As the Pokémon Sun and Moon datamine continues, miners have made a list of allowed Pokémon for the upcoming 2016/2017 VGC season.
| Allowed Pokémon | Banned Pokémon |
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**Additionally, mega stones will not be permitted in the 2016/2017 season.
What do you think about this meta? How many of your Pokémon will be illegible? Let us know in the comments!
So yah if there was any doubt that Necrozoma was not the third legendary here you go….
Lol, UBs are allowed.
VGC is as much advertisement as anything else. Never forget it..
welp. Pheromosa is the new Deoxys
I must say thats not a lot to work with…. I would have liked some more pokemon tbh but I guess it is what it is..
i lowkey like the limitation. This changes the meta alot
That’s very true… OP pokemon aren’t up for grabs this time…
yep no more primal groudon or kyogre
True… But I’d still prefer a little more pokemon to work with. Some like Mamoswine, Scolipede, etc…
Well it’s just the Alola Dex minus certain legends. Though the Kalos dex was a solid 100 Pokemon wider. Wonder why they cut it down.
I know… This is the 20th anniversary games, so I would think they would give us a grand amount of pokemon…
Terrain x Weather wars!!
Wooo pheromosa and xurkitree
lmao this is why I dont like VGC or Smogon formats. With all that sleep clause and swagger clause and now, the banned pokemon more than the allowed ones? yeah I’ll stick to casual online battles
If you think Sleep Clause is bad, you should probably go fight a spore abuser in Battle Spot.
I’ve only seen mega mewtwos and charizard in battlespot, I think I’ll be fine plus I have a Meganium with aromatherapy anyway.
Go on ranked battlespot (when it gets back online, BTW, since there’s no more ranked in gen 6) and you won’t see mewtwo, and more focused strategies, particularly as you score even higher.
Eventually you will wish clauses (other than mythical/box legends clause) existed like in Stadium or Pokemon Battle Revolution. Heh heh heh.
Still so much better than seeing the same thing over and over again. With do any Pokemon now available, limited formats are the only way to make the game fun.
Well that’s certainly a lot of Pokemon excluded from the VGC lol I guess people will have to rely on Pokemon that aren’t typically common. At least the Kami trio are out and the Weather trio are out too. People will have to start coming up with more interesting teams than relying on the same old same old. That’s a good thing I think. lol
Yeah, the meta will be pretty interesting for the first, let’s be generous, four months. After that big six will be established and common knowledge and it will break down to big six and anti big six like it always does.
(Giggles evilly) no ferrothorn or Heatran? I like this new meta
Also, Necrozma proof is real
I feel like this just confirms necrozma as being a legendary and not an ultra beast
Welp, I’ll be sticking to Smogon and similar stuff, thank you very much. I was worried for a moment but then I realised I never played VGC so why should I even care? I’m kind of sorry they’ve limited the availability pool so much though, it’s pretty shitty.
Why be sorry? It’s for one year. Makes things interesting. And it’s not like people can’t play VGC and Smogon if they want a different pool of Pokémon.
Fair enough, but I’d be really frustrated if I couldn’t use a lot of my favourites from previous regions in official settings. I think heavily limited choice sets can be really fun, but should be limited to seasonal competitions as they have been in the past. As you say though it’s only a year, and frankly it’ll probably be more interesting than watching teams dominated by primals and megas rayquaza…
The dex limitation is basically Alola dex.
Do you remember VGC ’14, which is Kalos dex? That was one of the best metagames ever, honestly. It’s the one with the Pachirisu world champion.
Yeah, I’m not particularly surprised as they did this last gen, but the dex is smaller than last time, and it kinda clashes with the 20 year celebration shindig IMO. In any case it’ll be better than this year’s facepalm format choices.
VGC ’17 is part of the 21st, technically.
VGC ’16, a.k.a. Primals meta, is the 20th celebration.
I messed up hold on
I LOOK AMAZING https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/29b7fdb10b3d71cc20eecfbd372b8eca5f36814788525f6ac41d6805af277520.jpg
Can guys have long hair? Also un-related but do you know where the Move Re-learner is? Like how far in not exact location.
I’d like to know this as well. Long hair for me!
Pretty sure Pharap would really like to know too.
I can tell!!!
The hair styles are
There’s the starting hair, a more flat version of it, a braid one, a Ceaser cut and a modern quiff
That’s somewhat disappointing :/
No theres no long hair only rlly short and shit ones – Imo the default hairstyle (On the guy) is the best one by far.
They have loads of NPC males with long hair, sure it usually sticking up but c’mon (ノಠ益ಠ)ノ彡┻━┻
I expect top teams will run Toxapex.
Almost definitely
Especially with the more limited options it will dominate. I also expect a lot of Tapu Lele or Bulu.
Pretty much
Which also means a ton of Toxapex counters, anything that can’t be poisoned or enjoys regular poison (Guts users etc). It will be interesting to see what people come up with to shut it down. Taunt would be quite devastating for it I imagine.
Oh god XD
Steel types will terrify it
Probably be the UB’s and stuff like Magnezone.
Yep , pretty much
SCOOB?! https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/bf34fb9fb97de297662e4c2f4b07f1ca84ac3e3ae4d6b8d968bf708ace0be03b.jpg
He’s Shaggy’s soul, after he was killed by the newly released from prison 10,000 Volt Ghost out for revenge.
XD why… why did this game feel the need to do this
Backstory Easter egg, many players won’t understand how dark Rotomdex’s beginnings were.
Oh my god XD
Those of us who know will forgive him if he starts getting really annoying. Those who don’t occasionally get annoyed by him are likely children who no longer know who he was in his former life.
Is this an emulator or something?
Yep, using CITRA to play moon
https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/d1fdd52226c1d66d3d84d2e73534da4c533f7f97d75506d94ed512379c2fecc3.jpg THE EDGE
If it’s possible to spoiler tag these images, it would be great if you could.
I forgot to spoiler tag these particular ones
Cool, looks properly hidden now.
Yep
I don’t believe you can spoiler tag images, it doesn’t do anything when you don’t use hide media iirc
Fortunately we can on disqus, and it works properly.
Note that edited posts aren’t updated until the entire disqus (by selecting best/newest/oldest to toggle) or page is reloaded.
thanks for the spoilers
Anyone knows if there’s a rainy place in Alola to evolve Sliggoo? Considering using a Goodra.
It’s evolution method has changed, it now evolves by the tears of Alolan Meowth after they realise what they have to evolve into.
bruh lmao
Can’t wait for Tail Glow Xurkitree oh boy
Also if you guys didn’t know, Water Bubble (The ability on Araquanid) doubles the base power of water moves, as well as preventing burns.
I thought it just halved Fire move power?
Nope, it apparently doubles water moves’ base power as well.
Gives Liquidation 170 base power.
Sweet im thinking of doing a assult vest set
Seems too OP, Entrainment this to Golisopod (first that came to mind) would be quite amazing.
WAIT WHAAAAAAT?!?!?!? ALONG WITH THE FIRE RESIST?!
Yep. Someone posted a video of SE Crunch and Liquidation doing the same amount of damage on a Drifblim.
…THATS FREAKING BUSTED
Crunch isn’t STAB on Araquanid, though.
Crunch is super effective
…and Water from Araquanid has Same-Type Attack Bonus.
Either way, Water Bubble still boosts the power of water moves.
Just not doubled. More like Adaptability’s bonus (makes STAB 2x instead of 1.5x) which is ~33% improvement.
Just watched the video and calced adaptability… it really is double…. like it even seems to do more than an adaptability boost, like adapt only makes it out DAMAGE crunch by a little… here though…
I mean, it still “doubles” the power of the water moves. As long as Araquanid’s type doesn’t change.
i understand that your post was a week ago, but this is more to clear it up for anyone else who hasn’t seen it yet, but according to Serebii, it doubles the moves power BEFORE STAB takes place.
Still… it was to a Drifblim , and via calcs, Crunch does more on a min roll than Liquidation would do on a max roll
So that’s the proof
SE is 2x, STAB is 1.5x; Crunch gets SE but no STAB (Bug/Water), Araquanid gets STAB on Liquidation.
So it only means Water Bubble boosts Liquidation as if it had Adaptability, ~33% boost. Not doubled.
Still!! That’s insane!!! It has three Abilities in one!!
Well I’m still gonna agree it’s insane. 🙂
Apparently most sources say double… I haven’t seen the vid yet
IM JUST SO HAPPY MY SPIDER BABY IS GOOD!!!! <3
They just forgot to compute same-type attack boost. 🙂
Some did
If it’s actually double.. I will die of happiness
…are you… I … … WHAT DO I EVEN SAY TO THIS https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/d1cdbf05ffcf1f4cf2ef5733397f8b783c94c625fee62b70530baed22e4e2b8f.jpg
I’m going to have so much fun with this lmao
XD I feel wrong
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“I don’t understand! Kindly explain what you mean.”
…is the appropriate thing to say.
True
I’m thinking of doing a Water Mono at one point… Almost all the water types are really solid (sorry pyukumuku)
But Pyukumuku is a tank so it is solid 😉
Not with that health stat.
Shuckle hp stat is 20 bruh
Shuckle has 230 Defense and Special Defense. Pyukumuku has 100 less.
With that move set with its abillity? Nah, never
Really looking forward to the new competitive scene
I KNEW ARAQUANID WAS GOOD FROM THE START!! I GOT SO MUCH FLAK FOR IT BUT I WAS RIGHT!! 😀
It gets Entrainment too, could be great in doubles.
I know :3
I’m so glad it’s good!
I feel like catching and using it but I have arachnophobia….
🙁 but he’s so worth
Anyone know whether Dewpider is found in the grass or in the water?
Water I think, the team builder suggests to me it’s the same as Mareanie.
Hmmmm
I hate my mind sometimes… https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/7df3122b9d8930e8615f6bbc2b98922ae9869dee55f73dd40ba9e02d849a7a26.jpg
Alola confirmed for Kalos 2.0 in terms of innuendo.
Yeah XD
This is Prof.Kukui right?
Possible?
I mean maybe the game gives (text/dialog) clues that it could be Kukui, but it’s very hard to tell from one screenshot.
Whoops
It’s Kukui, the game expects it to be obvious (given that when you meet him there’s an option to say “professor?”
I didn’t watch the dialog I just judge this pic.
Sorry if that came off rude, I mean it’s obvious when you play the game
I didn’t play the game….Actually I didn’t have 3ds yet.
whell kukui whent to the school of lucha lebre.
I’m literally dying… my phone literally registers John Cena and Gladion as the same person…
This is gonna be a good VGC.
No Aegislash, Landorus, Amoongus, Heatran…and a bunch more.
But those UBs though…
No CHALK. No Primals. No Ubers. No Mega Mawile. No Mega Mence. No Mega Kanga (still a beast at 1.25x.) Thunder Wave and Paralysis nerfed. Talonflame nerfed to hell…
Those UBs yeah. Also we may need to wear sunglasses watching/playing VGC because of all the terrains!
I wish the Dex was at at least 400-450, 300 seems way too less. But it should work.
No Ludocolo and Kingdra for rain abuse either.
Yeh, I imagine most strategies will revolve around the Tapus and their terrains.
We’ll see. Kalos Dex was diverse enough, almost any Pokemon can do well.
I think hail, or at least Alolan Ninetales, will have a presence here.
Hail+Aurora Veil+Tapu Lele to protect A. Nintetales from Bullet Punch might be happening.
Rain Teams might be a thing though! Politoed is available, Araquanid and Toxapex and Scizor might appear. Tapu Fini to cancel Psychic Terrain so Scizor can Bullet Punch people left and right. Lanturn for Thunder.
I’m betting that Drizzle Pelipper with access to U-Turn, Hurricane, and Roost are more popular than Politoed.
Possible… but Politoed doesn’t have a 4x weakness. And this is the gen where staying on the ground might be a positive this time.
Still, Pelipper might be a not half bad option to consider for a non-terrain rain team and if not using Mantine. Or even both on a team since there’s a chance rain needs to be reset. (Opponent switches in Ninetales to remove rain, but Pelipper U-Turns to Politoed who puts the rain back.)
NO FERROTHOOOORRRRN 😀
I’m wondering, when it says things like “Rattata” does it mean both kinds?
As in Alolan forms and Regular Forms?
You can’t obtain Regular Rattata in the game at all, and iirc it needs to come from a copy of Sun and Moon so most likely you won’t be able to use Regulars
Ok but, consider when Bank is useable. If you transfer a Rattata and then Breed it, the egg will Hatch in Alola. Will THAT be Legal?
Obviously regular Raichu, Exeggutor and Marowak will be unobtainable.
Well as you’ve shown in the above method, regular (“Kanto”) formes can be bred in Alola now. I now wonder about the legality of that, because I can see competitive uses for non-Alolan Raichu.
Well yeah but the response was made before we knew that was a thing
And its still possible to ban Non Alolans, but I doubt it
I doubt they will make a complex ban like that, so I expect to see non-Alolans if they might perform better in teams (e.g. Drought Ninetales, post-bank)
Breeding a Non-Alolan with an Everstone will result in a Non-Alolan
https://twitter.com/KazoWAR/status/798036010764353536
Guess it stops both kinds of evolution, Darwinian and Pokémon.
I was just about to make a comment about this. Very happy about this! Now if only there is a way to obtain normal Raichu, Exeggutor, and Marowak.
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I’m not a competitive player so… meh
What?… What!… No no no no no
UB’s
Tapu’s
Should not be allowed
Yet then again Yes, No M-Kangaskahn and such
Why not. Most legendary pokemon are legal since their stats aren’t brokenly high. It was kind of assumed they would be legal once we knew their stats.
You actually are right IMO now I love this format
Actually, this gen is pretty balanced TBH.
The only real “quickban worthy” mons are Kartana and Pheramosa
The rest are either fair or already banned
Honestly I would probably knock Pheramosa off the ban worthy list as well given his terrible defensive stats. It might be strong and fast, but it seems all but guaranteed to be OHKO’ed by nearly anything in competitive play, and honestly given this generation’s favoring bulk over speed, it might honestly struggle in VGC.
I only listed Phero cause… well.., why does the damn thing get Quicer Dance
I’m also guessing Baton Pass Xurkitree will be banned too (or at least I REALLY hope so)
Karatana is a rough type match up for my tentative team. It single handedly is causing me to consider running Nature’s Madness / Tapu-Z on my Tapu Koko. Well that and Metagross.
Actually after taking another peak at Kartana’s SpDef… lol Yea that won’t be a problem.
What?! Azumaril and Diancie aren’t allowed?! How dare you GF! I wish you to lose your freedom of speech as a result, you cant’ be kidding! What censoring hogs.
I’m actually really glad Diancie isn’t… considering it’s recent buffs mega diancie would… well… be absolutely terrifying
Wait is this for the tournament r for the actual games? Please tell me it’s for a tournament because if it’s for the actual Sun/Moon I’m going to die.
Why would it be for SuMo. These are 2017 VGC rules
You won’t be able to get Diancie in SuMo until Bank is available anyway
Oh, ok. I thought this was for the actual game but then I realized “wait a second, the mascot legendaries are BANNED?!”
Good fucking riddance
This is supposed to be a new region
Not just use old stuff because it works region for wusses
The thing is though
A) It actually allows the Pokémon in the game to shine (Alola Dex, Alola Forms and Alolan Pokémon)
B) I’d argue Diancie and Azumarill are more censoring than GameFreak ever are
Oh never mind I thought it was for the actual game, not the VGC tournament.
Mythicals have never been legal in VGC anyway? So Diancie was never in the cards. And when Azumaril wasn’t in the Alolan Dex that was sorta the nail in that coffin.
What about the National Dex?
What about it?
So if we bring in Pokemon thats not included in th Alola dex…..what happens?
Nothing? GF, as they always do at the start of new generations, is making the regional dex the format for VGC. It effects no one other than people who want to play VGC. You can transfer over Diancie and Azumaril to SuMo when Bank opens. That has nothing to do with VGC.
National Dex doesn’t exist in this game, I know, weird.
Uh oh…
Does anyone know when you get an Adrenaline Orb in the game?
First Island.
Not sure when you can buy it, but I got it as an item in the overworld
Fun Fact.
Adrenaline Orb raises the speed of a pokemon if it’s intimadated.
I do like how it’s two functions in one rather than cluttering the bag with more items
EDIT: Also, thanks!
I saw one on the second island route 4
https://youtu.be/xguGMeEWhhs
New Trailer.
Umm those Diglett and Dugtrio’s pictures looked fake to me
I have a few questions about Trainer Customization for those who got the *ahem* “early access” game.
Is it possible for a male trainer to be shirtless? I personally prefer being shirtless myself, and when I saw the male trainer battling the Trial Wishiwashi school form in one of the trailers, I noticed he was shirtless but had the pokeride vest on for surfing and I couldn’t help but be hopeful. I was also wondering, are sandals or flip flops possible? And, finally, can I cosplay as Team Skull?
Anyone going to the VGC in London 9th-11th December?
UBs and Tapus are gonna dominate the meta I’m guessing. People might build their teams around Terrains sort of like Trick Room or Weather teams.
aww they let the UBs be in the tournaments……damn lol
their base stats are pretty high
Their BSTs aren’t that high but the distributions on some of them are insane.
So what about Island Scan pokemon? They are caught legally in Alola…