As the Pokémon Sun and Moon datamine continues, miners have made a list of allowed Pokémon for the upcoming 2016/2017 VGC season.

Allowed Pokémon Banned Pokémon
  • Caterpie
  • Metapod
  • Butterfree
  • Rattata
  • Raticate
  • Spearow
  • Fearow
  • Pikachu
  • Raichu
  • Sandshrew
  • Sandslash
  • Clefairy
  • Clefable
  • Vulpix
  • Ninetales
  • Jigglypuff
  • Wigglytuff
  • Zubat
  • Golbat
  • Paras
  • Parasect
  • Diglett
  • Dugtrio
  • Meowth
  • Persian
  • Psyduck
  • Golduck
  • Mankey
  • Primeape
  • Growlithe
  • Arcanine
  • Poliwag
  • Poliwhirl
  • Poliwrath
  • Abra
  • Kadabra
  • Alakazam
  • Machop
  • Machoke
  • Machamp
  • Tentacool
  • Tentacruel
  • Geodude
  • Graveler
  • Golem
  • Slowpoke
  • Slowbro
  • Magnemite
  • Magneton
  • Grimer
  • Muk
  • Shellder
  • Cloyster
  • Gastly
  • Haunter
  • Gengar
  • Drowzee
  • Hypno
  • Exeggcute
  • Exeggutor
  • Cubone
  • Marowak
  • Chansey
  • Kangaskhan
  • Goldeen
  • Seaking
  • Staryu
  • Starmie
  • Scyther
  • Electabuzz
  • Magmar
  • Pinsir
  • Tauros
  • Magikarp
  • Gyarados
  • Lapras
  • Ditto
  • Eevee
  • Vaporeon
  • Jolteon
  • Flareon
  • Porygon
  • Aerodactyl
  • Snorlax
  • Dratini
  • Dragonair
  • Dragonite
  • Ledyba
  • Ledian
  • Spinarak
  • Ariados
  • Crobat
  • Chinchou
  • Lanturn
  • Pichu
  • Cleffa
  • Igglybuff
  • Sudowoodo
  • Politoed
  • Espeon
  • Umbreon
  • Murkrow
  • Slowking
  • Misdreavus
  • Snubbull
  • Granbull
  • Scizor
  • Sneasel
  • Corsola
  • Delibird
  • Skarmory
  • Porygon2
  • Smeargle
  • Elekid
  • Magby
  • Miltank
  • Blissey
  • Wingull
  • Pelipper
  • Surskit
  • Masquerain
  • Makuhita
  • Hariyama
  • Nosepass
  • Sableye
  • Carvanha
  • Sharpedo
  • Wailmer
  • Wailord
  • Torkoal
  • Spinda
  • Trapinch
  • Vibrava
  • Flygon
  • Barboach
  • Whiscash
  • Feebas
  • Milotic
  • Castform
  • Absol
  • Snorunt
  • Glalie
  • Relicanth
  • Luvdisc
  • Bagon
  • Shelgon
  • Salamence
  • Beldum
  • Metang
  • Metagross
  • Cranidos
  • Rampardos
  • Shieldon
  • Bastiodon
  • Shellos
  • Gastrodon
  • Drifloon
  • Drifblim
  • Mismagius
  • Honchkrow
  • Bonsly
  • Happiny
  • Gible
  • Gabite
  • Garchomp
  • Munchlax
  • Riolu
  • Lucario
  • Finneon
  • Lumineon
  • Weavile
  • Magnezone
  • Electivire
  • Magmortar
  • Leafeon
  • Glaceon
  • Porygon-Z
  • Probopass
  • Froslass
  • Lillipup
  • Herdier
  • Stoutland
  • Roggenrola
  • Boldore
  • Gigalith
  • Cottonee
  • Whimsicott
  • Petilil
  • Lilligant
  • Sandile
  • Krokorok
  • Krookodile
  • Tirtouga
  • Carracosta
  • Archen
  • Archeops
  • Trubbish
  • Garbodor
  • Vanillite
  • Vanillish
  • Vanilluxe
  • Emolga
  • Alomomola
  • Rufflet
  • Braviary
  • Vullaby
  • Mandibuzz
  • Fletchling
  • Fletchinder
  • Talonflame
  • Pancham
  • Pangoro
  • Sylveon
  • Carbink
  • Goomy
  • Sliggoo
  • Goodra
  • Klefki
  • Phantump
  • Trevenant
  • Rowlet
  • Dartrix
  • Decidueye
  • Litten
  • Torracat
  • Incineroar
  • Popplio
  • Brionne
  • Primarina
  • Pikipek
  • Trumbeak
  • Toucannon
  • Yungoos
  • Gumshoos
  • Grubbin
  • Charjabug
  • Vikavolt
  • Crabrawler
  • Crabominable
  • Oricorio
  • Cutiefly
  • Ribombee
  • Rockruff
  • Lycanroc
  • Wishiwashi
  • Mareanie
  • Toxapex
  • Mudbray
  • Mudsdale
  • Dewpider
  • Araquanid
  • Fomantis
  • Lurantis
  • Morelull
  • Shiinotic
  • Salandit
  • Salazzle
  • Stufful
  • Bewear
  • Bounsweet
  • Steenee
  • Tsareena
  • Comfey
  • Oranguru
  • Passimian
  • Wimpod
  • Golisopod
  • Sandygast
  • Palossand
  • Pyukumuku
  • Type: Null
  • Silvally
  • Minior
  • Komala
  • Turtonator
  • Togedemaru
  • Mimikyu
  • Bruxish
  • Drampa
  • Dhelmise
  • Jangmo-o
  • Hakamo-o
  • Kommo-o
  • Tapu Koko
  • Tapu Lele
  • Tapu Bulu
  • Tapu Fini
  • Nihilego
  • Buzzwole
  • Pheromosa
  • Xurkitree
  • Celesteela
  • Kartana
  • Guzzlord
  • Bulbasaur
  • Ivysaur
  • Venusaur
  • Charmander
  • Charmeleon
  • Charizard
  • Squirtle
  • Wartortle
  • Blastoise
  • Weedle
  • Kakuna
  • Beedrill
  • Pidgey
  • Pidgeotto
  • Pidgeot
  • Ekans
  • Arbok
  • Nidoran-F
  • Nidorina
  • Nidoqueen
  • Nidoran-M
  • Nidorino
  • Nidoking
  • Oddish
  • Gloom
  • Vileplume
  • Bellsprout
  • Weepinbell
  • Victreebell
  • Ponyta
  • Rapidash
  • Farfetch’d
  • Doduo
  • Dodrio
  • Seel
  • Dewong
  • Onix
  • Krabby
  • Kingler
  • Voltorb
  • Electrode
  • Hitmonlee
  • Hitmonchan
  • Lickitung
  • Koffing
  • Weezing
  • Rhyhorn
  • Rhydon
  • Tangela
  • Horsea
  • Seadra
  • Mr. Mime
  • Jynx
  • Omanyte
  • Omastar
  • Kabuto
  • Kabutops
  • Articuno
  • Zadpos
  • Moltres
  • Mewtwo
  • Mew
  • Chikorita
  • Bayleef
  • Meganium
  • Cyndaquil
  • Quilava
  • Typhlosion
  • Totodile
  • Croconaw
  • Feraligatr
  • Sentret
  • Furret
  • Hoothoot
  • Noctowl
  • Togepi
  • Togetic
  • Natu
  • Xatu
  • Mareep
  • Flaafy
  • Ampharos
  • Bellossom
  • Marill
  • Azumarill
  • Hoppip
  • Skiploom
  • Jumpluff
  • Aipom
  • Sunkern
  • Sunflora
  • Yanma
  • Wooper
  • Quagsire
  • Unown
  • Wobbuffet
  • Girafarig
  • Pineco
  • Forretress
  • Dunsparce
  • Gligar
  • Steelix
  • Qwilfish
  • Shuckle
  • Heracross
  • Teddirusa
  • Ursaring
  • Slugma
  • Magcargo
  • Swinub
  • Piloswine
  • Remoraid
  • Octillery
  • Mantine
  • Houndour
  • Houndoom
  • Kingdra
  • Phanpy
  • Donphan
  • Stantler
  • Tyrogue
  • Hitmontop
  • Smoochum
  • Raikou
  • Entei
  • Suicune
  • Larvitar
  • Pupitar
  • Tyranitar
  • Lugia
  • Ho-oh
  • Celebi
  • Treeko
  • Grovyle
  • Sceptile
  • Torchic
  • Combusken
  • Blaaziken
  • Mudkip
  • Marshtomp
  • Swampert
  • Poochyena
  • Mightyena
  • Zigzagoon
  • Linnone
  • Wurmple
  • Silcoon
  • Beautifly
  • Cascoon
  • Dustox
  • Lotad
  • Lombre
  • Ludicolo
  • Seedot
  • Nuzleaf
  • Shftry
  • Taillow
  • Swellow
  • Ralts
  • Kirlia
  • Gardevior
  • Shroomish
  • Breloom
  • Slakoth
  • Vigoroth
  • Slaking
  • Nincada
  • Ninjask
  • Shedinja
  • Whismur
  • Loudred
  • Exploud
  • Azurill
  • Skitty
  • Delcatty
  • Mawile
  • Aron
  • Lairon
  • Aggron
  • Meditite
  • Medicham
  • Electrie
  • Manetric
  • Plusle
  • Minun
  • Volbeat
  • Illumise
  • Roselia
  • Gulpin
  • Swalot
  • Numel
  • Camerupt
  • Spoink
  • Grumpig
  • Cacnea
  • Cacturne
  • Swablu
  • Altarian
  • Zangoose
  • Seviper
  • Lunatone
  • Solrock
  • Corphish
  • Crawdaunt
  • Baltoy
  • Claydol
  • Lileep
  • Cradily
  • Anorith
  • Armaldo
  • Kecleon
  • Shuppet
  • Banette
  • Duskull
  • Dusclops
  • Tropius
  • Chimeco
  • Wynaut
  • Spheal
  • Sealeo
  • Walrein
  • Clamperl
  • Huntail
  • Gorebyss
  • Regirock
  • Regice
  • Registeel
  • Latias
  • Latios
  • Kyogre
  • Groudon
  • Rayquaza
  • Jirachi
  • Deoxys
  • Turtwig
  • Grotle
  • Torterra
  • Chimchar
  • Monferno
  • Infernape
  • Piplup
  • Prinplup
  • Empoleon
  • Starly
  • Staravia
  • Staraptor
  • Bidoof
  • Bibarel
  • Krickeot
  • Kricketune
  • Shinx
  • Luxio
  • Luxray
  • Budew
  • Roserade
  • Burmy
  • Wormadam
  • Mothim
  • Combee
  • Vespiquen
  • Pachirisu
  • Buizel
  • Floatzel
  • Cherubi
  • Cherrim
  • Ambipom
  • Buneary
  • Lopunny
  • Glameow
  • Purugly
  • Chingling
  • Stunky
  • Stuntank
  • Bronzor
  • Brongzong
  • Mime Jr.
  • Chatot
  • Spiritomb
  • Hippopotas
  • Hippowdon
  • Skorupi
  • Drapion
  • Croagunk
  • Toxicroak
  • Carnivine
  • Mantyke
  • Snver
  • Abomasnow
  • Lickilicky
  • Rhyperior
  • Tangrowth
  • Togekiss
  • Yanmega
  • Gliscor
  • Mamoswine
  • Dusknoir
  • Rotom
  • Uxie
  • Mesprit
  • Azelf
  • Dialga
  • Palkia
  • Heatran
  • Regigigas
  • Giratina
  • Cresselia
  • Phione
  • Manaphy
  • Darkrai
  • Shaymin
  • Arceus
  • Victini
  • Snivy
  • Servine
  • Serperior
  • Tepig
  • Pignote
  • Emboar
  • Oshawott
  • Dewott
  • Samurott
  • Patrat
  • Watchog
  • Purrloin
  • Liepard
  • Pansage
  • Simisage
  • Pansear
  • Simisear
  • Panpour
  • Simpour
  • Munna
  • Musharna
  • Pidove
  • Tranquill
  • Unfezant
  • Blitzle
  • Zebstrika
  • Woobat
  • Swoobat
  • Drilbur
  • Excadrill
  • Audino
  • Timburr
  • Gurdurr
  • Conkeldurr
  • Tympole
  • Palpitoad
  • Seismtoad
  • Throh
  • Sawk
  • Sewaddle
  • Swadloon
  • Leavanny
  • Venipede
  • Scolipede
  • Basculin
  • Darumaka
  • Darmanitan
  • Maractus
  • Dwebble
  • Crustle
  • Scraggy
  • Sigilyph
  • Yamask
  • Cofagrigus
  • Zorua
  • Zoroark
  • Minccino
  • Cinccino
  • Gothita
  • Gothorita
  • Gothitelle
  • Solosis
  • Duosion
  • Ducklett
  • Swanna
  • Deerlig
  • Sawsbuck
  • Karrablast
  • Escavalier
  • Foongus
  • Amoongus
  • Frillish
  • Jellicent
  • Ferrosed
  • Ferrothorn
  • Klink
  • Klang
  • Klinklang
  • Tynamo
  • Eeletrik
  • Eelektross
  • Elgyem
  • Beheeyem
  • Litwick
  • Lampent
  • Chandelure
  • Axew
  • Fraxure
  • Haxorus
  • Cubchoo
  • Beartic
  • Cryogonal
  • Shelmet
  • Accelgor
  • Stunfisk
  • Miefoo
  • Mienshao
  • Druddigon
  • Golett
  • Golurk
  • Pawniard
  • Bisharp
  • Bouffalant
  • Heatmor
  • Durant
  • Deino
  • Zweilous
  • Hydreigon
  • Larvesta
  • Volcarona
  • Cobalion
  • Terrakion
  • Virizion
  • Tornadus
  • Thundurus
  • Reshiram
  • Zekrom
  • Landorus
  • Kyurem
  • Meloetta
  • Genesect
  • Chespin
  • Quilladin
  • Chesnaught
  • Fennekin
  • Braixen
  • Delphox
  • Froakie
  • Frogadier
  • Greninja
  • Bunnelby
  • Diggersby
  • Scatterbug
  • Spewpa
  • Vivillon
  • Litleo
  • Pyroar
  • Flabébé
  • Floette
  • Floges
  • Skiddo
  • Gogoat
  • Furfrou
  • Espurr
  • Meowstic
  • Honedge
  • Doublade
  • Aegislash
  • Spritzee
  • Aromatisse
  • Swirlix
  • Slurpuff
  • Inkay
  • Malamar
  • Binacle
  • Babaracle
  • Skrelp
  • Dragalge
  • Clauncher
  • Clawitzer
  • Helioptile
  • Heliolisk
  • Tyrunt
  • Tyrantrum
  • Amaura
  • Aurorus
  • Hawlucha
  • Dedenne
  • Pumpkaboo
  • Gourgeist
  • Bergmite
  • Avalugg
  • Noibat
  • Noivern
  • Xerneas
  • Yveltal
  • Zygarde
  • Diance
  • Hoopa
  • Volcanion
  • Cosmog
  • Cosmoen
  • Solgaleo
  • Lunala
  • Necrozma
  • Magerna
  • Marshadow

**Additionally, mega stones will not be permitted in the 2016/2017 season.

What do you think about this meta? How many of your Pokémon will be illegible? Let us know in the comments!

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  • Pokemania88

    So yah if there was any doubt that Necrozoma was not the third legendary here you go….

  • belmad

    Lol, UBs are allowed.

    • WTP

      VGC is as much advertisement as anything else. Never forget it..

  • thegreatcarbinkle

    welp. Pheromosa is the new Deoxys

  • Pokemania88

    I must say thats not a lot to work with…. I would have liked some more pokemon tbh but I guess it is what it is..

    • thegreatcarbinkle

      i lowkey like the limitation. This changes the meta alot

      • Pokemania88

        That’s very true… OP pokemon aren’t up for grabs this time…

        • thegreatcarbinkle

          yep no more primal groudon or kyogre

          • Pokemania88

            True… But I’d still prefer a little more pokemon to work with. Some like Mamoswine, Scolipede, etc…

    • WTP

      Well it’s just the Alola Dex minus certain legends. Though the Kalos dex was a solid 100 Pokemon wider. Wonder why they cut it down.

      • Pokemania88

        I know… This is the 20th anniversary games, so I would think they would give us a grand amount of pokemon…

  • SomeGuy

    Terrain x Weather wars!!

  • TheFleetingDream

    Wooo pheromosa and xurkitree

  • Axel Malabanan

    lmao this is why I dont like VGC or Smogon formats. With all that sleep clause and swagger clause and now, the banned pokemon more than the allowed ones? yeah I’ll stick to casual online battles

    • If you think Sleep Clause is bad, you should probably go fight a spore abuser in Battle Spot.

      • Axel Malabanan

        I’ve only seen mega mewtwos and charizard in battlespot, I think I’ll be fine plus I have a Meganium with aromatherapy anyway.

        • Go on ranked battlespot (when it gets back online, BTW, since there’s no more ranked in gen 6) and you won’t see mewtwo, and more focused strategies, particularly as you score even higher.

          Eventually you will wish clauses (other than mythical/box legends clause) existed like in Stadium or Pokemon Battle Revolution. Heh heh heh.

    • Chaos

      Still so much better than seeing the same thing over and over again. With do any Pokemon now available, limited formats are the only way to make the game fun.

  • TheSunnyMonster6893

    Well that’s certainly a lot of Pokemon excluded from the VGC lol I guess people will have to rely on Pokemon that aren’t typically common. At least the Kami trio are out and the Weather trio are out too. People will have to start coming up with more interesting teams than relying on the same old same old. That’s a good thing I think. lol

    • MelloMori

      Yeah, the meta will be pretty interesting for the first, let’s be generous, four months. After that big six will be established and common knowledge and it will break down to big six and anti big six like it always does.

  • SpectralSeraph

    (Giggles evilly) no ferrothorn or Heatran? I like this new meta
    Also, Necrozma proof is real

  • Spetsnaz

    I feel like this just confirms necrozma as being a legendary and not an ultra beast

  • Nintendalek42

    Welp, I’ll be sticking to Smogon and similar stuff, thank you very much. I was worried for a moment but then I realised I never played VGC so why should I even care? I’m kind of sorry they’ve limited the availability pool so much though, it’s pretty shitty.

    • SomeGuy

      Why be sorry? It’s for one year. Makes things interesting. And it’s not like people can’t play VGC and Smogon if they want a different pool of Pokémon.

      • Nintendalek42

        Fair enough, but I’d be really frustrated if I couldn’t use a lot of my favourites from previous regions in official settings. I think heavily limited choice sets can be really fun, but should be limited to seasonal competitions as they have been in the past. As you say though it’s only a year, and frankly it’ll probably be more interesting than watching teams dominated by primals and megas rayquaza…

    • The dex limitation is basically Alola dex.

      Do you remember VGC ’14, which is Kalos dex? That was one of the best metagames ever, honestly. It’s the one with the Pachirisu world champion.

      • Nintendalek42

        Yeah, I’m not particularly surprised as they did this last gen, but the dex is smaller than last time, and it kinda clashes with the 20 year celebration shindig IMO. In any case it’ll be better than this year’s facepalm format choices.

        • VGC ’17 is part of the 21st, technically.

          VGC ’16, a.k.a. Primals meta, is the 20th celebration.

  • SpectralSeraph

    I messed up hold on

  • SpectralSeraph
    • Monkeyfuzz

      Can guys have long hair? Also un-related but do you know where the Move Re-learner is? Like how far in not exact location.

      • ShinyXatu

        I’d like to know this as well. Long hair for me!

        • Monkeyfuzz

          Pretty sure Pharap would really like to know too.

          • SpectralSeraph

            I can tell!!!
            The hair styles are
            There’s the starting hair, a more flat version of it, a braid one, a Ceaser cut and a modern quiff

          • Monkeyfuzz

            That’s somewhat disappointing :/

      • ImReallyShiny

        No theres no long hair only rlly short and shit ones – Imo the default hairstyle (On the guy) is the best one by far.

        • Monkeyfuzz

          They have loads of NPC males with long hair, sure it usually sticking up but c’mon (ノಠ益ಠ)ノ彡┻━┻

  • Monkeyfuzz

    I expect top teams will run Toxapex.

    • Spetsnaz

      Almost definitely

      • Monkeyfuzz

        Especially with the more limited options it will dominate. I also expect a lot of Tapu Lele or Bulu.

    • SpectralSeraph

      Pretty much

      • Monkeyfuzz

        Which also means a ton of Toxapex counters, anything that can’t be poisoned or enjoys regular poison (Guts users etc). It will be interesting to see what people come up with to shut it down. Taunt would be quite devastating for it I imagine.

        • SpectralSeraph

          Oh god XD
          Steel types will terrify it

          • Monkeyfuzz

            Probably be the UB’s and stuff like Magnezone.

          • SpectralSeraph

            Yep , pretty much

  • SpectralSeraph
    • Monkeyfuzz

      He’s Shaggy’s soul, after he was killed by the newly released from prison 10,000 Volt Ghost out for revenge.

      • SpectralSeraph

        XD why… why did this game feel the need to do this

        • Monkeyfuzz

          Backstory Easter egg, many players won’t understand how dark Rotomdex’s beginnings were.

          • SpectralSeraph

            Oh my god XD

          • Monkeyfuzz

            Those of us who know will forgive him if he starts getting really annoying. Those who don’t occasionally get annoyed by him are likely children who no longer know who he was in his former life.

    • ShinyXatu

      Is this an emulator or something?

      • SpectralSeraph

        Yep, using CITRA to play moon

  • SpectralSeraph
    • ShinyXatu

      If it’s possible to spoiler tag these images, it would be great if you could.

      • SpectralSeraph

        I forgot to spoiler tag these particular ones

        • Cool, looks properly hidden now.

          • SpectralSeraph

            Yep

      • SlightlyJollyHerbert

        I don’t believe you can spoiler tag images, it doesn’t do anything when you don’t use hide media iirc

        • Fortunately we can on disqus, and it works properly.

          Note that edited posts aren’t updated until the entire disqus (by selecting best/newest/oldest to toggle) or page is reloaded.

    • Spoopy-kun

      thanks for the spoilers

  • Spoopy-kun

    Anyone knows if there’s a rainy place in Alola to evolve Sliggoo? Considering using a Goodra.

    • Monkeyfuzz

      It’s evolution method has changed, it now evolves by the tears of Alolan Meowth after they realise what they have to evolve into.

      • Spoopy-kun

        bruh lmao

  • SlightlyJollyHerbert

    Can’t wait for Tail Glow Xurkitree oh boy

    Also if you guys didn’t know, Water Bubble (The ability on Araquanid) doubles the base power of water moves, as well as preventing burns.

    • Monkeyfuzz

      I thought it just halved Fire move power?

      • SlightlyJollyHerbert

        Nope, it apparently doubles water moves’ base power as well.

        Gives Liquidation 170 base power.

        • TheFleetingDream

          Sweet im thinking of doing a assult vest set

        • Monkeyfuzz

          Seems too OP, Entrainment this to Golisopod (first that came to mind) would be quite amazing.

    • SpectralSeraph

      WAIT WHAAAAAAT?!?!?!? ALONG WITH THE FIRE RESIST?!

      • SlightlyJollyHerbert

        Yep. Someone posted a video of SE Crunch and Liquidation doing the same amount of damage on a Drifblim.

        • SpectralSeraph

          …THATS FREAKING BUSTED

        • Crunch isn’t STAB on Araquanid, though.

          • SlightlyJollyHerbert

            Crunch is super effective

          • …and Water from Araquanid has Same-Type Attack Bonus.

          • SlightlyJollyHerbert

            Either way, Water Bubble still boosts the power of water moves.

          • Just not doubled. More like Adaptability’s bonus (makes STAB 2x instead of 1.5x) which is ~33% improvement.

          • SpectralSeraph

            Just watched the video and calced adaptability… it really is double…. like it even seems to do more than an adaptability boost, like adapt only makes it out DAMAGE crunch by a little… here though…

          • SlightlyJollyHerbert

            I mean, it still “doubles” the power of the water moves. As long as Araquanid’s type doesn’t change.

          • thatonebagel

            i understand that your post was a week ago, but this is more to clear it up for anyone else who hasn’t seen it yet, but according to Serebii, it doubles the moves power BEFORE STAB takes place.

          • SpectralSeraph

            Still… it was to a Drifblim , and via calcs, Crunch does more on a min roll than Liquidation would do on a max roll

          • SpectralSeraph

            So that’s the proof

          • SE is 2x, STAB is 1.5x; Crunch gets SE but no STAB (Bug/Water), Araquanid gets STAB on Liquidation.

            So it only means Water Bubble boosts Liquidation as if it had Adaptability, ~33% boost. Not doubled.

          • SpectralSeraph

            Still!! That’s insane!!! It has three Abilities in one!!

          • Well I’m still gonna agree it’s insane. 🙂

          • SpectralSeraph

            Apparently most sources say double… I haven’t seen the vid yet

            IM JUST SO HAPPY MY SPIDER BABY IS GOOD!!!! <3

          • They just forgot to compute same-type attack boost. 🙂

          • SpectralSeraph

            Some did
            If it’s actually double.. I will die of happiness

  • SpectralSeraph
    • Spoopy-kun

      I’m going to have so much fun with this lmao

      • SpectralSeraph

        XD I feel wrong

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    • “I don’t understand! Kindly explain what you mean.”

      …is the appropriate thing to say.

      • SpectralSeraph

        True

  • SlightlyJollyHerbert

    I’m thinking of doing a Water Mono at one point… Almost all the water types are really solid (sorry pyukumuku)

    • Spoopy-kun

      But Pyukumuku is a tank so it is solid 😉

      • SlightlyJollyHerbert

        Not with that health stat.

        • Spoopy-kun

          Shuckle hp stat is 20 bruh

          • SlightlyJollyHerbert

            Shuckle has 230 Defense and Special Defense. Pyukumuku has 100 less.

      • SpectralSeraph

        With that move set with its abillity? Nah, never

  • TheFleetingDream

    Really looking forward to the new competitive scene

  • SpectralSeraph

    I KNEW ARAQUANID WAS GOOD FROM THE START!! I GOT SO MUCH FLAK FOR IT BUT I WAS RIGHT!! 😀

    • Monkeyfuzz

      It gets Entrainment too, could be great in doubles.

      • SpectralSeraph

        I know :3
        I’m so glad it’s good!

    • Review Reviewer

      I feel like catching and using it but I have arachnophobia….

      • SpectralSeraph

        🙁 but he’s so worth

  • SpectralSeraph

    Anyone know whether Dewpider is found in the grass or in the water?

    • Monkeyfuzz

      Water I think, the team builder suggests to me it’s the same as Mareanie.

      • SpectralSeraph

        Hmmmm

  • SpectralSeraph
    • Alola confirmed for Kalos 2.0 in terms of innuendo.

      • SpectralSeraph

        Yeah XD

    • Shady

      This is Prof.Kukui right?

      • Possible?

        I mean maybe the game gives (text/dialog) clues that it could be Kukui, but it’s very hard to tell from one screenshot.

        • SpectralSeraph

          Whoops

      • SpectralSeraph

        It’s Kukui, the game expects it to be obvious (given that when you meet him there’s an option to say “professor?”

        • Shady

          I didn’t watch the dialog I just judge this pic.

          • SpectralSeraph

            Sorry if that came off rude, I mean it’s obvious when you play the game

          • Shady

            I didn’t play the game….Actually I didn’t have 3ds yet.

    • alyssa dunn

      whell kukui whent to the school of lucha lebre.

  • SpectralSeraph

    I’m literally dying… my phone literally registers John Cena and Gladion as the same person…

  • Chaos

    This is gonna be a good VGC.

    No Aegislash, Landorus, Amoongus, Heatran…and a bunch more.

    But those UBs though…

    • No CHALK. No Primals. No Ubers. No Mega Mawile. No Mega Mence. No Mega Kanga (still a beast at 1.25x.) Thunder Wave and Paralysis nerfed. Talonflame nerfed to hell…

      Those UBs yeah. Also we may need to wear sunglasses watching/playing VGC because of all the terrains!

      • Chaos

        I wish the Dex was at at least 400-450, 300 seems way too less. But it should work.
        No Ludocolo and Kingdra for rain abuse either.
        Yeh, I imagine most strategies will revolve around the Tapus and their terrains.

        • We’ll see. Kalos Dex was diverse enough, almost any Pokemon can do well.

          I think hail, or at least Alolan Ninetales, will have a presence here.

          Hail+Aurora Veil+Tapu Lele to protect A. Nintetales from Bullet Punch might be happening.

          Rain Teams might be a thing though! Politoed is available, Araquanid and Toxapex and Scizor might appear. Tapu Fini to cancel Psychic Terrain so Scizor can Bullet Punch people left and right. Lanturn for Thunder.

          • SomeGuy

            I’m betting that Drizzle Pelipper with access to U-Turn, Hurricane, and Roost are more popular than Politoed.

          • Possible… but Politoed doesn’t have a 4x weakness. And this is the gen where staying on the ground might be a positive this time.

            Still, Pelipper might be a not half bad option to consider for a non-terrain rain team and if not using Mantine. Or even both on a team since there’s a chance rain needs to be reset. (Opponent switches in Ninetales to remove rain, but Pelipper U-Turns to Politoed who puts the rain back.)

    • SpectralSeraph

      NO FERROTHOOOORRRRN 😀

  • I’m wondering, when it says things like “Rattata” does it mean both kinds?
    As in Alolan forms and Regular Forms?

    • Dazzling Requiem

      You can’t obtain Regular Rattata in the game at all, and iirc it needs to come from a copy of Sun and Moon so most likely you won’t be able to use Regulars

      • Ok but, consider when Bank is useable. If you transfer a Rattata and then Breed it, the egg will Hatch in Alola. Will THAT be Legal?

        Obviously regular Raichu, Exeggutor and Marowak will be unobtainable.

      • Well as you’ve shown in the above method, regular (“Kanto”) formes can be bred in Alola now. I now wonder about the legality of that, because I can see competitive uses for non-Alolan Raichu.

        • Dazzling Requiem

          Well yeah but the response was made before we knew that was a thing

          And its still possible to ban Non Alolans, but I doubt it

          • I doubt they will make a complex ban like that, so I expect to see non-Alolans if they might perform better in teams (e.g. Drought Ninetales, post-bank)

  • Dazzling Requiem

    Breeding a Non-Alolan with an Everstone will result in a Non-Alolan

    https://twitter.com/KazoWAR/status/798036010764353536

    Guess it stops both kinds of evolution, Darwinian and Pokémon.

    • TCRowlet

      I was just about to make a comment about this. Very happy about this! Now if only there is a way to obtain normal Raichu, Exeggutor, and Marowak.

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  • agomon26

    I’m not a competitive player so… meh

  • The Last Kurusu

    What?… What!… No no no no no

    UB’s
    Tapu’s
    Should not be allowed

    Yet then again Yes, No M-Kangaskahn and such

    • MelloMori

      Why not. Most legendary pokemon are legal since their stats aren’t brokenly high. It was kind of assumed they would be legal once we knew their stats.

      • The Last Kurusu

        You actually are right IMO now I love this format

    • SpectralSeraph

      Actually, this gen is pretty balanced TBH.
      The only real “quickban worthy” mons are Kartana and Pheramosa

      The rest are either fair or already banned

      • MelloMori

        Honestly I would probably knock Pheramosa off the ban worthy list as well given his terrible defensive stats. It might be strong and fast, but it seems all but guaranteed to be OHKO’ed by nearly anything in competitive play, and honestly given this generation’s favoring bulk over speed, it might honestly struggle in VGC.

        • SpectralSeraph

          I only listed Phero cause… well.., why does the damn thing get Quicer Dance

      • SpectralSeraph

        I’m also guessing Baton Pass Xurkitree will be banned too (or at least I REALLY hope so)

      • SomeGuy

        Karatana is a rough type match up for my tentative team. It single handedly is causing me to consider running Nature’s Madness / Tapu-Z on my Tapu Koko. Well that and Metagross.

      • SomeGuy

        Actually after taking another peak at Kartana’s SpDef… lol Yea that won’t be a problem.

  • Review Reviewer

    What?! Azumaril and Diancie aren’t allowed?! How dare you GF! I wish you to lose your freedom of speech as a result, you cant’ be kidding! What censoring hogs.

    • SpectralSeraph

      I’m actually really glad Diancie isn’t… considering it’s recent buffs mega diancie would… well… be absolutely terrifying

      • Review Reviewer

        Wait is this for the tournament r for the actual games? Please tell me it’s for a tournament because if it’s for the actual Sun/Moon I’m going to die.

        • Chaos

          Why would it be for SuMo. These are 2017 VGC rules

          You won’t be able to get Diancie in SuMo until Bank is available anyway

          • Review Reviewer

            Oh, ok. I thought this was for the actual game but then I realized “wait a second, the mascot legendaries are BANNED?!”

    • EarthenWarrior

      Good fucking riddance
      This is supposed to be a new region

      Not just use old stuff because it works region for wusses

    • Dazzling Requiem

      The thing is though

      A) It actually allows the Pokémon in the game to shine (Alola Dex, Alola Forms and Alolan Pokémon)

      B) I’d argue Diancie and Azumarill are more censoring than GameFreak ever are

      • Review Reviewer

        Oh never mind I thought it was for the actual game, not the VGC tournament.

    • SomeGuy

      Mythicals have never been legal in VGC anyway? So Diancie was never in the cards. And when Azumaril wasn’t in the Alolan Dex that was sorta the nail in that coffin.

      • Review Reviewer

        What about the National Dex?

        • SomeGuy

          What about it?

          • Review Reviewer

            So if we bring in Pokemon thats not included in th Alola dex…..what happens?

          • SomeGuy

            Nothing? GF, as they always do at the start of new generations, is making the regional dex the format for VGC. It effects no one other than people who want to play VGC. You can transfer over Diancie and Azumaril to SuMo when Bank opens. That has nothing to do with VGC.

        • Superqami

          National Dex doesn’t exist in this game, I know, weird.

          • Review Reviewer

            Uh oh…

  • Dazzling Requiem

    Does anyone know when you get an Adrenaline Orb in the game?

    • Armaggedon16

      First Island.
      Not sure when you can buy it, but I got it as an item in the overworld

      • Armaggedon16

        Fun Fact.

        Adrenaline Orb raises the speed of a pokemon if it’s intimadated.

        • Dazzling Requiem

          I do like how it’s two functions in one rather than cluttering the bag with more items

          EDIT: Also, thanks!

    • SpectralSeraph

      I saw one on the second island route 4

  • Armaggedon16
    • The Last Kurusu

      Umm those Diglett and Dugtrio’s pictures looked fake to me

  • Mage of Pisces

    I have a few questions about Trainer Customization for those who got the *ahem* “early access” game.

    Is it possible for a male trainer to be shirtless? I personally prefer being shirtless myself, and when I saw the male trainer battling the Trial Wishiwashi school form in one of the trailers, I noticed he was shirtless but had the pokeride vest on for surfing and I couldn’t help but be hopeful. I was also wondering, are sandals or flip flops possible? And, finally, can I cosplay as Team Skull?

  • Anyone going to the VGC in London 9th-11th December?

  • Fuzzlekins

    UBs and Tapus are gonna dominate the meta I’m guessing. People might build their teams around Terrains sort of like Trick Room or Weather teams.

  • Jon Idoncair

    aww they let the UBs be in the tournaments……damn lol

    their base stats are pretty high

    • YungDanklord

      Their BSTs aren’t that high but the distributions on some of them are insane.

  • DarkMugetsu

    So what about Island Scan pokemon? They are caught legally in Alola…