I just have absoultely no respect for leakers who want to spoil the entire game. It makes me angry. I remember X and Y and how it was leaked 2 weeks before worldwide release. Masuda-san must of been so upset and disappointed because they wanted the world to experience it for the first time, together, but leakers prevent that. There sadly will always be leakers. But I hope never again on the scale of that severity.

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          • It wouldn’t be Sonic ’06. Sonic Team has sucked ass for years now anyways. And no it wasn’t. First time they showed SM sure.

          • Holy crap, how many times did they mention they are streaming it while still in dev?

            Sonic ’06 was rushed out the door leaving it broken and unpolished. Same story for Sonic Boom. Games are complicated and they need lots of time to be worked out and debugged. They may show is game play and pokemon, but what they aren’t showing is the various bugs, glitches and crashes that they are spending their time working on.

          • You clearly know nothing about game development then.

            Games start out with prototyping to test how the game plays while using very little resources. SuMo most likely skipped this since it is a sequel of a long running series with the same gameplay.

            Then usually a long period of pre-production. Time to figure out things like the world, characters, systems, mechanics, story, stuff like that.

            After that is implementation and asset creation. Actually developing the game. This stuff is the meat of the project.

            Afterwards is polish and debugging. This is crucial to a project and is what separates a good, working game from an unholy broken mess. Lots of time is needed.

            Then PR and legal stuff. There is a process to getting your game out to players. You cant just sell it. You have to go through retailers and the publisher and all of that stuff.

            No step of game development can be rushed. It is all a very important and you cant skip out on any of them

          • No it freaking isn’t. Pokemon isn’t a tiny indie game. There is work to do or they would’ve released it already. They aren’t “keeping the fans waiting”. You can’t keep developers, artists etc. on standby. They are expensive so they have to be doing stuff. And well, they are still doing stuff. Why can’t you accept the fact that you may actually be wrong about something. Wrong about freaking Pokemon no less.

          • We are the people who give them money. They NEED us to run their company. They dont hate us. That is just ridiculous.

            Plus, content is not necessarily the same as development time. Alot goes into a game than just what you see. They have to be pulling some crazy programming magic to get it to run this good on the 3DS. A system that had trouble running Binding of Issac. Lots of work is going into this so we can get the best possible game.

          • StarStorm, just let it go. He’s adamant about his stance. There’s not much you can do, I’ve tried.

          • Of course they hate us. And to be honest we don’t contribute all that much it is the stupid ass investors which is why they make it a point to please their dumb old asses.

          • I like having a planned team, I rarely change up the members and I don’t like going in completely blind to new Pokemon because I might end up liking one of them but have no room for it because I already have a planned team. Makes deciding harder that way

  113. young guys those were cool final evolution art ideas for Litten,:D now let’s see if you can try for Rowlet and Popplio let your imaginations run wild! XD

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  114. Does anyone still believe there will be gyms? Judging by the map, and the several GamexPlain vids, Alola doesn’t seem to have any gyms, or at least not in the way that we are used to. Island trials actually sounds pretty logical.

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  115. If you follow the theory that we’re heading back to Kalos this gen then I think we can still get our 8 gym leaders. They can even pull a G/S/C and change some leaders. Maybe Ramos can pass his gym down to an apprentice or Viola can be gone on a photography trip or something.

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  116. Ok so lets compare these two maps, the official one and the one kukui shows us. The first thing we notice is the location of the islands, they are more diagonal which means that in the official art they are arranged so all of them can be featured, also you can see that in the one kukui shows you some towns are bigger, most notably the one on the top left of the biggest island, this proves my point that the alola region CAN fit 8 gyms in it because the towns arent on scale. Comment if you see any more interesting differences

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    • Oh also forgot to mention there is a route with an U shape between the biggest mountain and the mountain with the space observatory which connects the two biggest towns in the island

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  117. Can someone explain the whole “Island Trails” thing to me or is basically just another fancy way of saying what the Chinese leaker said: “No traditional Gyms and League in Alola. You have to create your own.” Sorry for being out of the loop.

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  118. “When you’re feeling mad and you want to roar, take a deep breath (takes breath) and count to four; one, two, three, four”

    Daniel Tiger

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  119. SO, does anyone know why when I challenge a gym, I can’t have a team of 6? I only have one Pokemon that I can battle with…. Anyone know why?

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      • I’m neutral about it. I don’t hate them or like them. I see both good things and ideas that might take some getting used to.
        There’s no point to have an extreme reaction to them, imo, since they aren’t even true, at least, for right now.

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          • Not always. I’ve known a good amount of rumors which turned out to be false during XY. There are some true ones, not gonna deny that, but not every rumor leak like this is bound to be true.

          • I don’t really remember XY but I am sure there was a rumour about a abysmally small amount of new mons and it came true sadly.

          • Yes, there was a leak like that happening, but there was also rumors that were false as well.
            I’m not some superhuman to recall of the examples, but you can easily look back at the PJ articles to find some of them.

        • I wish I could be like you Percy. For me, I see as I like some of the ideas (Snowman Pokemon and Popplio and Rowlet’s final evolutions as such), but hate others and am kinda paranoid and little negative because I am trying to adjust to the possibility of them possibly being true.

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        • I’m neutral as well. If GF decides to change up the formula, then so be it. In order to be the very best, I will take on all Pokémon has to challenge (or not… XY) me with

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      • You cant lump everyone into one. Percy and Gikie literally just disproved it with their comments. YOU dislike it. Quite a bit actually. But your opinion does not speak for the rest of the fandom. In fact, I would say this recent bout of leaks has produced pretty even opinions on both sides of the spectrum and everywhere in between.

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          • No. Not perhaps. The generalization is wrong. Plain wrong. I try to stay as level headed with these leaks, and with commenting on here in general. I always try to just chat about these things since they are, after all, just a game. But you’ve got to lighten up, man. It’s exhausting to argue with you or to read about your anger everywhere. Let people enjoy these leaks if they want. Let people enjoy Pokemon Go if they want. Them liking it doesnt make it good for you, just like you disliking it doesnt make it bad for anyone else. You have no influence on people’s opinions when you speak that way. None of us really do.

    • Aww thanks <3 Always willing to see the brighter side of things, especially when I've been in the dark for so long. Never want to go back to that time again

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  120. -I have been made a sketch long time ago for Komala evolution I called him Bulkoala …any suggestion for cooler name?
    -Bulkoala -Meditation pkmn …..which on is the better concept in this pic when he levitate by holding his stick or when he lay down on this big log?

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  121. If you guys are feeling particularly effected by the pointless negativity and annoying constant whining of angry trolls I would recommend simply blocking them guys 🙂

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  122. So if those hideous things were real (I don’t think they are) and we were all stuck with them, what would be your order of choice? Mine: 1-Archer; 2-Wrestler;3-Drag queen.

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          • lol pls. i always choose fire starter no matter what but based on art its like you said: rowlet, then popplio, then litten. calm down i have nothing against you because i dont even talk much here, but understand that everyone has an opinion. youre creating unnecessary drama and negativity for absolutely no reason. like seriously, how people perceive you? pls, the only perception you can get of someone here online, is how easily annoyed you get. i know exaclty what im talking about. just calm down i meant no offense to you

          • You clearly don’t. I wasn’t saying others couldn’t like the stupid shitty fuck over of Litten or whatever I was saying I refuse to even put it at number 3 because it doesn’t deserve it.

          • you say that you arent forcing people to do anything or like anything yet you literally told me to shut the hell up. if you cant see that you are forcing your opinion, then you should just stop because again you are getting upset, these are freakin rumored leaks, calm down till they are confirmed or even denied. you are entitled to an opinion and i respect that, i have no reason to bash on others’ opinions, but you have to understand you cant either. just cut the vulgar language and drop the negativity

          • I only told you to shut the hell up because you were clearly in the wrong and didn’t know what you were talking about. And I can’t just drop anything it is how I am.

          • ok then thats it, thanks for the pointless argument, and rather unnecessary use of vulgarity. that is all i have to say.

    • 1 – Archer
      2 – Siren
      3 – Wrestler (unless it’s Fire/Dark for some reason, then it will be tied with Popplio’s evo)

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          • Not saying it is an attack, we are all ignorant, and we need to not be silenced when we constantly endure dehumanizing language. Some people do not have to endure that dehumanization based solely on their identity, and thus, do not understand what it is like. So again, you said I AM TROLLING — do not silence me or you are also a part of that problem.

          • Just because I stated you were trolling doesn’t mean I intended to silence you. but seriously if nothing else you overreacted to something innocent. I get where you are coming from but seriously.

          • No. You are “overreacting” is used to silence and make irrational a constant struggle to be legitimate to the world who engages in bigotry without malice, but it causes malice —collectively through small action.

          • Intentionality does not equate innocence. Thus why I said “ignorance”. Ignorance to harm produces collective harms. I read stuff like this everyday…it gets to me a bit, for others who are suicidal and depressed it crushes them each time — more and more.

          • Really? You are going to deny pain and suffering. What the hell, I work with and research these issues for a living. I am an expert, but I only make claims that are based on the subjects I interview, not my own “opinion” of belief.

          • It’s fine. So long as they learn from their mistakes. And understand that they can 1: continue to do the same regardless of the implication or ; 2: be more cognizant.

          • stop crying and i’m not even gonna get into the trans problem because its not my body nor my business, I won’t be marrying one. But can you please just show me a male to female who menstruates and has a fallopian tube as well as ovaries. that’s all.

          • sex what we are born as. gender who we describe/identify ourselves. so why do i have to call someone a male when she isn’t one biologically

          • but doesn’t our natural body structure/functions and hormones play into what’s/who’s male and female. a male species is a male to me.

          • Nope. Transgenderism and homosexuality is exhibited in nature. It is evolutionary beneficial. That function of deviation is not a joke, but a means for adaptability, especially among mammals (not exclusively).

          • so males don’t release more testerone than females therefore giving them certain facial hair and deep voice and females don’t release more estrogen than testosterone. Females naturally shred the inner linning of the uterus because it awaited for an egg that never came. This does not happen to males for a reason. I appreciate you taking the time to write back. I mean no hate and vulgurness but at the same time, I won’t change my views. I just don’t want people comitting suicide anymore for this. its disturbing.

          • There is science to back up the transgender identity actually, sometimes it has to do with hormones or with brain functions and such, I mean there is still little known about it but at this point we have enough medical evidence to prove that being trans is ingrained in us probably since birth, as for nature, the clown fish is an example (not a great one) of a species that changes its gender… but yeah

          • Well I mean, there are people who are intersex, who are a mix of both male and female in a way, so…. what is your point?

          • Transgender is an umbrella term.

            It means any one who is transexual, transvestite, non-gender conforming, among others.

          • Oh. I’m not educated on this subject, so I’m just going to stay out of it. If people disagree with you, just ignore them honestly.

          • Get educated then. I have had to on my own casual and seemingly innocent racism, but it has real impacts especially when each small event is aggregated into a system of oppression. Some things are not joking matters.

          • I misread your post a bit…we all need education and need to have mutual respect. It’s tough for all of us, I was getting a bit heated from the back and forth of being ignored or being called a troll. But I respect your response!

          • so far I have agreed with a lot of your points but that comment makes me feel like you are a milo stewart viewer, and I really hope thats not the case

            also, the hipster rowlet was being pretty kind, so maybe reword your response :/ it just sounds kinda bad in the first line, but maybe thats me

  123. Does anyone know why I can’t challenge a gym with a full team of six in pokemon go? (I’m asking again since there might be some new people logged on)

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  124. So im gone for like an hour and when i come back there is a war because some cant respect aurugar’s opinion? C’mon guys we should take a break and calm down not eve earthen gets to this level of agressive nonsense

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    • People have been respecting his opinions for a while. but they are everywhere, in unwarranted and unnecessary places and they are almost all negative in nature. What’s the point of continuing to comment if you have nothing good to say?

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      • Haven’t been really paying much attention to all this, but you’re right. The good thing to do is to post your comment and then if no one agrees with you that’s fine, but continuing to post negative things doesn’t make someone more right. It just makes them more of something else…..I won’t go there lol Anyway there’s a difference between having a civilized conversation with someone whom you have differing opinions and a simple shouting match lol

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        • Exactly. I apologize for losing my cool, but there is a definite difference between bombarding us with your negativity and simply disliking something. I am not the biggest fan of Litten’s evo, I think there were some flaws with Gen 6, etc. just like him, but Im not blasting it on almost every single thread. Its bumming the mood. Let people be excited about something.

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      • Well it is HIS opinion, not yours, not mine, so if he wants to be negative let him be i mean i dont think his opinion is making anyone die or anything, i mean sure it may be annoying but this is the internet and i think he can do whaterver he wants with his opinion as long as it is nothing extreme like forcing everyone into and with what i have seen he has been trying to defend his opinio but he hasnt tried to shove it down anyone so yeah

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  125. Whelp thats it im leaving until corocoro leaks, maybe then everyone has calmed down and will be thinking straight once again, bye-bye

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  126. What is even happening. Fr, is there some kind of fight that went on that I missed?

    XD Well, to the people leaving, see you tomorrow XD

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  127. I’m curious: with the e-mail sign up at the start of GO, does that mean I can pick up and play with any device that’s signed in with that account? If so, that’s really cool and will eliminate lots of stress with transferring save data from one phone to another.

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    • I tested that, if you sign in, yes, it does allow transfer. i did so by wiping my account when it didn’t work by uninstalling, and it picked up right where it left off, best of luck, deer~

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      • That makes me so happy! This account will hopefully stick with me for many years. So when I get a new phone in a few years, GO will follow me there!

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  128. Whats everyone’s favourite place in the pokemon game universe? like a specific place.

    Mine is Ecruteak city because of how beautiful it is, it has a sick ghost gym, and the cool towers. Plus its in my fav region. ^_^

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  129. Make Nachos, not war!
    Nachos are yummy, war is disgusting.
    Nachos make people happy, and are served with cheese. Wars make people sad, and come with casualties.

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  130. What do people still think of the other types listed on the main site (the grass flying ground fire water fighting icons) that everyone was talking about a while a go. Does that negate the starter evolutions in the leak?

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  131. Random: If you could assign a pokemon to the different users on here based on their comments and not based on their name or type preference, what would they be?

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  132. What about corocoro, is there gonna be any new info there? If not, there’s any clue about when/where new stuff will drop?

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  133. The what Pokemon are users made me think, do any of you guys know your Myers Briggs personality type? Mine is intj btw.

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  134. I really hope this is fake just because I hate the Starter evos so damn much. Making Litten a wrestler is the worst decision they could ever make.

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  135. Question: Anyone think Sandilit will have a different model for the female forme?
    (The one in the trailer had a male symbol next to the health bar)

    I would love to see a bonnie and clyde motif in the anime. I could see her bandit mask appear like to downward pig-tails. Or something completely different.

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  136. Well, guys that’s it for me. It’s 1 AM so I’m going to bed. Thanks for hearing me out about my cat, it means a lot. I’m really happy that I found this place like 4 years ago. Bye! 😀

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  137. okay guys to make sure this doesn’t go crazy, let’s try another topic: let’s talk about the Diamond Stones and see what part they play in this game.

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  138. Okay, now that I know what’s your MBTI type, tell us what’s your Zodiac sign 🙂 (I’m a Scorpio and my rising sign is Sagittarius). And according to Unova Zodiac, I’m a Scolipede haha.

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  139. Well, I’m heading off for the evening! See you all later! I think I’m going to take a break from Pokejungle for quite a while… It’s been very hectic around here with the leaks (as today set the example). Hopefully, like someone said earlier, CoroCoro will clear some things up. I don’t want these leaks stewing for months. I’ll also send a last ditch prayer to Arceus. Anyhow, good night everybody!

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    • I got two eggs today my Eevee evolved so did Kakuna, also caught Squirtle, Zubat, Staru, and possibly a 184 co Venonat I would if severs weren’t down and I pod died during

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      • I got an egg today too. I can’t wait for it to hatch. It had better not be a Needle it something, I can catch a bunch of those from my living room.

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      • I wish I can get eggs, but I have no nearby Pokestops other than something that I have to drive to get to (which I don’t want to do alone, I ‘m waiting for my bff to come back so we can do some exploring together)

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  140. the artworks are fake .. if you take a look at the noivern artwork that was released to esrly for x/y you see that the letters are much thinner and written on a computer .. the letters on this artworks are hand written .. in addition to that this sun/moon artworks are colored and the orange stemps in zhe edges are just copy pasted 😉

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        • Yeah but has anyone even considered that if the starter leaks are indeed fake, that the artist knew about the Noivern art and replicated it for the starters to make it look more official?

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          • Impossible fam.
            Clearly the only logical option is that, even though the starter leaks came after the Noivern art, because they are similar they must be legit. /s
            Go back 2 Pre-cal

          • Wait but the Fired guy worked for Nintendo and GF during it right so mabey he replicated the design to create hype or stole the design and posted it and leaked more stuff along with it

          • yeah i think so .. at the time when x y just got annonced a little later they leaked this noivern artwork .. it was laked by 2ch or 4chan .. i can’t remember .. but i think in this source they mentioned 2ch .. so if someone knows about that it is no big deal to fake artwork .. they look pretty good but the orange stamps in the edges are the biggest mistakes the artist has done … if you compare the quality of the pokemon designs with the orange letters you see that the letters are copy pasted 🙂

          • some speculations from the past could link to fake .. in 2015 there were unoffical names: robinroot, panthster and entamaid ^^

          • The Fired guy might have stolen it or copied the concept it’s all up in the air for now but I know they have to be at least 25% of the game because it’s less than 6 months they have to be somewhat done

    • They don’t have to do the SAME exact way they did it 3 or so years ago. Maybe (if these are in fact real) they used a different thickness of pen or a different font.

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      • yeah i don’t really care about the thicknes of the letters or if they are hand written .. just mentioned it .. but compare the graphics of the pokemon designs with the CONFIDENTIAL logo .. you see that it is just copy paste .. that means they didn’t use vectors to create it 😉

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        • Who knows maybe they did copy and paste the Confidential logo. why keep recreating it when you have a perfectly good stencil right there? Anyway I guess we’ll find out if these are truly real or not sometime in the next week. Until then it doesn’t really mean anything whether we think GF would be lazy with a logo stamp or not hahaha

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    • idk man, replicating a certain artist’s or art style so perfectly as was done in these “leaks” would take a heck of a lot of time and effort, and even then there would be little bits of your own style somewhere in the artwork unless you worked on your technique for like a year, you just don’t see fakes this polished and this true to the natural style of the pokemon company imo

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      • I agree, it looks so much like Sugimori’s art style the more I look at it.
        It’s really hard to copy someone’s style so well that way

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      • yeah it is hard work .. but the designs also don’t fit with the hidden typing of the startets .. like popplio should be water/fight

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  141. Tired…..I just want the weekend to be done with
    The sooner we get through this week the sooner Corocoro

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  142. Speaking of art, I felt like drawing so I pulled up the video Sugimori did on how to draw Pikachu, and here’s my result <3
    I'm not the best drawer but I wanted to pass some time
    I'll color in the red hearts soon
    Refresh if you can't see it

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  143. Well there it is, folks. Shiny Pokemon are in GO. My real life will now be consumed by shiny hunting. It was nice knowing you all.

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    • If these starters are real, It honestly will be the second time I don’t use any starter Pokemon. The first was in gen 5 where every starter final evo was so bad I couldn’t bare to train a single one.

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  144. My top 5 final starters (taking the huge leap of faith these are real leaks):

    1 Mermaid (Popplio)
    2 Samurott
    3 Serperior
    4 Blazekin
    5 Archer (Rowlett)

    My top 5 favorite pokemon if these are real leaks:

    1. Mermaid (Popplio)
    2. Milotic
    3. Lilligant
    4. Vespiquen
    5. Rapidash
    6. Samurott
    7. Serperior
    8. Luxray
    9. Lapras
    10. Pyroar/Aurorus/Raichu/Florges/Arcanine/Kingdra/Roserade/Dragalge (tie)

    Please be real…

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  145. Someone pointed out that these things are just called Owl3, Tiger3, and Sea lion3 rather then their actual names. That’s really strange

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    • Actually, according to one worker who had somehow been fired, their English names and typings are Robingroot Grass/Flying, Panthster Fire/Dark and Entermaid Water/Fairy.

      http://sylveon.tumblr.com/image/147035012580

      I like the name or Robingroot, being a twist on Robin Hood, but Groot? Next they’ll probably have him say, ‘I am groot’

      Panthster, I get what they did, although it looks more like a Tiger, rather than a Panther. But then again, Infernape looks more like a monkey, rather than an ape.

      And lastly, Entermaid sounds more like a porno, but then again, that’s the one thing that came into my mind. But all in all, they sound great. There is no doubt at all that whoever is taking these reference sheets down, are indicated that they are in fact the real deal.

      Name and typing for these Pokemon are found here: http://sylveon.tumblr.com/image/147035012580

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  146. I’m loving this concept. I like Katniss EverGREEN, Shiny Vitaly (if u dont know Vitaly, search him up, Madagascar), and humanoid Dewgong <3

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  147. So in my daily struggles I turned to low tier Little Cup for a change of pace
    (But tiers always exist so no luck there)
    But it did gave me the idea

    If you had to pick three unevolved Pokemon regardless of overall usage what would you pick

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    • Sandshrew: because one of my all time favorites
      Dwebble: I love things with shells and I have a fondness for hermit crabs
      Makuhita: who doesn’t like this chubby bag’o guts

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    • Spheal: just look at it.
      Sandile: it looks so happy to be alive!
      Snorunt or Tyrunt: (how odd they both have runt in their name…) Really nice designs, awesome evos.

      Honorable mention: Turtwig. I frickin love his joy for life but I felt bad picking him for this list since he’s a starter.

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      • Honorable mentions
        Krabby, Cacnea, Phanpy, Magnemite, and Binacle

        But I am disappointed with the current LC meta, everyone puts like 20 evolites on everything

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    • Pink Team: Swirlix, Skitty, and Pumpkaboo
      Triad Team: Deerling (summer), Vulpix, Horsea,
      Starters: Snivy, Fennekin, Oshawott

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  148. I hope those aren’t the final evolutions! They are AWFUL! I don’t mind creating our own league but please, different final evoltions!

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  149. Not to be rude, but this rumor is pretty much fake and vague. Anyone can guess that and the stones acting like mega stones but not exactly is pretty obvious as well. With the new trailer they seem to activate a special move for some pokemon.

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  150. Litten is my fave of the starters and if this ugly evolution is real and it is yet another fire fighting type imma SCREAM!!!!! also poplio is beautiful i love it but rowlet ive always hated and suposed evolution is weird

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  151. You may have noticed that these images are still around by those that are curious, if not already liking these final forms just as I am, and if we keep showing more and more of these pics, sooner or later, Game Freak would have to show us, rather than not showing us until the actual game comes out. There are too many evidences done to show that these are genuine, look at these yourselves.

    http://shironakarius.deviantart.com/art/Starter-Pokemon-Graph-include-Alola-Pokemon-616974433

    http://shironakarius.deviantart.com/art/Possible-Sun-and-Moon-Starter-Evolution-616956747

    http://shironakarius.deviantart.com/art/Rotomdex-Possible-Final-Evolution-Fit-622622966

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  152. Okay, so many of you have been seeing these leaks for the new starter Pokemon’s final evolution for quite some time now, and already I’ve been seeing many who are dismissing them to be clever fakes, despite the fact that they’re mysteriously been taken down one-by-one on Google. Yes of course the pictures are still there on the browser, but that does not mean that the possibility is false. Mainly, it is other sites that are curious enough of revealing the leaks, posting it back onto the internet. Perhaps if we keep this up, The Pokemon Company would then have no choice but to reveal the Pokemon to us, rather than just waiting for the game to come out, just like many of the past gen games.

    Now, by looking at these ‘Confidential’ reference sheets first hand, I can tell that this is ‘not’ drawn by the very man himself, Ken Sugimori. But instead by the many artists who work with him at the Pokemon Company. What they did is planned for the theme to what the Pokemon would be, which was leaked by the Chinese and European leak of being Archer/Wrestler/Siren, draw and sketch of what they would be like and act like for both game and anime before putting it as the final reference sheet. Meaning that although these reference sheets are just sketches, they could be final design that is accepted, and is ready to be drawn onto it’s final and cleaner reference sheet. Not only that, but their names ‘Robinroot’,’Panthster’ and ‘Entamaid’ are also a clue to what they would become, and these was leaked last year in 2015.

    Now, I know some people would tell me that the Chinese and European leaks were just coincidental guesses, and that especially the European one lied about the announcements and the reveal of two new pokemon that were never shown, but that does not mean that they are not real. We’ve still four months and a couple more Pokemon to show before the actual game finally comes out. In fact, the Copybara and the Gorilla Pokemon, which might be linked to the Rugby Pokemon in the Chinese leak, might have some truth to it than just plain guesses. Like for example, Copybara was described of being a very unusual and strange looking shaped Pokemon. Now look at this with the Dolphin Pokemon pokejungle.net/wp-content/uplo… And these from what I’ve been told was posted on a Japanese website that is reliable with leaking CoroCoro comics. They especially showed Rowlet’s possible mid evolution, that seems to fit the similar evolution path design to Piplup-Prinplup-Empoleon’s pokejungle.net/wp-content/uplo… . At first I thought it was Rowlet, whilst the other two were pokemon yet to be revealed, until the real Rowlet was revealed, and when by chance finding this, along with these fake leaks, later realising that these leaks have their own mid evolution fakes, and at the same time found the possible final evolutions. I did a comparison and, surprise surprise it seems like a perfect match.

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    The fake Pokemon that you see in this link res.cloudinary.com/lmn/image/u… to where I’ve found Rowlet’s mid evolution’s full body, I didn’t personally believe them to be real. For start, Rowlet’s, Litten’s and Popplio’s looked completely wrong! Litten’s looked like a real panther inspired by a cannon, Popplio looked more like a fake final evolution of Oshawatt, and Rowlet’s look too human, rather than owl-like, like what Game Freak would normally do with designing the starters in the past. The artist that did these leaks probably did this based on the code hacking on the Japanese Pokemon website to discover the typing, like ‘Grass,Flying,Ground,Fire,Water,Fighting’. Now it would be completely odd for Rowlet to go from Grass/Flying to Grass/Ground and Litten to have no second typing at the same time , not with how the new Pokemon games have the starters always having a second typing with their final evolution. Chances are that these leaked typings are more for the unannounced Pokemon, rather than the starters themselves, mangled like that due to a complicated computer system. It might also be Game Freaks way of getting impatient fans off their trail. Another thing to note about these fakes, and how you can tell that they are fakes, is that if you look at the past starters, the Grass Types seem to be based on Prehistoric animals, Fire Types on the Chinese Zodiac and martial arts, and Water Types being based on weapons. These final evolution fakes don’t seem to fit the bill. Rowlet a hooded Assassins Creed knockoff, Litten becoming a cannon and Popplio hurling water-bombs seems very unpractical for Game Freak to think up. Whilst the possible evolution above seem to make more sense by not only fitting the jigsaw pieces surprisingly well, but also being original and unique to Game Freak’s own vision, as seen here. For example, Rowlet’s final evolution, Robinroot is inspired on the prehistoric giant eagle, Haast’s Eagle. Litten’s final evolution, Panthster is obviously inspired by the Tiger Zodiac and the Tiger Martial arts. It is also inspired by one of Ken Sugimori’s favorite anime shows, ‘Tiger Mask’, like many other pokemon who were inspired by other anime series, such as Shinx is inspired by ‘Kimba the White Lion’ and Serperior by ‘Roses of Versailles’. And finally Popplio’s final evolution, Entamaid, which for a Mermaid, you might think it’s odd for it to be inspired by a weapon. Well like the other past water starters, you just have to look at it very closely. If you look at it’s hip and tail, you might see it in the shape of a spiked club. Indicating that these Pokemon are a perfect match, as seen here.

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    Another thing to note is that the fake final evolution have Reference Sheets, only there are no writing, nor ‘confidential’ stamp for them. There are also some art for their Mega Evolutions to which I see them being more fake, because like what’s hinted the Chinese and European leaks, the Japanese trailer showed the trainer’s diamonds on the bracelet being used to increase the Pokemon’s ability and type in battle. There is no indication of there being Mega Stones or Mega Evolutions for this game, meaning that they could may as well be one off gimmicks for the 6th Gen, just as these diamonds are for the 7th Gen.

    You’ve also come to notice, when comparing the reference sheets for the supposed final evolution with Rowlet’ Litten and Popplio, you notice that they both share the same attacks, like Rowlet fires it’s feathers like arrows, similar to how Robinroot would, using it’s feathers that have now become true arrows, being fired from it’s own bow made by it’s wing holding down it’s hood string. Litten spitting fire hairballs is carried over to Panthster, as a way of showing how tough and bad it really is. And Popplio shooting bubbles from it’s nose, would then be shot from Entermaid’s shampoo-like hair.

    You also notice that in Panthster’s reference sheet, it has the sketches of Panthster lazily fast asleep whilst Ash and Pikachu look very annoyingly down at it, Rowlet sat fast asleep on it’s chest, and Popplio and the new female companion watch the kettle that they’ve placed on it’s belt to boil. Another picture shows Panthster throwing a table with the mic at Pikachu in a pro wrestling fashion. From what I could gather, Panthster could undoubtedly be Ash’s, evolving later on in the new series of Sun and Moon from Litten, and end up acting just like the disobedient Charizard in the Original series 20 years ago. The female trainer would have Popplio for being a favourite for female trainers, whilst Ash would have Rowlet and Litten, later to quickly evolve into Panthster, whilst Popplio and Rowlet prefer either not to evolve, or won’t evolve till much later. Now I know this sounds far too soon, even from this sketch when Sun and Moon hasn’t even been released yet.

    Well to fully understand this, we must understand the true workings of The Pokemon Company, starting with their past works. If you would’ve looked back at the original series, midway through the 1st Gen part, you might have seen the 2nd Gen Pokemon Ho-oh, Togepi, Donphan and marill. In midway of 2nd Gen, you see the 3rd Gen Pokemon Kecleon and Blaziken. Then near part way of 3rd Gen, you begin to see 4th Gen Pokemon, before not showing any new Pokemon throughout 4th Gen at all, until the Zoroark film, showcasing the first 5th Gen Pokemon. Now, if you would’ve noticed from the first Pokemon Black and White movie, the setting itself is based on key locations in France. However the inspirational settings for the film is not the only thing the creators have come to France for, as you would finally come to see as the main region setting for the 6th Gen Pokemon game, Pokemon X and Y. You notice also that in that very game, there is an Easter egg with a traveller giving the player a Tiki statue, telling them that this statue came from a region not explored yet, thus leading to where we are now with the 7th Gen game.

    Now, if we can add up the clues, such as the tiki doll, the creator’s trip to France when Black and White was just being released, and some new gen Pokemon being revealed very soon in the previous Gen anime. You begin to see that the next gen Pokemon games and anime have been on the drawing board before the last gen Pokemon game and anime was released, and thus would mean that they had a 3 year long plan to produce, scribble, discuss and create ideas for not just the new gen Pokemon game, but for the anime as well. Not to mention the extra games and/or possibly remakes of their old games. It’s like planning a box office movie through a long period of time, they don’t rush things, nor is it like snapping your fingers. The anime, like the game and movies, has to have a beginning, a middle, and an end. By now, the creators of Pokemon have all but completed the very story arc for Pokemon Sun and Moon that will soon be released to us this November, and are probably at this moment in time, working on the 8th Gen for the next 3 years or so down the line.

    Another thing to note, is that I’ve seen reference sheets for Ash, Pikachu and Iris for Black and White way before the release of Pokemon Black and White. It also has the mid evolutions of Snivy and Oshawatt, to which I then see again in leaks with their final evolutions, along with Tepig’s mid and final evolutions, indicating to me that they are real and not fake as many would think of them of being. Since then, I’ve now had an eye for Pokemon’s leaks, and now with these leaks, I can finally conclude that these sheets are indeed, 90% real. with 10% meaning that they are not the final reference sheets, but the final before the final.

    Please write down to what you think, I’d like to know. As for me, I personally love all three of the final evolutions, regardless to what the fans may think of it, and have high hopes to them being as real as you may think they are.

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  153. Please. I BEG YOU. DO NOT TURN LITTEN INTO A FIRE/FIGHTING. And also, with the currently released pokemon, I think the rumor is legit. There’s also Mallow over there with Ash. I think this will be legit. Hopefully.

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